1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: And we understand that although we may disagree politically or 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: about something about religion or something about a social issue, um, 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: we can still respect each other and still love each other. 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: He knew what it was, and he knew how it felt, 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and he sat there with me for a long time. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: We shed tears, and he sat there and encouraged me. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: A lot of times guys say they don't want to 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: go out like that, you know, having an injury, And 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: I do feel that, But more importantly, I feel like 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: I have unfinished business. Welcome into the lounge. This week's lounge. 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Really it was just me and Benjamin Watson, but we'll 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: let you in for now. To take the beginning of it, 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm stopping into the lounge for a happy hour and 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: then I'm getting out before dinner starts. I like the 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: happy hour deal. Yeah, I can't argue with that. Yeah. Uh. 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: Ryan is talking with Benjamin Watson in this week's episode. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: When this interview was done, I was out of town. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, you know, holding up your end 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: of the bark. It's rare, it's rare that that happens. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: But you did your top. We seriously just got into 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: a debate over lunch about how we have to pick 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: up each other's slack when we're missing this. I I 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: forgot about this one because it was like a crazy day. 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: I think it was the Pit of injury. It was 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: a nutty day. I'm running all over the place. Then 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: Benjamin Watson comes up to my cue and it's like, hey, 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: you're ready to take that podcast? Like you got to 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: be kidding me. It was well, like I said, I'm 29 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: glad that you I'm glad that you held up your 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: end of the deal, and uh, you got it done. 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, and actually it was kind of nice that 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: you weren't there because as listeners will will hear, this 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: got pretty political. No it didn't. I listened to it 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: really doesn't get that gets pretty political. You like to 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: try to talk up like this big game that you're 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: like coming in with the high hardcore cards. You're coming 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: in with these tough questions and you're really getting down 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: in the mud and you're really challenging him. Well overstated. 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: It's a good interview mostly because of bed but it's 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: a good interview, but you're overstated, and it got deep, 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: which you like to stay service level. I I get personal, 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: I get you know, it was deep. Yeah, it was 43 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: prettyep Yeah it was Anyway, we're really teasing the hell 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: out of you. But before we get to that, first 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: we have we talked last on last week's episode about 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: not having good enough fan emails to really read one. 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: We got a great one, Wet. We had some really 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: good ones that people set it up this week. That's right. 49 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: So this one comes from Lauren Baker, who's from the 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: Eastern Shore and he's now living in l A. So 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: thank you very much, Lauren. His question, well, why don't 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: we just go ahead and play a take Hey guys, 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: two part question here? Um One, I feel like an 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: addition that wet all Uh Jimmy's Seafood or crab Cakes 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: does a lot of great recruiting offering crab Cakes for Life, 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: And I'd just like to know if you've been able 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: to talk to the players to see if they actually 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: take advantage of the freak crab Kicks for Life offer. 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Pretty sure Mink would do so. Um maybe on a 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: weekly basis or daily basis. I do so at least 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: twice a week, so uh, no shame there, but I'd 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: like to hear a little bit more about that. Also. 63 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Second question is that. I'm a big Ryan Mallett fan, 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: have been since um he was drafted. I think the 65 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: guy got the raw deal um down in Houston with 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: an unneeded quarterback controversy, and it seems like he really 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: found a home in Baltimore, you know, filling in when 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Flacco was down, when we couldn't find a good QB 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: to start, and beating the Steelers, actually looking better than 70 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Flacco typically does in that game, much faster with reads 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: and everything else. And you know, then you know, the 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: Bengals game was okay, we lost, which sucked, but you know, 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: he made a couple of nice comeback drives and stuff 74 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: like that. So I feel like, compared to a lot 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: of the other quarterbacks in the league, that Mallett could 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: start for most teams. And I just want to get 77 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: an idea of what you think the long term plan 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: is there. Like he's basically Flacco part two except for 79 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: incredibly more outgoing and has a really big mouth and 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: everything else. But um, do you think he is someone 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: that the Ravens gonna keep around for a long time, 82 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: possibly trade, etcetera, etcetera. So thanks all right, So thank 83 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: you very much once again Lauren for submitting the question, 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: and you're absolutely right. I would be hitting up the 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: crab cakes for life on at least weekly. Right. It 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: doesn't apply to your family because I'd have my wife 87 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: in there, I'd be a kid, friends, family, extended family. All. Yeah. Well, 88 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: the CEO of Jimmy Ceafood, John Mennadakis, I hope I'm 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: saying his name right, but he uh. He did an 90 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: interview with um Glen Clark from press Box and he 91 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: talked about how no matter what, you know, if if 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Jremy McKim would come in there and say I want 93 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: to hunt a crab cakes, then you get that order. 94 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he said it's his word, is you know 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: is his word? And he said, you're you have free 96 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: crab cakes for life. So however many crab cakes that includes, 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: that's what he gets. It sounds like Jeremy macklin is 98 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: gonna make the most of it. I don't. I don't 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be in there every week, but I 100 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: think he's gonna go in there a couple of times, 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: a few times and eat a lot of crab cakes. 102 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: Well here's the thing. So if you're a rich guy already, 103 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: then then the free doesn't now some rich guys, they 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: still like the free because everybody loves actually true, we 105 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: work with players all the time, they still love freesty. Yeah, 106 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: everybody loves free. Everybody loves free. I mean that. I 107 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: don't think you ever lose that. But I wonder if 108 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: there's any the fact that you are already a wealthy 109 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: guy that you can afford to spring for the crab 110 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: cake wherever you go. I don't know if that's an incentive, 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: like for those guys, like it would be for us. 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: I would never have dinner at home again if I 113 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: had the free crab cakes coming my way. Have you 114 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: ever done a food eating contest? Uh? You know, when 115 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid, there's a place that we used 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: to go to, like when I was in high school 117 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: that would do unlimited wings, and so we would go 118 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: there and see who could eat the most wings. I think, 119 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think one time I got in the forties, 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: which is a good amount of wings. One time I 121 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: used to work at the Washington Post and there's this 122 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: guy there who was just an absolute animal slash filthy 123 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: creature John Goldberg Shout out to Goldie if you're listening, Uh, 124 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: And one day I was just like talking with some coworkers. 125 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder how many McNuggets I could 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: eat it? You know, I wonder if I could get 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: a hundred you know. So of course, as soon as 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: you say the words I wonder if I could eat 129 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: a hundred McNuggets, everybody in the office is like, oh, 130 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: make things, you can eat a hundred nus. What's your money? This? 131 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Come on, let's go, let's do this. So of course 132 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: get here to pressure. I always came to peer pressure. Uh. 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: And the one night in McDonald's took down me versus Goldberg, 134 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: I ate sixty nine nuggets and didn't show up to 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: work for three days. Now you act, and somebody's long 136 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: on the way, did you keep down all those nuggs? 137 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: I kept down? I did. Wow, after fifty it gets rough. 138 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Yeah, anyway, like you said, like 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: you said, you're a really deep person. So a lot 140 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: of depths going on there. This conversation to answer Laurence question, 141 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: I Jerry Magden is the only Raven, by the way 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: that has the free uh crowd cakes for life offer. UM, 143 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: So we don't really know if other players take advantage. 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I do think that Jerry will and answer Lauren's second 145 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: part of his question, he's big Ryan Mallett guy wonders 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: what his feature is here. I don't know. I think 147 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: you're stretching a little bit, Lauren to say he's Flacco 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: part two. I think that's a stretch on Ryan mout 149 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: I like met Ryan too, and he definitely proved himself 150 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: against the Steelers. But you know, he had a rough 151 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: off season last year. There's no two ways of putting it. 152 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was tough. He bounced back in the preseason, 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: played pretty well and beat out Josh Johnson. What was 154 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: a legitimate quarterback competition, I think for the number two 155 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: spot now. I think you can kind of tell where 156 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: mount Stock is league wide in that this year, it's 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: not like people were banging down the door for trade 158 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: offers or to sign him in free agency. He was 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: a free agent, but the Ravens brought back. Um So, 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't think he's really in the future long term plans. 161 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't really think that a team is probably gonna 162 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: want to trade for him, especially because he likely won't 163 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: see any action this year. Um So, I think he's 164 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: probably more of a short, short term option. Maybe they 165 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: could resign him again. Um, if he plays well in 166 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: the preseason and whatever, is a good teammate and all 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: that stuff during the season, But I don't think he's 168 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: a long term kind of guy. He'll eventually draft somebody 169 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: that I think, uh, well, they can keep remaining for cheaper. 170 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Flacco's eventual replacement isn't on the roster right now. You know, 171 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like you're grooming somebody to 172 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: take over for him. Joe still has five years left 173 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: on his contracts. He is Joe is the short term 174 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: and long term answer. You don't think really beyond five 175 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: years in the NFL. Um And so that's where it 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: stands right now at quarterback. It's gonna be number five 177 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: for a long time coming. Yeah. So with that, let's 178 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: jump right into our interview or my interview with Benjamin Watson. 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: We've been wanting to get you on the pod for 180 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: a while because you're one of the most interesting guys 181 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: on the team from a lot of different perspectives. Uh 182 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: So I want to start out first. You're you're doing 183 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: the rounds right now with your book, and they were 184 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: about a month since it first hit shelves, The New 185 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: Dad's Playbook and obviously, the first question is why did 186 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: you want to write a book about being a dad, Well, 187 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: because I am a dad, a dad of five. Actually, uh, 188 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: we have five children, three girls, two boys. The oldest 189 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: is eight, youngest is one. We waited three years before 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: we decided to have kids and then we went like 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: straight two minute drill and just popped out. Well, my 192 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: wife popped out for four kids and four and a 193 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: half years, and then we waited and had another one. Um, 194 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: but about after the second kid or so, she said, Benji, 195 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: you should write a handbook for dad's uh, talking about fatherhood, 196 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: talking about really really talking about conception up into the birth, 197 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: up until you know, the few months after the baby 198 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: gets home and you have your new family, and just 199 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: things to expect, because guys were best when we have 200 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: information that empowers us. So there's a lot of medical 201 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: terms in there, talking about you know, um, the birth 202 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and what to expect when you go to the OBI appointment, 203 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: and how do you by maternity clothes and and uh, 204 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: and what to expect when you hear the heartbeat and 205 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like a little radio in there, and you know, 206 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: you see the ultrasound, all the all the terms that 207 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: you hear when it comes to the trimesters and everything 208 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: through pregnancy. UM. But then there's also the challenge UM 209 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: a fatherhood. That's encouraging guys that they have what it 210 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: takes to be UM, the men, the husband's, the fathers 211 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: that they're called to be UM. So so one of 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the reasons, the primary reason for writing the book is 213 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: to encourage men because we live in a world where, 214 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: really in a country where you know, thirt or three 215 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: percent of our our kids are growing up without a 216 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: father in their home. And while mothers do an amazing 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: job playing both roles, sometimes there needs to be a 218 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: father there if at all possible, and so many things 219 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: are linked to a father being absent UM that it's 220 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: imperative that men, young and older men, maybe if you 221 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: had a child and you weren't there for that, when 222 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: you want to be here for the second on, whatever 223 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: it may be, whether your first, second, third kid, UM, 224 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the encouragement there is to be present, not just by 225 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: sending your money or by paying for certain things, but 226 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: by having your body, your person present there and engaging 227 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: with your children because UM, the next generation depends on 228 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: it so much. Right, Yeah, I think as a society 229 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: we're talking so much about how do we help people 230 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: who are in need, you know, lower income people, people 231 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: in poverty and whatnot. And it's just not not just 232 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: those people who don't have fathers. It's everybody. But I 233 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: think everybody on both sides of the aisle can agree. 234 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: The more good fathers that we have in this world 235 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: to go along with great mothers, the better off that 236 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna. Be very true, very true. And you talk 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: to guys, you know, being in the locker room for 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the last thirteen years, um, you know, I'm around countless 239 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: young men, myself included, and so we have these conversations. 240 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: A lot of times people think all we talked about 241 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: is football, and that's true, but we talked about a 242 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: lot of other stuff too. And as I remember in 243 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the Younger Player, in my first, second, third year, we 244 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: didn't have kids. My fourth year, we didn't have children. 245 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: And asking guys who had kids what it was like 246 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: being a parent. I mean, I had parents, I'm the 247 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: oldest of six, but it's another it's a whole another 248 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: animal when you are responsible for somebody's life, you know 249 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so I remember all those questions 250 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: and so part of the book, The New Dat's Playbook 251 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: is answering a lot of those questions. Um, everything from 252 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, how to sex and intimacy changed. You guess 253 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: guess what chapter I opened to first. And the funny 254 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: thing is with that chapter specifically, I'm sitting on the 255 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: bed with my wife Kursten and and she I'm like, hey, 256 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, what are the what do I need to 257 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: put in this book? You know, you need to put 258 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: something in there about how sex changes during different parts 259 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: of the other pregnancy, when to ask, when not to ask, 260 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: how to serve, how not to serve right now exactly so. 261 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: But those are like real questions that we talked about 262 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: men and and and then I want guys to be 263 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: able to to parent and to to serve their the 264 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: mother of their children, um, the way they need to 265 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: be supported throughout this whole process. Yeah, I gotta ask you. 266 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: So I have a fourteen month at him, fourteen month old, 267 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: a little boy Brooks, and uh, I gotta ask you 268 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: because everybody always asked me this question. Did you watch 269 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: during the were you down there? Did you see the 270 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: whole thing happen? Did you I did? I tell people 271 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: you gotta see it? I did? I think it's a miracle. 272 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. I did too, But that's one 273 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: of the questions guys have. You know, it's kind of funny, 274 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: but you know, people want to know should I watched? 275 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Should I not watched. I remember my wife was pregnant 276 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: with our first and I remember being at practice in 277 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: New England. Um it being late in the year. My 278 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: daughter was born in January, so it was late in 279 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: the year, and I remember asking one of our one 280 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: of my teammates, he was running back, he had three kids, 281 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, Sammy, uh, you know, did you watch? 282 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: And He's like, no, I didn't watch. He's like, man, 283 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: I if I watched, it would be totally different. I'd 284 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: be ruined. I can never look at Mark the same way. 285 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: So I didn't watch for any of them. Then I 286 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: asked another one of my team Mason's like, yeah, of 287 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: course I watched, you know, just like you said it was. 288 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's a miracle. I gotta watch my kids 289 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: coming to the world, that sort of thing. So I 290 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: did watch for all five of them, and actually I 291 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: got more involved the further along it got with more kids. 292 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: So so the first two I simply watched the first 293 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: three I simply watched. By the time we got to 294 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: them before I was the one assisting the baby into 295 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: the world out of the birth canal, I was more 296 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: and more involved, you know. So, Uh, it's definitely I 297 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: definitely wanted to see my children coming to the world right. 298 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Another funny story from the book that I'll share before 299 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: you move on is I thought you were talking about 300 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: like a birth and gift. What's it called. It's a 301 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: push push push president, push president. And you had a 302 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: funny story in the book about the push president that 303 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: you gave Kirson. Uh, that got you a little bit 304 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: of a It got you a letter in the mail 305 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: from the NFL. You gotta tell Yeah, well, not exactly 306 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: push president, but definitely like a like a uh shoutout, 307 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: shout out, push shout out. So so it was two 308 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: thousand nine. We were on the road, uh and kind 309 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: of kind of one of those trips were um, you know, 310 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: being a East Coast team in New England and we 311 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: were playing I believe Seattle in Oakland. So we stayed 312 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: out there for two weeks while Kirsten's no months pregnant 313 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: with our first child. I scored a touchdown in Seattle, 314 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: and I knew she's watching. I look at the camera, 315 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: put the ball under my shirt like I was pregnant, 316 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: and just rubbed it and pointed at the camera, UM smiling. 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: Everything was fun, you know. The referee, of course, there 318 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: was a flag out because I'm using the ball as 319 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: a prop um. And you know in the NFL, if 320 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: you ever get a fed X envelope on a Wednesday, um, 321 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: it's not from it's not anything positive. So I got 322 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: fine ten thousand dollars by the National Football League. Um, 323 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: they rescinded half of it, so it ended up being 324 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: five grand. But uh, it still was an expensive shout out. 325 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: It was worth it. But I never did it again 326 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: with any of the other kids. But but the push 327 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: president is important though it's kind of this cult thing 328 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: that's going on. Don't have to do it. Uh, it 329 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: could be anything, you know. I just gotten pushed like 330 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: breakfast every morning since we had the baby. I make 331 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: I think every single morning. It's just kind of the 332 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: acknowledgment that hey, you know, you did something really amazing. 333 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I want to earn you for yeah, really difficulty and 334 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: so this isn't your first time as an author. You 335 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: also wrote under our Skin, which really tackled race in 336 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: our country, and you wrote it, it was released, and 337 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: you wrote it right after Ferguson and all that stuff. Yeah, 338 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: it was released. So Ferguson happened in two thousand fourteen 339 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: and the book came out in two right. So I mean, 340 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: what can you say about I know it's a broad question, 341 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: but about how kind of races has become a huge 342 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: topic in our country and a very uh, you know, 343 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: difficult topic to address from both sides of the aisle. 344 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: Kind of where have you seen things changed? Uh? Well, 345 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: race is at the core of of who we are 346 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: as a country. Yeah, when you look at our history 347 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: ten years back to when years back, to hundred years back, whatever, 348 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: maybe that's always kind of been a common thread, um, 349 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: how we deal with different people groups, um. And so 350 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: it's something that has never gone away. Um. It's changed 351 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: obviously for the better, I believe, UM in a lot 352 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: of areas. But it's something that keeps on coming up. 353 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: And it's something, like you said before, it's very, very 354 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: difficult to talk about because now we're in a time where, um, 355 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're scared to say certain things. We don't 356 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: want to be labeled even if our questions are genuine. 357 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't want to be labeled to bigger our races, 358 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: and so many of us, instead of engaging with each other, 359 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: we stick to our corners. And especially when a certain 360 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: racially motivated event happens, like a ferguson UM, you really 361 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: see how polarizing it can be and how we get 362 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: in our corners and we really don't discuss anything because 363 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: we have a certain group thing that we have to 364 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: identify with, we feel compelled to identify with UM. And 365 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: so my whole point with UM, even with under our skin, 366 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: and even in writing that Facebook post that people read 367 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: and kind of led to the book, is about being 368 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: honest about it, you know, saying you know, I'm angry 369 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: that this stuff is happening, UM, but also I can 370 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: try to see another side of it. I also know 371 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: that I don't know all the facts all the time, UM, 372 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: and I want to be someone who is my allegiance 373 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: to be the truth and not necessarily to my upbringing 374 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: or the color of my skin, you know, because of 375 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: the color of our skin, or really it's one color, 376 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: the shade of our skin, the shade of brown, the 377 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: all of our skin is UM. We feel like we 378 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: have to think of certain ways sometimes even if it's wrong. 379 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: And so the whole point of under our skin is 380 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: to say, you know, we have an issue with this, 381 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about it, let's be real about it, let's 382 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: lay it bare, let's address it from all sides, and 383 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: let's have an allegiance to truth and not just Um, well, 384 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: we think it's popular for us to say because of 385 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: our backgrounds. Yeah, I think that's what's really interesting about you. 386 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: It's always struck me. Is interesting is you're a black man, 387 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: and but you, uh, sometimes I feel like have political 388 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: viewpoints that aren't jen really associated with the black man 389 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: your age. Yeah, you know what I mean, like you, 390 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: and I would imagine that that leads to some very 391 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: interesting conversations in the locker room. It does sometimes, but 392 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: now it's not even But but see, the thing is like, 393 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: even in the locker room, it does need some engine 394 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: interesting conversations. Um. But because we have relationships in the 395 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: locker room, we know each other. Um. We know that 396 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: most of the time we're not being malicious and we 397 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: understand that although we may disagree politically or about something 398 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: about religion or something about a social issue. Um, we 399 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: can still respect each other and still love each other. 400 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: And that's what's missing, especially in the social media culture 401 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: and and in our culture in general, is that a 402 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: lot of times we don't have a relationship with anybody 403 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: that's different from us, um economically or um with our ethnicity. 404 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: And so it makes it hard to have these types 405 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: of conversations and still have respect for the person and 406 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: still love the person because we just see them as 407 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: somebody's totally different with nothing in common, um, and it 408 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: doesn't care about us, and it's out to get us. Now, 409 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: sometimes that's true, sometimes that's very true, but a lot 410 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: of times it's not. But until we have an intentional 411 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: relationship with somebody that's different us. And and I say 412 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: intentional because um, it's you have to be intentional about 413 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: reaching out and having a conversation and forging a relationship 414 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: with someone that you probably wouldn't normally for having. But 415 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: that's why I love the locker room is because you've 416 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: got guys in there from Podunk, Idaho to inner city wherever, um, 417 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Guys who were raised on the farm, Guys who you know, 418 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: go hunting all the time, guys who've never picked up 419 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: a gun. I mean it's you got it runs a gamut. 420 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: And and you still even in that city, even in 421 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: that that uh, that bubble, you have to still be 422 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: intentional because you can still go about your day and 423 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: never really talked about anything important. But I think it 424 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: lends itself. Um, if you're willing to having those conversations, 425 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean some of the best conversations ever been in 426 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: locker rooms and then be like, no, I don't agree 427 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: with that. No, you're crazy. Are you seriously that that's racist? 428 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: That's not racist? How could you say that? But then 429 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: but then we forgive each other and we say, okay, well, 430 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, we disagree to just disagree on that. So 431 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: who who have you had the best conversations with political conversations? Well, 432 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: I've had a lot. I've had really, Um, well he's 433 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: not here anymore, but before set and we agree on 434 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Some things we don't agree on, 435 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: but we have a relationship there where well we can 436 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: talk about certain things. Um. I had another teammate um 437 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: in New Orleans, a guy named Zack Streeve, and we 438 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: have conversations with him about about race. He's big white guy, 439 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: officsive tackle. Um, you know, but but we would talk. 440 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he I don't think he did. 441 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he was a hunter. 442 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't think he was a hunter. But he was 443 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: very um willing to engage in these types of conversations. 444 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: And and the thing is is, especially with Ferguson, and 445 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: I actually write about him in my book because um, 446 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: he as he has a niece who whose father is black, 447 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: and so a lot of things that he didn't see 448 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: before when he when she was born, it all sudden 449 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: became real to him. And so we would talk about 450 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: these things and he was, yeah, I just didn't think 451 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: about it until it actually touched me personally. Um. And 452 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, so that's the that's the hope, is that 453 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: you have empathy for people that are different, even if 454 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: you don't understand, you know exactly what they're going through. 455 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: And speaking of that, you just got back not too 456 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: long ago from a trip to Lebanon, where I'm sure 457 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: you're empathy for the whole refugee situation just probably went 458 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: through the roof seeing it firsthand. Can you just talk about, uh, 459 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, your work over there and how it changed you. Yeah, it, Um, 460 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: so it came out of the blue from a pastor 461 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: from a church we've been going to here in Columbia, 462 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: Maryland asked me to go to Lebanon, and I'm thinking, 463 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: go where I am in rehab. I don't have time 464 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: to go Lebanon. UM. But it was a short trip 465 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to miss a Sunday. So really, 466 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: really we were there for five days, I mean including travel, 467 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: so it really was awesome for me with the kids, 468 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and my wife was saying, you know you need to go. 469 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that you know, this is an 470 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: opportunity that you may not get. So basically we met 471 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: up with World Vision, which is a large humanitarian organization 472 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: and UH. For the three days we were there, we 473 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: spent time in the Boca Valley, which is I hope 474 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: a pronouncing that right, which is right on the board 475 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: of of of Syria, which is where a lot of 476 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: UM these refugee camps but they call them informal tenants 477 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: settlements are on a lot of the agricultural land there, 478 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: and so we spent time in some of the camps, 479 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: had a chance to sit down in a in a 480 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: tent with a Syrian family UM and hear their story 481 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: through an interpreter. You know, everybody speaks Arabic. Uh, so 482 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: we everything was to an interpreter, but just talking about 483 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they were in their home and their 484 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: home was blown up and they just ran out with 485 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: basically the clothes that they had on. Um, husband and wife, 486 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: they had kids, one of them, one of the guys 487 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: have been shot. Um. And they traveled over the mountains 488 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: into Lebanon. They've been there for about five years now, 489 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: and so this christ has been going on for for 490 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I want to say, about six years or so. And 491 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: so we spent time doing that, seeing what World Vision 492 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: did as far as providing clean water in these camps, latrines, 493 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, toilets um, different sanitation, providing food for them um. 494 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: And and really the the thing that struck me the 495 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: most was sitting in that in that tent on the floor, 496 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: as it's a tradition, uh, talking to this family and 497 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: hearing them say, you know, when we go to bed 498 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: at night, we just dream that we wake up and 499 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: we're back home in Syria. And a lot of what 500 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: we these people don't want to be living like this. 501 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: They don't write, not at all, and and looking, you know, 502 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: taking it back to fatherhood. You know, looking at these 503 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: men in their eye, the fact that they are having 504 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: a hard time providing for their kids, but they want 505 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: to provide for the kids the same way that I do, 506 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: and being able to just encourage them and say, you 507 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: know what, I respect, um, what you're trying to do 508 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: for your children, trying to provide a life for your children. 509 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: The children have a hard time going to school, World 510 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: Vision provides some sort of childhood education for them that 511 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, we saw a lot of the way that 512 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: they developed the infrastructure of the host country as well 513 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: as um for the refugees there. Um. But that was 514 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: what really struck me was that you know, these people 515 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: are from another country there, from Syria. We're from the 516 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: United States. Um. We were Christians, Um, they were Muslims, um. 517 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Totally different traditions. But as men, as fathers looking across 518 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, the floor to each other and able to say, 519 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, I as a as a dad, you know, 520 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: I'm I feel your struggle. You know, I don't know 521 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: what it is, but I feel your struggle, and we 522 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: will be praying for you and advocating for you as 523 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: much as we can. And so it really was an 524 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: encouraging trip. I had a chance to stay in Beyroute 525 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: for a little bit and meet with the pastor there 526 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: who UM does a lot of working and what's one 527 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: of the largest neighborhoods in the Middle East, and talked 528 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: about how he hears stretch from Isis on his phone 529 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: and and people in this community are threatened by them. 530 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: But UM, just to see the exigency even of the refugees, 531 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: the hope that they have UM and also the way 532 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: that the Lebanese were serving these the Syrian citizens who 533 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: not too long ago Syria was occupying Lebanon, So you 534 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: have that dynamic of and have definitely some hostilities exactly. 535 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: And they were talking about how it was hard for 536 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: them to do that, but they wanted to help people. 537 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: And so I mean, you know, Lebanon is I think 538 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: five and a half million people something like that, you know, 539 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of people, but there's over a 540 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: million and a half refugees. So kind of be like, 541 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: if like a hundred million people just showed up in 542 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: the United States over the course of the next five years, 543 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: how would we deal with that. UM. So it just 544 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: realized that we would deal with it the way that 545 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: the Lebanese are. Yeah, but and it's as complex. You know. 546 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: I walked away feeling like, man, I wish this whole 547 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Syrian thing. I could just wish it away, Um, this crisis. 548 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: But it's very very complex, and it affects a lot 549 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: of other surrounding countries, not only surrounding countries, but countries 550 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: around the world. Well, I think all you're off field 551 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: stuff is really awesome. I really do. Uh, with that setup, 552 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: we do we probably should talk some football, Yeah we should. 553 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: I can talk about like this is not seeing our 554 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: fox can Alright, So you're coming off the Achilles and 555 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: people want to know how it's going for you. It's 556 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: going well. Um, you know, it's a very tough process. 557 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: I felt very very disappointed, maybe not devastated, um long term, 558 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: but very very disappointed coming here and moving my family 559 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: from New Orleans, having excitement about being here in Baltimore one. 560 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: And every time you go to a new city, you 561 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: have to earn respect to fans, earner respect of your teammates. Um. 562 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: You want to prove that you can can play the 563 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: game and you can contribute. And watching this year was 564 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: one of the toughest things I've ever done. Um. You 565 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: know going to I went to the games. I will 566 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: go to the games as soon as I was mobile, 567 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: I will go to the home games on my scooter, 568 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, pushing pushing myself on the scooter. And then 569 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: I went to crutches. Then I went to the walking boot. Um. 570 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: So I went through the course to but I made 571 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: it to all the home games, um, because I wanted 572 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: to at least be there. But it was very hard 573 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: to watch. So, um, I'm nearing the end of the rehab, 574 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the last little bit where you 575 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: really got to get the calf stronger because it turns 576 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: into like a little string being, you know, because I 577 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: mean your whole leg just disappears because you can't use it. Um. 578 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: But this rehab I've had. I've had a number of surgeries, 579 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: um be encountered about seven of them, but this one 580 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: is is uh, this this rehab is definitely the toughest. 581 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: But I am I am, you know, getting stronger every 582 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: day and looking forward to being back. How much have 583 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: you talked to Steve Smith about this whole thing, considering 584 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: he also went through. Yeah, I texted. I probably text 585 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: with Steve probably every few weeks. The last text was 586 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: about three days ago, four days ago. I didn't know 587 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: who's gonna show up today. Um, but it was. It 588 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: was a few days ago, and um, you know, just 589 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: just asking him, what was it, what was it like 590 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: around you know, month eight, month nine, when you're when 591 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: you're getting close and you know you're still trying to 592 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: it that that spring back, and he always had some 593 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: good encouraging words. I mean, he always reaffirms that, you know, 594 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: just just keep on pushing, man, just keep on pushing. 595 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: And obviously, with Dennis put A tragically going down with 596 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: his hip injury, everybody's talking about you and you know 597 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: saying it'd be huge if Benja Watson stepped up and 598 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: can fill that role that Dennis did last year. Just 599 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: what do you say to people about that? I mean, 600 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: how confident do you feel like coming off of this 601 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: that you can be an impact player this season? Well, 602 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: that's why I'm rehabing. Um, if I didn't think I 603 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: could play, if I didn't have the desire to play, 604 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: then um, you know, at this point in time my career, 605 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: I would have I would have walked off to a sunset, right. 606 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: So the goal is to get back in the goal 607 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: is to be the player that I was a player 608 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: that can contribute, the player that can help us win games. Um, 609 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: I was. It's kind of weird because you know, I 610 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: come here last year, Dennis had an injury. I come here, 611 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: I have an injury. Then he plays and he has 612 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: an injury. Um it's the nature of the game. And 613 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: it really being at practice when Dennis went down, Um, 614 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't practicing, so I was able to go over 615 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: to him and actually get under his arm, me and 616 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: a trainer and carry him into the training room. And 617 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: I felt so terrible for him because I know how 618 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: hard it is to come back from injury. I know 619 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: how much work we put into this. I know how 620 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: we dedicate ourselves to our craft and how emotionally we 621 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: get tied into doing this because this is what we 622 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: love to do. And to see another guy who I 623 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: respect tremendously as a as a player and a person 624 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: go through that, because I know what it feels like, 625 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: it hurt to see that, you know. The whole weekend, 626 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and thinking, like, Lord, I just I'm 627 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: just praying, like hopefully it gets to the doctor and 628 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: it's and it's not as bad as as you think 629 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: it is. Um, even though that's what he was he 630 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: was telling us as we were carrying him in, UM, 631 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: and so, UM, you know, it's it's it's unfortunate. And 632 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I kept thinking about when I got hurt, and I 633 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: told my Achilles and they carry him into the locker 634 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: room and they sent me on the table. And I 635 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: didn't know this until I sat on table and looked 636 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: turned around and Steve was standing right now. He had 637 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: followed me, and because he knew, he knew what it 638 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: was and he knew how it felt. And he sat 639 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: there with me for a long time. We shed tears, 640 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: and he sat there and encouraged me, um because he 641 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: knew what I was about to go through. And so 642 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, my heart goes out to Dennis. UM. But 643 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,479 Speaker 1: you know that this year my goal is to come 644 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: back and play that That's what has always been a 645 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: lot of times guys say they don't want to go 646 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: out like that, you know, having an injury. And I 647 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: do feel that, but more importantly, I feel like I 648 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: have unfinished business. Um, you know with this team. Well, 649 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: we're all rooting for you, all right. Well thanks again 650 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: to Benjing. Really good stuff. I mean, he's you talked 651 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: about interesting people on this roster. He's one of the 652 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: most interesting guys that there is, not only just on 653 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: the Raven's roster, but I mean one of the more 654 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: interesting guys. Have really ever met a guy with a 655 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: big heart, uh, strongness, convictions, but willing to learn and 656 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: learn more about the world and and change his viewpoints 657 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: if needed, I think, um on some issues. So I 658 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: think I think that's really cool. I have a lot 659 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: of respect for him. Um And just before I closed 660 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: this thing out on the topic of tight ends, just 661 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: give you a quick take here because in mail bag, 662 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: Garret and I tape that this week and the question 663 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: was what's the best competition that's remaining? And I think 664 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,239 Speaker 1: it is tight End that obviously includes Benjamin And uh, 665 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting because I think that you 666 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: don't really know what's going to come from Bendment. He 667 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: still has a ways to go on his recovery. You 668 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: look at Nick Boyle, probably he's got the leg up 669 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: as a starter. He and Crockett Gilmore as of now, 670 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: not knowing what Benjamin is gonna be like when training 671 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: camp rolls around in the preseason. Um, So Nick Boyle, 672 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Crockett Gilmore, Darren Roller, I still think has some room 673 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: to grow, but a very high ceiling um. So you 674 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: have some interesting players. Max Williams his knee, I don't 675 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: know how that's going to turn out. It's a surgery 676 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: that's never done before to a football player. When you 677 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: hear that, it doesn't sound like it's gonna be anytime soon. 678 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: Uh so would be he'd have a comeback effort for 679 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: sure if you were going to factor in uh this season. 680 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: I think so really interesting stuff coming up in the 681 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: tight end competition. And we'll have all the updates for you. 682 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: And the Lounge is not going anywhere. It's summer vacation time, 683 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: but we will still be here, still be delivering episodes 684 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: to make sure you keep it tuned in, and as always, 685 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you can read us at the Lounge at Ravens dot 686 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: NFL dot net. We'll be back with you soon