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Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks. Happy weekend to you. We've

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Speaker 1: Sticks three sixty. Okay, NFL dot com slash Moved the

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Speaker 1: Sticks three sixty. If you've missed any of the videos,

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Speaker 1: you can you can catch them on there. We got

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Speaker 1: good ones today Buck for today's episode. We don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of time. We've got meetings were scheduled to

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Speaker 1: the UH to the gils here is that even a phrase?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We got

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Speaker 1: there for sure. So I thought, what we do I

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Speaker 1: I thought a fun way to kind of get rolling here,

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Speaker 1: don't know what what's coming your way. I don't know

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Speaker 1: talking about kind of blink scouting. What's that? First? First off?

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna give you a corner here. First off, Um,

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Speaker 1: how about Cyrus Jones from Alabama? Versatile? Okay, versatile player?

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Speaker 1: You got this, outstanding return specialists, A guy has really

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Speaker 1: when he comes to their first round Mark, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go. You know you're so good in the linebacker

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Speaker 1: he is. He ran four eight nine. Yeah, that didn't

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Speaker 1: he's ultra productive, he's instinctive. He's got stopping power. Man,

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Speaker 1: lot of production. There's a fit for him in the league,

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Speaker 1: a good player. He should be a solid special teamer

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Speaker 1: you going going? Tray Madden from USC trade man goes

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Speaker 1: Bucky come on Man High School a Mission Viejo High

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Speaker 1: Lawrence mclutchen clutch nice. Yeah, so um Trey mad So

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Speaker 1: that Von Bill is, But if he came down to

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Speaker 1: pure football, I believe Karl Joseph is a better football player.

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Speaker 1: Kean O'Neil, who I like, he's in my top fifty.

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Speaker 1: Would you take Keyan O'Neil or would you go with

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Speaker 1: t J. Green, who's getting all kinds of buzz from Clemson?

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Speaker 1: Once again, if he comes down to football player, Keian

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Speaker 1: O'Neil is a better football player. He can drop in

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Speaker 1: the box, he will hits you square in the chest.

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Speaker 1: Good job against the run, and depending on how we're

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Speaker 1: constructing the defense where I have someone that is the

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Speaker 1: high whole player, he can be the low whole player

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Speaker 1: that is the eighth defend in the box. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with Kneel over Green, but I am intrigued by

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Speaker 1: what you say. The conversation is around the league, but

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Speaker 1: Green may go from inside to outside and maybe a

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Speaker 1: press corner league because of his athleticism. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: you some guys that have the same grade on here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you several of them. If there's one

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Speaker 1: of them you want to talk on, go ahead. K J. Dillon,

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Speaker 1: who I really like from West Virginia. The other safety

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Speaker 1: opposite Karl Joseph there um I gave him. I put

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Speaker 1: him in the third round. Another player that I gave

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Speaker 1: the exact same grade to, Justin Simmons from Boston College

446
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Speaker 1: who's six two and a half, is a big kid

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Speaker 1: you can play as the high safety, can be a

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Speaker 1: true free safety. And then um, Jeremy Cash is a

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Speaker 1: box safety almost plays like a linebacker there, duke h

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Cash is is interesting. Of those guys like it's

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Speaker 1: funny because this year, more than any other year, I

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Speaker 1: think they're too there's a clear line between the guys

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Speaker 1: who are your box safeties and the guys who are

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Speaker 1: your cine field safeties. And in the past we would

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Speaker 1: always ding those box safety but what we've seen last year,

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Speaker 1: we saw a lot of safeties that were playing almost

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Speaker 1: in a hybrid linebacker role. So it's kind of given

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Speaker 1: life to the box safety for me. Jimmie Cash is

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Speaker 1: really a quasi week side lineback in the way he plays,

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Speaker 1: how he functions. I mean he's coming off the edge.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a big time player. He has a

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Speaker 1: ton of town because I want to say he had

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Speaker 1: over hundred tackles three straight. He had a great game

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Speaker 1: against Northwestern, all over the place and Jason hit. The

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Speaker 1: big thing for him is what is he How well

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Speaker 1: can he cover? Uh? Can you hide him in your

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Speaker 1: coverage package? Because he is a very very active player

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Speaker 1: against hi running. You like the physicality that he brings

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Speaker 1: to the table. Those two other guys are very productive.

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Speaker 1: I like them as high hole players. I think they

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Speaker 1: have range. I think they're traffic cops. I am very

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Speaker 1: very good with both of those guys being on my squad.

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Speaker 1: Cavan Fraser from Central Michigan and having that same same

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Speaker 1: ballpark there as well. Another guy who can play is

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Speaker 1: that high safety is very athletic. Uh so, look this

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Speaker 1: is pretty it's actually a pretty deep group of safety.

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Speaker 1: When you start going through these names. You got Darien

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Speaker 1: Thompson from Boise not run well, but he's a I

479
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Speaker 1: compared to me. You know how I comped him to

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Speaker 1: was Roman Harper coming out. Remember Roman Harper was coming

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Speaker 1: in Alabama. Didn't have a lot ton of speed, but

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Speaker 1: he was just always around the football and made a

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Speaker 1: lot of players in. Roman Harper's played for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You know, Thompson at the Senior Bowl was very very good.

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Speaker 1: I want to men he has a lot of interceptions

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Speaker 1: in his career. UM at Boys State really is a

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Speaker 1: masterful player that finds a way to snag those tips

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Speaker 1: and overthrows to trill in interceptions. I like him. I

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Speaker 1: was very impressed with the way he kind of controlled

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Speaker 1: things that the Senior Bowl doing practices. Not the athlete

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Speaker 1: that necessarily goes as a topic, but he certainly is

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Speaker 1: a guy that I think day two, day three, that's

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Speaker 1: when you begin ahead that conversation. Physical player Elijah Shoemate

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Speaker 1: from from Notre Dame. You got Ohio State with Tibis Powell,

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Speaker 1: who's a big kid. Ran Fast had a lot of

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Speaker 1: conversation about tibisl Yeah, these are these are good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a really good It's funny you kind of

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Speaker 1: think about the strength of the draft. We keep talking

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Speaker 1: about defensive tackle defense. It's a pretty good safety group,

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Speaker 1: pretty good safety class. You have to know exactly what

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Speaker 1: you want, what you're looking for. How are you trying

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Speaker 1: to fill out those roles? But when we talk about

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Speaker 1: these safeties, the the added been if it is not

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Speaker 1: only what they bring his front line players, but what

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Speaker 1: they can give you on special teams. Yeah, then we've

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Speaker 1: got Jalen Mills you talked about a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: We've got j Ron Curse, who was a little bit

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Speaker 1: disappointed me. He's very disappointed. Six pounds, get excited. We'll

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Speaker 1: see the bloodlines. You get excited when you see the

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Speaker 1: body on the on the hoof. But he doesn't play

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Speaker 1: to what we've seen or what did athleticism should suggested.

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Speaker 1: He places he all right, hith them just hit me

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Speaker 1: in my ear with the five minute warnings. Let's roll

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Speaker 1: through some offensive tackles. We're just gonna shotgun these we

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Speaker 1: got tons of Ronnie Stanley. We've talked about them a bunch,

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Speaker 1: Conklin and Decker again, we talked about them as first

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Speaker 1: round guys. Give me these next two guys, how you

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Speaker 1: would sort them out? Between Jermaine Effetti and the Raven Clark?

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Speaker 1: Who do you like better in that bunch? I like

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Speaker 1: Jermaine ef Fetty. I believe if Fettie is more of

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Speaker 1: a natural right tackle um athletic long. I like the

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Speaker 1: movement skills that I saw at the combine. I like

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Speaker 1: the fact that he can really create a push in

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Speaker 1: the run game, even though he played in a spress

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Speaker 1: system at Texas and m I believe that the way

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Speaker 1: the league is going, you have to have a guy

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Speaker 1: that is athletic enough to handle elite rushes on the right.

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Speaker 1: I believe of the two, he has better suited to

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Speaker 1: do it. With Raven Clark. I understand the fascination when

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Speaker 1: you look at the different length, the length, look at

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Speaker 1: his arms. What you have the thing? What is what's

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Speaker 1: his arm like? Like? Look thirty thirty six and eighth.

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Speaker 1: That's silly six five six and the eighth long arms,

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Speaker 1: huge wingspan, wing spain is tremendous, eighty five inches or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm concerned about in that system, it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of short sets. You don't really get a chance

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Speaker 1: to see him take a deep vertical set. And how

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Speaker 1: will he match up against those crafty, squirreling guys that

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Speaker 1: can make moves and really hit him with finesse. I'm

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Speaker 1: worried about him. So of the two of both of

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Speaker 1: those guys on the board, I'm gonna I'm gonna lean

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Speaker 1: towards Efetty as my guy. Yeah, I like I like

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Speaker 1: Effetti as well, and a couple of couple of names

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Speaker 1: he will roll through. Jason Sprigs from Indiana, who tested

545
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Speaker 1: great at the Combine, ran four nine four. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I he's more of a third round type player. I

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Speaker 1: think he's probably gonna go in the second round. I think, well,

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Speaker 1: I think you will know because he tested well and

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Speaker 1: he didn't look out of place when he's at a

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Speaker 1: senior bowl. I think that's enough to make a team

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Speaker 1: pulled the trigger somewhere in the fifties. Gerald Hawkins from

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Speaker 1: l s U. We haven't talked at all about him.

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Speaker 1: He's an interesting player. He's almost six six pounds, ran

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Speaker 1: five to three. I gave him a third round grade. Again, um,

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably the low point for him. He

556
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Speaker 1: could sneak into the second round. Any of those guys

557
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Speaker 1: like the big thing with the offensive line class and

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle class. Any guys the show promise shows the

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Speaker 1: ability to stay on their feet, if they have decent balance,

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Speaker 1: body control, and if they can put their hands on guys.

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Speaker 1: That gives them an opportunity because the toughest thing for

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Speaker 1: me to evaluate those those offensive lineman and everyone says

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Speaker 1: if a gay can stay upright, you can teach stay

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Speaker 1: off the ground. That's what you're looking for. Just stay

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Speaker 1: off the ground and gives him a chance. Sean Coleman

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Speaker 1: from Auburn. I have not done Avery Young yet, his

567
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Speaker 1: teammate at Auburn, and there's some buzz on him. I

568
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Speaker 1: need to do him, Sha Coleman. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: of buzz on the but you talk. Yeah, he's raw man.

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Speaker 1: He's he's athletic, but he's very raw. Joe Hag from

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Speaker 1: North Dakota State, Carson Wentz his teammate. I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna go on the third fourth round. Reese Odeyambo from

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Speaker 1: Boise State as another tow a view in that line.

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Speaker 1: A fast riser is Kleb Benenoch from U c l A.

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Speaker 1: He's played four different spots on that offensive line. He

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Speaker 1: had a fantastic combine workout. But interesting thing with him

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Speaker 1: as he played like in the two eighties at U

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Speaker 1: C l A. He's now up to three eleven, so

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Speaker 1: the big concern is a lot of the strength with him,

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Speaker 1: and he's added some weight there so that could help

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Speaker 1: his cause. Joe dal Vidal, Alexander guys are probably gonna

582
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Speaker 1: kick inside. Willie Beaver's from Western Michigan. Some early on him,

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Speaker 1: up and down all over the place in terms of

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Speaker 1: the way people are talking about I know at one

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Speaker 1: point our ohn My may I liked him a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of cooled on the conversation a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but all right, last one here, Kyle Murphy is another

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Speaker 1: one from Stanford who I think is probably in that

589
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Speaker 1: fourth round fourth round range. So we didn't get to

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Speaker 1: go all the way through all the tackles, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to just kind of touch on a couple

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Speaker 1: of positions we haven't talked much about. That was safety

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Speaker 1: and offensive tackle book. Yeah, safety class. You talked about

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Speaker 1: the defensive tackle class being deep and talented. The safety

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Speaker 1: class is very intriguing. Look, we had that we didn't

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Speaker 1: have much time today, but we try to jam as

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Speaker 1: much into this period as as we could. A fast break.

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Speaker 1: It was a fast break like I go to say, Warriors,

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Speaker 1: fast break, up and down and get the ball out.

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Speaker 1: Let's get some names on the board. We kept it rolling,

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Speaker 1: all right. That's gonna do it for us today, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: We will have tons of video I for you guys

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