Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: two am at Central Perk and you're listening tonight Call.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call podcast for your
Speaker 1: strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lamberton. Here with
Speaker 1: me in Los Angeles are Test Lynch and Emily Oshida.
Speaker 1: What's right all the time? I am a Los Angeles resident. Correct.
Speaker 1: As now we've called the corners and later today we'll
Speaker 1: be joined by our guests as Arcanig of Vampire Weekend.
Speaker 1: To celebrate, we wanted to tell you about a fungal
Speaker 1: hallucinogen that makes bugs party till their boots fall off. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this. I talked about it on the
Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist um when I guess it a like a
Speaker 1: while ago. But we really need to talk about the
Speaker 1: party bugs. So cicadas are being infected with a fungus
Speaker 1: that makes that This obviously, by the way, comes from
Speaker 1: live science. Where else would it come from. So this
Speaker 1: fungus has traces of amphetamines in it, and as a result,
Speaker 1: it makes the bugs like jittery and they kind of
Speaker 1: they're like part They're dancing and they're having sex with
Speaker 1: each other. They have sex with whoever is around um,
Speaker 1: and then the fungus makes their bodies explode and legs
Speaker 1: are flying off and guts are spraying everywhere, and it's
Speaker 1: crazy a party. Their butt falls. Yeah, it's hallucinogens and amphetamines.
Speaker 1: Their traces of that in the fungus. UM it's the
Speaker 1: massapora fungus. So where's this happening, Like, where's the fungus?
Speaker 1: The pocatos are everywhere? The people doing research where at
Speaker 1: the University of West Virginia UM And so I guess
Speaker 1: the fungus is sexually transmitted. So the males infected with
Speaker 1: Massapora will try to populate with each other, imitating the
Speaker 1: behavior of female cicada in order to lure an unsuspecting male,
Speaker 1: another potential host for the zombie like fungus, says Live Science.
Speaker 1: So they fly around, they're spraying everybody with guts. They're
Speaker 1: called flying flying salt shakers of death by the leader
Speaker 1: of this study. Looking from my lost salt shaker of death. Nice.
Speaker 1: So anyway, look out for for flying body parts of bugs.
Speaker 1: It don't worry, it's just the zombie fungus in their brains.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. Don't worry about the party bugs. Speaking of
Speaker 1: party bugs, it's the fiftieth anniversary of the Tatee Manson murders.
Speaker 1: As we we didn't do this on purpose because we're
Speaker 1: not edge lords. We just one to mentions. We're talking
Speaker 1: about once upon time in Hollywood. I feel that enough
Speaker 1: time has passed by the time you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: which we'll be honest, we don't know when that is
Speaker 1: quite yet, but we know it'll be soon. Soon within
Speaker 1: the time warp it will. Yeah, we'll yeah, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: be hearing this. Hopefully you've seen the movie. We talked
Speaker 1: a lot about it a little bit in our newsletter,
Speaker 1: which if you are um, did we talk about it?
Speaker 1: I forget where we are, thoughts live. Sometimes. We talked
Speaker 1: about it on the newsletter, which you can be subscribed
Speaker 1: to if you support us on Patreon at patreon dot
Speaker 1: com slash nightcall Um, but we haven't actually talked about
Speaker 1: it on Mike altogether. And now I'm feeling like I
Speaker 1: should just see it again because I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to have a new, a new like perspective. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about this movie with you guys because I feel
Speaker 1: like every conversation I've had with it, I'm like outnumbered screen,
Speaker 1: you liked be esthetic a lot, but you didn't you
Speaker 1: weren't super pleased with the narrative. Yeah, I still don't.
Speaker 1: I still feel like people are. I still feel like
Speaker 1: when I see people talking about Once upon a Time
Speaker 1: in Hollywood being Tarantino's most empathetic um or like grown
Speaker 1: up or emotionally mature movie, I don't follow that logic.
Speaker 1: I feel like people want the movie to be that,
Speaker 1: and like that desire for it is enough to get
Speaker 1: you there, but like I don't know, Like the the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, I still can't really I still
Speaker 1: can't really see. And again we're spoiling this all the
Speaker 1: way because you've seen this movie by now. I cannot
Speaker 1: see Leonardo DiCaprio low torching a teenage girl as um
Speaker 1: like mature. Interesting. Again, That's why I think it's also
Speaker 1: an alt right movie. They were going to murder other
Speaker 1: people the rest passing with the intention you could you
Speaker 1: could there's a there's a lot of ways you could
Speaker 1: shoot you there's not shoots the wrong word in this case,
Speaker 1: but like there's a lot of ways you could film
Speaker 1: I'm murdering it like you're you're you're doing the like
Speaker 1: the Minority Report logic on this, which I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to see someone burnt to a
Speaker 1: crisp with my Minority Report logic. I guess I've never
Speaker 1: see Minority Reports see crime logic? You mean yeah, like
Speaker 1: a yeah read Philippi Dick. But yeah, should I see
Speaker 1: Minority Report? Oh? Absolutely, Minority Reports Great. I mean I
Speaker 1: think I saw it in the theater for the podcast
Speaker 1: for it. Well, I'm down. There's a there's a chase
Speaker 1: where he like hops on floating cars. Just do a
Speaker 1: sci fi dystopia series. Yeah. Absolutely, Minority Reports pretty great.
Speaker 1: I watched it somewhat recently and it holds up. I
Speaker 1: like this movie a lot. I'm such a mark for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could even have a subjective
Speaker 1: opinion about it. I had no. I was not like
Speaker 1: looking forward to it at all. The whole advertising campaign.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like amped or anything. My friend was like,
Speaker 1: I'm buying tickets at the Dome, and I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed it. Well, I think I didn't
Speaker 1: expect to like, well, know this the Brucely part. The
Speaker 1: Brucele part was the first time we all agreed that
Speaker 1: that was maybe I'm projecting more. But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I guess. It's like, is it a movie, is it
Speaker 1: taught like I'm Is it an indictment of masculine bullshit?
Speaker 1: Or is it praising it? I think it's an indictment.
Speaker 1: I think it is too. I do not think so
Speaker 1: Brabi killed his wife. But if you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: like him, but they make it funny, it is funny.
Speaker 1: But I also just like, again, I'm like such a
Speaker 1: mark for hippie's plantation movies. I'm a mark for all
Speaker 1: this stuff too. And that's the thing that I was expecting.
Speaker 1: I was not looking forward to seeing this movie. But
Speaker 1: I was also like, I'm gonna watch this movie and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna come out like begrudgingly loving it. Like
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my feeling because that happens to me
Speaker 1: somewhat for were you like not enough manson girls? No?
Speaker 1: Oh no. But I also didn't think that. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like he had anything to say about the man's singirls,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I feel like everything was served up,
Speaker 1: all the things that I like and think are interesting
Speaker 1: were served up with like very little context or comment
Speaker 1: around them. I didn't really and I feel like so
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the stuff that people
Speaker 1: are bringing to it is like their own, their own stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. But do you think that's true
Speaker 1: about every movie? I feel like that was intentional, And
Speaker 1: I think with Tarantino especially, it's like people bring so
Speaker 1: much to their own I don't think with Taranto. Tarantino
Speaker 1: is always screaming at you what he wants to. But
Speaker 1: this is just like such a flex also Tarantino, you
Speaker 1: know you like it or you don't. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I was talking in our in our chat, like
Speaker 1: I love Kill Bill. I particularly like like Kill Bill
Speaker 1: part two, Like that's my favorite Quentin Tarantino movie. And
Speaker 1: I I am like gen generally like willing to be
Speaker 1: willing to be won over? You not went over by
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie that the human embodiment of the Smiley not really?
Speaker 1: Did you not find her charming? I thought she was
Speaker 1: just charming. She's charming. Yeah, but it's like, again, there's
Speaker 1: not that much in that, you know, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's like it's very like surfacing, you know, like
Speaker 1: there's so like when people are also like this is
Speaker 1: the most nuanced portrait of a woman that that Tarantino
Speaker 1: has ever brought us, and that's not true. But Jackie
Speaker 1: Brown is his best movie. And to me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this feels grown up and emotionally, so this feels closer
Speaker 1: to that than his things he's done since then to me,
Speaker 1: because at least it's taking on the idea of like
Speaker 1: aging at all. The other about it being more personal,
Speaker 1: which I think is definitely you feel, and I think
Speaker 1: that what I appreciated his kind of like however, he
Speaker 1: was confronting things that he's had to kind of deal with,
Speaker 1: like with you know, like the karmen Ghia and like
Speaker 1: the you know, when Brad Pitt's driving in his hair
Speaker 1: is whipping around, it's very evocative of the scene with
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman that then blew up and we now know,
Speaker 1: like what a dick Quentin Tarantino Wasn't do you think
Speaker 1: that's like a couldn't like that's so like you think
Speaker 1: he was like doing that intentionally? Well, I know that.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously the reason that he uses the karmen Gie,
Speaker 1: I think his dad had one, and so it's like
Speaker 1: appeared a lot, but there was something that was so
Speaker 1: the winding road, the hair whipping, or it was so
Speaker 1: it's so mirrored that that I felt like he was
Speaker 1: putting it into kind of like comment on it, and
Speaker 1: I wonder and part of it seemed to me to
Speaker 1: be like a nostalgia for having like having had his moment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like feeling like he speaked
Speaker 1: that stuff is there. And I think that's why the
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie stuff works for me, because she didn't have
Speaker 1: to have so much death as much as she had
Speaker 1: to represent what it feels like, what it feels like
Speaker 1: to be at the top of your game. This like
Speaker 1: very kind of brief window where you're on touchable and
Speaker 1: you're you're representing like you know what how people are
Speaker 1: feeling and like how people are viewing things. You're at
Speaker 1: the center of it, and then you move out of
Speaker 1: that and it's very threatening to everybody. But it's like
Speaker 1: an amazing thing to have, right because I don't think
Speaker 1: he villainized her at all, and she was clearly the
Speaker 1: representative of like, like I think people who are like
Speaker 1: he's against the hippies and against the second part of
Speaker 1: the sixties. It's like, I don't think that's what it
Speaker 1: is at all. Also, the funniest thing to me is
Speaker 1: that Leonardo DiCaprio's parents are hippies. His dad is like
Speaker 1: a semi famous alternative comics guy. He was like friends
Speaker 1: with our crumb uh. And the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: in real life became like a bro to rebel. It's
Speaker 1: very funny. But yeah, Like, I don't think it's critical
Speaker 1: of the new stuff. I think the whole point is
Speaker 1: like you can't avoid it. You can only like there's
Speaker 1: somebody somebody says something and at some point about like
Speaker 1: you can just do whatever you can with the amount
Speaker 1: of time you have. Yeah, I think it's just realizing
Speaker 1: you're only going to get to make a few more movies.
Speaker 1: So like, okay, so then when when they blowed torch
Speaker 1: the Manson Girl, is that like is that like is
Speaker 1: that this is the point of that to be like,
Speaker 1: look at what happens if you're so stuck in your
Speaker 1: ways that like you have to violently reject whatever like what.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but here's what I think about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's like somebody, uh my friend Sam Sweet,
Speaker 1: who does All Night Menu, said he thought it was
Speaker 1: like a like a great Trump movie because it's like
Speaker 1: a post truth movie. It's a movie where it's like
Speaker 1: history is whatever you say it is. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: been his yea for a while. Yeah, it's like that
Speaker 1: guy who wrote all the books about where the what
Speaker 1: if the South had won? Right now? It's that might
Speaker 1: be his next movie. Yeah, I mean that was Django
Speaker 1: kind of it was the opposite, but it wasn't as
Speaker 1: funny as this. I think it's just like some of
Speaker 1: that stuff felt well because in those movies and Inglorious
Speaker 1: Bastards and in Djingo, you're talking about like like the
Speaker 1: huge regiemes, whether it's slavery or the Nazis, like these
Speaker 1: are and they can be seen in the abstract and
Speaker 1: represented by a few people in the context of a film.
Speaker 1: But what is being violently taken down a historically and
Speaker 1: those films is the concept that they those people represent
Speaker 1: in it. And in this I don't think that there's
Speaker 1: a big enough concept unless you're talking about like all
Speaker 1: of hippie dem or like all of the counterculture. Like,
Speaker 1: so it's not I think I don't think it's about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's about fantasy violence and film being a
Speaker 1: totally different thing from real life violence, you know, and
Speaker 1: how it's like you can totally enjoy fantasy violence and
Speaker 1: film and it doesn't have any core like you because
Speaker 1: when they first show him blowtorching the Nazi, it is
Speaker 1: like so satisfying to see somebody blowtorching a Nazi because
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, I wish I could do that.
Speaker 1: That's everybody's fantasy right now, son are because when they're
Speaker 1: leading up to it, you're just like expecting to see
Speaker 1: this real life thing in the play on the anti
Speaker 1: say patient of her, and then the fact that you
Speaker 1: need a cathartic relief. It's but like, what did you
Speaker 1: guys feel that? Because I thought, like, what did you?
Speaker 1: I just thought they didn't show the murdering pregnant Charon
Speaker 1: Tate like I thought they were going to. They murdered
Speaker 1: somebody else, but the person is it real? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's a fantasy that's neither like but neither is Margot
Speaker 1: Robbie as But like you know that in real life,
Speaker 1: it's like if they had shown that, no matter how
Speaker 1: they would have shown it, it would have glamorized it
Speaker 1: in some way, and I thought it would be great
Speaker 1: that twist came up and before that was widely known
Speaker 1: that that was the thing that happens in the movie
Speaker 1: you're still paying for, like to see what you could
Speaker 1: leave to be an adaptation. How fucked up are you
Speaker 1: that you want to see that? It was like I
Speaker 1: felt like a gotcha. That's the whole thing about the
Speaker 1: Manson murders is like they're so glamorized and turned into entertainment,
Speaker 1: but it's like the most fucked up thing to have happened,
Speaker 1: and it affected a lot of real people that truly
Speaker 1: like subversive thing would be that nobody violently dies, like
Speaker 1: that would be them. That would be a good movie.
Speaker 1: That would be a bad movie because like, like nothing
Speaker 1: about the rest of that movie says somebody's got to die.
Speaker 1: It is the most chill ask for the fact that
Speaker 1: there's a real that you know that the real characters
Speaker 1: are there, that you think that you know the ending,
Speaker 1: and then you see like the gears turning to ramp
Speaker 1: up like you're going up on the roller coaster. But
Speaker 1: then you know, I think what Molly said, it is
Speaker 1: true that you're anticipating seeing this grizzly murder that actually happened, recreated,
Speaker 1: and you realize that you do because it's the story
Speaker 1: of that you you don't want to see it. You're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't happen. But then you also know that you can't
Speaker 1: just not have anything happen, because did I think such
Speaker 1: a good job of making you be like Sharon Tate?
Speaker 1: Was this like the most vibrant person in the world
Speaker 1: that everybody was drawn to and it was like a
Speaker 1: total random accident that it was her. You know that
Speaker 1: it wasn't like planned around Rosemary's baby or anything. And again,
Speaker 1: I think the fact that they didn't you was it
Speaker 1: wasn't like specific. I don't know, it was kind of
Speaker 1: a specific, which is why I was also like, they're
Speaker 1: just like red Shirts getting torched. Maybe that's my girl
Speaker 1: boss feminism is. I don't care if the Red Shirts
Speaker 1: or teenage girls if they're murdering. But you know what
Speaker 1: I wonder, I do wonder if Emily is right like
Speaker 1: seeing it a second time and it may kind of
Speaker 1: take the pleasure out of it a little bit, Like now,
Speaker 1: especially now that we've had this discussion, I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of it. It is a movie that's probably
Speaker 1: best watched once, Like you're only going to get that.
Speaker 1: People are also like too sympathetic to the Manson girls
Speaker 1: in general because they have good fashion, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the people are sympathetic to me. But this is
Speaker 1: the thing, is that I think this movie made me
Speaker 1: more sympathetic. And for about five seconds before what happened happened,
Speaker 1: this movie made me more sympathetic to the Manson girls
Speaker 1: than anything I've seen before because they make this argument
Speaker 1: the reason that they decided to go kill Rick Dalton
Speaker 1: instead is like we've been brought up on this culture
Speaker 1: of violence and like TV heroes and stuff, and what
Speaker 1: if we like went and killed that guy, that would
Speaker 1: be more more interesting symbol than killing Sharon Tate or
Speaker 1: whoever we think is in that mansion. Um. And that
Speaker 1: felt more purposeful than like what they were actually doing,
Speaker 1: um in real life. Uh, And that felt more interesting
Speaker 1: for a second. Not that I mad made me side
Speaker 1: with them, but it was like, that's at least some
Speaker 1: kind of like, uh principle that you're operating off of
Speaker 1: instead of some some like gobbledygook like handed down to
Speaker 1: you by Manson. Well, don't you also feel like that
Speaker 1: may have been Tarantino feeling like he's been under attack
Speaker 1: for violence in movies like Playing Well. I think it's
Speaker 1: also notable that he didn't double down on having somebody
Speaker 1: say the N word in this movie, because he super
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of person who would be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't want me to do something, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it a hundred more times. But it did. But
Speaker 1: it did also feel to me like a weird absence
Speaker 1: because maybe it's just because when they were filming it,
Speaker 1: they had a bunch of fake black panther recruitment posters
Speaker 1: as set dressing um, and I kind of expected that
Speaker 1: to come into play more, which is that the way
Speaker 1: Manson was able to like weaponize the paranoia of everybody
Speaker 1: was that he was also weaponizing, like he thought he
Speaker 1: was weaponizing white paranoia about black radicals. You know, the
Speaker 1: absence of that feels like telling like in his In
Speaker 1: this telling of this story, the Manson murders are about
Speaker 1: the loss of a beautiful like women who died before
Speaker 1: she became truly famous, instead of like a super racist,
Speaker 1: like deranged rhetoric around like a race war. Well, that
Speaker 1: was the thing too is I was like, it actually
Speaker 1: would have been powerful if he had shown Manson saying it,
Speaker 1: because if the whole point had been like, hey, this
Speaker 1: white guy saying it and he's not cool, you know,
Speaker 1: and he is brainwashing people, Like it's a very selective
Speaker 1: understanding of what like, it's very a very cherry picked,
Speaker 1: like a few elements of what the Manson family was
Speaker 1: all about in order to serve a purpose. But I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure what the purposes. And the purposes is
Speaker 1: to remind you that Shampoo is a really good movie always.
Speaker 1: I also found out from this that Goldie Hawns character
Speaker 1: in Shampoo is based on Sharon tate Um, as well
Speaker 1: as that she was the inspiration for Malibu Barbie, speaking
Speaker 1: of Gidget, apparently Malibu Barbie was like patterned off of
Speaker 1: her in the movie Don't Make Waves Um. I was
Speaker 1: also obviously very excited there's so much Dino in this movie.
Speaker 1: Maybe that the night called brain power is real. Well.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting too, because he was another
Speaker 1: you know, I talked about this a lot on Karina
Speaker 1: long Words book Club podcast, But yeah, he's a total
Speaker 1: icon of like a past era of masculinity trying to
Speaker 1: force his way into the sixties, and that clip from
Speaker 1: that maybe it really shows how awkward it is. It
Speaker 1: shows it's such a good example of why New Hollywood
Speaker 1: needed to happen. Like if you ever like, why did
Speaker 1: we need Easy Rider? There's like so many bloated sixties
Speaker 1: comedies like that where you're just like, somebody spent money
Speaker 1: on this. Um, guys, we will for sure be talking
Speaker 1: more about once spont a time in Hollywood after we've
Speaker 1: all seen it a second time. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I think we're out of time for today. We're so
Speaker 1: happy to have Emily back in l Ay and we're
Speaker 1: going to bring on our guest as Arcane Egg from
Speaker 1: Vampire Weekend to talk about anime and other things. We'd
Speaker 1: like to welcome our very special guests as Arcane Eg
Speaker 1: from Vampire Weekend, whose new album Father of the Bride
Speaker 1: came out earlier this year. He also hosts the excellent
Speaker 1: talk show Time Crisis on Apple Music and is a
Speaker 1: long time Nightcall supporter, psychically spiritual supporter. He's ascended, He's
Speaker 1: a fully ascended member. UM. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: how Coffee Bean has a new line of beverages based
Speaker 1: off the show Friends. This coincides with what is a
Speaker 1: pottery barn or Crete and Barrel also doing a Friend's
Speaker 1: themed line. There's a lot of Friends things coming out
Speaker 1: and make friends person Well, you know, I I did
Speaker 1: like Friends when I was a kid, and I have
Speaker 1: a memory of, uh when when probably being in six
Speaker 1: or seventh grade and being at the mall with my mom.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what store this would have been. And
Speaker 1: I remember, like a lot of kids at school like Friends,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it. I thought it was a good
Speaker 1: show and there was a friend's T shirt for sale,
Speaker 1: and she, you know, she let me buy some shirts
Speaker 1: here and that she even let me get a dead
Speaker 1: Kennedy's T shirt once, which she found offensive, but she
Speaker 1: she like respected my right to get a dead cool mom.
Speaker 1: I appreciated that. But for some reason she put her
Speaker 1: foot down. I don't know if she'd already like, you know,
Speaker 1: bought me a shirt recently, but she was just like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't get that shirt. And I remember I was
Speaker 1: kind of come on, I want to I want this
Speaker 1: friend's T shirt and she was like, no, you can't
Speaker 1: get it. And then um, I remember thinking reflecting on
Speaker 1: that you know when I was an adult and thing
Speaker 1: like thank you, I'm really good. She knew you were
Speaker 1: too good for that friend shirt. Yeah. I was really
Speaker 1: into T shirts too, but for some and then when
Speaker 1: I look back on the shirts that I used to have,
Speaker 1: it was like kind of a classic like type of
Speaker 1: kids like Dead Kennedy's shirt. I had, like the classic
Speaker 1: Akira T shirt. Um, and uh yeah, the Friends would
Speaker 1: have like totally totally thrown off the collection. So I
Speaker 1: was really a fan of being the person whose personality
Speaker 1: is buying shirts from the store at the mall. Well
Speaker 1: or did you get any of these mail order catalogs that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like, I used to like pour over there was
Speaker 1: like there's one called like Rockabilia that was all just
Speaker 1: various rock T shirts. In fact, that's hound became familiar
Speaker 1: with a lot of bands. Was just like, through looking
Speaker 1: through the shirt catalog, totally shirts. I feel like. Um,
Speaker 1: that was one of the first things I did on
Speaker 1: the internet too. I was like, oh, you can buy
Speaker 1: things online. Let's see how many band T shirts I
Speaker 1: can buy. But I've never seen in real life, but
Speaker 1: might exist. I remember those Friends shirts though, I mean
Speaker 1: that was maybe my first awareness of the show as well,
Speaker 1: was just like the shirt, the shirt and the hat
Speaker 1: with the embroyos on it, which I feel like now
Speaker 1: probably goes for like a thousand dollars. They make all
Speaker 1: the stuff now. Again, because you've seen kids recently, because
Speaker 1: friends friends, I've heard that that young people love friends
Speaker 1: um way more than Seinfeld. But but also did some
Speaker 1: streetwear brand make like a friend's hoodie? I'm sure. I
Speaker 1: feel like when I've been like in Soho in New York,
Speaker 1: or like on Fairfax in l A, I see I
Speaker 1: see the level of friends gear that I see seems
Speaker 1: to be not just like, oh you guys like friends.
Speaker 1: It seems like I wondered, did some prominent did like
Speaker 1: Supreme do a friends drop or something someone that said
Speaker 1: enemies in the front. Yeah, yeah, And last I mean
Speaker 1: I would have gotten contemporarily with friends. I think it's
Speaker 1: just like kids of the nineties. It's like the seventies,
Speaker 1: they also love friends special. I think that's because even
Speaker 1: though we knew it wasn't realistic for these people to
Speaker 1: be like having these existences that they paid for with
Speaker 1: coffee shop money or whatever, it's happy days. Well, I
Speaker 1: think maybe now it seems believable that in the nineties
Speaker 1: that was everything was better. Yeah, like that was a
Speaker 1: very realistic portrayal of hang out at coffee shops a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we were looking at our phones. We had to
Speaker 1: look at coffee, but it was because we were like
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and trying to meet friends, trying to meet
Speaker 1: they made friends. Well, I just watched a bunch of
Speaker 1: Friends accidentally, just because I woke up stupidly early in
Speaker 1: Atlantic City this last weekend and had nothing better to do.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was. It was real bad. I've probably watched
Speaker 1: every single episode of Friends at some point or another
Speaker 1: because it was syndicated along with Seinfeld, and it would
Speaker 1: be like on like five PM, like primed of you
Speaker 1: watching hours for me, So I'd watched, I'd watch the
Speaker 1: Friends that I'd watched the Seinfeld, so I know I've
Speaker 1: seen them all, but like, I was never that into
Speaker 1: It was just one of one of those things again,
Speaker 1: one of these things that doesn't happen now. You just
Speaker 1: watch something kind of involuntarily because it's on, And I
Speaker 1: never thought Friends was funny, and then it was very
Speaker 1: vindicating to watch it back and be like, no, this
Speaker 1: is like not working for me. I don't think it
Speaker 1: ever worked for me. They played at the Vet, I've
Speaker 1: noticed because it's like a calming show. But then it
Speaker 1: was very calm, very give it to that. But they
Speaker 1: played um that we were on a break one when
Speaker 1: I was at the vet recently, and like they gave
Speaker 1: my dog back to me and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just stay, just have to finish this up.
Speaker 1: It's a very intense episode. But then I also noticed
Speaker 1: that they play friends and gidget is another popular thing
Speaker 1: to play it like high intensity waiting rooms the show.
Speaker 1: The show, it was like because I mentioned to someone
Speaker 1: that I that they were playing it at a doctor's
Speaker 1: office and they were like, oh, yeah, they always play
Speaker 1: that at my mom's nursing home. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is gidget somehow like straight to the vein calming? It is?
Speaker 1: It kind of is I can watch Sally Field surf
Speaker 1: on a green screen. People seem to feel that way
Speaker 1: about the Office too. Yeah, we don't feel that way
Speaker 1: about the Office at all. I think it's the same
Speaker 1: teams who are obsessed with the Twins, Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: like who are obsessed with friends also, and the Office
Speaker 1: is like the other show. They're both fantasy. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, because I'm one of my friends. Is
Speaker 1: this guy sein Felt two thousand, Yeah, he works on
Speaker 1: time Crisis and so you know he has this he's
Speaker 1: you know, his like skin crawls when anybody talks about Friends,
Speaker 1: because he's still fighting this like old long lost war
Speaker 1: of like Seinfeld versus Friends. But I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it and it's kind of like, yeah, this question why
Speaker 1: would Friends still be so popular? And you always see
Speaker 1: this stuff about how it's like it's like tied with
Speaker 1: Stranger Things for the most watched show on Netflix, and
Speaker 1: it really when we're talking about like Netflix stock price,
Speaker 1: they're always like, well, you know, keep in mind they
Speaker 1: don't own Friends and they're losing. It's a really big
Speaker 1: talking point. But as you just think about, you I
Speaker 1: can't realize like Friends was always just kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: comfort calming, feel good down the middle, middle brow television.
Speaker 1: Bad ever happens on it, and it's like it's fun.
Speaker 1: It kind of does appeal to anybody, so it appeals
Speaker 1: to kids, I think for the same reason it was
Speaker 1: a very popular show. Then what's really weird is the
Speaker 1: fact that Seinfeld was ever the most popular show. It
Speaker 1: it is a weird, kind of mean spirited show. That's
Speaker 1: the anomaly that was watching it back. It also, I
Speaker 1: think it's just also the difference between three camera shows
Speaker 1: and like mockumentary shows. To me, I think of The
Speaker 1: Office as being like from a different time period than Friends,
Speaker 1: because it's like all the shows look like The Office now,
Speaker 1: but they used to all look like And the shows
Speaker 1: that are three camera look like they're from the fifties now.
Speaker 1: But you know, multi camp is so much easier to shoot, Like,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting single cam versus multiicam for the people
Speaker 1: who work on them. But it's easier to make funny too.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true edite. You can have all these
Speaker 1: like smash cuts, reaction shots. The single cam shows are
Speaker 1: all really multicams. They all shoot with like three cameras. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the Friends. Beverages and nineties beverages, bringing
Speaker 1: it back the best nineties beverage a corner called Beverage Chat.
Speaker 1: We wanted to talk about what's the best nineties beverage.
Speaker 1: It's not Frusca. Oh I love Fresca. I'll stand for Fresco.
Speaker 1: I used to do a Fresco vodka I like Fresca.
Speaker 1: Um I was, I was going to save this to
Speaker 1: talk about my show, but really we are vampiing content.
Speaker 1: But I think that, yeah, this could be a multipart conversation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I remember Fresca from the nineties at
Speaker 1: the super nineties drinking. You can, I can picture what
Speaker 1: it looked like, and it was it had this kind
Speaker 1: of like Grandma vibe. It was a Grandma diet, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was lady oriented because it was calorie free.
Speaker 1: Also Grandma Grandma's grapefruit, and it was it hapkened back
Speaker 1: to the breakfast of the half grape the grapefruit diet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's a grape fruit diet compatible. So you know,
Speaker 1: it had this kind of older, kind of uncool look. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a Grandmon Florida vibe. Recently, I was shocked to
Speaker 1: see at a pizzeria that at some point, maybe a
Speaker 1: year or two ago, Fresca had rebranded to fully steal
Speaker 1: the San Pellegrino soda aesthetic. So the new cans of
Speaker 1: Fresca dropped the whole like, this is a diet, a diet,
Speaker 1: grapefruit beverage. And now they almost to the point of
Speaker 1: like copyright infringement. They made it look like, you know,
Speaker 1: like the San pelagran Cans like around chat or whatever
Speaker 1: all they like. Now they made it look like a
Speaker 1: classy Italian soda. Fresco. Oh, they totally did this is
Speaker 1: I had a friend who talked about like she went
Speaker 1: to Italy and drank all this Orangina and then came
Speaker 1: home and found out it was like a Coca Cola product. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, Orangina, this is class That
Speaker 1: was my god, You're right, it is totally. A couple
Speaker 1: of months ago to Pizzeria in New York, I was
Speaker 1: shocked that also, and then you got to imagine that
Speaker 1: I guess Fresco sales were down and they were like Fresca, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it seems to grandma, it doesn't appeal to millennials.
Speaker 1: And they were just like, let's make it. No. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm drinking a lacuoix right now. They have not changed
Speaker 1: their label since the nineties. It's the most nineties Midwest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody should follow this lead, like this should be the
Speaker 1: because it's to me like the late eighties. I was
Speaker 1: listening to some podcasts I can't remember which one it was,
Speaker 1: But they were talking about the brand identity of Lacroix
Speaker 1: over the years and how everybody from the Midwest is
Speaker 1: like when it became cool and popular, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like how long has been a thing now? How long? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was I remember there was the stories that it
Speaker 1: was very it was a common Midwest only it was
Speaker 1: a very Yeah it was midwe because I think it's
Speaker 1: from it's from Wisconsin. Um, there's a town called And
Speaker 1: it was just the kind of thing that like mom's
Speaker 1: like I remember like a friend of mine, my mom
Speaker 1: didn't get it, but my friend's mom would, like they
Speaker 1: had a fridge in the basement that was just like
Speaker 1: stacked with the Lacroix. So every time I would go over,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, cool, I'm gonna take two. But it
Speaker 1: was like not a like my friend thought that I
Speaker 1: was dumb for liking it so much. Everybody thinks it's
Speaker 1: like European. Yeah. I think we're going to trend away
Speaker 1: from the flavored sodas that have no additives because I
Speaker 1: think spin drift is a better alternative. I'm drinking a
Speaker 1: little so that's the one that salter with like teena
Speaker 1: tiny bit of juice. It's like they have BlackBerry raspberry lime.
Speaker 1: It has no sugar, but as it's like if you
Speaker 1: squeeze an actual it's like a salt with lemon. But
Speaker 1: I appreciate that they tried. And you know what I
Speaker 1: have to say I really miss is juice Squeeze. Is
Speaker 1: that still around? My parents used to j squeeze What
Speaker 1: that is? It was like juice carbonate j it was.
Speaker 1: That's what I get on a plane. I get like
Speaker 1: a half and half orange juice and soda. That's I'm
Speaker 1: going to say. The most nineties beverages chai lattes. Oh,
Speaker 1: but I love chili to me too. That's that's in
Speaker 1: the getting spracked. You wouldn't say it was the ice
Speaker 1: blended or the frappuccino because I kind of think the
Speaker 1: chai has existed long before the nineties and exists for
Speaker 1: but the frappuccino ice blendid that was a door that closed.
Speaker 1: I think we're moving past. You're right, the frappuccino is
Speaker 1: funny too, because it's just a milkshake, right, No, it's
Speaker 1: a couple. It's a coffee milkshake. But it doesn't come
Speaker 1: from the fact that the East Coast. Don't they call
Speaker 1: milkshakes FRAPs? East Coast, East Coast they do well. They
Speaker 1: in Boston. They in Boston and Boston. Yeah, like like
Speaker 1: frapp like frappe. They caught a frap and they at friendlies,
Speaker 1: for instance, they saw bought it from like a coffee
Speaker 1: shop in Boston that did this like coffee milkshake called
Speaker 1: a frappuccino in Starbucks bought the concept. Oh, frapp rigns
Speaker 1: I think also called them FRAPs. It was. It's like
Speaker 1: it was just a I think maybe Massachusetts and Rhode
Speaker 1: Island thing, right. I feel like on the East coast
Speaker 1: of state to state various quite a bit like hobies
Speaker 1: and grinders and stuff. I was like, the this is
Speaker 1: very East Coast to although there's more here now a
Speaker 1: dunkin Donuts their version. This is before there were frappuccinos everywhere.
Speaker 1: It was called the coffee coolata. I still all still
Speaker 1: like drop a cool lot of reference here and there
Speaker 1: and just to get a body on the room, just
Speaker 1: to see. Well, that's one of my favorite like stupid jokes,
Speaker 1: just like that I can't stop doing, even though I
Speaker 1: know it's just confuses people and then they generally don't
Speaker 1: find it funny. But anytime, um, I'm like meeting somebody,
Speaker 1: if if if it ever comes up that they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: do you want to like grab coffee to bring to
Speaker 1: wherever we're going, I just can't help it. I always
Speaker 1: have to say like, oh, yeah, I got us two
Speaker 1: cookies and cream, coffee, cool, lot of blasters. I I
Speaker 1: just know people are just always like, oh, why would
Speaker 1: you lie about? It's so stupid And also it's like
Speaker 1: it's a pointing when you don't have that. The best
Speaker 1: case scenario is they're just is they're just get kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh I just wanted a black coffee and
Speaker 1: then I have to explain. And then worst case scenaria
Speaker 1: like what are you talking about? You just making something
Speaker 1: up for no reason. But I just find that just
Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, only I find that fun. Just the
Speaker 1: idea that somebody asked you to grab some coffees and
Speaker 1: you grab them, especially cookies and cream kind of a
Speaker 1: meal in itself. Our friend Lindsay Webber of the podcast
Speaker 1: who Weekly is a super Duncan fan and a super
Speaker 1: cool lott Of fan, so she'll be very excited about
Speaker 1: this colts are great. The problem with dunkin Donuts is
Speaker 1: that there's not The coffee is so weak, but I
Speaker 1: still love it. That's why you have to drink like
Speaker 1: a gallon of it compared to other coffee drinks. Is
Speaker 1: just a very weak it maybe like not as dark
Speaker 1: a roast or something. My main opposition to it is
Speaker 1: that they still are very dependent on styrofoam, and I
Speaker 1: hate carrying a styrofoam cup around. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I like dunk But that's so eat doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the type. The thing we'll find out soon is better
Speaker 1: for the environment. Right, you can just start making ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you guys see this that tote bags are bad
Speaker 1: for the environment? Why because people are making more toebags
Speaker 1: now than anybody knows? What is it? Because they when
Speaker 1: they break down the fumes. I don't know why that
Speaker 1: came out. I was really felt personally vindicated by which
Speaker 1: is that the scooters are bad for the environment. I
Speaker 1: was happy. They're just as bade me, tell me, what
Speaker 1: make many emissions and they die really fast, and also
Speaker 1: the people they create more emissions because of the people
Speaker 1: driving around to drop them off all the time. But
Speaker 1: they make just as much emissions as a city bus
Speaker 1: or a car. Yeah wait, they're electric, though not really
Speaker 1: I guess they have the electric gasoline in them. Way,
Speaker 1: it was a study. I need more information. We can
Speaker 1: say whatever we want now. Like a good metaphor for
Speaker 1: for people who can hate like the urban liberal elite
Speaker 1: is to be like picture a bunch of adults riding
Speaker 1: around on scooters, feeling good about it, and then a
Speaker 1: giant truck coming truck blasting fumes comes to pick it up.
Speaker 1: To the cartoons. Yeah, you get to feel good about
Speaker 1: saving the environment. I I just have. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about this a lot, especially this time out, because I
Speaker 1: need to like figure out I need to figure out
Speaker 1: how I'm going to get to my new job and everything,
Speaker 1: and which is like relatively close and I could theoretically
Speaker 1: take a scooter to it. You could take a horse.
Speaker 1: I could. Honestly, it's open. I could get I can
Speaker 1: make horses. My friend who works at City Hall road
Speaker 1: one for the first time, and he study totally acient
Speaker 1: and wiped out. And then it was like he kind
Speaker 1: of felt like he got what he deserved. But I
Speaker 1: was like, that's also really funny to think about somebody
Speaker 1: in a suit, just like wiping out on a scooter.
Speaker 1: It's like falling down. Well in New York now they
Speaker 1: have these Revels scooters which are real like full size
Speaker 1: scooters like best besides scooters that are all electric and
Speaker 1: apparently you can just check them out the same way
Speaker 1: that you do a bird scooter. Um, and they come
Speaker 1: with a helmet in them. But like I think here
Speaker 1: you have to have a license to drive a moped
Speaker 1: or something. Not really you can, but you have to
Speaker 1: wear a helmet. Nobody wears a helmet. A friend of
Speaker 1: ours h ship just driving over a pothole and guanas
Speaker 1: and like broke his arm and it's already it's like
Speaker 1: the streets are now just like littered with the corpses.
Speaker 1: There's like way too many. And that's my that's my
Speaker 1: thing about it as an aesthetic complaint. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: Neo Tokyo, right, yeah, um, we wanted to just talk
Speaker 1: for a moment about other Is it true that you
Speaker 1: were a listener to Emily's anime podcast. I heard this
Speaker 1: from Justin Charity, who I was just talking to about boxing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being the number one super fan of
Speaker 1: Emily's podcast. And I was listening to the last episode.
Speaker 1: You guys talking a little bit about anime here. So
Speaker 1: it's not over. Oh yeah, no, no, we bring it in,
Speaker 1: but get into it for sure. You like to honor
Speaker 1: all of our dead podcasts on this podcast. They all
Speaker 1: have a few under our belt. You Yeah, we did
Speaker 1: this episode about Angel second, I remember you like send
Speaker 1: a tweet about it because there's so few. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: such a weird movie. People don't there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of information to find about it. Yeah, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of thing that necessarily invites a
Speaker 1: big following, or at least like in the structure of
Speaker 1: anime fandom. I guess that was contemporary to it, But
Speaker 1: now I feel like people if it had it, like
Speaker 1: if it had a rediscovering hour, if they put it
Speaker 1: on Netflix or something, people would get into it just
Speaker 1: because it's like so esthetically. Well, they've been putting a
Speaker 1: lot of anime on Netflix. It seems like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about Neon Genesis. Yeah, yeah, did you
Speaker 1: watch the new No? Well I didn't. Part of the
Speaker 1: well that I actually learned from listening to you guys
Speaker 1: that that they made some editorial decisions. Well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a minor one. It was one that bugged me.
Speaker 1: I ended up watching it all on Netflix just because
Speaker 1: it's so easy. Uh, And I don't watch I don't
Speaker 1: watch the dubs, So I think some people didn't like
Speaker 1: the dub but I never watched it, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: But um no, I mean it's great. It still makes
Speaker 1: me cry, like it still does the job. Were you
Speaker 1: ever a big fan of it? Yeah? And I remember
Speaker 1: having to watch it on just like super weird. It's
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable how difficult it was to watch it back
Speaker 1: in the day. You have to have like an anime dealer,
Speaker 1: yeah you, or you had to as like some I
Speaker 1: I used to email this guy in Canada who made
Speaker 1: like yeah, like I had a friend who had all
Speaker 1: this anime, but he like went really out of his
Speaker 1: way like find things. But it was so much harder
Speaker 1: And now it's so much easier, and it feels like
Speaker 1: a lot of kids just watch it all the time,
Speaker 1: which is great. Although the one question that I have
Speaker 1: is do I feel like there's a bit of a
Speaker 1: generational divide because it's like eighties and nineties stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting for like the Treasure Trove to you know,
Speaker 1: to to finally get dumped onto some streaming because I
Speaker 1: actually feel like a lot of a lot of people
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the cut off would be
Speaker 1: under thirty or something like really into anime. They the
Speaker 1: style and like the shows that they like are so
Speaker 1: much like more intense and flashier than than some of
Speaker 1: these things that we're talking about. I wonder, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they would even people have such different points
Speaker 1: of reference for it. But I feel like there's so
Speaker 1: much eighties and nineties stuff. What are this stuff that's
Speaker 1: like your holy grail that you wanted. There was a
Speaker 1: show that I remember it was very difficult to find
Speaker 1: called Marmalade Boy that that, to me, is the type
Speaker 1: of show that it's like that that's just like my ship.
Speaker 1: It shows like Marmalade and and and also I was
Speaker 1: always interested in it because Franks it's towards the end
Speaker 1: of the first season or in the second season, it
Speaker 1: partially takes place in New York to like always love
Speaker 1: these surreal things that take place in New York made
Speaker 1: by people who friends Yeah, and Seinfeld shows made far
Speaker 1: away from New York City. The New York of the Mind.
Speaker 1: So I feel like something like Marmalade Boy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like when is that from like late eighties, early nine?
Speaker 1: I think it was like early nineties. I like, what's
Speaker 1: the deal with Marmalade Boy. I've never really watched it,
Speaker 1: but it's just like kind of a romance, like cute comedy.
Speaker 1: It's a cute comedy. It's I think it starts with
Speaker 1: two sets of parents getting divorced and then getting with
Speaker 1: each other and the kids have to you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like like that era of kind of like
Speaker 1: romantic and then there's this other I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that this, uh, this show is very very problematic by
Speaker 1: modern standards, but it's interesting for a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I know. It's like their reference to anime is
Speaker 1: Golden Boy. All the boys are all the boys, Golden
Speaker 1: Boy is insane, and it's like it's about like a
Speaker 1: really horny boy man. I don't know how he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be young man who kind of has a heart
Speaker 1: of gold. And I think at some point maybe they
Speaker 1: played it at like four am on MTV or something.
Speaker 1: So it's very random. Like some people like, oh anime,
Speaker 1: like you know, when you talk to people we aren't
Speaker 1: huge fans, they'll drop, like, especially if they're from like
Speaker 1: depending on what country they're from, they'll drop the most
Speaker 1: random reference because it just happened to be syndicated. I
Speaker 1: feel like Golden Boys on TV and Russia or something
Speaker 1: that's Russian people really into. So he's like very horny,
Speaker 1: and every episode he gets a different job and usually
Speaker 1: he has to like fight his horny nous and then
Speaker 1: he kind of learns a valuable lesson and one of
Speaker 1: the episodes he actually gets a job in an anime studio.
Speaker 1: So it's like very meta, but it's a yeah, and
Speaker 1: you can imagine like the women the way they're doing.
Speaker 1: I think it's also like, yeah, in America, we still
Speaker 1: have this idea that like animation means the thing is
Speaker 1: for children. Yeah, so there's a lot of horny stuff
Speaker 1: in anime or for like just abject failures of human
Speaker 1: beings or so like if you're still watching cartoons, then
Speaker 1: it's like and you're an adult, then it means like
Speaker 1: the cartoons are not like an adult art form. Yeah, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's why all the good anime is not from America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean now, like well, well, you
Speaker 1: you made a show that was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's if you don't do you refer to it
Speaker 1: as an aime. I know that this is like a controversial.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I was just I was just
Speaker 1: called it a cartoon, but it was in a Japanese
Speaker 1: studio actually animated in Korea, but so it's a lot
Speaker 1: of Japanese stuff. Um, yeah, I always call it a cartoon.
Speaker 1: But the yeah, and and it's it's interesting. People get
Speaker 1: very like and it's funny because to some people like
Speaker 1: to call something animals like this, you know, Badge of Honor,
Speaker 1: like that's real anime. You know, people be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know Avatar, the Last Airbend, that's not anime, that's
Speaker 1: animate influenced American. You know, people get into that stuff.
Speaker 1: And then but it's funny that people be so precious
Speaker 1: about it because there's other people You're like, do you
Speaker 1: like animals? Like no, that sucks. I'm not a nerd.
Speaker 1: So you have either people very precious a bat or
Speaker 1: people who just dismiss it out of that Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: uh cool. They're doing um like Crunchy Role is doing
Speaker 1: original animation now, like I think They've announced a couple
Speaker 1: of shows, and that's also been very controversial because it's like,
Speaker 1: why are they making new shows? They should be just
Speaker 1: bringing older shows back on the plant. Companies can't afford
Speaker 1: to just be aggregators. But I'm like, I'm like bringing
Speaker 1: on though, like like like I would like there to
Speaker 1: be more, Like I would like for there to be
Speaker 1: writer's rooms for adult oriented animated shows in the United States,
Speaker 1: right that aren't just post Family Guide type of comedy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something episodic and weird and yeah, like I think that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you can do so much with the animation. I
Speaker 1: feel like we were talking about this because I saw
Speaker 1: The Lion King, which is like the greatest argument for
Speaker 1: two D animation. You know, it's like, wow, you can
Speaker 1: do so many things in two D animation you like
Speaker 1: just can't do in computer animation. And they're both good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to do different. Turns out that drawings are nice and
Speaker 1: people like them. Yeah, I think we all like late
Speaker 1: eighties and like, yeah, that Tess is not a big
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting quietly, but I was actually totally one
Speaker 1: over by being Puppy Cat, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys I actually had to look it up because
Speaker 1: I found it by mistake. My whole family was sick
Speaker 1: like six months ago and we'd run out of things
Speaker 1: that you know, we could all kind of like deal with,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what's this be? And Puppy
Speaker 1: Cat And it is a Natasha Allegory web series about
Speaker 1: a very depressed girl named b who's like quirky and
Speaker 1: can't hold down a job. And then she has this
Speaker 1: like sort of surly pet that's like mostly a cat
Speaker 1: but partially a dog, and they go to like other
Speaker 1: planets and like get swallowed up by things. And I
Speaker 1: was totally like meant for adults, but then my kids
Speaker 1: were watching it and I was like, yeah, fuck it,
Speaker 1: but they loved it. They were like she like why
Speaker 1: is she so sad? And I was like, I think
Speaker 1: these like struggling like she's in her late twenties and
Speaker 1: not coming together for being Yeah, I love. I feel
Speaker 1: like we also say this love, but we all sort
Speaker 1: of like those really indane anime that are just about
Speaker 1: like doctor Cats is like, yeah, Doctor Kats is are
Speaker 1: like a mundane animal. Oh yeah. And I mean even
Speaker 1: when when we were made our cartoon near Yokio that
Speaker 1: the original idea partially was just that we just wanted
Speaker 1: to see really mundane things drawn anime stuff. All my
Speaker 1: favorite parts of it just like you know, somebody making
Speaker 1: a coffee or just like a close up of something,
Speaker 1: because yeah, the I've never been personally that attracted to
Speaker 1: the like even in Neon Genesis, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: like the ava's are amazing and you know, the angels
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I remember, like what I vaguely remember
Speaker 1: the first time I watched it, which is a long
Speaker 1: time ago. There's a part where they're in somebody's apartment
Speaker 1: and just all this like junk food around like instant
Speaker 1: get right apartments, instant noodles and like beer and soda,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, ah, that's nice. I wonder why
Speaker 1: that is animated food. There's like an account on Twitter
Speaker 1: that's just dedicated to like animation, like animated food from
Speaker 1: me as Okfel And well now it's become like fetishized,
Speaker 1: like the the like your name and that that animator
Speaker 1: whose name I'm totally blanking on now because that's what
Speaker 1: I do, but like his shots of food are just
Speaker 1: like so idealized and beautiful and lingered on and just
Speaker 1: like totally gratuitous and like nobody cares about what these
Speaker 1: characters eatium, but they'll be like a five seconds service. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so people can go on. Yeah, the giant
Speaker 1: Touble our own bara. Have you really like Polar Bear Cafe?
Speaker 1: That was the show somebody? I never Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I never watched. It's great. It's about a bunch of
Speaker 1: very realistically drawn animals who all like work at a
Speaker 1: cafe together. So it's like friends. Yeah, at like friends.
Speaker 1: It's run by a polar bear. It's a lazy panda,
Speaker 1: lazy millennial panda. Millennial panda, speaking of lazy millennial pandas
Speaker 1: to talk about these moon bears, oh we have we
Speaker 1: have two very good small animal content things to share.
Speaker 1: So basically, Wired recently reported that thousands of water bears
Speaker 1: a k. Tar Degrades were stranded on the Moon after
Speaker 1: an Israeli spacecraft crashed following a failed landing attempt. So
Speaker 1: besides the water bears, the craft had um human DNA
Speaker 1: samples and an archive of human society and culture. But
Speaker 1: the tar Degrades, which are if I mean, if you
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, you already know, their microscopic creatures.
Speaker 1: They were also called moss piglets. They look like tiny
Speaker 1: little they kind of look like bears, but they're microscopic.
Speaker 1: But they can withstand crazy temperature, you know, extreme. They've
Speaker 1: survived past any other species, and they can dehydrate themselves
Speaker 1: by like bawling themselves up into these tiny little pellets,
Speaker 1: and then they can This was also featured on an
Speaker 1: episode of Octonuts, which is why I know. But they
Speaker 1: go into a dehydrated state and then they're even more resilient,
Speaker 1: and then you can revive them up to like ten
Speaker 1: years later by just like putting water on them and
Speaker 1: their back to life. So they were brought in this
Speaker 1: spaceman sion and now but then there was a crash
Speaker 1: and now they're just stranded on the moon. What do
Speaker 1: people think something bad's going to happen? Is it like
Speaker 1: the beginning of a horror movie? Maybe something great's going
Speaker 1: to happen. What I was saying with that, apparently there's
Speaker 1: a lot of trash on the moon. Yeah, apparently we
Speaker 1: left a lot of trash or there. Before. I was
Speaker 1: listening to a story about this on MPR, but it
Speaker 1: was about the tartar grades. But then that they were
Speaker 1: also bringing up the fact that when we have been
Speaker 1: on the Moon in the past, we have you know,
Speaker 1: left some human waste and stuff. We just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: why they just had to empty it out. That's so
Speaker 1: need them. Nobody was really thinking about this. I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Rude, it's very rude, idled. I wish
Speaker 1: I knew more about it. I just happened to hear that,
Speaker 1: and I guess it makes sense that that would happen,
Speaker 1: But it never occurred to me before that that was like,
Speaker 1: in addition to an American flag, would like to throw
Speaker 1: it into space? Um, yeah, people throw space garbage into ace?
Speaker 1: I think too, right, aren't there like space like trash ships,
Speaker 1: trash satellites, trash satellite. Well there's some dead satellite that
Speaker 1: are still orbiting. Yeah, I guess I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: I thought, people rejected trash into space. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: not real. Let's start this rumor now, confusing like the
Speaker 1: plastic island in the ocean with some sort of like
Speaker 1: satellite satellite clusters, we put trash everywhere. I know, what
Speaker 1: else would we be doing if we If anyone's been
Speaker 1: up there, they have definitely left trash. That's like our
Speaker 1: whole m o as human beings. I think it's also
Speaker 1: in a weird way, maybe that's comforting that everything just
Speaker 1: doesn't disappear into the void of space immediately, says, I've
Speaker 1: never gone too deep on the conspiracy theory. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know the basics that people just think, whatever, we
Speaker 1: didn't go to the moon and they filmed that. So
Speaker 1: when's the most recent shot of this flag, of this
Speaker 1: American flag. That's a great question, because there was a
Speaker 1: question satellite spacecraft catch a picture of it. What does
Speaker 1: it look like? Are there holes in it? Or is
Speaker 1: it like pristine or is it not even there because
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Yeah, Oh I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think they made it, you know, like it crap,
Speaker 1: like people weren't on it on it, right, it was
Speaker 1: just on the moon on the Israeli No, it was
Speaker 1: an unmanned It was unmanned, but it could have still
Speaker 1: been taking pictures. One would assume that an unmanned spacecraft
Speaker 1: would be taking pictures along the way because it's pretty
Speaker 1: easy to do and transmitting them like super cameras. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like three six just down on the roof of
Speaker 1: a tall building. A friend of yeah, a friend of
Speaker 1: me was just sending pictures. He got a telescope and
Speaker 1: he's like out in the countryside and he was like
Speaker 1: taking incredibly close up photos of the Moon. I wonder
Speaker 1: if you could just get close enough to see to
Speaker 1: see the flag and the moon trash. Oh, man, I
Speaker 1: like the idea of the human DNA somehow plicing with
Speaker 1: the water bear DNA, and then we get a water
Speaker 1: bear human hybrid colony on the moon. Oh yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: a little loss piglet humans. Yeah, what if there are aliens?
Speaker 1: But it's humans fault that we created aliens moon and
Speaker 1: nights are they even aliens? At that point we should
Speaker 1: take a night call. Hi. My name is Logan U.
Speaker 1: I cost a couple of days ago about some apps
Speaker 1: um estrological stuff, and I've been listening to some past
Speaker 1: episodes and I have a few more things of note
Speaker 1: to add UM. One would be that I've heard you
Speaker 1: briefly mentioned UM. I for sure heard Molly briefly mentioned
Speaker 1: the Inner Pump rules. And I'm listening to episode thirty
Speaker 1: and you guys were talking about the Low Seas murder,
Speaker 1: murder house. And I didn't know if you guys knew this,
Speaker 1: but Dossie it was actually going to buy it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought that you might find that interesting. So I
Speaker 1: just drove by the Los Fela's murder House yesterday just
Speaker 1: because clarify. Yes, there are so many murder houses. There
Speaker 1: are the murder house. We talked about that on the
Speaker 1: one that we talked about. So we're talking about doctor
Speaker 1: our House, not Manson murder House, not the Lobbianca, and
Speaker 1: not potentially Black Dahlia. Uh, there's a black Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the black? Is the Frankloid right on Franklin's Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: Frankly Junior or torture chamber in the basement Jas house.
Speaker 1: So there's three Is that for sale? No? What it
Speaker 1: actually sold? And now that they're renting it out. But
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to stand there. A company
Speaker 1: was there, which I was like, great horror movie idea,
Speaker 1: the weed company that moves into the Black Doll. Yet
Speaker 1: I follow that. I have not attended any kind of
Speaker 1: open house there, but I wanted to. So did you
Speaker 1: guys look up this Stasi potentially? First of all, are
Speaker 1: you familiar with vander Pump rules at all. I've never
Speaker 1: seen the show, but i've the restaurants have been pointed
Speaker 1: out to me Pump and sir, yeah, yes, I know
Speaker 1: the basically, So it's a it's a popular villain villainess
Speaker 1: of of vander Pumper girls. I actually haven't watching it
Speaker 1: such a long time, but I want to just know.
Speaker 1: She's a like a true crime person. But like, what
Speaker 1: doesn't mean she was going to buy it? And then
Speaker 1: because I could say I was going to buy it
Speaker 1: and decided not to, I would say sometimes when something
Speaker 1: like that goes for sale, a bunch of people put
Speaker 1: their names out there just to get well, this one
Speaker 1: is the one that's for sale, but it's cash only.
Speaker 1: You have to pay cash, like two million or something
Speaker 1: like that for it. So I'm just like wondering she
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun to this person's relationship to
Speaker 1: the vendor Pump organizations. She she's a show she's a
Speaker 1: show member. The problem with the show is that what
Speaker 1: made it good originally was that they were all struggling
Speaker 1: cater waiters at these restaurants, but then eventually they became
Speaker 1: too famous from the show for it to be believable
Speaker 1: that they were still struggling. But I don't know that
Speaker 1: she would have This is my questions, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know does she have two million? And they all that
Speaker 1: was what that doesn't mean two million in cash? Well,
Speaker 1: let me just see, so is it Stacy Schroeder. So
Speaker 1: in sixteen she went for Pucker and pout dot com.
Speaker 1: She went to go tour it, and then she became
Speaker 1: very interested in it, and then on Instagram in seventeen
Speaker 1: she said, dear Los Fiela's murder house, I need to
Speaker 1: live in you. Okay, So it's like a whole. It's
Speaker 1: like a several before a Lisa Bloom got it. Then
Speaker 1: she was interested in before before Lisa. Then five days
Speaker 1: ago on Twitter she says my new home. I'm such
Speaker 1: a stalker with a link to the murder House. So
Speaker 1: she's been wanting this house now for wow. So it's
Speaker 1: not just to the present. She use that doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like like a serious offer. No, that's I can tweet,
Speaker 1: I say, like I can tweet set correction five days ago,
Speaker 1: I just said the link. So five days ago she's
Speaker 1: moved on from stocking Lollis Pila's Murderhouse to Megan Markle's
Speaker 1: old Los Angeles home. Oh my gosh, so she I
Speaker 1: think she's just doing the thing where you say where
Speaker 1: you just put out the secret and you're like, I
Speaker 1: want this house intentions, and it's going to I tell houses,
Speaker 1: I'm going to live in them all the time. What's
Speaker 1: a house? You want to live in? Any house? I'll
Speaker 1: take it. Creepy, crawling. We don't take another night call?
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to take another another one? So here
Speaker 1: we have an email from Christina. Hey, what's up. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to be dramatic, but mondays are die or
Speaker 1: screaming torture without you, guys, and I hope you come
Speaker 1: back soon. Side note, we will, and maybe we are.
Speaker 1: If I'm carrying this being recorded in a time warp,
Speaker 1: we're in a time work. Anyway. I tried to call
Speaker 1: into the live cast about this, but unfortunately I missed
Speaker 1: most of it. Did you see this Banana's Reddit thread
Speaker 1: about scuba diving mysteries to recap Here are some of
Speaker 1: my favorite fucked up things witnessed by divers. One a
Speaker 1: safe full of porcelain dolls, to a human skeleton locked
Speaker 1: in harpoon combat with a fish skeleton. Three entire fucking
Speaker 1: towns for a shared nitrogen narcosis hallucination of a red octopus,
Speaker 1: and the only reason they knew something was up was
Speaker 1: that it's apparently impossible to see the color red at
Speaker 1: the depth they were at. A guy's lungs exploding out
Speaker 1: of his face from the bends. Anyway, who's been scuba diving?
Speaker 1: Not me. I don't really submerge my body in the
Speaker 1: goddamn ocean, and now I extra super don't do it.
Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, I was frolicking waist deep
Speaker 1: in the San Francisco Bay, not even the ocean proper,
Speaker 1: and some fishermen pulled some fucking bat rays out of
Speaker 1: the water right next to me. I've had it, officially,
Speaker 1: I'm an ocean voyeur only by thank you Christina. Have
Speaker 1: you guys ever been scuba diving? No, wary, A lot
Speaker 1: of You have to really want a scuba dive. In
Speaker 1: order to scuba dive, like, you have to train for it.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who scuba dives, my friend Lily.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, she has a great reason is scuba dive.
Speaker 1: But she learned how to do it in order to
Speaker 1: go under the ice in the Arctic, in the Antarctic,
Speaker 1: not the Arctic, and that to me was the scariest
Speaker 1: possible place to dive too, because you're under She's an
Speaker 1: amazing artist's and so she got this like grant to
Speaker 1: go on a ship with a bunch of scientists and
Speaker 1: be this artist in residence. But yeah, she learned how
Speaker 1: to dive for it. Uh. And then she took a
Speaker 1: lot of footage under the ice and that was like
Speaker 1: the coolest and craziest thing I've ever seen. That was
Speaker 1: crazy bioluminescent stuff down there. I know people who do
Speaker 1: it kind of casually where it's like something's being offered,
Speaker 1: but you have to have a license to do it.
Speaker 1: But you get the I think you get the license
Speaker 1: in like a day or two off and you have
Speaker 1: to like learn by going to like a strip mall
Speaker 1: that has like a tiny pool in the back. I've
Speaker 1: always been curious about these like scuba training places. I
Speaker 1: thought that you go, you do it. You can do
Speaker 1: it in the field, I think, but the thing is
Speaker 1: that you have to know you have to do it
Speaker 1: in a strip mall. It's true, you're not ready for
Speaker 1: the ocean yet, kid, have you Has anyone ever did
Speaker 1: an isolation tank. Speaking of strips, David has a give
Speaker 1: certificate to do one, and I'm really jealous he's going
Speaker 1: to do one in New York before he leaves. I
Speaker 1: knew a couple of people do like a like an
Speaker 1: Altered States isolation. There are a lot in the valley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like full darkness, like submerging water. People are gravity.
Speaker 1: Well sure, but what isn't fun? Like you're happy your
Speaker 1: happiest point. You die when you're like your your safest.
Speaker 1: A couple of my friends did it and did not
Speaker 1: like it because they said the water smelled weird and
Speaker 1: that they could never smell like people are smelled like
Speaker 1: chlorine or they're probably chlorine. You should give you some
Speaker 1: thing so you can't smell anything you're in the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's pitch black. Yeah yeah, doesn't that sound fo.
Speaker 1: The closest thing I did was that James Terrell thing
Speaker 1: that was really great. Then that was when you were
Speaker 1: like in the kind of like we talked about that
Speaker 1: on Girls and Hoodies. And then Emily and I did
Speaker 1: the one in Las Vegas. Uh no, I did the
Speaker 1: one here, I did the one at Lacma. Well, there's
Speaker 1: not it's not that's not. Actually, this is the one
Speaker 1: where you go in one at a time. You have
Speaker 1: to buy a ticket ahead of time, and it's like
Speaker 1: a brown Oh, the one that's like an air it's
Speaker 1: so it's eat you're lying down. Yeah, I would you
Speaker 1: get carted and not into that. I could tell that
Speaker 1: was not your jam. But why then would you entertain
Speaker 1: the darkened liquid version? Because I want to be underwater.
Speaker 1: That's so much scarier to me. No, because I want
Speaker 1: to live underwater that it's like the dream. Yeah. A
Speaker 1: friend of mine used the term sleeps in water. I
Speaker 1: think I've probably bored you with this before I've been
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it on a podcast. It's a
Speaker 1: p person. It's like a certain kind of complexion that
Speaker 1: looks like you are. It's not like puffy. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: damp and like sallow too and dewey. But like like
Speaker 1: Tim Robin, sleeps in water. It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: It's not greasy. No, it's not greasy. It's not you're
Speaker 1: not wet because you woke up. You're wet from being
Speaker 1: asleep in water. Generally, generally people's when somebody's skin is dewey,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing, right, Yeah, but this is a
Speaker 1: bias against greasy skin. It's like it's like soft, let's
Speaker 1: blow this open. Greasy skin and skin are the same,
Speaker 1: the same thing. Stewey is like wet greasy. No it's not.
Speaker 1: It looks the same whenever it looks like, well, the
Speaker 1: honestly the highlighter and then when you spray stuff on it,
Speaker 1: that to me is just grease. Like you all look
Speaker 1: greasy at all. I mean, well, but I would say
Speaker 1: you're glowy, not dewey, because dewey would be You're more
Speaker 1: shine in the tea zone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm here to critique. Everyone's up here and snorkeling. Oh
Speaker 1: I love snorkeling. Snarling great, for sure. Everyone's been snorking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I was somewhere. You got off a boat
Speaker 1: and you look it. You look down and we saw
Speaker 1: some big turtles. Yeah. Oh that's the best. If you
Speaker 1: get turtles, that's uh. You know what's kind of advanced snorkeling, though,
Speaker 1: is when you see people with a snorkel. It's probably
Speaker 1: not that advance, but when they go under and they
Speaker 1: kind of dive and then their snorkel fills up with
Speaker 1: water and they come up and do it like a blowhole.
Speaker 1: I was like, is that what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just supposed to stay as a
Speaker 1: breathing to. I want to go snorkeling so much. You
Speaker 1: could do it anytime, So you just need to slather
Speaker 1: on like all of a sudden screat Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I do every time I go outside. And then if
Speaker 1: you go in water, my brother's friends would call it
Speaker 1: the oil spill when you would go in their pool
Speaker 1: because screen comes off. I saw something also about a
Speaker 1: woman who had an octopus attack her face. Did you
Speaker 1: guys see that she was trying to eat it? She was, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: a different one. What, Oh my god. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: bringing it up because it's another one. This woman was
Speaker 1: in like Nova Scotia or something. She was taking octopus
Speaker 1: for a like a photo for like an Instagram opportunity.
Speaker 1: She put it like up against her face and it
Speaker 1: just like gloamed onto her face and stuck its beak
Speaker 1: in her face. Do it OCTOPI lately with OCTOPI rebellion
Speaker 1: because Emily it was Cristis. I guess it's octopuses. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think occopy is a kickier it is it sounds
Speaker 1: fun Yeah, well a lot of there are many, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the stories about them. Because I noticed something that
Speaker 1: I've been hearing more people people who eat you know,
Speaker 1: beef and chicken and stuff having there was there like
Speaker 1: a specific viral video. It's like three or four times
Speaker 1: the past couple of months of people at a restaurant
Speaker 1: being like, you know, I used to eat a lot
Speaker 1: of octaves. I feel funny about it now, And they
Speaker 1: were referencing some I think it's this other thing we
Speaker 1: were talking about where a woman was yeah, during a
Speaker 1: muck bang, and it like that's not even the one
Speaker 1: that clearly there's a lot. There's there's one that I
Speaker 1: saw that didn't that was a it seemed like an
Speaker 1: octopus doing an obstacle. Course that shows how like smart
Speaker 1: they are, you know, like if they hit, if you know,
Speaker 1: they'll figure out how to like make it through if
Speaker 1: they got to get small. And then maybe there's is
Speaker 1: there another big octopus viral video that's one on a
Speaker 1: on a fishing ship and it's just like it jumps
Speaker 1: out of a bucket and it's kind of going all
Speaker 1: over the place, like please let me out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're very smart. They are very smart. And here's what
Speaker 1: it really feels like. There's a wave. There is a
Speaker 1: coordinated wave. Well, maybe they're coming for us. That would
Speaker 1: be great. I will totally respect. Yeah, I've been a
Speaker 1: fan of that. I've been defending them for a long time.
Speaker 1: Know they're not coming after me. I'm really happy about it.
Speaker 1: I feel smug, to be honest with you. People were
Speaker 1: really worried about dolphins in the seventies, in the nineties two.
Speaker 1: Well there was it was the whole like tuna, you know,
Speaker 1: dolphin No, but I mean they were also like, dolphins
Speaker 1: are so smart they might take over. Well yeah, because
Speaker 1: also that was because a flipper like, yeah, I've go
Speaker 1: the dolphin. Um, well cool, thank you so much joining us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's all the content that you're We've
Speaker 1: taken over like five or six different topics. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's all go enjoy a delightful Fresca. Yeah. Yeah,
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