1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's New Year's Day, starting 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: a brand new year for so many of us. We 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: have our families that are so extremely blessed, but the 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: reality is is that the search goes on for missing children. 5 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's take a look at 6 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: just three of those many, many missing children in the 7 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: hopes that this year is the year they will be 8 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: brought home. Starting with a beautiful little girl named Serenity. Listen. 9 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Authorities in Rockerville are searching for a nine year old 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: girl who went missing earlier today. Nine year old Serenity 11 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Dinner was last spotted leaving the Children's Home Society on 12 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road around eleven twenty this morning. Dinner it 13 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: is seven is four seven ninety pounds, with blue eyes 14 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: and shoulder length, dirty blonde hair. She was last seen 15 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: wearing a long sleeved gray shirt with flowers, blue jeans 16 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: and snow boots. Temperatures are expected to drop below zero tonight. 17 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: If anyone has any information regarding her whereabouts, please contact 18 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the Penson County Sheriff's Office. What happened to Serenity? You 19 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend Nick Reagan at Kota TV 20 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: this beautiful nine year old little girl in South Dakota 21 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: runs away and freezing temps without a coat. First of all, 22 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: why didn't anyone go after her? What are the facts 23 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: surrounding her disappearance? Who is she with now? What has 24 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: become of serenity? Joining me an all star panel to 25 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again? First 26 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: of all. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: and host of Today with Doctor Wendy on kBq. You 28 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Doctor 29 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta Juristiction. 30 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. 31 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Former police chief John's Creek twenty five years on the force, 32 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: now PI and polygrapher at Chris Bayer's Investigations and polygraph 33 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Daphne Young is joining us today, VP of 34 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Communications and Prevention Education at Childhelp dot org. Very Dear 35 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: to my Heart, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of 36 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a brand 37 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: new hit Poison US Liaisons on the Street Crime Network 38 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to Ray Kiputo, lead news 39 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: anchor Wdbo. Ray, Let's start with you, how does this 40 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: little girl just water off and nobody figures it out 41 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: until it's too late, Nancy. She was at the Black 42 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Hills Children Home in South Dakota. That's close to a 43 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: little town called Rockerville. And you know, not Rushmore is 44 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: in the area, rapid cities in the area. It was 45 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: a really remote area, very familiar. Ray. It's beautiful country. 46 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: Remember I just took the twins on an RV trip. 47 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: We camped all around that area. Beautiful but deadly. Go ahead. Absolutely, 48 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: the terrain there is rough, but the weather there this 49 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: time of year. All the time of year it happened 50 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: was Super Bowl Sunday, February second, so the weather was 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: about thirty six degrees outside. But the little girl just 52 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: opened up a gymnasium door and walked out. You know, 53 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a distraction, but heard 54 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: another child had distracted one of the caretakers in the gym, 55 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: and then she made her getaway. You know, I want 56 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: to examine what Ray Kiputo has just told us, and 57 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest from 58 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: Childhelp dot Org who has Childhelp has been our partner 59 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: for so many years, since we first launched crime Stories 60 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 1: and crime online dot com. Childhelp dot Org was there 61 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: in the thick of it, joining me, Daphne Young from 62 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: childhelp dot Org. Not that he's wrong, He's always right 63 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: with his facts everything Ray Kaputo said, but it was 64 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: also all wrong in a larger sense. So a little 65 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: girl age nine has run away before, and what do 66 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: they do sticker in a home for children where she 67 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: runs away? And and they don't have a protocol for this? 68 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I always say, when you don't 69 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: know a horse, look at a strike record. If this 70 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: child has run away from home before, and I'm curious 71 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: why so far? You know, my children have not run 72 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: away from home. I threatened to run away from home, 73 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: but never did. Of course I changed my mind when 74 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: it got to be supper time. Why did this little 75 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: girl run from her home? Would be my first question? 76 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: And why is the answer to that to stick her 77 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: in a children's home? Where is she then predictably runs away? 78 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: She's only ninety years old. I don't know what she's 79 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: running from, but I do know that there should be 80 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: protocols in place to keep a child from running out 81 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: the door on Super Bowl Sunday of all times. Well, 82 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Nancy's Serenity, first of all, is a really tough name 83 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: to deal with, right because that name means calm and 84 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: peaceful and untroubled. And that's the antithesis of missing child, 85 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: the opposite feeling of caretakers who can't sleep because they 86 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: don't know where she is. And it's the opposite feeling 87 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: the little girl that's running for her life. And it 88 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: hits so hard at Child Help because we have residential 89 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: treatment facilities. You know about them, Nancy, the Child Help villages. 90 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: They're isolated their natural environments, they receive equin therapy, they hike, 91 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: a ride, bikes, fish. These are such safe places to heal, 92 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: but they're remote. And in our work, a little girl 93 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: like that's called a runner and she's just a little 94 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: hurting heart who's acting out. She's in crisis. We know 95 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that that child was prone to self harm. And we 96 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: see children like Serenity all the time and something happens 97 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: to them that makes them run from their pain. And 98 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: what breaks my heart is there's a protocol that you 99 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: have to have in place to prepare for runners. So 100 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: when we have a child that's identified as a potential runaway. 101 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: We set a whole procedure ahead of time. We determine 102 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: it on the age, eyes, behavioral developmental lotifles child. We 103 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: consider it a runaway plan, and if that child runs, 104 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: our senior staff and duty officer are immediately notified. If 105 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: the child is in sight, we follow it close distance, 106 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: but do not intervene physically. We don't lock the child away, 107 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: but we do intervene in case of danger, if she's 108 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: coming to a precipice or a quiff. But what we 109 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: do if in thirty minutes that child has not been 110 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: found and we are not following the child, and a 111 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: child has gone missing on a property, the sheriff is 112 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: notified and we take care of all the paperwork afterwards. 113 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: Right in that moment, it's fine the child, you know what, 114 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: Daphne Young joining me from child Help dot Org. Why 115 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: why why couldn't you be everywhere at once? Why couldn't 116 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: you be there today? This little girl runs away. I'm 117 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: just thinking about my daughter, Daphne, my little Lucy I Bendela. 118 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, she was just twelve years 119 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: old and she's very slight. Her brother is now six feet. 120 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: He's been six feet since he was eleven. But she 121 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: is very thin, bedelicate, little hands and feet, very slight, 122 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking about her running and nobody is 123 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: following her. They're so much wrong with this scenario. Take 124 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: a listen to Alexia Davila Kota Muddy ATVs and command 125 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: center radios are the tools behind Wednesday search for nine 126 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: year old Serenity Dinard. Tp Golds Road in Rockerville was 127 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: closed as eighty searchers from local fire and law enforcement 128 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: departments headed out looking for the girl. The search was 129 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: originally scheduled for Saturday, but the nice weather gave the 130 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: search team ahead start. We've always been watching the weather 131 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: and the snow melt to determine when we would get 132 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: into the woods again, to maximize time we're spending in 133 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: the woods, which also has coming up here when it 134 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: was all snow covered and you can't get people around 135 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: and you get people hurt. So we were waiting for 136 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: the right opportunity. In addition to searching on foot, a 137 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: helicopter and two canine units from the Northern Hills joined 138 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: the effort. I spoke to one man from the command 139 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: center who says each of the searchers has a bag 140 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: of food and water because they don't plan to take 141 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: any lunch break today. Rapid City Police Chief car Jegars 142 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: remains hopeful, most likely that she is still in this proximity. However, 143 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: we can't rule anything out, so while we continue the search, 144 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: we also have a parallel investigation ongoing, and both of 145 00:09:46,040 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: those efforts will continue until she is located. Time Stories 146 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,359 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance 147 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: of a beautiful young nine year old girl. Why does 148 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: she run? I don't know, I'd like to know, But 149 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: what I want to know more than that is where 150 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: is she now and why she wasn't followed immediately. We're 151 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: talking about Serenity Dinar, just nine years old, missing in 152 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: South Dakota. Take a listen to our friend Stewart Huntington, 153 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Black Hills, Fox, South Dakota. At ten forty five am Sunday, 154 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Serenity was in the gym at the Black Hills Children's 155 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Home with two staffers and three other kids. One kid 156 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: caused a disturbance and the staffer attended to that child. 157 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: Serenity then ran out of the building. The other staffer 158 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: stayed with the two other children at eleven am. Serenity 159 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: is last seen walking near the home at twelve twenty 160 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: six pm and nine one one call goes out and 161 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Pennington County Sheriff's deputy arrives at twelve forty six. By 162 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: one sixteen, several deputies are on scene and the decision 163 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: is made to bring in search and rescue. Joining me, 164 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: Ray Kimputer, Lead Knews anchor w DBO. Ray, did you 165 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: hear that timeline from Stuart Huntington at Black Hills Fox 166 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: ten forty five? Little Serenity was in the gym with 167 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: two adult staffers. One other child did something caused some disturbance, 168 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: and Serenity ran out of the building. Why why didn't 169 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: you run out of the building? But the two staffers 170 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: didn't follow well, neither one. One of the staffers was 171 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: chasing one of the kids who caused the distraction. The 172 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: other one had had looked and saw her running away. 173 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: But but you're right, is they didn't chase her. It 174 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: seems like they weren't ready for this now. But the 175 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: weather side was about thirty six degrees, it was a 176 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: little Can I just Ray, Can I just get you 177 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: to look at the timeline with me? That was at 178 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: ten forty five. Then she's seen outside at eleven am 179 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: walking near the home. That's fifteen minutes later she spotted, 180 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: but they do nothing. Finally, an hour and a half 181 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: later they call nine one one. Do I understand the 182 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: timeline correctly? Right? Computer eighty minutes went by from the 183 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: time that she left at the time that the staff 184 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: called nine one one out. They weren't looking for but 185 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: they had issues with their walkie talkies and proper communication. 186 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't really a thorough search, and because of that, 187 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,119 Speaker 1: the little girl got away. To Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 188 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and the host of Today with 189 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy on k c b Q. You can find 190 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Wendy, there's so 191 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: much wrong with what's happening here at this two ldren's home. Yeah, 192 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: that's absolutely right, Nancy. I mean, as soon as a 193 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: child runs, the search and rescue should be on because 194 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: every precious second counts. We know that, Nancy, because all 195 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: the cases you cover where this type of thing unfortunately happens. 196 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Every minute is precious, just as young Serenity's life is precious. 197 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: We want to believe she's still alive, and that's one 198 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: of the reasons why she should have been followed immediately. 199 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: She didn't walk away, she ran, and that is one 200 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: of the facts in this timeline, Nancy, that is so important. 201 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: The timeline that Ray Kaputo just gave us means that 202 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: they did know what time she left, and that now 203 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: one wont to be called so far afterwards, you know, 204 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, Doctor Angela Arnold renounced psychiatrists joining us at 205 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Jurisdiction Angela Arnold MD dot com. I know 206 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: that I'm overprotective. I understand that I'm that way for 207 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: a reason. I'm a crime victim. I finally have children 208 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: late in life, and I will be damn d if 209 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: I let anything happen to them. Right, Okay, that's just 210 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: not on my watch now. I started it really hard 211 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: to believe that this child in my world is out 212 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: of their vision, out of their knowledge of where she 213 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: is for an hour and a half and they're not worried. 214 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: Just here, Ray Kapedo, say how cold it is outside? 215 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Aren't they worried? I can't understand how they couldn't be worried. 216 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say this, but it sounds like, 217 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like they don't even care. That's 218 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: what it sounds like to anybody outside. And also they've 219 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: been entrusted in her care. I'm sure the parents are 220 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: paying an awful lot of money for her to be there. 221 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: There's always that how could they not be concerned, even 222 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: from a legal standpoint, that they that they've lost this 223 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: little girl? You know what're you're so right, You're so 224 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: right about that. So many things to take into account 225 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: And to Chief Chris Buyer's former police chief John's Creek 226 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: now at Chris Buyers Investigations and polygraph dot Com, we 227 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: know that with every minute a child is missing, it 228 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: hurts the investigation. Just say she's in a car, that 229 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: somebody saw her on the side of the street and 230 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: grabbed her, which is I think a very distinct possibility 231 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: in this case. Every minute you got is another mile 232 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: if you go sixty miles an hour, And in those 233 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: first three hours, they're critical, Chief Buyers. Why they're so 234 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: critical because, I mean, those are the moments that you've got, 235 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: like you know, you're talking an hour and a half 236 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: year before law enforcement arrives. So the first thing they're 237 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: having to do is figure out how far could she 238 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: have gotten because they're wanting to put the perimeter there 239 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: and make it the proper size. Those moments are critical 240 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: because you're looking for I mean, you heard the chief 241 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: earlier in this says that they had two investigations going. 242 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: They had the search investigation going, but they also had 243 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a criminal investigation going. Where at that point, you're looking 244 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: for you know, sexual predators in the area. You're getting 245 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: to their house. As you're going house to house searching, 246 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: you're checking you know, traffic cameras to see any of 247 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the vehicles that were in the area, any tag readers, 248 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: doing interviews quickly because you've got a very small time 249 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: frame before harm can come to this child and you 250 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: need to get the resources in the right place quickly. 251 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: And waiting an hour and I have to call now 252 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: on one is just absolutely absurd. In this case, I 253 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: just think about this child potentially alive and someone's home. 254 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: What is happening to the child? Is she dead or alive? 255 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: If she's alive, who has her? Take a listen to 256 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Alexis de Villa with Black Hills Fox more than a 257 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: year and a half later and the whereabouts of Serenity 258 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: Denard are still up in the air despite the extensive 259 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: search from local and surrounding states law enforcement. That's why 260 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: the Gentries want a new set of eyes on the case. 261 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: We need somebody that isn't familiar with all of Serenity's family, 262 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: her friends. She has a very extensive family. Though the 263 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: Gentries made this decision together, Brian says Chad Denard, Serenity's 264 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: adoptive father, has reached out to the private investigator and 265 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: expects other family members to do so in the coming days. 266 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: It's not going to go cold. We won't allow that. 267 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: We've said that from the very beginning, and Darcy and 268 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: I did put this together after a lengthy conversation with 269 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: the investigator, that this was the right answer at this time. 270 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: The tipline regarding Serenity Denard six zero five three nine 271 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: four six to one one five repeat six five three 272 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: nine four six one one five. Let's turn our attention 273 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: to another missing child in the host that this will 274 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: be the year she's brought home a lot. I take 275 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: a listen. My name is Melissa kusse Um. If you're 276 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: gonna watch this video, please do not have the kids around. 277 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: Carly Lane Bussey is missing still she's been missing since 278 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: breathe m. She's been missing since six thirty am. The 279 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: last time that I spoke to her was by thirty. 280 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: She didn't take her cell phone. We're coming up on 281 00:18:44,359 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: ten hours crime stories with Nancy Grace the heartbreak, and 282 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: this mother's voice is raw and right at the surface 283 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: of every word she says. Melissa, you say, this is 284 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: carly stepmother taking to the airwaves to beg for help 285 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: finding her daughter. Straight out to Ray Kippeter, lead news 286 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: anchor w DBO, Ray, what happened, Well, this young girl, 287 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: she was She's living in California, and she had done 288 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: what a lot of kids do. She was going to 289 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: go out to a football game, or so her parents thought, 290 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: and she ended up going to a party. Carly was 291 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: off that night. According to her boyfriend Donald, she had 292 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: started to experience like delusional type of behavior. Said she 293 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: was afraid of the music and started to direct some 294 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: of that paranoia towards him. So being alarmed, you know, 295 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: he's kind of keeping a close eye on her, and 296 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: she basically says, I don't know where she wants to leave, 297 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: and in theio ratic behavior that Nancy something completely out 298 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: of the ordinary. So let me understand this, Ray Kiputero, 299 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: she starts at once she gets to this after the 300 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: game party, she starts acting oddly, as you said, paranoid 301 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. Sounds to me like 302 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: something slipped, Someone slipped her something in her drink. Yeah, 303 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: that is certainly a possibility you would need to entertain 304 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: if you're an investigator when you're trying to determine. So 305 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: what do we need to do first? Well, everybody that 306 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: was in her proximity at this party, they need to 307 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: be locked down, Nancy, statements need to be taken from 308 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: these are any kind of bad actors in this environment? 309 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: Is everybody's got a history of doing things like this, 310 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, trying to slip something into somebody's strength, you know, 311 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: where they're trying to take advantage of someone, particularly a 312 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: young girl like this. So if you suddenly, let's just 313 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: say that suddenly, you know, she suddenly acts out in this, 314 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: you know, as he described in a paranoid way, whereas 315 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: you have no history of this kind of behavior. Now, 316 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: this is something that'd been ongoing and developing for a 317 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: protracted period of time. I'd say, yeah, maybe it's some 318 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: kind of mental problem, but just suddenly to start like this, 319 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of an odd, odd bench. More. Take a 320 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: listen to more of Melissa. You say, it's going on 321 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: ten hours that she's been missing, and I want to 322 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: put this on blast because I don't think she's out 323 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: in the desert. I think that she could have been 324 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: abducted or taken, because we do live by a highway 325 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: and it happens. And I'm being real and I just 326 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: want to let everybody know, Alicia, you're calling me, are 327 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: you watching the video? She's not watching the video. That's okay. 328 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: I want to put this on blast because I don't 329 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: know what to do to consider her a missing person. 330 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: You can't do an Amberler because she didn't leave in 331 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: a car, and I don't have a physical description of 332 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: a view cool. Now here comes a very significant inconsistency. 333 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Melissa Goose seven, about one hundred 334 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes and the cutest 335 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: little nose and a great smile, and her hair goes 336 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: all the way down past her like to her belly 337 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: you let's say midwaiste. And she left in her jeans 338 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: and a T shirt. So I'm pointing out there and 339 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: just go for it. Everybody help me out here. I 340 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: love you all. Everybody, please watch share your friends share, 341 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: my friends share. Everybody's just shared the out of it. 342 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: All right, thank you. Now we're hearing the last known 343 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: clothing in a physical description. But then listen to what 344 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: Melissa you say tails now mate, your Facebook lite, you 345 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: said that she was wearing jeans. I think, yeah, I 346 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: only said that because she always wears her skinny jeans, 347 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: So I just assumed that she had her skinny jeans on. 348 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Would she have worn blue jeans to bed? I had 349 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: picked her up and she had her skinny jeans on? 350 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: I know, But I mean when you were in bed 351 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: with her at five forty five am, did she still 352 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: have on her jeans? No? Okay, So yeah, a T 353 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: shirt and just her underwear. Okay, let me understand because 354 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: in the Facebook live, I'm trying to get the description 355 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: of what she had on the last time you saw 356 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: her out there. So in the Facebook last time I 357 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: saw her in our home, she only had a T 358 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: shirt and her undergarment. Okay. Then that Facebook live that 359 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: she blasted out saying look for her in the skinny jeans. 360 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: What what are we supposed to do with that? Yeah, 361 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: that's not right. Well, yeah, I was in a panic. 362 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: Now before we give nefarious intentions on the stepmother, if 363 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: the now I understand, Ray Kiputo, the daughter wasn't last 364 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: saying running down the street with a boyfriend. She had 365 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: been picked up by her stepmother and brought back home, 366 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: and the stepmom had gotten in bed with her. It 367 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: was around five am in the morning. But then she 368 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: goes missing, so the stepmom probably assumes she had put 369 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: on her skinny jeans and went missing. It's a lot 370 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: different from being paranoid at a party. This young girl 371 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: goes missing from her own home. Am I correct, Ray Kiputo? Yes, 372 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: who are Nancy? That's exactly what happened. She wasn't missing 373 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: from She wouldn't missing right out of her own bed, 374 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: you know. And you figured that everything that had happened 375 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: that night, you know, is there's so much could have 376 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: went wrong. But this young girl found herself safely back 377 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: at home, and that's really where a lot of this 378 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: tragedy started. Straight to Daphne Young, VP of Communication is 379 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: a prevention education and one of our longtime partners Childhelp 380 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: DOT org Daphne, what do you make of This is 381 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: a complex case because you have this young woman who 382 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: comes home and I believe there's a little piece of 383 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: the story where her mother films her stepmother films her 384 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: or records her in some way I guess in a 385 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: parental sense, wanting to play that back to her. Right, Listen, 386 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: how you sounded? Did you take drugs? You know, a 387 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: parent might do that to try to teach a lesson. 388 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: But one of the things that we do at Childhelp 389 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: is we do forensic interviews, and when we're dealing with 390 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: families and crisis at one of our advocacy centers, one 391 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: of the things we look for is inconsistencies and stories. 392 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: We have a big social media presence here and it 393 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: can be a great tool to help spread the words, 394 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: but it can also spread disinformation. It can be used 395 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: as a tool to try to perhaps plead or make 396 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: your case, and sometimes can even hamper law enforcement efforts. 397 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on here above and beyond 398 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: what happened at that party, And my concern is what 399 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: happened at that house that night. Now, there were reports 400 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: that Carly Gusset was recognized at White Mountain Estate Road 401 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: Route six on Mono County, California. But take a listen 402 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: to our friend Ryan Cannaday katiev N. It's been two 403 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: years since a Mono County teenager disappeared, and the FBI 404 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: and Mono County investigators are still looking for her. Carly 405 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: Gousse disappeared from Bishop, California on October thirteenth and twenty eighteen. 406 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: FBI investigators say she left her home in the morning 407 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: and then left her things behind, including her cell phone. 408 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: In a video released by the FBI today, Gousse's father 409 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: said he'd give anything to see her again. I'd give 410 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: my whole body, old body and soul. I'd give it 411 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: all up just to have her home. Say. The tip 412 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: line in the search for Carly, you say is nine 413 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: one six seven four to six seven thousand. Repeat nine 414 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: one six seven four six seven thousand. Crime Stories with 415 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Will this be the year that another little 416 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: girl finds her way home? Little two year old Mara 417 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: Lewis listen, passionate please from the father of a missing 418 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: two year old. Just imagine the pain of a loved 419 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: one being gone, and just for her to come home. 420 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: We would love to have her home. Family members say 421 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: they think someone kidnapped baby Mara. The toddler disappeared Saturday 422 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: morning after her mother says she left her with her 423 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: older sisters, but when she came back, the two year 424 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: old was gone. We pray that they will have the 425 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: compassion and love to release her, whether she take They 426 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: take her to a police department or to Wow wherever 427 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: you need to take her to this so you can 428 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: be home. Gregory Lewis is the girl's father. He says 429 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: he noticed Mara missing around noon, but he says his 430 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: other kids told him Mara was with their mother. They 431 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: only realized she was gone when his wife came home 432 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: around three PM. That's when family members began a frantic 433 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: search all around the house. At four pm, they called 434 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: nine one one, you were hearing our friend and Tammy 435 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: Esther at Channel sixteen wapt straight out to Ray Kippet, 436 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: a lady news anchor WDBA, what happened, Well, little Myers, 437 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: she's two years old. She's playing on in front of 438 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: her house like a lot of kids do, and it 439 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: seems like there was this communication between the parents. Nancy. 440 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: We hear about this when we hear these tragic hot 441 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: card dusts where parents to space, but it seemed like 442 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: this case, maybe it was a little less irresponsible. Mom 443 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: thought that the little girl was with dad in the house. 444 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Dad thought that the little girl was with mom, and 445 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: before they know what, hours have passed and this precious 446 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: little two year old girls missing. I don't quite understand 447 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: the confusion about what happened. The FBI offering a twenty 448 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward in the search for a two year 449 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: old girl who seemingly vanishes into thin air. She goes 450 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: missing near the families Camden, Mississippi home. Joining me an 451 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it 452 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, to you, Daphne Young, 453 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: VP Communications Prevention Education at Childhelp dot Org. Way In, Well, 454 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: this is a tough one because we have a family struggling. 455 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: We know some of the details of the case condemned housing, 456 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: and at Childhelp during this pandemic, we've seen a forty 457 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: three percent increase in calls to our hotline from desperate 458 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: families that are struggling food and secure, looking for housing, 459 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: losing their jobs. So when I hear about a family 460 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: like this that's teetering on the edge and it definitely 461 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: has some economic issues, and concern. I'm so worried about 462 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: the judgment that goes out to parents like this who 463 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: are just struggling to make it happen. And when you're 464 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: under undue stress, these little mistakes can happen. Right I 465 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: think you're with mom. No, I thought you were in 466 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the house with dad. And then those moments in between, 467 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: when you're being judged, when you're being questioned, are so difficult, 468 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: and it breaks my heart to think that this could 469 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: have been a tragic accident that spanned hours and what 470 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: happened during those hours? Was there a predator? A vulnerable 471 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: family is often in a vulnerable community, and where do 472 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: predators go looking for prey in desperate situations? You know, 473 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to analyze what we know about this 474 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: little girl. Myra lewis just two years old and disappearance. 475 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: I know that she goes, according to reports, missing from 476 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: outside the family home there in Camden, where she was 477 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: sitting outside playing with her sister outdoors. How many times 478 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: have children gone missing from outside? I'll never forget the 479 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: case of Samantha running It became friends of sorts with 480 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: her mother, Aaron, who went on to be a victim's 481 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: rights advocate for children. Samantha was playing outside in the 482 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: front yard of a grandmother's home with other children. The 483 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: grandmother had eyes on Samantha. A car pulls up, a 484 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: guy gets Samantha and takes off as grandma runs outdoors. 485 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: It was too late. Samantha was killed within a couple 486 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: of hours. And isn't it true to Wendy Patrick, California 487 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: prosecutor that in the first three hours is when we 488 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: often discover a child has been killed. Absolutely, you know, 489 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: that's why every second counts. It's that window of opportunity 490 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: that everybody has to leap into search and reskew mode. 491 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: It is unusual to Danish without a trace. People don't 492 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: disappear into thin air. And a child is young, it's 493 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: two years old. That job doesn't strategize the runaway. Do 494 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: they wander off. It's usually more likely an adult comes 495 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: in and facilitates whatever it isn't happened. It's a kidnapping, 496 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: it's an abduction. It's something that somebody usually sees a 497 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: part of. So that's what makes this instance so unusual. Nancy, guys, 498 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: take a listen to Andrew Kinsey wapt Jally, A dozen 499 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: members of the MHP Special WHAPS Team fanned out across 500 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the woods in North Madison County. They specialize in search 501 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: and also in tracking tracking experts circling around two year 502 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: old Myra Lewis's home in Camden. The group is made 503 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: up of the troopers from across the state. They spent 504 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: Wednesday coming through miles of brush show on foot training 505 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: to do that, and so they go through there with 506 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: a certain particular grid that they go through in a 507 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: certain procedure they follow to try and search as thoroughly 508 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: as possible. And the search around this rural home on 509 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: Mount Pilgrim Road. It started Saturday after Myra's parents called 510 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: nine one one to report her missing. Her parents last 511 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: saw lat on that morning. Since then, multiple law enforcement agencies, 512 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: including the FBI, have joined the massive hunt. You know 513 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: is jumping out at me to Foreign Police Chief John's Creek, 514 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's investigations, and polygraph dot com Chief Buyers that 515 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: she goes missing between ten and eleven a m. That's 516 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: a very rare to go missing in broad daylight in 517 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: the morning hours. Statistically, Yeah, absolutely, I was just thinking 518 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: that as well, looking at some statistics here, that is 519 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: extremely rare, and so I think that just moves to 520 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: even intensify the unknowns in this case. Straight out to you, 521 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author, 522 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: what do you do with a scene like this? Where 523 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: do you even start? Well, I gotta tell you, Nancy, 524 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: the first thing what really strikes me about this case 525 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: is that she was in fact in the front yard. 526 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: And there have been cases where where children have been 527 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: snatched like this, and so what do you look for? Well, 528 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to look for is traveled routes. 529 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: If there is a home road right in front of 530 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: the house, who's going up and down that road? You know, 531 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: nowadays we have more and more homes that have ring 532 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: cameras and those sorts of things. Did they collect that data? 533 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: Do we have any eyewitnesses on the scene that may 534 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: have seen a suspicious vehicle going by? Because let me 535 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: tell you something, Nancy, if you're talking about a predator 536 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: that would snatch a child this age, this is something 537 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: that they would be. They're like hunters. They're going to 538 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: go out into a particular area and look for a child. 539 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: They might not be local. And keep in mind, this 540 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: area of the state is actually split into You've got 541 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: twenty down to the south, and in addition to that, 542 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: you've also got I fifty five over to the west, 543 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: so you've got two major thoroughfares that are running through there. 544 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just kind of trolling through this area looking 545 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: for young victims to kind of spear it off with, 546 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: unless people are thinking that maybe she just wandered away 547 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: from the house, which for a two year old, they're 548 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: not going to get too far, you know. I was 549 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: just thinking that Canada, Mississippi sounds so much like where 550 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: I grew up, literally out in the middle of nowhere, 551 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: and who's going to be driving by to grab her, well, 552 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: some unknown as sound. Let me just point out what 553 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: happened to Shasta and Dylan grownie in cord delayne Idaho 554 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: and the middle of nowhere. They were near an interstate, 555 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: like Joe Scott is just telling you about I twenty, 556 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: and a guy looks over off the interstate and sees 557 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: Shasta playing at an above ground pool, did not know 558 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: the family at all, pulls off the interstate, waits, goes in, 559 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: kills the whole family takes Shasta and little brother Dylan 560 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: molests them, ultimately kills Dylan and Shasta is saved. My 561 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: point is anything could have happened to this little, too 562 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: year old girl, but what can we do about it. 563 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: What we can do about it is continue to look 564 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: for this girl. Myra Lewis the tip line six zero 565 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: one eight five nine two three four five repeat six 566 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: is zero one eight five nine two three four five. 567 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: I wish you all a happy and wonderful and blessed 568 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: new year, but please don't forget those children waiting to 569 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: be brought home. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Happy 570 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: New Year, goodbye friend