1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:14,838 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey welcome back. It's the Book of Joe 3 00:00:14,918 --> 00:00:19,398 Speaker 1: podcast with me, Tom Verducci and my good buddy Joe Madden, 4 00:00:19,638 --> 00:00:22,158 Speaker 1: and the World Series is in the Books Joe. The 5 00:00:22,158 --> 00:00:26,238 Speaker 1: Houston Astros are twenty twenty two World champions. I know, 6 00:00:26,318 --> 00:00:29,158 Speaker 1: as manager of the Angels, you've got some good looks 7 00:00:29,198 --> 00:00:31,838 Speaker 1: at this team during the year. I'm guessing you're probably 8 00:00:31,878 --> 00:00:34,878 Speaker 1: not surprised that they wound up being the last team standing. 9 00:00:35,358 --> 00:00:37,118 Speaker 1: Not at all. I mean when I was pushed and 10 00:00:37,238 --> 00:00:39,598 Speaker 1: asked before this whole thing started, I thought they were 11 00:00:39,638 --> 00:00:42,998 Speaker 1: the best team in the in the hunt seeing primarily 12 00:00:43,038 --> 00:00:44,878 Speaker 1: you know, the Yankees gonna get to see the Dodgers 13 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,998 Speaker 1: this year, the Padres but I watched them a little bit. 14 00:00:47,718 --> 00:00:49,998 Speaker 1: But but I was really betting on was their pitching 15 00:00:49,998 --> 00:00:52,718 Speaker 1: staff more than anything. Uh And of course the guy 16 00:00:52,718 --> 00:00:54,718 Speaker 1: that came through, Alva Reser at the end. I just 17 00:00:54,758 --> 00:00:56,238 Speaker 1: think he's one of the best hitters in the game. 18 00:00:56,278 --> 00:00:59,878 Speaker 1: I was really thinking about that yesterday, probably just fatigued. 19 00:00:59,918 --> 00:01:01,438 Speaker 1: I think that's where it's bat went for a while. 20 00:01:01,478 --> 00:01:03,798 Speaker 1: They were pitching him tough, elevated in kind of like 21 00:01:03,958 --> 00:01:06,718 Speaker 1: to go after Anthony Rizzo at times with these lefties, 22 00:01:07,038 --> 00:01:09,678 Speaker 1: and especially because he's so closed off, but he finally 23 00:01:09,718 --> 00:01:12,238 Speaker 1: got back to it. Um and again the rest of 24 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:14,838 Speaker 1: the team, they played such good defense. They're pitching was outstanding. 25 00:01:15,718 --> 00:01:18,358 Speaker 1: You know, on paper, there's nothing that really lights you 26 00:01:18,478 --> 00:01:21,918 Speaker 1: up kind of other than because even they're starting pitchers 27 00:01:21,958 --> 00:01:24,118 Speaker 1: like Baldez, people really didn't know. I guess you had 28 00:01:24,158 --> 00:01:27,478 Speaker 1: a bad postseason last year, and and uh, Javier, people 29 00:01:27,518 --> 00:01:29,478 Speaker 1: really don't know. And all these guys coming out of 30 00:01:29,478 --> 00:01:32,118 Speaker 1: the pen, people really don't know if he actually watched them, 31 00:01:32,118 --> 00:01:34,598 Speaker 1: they're that good. So I'm happy for them, happy for 32 00:01:34,678 --> 00:01:37,518 Speaker 1: Dusty James Click is a friend of mine too. Um 33 00:01:37,558 --> 00:01:39,598 Speaker 1: So they they did it the old fashioned way with 34 00:01:39,638 --> 00:01:42,598 Speaker 1: outstanding pitching. And last point, I think last game was 35 00:01:42,598 --> 00:01:44,798 Speaker 1: almost formula the way it worked out for the Astros. 36 00:01:44,798 --> 00:01:47,238 Speaker 1: They could not have asked for a better script. Yeah, listen, 37 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:50,278 Speaker 1: no fluke whatsoever. We're talking about a team that won 38 00:01:50,678 --> 00:01:54,318 Speaker 1: one and six games in the regular season and ran 39 00:01:54,398 --> 00:01:58,478 Speaker 1: through the postseason with an eleven and two record. Now 40 00:01:58,598 --> 00:02:02,638 Speaker 1: since we've gone to the three rounds divisional play, multi 41 00:02:02,638 --> 00:02:05,718 Speaker 1: tiered postseason four, Matt, it's just this Astros team and 42 00:02:05,758 --> 00:02:08,518 Speaker 1: the ninety eight Yankees that have put up those kind 43 00:02:08,558 --> 00:02:10,878 Speaker 1: of win numbers in the regular season and the postseason. 44 00:02:10,998 --> 00:02:13,798 Speaker 1: So you called it, Joe, they do to me, they 45 00:02:13,838 --> 00:02:16,878 Speaker 1: do everything well. I have to start with the fact 46 00:02:16,918 --> 00:02:19,798 Speaker 1: that there's so much swinging miss in that pitching step 47 00:02:20,038 --> 00:02:22,798 Speaker 1: top to bottom. I mean, they set a World Series 48 00:02:22,838 --> 00:02:24,838 Speaker 1: record and this is without playing a game seven with 49 00:02:25,038 --> 00:02:27,878 Speaker 1: seventy one punch outs in six games. It's just about 50 00:02:27,878 --> 00:02:31,038 Speaker 1: twelve strikeouts per game. So now you only have to 51 00:02:31,038 --> 00:02:34,438 Speaker 1: defend fifteen outs because the picture and catcher take care 52 00:02:34,438 --> 00:02:36,438 Speaker 1: of twelve of them. And when they do have to 53 00:02:36,478 --> 00:02:39,918 Speaker 1: take care of outs on defense, their defense is spectacular. 54 00:02:40,518 --> 00:02:42,878 Speaker 1: I'll give you one stet Joe at batting average on 55 00:02:42,918 --> 00:02:45,758 Speaker 1: balls and play in the World Series, and yeah, it's 56 00:02:45,758 --> 00:02:47,318 Speaker 1: got a lot to do with defense, but also has 57 00:02:47,358 --> 00:02:50,598 Speaker 1: to do with pitching staffs getting weak contact. Because when 58 00:02:50,638 --> 00:02:53,478 Speaker 1: the when the Astros weren't striking people out, they were 59 00:02:53,518 --> 00:02:57,958 Speaker 1: getting weak contact. The Astros hitters against the Philadelphia staff 60 00:02:58,518 --> 00:03:01,478 Speaker 1: had three o nine batting average on balls in play, 61 00:03:01,758 --> 00:03:04,958 Speaker 1: and the Philadelphia hitters against the Houston pit there's two 62 00:03:04,958 --> 00:03:08,798 Speaker 1: oh five hundred and four point difference and a huge 63 00:03:08,838 --> 00:03:11,318 Speaker 1: difference in the strikeout totals as well. It was plus 64 00:03:11,398 --> 00:03:14,878 Speaker 1: fourteen for the Houston Astros. So I don't want to 65 00:03:14,918 --> 00:03:17,438 Speaker 1: say they dominated Philly because Philly, to me, gave them 66 00:03:17,438 --> 00:03:19,238 Speaker 1: a run. They pushed them. They Let's not forget they 67 00:03:19,238 --> 00:03:22,998 Speaker 1: had two games to one lead, but yeah, six games 68 00:03:23,038 --> 00:03:25,638 Speaker 1: the better team did wind up winning. Well. Hearing all that, 69 00:03:25,718 --> 00:03:27,838 Speaker 1: it's gonna I think there's gonna be a big push 70 00:03:28,038 --> 00:03:31,118 Speaker 1: in all of baseball, but particularly in the A O West, 71 00:03:31,158 --> 00:03:35,718 Speaker 1: to get more of a contact oriented group within your offense. UM. 72 00:03:35,998 --> 00:03:38,038 Speaker 1: I think part of that is the one way method 73 00:03:38,038 --> 00:03:41,118 Speaker 1: of teaching hitting these days. It's the lift, elevate the ball. 74 00:03:41,678 --> 00:03:44,598 Speaker 1: I'm not diminishing the abilities of the Astros pitching staff, 75 00:03:44,638 --> 00:03:47,398 Speaker 1: but for the most part the way hitting is taught. 76 00:03:47,478 --> 00:03:49,878 Speaker 1: But with the way these guys throw the ball, UM, 77 00:03:49,918 --> 00:03:52,118 Speaker 1: you can see the swing and miss being part of it. 78 00:03:52,318 --> 00:03:54,198 Speaker 1: Sagara is an example of a guy that knows how 79 00:03:54,198 --> 00:03:56,118 Speaker 1: to move the ball in a situation, and he did 80 00:03:56,958 --> 00:03:58,958 Speaker 1: for the most part. Real Bodo is the guy that 81 00:03:58,998 --> 00:04:01,358 Speaker 1: surprised me. I think he was just absolutely gassed as 82 00:04:01,358 --> 00:04:04,598 Speaker 1: an example, but it's the fact that the league reacts 83 00:04:04,598 --> 00:04:07,478 Speaker 1: on an annual basis. Everybody's gonna talk about exactly what 84 00:04:07,518 --> 00:04:08,798 Speaker 1: you just said. And so how do you beat the 85 00:04:08,838 --> 00:04:11,078 Speaker 1: Astros next year? You just go up there and try 86 00:04:11,118 --> 00:04:12,838 Speaker 1: to hit home runs against them, or do you try 87 00:04:12,918 --> 00:04:15,278 Speaker 1: to sprinkle your lineup with guys that can actually move 88 00:04:15,278 --> 00:04:17,878 Speaker 1: the ball in situations and help create a different kind 89 00:04:17,878 --> 00:04:20,438 Speaker 1: of a vibe within your team offensively. These are the 90 00:04:20,478 --> 00:04:22,078 Speaker 1: kind of things that I'm in the LST that have 91 00:04:22,158 --> 00:04:24,998 Speaker 1: to approach and think about. Their pitching staff is not 92 00:04:25,038 --> 00:04:26,958 Speaker 1: going away. We talked about it the other day, a 93 00:04:26,958 --> 00:04:30,718 Speaker 1: guy like Valdez who the Phillies had just seen, and 94 00:04:30,758 --> 00:04:33,558 Speaker 1: everybody's going with the conventional thought that, well, they've seen 95 00:04:33,598 --> 00:04:35,598 Speaker 1: them several times now, of course they're gonna catch up 96 00:04:35,598 --> 00:04:37,078 Speaker 1: to him. I'm here to tell you if he pitched 97 00:04:37,118 --> 00:04:39,878 Speaker 1: against them next week or five days from now, he'd 98 00:04:39,878 --> 00:04:42,358 Speaker 1: have the same kind of result. With good help, this 99 00:04:42,438 --> 00:04:44,478 Speaker 1: pitching staff is going to be that good. But I 100 00:04:44,478 --> 00:04:46,638 Speaker 1: think it's going to take a different mindset, a different 101 00:04:46,678 --> 00:04:50,558 Speaker 1: method um regarding how to beat this group where you know, 102 00:04:50,598 --> 00:04:52,518 Speaker 1: pitching in genu where you get to these teams like 103 00:04:52,558 --> 00:04:55,678 Speaker 1: you're talking about that really have a lot of swinging 104 00:04:55,758 --> 00:04:58,318 Speaker 1: mists and the balls not moved, and I didn't even 105 00:04:58,318 --> 00:04:59,918 Speaker 1: think of it in the terms that you stated it. 106 00:04:59,958 --> 00:05:01,998 Speaker 1: But there's only fifteen balls that had to be accounted 107 00:05:02,038 --> 00:05:05,718 Speaker 1: for and play. That's pretty in resting. Yeah, you know, listen, 108 00:05:05,838 --> 00:05:08,518 Speaker 1: you mentioned Valdez and they did. I give the Phillies credit. 109 00:05:08,518 --> 00:05:11,038 Speaker 1: They made an adjustment against him in the game. They 110 00:05:11,078 --> 00:05:14,198 Speaker 1: did not change They didn't chase the curveball early in 111 00:05:14,198 --> 00:05:17,038 Speaker 1: the game. But you know, Valdez and Maldonado, they're just 112 00:05:17,118 --> 00:05:19,278 Speaker 1: so good working together. They just went to a Plan 113 00:05:19,398 --> 00:05:21,518 Speaker 1: B and he started throwing some more sinkers, and his 114 00:05:21,638 --> 00:05:24,078 Speaker 1: sinkers crazy. He's throwing it harder than he ever has 115 00:05:24,198 --> 00:05:26,758 Speaker 1: in his career. I mean he's hit nineties seven he 116 00:05:26,798 --> 00:05:31,678 Speaker 1: typically since with crazy movement. So yeah, the stuff is real. 117 00:05:32,158 --> 00:05:35,798 Speaker 1: We talked about Javier with that invisible fastball that he has. 118 00:05:36,878 --> 00:05:38,798 Speaker 1: The bullpen, I mean, it reminded me a little bit 119 00:05:38,798 --> 00:05:42,318 Speaker 1: of Atlanta last year where Brian Stinker what does bullpen 120 00:05:42,478 --> 00:05:46,278 Speaker 1: early and often knowing it's so deep, nobody got overused 121 00:05:46,358 --> 00:05:48,558 Speaker 1: and he had multiple good options. You see a lot 122 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:51,838 Speaker 1: of teams like Philadelphia, you know the manager, let's face 123 00:05:51,878 --> 00:05:53,518 Speaker 1: at Joe, you love to have as many of those 124 00:05:53,518 --> 00:05:55,718 Speaker 1: winning pieces as you call them in the bullpen. But 125 00:05:56,238 --> 00:05:59,398 Speaker 1: Rob Thompson really only had two maybe three to go 126 00:05:59,518 --> 00:06:02,318 Speaker 1: to to shut the game down, and Dusty just had 127 00:06:02,358 --> 00:06:06,038 Speaker 1: so many more options. Call them even or a head guys. Um, 128 00:06:06,078 --> 00:06:08,678 Speaker 1: there's a difference, you know. It really stands out during 129 00:06:08,678 --> 00:06:11,638 Speaker 1: the regular season. Um, for the teams that they talk 130 00:06:11,678 --> 00:06:13,638 Speaker 1: about Houston winning a hundred and six games, you have 131 00:06:13,758 --> 00:06:16,478 Speaker 1: to have more than four even a head guys. My 132 00:06:16,558 --> 00:06:19,278 Speaker 1: number was at least four to having in a bullpen 133 00:06:19,318 --> 00:06:21,438 Speaker 1: to be successful. And I don't I don't know that 134 00:06:21,438 --> 00:06:23,958 Speaker 1: it's a hundred six games successful, but even her head guys, 135 00:06:23,998 --> 00:06:25,558 Speaker 1: you could bring in the game when the scores tied 136 00:06:25,678 --> 00:06:28,278 Speaker 1: or your head different reaction from from a lot of 137 00:06:28,278 --> 00:06:32,078 Speaker 1: relief pictures as opposed to when you're behind. So when 138 00:06:32,078 --> 00:06:34,558 Speaker 1: you could when you could stack your group with people 139 00:06:34,598 --> 00:06:38,158 Speaker 1: that you believe and know can pitch in those tight moments. 140 00:06:38,198 --> 00:06:40,878 Speaker 1: I'm talking from the sixth ending on and even sometimes 141 00:06:40,878 --> 00:06:43,278 Speaker 1: to hold the small deficit knowing that your offense is 142 00:06:43,318 --> 00:06:46,198 Speaker 1: capable or the other team's bullpen it's not as capable. 143 00:06:46,278 --> 00:06:48,678 Speaker 1: That was a big factor in the zero eight raised 144 00:06:48,718 --> 00:06:51,638 Speaker 1: run of the World Series was JP Howe and Grant Balfour. 145 00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:54,438 Speaker 1: These guys pretty much like the middle inning closures. And 146 00:06:54,478 --> 00:06:56,558 Speaker 1: that's what we were doing back then, is trying to 147 00:06:56,638 --> 00:06:59,198 Speaker 1: keep the game either close or hold a tie or 148 00:06:59,238 --> 00:07:01,358 Speaker 1: slight lead in the middle part of the game. And 149 00:07:01,718 --> 00:07:04,118 Speaker 1: a part of that that theory too, is that you 150 00:07:04,158 --> 00:07:07,678 Speaker 1: have to realize you're you're you're capable and allowed to 151 00:07:07,718 --> 00:07:10,238 Speaker 1: score more runs. So if you keep that game in 152 00:07:10,358 --> 00:07:12,358 Speaker 1: check six or seven, then all of a sudden you 153 00:07:12,358 --> 00:07:14,798 Speaker 1: have a nice two or three point seventh or eighth inning. 154 00:07:15,118 --> 00:07:17,278 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it presents differently at the end 155 00:07:17,278 --> 00:07:19,278 Speaker 1: of the game. But you have to have these guys 156 00:07:19,318 --> 00:07:21,838 Speaker 1: on board. It's it's not easy to find. It's something 157 00:07:21,918 --> 00:07:23,838 Speaker 1: that you know, for me, what you would want to 158 00:07:23,918 --> 00:07:28,078 Speaker 1: nurture in the off season, really trying to establish and 159 00:07:28,158 --> 00:07:30,318 Speaker 1: find those kind of guys and pay them and have them. 160 00:07:30,598 --> 00:07:32,838 Speaker 1: And the other part is to find them yourselves among 161 00:07:32,878 --> 00:07:35,918 Speaker 1: your groups. Some guys just start cut out for starting 162 00:07:35,958 --> 00:07:37,798 Speaker 1: and those are the kind of things you have to 163 00:07:37,798 --> 00:07:40,638 Speaker 1: make that kind of judgment on early. But when you 164 00:07:40,678 --> 00:07:43,478 Speaker 1: could get a combination of youth and I love the 165 00:07:43,558 --> 00:07:46,518 Speaker 1: veteran relief picture quite frankly, because normally these guys know 166 00:07:46,558 --> 00:07:48,958 Speaker 1: how to either walk into a tough moment or know 167 00:07:48,998 --> 00:07:51,558 Speaker 1: how to to shake off a bad one, and and 168 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:54,558 Speaker 1: and there really can be the stability of of of 169 00:07:54,598 --> 00:07:58,158 Speaker 1: a really good baseball team. Uh is any bullpen, and 170 00:07:58,158 --> 00:08:02,798 Speaker 1: that's why this this team one uh yesterday and moving forward, 171 00:08:02,878 --> 00:08:06,038 Speaker 1: I would really start with the dynamic bullpen where people 172 00:08:06,038 --> 00:08:09,158 Speaker 1: considered volatile, but when you get to seven games at 173 00:08:09,158 --> 00:08:10,398 Speaker 1: the end of the year, you like one that you 174 00:08:10,398 --> 00:08:12,918 Speaker 1: could really count on. Yeah, and along those lines, Joe, 175 00:08:12,958 --> 00:08:15,638 Speaker 1: I give a really big props to the Astros for 176 00:08:15,838 --> 00:08:18,998 Speaker 1: identifying those kinds of players in the bullpen, and even 177 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:21,918 Speaker 1: position players. They just they're just terrific at it. You 178 00:08:21,958 --> 00:08:24,398 Speaker 1: look at the major contributors in game six there you're 179 00:08:24,438 --> 00:08:27,398 Speaker 1: Don Alvarez. They got it for Josh Fields, a middle 180 00:08:27,438 --> 00:08:30,118 Speaker 1: reliever at the trade deadline and sixteen, the Dodgers needed 181 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:34,638 Speaker 1: a middle reliever, and the the Astros identified. Alvarez is 182 00:08:34,638 --> 00:08:36,878 Speaker 1: a guy they tried to sign on the international free 183 00:08:36,878 --> 00:08:39,838 Speaker 1: agent market just a few months earlier, but the Dodgers 184 00:08:39,838 --> 00:08:41,678 Speaker 1: had a little more money on the table. Signs with 185 00:08:41,758 --> 00:08:44,998 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, never played an affiliated game with the Dodgers 186 00:08:45,038 --> 00:08:47,838 Speaker 1: and was traded just a few weeks after he signed. 187 00:08:48,118 --> 00:08:50,558 Speaker 1: And so it was a scout Charlie Gonzalez that saw 188 00:08:50,638 --> 00:08:52,998 Speaker 1: him when he was a free agent, said we need 189 00:08:53,038 --> 00:08:55,318 Speaker 1: to find a way to get this guy. They did 190 00:08:55,798 --> 00:08:59,158 Speaker 1: think about Jeremy Pain, short stopped from the University of Maine. 191 00:08:59,598 --> 00:09:02,078 Speaker 1: Right A hundred and one players were picked ahead of 192 00:09:02,158 --> 00:09:05,158 Speaker 1: him in the draft. Yeah, has not only drafted him, 193 00:09:05,238 --> 00:09:08,678 Speaker 1: developed him. And when Carlos Krea was a free agent, 194 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:12,118 Speaker 1: they were very comfortable letting a top shortstop like Correa leave, 195 00:09:12,798 --> 00:09:15,118 Speaker 1: trusting that Pain you could be that guy. He was 196 00:09:15,318 --> 00:09:17,798 Speaker 1: Ryan Pressley, a guy they traded for from the Minnesota 197 00:09:17,838 --> 00:09:20,398 Speaker 1: Twins because they love the spin rate on his breaking ball. 198 00:09:20,718 --> 00:09:23,478 Speaker 1: You know, we already talked about Valdez, a Bray, you, Garcia, 199 00:09:23,518 --> 00:09:25,518 Speaker 1: all these guys. They drafted a lot of America Latin 200 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:29,118 Speaker 1: America who are not top prospects, but they scouted athleticism, 201 00:09:29,158 --> 00:09:33,398 Speaker 1: they scouted arm actions. Give the Astros credit because up 202 00:09:33,398 --> 00:09:37,358 Speaker 1: and down the lineup major contributors. They turned some pieces 203 00:09:37,398 --> 00:09:40,678 Speaker 1: that not everybody was on into major contributors. Yeah. I 204 00:09:40,718 --> 00:09:43,278 Speaker 1: think it's a combination of analytics and good old fashioned 205 00:09:43,278 --> 00:09:46,078 Speaker 1: baseball scouting. It sounds like that to me, but it's 206 00:09:46,078 --> 00:09:48,558 Speaker 1: a perfect example for me where analytics can shine to 207 00:09:48,598 --> 00:09:50,838 Speaker 1: identify the kind of player that you're looking for that 208 00:09:50,918 --> 00:09:54,118 Speaker 1: you believe plays or plays in that particular ballparker you've 209 00:09:54,118 --> 00:09:57,358 Speaker 1: seen be very successful with your group in the recent past, 210 00:09:57,438 --> 00:10:01,518 Speaker 1: so you get guys like Alvarez or others pain University 211 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:04,238 Speaker 1: of Maine. I'd love to know if that was more 212 00:10:04,278 --> 00:10:07,638 Speaker 1: of a really eyeball kind of a situation where Scott 213 00:10:08,118 --> 00:10:12,638 Speaker 1: Area scout or supervisor saw this guy guy and kept pushing, pushing, push, pushing, 214 00:10:13,158 --> 00:10:15,478 Speaker 1: and you're done. I'm curious about that when too, it 215 00:10:15,478 --> 00:10:18,118 Speaker 1: sounds to me like that was an eyeball situation because 216 00:10:18,158 --> 00:10:21,518 Speaker 1: there was not enough data to to accumulated to determine 217 00:10:21,518 --> 00:10:24,078 Speaker 1: whether you like him analytically or not. But that's that's 218 00:10:24,078 --> 00:10:25,958 Speaker 1: what to me, that's the best way to do it. 219 00:10:25,998 --> 00:10:28,438 Speaker 1: You you can bind all of these things, but at 220 00:10:28,478 --> 00:10:31,558 Speaker 1: the end of the day, analytically speaking, I think to me, 221 00:10:31,638 --> 00:10:35,998 Speaker 1: that's where that part of the data, the information really 222 00:10:36,198 --> 00:10:40,478 Speaker 1: can contribute and contribute on a really uh outstanding basis 223 00:10:40,558 --> 00:10:43,558 Speaker 1: is the ability to identify somebody before he becomes somebody. 224 00:10:43,918 --> 00:10:45,598 Speaker 1: And when you get that kind of a thing working 225 00:10:45,598 --> 00:10:48,438 Speaker 1: in and really know what you're looking for, you could 226 00:10:48,598 --> 00:10:50,758 Speaker 1: you could identify the diamond and the rough. Yeah, by 227 00:10:50,798 --> 00:10:54,438 Speaker 1: the way, you're correct on Alvara has definitely eyeball. Charlie Gonzalez. 228 00:10:54,478 --> 00:10:57,238 Speaker 1: The scouts saw him, You're don didn't show the kind 229 00:10:57,238 --> 00:10:59,078 Speaker 1: of power we're saying now in the big leagues. But 230 00:10:59,118 --> 00:11:02,318 Speaker 1: he saw the frame, saw this wing, knew the potential 231 00:11:02,478 --> 00:11:05,438 Speaker 1: was there for power. An interesting story, by the way, 232 00:11:05,438 --> 00:11:09,558 Speaker 1: about that deal. Um. When the Dodgers asked about Josh Fields, 233 00:11:10,198 --> 00:11:13,878 Speaker 1: the Astros came back by text. They asked for the 234 00:11:13,918 --> 00:11:17,078 Speaker 1: Cuban free agent they had signed, why Dot, using the 235 00:11:17,278 --> 00:11:21,158 Speaker 1: initial for the first name Alvarez, And the Dodgers actually 236 00:11:21,158 --> 00:11:24,518 Speaker 1: had another y Dot Alvarez, a pitcher who they had 237 00:11:24,558 --> 00:11:27,398 Speaker 1: invested thirty two million dollars in, who was a free 238 00:11:27,438 --> 00:11:30,438 Speaker 1: agent from Cuba. And the Dodgers right away said, no way, 239 00:11:30,678 --> 00:11:32,798 Speaker 1: we had way too much money invested in this guy. 240 00:11:32,838 --> 00:11:35,638 Speaker 1: We're not gonna trade him now. And the Astros figured 241 00:11:35,678 --> 00:11:38,038 Speaker 1: out that there's a little miscommunication. He said, no, we're 242 00:11:38,038 --> 00:11:40,798 Speaker 1: talking about that your Dot Alvarez, the left handed hitter, 243 00:11:41,398 --> 00:11:43,678 Speaker 1: and he had gotten two million, And the Dodgers said, 244 00:11:43,798 --> 00:11:46,758 Speaker 1: oh yeah, okay, we'll talk about him. And that's how 245 00:11:46,798 --> 00:11:49,318 Speaker 1: the deal got done. Well, this guy's not done. He's 246 00:11:49,318 --> 00:11:50,678 Speaker 1: one of the best. He's one of the best young 247 00:11:50,798 --> 00:11:52,998 Speaker 1: hitters in the game. I think he was stifled. Like 248 00:11:53,038 --> 00:11:55,278 Speaker 1: I said, I think they You've suggested, and I think 249 00:11:55,278 --> 00:11:57,078 Speaker 1: it's true. They kind of start pitching him in a 250 00:11:57,198 --> 00:11:59,678 Speaker 1: in a better way. But I also think fatigue was 251 00:11:59,718 --> 00:12:01,278 Speaker 1: part of that, the fact that he was pressing. He 252 00:12:01,358 --> 00:12:03,798 Speaker 1: really wanted to get that big hit and he needed to. 253 00:12:03,958 --> 00:12:06,118 Speaker 1: That team last night needed him to come through in 254 00:12:06,158 --> 00:12:08,678 Speaker 1: that moment. Out of all that, the different players on 255 00:12:08,758 --> 00:12:11,838 Speaker 1: that team, what I saw this year playing against him, 256 00:12:11,878 --> 00:12:15,318 Speaker 1: him and Tucker, but him primarily. I used to that 257 00:12:15,358 --> 00:12:16,918 Speaker 1: mikey Trott would be standing next to me and I'd 258 00:12:16,918 --> 00:12:18,598 Speaker 1: say to Mike, this is one of the top five 259 00:12:18,638 --> 00:12:21,478 Speaker 1: hitters in the game. You're right. I do not disagree 260 00:12:21,478 --> 00:12:23,918 Speaker 1: with that. He hits lefties as well, if not better 261 00:12:23,958 --> 00:12:27,398 Speaker 1: than right ees power hits for average right And we're 262 00:12:27,438 --> 00:12:29,878 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. When we come back. I've 263 00:12:29,918 --> 00:12:33,158 Speaker 1: got to ask Joe Madden about the key managerial move 264 00:12:33,358 --> 00:12:37,158 Speaker 1: in game six. And speaking of managers, we have to 265 00:12:37,198 --> 00:12:46,158 Speaker 1: talk about Dusty Baker. Welcome back to the Book of 266 00:12:46,238 --> 00:12:50,198 Speaker 1: Joe podcast. We are wrapping up the World Series Astro's 267 00:12:50,278 --> 00:12:54,558 Speaker 1: four one win in Game six, and remember this podcast. 268 00:12:54,598 --> 00:12:56,158 Speaker 1: If you like this, you have to check out our 269 00:12:56,278 --> 00:12:59,038 Speaker 1: book of the same name, The Book of Joe. You 270 00:12:59,038 --> 00:13:03,038 Speaker 1: can buy it wherever books are sold. I mentioned the 271 00:13:03,118 --> 00:13:05,798 Speaker 1: key decision in the game, and it was pretty much 272 00:13:05,878 --> 00:13:08,278 Speaker 1: every day for Rob Thompson to the Phillies. It was 273 00:13:08,318 --> 00:13:11,918 Speaker 1: about controlling that pocket of two lefties and three spots 274 00:13:11,918 --> 00:13:16,158 Speaker 1: in the lineup Alvarez and Tucker. Here's the situation, folks. 275 00:13:16,158 --> 00:13:19,278 Speaker 1: You've got Zach Wheeler on the mound at seventy pitches 276 00:13:19,958 --> 00:13:22,718 Speaker 1: with two runners on base, one out. He has not 277 00:13:22,838 --> 00:13:26,358 Speaker 1: allowed to run sixth inning. Now it's the pocket up. 278 00:13:26,478 --> 00:13:30,278 Speaker 1: It's your don Alvarez. His decision is stick with the 279 00:13:30,318 --> 00:13:33,878 Speaker 1: plan that he went into the World Series really dedicated to, 280 00:13:34,038 --> 00:13:38,878 Speaker 1: and that is Alvarado on Alvarez, or does he go 281 00:13:39,118 --> 00:13:41,878 Speaker 1: off his own instinct plan, whatever you wanna call it, 282 00:13:42,038 --> 00:13:45,438 Speaker 1: and stick with his ace Zach Wheeler, who is throwing 283 00:13:45,478 --> 00:13:48,758 Speaker 1: the ball very well and certainly the pitch count is 284 00:13:48,798 --> 00:13:52,318 Speaker 1: not a factor. He went with Alvarez, and I gotta 285 00:13:52,358 --> 00:13:54,758 Speaker 1: tell you, Joe, I didn't have a big problem with 286 00:13:54,798 --> 00:13:58,318 Speaker 1: that because you're bringing your best left handed relief pitcher 287 00:13:58,358 --> 00:14:04,198 Speaker 1: in that situation World Series elimination game, he's managing aggressively. Listen, 288 00:14:04,358 --> 00:14:06,518 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem with you with the other way, 289 00:14:06,798 --> 00:14:09,878 Speaker 1: because Wheeler was throwing the ball that well. But I 290 00:14:09,918 --> 00:14:11,958 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised when he did it because this is what 291 00:14:12,038 --> 00:14:16,278 Speaker 1: he has done. Of course, Alvarez winds up hitting a 292 00:14:16,318 --> 00:14:18,438 Speaker 1: three run home or four and fifty feet over the 293 00:14:18,438 --> 00:14:21,478 Speaker 1: batter's eye in center field. Now, one thing I did 294 00:14:21,478 --> 00:14:23,918 Speaker 1: think about as the change was being made, and I 295 00:14:23,958 --> 00:14:28,638 Speaker 1: texted my buddy Ken Rosenthal about this exposure in a 296 00:14:28,718 --> 00:14:31,518 Speaker 1: seven game series, when you're matching up the relief picture 297 00:14:31,558 --> 00:14:34,278 Speaker 1: on the same guy over and over again, he gets 298 00:14:34,318 --> 00:14:36,718 Speaker 1: more looks in real time, not just on the iPad, 299 00:14:36,758 --> 00:14:39,998 Speaker 1: about what the guy is throwing. Alvarez wasn't great, or 300 00:14:40,038 --> 00:14:43,758 Speaker 1: Alvarado wasn't great his last time out, and I just 301 00:14:43,998 --> 00:14:46,478 Speaker 1: think exposure caught up with him the way you guys 302 00:14:46,478 --> 00:14:48,878 Speaker 1: with the Cubs and sixteen caught up with Andrew Miller 303 00:14:49,158 --> 00:14:52,158 Speaker 1: in Game seven. I saw it happened to Brandon Marrow 304 00:14:52,198 --> 00:14:54,838 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers and seventeen, and saw it happened with 305 00:14:54,958 --> 00:14:57,838 Speaker 1: Nick Anderson with the Raise in twenty. I see it 306 00:14:57,918 --> 00:15:00,838 Speaker 1: happened a lot in a seven game series. Maybe it 307 00:15:00,838 --> 00:15:03,558 Speaker 1: was a factor and maybe it wasn't. But Joe, I'm 308 00:15:03,598 --> 00:15:06,838 Speaker 1: curious us your take about how to handle that situation 309 00:15:06,878 --> 00:15:10,318 Speaker 1: when it came around, because obviously that turned the deciding 310 00:15:10,318 --> 00:15:12,638 Speaker 1: game of the World series. Yeah, that was They had 311 00:15:12,718 --> 00:15:14,878 Speaker 1: that predetermined before the game, and I think Robbie had 312 00:15:14,878 --> 00:15:16,918 Speaker 1: that predetermined before the game. So it's hard to walk 313 00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:19,598 Speaker 1: away from that. The number of pitches thrown, Uh, it 314 00:15:19,638 --> 00:15:23,358 Speaker 1: really is not relevant at that point regarding Wheeler. You 315 00:15:23,398 --> 00:15:25,318 Speaker 1: would not even consider that. It was just a part 316 00:15:25,318 --> 00:15:27,638 Speaker 1: of the game that was sixth inning. You said it 317 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,798 Speaker 1: was a sixth inning, correct, So in a sixth inning 318 00:15:29,838 --> 00:15:31,838 Speaker 1: you really that you you already have it laid out 319 00:15:31,918 --> 00:15:33,958 Speaker 1: after that too, and you feel pretty good about what's 320 00:15:33,958 --> 00:15:36,398 Speaker 1: going to happen after that. So I don't blame him 321 00:15:36,398 --> 00:15:38,598 Speaker 1: at all. Um, That's how they were doing things. That 322 00:15:38,678 --> 00:15:41,918 Speaker 1: was their method of operation to really like pull one 323 00:15:41,918 --> 00:15:43,518 Speaker 1: out of the hat right there and say, yeah, I'm 324 00:15:43,518 --> 00:15:46,118 Speaker 1: it's gonna stick with Wheeler right here, even though I 325 00:15:46,118 --> 00:15:47,958 Speaker 1: had this dude warming up. Now. The other point is 326 00:15:47,958 --> 00:15:49,718 Speaker 1: he's warming up, and then when he warms up, then 327 00:15:49,798 --> 00:15:52,518 Speaker 1: how do you use them later? Especially if he's been 328 00:15:52,758 --> 00:15:55,438 Speaker 1: used that often into the series. All of all those 329 00:15:55,438 --> 00:15:59,318 Speaker 1: things are factors familiarity. Um Again, when you talk about 330 00:15:59,398 --> 00:16:02,518 Speaker 1: Valdez as a starting pitcher and the kind of weapons 331 00:16:02,558 --> 00:16:06,958 Speaker 1: he possesses as a post to Varado, it's primarily he's 332 00:16:06,958 --> 00:16:08,398 Speaker 1: beating you over there with his fastbay. He's got a 333 00:16:08,398 --> 00:16:10,038 Speaker 1: good breaking ball, but he's gonna try to beat you 334 00:16:10,078 --> 00:16:13,318 Speaker 1: with the one primary tool right there. And uh yeah, 335 00:16:13,318 --> 00:16:15,918 Speaker 1: I mean that's something that you know timing in your head. 336 00:16:15,998 --> 00:16:18,838 Speaker 1: I'm sure you. Ordan was looking at that and just 337 00:16:18,958 --> 00:16:21,678 Speaker 1: he had he had one. His his mental clock was 338 00:16:21,678 --> 00:16:23,478 Speaker 1: said at a hundred miles an hour. He was getting 339 00:16:23,518 --> 00:16:25,718 Speaker 1: started on time. And then if you look in an 340 00:16:25,758 --> 00:16:27,638 Speaker 1: area and it just happens to be there, good for you, 341 00:16:27,678 --> 00:16:30,038 Speaker 1: bully for you. But you have a better chance, I think, 342 00:16:30,078 --> 00:16:31,998 Speaker 1: to do that versus a relief picture like that with 343 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:36,838 Speaker 1: limited UMU select selection regarding his pitches as opposed to 344 00:16:36,838 --> 00:16:40,078 Speaker 1: avows or a starter that's really has a variety of 345 00:16:40,118 --> 00:16:42,558 Speaker 1: different things and looks and change of speeds to give 346 00:16:42,598 --> 00:16:46,438 Speaker 1: you more of a concern. So all those things are 347 00:16:46,438 --> 00:16:48,638 Speaker 1: playing in that moment. I don't blame Rob for doing 348 00:16:48,678 --> 00:16:52,398 Speaker 1: that whatsoever, but you're right, I mean, you're done with 349 00:16:52,438 --> 00:16:54,838 Speaker 1: the left handed picture. It doesn't bother him. I learned 350 00:16:54,878 --> 00:16:57,758 Speaker 1: that real quickly last year. He does not bother him 351 00:16:57,758 --> 00:16:59,838 Speaker 1: at all, doesn't bother Tucker at all. That's that's a 352 00:16:59,878 --> 00:17:02,998 Speaker 1: part of that group's success. So, yeah, something that you 353 00:17:03,038 --> 00:17:06,558 Speaker 1: would consider. You may think about it a little bit, 354 00:17:06,598 --> 00:17:10,038 Speaker 1: But in that particular game, Uh, their formula had been working. 355 00:17:10,078 --> 00:17:11,998 Speaker 1: There was no reason to walk away from it. Yeah, 356 00:17:11,998 --> 00:17:14,838 Speaker 1: I agreed on all that. Now, let's talk about Dusty Baker. 357 00:17:14,878 --> 00:17:18,118 Speaker 1: I mean, anybody in baseball, even if you don't really 358 00:17:18,118 --> 00:17:20,798 Speaker 1: know him that well, you're happy for Dusty Baker. Why. 359 00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:22,918 Speaker 1: It's not just because he's a good manager. He's a 360 00:17:22,958 --> 00:17:25,438 Speaker 1: good human being. And you can tell by the way 361 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:29,238 Speaker 1: the players respond the Dusty, the way they play for him. 362 00:17:29,438 --> 00:17:32,598 Speaker 1: Of course, twenty five years managing the big leagues, he 363 00:17:32,678 --> 00:17:37,478 Speaker 1: had managed and won more games, including the postseason, than 364 00:17:37,558 --> 00:17:40,998 Speaker 1: any manager in history. Without winning the World Series. Well 365 00:17:41,078 --> 00:17:44,278 Speaker 1: that's over with. He got his World Championship. Of course, Joe. 366 00:17:44,318 --> 00:17:46,398 Speaker 1: You were there at the heartbreak in two thousand and two, 367 00:17:46,478 --> 00:17:50,438 Speaker 1: game six, five nothing, lead, eight outs to go. It 368 00:17:50,438 --> 00:17:52,878 Speaker 1: looked like Dusty was going to get that win. Early 369 00:17:52,878 --> 00:17:55,638 Speaker 1: in his managing career, and the Angels would not be denied. 370 00:17:55,798 --> 00:18:00,998 Speaker 1: So kudos to Dusty Baker well deserved incredible baseball life. 371 00:18:01,158 --> 00:18:03,118 Speaker 1: I thought he was a Hall of Famer whether he 372 00:18:03,158 --> 00:18:06,718 Speaker 1: won this War Series or not. This makes it even 373 00:18:06,758 --> 00:18:11,038 Speaker 1: more obvious that he is. Oh, I'm a big Dusty guy. 374 00:18:11,038 --> 00:18:13,958 Speaker 1: To he and I would talk a lot whenever we 375 00:18:13,958 --> 00:18:16,638 Speaker 1: were at the ballpark together playing against one another, even 376 00:18:16,638 --> 00:18:18,598 Speaker 1: to his son. His son, I was trying to help 377 00:18:18,678 --> 00:18:20,278 Speaker 1: him out with the project a couple of years ago, 378 00:18:20,478 --> 00:18:23,638 Speaker 1: and the Dusty was just anytime somebody attempts to help 379 00:18:23,678 --> 00:18:26,638 Speaker 1: your kid, you're indebted to that person forever. I feel 380 00:18:26,678 --> 00:18:29,958 Speaker 1: the same way. So we've always had that conversation. Working 381 00:18:29,958 --> 00:18:32,638 Speaker 1: against him and the other dugout Um. You know he's 382 00:18:32,678 --> 00:18:35,518 Speaker 1: always there with good teams. They're always there at the end. 383 00:18:36,078 --> 00:18:38,438 Speaker 1: And I know his team is always gonna play loose, 384 00:18:38,438 --> 00:18:40,798 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be hung up on anything. And he 385 00:18:40,878 --> 00:18:44,358 Speaker 1: handles both good and bad really equally well. I and 386 00:18:44,398 --> 00:18:46,358 Speaker 1: I think those are great attributes to be a major 387 00:18:46,438 --> 00:18:48,998 Speaker 1: league manager for many years, because if you if you 388 00:18:49,118 --> 00:18:51,598 Speaker 1: burn that candle too hotly or brightly, it's gonna eventually 389 00:18:51,598 --> 00:18:53,758 Speaker 1: burn out and turn on you. So I think he's 390 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:56,638 Speaker 1: had the right demeanor, the right to have this kind 391 00:18:56,638 --> 00:18:58,918 Speaker 1: of shelf life in the major leagues. I think his 392 00:18:58,998 --> 00:19:03,518 Speaker 1: experience and how he is permits him regarding UH front 393 00:19:03,558 --> 00:19:06,198 Speaker 1: office is or GM or whatever to want him with 394 00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:08,158 Speaker 1: their particular group, because he's the kind of guy you 395 00:19:08,198 --> 00:19:11,318 Speaker 1: want when you have a team that's maybe poised to win. UM. 396 00:19:11,358 --> 00:19:14,398 Speaker 1: And what he did their post scandal to really calm 397 00:19:14,438 --> 00:19:16,478 Speaker 1: things down, I don't think he's been given enough credit 398 00:19:16,518 --> 00:19:18,798 Speaker 1: for that, just the way he would hanging the dug 399 00:19:18,798 --> 00:19:20,918 Speaker 1: out there and how he would not overreact. And I 400 00:19:20,918 --> 00:19:22,918 Speaker 1: would have to believe the players took counsel with him 401 00:19:22,918 --> 00:19:24,878 Speaker 1: a lot, and he and of course he did a 402 00:19:24,878 --> 00:19:27,478 Speaker 1: wonderful job with him, because they took it. They took it, 403 00:19:27,558 --> 00:19:30,398 Speaker 1: they wore it, they knew they did something wrong. Um. 404 00:19:31,238 --> 00:19:33,598 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't make a lot of excuses uh 405 00:19:33,678 --> 00:19:36,518 Speaker 1: landishly outwardly, and I think he had a lot to 406 00:19:36,518 --> 00:19:37,998 Speaker 1: do with that. I think the way he calmed that 407 00:19:38,038 --> 00:19:42,198 Speaker 1: whole situation down really was an absolutely brilliant job on 408 00:19:42,238 --> 00:19:44,918 Speaker 1: his part. So very happy for him, happy for his family, 409 00:19:45,358 --> 00:19:47,438 Speaker 1: and yeah he is. He was a Hall of Famer 410 00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:49,958 Speaker 1: prior to this. Ever, happening. Yeah, I like your point 411 00:19:49,998 --> 00:19:52,598 Speaker 1: about the situation he walked into listen. He gave that 412 00:19:52,718 --> 00:19:57,238 Speaker 1: organization instant credibility at a time when it was lacking 413 00:19:57,318 --> 00:20:00,638 Speaker 1: obviously because of the science dealing scandal. He handled everything 414 00:20:00,678 --> 00:20:03,038 Speaker 1: as he always does, with grace and dignity, just the 415 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:05,958 Speaker 1: perfect guy. Jim Crane told me the story last night 416 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,278 Speaker 1: that he put together, Jim Crane his own list of 417 00:20:09,318 --> 00:20:11,998 Speaker 1: people that he wanted as a manager. This is after 418 00:20:12,038 --> 00:20:14,798 Speaker 1: he fired A. J. Hinch and the general manager, Jeff 419 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:17,918 Speaker 1: lu Now, and he knew he needed somebody with experience. 420 00:20:17,958 --> 00:20:20,358 Speaker 1: That was priority number one. He needs somebody who had 421 00:20:20,398 --> 00:20:22,318 Speaker 1: been through the wars, had been through a lot of 422 00:20:22,398 --> 00:20:25,678 Speaker 1: ups and downs, and obviously Dusty is going to be 423 00:20:25,798 --> 00:20:29,078 Speaker 1: on that list with all his experience and wisdom and knowledge. 424 00:20:29,678 --> 00:20:31,638 Speaker 1: Jim Crane took him out to lunch. He said it 425 00:20:31,678 --> 00:20:33,118 Speaker 1: was a two and a half hour lunch and it 426 00:20:33,158 --> 00:20:35,558 Speaker 1: felt like ten minutes. He said, we connected. We had 427 00:20:35,598 --> 00:20:37,758 Speaker 1: a lot of things in common. And he said, when 428 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:41,038 Speaker 1: that lunch was over, I knew who my next manager was. 429 00:20:41,118 --> 00:20:43,838 Speaker 1: He called up Dusty the next day and he said, 430 00:20:44,358 --> 00:20:47,478 Speaker 1: you're my man. Let's go. And it couldn't have been 431 00:20:47,478 --> 00:20:49,518 Speaker 1: a better fit. And you saw the way I think 432 00:20:49,518 --> 00:20:52,718 Speaker 1: the players after the game responded, not just the winning 433 00:20:52,718 --> 00:20:56,318 Speaker 1: a championship for themselves, but winning for their manager and 434 00:20:56,398 --> 00:20:59,998 Speaker 1: that that's just a cool thing when that happens. Yeah, 435 00:20:59,998 --> 00:21:01,838 Speaker 1: when you get a buy total buying like that, it 436 00:21:01,878 --> 00:21:03,798 Speaker 1: really makes a big difference. There's gonna be a lot 437 00:21:03,838 --> 00:21:07,038 Speaker 1: of moments during the year when things don't go well. Uh, 438 00:21:07,078 --> 00:21:09,278 Speaker 1: sometimes a player needs to be picked up, sometimes a 439 00:21:09,358 --> 00:21:12,238 Speaker 1: manager needs to be picked up. And it just seemed 440 00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:14,518 Speaker 1: that they had each other's back from both sides, and 441 00:21:14,558 --> 00:21:16,718 Speaker 1: I was very obvious, and again I think it was 442 00:21:16,798 --> 00:21:21,318 Speaker 1: nurtured um obviously exactly when when Dusty came on board 443 00:21:21,398 --> 00:21:25,718 Speaker 1: during that particular moment and right his demeanor, his calm um, 444 00:21:25,758 --> 00:21:28,398 Speaker 1: his his his wisdom and he's got a ton of 445 00:21:28,438 --> 00:21:32,318 Speaker 1: that really benefited that group and it culminated in yesterday's win. 446 00:21:32,918 --> 00:21:35,238 Speaker 1: As long as we did bring up and it's okay 447 00:21:35,238 --> 00:21:37,118 Speaker 1: to talk about it now with Dusty. I guess two 448 00:21:37,158 --> 00:21:41,598 Speaker 1: thousand two games seven, five nothing, lead, seven ounts ago, 449 00:21:42,398 --> 00:21:46,598 Speaker 1: what's your memories of that night that game? Joe, Well, 450 00:21:46,678 --> 00:21:49,078 Speaker 1: it's almost you know, similar to a couple of years 451 00:21:49,078 --> 00:21:51,078 Speaker 1: ago when Snow came out of that game against the Dodgers. 452 00:21:51,158 --> 00:21:53,038 Speaker 1: We were happy he was taking Artiz out. We weren't 453 00:21:53,038 --> 00:21:56,198 Speaker 1: doing very well. Um and the other you have to consider, 454 00:21:56,238 --> 00:21:59,238 Speaker 1: remember two, this is an elimination game and it's hard 455 00:21:59,278 --> 00:22:01,598 Speaker 1: for teams to come back. You saw the looks on 456 00:22:01,638 --> 00:22:05,318 Speaker 1: the Philly Spaces after that home run yesterday by Alvarez, 457 00:22:05,478 --> 00:22:07,598 Speaker 1: and UM telling you, I've always had this talk with 458 00:22:07,638 --> 00:22:12,878 Speaker 1: my guys before playoff game situation even begins, that I'd 459 00:22:12,878 --> 00:22:14,758 Speaker 1: never want to see that look on our faces, this 460 00:22:14,878 --> 00:22:17,718 Speaker 1: resignation that it's over, that we can't fight back. So 461 00:22:17,878 --> 00:22:20,878 Speaker 1: I'm setting that up for the two thousand two Angels, 462 00:22:20,878 --> 00:22:22,758 Speaker 1: who were used to coming back and really had as 463 00:22:22,838 --> 00:22:25,558 Speaker 1: much grit as any team ever played on. So Dusty 464 00:22:25,638 --> 00:22:27,718 Speaker 1: goes out there, takes him out, and the guy that 465 00:22:27,798 --> 00:22:31,318 Speaker 1: ring in was at Rodriguez right uh right handed. Picture 466 00:22:31,398 --> 00:22:34,798 Speaker 1: really just through all fastballs and here comes Species and 467 00:22:35,238 --> 00:22:38,878 Speaker 1: that's perfect because Species only hit fastballs. So from our perspective, 468 00:22:38,918 --> 00:22:41,278 Speaker 1: we really liked that. But on the other hand, uh, 469 00:22:41,518 --> 00:22:44,678 Speaker 1: Dusty took the ball from Ortez and gave it to 470 00:22:44,758 --> 00:22:47,318 Speaker 1: him walking off the mountain. Are brilliant first Space coach 471 00:22:47,878 --> 00:22:50,518 Speaker 1: coach on Pharado Griffin saw this whole thing and brought 472 00:22:50,518 --> 00:22:53,118 Speaker 1: it to the dugout and that really stirred everybody up. 473 00:22:53,598 --> 00:22:56,398 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's one of those things. He brought this 474 00:22:56,438 --> 00:22:59,478 Speaker 1: guy in, and uh, I knew from our perspective because 475 00:22:59,478 --> 00:23:00,998 Speaker 1: I knew what I knew at that time, this was 476 00:23:01,038 --> 00:23:03,438 Speaker 1: the perfect matchup for Speece, So I was happy about that. 477 00:23:03,718 --> 00:23:05,438 Speaker 1: But then again, you still have to hit the baseball, 478 00:23:05,478 --> 00:23:08,118 Speaker 1: and that just opened the floodgates Earsty. And then Rob 479 00:23:08,158 --> 00:23:11,198 Speaker 1: Nin just wasn't himself at that time, So that particular 480 00:23:11,278 --> 00:23:14,318 Speaker 1: moment um, while you're dead in the water, the Skuy's 481 00:23:14,398 --> 00:23:16,238 Speaker 1: dominating and here all of a sudden, we get this 482 00:23:16,638 --> 00:23:19,478 Speaker 1: other opportunity. And then the ball goes over Reggie Sanders 483 00:23:19,518 --> 00:23:21,878 Speaker 1: heads and I'm run enough to take a to go 484 00:23:21,918 --> 00:23:25,158 Speaker 1: to the bathroom, and I went up there's uh cables 485 00:23:25,198 --> 00:23:27,558 Speaker 1: running for all across the hallway, a way all way 486 00:23:27,558 --> 00:23:30,358 Speaker 1: over to the Giants clubhouse, and that really upset us. 487 00:23:30,398 --> 00:23:34,118 Speaker 1: To Hey, by the way, I liked your observation about, 488 00:23:34,518 --> 00:23:38,638 Speaker 1: you know, elimination game where a team kind of is broken, right, 489 00:23:38,678 --> 00:23:41,678 Speaker 1: and sometimes you can see that. I saw that last 490 00:23:41,758 --> 00:23:45,038 Speaker 1: night as well with the Phillies, you know, because it 491 00:23:45,198 --> 00:23:48,038 Speaker 1: was in the Astro's park because the home run was 492 00:23:48,118 --> 00:23:51,558 Speaker 1: just not just important, it was monumental. It was a bomb. 493 00:23:52,478 --> 00:23:55,358 Speaker 1: And you have that Astro's bullpen as well. That game 494 00:23:55,398 --> 00:23:58,158 Speaker 1: felt like it was fourteen to one instead of four 495 00:23:58,198 --> 00:24:00,558 Speaker 1: to one. I kept looking at the scoreboard and saying, 496 00:24:00,598 --> 00:24:03,198 Speaker 1: there's three innings to go, and it's only a three 497 00:24:03,278 --> 00:24:06,318 Speaker 1: run game. But this game feels like it's over. And 498 00:24:06,358 --> 00:24:08,638 Speaker 1: I think if I recalled Joe, there was one time. 499 00:24:08,718 --> 00:24:10,518 Speaker 1: It might have been that same year, in two thousand 500 00:24:10,598 --> 00:24:12,318 Speaker 1: and two, or maybe it was five. You were playing 501 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:15,878 Speaker 1: the Yankees and you noticed that the Yankees were broken 502 00:24:15,918 --> 00:24:18,318 Speaker 1: when they were out on the field. That's where I 503 00:24:18,398 --> 00:24:20,518 Speaker 1: learned it. I learned it in two thousand and two. 504 00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:24,358 Speaker 1: Was the game five in Anaheim. We had to beat 505 00:24:24,438 --> 00:24:26,958 Speaker 1: him in New York. Game was over like one o'clock 506 00:24:26,958 --> 00:24:28,478 Speaker 1: in the morning or something like that. We had to 507 00:24:28,518 --> 00:24:30,998 Speaker 1: fly back to Anaheim the next day. You're right, it 508 00:24:31,078 --> 00:24:32,878 Speaker 1: was five. You're exactly right. It was five, because we 509 00:24:32,918 --> 00:24:35,118 Speaker 1: came back and we beat him the next day. And 510 00:24:35,118 --> 00:24:37,278 Speaker 1: and the latter part of the game, I'm looking out 511 00:24:37,318 --> 00:24:39,998 Speaker 1: there and uh, you could see you had him. You 512 00:24:40,078 --> 00:24:42,638 Speaker 1: had him. Um, there was just a there was not 513 00:24:42,798 --> 00:24:44,598 Speaker 1: that that normal fight. To look in their eyes was 514 00:24:44,678 --> 00:24:46,838 Speaker 1: just different. And I'm looking from the dugout out into 515 00:24:46,878 --> 00:24:49,238 Speaker 1: the Yankees into it with a bunch of really good players, 516 00:24:49,638 --> 00:24:51,918 Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, Wow, this is something I 517 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:54,518 Speaker 1: really have to pay attention to in the future, because 518 00:24:54,838 --> 00:24:57,038 Speaker 1: I just I never want that to be the look 519 00:24:57,158 --> 00:24:59,518 Speaker 1: on our team or my team at any point. So 520 00:24:59,558 --> 00:25:01,758 Speaker 1: I learned it and in that moment, and so I 521 00:25:01,758 --> 00:25:03,198 Speaker 1: would have, like I said, I would have that talk, 522 00:25:03,238 --> 00:25:05,838 Speaker 1: with that speech with my guys every year we went 523 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:08,358 Speaker 1: into the playoffs just for that particular moment that reason, 524 00:25:08,758 --> 00:25:10,838 Speaker 1: because it's tough, man, when you when you get to 525 00:25:10,878 --> 00:25:12,358 Speaker 1: that point and you have all this resolve, you have 526 00:25:12,358 --> 00:25:14,958 Speaker 1: this fight, you have the script all year, and in 527 00:25:15,038 --> 00:25:18,478 Speaker 1: a playoff bomb occurs something like that, Uh the Angels 528 00:25:18,478 --> 00:25:20,078 Speaker 1: Beach in New York and then come back the beach 529 00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:22,278 Speaker 1: in a five o'clock afternoon game, and I went the 530 00:25:22,318 --> 00:25:25,438 Speaker 1: sun and everybody's face. It's it's not easy to fight 531 00:25:25,438 --> 00:25:28,438 Speaker 1: through these moments. So I've always encouraged my guys to 532 00:25:28,478 --> 00:25:31,198 Speaker 1: be aware that no something bad's gonna happen and they're 533 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,118 Speaker 1: gonna have to fight back from it at some point. 534 00:25:33,118 --> 00:25:36,238 Speaker 1: In order to win this thing. Great observation. Hey, quick 535 00:25:36,238 --> 00:25:39,598 Speaker 1: break here and when we get back, I want to 536 00:25:39,638 --> 00:25:43,878 Speaker 1: talk to Joe about Dusty Baker's playlists. We'll do that 537 00:25:43,998 --> 00:25:53,478 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcasts. Joe, 538 00:25:54,158 --> 00:25:57,118 Speaker 1: now that we're done with the World Series, any final 539 00:25:57,198 --> 00:26:01,678 Speaker 1: thoughts you want to bring up about the World Series, 540 00:26:01,998 --> 00:26:04,478 Speaker 1: which is now in the history books. I did it. 541 00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:06,358 Speaker 1: I thought it did a lot of good for baseball. 542 00:26:06,438 --> 00:26:08,558 Speaker 1: I thought it was very entertaining. Uh, I thought, I 543 00:26:08,598 --> 00:26:10,758 Speaker 1: don't I don't know to what level was well watched, 544 00:26:10,758 --> 00:26:13,598 Speaker 1: but I thought it was interesting from my perspective. I know, 545 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,558 Speaker 1: I'm in Pennsylvania right now, so there's a lot of 546 00:26:15,558 --> 00:26:18,438 Speaker 1: Philly fans, and maybe I was influenced by all of that, 547 00:26:18,958 --> 00:26:22,678 Speaker 1: but I thought both teams represented really well, um everything 548 00:26:22,718 --> 00:26:24,638 Speaker 1: that had been talked about and for those that are 549 00:26:24,638 --> 00:26:27,398 Speaker 1: really trying to become baseball fans, the importance of pitching 550 00:26:27,958 --> 00:26:30,318 Speaker 1: and how the Astros were able to dominate based on 551 00:26:30,358 --> 00:26:33,638 Speaker 1: their starting pitching and bullpen, and where with the way 552 00:26:33,638 --> 00:26:35,478 Speaker 1: the format is set up, a team that only one's 553 00:26:35,518 --> 00:26:38,398 Speaker 1: eight seven games has a chance to possibly play in 554 00:26:38,398 --> 00:26:40,038 Speaker 1: the last game of the year and win it not 555 00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:43,358 Speaker 1: unlike what Atlanta did last year. I'm always concerned about 556 00:26:43,798 --> 00:26:45,358 Speaker 1: growing the game and how the game is going to 557 00:26:45,438 --> 00:26:48,398 Speaker 1: be grown in the interest and uh so, you're always 558 00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:52,718 Speaker 1: looking for good moments, good storylines, whether it's Schwerber, whether 559 00:26:52,718 --> 00:26:55,678 Speaker 1: it was Valdez, whether it was Christian Jabier bier Lander 560 00:26:55,718 --> 00:26:58,798 Speaker 1: getting his first one. Um, there's so many cool little things. 561 00:26:58,798 --> 00:27:02,598 Speaker 1: Albrez's bomb to to talk about. So that's that's my 562 00:27:02,918 --> 00:27:05,558 Speaker 1: thing about this in this time of the year. Whatever 563 00:27:05,558 --> 00:27:08,398 Speaker 1: we can do to put in showcase the game out there, 564 00:27:08,838 --> 00:27:12,118 Speaker 1: teach it, have people become more interested in it, really 565 00:27:12,478 --> 00:27:16,838 Speaker 1: of shape the participants and and and reporting them like 566 00:27:16,878 --> 00:27:19,438 Speaker 1: you did man with all the little uh vin yes 567 00:27:19,518 --> 00:27:20,718 Speaker 1: that you had you in the course of the game. 568 00:27:20,758 --> 00:27:23,558 Speaker 1: To me, that stuff is kind of cool. So anything, 569 00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:25,998 Speaker 1: anything possible. And I think this series is the kind 570 00:27:25,998 --> 00:27:29,038 Speaker 1: of series. I don't know, it's probably as close to 571 00:27:29,078 --> 00:27:31,558 Speaker 1: the Indians series as I've seen in a bit in 572 00:27:31,678 --> 00:27:33,998 Speaker 1: regards to entertainment and the fact that people wanted to 573 00:27:33,998 --> 00:27:36,638 Speaker 1: tune in because both times, both sides, both teams were 574 00:27:36,838 --> 00:27:40,398 Speaker 1: kind of charismatic, and that was my takeaway. Yeah, I 575 00:27:40,438 --> 00:27:42,678 Speaker 1: will double down on that as well. Joe well said, 576 00:27:42,758 --> 00:27:47,038 Speaker 1: because remember this year started with a lockout, and at 577 00:27:47,038 --> 00:27:49,358 Speaker 1: the end of the season we wound up talking about 578 00:27:49,638 --> 00:27:52,878 Speaker 1: the game. Baseball took over and it was great. And 579 00:27:52,918 --> 00:27:54,998 Speaker 1: I think a couple of things worked here. You had 580 00:27:55,038 --> 00:27:59,038 Speaker 1: the new format with the postseason expanding, one team added 581 00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,678 Speaker 1: to each league, and you saw baseball, I don't want 582 00:28:01,718 --> 00:28:03,878 Speaker 1: to say ReVibe, but really pick up interest and play. 583 00:28:04,038 --> 00:28:06,758 Speaker 1: Just like Philadelphia, which had the longest playoff drought in 584 00:28:06,758 --> 00:28:09,318 Speaker 1: the National League, we all know it's a great baseball town. 585 00:28:09,838 --> 00:28:12,758 Speaker 1: Seattle came back to life, Baltimore came back to life 586 00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:16,078 Speaker 1: to reach the postseason. But certainly a team to keep 587 00:28:16,118 --> 00:28:19,238 Speaker 1: your eye on going forward. So as you mentioned stars 588 00:28:19,278 --> 00:28:22,598 Speaker 1: shown in the postseason, guys like Bryce Harper and Justin 589 00:28:22,638 --> 00:28:26,158 Speaker 1: Burlander in the World Series, and other ones that you 590 00:28:26,198 --> 00:28:29,598 Speaker 1: didn't think he would be headliners, which always happens. Jeremy 591 00:28:29,598 --> 00:28:32,038 Speaker 1: Paineo winds up winning the Ale m v P and 592 00:28:32,918 --> 00:28:35,878 Speaker 1: the World Series m v P and won a Gold Glove. 593 00:28:35,918 --> 00:28:39,358 Speaker 1: It's pretty good for a rookie. So yeah, I think 594 00:28:39,358 --> 00:28:42,398 Speaker 1: it was a great show for baseball, very entertaining the games. 595 00:28:42,398 --> 00:28:44,718 Speaker 1: We had a no hitter in the World Series, a 596 00:28:44,798 --> 00:28:47,638 Speaker 1: five home run game, for the Phillies, just about every 597 00:28:47,678 --> 00:28:50,918 Speaker 1: game brought us something that was really cool. And speaking 598 00:28:50,918 --> 00:28:54,198 Speaker 1: of every game bringing us something every cool, I always 599 00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:57,598 Speaker 1: enjoy the daily visits with the managers before World Series 600 00:28:57,678 --> 00:29:00,838 Speaker 1: game and with Dusty Baker, of course it's always entertaining 601 00:29:01,318 --> 00:29:04,518 Speaker 1: and there's always some background music going on, So like 602 00:29:04,678 --> 00:29:08,238 Speaker 1: keeping score during a game, I would jot down what 603 00:29:08,358 --> 00:29:10,718 Speaker 1: was playing in his office each day when we visited, 604 00:29:10,838 --> 00:29:14,318 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a great window into kind of 605 00:29:14,358 --> 00:29:18,758 Speaker 1: the varied interests of Dusty Baker, right he first day. 606 00:29:18,918 --> 00:29:22,198 Speaker 1: Game one was Muddy Waters, I'm gonna listen to some blues. 607 00:29:23,158 --> 00:29:29,558 Speaker 1: Game two, Fleetwood Mac, Game three, Eric Clapton, Game four, 608 00:29:29,998 --> 00:29:35,518 Speaker 1: me goes hip Hop Group H five was Tupac and 609 00:29:35,638 --> 00:29:40,638 Speaker 1: six was Big Mama Thornton, who's saying the original version 610 00:29:40,678 --> 00:29:43,958 Speaker 1: of hound Dog, not Elvis Presley. So that's kind of 611 00:29:43,958 --> 00:29:48,478 Speaker 1: a window into our guy, Dusty, and just to treat 612 00:29:48,558 --> 00:29:50,678 Speaker 1: to spend time with him, and I know, Joe, you 613 00:29:50,718 --> 00:29:53,398 Speaker 1: can relate to the whole music scene and get yourself 614 00:29:53,438 --> 00:29:55,678 Speaker 1: in the in the right way before a game. Yeah, 615 00:29:55,678 --> 00:29:58,598 Speaker 1: he's uh eclectic. Compared to my start me up with 616 00:29:58,598 --> 00:30:01,758 Speaker 1: the Stones before every playoff game running two thousand and eight. 617 00:30:02,118 --> 00:30:04,558 Speaker 1: I love that about Dusty. I mean, I my my 618 00:30:04,918 --> 00:30:07,398 Speaker 1: taste buds are there, but I don't have the same 619 00:30:07,478 --> 00:30:10,878 Speaker 1: kind of mental cachet that he does. Knowing all these 620 00:30:10,918 --> 00:30:13,598 Speaker 1: different artists and where they had come from and and 621 00:30:13,638 --> 00:30:16,478 Speaker 1: the ability to just pull them up and probably know 622 00:30:16,598 --> 00:30:18,758 Speaker 1: the words of each song. I think that's outstanding. But 623 00:30:18,998 --> 00:30:21,198 Speaker 1: I knew you're gonna bring something up about that. So 624 00:30:21,398 --> 00:30:24,118 Speaker 1: being that it was in Texas for me with Dusty, um, 625 00:30:24,158 --> 00:30:27,638 Speaker 1: I went with zz Top. And the one thing about Dusty, 626 00:30:27,678 --> 00:30:29,998 Speaker 1: I've always studies a sharp dressed man, so I'm really 627 00:30:30,038 --> 00:30:33,198 Speaker 1: happy for him. I think zz Top and sharp dress 628 00:30:33,238 --> 00:30:36,398 Speaker 1: man truly fits Dusty in this particular moment. All the 629 00:30:36,438 --> 00:30:39,758 Speaker 1: different accolades is going to pick up this winner, all 630 00:30:39,758 --> 00:30:41,278 Speaker 1: the places he's gonna have to go and put a 631 00:30:41,318 --> 00:30:44,158 Speaker 1: suit on. Uh. He is a sharp dressed man and 632 00:30:44,158 --> 00:30:46,758 Speaker 1: I love him for all that. Very nice. So this 633 00:30:46,878 --> 00:30:49,398 Speaker 1: kind of wraps up at least our world series and 634 00:30:49,478 --> 00:30:54,198 Speaker 1: postseason episodes of the Book of Joe podcast. And remember 635 00:30:54,838 --> 00:30:58,838 Speaker 1: this is based on the book, the actual Book of Joe, 636 00:30:58,918 --> 00:31:01,718 Speaker 1: which you can buy wherever you buy your books, either 637 00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:05,918 Speaker 1: the audio version, which is great, or old school printed 638 00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:09,678 Speaker 1: version Uh and Joe. I know you've been traveling around 639 00:31:09,678 --> 00:31:11,678 Speaker 1: the country or at least a lot of different places 640 00:31:11,718 --> 00:31:16,598 Speaker 1: in via zoom um making appearances. Do you have anything 641 00:31:16,598 --> 00:31:18,838 Speaker 1: coming up on the calendar where people might want to 642 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:21,438 Speaker 1: check out a book signing or interview for the Book 643 00:31:21,438 --> 00:31:24,678 Speaker 1: of Joe. Yeah, surely, thank you. Friday November eleventh, at 644 00:31:24,718 --> 00:31:26,598 Speaker 1: from four to six pm, I'm going to be at 645 00:31:26,598 --> 00:31:29,078 Speaker 1: the Hazelton One Community Center here in Hazelton. That's where 646 00:31:29,118 --> 00:31:32,158 Speaker 1: a project is located. That's to to five East fourth 647 00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:35,278 Speaker 1: Street in Hazelton. So that's Friday, November eleventh at four 648 00:31:35,318 --> 00:31:38,878 Speaker 1: to six and then the next night, November twelve, Saturday, 649 00:31:38,918 --> 00:31:42,758 Speaker 1: at Bookends Bookstore in Ridgewood, New Jersey. It's two eleven 650 00:31:42,798 --> 00:31:45,558 Speaker 1: East Ridgewood Avenue and Ridgewood, New Jersey, And that's from 651 00:31:45,598 --> 00:31:48,558 Speaker 1: six to seven thirty my Root College Room. Make Danny 652 00:31:48,598 --> 00:31:51,038 Speaker 1: Healey is probably going to be in attendance. And then 653 00:31:51,158 --> 00:31:53,478 Speaker 1: on Wednesday in November six, I'm going to be in 654 00:31:53,558 --> 00:31:57,038 Speaker 1: Chicago Union League Club of Chicago. The event is UM 655 00:31:57,158 --> 00:31:58,958 Speaker 1: because it's kind of a luncheon and it starts at 656 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:02,598 Speaker 1: eleven thirty and that's gonna be followed by Anderson's Bookshop 657 00:32:02,798 --> 00:32:05,198 Speaker 1: at six fifteen the same day, so that would be 658 00:32:05,238 --> 00:32:08,398 Speaker 1: again the same day being Wednesday, November six and that's 659 00:32:08,398 --> 00:32:10,758 Speaker 1: in Chicago. Also going to be part of an autograph 660 00:32:10,838 --> 00:32:13,758 Speaker 1: show there on November eighteen, up, big, big autograph show 661 00:32:13,758 --> 00:32:16,158 Speaker 1: in Chicago going to be there. Um, I can't remember 662 00:32:16,158 --> 00:32:17,998 Speaker 1: exactly what it is, but I know you could find 663 00:32:17,998 --> 00:32:20,358 Speaker 1: that easily. So it's kind of busy. You're right, been 664 00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:23,118 Speaker 1: on a lot of zoomers and uh different kind of 665 00:32:23,118 --> 00:32:25,318 Speaker 1: interviews that's been outstanding. And yesterday I did a signing 666 00:32:25,358 --> 00:32:27,278 Speaker 1: up at Barnes and Noble. I just want you to 667 00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:28,918 Speaker 1: know we did a nice job of selling some books 668 00:32:28,958 --> 00:32:31,158 Speaker 1: up there was a great crowd, So I really I do, 669 00:32:31,238 --> 00:32:34,398 Speaker 1: and I know you do appreciate everybody that's been purchasing 670 00:32:34,398 --> 00:32:37,198 Speaker 1: these books. And we've got a lot of great feedback 671 00:32:37,238 --> 00:32:39,558 Speaker 1: about it. And I also want to thank I Heart 672 00:32:39,638 --> 00:32:42,758 Speaker 1: Radio for giving us us this platform, Vince to put 673 00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:45,718 Speaker 1: all these messages out there that everything kind of dovetails 674 00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:47,438 Speaker 1: into what we've been talking about here for the last 675 00:32:47,438 --> 00:32:49,478 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and regard to what's in the book, 676 00:32:49,478 --> 00:32:52,118 Speaker 1: and Tom has done a wonderful job of bringing that 677 00:32:52,198 --> 00:32:54,958 Speaker 1: all together and finally, tom thank you. I mean Tommy's 678 00:32:54,958 --> 00:32:57,518 Speaker 1: the guy that's directed me through all of this, and 679 00:32:57,758 --> 00:32:59,598 Speaker 1: I would not be able to do either the book 680 00:32:59,758 --> 00:33:02,318 Speaker 1: or this particular podcast without his guidance. So I really 681 00:33:02,318 --> 00:33:05,198 Speaker 1: want to appreciate all your expert tease and friendship to 682 00:33:05,238 --> 00:33:07,918 Speaker 1: listen saying for me, the crew behind us has been 683 00:33:07,998 --> 00:33:11,518 Speaker 1: outstanding both and putting the book together and the podcast. 684 00:33:11,678 --> 00:33:14,438 Speaker 1: And and I think you think like me, Joe, you 685 00:33:14,478 --> 00:33:16,758 Speaker 1: only want to do something to the highest quality, and 686 00:33:16,878 --> 00:33:20,598 Speaker 1: it takes literally a team. And our names are on 687 00:33:20,638 --> 00:33:23,798 Speaker 1: the podcast, our names are on the book cover. But 688 00:33:24,118 --> 00:33:27,198 Speaker 1: there's many people who contributed to the final product that 689 00:33:27,238 --> 00:33:31,958 Speaker 1: hopefully you enjoy, either book version or podcast. And uh, 690 00:33:32,358 --> 00:33:34,398 Speaker 1: just a little bit worried about your golf game, Joe, 691 00:33:34,438 --> 00:33:37,638 Speaker 1: with all these appearances. Hopefully it's don't be, don't be. No, 692 00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:39,638 Speaker 1: it's getting better. Don't be. It's down with seven one 693 00:33:39,638 --> 00:33:42,118 Speaker 1: on the on the handicap thing. Okay, So next time 694 00:33:42,158 --> 00:33:44,198 Speaker 1: we play, you're giving me strokes, I hope. So I 695 00:33:44,238 --> 00:33:45,718 Speaker 1: would love to. I would love to be able to 696 00:33:45,718 --> 00:33:47,398 Speaker 1: give you strokes. I would love to be able to 697 00:33:47,398 --> 00:33:50,118 Speaker 1: be in that position, absolutely, And who knows if there's 698 00:33:50,238 --> 00:33:53,198 Speaker 1: enough demand out there. Maybe we'll come back with some 699 00:33:53,398 --> 00:33:56,638 Speaker 1: uh special episodes of the Book of Joe podcast. What 700 00:33:56,718 --> 00:33:58,838 Speaker 1: do you think I'm in? Man? I I'm very much 701 00:33:58,878 --> 00:34:00,878 Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed this and it and it helps 702 00:34:00,918 --> 00:34:03,878 Speaker 1: me mentally to stay focused and really follow the game 703 00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:07,158 Speaker 1: more closely. Just the exchange. I'm always into the exchange 704 00:34:07,158 --> 00:34:09,038 Speaker 1: of the conversation. I think it's a big part of this. 705 00:34:09,638 --> 00:34:12,838 Speaker 1: We've talked about that, the the trying not to be perfect. 706 00:34:12,838 --> 00:34:17,598 Speaker 1: That perfection is a boring concept because conversations and controversy 707 00:34:17,598 --> 00:34:19,798 Speaker 1: in a sense and Sue and that's good, that's good 708 00:34:19,798 --> 00:34:21,598 Speaker 1: for the game. It's good, like even to talk about 709 00:34:21,638 --> 00:34:24,678 Speaker 1: whether or not Robbie should have brought his relief picture 710 00:34:24,998 --> 00:34:27,678 Speaker 1: or Lee Wheeler in last night, and of course that's good. 711 00:34:27,838 --> 00:34:30,358 Speaker 1: That's that's that's good to create that conversation, whether you 712 00:34:30,358 --> 00:34:32,838 Speaker 1: agree with it or not. And that's what creates interest 713 00:34:32,878 --> 00:34:34,798 Speaker 1: in our game. And it needs to be more of 714 00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:39,158 Speaker 1: that bar room kind of a thing with civility also. 715 00:34:39,278 --> 00:34:41,238 Speaker 1: That's a big part of it too that I um, 716 00:34:41,638 --> 00:34:43,758 Speaker 1: I would like to be able to promote well said, 717 00:34:43,838 --> 00:34:46,238 Speaker 1: because I that's one of the reasons, many reasons why 718 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:49,118 Speaker 1: I enjoy the conversations with you, because it's never about 719 00:34:49,238 --> 00:34:52,878 Speaker 1: just sticking out a position and stubbornly sticking to it. 720 00:34:53,158 --> 00:34:55,638 Speaker 1: We have way too much of that in the world today. 721 00:34:56,638 --> 00:35:01,118 Speaker 1: It's about offering an opinion and listening and maybe here's 722 00:35:01,118 --> 00:35:04,758 Speaker 1: something that challenges your position, and may be you double 723 00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:06,678 Speaker 1: down your position or it moves you off it, but 724 00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:10,758 Speaker 1: at least you are considerate of the other way of 725 00:35:10,798 --> 00:35:13,758 Speaker 1: looking at something. It's all about perspective. So thank you 726 00:35:13,798 --> 00:35:16,798 Speaker 1: for that. Joe, could I could I conclude with one 727 00:35:16,798 --> 00:35:19,598 Speaker 1: thought right here? Please do ah. This is something I 728 00:35:19,638 --> 00:35:22,518 Speaker 1: got from Johnny Vandamuro's reading, and this is outstanding and 729 00:35:22,598 --> 00:35:25,318 Speaker 1: it really uh kind of sums up this this uh, 730 00:35:25,518 --> 00:35:29,398 Speaker 1: this baseball season, in this World Series event. Kids are 731 00:35:29,438 --> 00:35:32,918 Speaker 1: always chasing rainbows, but baseball is a world where you 732 00:35:32,958 --> 00:35:36,878 Speaker 1: can catch them. And that's what just occurred. Beautiful, nice 733 00:35:36,918 --> 00:35:38,878 Speaker 1: way to end it. So if it is the end 734 00:35:39,398 --> 00:35:42,198 Speaker 1: or not, hopefully we'll see it down the road somewhere somehow. 735 00:35:42,398 --> 00:35:44,838 Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, Thank you Tommy, and thanks Vincent. Thanks I 736 00:35:44,958 --> 00:36:00,758 Speaker 1: heart appreciate it man, good stuff. The Book of Joe 737 00:36:00,878 --> 00:36:03,878 Speaker 1: podcast is a production of I Heart Radio. For more 738 00:36:03,958 --> 00:36:07,318 Speaker 1: podcast from my Heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio, app, 739 00:36:07,398 --> 00:36:10,398 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.