1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is no. They called 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: set the Shadow, Nicholas Johnson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: want you to know. We're doing a relatively rare two 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: part episode on a story that has fascinated all of 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: us and hopefully you as well. It is the strange 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: story of one Jeffrey Allen lash. Please do listen to 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: part one. We've got a lot of We were able 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: to do a pretty good job, fellas, mixing in some 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: crazy and some facts. Uh, but there's enough crazy to 16 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: go around to be to be just brutally honest with you, 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: this story, this part two is going to make a 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: lot more sense if you checked out part one first. 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: So we're gonna wait and done through the magic of podcasting, 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: should we should We touch on a couple of the 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: important characters, just so everybody is like up to speed. Yes, 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: here are the facts. Jeffrey Allen Lash dies Uh. He 23 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: is sixty years old. His body is found in an 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: abandoned suv in his own neighborhood, which is a very 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: posh neighbor, very posh community in Los Angeles, and investigators 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: discover a web of weird events very shortly afterwards. Two 27 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: of the big players we've met are Katherine nebron Goren 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: and also her husband for a time, Dr Gore, And 29 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: we've alluded to a couple of other folks that we're 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: going to meet as well. Yeah, I just want to 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: touch on Harlan Braun as well. Be r a u 32 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: n that is the attorney representing Catherine lebron Gorn. Gotta 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: ask real quick up front, like what how how did 34 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: this gentleman come to live and cohabitate in the situation 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: with Catherine and her then husband and then managed to 36 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: kind of push them apart and sort of take over 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: the roost as it were. Yeah, yeah, pull a cuckoo 38 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: right uh and shout out you know. Unrelated, there's a 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: fantastic kind of underrated sci fi film called Vivarium, which 40 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: I have heard nothing but great things about it, and 41 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I have not seen it. It's so good, you guys. 42 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: It's underrated for sure. So how did he how did 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: he become, you know, a social cuckoo? Uh he would 44 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: have an answer for that, Nolan. His answer would be 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: national security of course, verbatim quote from him. Uh so, 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: so he knows, he knows the old conversational tricks. At least. 47 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: That's that's our recap. Where we left off last, we 48 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: were asking ourselves where was the money coming from? How 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: come his stepmother Shirley Anderson, as well as his late 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: father did not know the source of his income. How 51 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: come nobody seemed to know what he was really up to? 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: And was there any truth to the bizarre cryptic little 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: hints he was dropping. I picked him dropping these kind 54 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: of out of the blue where they're not really necessary 55 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: and conversation like he's he's at that Italian restaurant they 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: always go to because there were regulars there. They drove 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: separate cars on license plates and they paid cash for everything. 58 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if like there's a server who is a 59 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: familiar face to him and they say, okay, you know, um, 60 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: we are specials today, and he's like, I don't need 61 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: the specials. That's not on the CIA, does it like 62 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: what we we know that that's just older food that 63 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: wasn't sold last week, So we don't want your specials 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: the CIA that's signed with the CIA. Yeah, I think 65 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: that's official policy. But there's a recap. So without further ado, 66 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: let's dive right back in. Here's where it gets crazy. 67 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: He does have a little bit of a paper trail. 68 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: He does have a past because he's done. Um, he's 69 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: had some brushes with the law. And he literally told 70 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: his attorney that we're gonna tell you this. He literally 71 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: told his attorney, Yeah, sorry, I got weird. We're gonna 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: do this a little different way. That's literally what this 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: story is. I am become weird and will operate thus Lee. 74 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. This attorney represented him in two thousand nine. Uh. 75 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: He called him out on said weirdness. He described his 76 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: client's behavior as very strange. Uh. Lash was charged with 77 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: misdemeanor posession of a concealed weapon after being stopped by 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: Culver City police, presumably for not having a license plate. 79 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: But we don't know this for a fact. I'm sure 80 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: we could find out, but still I'm surprised he dedodged 81 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: that for so long. Um and that's according to court documents. UM, 82 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: Lash had the ammunition and the firearm in his vehicle. 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: But because Lash had the ammo and weapons stored correctly 84 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: in his vehicle, UM, the charge was dropped. Yeah, but 85 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: that's not the weird stuff, guys. The weird stuff is that, 86 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: according to the attorney, Lash, after I guess contacting the 87 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: law offices, said oh, no, no, no, I'll contact you. Yeah, 88 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: you don't need any of my information, like, none of it. 89 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Don't worry. You've got the documents of court documents. Uh, 90 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to contact me at all. I'm not 91 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: going to give you any information. What I'm gonna do 92 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: is call you once a day and you're gonna tell 93 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: me what's going on with my case. That's it. Because 94 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm c I A because I am deeply weird. Once 95 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: a day seems a bit much. But the guy was 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: nothing if not tenacious, right, just to be candid. It's 97 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: it's also a clear move or a first move for 98 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: manipulative personality right to a point oneself. Like there's a 99 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: lot of conflation of client versus authority. Right. These people 100 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: are domineering. They want to be the one who knows 101 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: the most or appears to they want to be the 102 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: one who has the most mystery and they want to 103 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: be the one who controls situations. That's a very lazy 104 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: psychological sketch up my part, having never met Lash. But 105 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: you're you're right. He says, look, I'm just gonna call you. 106 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: I've become strange. And they say, okay, well you know 107 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: you're paying me in cash, dope. And then there's a 108 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: third lawyer who enters the free here enters the conversation. 109 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: His name is Robert Renzer. He told the local outfit 110 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: kat l A that he had represented Lash for decades, 111 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: for almost twenty years, and it was usually in relation 112 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: to this guy's guns. And he said, look, he's just 113 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: a guy's really private, which I respect, and he's just 114 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: really into guns. And he added some interesting stuff here. 115 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: He said, you know, as far as I know, Jeffrey 116 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: really isn't out here firing guns. May have called him 117 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: Jerry AND's interviews. He says he's not really out here 118 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: using a bunch of these. In fact, he prides himself 119 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: on how well maintained his firearms are. So I would 120 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: I would say, as Renser, consider more of a collector. 121 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: And then We've got a quote where he does say okay. 122 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people would call him odd because of 123 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: his overwhelming desire for privacy. Some people considered him a 124 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: little weird. Yeah. For me, it's like you could tell 125 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: he's speaking on someone who's past, but he is speaking 126 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: about it's still his client, you know, in his mind. 127 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: So he doesn't want to just come out and say 128 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: I think it was crazy. He flew over the Cuckoo's 129 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: last long ago. Well, I think about how you, whoever 130 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: you are, imagine keeping plus guns in very good order, 131 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: well maintained. That's um imagine that. Do you guys realize 132 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: how difficult it is, especially if they're ever fired, to 133 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: keep a gun really well maintained. It is not an 134 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: easy it's not an easy thing. It takes work. And 135 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: now you've got twelve hundred of them in your townhouse, 136 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: and where do you put them to keep them really 137 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: well maintained? Oh man, it's just there's so many questions. 138 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's funny because I think for 139 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are verse of firearms, it's 140 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: it's something you may not always think about, but you 141 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: gotta break the machine down and you got to clean it. 142 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: It's there. There are rules for good firearm maintenance that 143 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people just don't do, you know what 144 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: I mean. They might they might buy a gun and 145 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: they never familiarize themselves with it. They just hide it somewhere. 146 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: Um and that could that can be dangerous, be very dangerous, 147 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: very quickly. But I always like to think of cars. 148 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: If you are if you ever read the manual for 149 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: a car, it's there's stuff that no one ever does. 150 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to walk and have a four point 151 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: safety check before you get into your car. That's the 152 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: last time you did that. What's the last time you 153 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: were like, Hey, hold on, I need to I need 154 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: to make sure the headlights are working and the tail 155 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: lights are good. I'm driving with a doughnut on my 156 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: back tire for about a month now on the highway. 157 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's I'm gonna get it taken care of. Okay. 158 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: It's just such a hass is the hazard of being 159 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: an adult. You have to do things that aren't fun 160 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: and spend money and wasted don't feel like achievements. Well 161 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: here's the thing, guys, I just had another tire pop. 162 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: So this is my second one. Is Atlanta, Atlanta the 163 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: roads or garbage? Okay, done with my my road conditions, Ran, 164 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I would just say I think that I think that 165 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: maintenance thing, the four point check is a generational thing. 166 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: My grandfather close to every time I got into a 167 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: car with him when he was still alive, he would 168 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: check the oil. He would walk around the vehicle like 169 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: he would He would do that, especially if we were 170 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: going further than just up the street. And here's another one. 171 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: UH did an episode this years ago, the old question 172 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: of like when should you change your oil? Right? Is 173 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: it every X amount of miles? Is every x amount 174 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: of months? Theoretically you know what's best for your car 175 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: is if you change the oil every time you drive. 176 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying they're maintenance standards for any machine that 177 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people do not care about. And when 178 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: it came to firearms, Lash was someone who did care 179 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: about this stuff. Thank you for bringing us back. We 180 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: brought it back. I know it was. That was a 181 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: parkour on our part, not really. It was fun. And 182 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: you made a great point about how crappy the roads 183 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: are here in Atlanta. They literally pay a guy to 184 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: just go put metal plates out, which is like in 185 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: and of itself almost more dangerous than the freaking pottle. Yeah, 186 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: did I ever tell you guys about the the hubcap 187 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: anomaly that was up the street from my place. I 188 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out for the longest time. I 189 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: thought it was a weird performance art thing because there 190 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: was this like growing pyramid of hub caps on the 191 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: corner of the street next to me, or very close 192 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: to it. I was walking somewhere one day and then 193 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: I finally found the mystery. There was a small but 194 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: deep hole in the road and like a weird curved 195 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: thing or something. But I was walking by and a 196 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: hub cap flew off like a little you know, these 197 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: are newer cars. There's a little plastic e hub caps, right, 198 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: so so their frisbees almost this thing kind of like 199 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: what the bump, and it fell near this pyramid of 200 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: hub caps. So I think somebody was just happening along 201 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: and kind of gathering them up. But I should have 202 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: taken a picture. It was epic. They actually fixed the road, well, 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: they put a metal plate on there. I think they'll 204 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: get to fixing it later. This has nothing to do 205 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: with Jeffrey lash. I'm gonna put my money that they 206 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: all rolled, they all hit that one whatever that one 207 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: thing was, and they all rolled to that one place, 208 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: just because that's the nature of them. That would be 209 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: beautiful if if, if hub caps, like the majority of 210 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: people seek the company of their own, you know, the 211 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: inspiring it's a very Pixar hub cap we've just created. Hey, hey, guys, 212 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: guess what transition? Hey, what's this student spy? He sure 213 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: wanted people who think so. But what if you were 214 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: more than a spy? That more than a spy? What 215 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: does that even mean? More than meets the eye? What 216 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: if he were an alien? So remember how he said, 217 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: you're going to Transformer Dan, if you were a Transformer Matt, 218 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. You're you're Optimist prime extremism 219 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: is uh, something I can't forget now ever since our 220 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: conversation Optimist Prime extremism, No, I've already forgotten it. So 221 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: you look at it, You're like, I look at we're 222 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: talking about trucks faces, vehicles with faces. He said, No, 223 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: when I look at a truck, I wonder if it's 224 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Optimist Prime or something like that. But anyway, this show 225 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: was sponsored by Transformers. I think I got is that 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: really really really cool? Really quickly. I don't see the 227 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: benefit of being able to turn into a truck. I 228 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: just don't see the tactical benefits. Being a row Bots 229 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: seems way cooler and more versatile. Turning into a truck 230 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: seems like a downgrade. Well, they had to do that 231 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: because otherwise the humans would find out this y, which 232 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: is that they live among us, and they all had 233 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: to have dealer plates. That was one of the tricks 234 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: of the Transformers there it is. So we don't know 235 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: if Transformers are a sponsor of today's podcast, but let's 236 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: pause and find out together. Nope. Well, the reason I 237 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: think we're laughing here is because how stupidly hilarious would 238 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: it be if there was like a Transformers movie that 239 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: we didn't know about, and that was just the ad 240 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: in somebody is going to listen to this episode and 241 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: there will be some kind of Transformers integration, and I'm 242 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: so excited for you. I'm glad you heard that. Yeah, 243 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that one was for you specifically. So we left on 244 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: a bit of a cliffhanger, right, an alien? What are 245 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: you talking about? Remember how we said that Catherine never 246 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: on Goren left. She's skeedattled to Oregon to ditch the 247 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: heat after lashes death, and this was per his instructions, 248 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: as she has claimed, and we said she took an 249 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: employee along with her. This is one Dawn vad Bunker 250 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Don Don Marie mat Bunker. I believe she briefly went 251 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: missing in Oregon after lashes death, And a lot of 252 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: what we know about Don's position comes from her mother, 253 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: Laura vad Bunker, who was very worried about her daughter. 254 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: In a brief bit of good news, Dawn vad Bunker 255 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: turned out to be fine. She was just off the 256 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: grid for a little while. Yeah. And both of these women, 257 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: at least it seems, according to statements, fully believed Jeffrey 258 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Allen Lashes stories about being a spy are working for 259 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: a government agency of some sort and needing to protect 260 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: his privacy in some way. But that's not all they 261 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: believed about him. According to their stories, they believed he 262 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: was a human alien hybrid. Cool, what does that even 263 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: cons So that's sort of like a human alien hybrid. 264 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Does that mean like the spawn of an alien and 265 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: the humans relations some sort of genetically engineered lab grown creature, 266 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: a combination of DNA right of of some sort part 267 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: of it was human part was not. And this is 268 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: all coming from Laura ad Bunker, the mother of Dawn, 269 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the the young younger woman who was there uh in Oregon. 270 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: She she said that this was a genuine belief that 271 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: was held by her daughter. And apparently, according to the 272 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: stories that they were told that they believed, uh, Jeffrey 273 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: Allen lash was sent to the earth to protect it, 274 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to protect humanity essentially, Yeah, in some nebulous way that 275 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: he could not explicitly detail, right, which is a key 276 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: part of these sorts of trying to be diplomatic explanations. 277 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm getting flashbacks of the story that just broke the 278 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: week that we're recording this about all mother mm hmm, 279 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: about mother love. Yeah, we uh, I guess we should 280 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: address that we when so, we record those strange news 281 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: segments about a week before they air. Un that's just 282 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the system that Noel Matt's and our our our team 283 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: has worked out. So when we recorded this, UM, we 284 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: did predict that it was an unsustainable situation. We knew 285 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: something would probably happen, something does often with these organizations, 286 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: but we did not know it would happen so soon. Um, 287 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: and you know, ohther or not you agree with somebody's 288 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs. The truth is no one knows the answer 289 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: or no one that knows. No one has been able 290 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: to convince the rest of the world they know the answer. 291 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: So you have to think of everyone as human beings 292 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: and an exercise empathy. So our thoughts are with these 293 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: people during this incredibly difficult time as well as the survivors. 294 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: What are we talking about. Well, just a few days 295 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: after we mentioned the existence of the Love has One cult, 296 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: news emerged that their leader, Matt, referring to as all 297 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: Mother Mother Love Amy Carlson, had passed away and been mummified. So, yes, 298 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: so would be very careful. I believe what you would like, 299 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: but never hesitate to reach out if you if you 300 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: feel like you are one of your family members is 301 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: being held by one of those organizations against your will. 302 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: As a very weird time to put in that p 303 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: s A. But I think, well, it's not that we 304 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, I don't know, some of the women involved 305 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Allen Lash's life were doing things that may 306 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: seem bizarre to some of us. Yeah, yeah, because you know, 307 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of like I never thought I'd say it 308 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: this way, this is not a ding on scientology. This 309 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: is not a ding on scientology. Just repeating that for 310 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: the lawyers, for our legal team. When you hear people 311 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: say stuff that sounds really outlandish and you know that 312 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: they are reasonable, intelligent people, it's easy to dismiss them 313 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: because they're dismissed those beliefs because we don't know how 314 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: they arrived at that. It's always an incremental, uh, sort 315 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: of education, right, Indoctrination is a better word. So if 316 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: you hear somebody say, here are the like when we 317 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: learned the inner workings of Scientology and the inner belief 318 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: system of that organization thanks to wiki leaks, we thought 319 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: it was crazy, right, We thought this was very outlandish. 320 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: But we also could tell that people don't learn this 321 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: all at once. They learn it in a way that 322 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: leverages what's called the sunk cost fallacy. So at the 323 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: time you start hearing this other stuff, you've already been 324 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: primed for it. When she talked about earlier, and everything 325 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: seems just like a little step further. It's never a 326 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: bridge too far, and that's how you end up like 327 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: Don vad Bunker who said, yess he sent to Earth 328 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: to protect us. He's part human. He's part alien. He 329 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: is also working for the government. Uh and yeah, I 330 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: was originally hired by Katherine Nebron too manage some of 331 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: the properties she owned in the area. But then I 332 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: finally met Lash. She didn't meet either Katherine or Jeffrey 333 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: for a long time, she was working remotely. But when 334 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: she did, she was taken in by a story. She 335 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: started following a diet. We mentioned specific diets earlier, and 336 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: while you were talking about your piano teacher in part one, 337 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: Dawn gives up smoking and she starts doing the Lash diet, 338 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: heavy on raw meat. Weird raw meat too, like raw bison. 339 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Her mom is saying she's drinking all these gross juices. 340 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: She told her mother that she was doing this because 341 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: Lash was helping her turn into an alien hybrid herself. That's, yes, 342 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: an interesting notion of using your diet with very earthly 343 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: foods to turn into, you know, an extraterrestrial hybrid. Then 344 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: again sounds outlandish, but we have to realize, you know, 345 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: this is an intelligent person. There is a context. There's 346 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: like a a chain of indoctrination that led her to that. 347 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: And that's not all she said. She she gave us 348 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: a little more information about what lashes top secret projects 349 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: were at the moment. Yeah. She said that Lash was 350 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: assisting the government with these operations on the computer all 351 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: night like that. He would just stay up and do 352 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: whatever he was doing on his machine. Then he would 353 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: travel to different solar systems and planets through the mechanisms 354 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: of the computer, through the chips whatever is on there, 355 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: through the networks. He would somehow astrally or otherwise travel 356 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: throughout the galaxy. Well, I mean, good gig, if you 357 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: can get it right. Presumably one of his twelve cars, 358 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: you know, had some sort of interdimensional travel mods. I 359 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: love it. I would like to think that I would 360 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: very much. That was fifteen. It's probably a Saturn. It 361 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: was so all right. Going back to these attorneys, right, 362 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: the attorneys are very much like they definitely have a 363 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: horse in the race. They have an angle. They're representing clients, 364 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: but they're also trying to stick to the letter of 365 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the law and the things that they can prove that 366 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: they can confirm. That's why it's interesting that several of 367 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: the attorneys connected to Jeffrey Allen Lash found the idea 368 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: of him being a spy laughable. Ha ha ha. L 369 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: m a O, they would say. But there's an interesting 370 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: problem there. None of the attorneys related to Lash in 371 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: any way have been able to confirm that they actually 372 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: knew what it was he did for a living. But 373 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: as we said, Harland Braun did not believe that Lash 374 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: was selling guns or drugs, but he was also baffled. 375 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: He noted that Lash quote could have been working for anyone. 376 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine, however, that it's a total figment 377 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: of his imagination because there's so much money involved. There's 378 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: almost five million dollars worth of guns that were taken 379 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: by the police. And then this led him to conclude 380 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: something that I'm sure has been on all of our 381 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: minds through Part one and up to now, led him 382 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: to conclude the following. The real problem is if he 383 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: was working for a government, an agency, or foreign they 384 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: would never corroborate who American or foreign agency, they wouldn't 385 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: corroborate it. That makes a lot of sense, right, if 386 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: he's so deep undercover for another government or another spy 387 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: agency that's outside of the US, why would anybody admit 388 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: that that's what he was doing, especially if he was 389 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: providing them with, you know, like high level intelligence somehow. 390 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was an American agent. I 391 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: don't know, dude. I'm really wondering, like how often agents 392 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: are like deceased agents are mentioned or even if they're undercover. 393 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: I guess if they're ever mentioned by you know, or 394 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: acknowledged by an agency. Well, it depends, you know. Because 395 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: we talked about s O V and Vietnam, they had 396 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: explicit an explicit understanding that if things went sideways, they 397 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: didn't exist, you know. But that's that's a foreign agent 398 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. This would be a US agent in the US, 399 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: operating domestically, except when he's in space um and running 400 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: what he claimed was a really big company. Towards towards 401 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: the end leading into the events of the of July, 402 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: will find that he was talking to another woman and 403 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: he was a little bit more oddly enough, a little 404 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: bit more specific, like his story was the same, but 405 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: he was clearly evolving it as we moved from victim 406 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: to victim, which is what I think is happening. Just 407 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: as a spoiler, Uh, that leads us to something else. 408 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: You know, there is money, The money is real. Somebody 409 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: about the guns. They didn't get paid in like space stories. 410 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: So what if the cash came from a more mundane source. 411 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: There maybe another conspiracy of foot. There are indications that 412 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: Lash was if nothing else seth Can we get some 413 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: can we get some smooth music, a little bit of 414 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: a Litharia the ladies man and hold that, hold that 415 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: sexy music for a quick word from our sponsor, and 416 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: then we'll be back with all the juicy details. Let 417 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: me get some of this Cavasier reference. You've been listening 418 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: to the quiet story kidding, this is still stuff they 419 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. We are back from the break. 420 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: What are we talking about with Lash? Well, he had 421 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: no shortage of lovers Paramore's girlfriends uh. And this leads 422 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: some people, including your faithful correspondent, honestly, to speculate that 423 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: he was little more than a con artist. He told 424 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: one of his lovers, Michelle Leon's, that he had been 425 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: in a relationship with since before. He's hanging out with Katherine. 426 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: He told her that he was a former government agent, 427 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: top secret security clearance, and he said, you know, I've 428 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: got had a rap sheet pretty much over my time. 429 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: I've performed counter terrorism operations, I've rescued hostages, I've done 430 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: anti harassment missions and yeah, you know, I rescued a 431 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: couple of people from cults. What of it. Now I'm 432 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: on a mission to save the world because I'm an 433 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: alien human hybrid, an alien humanoid hybrid, superspace secret spot, 434 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: and I have become strange I and I have become 435 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: I am become strange. Yeah, I would say all of 436 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: these things add up to definitely becoming strange. I wonder 437 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: if it's one of those things where it's like, you know, 438 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: science science fiction, of course, is where my brain goes 439 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff. But like the idea of 440 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: maybe slowly metamorphosing that's not a word, morphing into an 441 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: alien human hybrid, Like maybe he started off purely human 442 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: and then through some sort of event, you know, like 443 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: a Hulk type event, perhaps he was um perhaps bombarded 444 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: with some kind of you know, alien raise, and then 445 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: he received he kind of like got that DNA that's 446 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: sort of like you know, grafted onto his DNA. Oh, 447 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. Okay, so uh, some 448 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: early secret version of Crisper was used to take thank you, 449 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: thank you for putting science words to my absolutely outlandish 450 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: fictional proposition. It's perfect. I think we've got I think 451 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: we're onto something between this and the Elevator. We are 452 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: killing it on spec scripts and synopsis. What helevator? Yeah, 453 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: because the devil like goes down to Earth. I mean later, 454 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: there's anology. I've been working on the bible for the show, 455 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: and look, I get it. The game show network gets it. 456 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: Were on the same page. There's a tie in. Yes, 457 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like I didn't read the email. So 458 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: we're kidding, We're we're We're at least kidding. Lash had 459 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: more than a few eccentricities, and this was very clear 460 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: to Michelle. He seemed to be a neat freak. He 461 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: definitely didn't want her to touch his stuff. As he 462 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: said earlier, he had a hard ban on people taking 463 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: his photograph. Leland's knew Michelle knew that he had credit cards, 464 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: but he always paid in cash. And in she buys 465 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: a three bedroom condo in Santa Monica. Lash enters the place. 466 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: He starts living there. He takes over one bedroom entirely. 467 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: He locks it and just like that, Remember that old 468 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: pirate myth was a blue Beard. I think he forbids 469 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: her from ever entering. He's got a lock in key system. 470 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, we're cool as long as this room 471 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't exist. Wow, And I never want to see 472 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: you in there. We're never going to talk about it. 473 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: And maybe she said what if I ask about it? 474 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: And then he probably had like one of those Dennis 475 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: Reynold smiles and he's like, I don't ask about it, Jesus. 476 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if he had, like, you know, 477 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: in eight seven, he probably had a hundred guns, you know, 478 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: like in one bedroom. You could probably put a hundred 479 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: guns in a bedroom. Yeah, do you need a gun rack? 480 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, you just kind of like stand him up 481 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: in a corner, right one goes in and then you 482 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: just start pyramiding them out like hubcaps. Back up, guys. 483 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I just I just hope that this terrible fan doesn't 484 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: go awry, that there's oh bad. Yeah, yeah, you could 485 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: do it. But to the point and she she has 486 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: no idea, she doesn't know what's in there. And there's 487 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: this excellent article by the Hollywood Reporter that we may 488 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: have mentioned in in Part one. Some of the best 489 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: reporting on this was Hollywood Reporter and Playboy, and according 490 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: to this story by Scott Johnson, which we highly recommend, 491 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: reading we now we know that Lash was telling multiple 492 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: versions of a story to multiple women, right, and there's 493 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: a bizarre rundown of the stuff he would tell Michelle 494 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: Leon's and tell his other girlfriends. He would say, he's 495 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: a member of anti terror team that he refers to 496 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: as his upper staff. So he had his own a 497 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: team basically, and Uh, they were brave and lethal and 498 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: most importantly, they were super loyal to Lash. If anyone 499 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: stood in his way, contradicted him, harmed him, his team 500 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: would come after them and kill them. This is like 501 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: a this is him trying to be kind of you know, 502 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: edge lord e. Right, if it's not true, I guess 503 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: we have to say, if it's not true, it's him 504 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: being edge lordy and manipulative. But it's also threatening because 505 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: he had a temper problem and he was physically abusive 506 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: to some of these women. Man Lions. Uh never came 507 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: into contact with any of these A team members. She 508 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: didn't speak with any of them on the phone. But again, 509 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: like it's that threat. I guess it occurred so often 510 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: in their relationship, this threat of these other people, that 511 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: it just made it feel very very real to Leon's 512 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: m hmm, Yeah, And you know, when you're acting with 513 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: limited information, you don't know like how how can you 514 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: find this out? You know, the internet at this point, right, 515 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: you have to do your best in person to suss 516 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: out what's happening. And again it's the incremental indoctrination that 517 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: is key here. He also says He also says that 518 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: he knows the psychic. Her name is Tara, and he 519 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: can't talk. He can't say much about her because he 520 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: had to teach her to go dark and live off 521 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: the grid for national security reasons. Yeah, this guy seems 522 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: to complicate the lives of everyone he encounters. Oh, dude, 523 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: you have no idea, because here's the thing. He's living 524 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: with lions in this condo she bought. He's got the 525 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: room that doth not exist, with all his guns and 526 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: I think probably all his guns station. And he has 527 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: somehow gotten leone's to pay for everything, right, like everything, 528 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: not just the condo and rent the food, the supplies 529 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: whatever those maybe for any interact or you know, for 530 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: going out to the park. She's getting whatever they need 531 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: for the picnic um entertainment, everything. I mean, this seems 532 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: like a grift of his though, right, Like I've imagined 533 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: it maybe even happen more time than we have on record, 534 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: because he literally, like I asked at the top of 535 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: the show, like, how the hell is this even possible? 536 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: But Lash continued to be supported for a time by Lions, 537 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: even after moving out and into this other condo with 538 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: Nebron Goren with her husband at the time, and then 539 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: somehow strong arming him out of the picture. Uh, seems 540 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: like a real you know, manipulative con artists. He can't 541 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: he can't use any of his own money. He would 542 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: get exposed. Mission. Yeah, they can track serial numbers on 543 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: this cash. We can use the cash sometimes, but only 544 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: only when we absolutely have to. So what do you 545 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: mean is he totally insane? I mean there's obviously real 546 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: information and real stuff to back up that something weird 547 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: is going on with this guy, But he sure seems 548 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: to have delusions of grandeur and obviously is is a 549 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: total grifter Uh and manipulator. I just it's it's mind boggling. Yes, yeah, 550 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: he was a taker, is you know? He was reciprocating 551 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: by spinning tales and helping making people think they were 552 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: part of something bigger, which is a brilliant way to 553 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: get people to be your thralls. So things aren't going 554 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: well at the abroad household. Uh. He is worried about 555 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: what might happen to his guns now that he's taken 556 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: over their house. He's put them in a really weird situation. 557 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: These people who own this house, by the way, are 558 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: having to go shower at their neighbor's place because he's 559 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: stuffed it with so much junk and restricted the areas 560 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: of their own house where they can actually live. He 561 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: because of the guns, he shut down the water in 562 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: their condo. That's that's the reason they had to go. Uh, 563 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: they had to go shower other places. He also needed 564 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: a special chef for his diet. The chef costs about 565 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and eighty five dollars a week. He did 566 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: not pay for that. Uh. She uh LANs also bought 567 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: uh two healing frequency machines that's twelve grand apiece. Uh, 568 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: then another undred dollars a year and storage fees for 569 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: like more than a decade. She estimates that she's shelled 570 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: out about one point eight million dollars. So this is 571 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: another pretty well to do woman that is being manipulated 572 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: by this guy. He becomes more and more extre dream 573 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: he's physically abusive. Gore and you know, we said they 574 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: divorced earlier was convinced that Lash was the real deal. However, 575 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: he said in he said Lash put a gun against 576 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: his head and demanded that Goren continued to give him 577 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: the cash he needed to carry out his missions and 578 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: says that he gave this guy something around two point 579 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: five million dollars. But yep, and then after they divorced, 580 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: Nebron took up with Lash, eventually becoming his fiancee without 581 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: the knowledge of Michelle Leon's who thought they were still dating. 582 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: So full circle back Uru Burros this depart one. Michelle 583 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: has finally had enough. She's been trying. She's very close 584 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: friends with Catherine, by the way, and she's been trying 585 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: to call her to see what's up with her boyfriend. 586 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: No one's picking up the phone. This radio silence is distressing. Eventually, 587 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: in a moment of desperation, she decides she's going to 588 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: break into that locked room and it's not what she expected. 589 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: That's right. It was essentially like an episode of that 590 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: super depressing reality show Hoarders. Um Lions began to sift 591 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: through just absolute piles of stuff um looking for some 592 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: clue as to what this dude was all about. But 593 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: she found evidence not of any kind of you know, 594 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: government work, um, but of other women, at least six 595 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: other women in addition to her and Nebron. So we're 596 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: talking things like love letters, photographs, an audio cassette that 597 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: one of his former lovers had made fromm assuming like 598 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: a mixtape. Um, and uh, five or six women whose 599 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: names Lions found in this stash, we're still alive. So 600 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: she began to contact them, um, and eventually reached out 601 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: to four. So these were not the only examples of 602 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: this grift that Lash pulled, um, because all of these 603 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: stories were identical to her own. Lash had swooped in 604 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: and completely hijacked their relationship using a variety of psychological 605 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: manipulation tactics. Um. He you know, got them to pay 606 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: for everything, cheated them out of their money, you know, 607 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: completely took advantage of their good will. Ben you mentioned 608 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: at the top of the show or one of the episodes, 609 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: how someone like Nebron Jameson Nebron Goren um could have 610 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: been a very easy mark for many reasons. And it 611 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: appears that he knew exactly the criteria what he was 612 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: looking for in such a mark, right, which does importantly 613 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: does not mean that he did not believe his own story. 614 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: He could have been having what we'll call a Merlin moment. Uh. 615 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: And he and the lash Dash was real. He did 616 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: have over to under grand in his house, so he 617 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: may have been a bit of a Romora, you know, 618 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: just attaching himself to the lives of these people and 619 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: intimidating them. Some of these women told Michelle they had 620 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: a very real fear that if they did not comply, 621 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: he would kill them or have them killed. How did 622 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: this all shake out, Well, we'll tell you. A legal 623 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: battle between Lashes, lovers and relatives ensued over the seized goods. 624 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: After his death, he left no will, that's a paper trail, right, 625 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: So his his only relatives were these estranged cousins. They 626 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: were set to inherit his fortune, which was you know, 627 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: they were mainly thinking in terms of the guns. They 628 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: were like, that's five million just for the guns. According 629 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: to their lawyer, the cousins planned to have the weapons 630 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: destroyed to send a message about guns in the US 631 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: instead of being sold. Uh and again, all the guns 632 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: are clean. Yeah, they wanted to um because they were 633 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: worried about that many that they were worried about those 634 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: guns getting out on the street. And you have the 635 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: wrong hands, got it? What are they doing? You start 636 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: a museum on the side of four hundred and it's 637 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: bigot and guns. God, I'm in, I am in. I 638 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: will take the elevator to big Foot and guns. Uh yeah, 639 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm on board. So this this is a problem because 640 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: several of the women involved with Lash have their own 641 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: lawsuits Lebron and Lions and specific they're seeking compensation for 642 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: the millions of dollars they have spent supporting this guy 643 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: over the years. The corner eventually concludes the Lash died 644 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: at age sixty of natural causes due to a cardiovascular condition. 645 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: But the problem is his corpse was so decomposed by 646 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: two weeks of summer heat that it was tough to 647 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: conclude what was happening to him in his final years. Yes, 648 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: in certain cases, some diseases like cants or maybe a 649 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: l S can cause you to have psychotic breaks and hallucinations. 650 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: But the thing is, his story went on so long 651 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: and was seemingly so well thought out and calculated that 652 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: you can't really explain it right just by saying, Uh, 653 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: he had a medical condition that was messing with his cognition. 654 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: To your earlier pointment about having a criminal record, he 655 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: had none. He was squeaky clean. That in itself can 656 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: be suspicious because if you want good cover, then you 657 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: want to have some wartz, right, You want to have 658 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: some wrinkles. That makes it look more realistic, which is 659 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: why when you do a c g I image of 660 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: a person, you want to have a slight asymmetry, right, 661 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: because they look more like a person, It's true. Otherwise 662 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: you get that uncanny Valley effect, which I think you 663 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: could apply that same terms to, like a weirdly squeaky 664 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: clean record, Uh starts to feel like not a real 665 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: person or like it was you know, wiped in some way. 666 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: That's always a red flag. And you know mystery type 667 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: shows or procedural cop dramas when they look up a 668 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: person of interest and there's nothing about them, super sketchy yea. 669 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: And none of the agencies that exist have acknowledged any 670 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: sort of interaction with LASH or any work that last 671 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: I've ever done for any of them, So that's kind 672 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: of a dead end unless again they're keeping it under 673 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: wraps for one reason, or another which is possible. Which 674 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: is possible, but you would think that that if that 675 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: were the case, this wouldn't be in the news as 676 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: much as it was in Also side tip, if you 677 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: want to get off the grid, you don't want people 678 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: to know where you're going for a certain period of 679 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,959 Speaker 1: time or any amount of time. Um one one good 680 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: thing to do is to have a friend take your 681 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: main phone and just drive it around with them wherever 682 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: they go or gone for the weekend of the week 683 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. I can't officially tell you that it works. 684 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: Just plug it, have them plug it in in their car, 685 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: by the way, that's how you do it, like charger 686 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: in the car, leave it charged at all times in 687 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: their car to create the illusion of your normal goings 688 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: on and movements that you haven't left and you know 689 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: that you're like just still doing your thing. Again. We 690 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: can't officially tell you that it works, and it's crazy 691 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,280 Speaker 1: how easily you can do it and make sure location 692 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: services are on and u significant places are turned onto anyway, theoretically, hypothetically, 693 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: So what was lash up to? Where did the money 694 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: come from? Was it all from his victims? In victims 695 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: they were was he a cod man? Was he aspiring 696 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: cult leader? Was he an alien? For now that appears 697 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: set to remain the stuff Jeffrey Allen Lash doesn't want 698 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: you to know. Real people's lives were affected and damaged 699 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: by his actions. But as as we've established, we we 700 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: don't have enough info to say whether he truly believed 701 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: what he was doing. But those questions remain unanswered. How 702 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: where did them may come from? What changed about his life? 703 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: This is a fascinating case, and we want to hear 704 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: what you think. Folks. Definitely also record conversations with yourself 705 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: and your friend and then have your friend to play 706 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: them back on the radio while you're driving around with 707 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: your phone plugged in. Oh sorry, anyway, Uh, perfect is 708 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: the enemy of good. Matt Perfect is the enemy of good. 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And 727 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: and thank you, uh conspiracy realists for helping make that happen. 728 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: And if you're someone who feels the way about social 729 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: media that Jeffrey Allen Lash felt about photography, never fear. 730 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: You can contact us the way he used to contact 731 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: his lawyers. Just dial us on the phone. It doesn't 732 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: have to be once a day. You can call. It 733 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be from a pay phone though that's 734 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: a that's required. Yeah, or a burner also accepted burner 735 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: So that number is one eight three three st d 736 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: w y t K three minutes. Those three minutes are yours. 737 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: Give yourself a cool nickname. Let us know if it's 738 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: okay to use your name and voice on air and 739 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: tell us what's on your mind. Hip us to some 740 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: topics you think your fellow conspiracy realists would enjoy. If 741 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: you say Ben, that's malarkey. Joe Biden doesn't own that word. 742 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: We can all use it if you. If you say Ben, 743 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: that's crazy. You yourself had talked at length about how 744 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,720 Speaker 1: much you hate phones. Why would you try to convince 745 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: me to tell it's called you on a phone? Why 746 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: would you do this to either of us? 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