WEBVTT - 75: Once Upon A Time ... In Dunkin with Ezra Koenig 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.200 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.880 two am at Central Perk and you're listening tonight Call. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.320 Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call podcast for your 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.520 strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lamberton. Here with 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.560 me in Los Angeles are Test Lynch and Emily Oshida. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:37.040 What's right all the time? I am a Los Angeles resident. Correct. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.919 As now we've called the corners and later today we'll 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.400 be joined by our guests as Arcanig of Vampire Weekend. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.640 To celebrate, we wanted to tell you about a fungal 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.960 hallucinogen that makes bugs party till their boots fall off. Guys, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.680 I'm obsessed with this. I talked about it on the 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.480 Daily Zeitgeist um when I guess it a like a 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.280 while ago. But we really need to talk about the 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.240 party bugs. So cicadas are being infected with a fungus 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.800 that makes that This obviously, by the way, comes from 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.840 live science. Where else would it come from. So this 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.800 fungus has traces of amphetamines in it, and as a result, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.960 it makes the bugs like jittery and they kind of 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.880 they're like part They're dancing and they're having sex with 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.479 each other. They have sex with whoever is around um, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.639 and then the fungus makes their bodies explode and legs 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.480 are flying off and guts are spraying everywhere, and it's 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:38.000 crazy a party. Their butt falls. Yeah, it's hallucinogens and amphetamines. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.959 Their traces of that in the fungus. UM it's the 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.440 massapora fungus. So where's this happening, Like, where's the fungus? 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.880 The pocatos are everywhere? The people doing research where at 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.040 the University of West Virginia UM And so I guess 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.360 the fungus is sexually transmitted. So the males infected with 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.240 Massapora will try to populate with each other, imitating the 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.840 behavior of female cicada in order to lure an unsuspecting male, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.240 another potential host for the zombie like fungus, says Live Science. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.600 So they fly around, they're spraying everybody with guts. They're 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.680 called flying flying salt shakers of death by the leader 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:25.639 of this study. Looking from my lost salt shaker of death. Nice. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.920 So anyway, look out for for flying body parts of bugs. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.800 It don't worry, it's just the zombie fungus in their brains. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.360 Don't worry. Don't worry about the party bugs. Speaking of 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.360 party bugs, it's the fiftieth anniversary of the Tatee Manson murders. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.480 As we we didn't do this on purpose because we're 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.519 not edge lords. We just one to mentions. We're talking 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.680 about once upon time in Hollywood. I feel that enough 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.320 time has passed by the time you're listening to this, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.720 which we'll be honest, we don't know when that is 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.360 quite yet, but we know it'll be soon. Soon within 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.760 the time warp it will. Yeah, we'll yeah, you'll you'll 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.320 be hearing this. Hopefully you've seen the movie. We talked 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.639 a lot about it a little bit in our newsletter, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.440 which if you are um, did we talk about it? 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.160 I forget where we are, thoughts live. Sometimes. We talked 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.519 about it on the newsletter, which you can be subscribed 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.639 to if you support us on Patreon at patreon dot 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.440 com slash nightcall Um, but we haven't actually talked about 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.680 it on Mike altogether. And now I'm feeling like I 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.640 should just see it again because I feel like I 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.280 need to have a new, a new like perspective. I'm 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.560 talking about this movie with you guys because I feel 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.920 like every conversation I've had with it, I'm like outnumbered screen, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.720 you liked be esthetic a lot, but you didn't you 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.560 weren't super pleased with the narrative. Yeah, I still don't. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.560 I still feel like people are. I still feel like 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.600 when I see people talking about Once upon a Time 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:13.680 in Hollywood being Tarantino's most empathetic um or like grown 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.640 up or emotionally mature movie, I don't follow that logic. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.800 I feel like people want the movie to be that, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.880 and like that desire for it is enough to get 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.080 you there, but like I don't know, Like the the 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.000 end of the movie, I still can't really I still 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.839 can't really see. And again we're spoiling this all the 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.960 way because you've seen this movie by now. I cannot 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:41.000 see Leonardo DiCaprio low torching a teenage girl as um 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.799 like mature. Interesting. Again, That's why I think it's also 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:49.880 an alt right movie. They were going to murder other 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:56.080 people the rest passing with the intention you could you 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.400 could there's a there's a lot of ways you could 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.239 shoot you there's not shoots the wrong word in this case, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.480 but like there's a lot of ways you could film 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.040 I'm murdering it like you're you're you're doing the like 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:14.240 the Minority Report logic on this, which I feel like 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.039 I don't necessarily want to see someone burnt to a 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.840 crisp with my Minority Report logic. I guess I've never 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.800 see Minority Reports see crime logic? You mean yeah, like 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.760 a yeah read Philippi Dick. But yeah, should I see 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.000 Minority Report? Oh? Absolutely, Minority Reports Great. I mean I 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.200 think I saw it in the theater for the podcast 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.679 for it. Well, I'm down. There's a there's a chase 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.039 where he like hops on floating cars. Just do a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.840 sci fi dystopia series. Yeah. Absolutely, Minority Reports pretty great. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.800 I watched it somewhat recently and it holds up. I 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.280 like this movie a lot. I'm such a mark for it. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.560 I don't know if I could even have a subjective 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.560 opinion about it. I had no. I was not like 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.320 looking forward to it at all. The whole advertising campaign. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.159 I wasn't like amped or anything. My friend was like, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.320 I'm buying tickets at the Dome, and I was like, okay, cool, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.839 But I really enjoyed it. Well, I think I didn't 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.200 expect to like, well, know this the Brucely part. The 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.280 Brucele part was the first time we all agreed that 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.360 that was maybe I'm projecting more. But that's the thing. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.320 I guess. It's like, is it a movie, is it 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.279 taught like I'm Is it an indictment of masculine bullshit? 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.160 Or is it praising it? I think it's an indictment. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.200 I think it is too. I do not think so 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.520 Brabi killed his wife. But if you're not supposed to 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.719 like him, but they make it funny, it is funny. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.919 But I also just like, again, I'm like such a 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.120 mark for hippie's plantation movies. I'm a mark for all 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.200 this stuff too. And that's the thing that I was expecting. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.000 I was not looking forward to seeing this movie. But 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.159 I was also like, I'm gonna watch this movie and 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.960 then I'm gonna come out like begrudgingly loving it. Like 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.440 that's gonna be my feeling because that happens to me 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.840 somewhat for were you like not enough manson girls? No? 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.600 Oh no. But I also didn't think that. I didn't 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.200 feel like he had anything to say about the man's singirls, 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.040 like I don't. I feel like everything was served up, 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.000 all the things that I like and think are interesting 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.560 were served up with like very little context or comment 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.520 around them. I didn't really and I feel like so 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.840 I feel like a lot of the stuff that people 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.400 are bringing to it is like their own, their own stuff. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:21.880 I think that's true. But do you think that's true 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.000 about every movie? I feel like that was intentional, And 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.040 I think with Tarantino especially, it's like people bring so 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.560 much to their own I don't think with Taranto. Tarantino 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.600 is always screaming at you what he wants to. But 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.640 this is just like such a flex also Tarantino, you 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.600 know you like it or you don't. Yeah, I mean, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.160 I I was talking in our in our chat, like 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.800 I love Kill Bill. I particularly like like Kill Bill 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.760 part two, Like that's my favorite Quentin Tarantino movie. And 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:59.800 I I am like gen generally like willing to be 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.640 willing to be won over? You not went over by 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:09.120 Margot Robbie that the human embodiment of the Smiley not really? 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.160 Did you not find her charming? I thought she was 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.080 just charming. She's charming. Yeah, but it's like, again, there's 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.560 not that much in that, you know, Like I mean, 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.360 it's it's like it's very like surfacing, you know, like 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.480 there's so like when people are also like this is 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.160 the most nuanced portrait of a woman that that Tarantino 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:34.720 has ever brought us, and that's not true. But Jackie 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.960 Brown is his best movie. And to me, I'm like, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.800 this feels grown up and emotionally, so this feels closer 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.320 to that than his things he's done since then to me, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.800 because at least it's taking on the idea of like 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.520 aging at all. The other about it being more personal, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.560 which I think is definitely you feel, and I think 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.679 that what I appreciated his kind of like however, he 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.760 was confronting things that he's had to kind of deal with, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.800 like with you know, like the karmen Ghia and like 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.120 the you know, when Brad Pitt's driving in his hair 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.440 is whipping around, it's very evocative of the scene with 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.040 Uma Thurman that then blew up and we now know, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.520 like what a dick Quentin Tarantino Wasn't do you think 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.160 that's like a couldn't like that's so like you think 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.240 he was like doing that intentionally? Well, I know that. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.200 I mean obviously the reason that he uses the karmen Gie, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.320 I think his dad had one, and so it's like 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.360 appeared a lot, but there was something that was so 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.080 the winding road, the hair whipping, or it was so 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.800 it's so mirrored that that I felt like he was 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.400 putting it into kind of like comment on it, and 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.760 I wonder and part of it seemed to me to 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:43.160 be like a nostalgia for having like having had his moment, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.680 you know what I mean, like feeling like he speaked 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.480 that stuff is there. And I think that's why the 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.000 Margot Robbie stuff works for me, because she didn't have 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.240 to have so much death as much as she had 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.040 to represent what it feels like, what it feels like 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:57.720 to be at the top of your game. This like 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.520 very kind of brief window where you're on touchable and 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.760 you're you're representing like you know what how people are 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.040 feeling and like how people are viewing things. You're at 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.160 the center of it, and then you move out of 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.440 that and it's very threatening to everybody. But it's like 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.920 an amazing thing to have, right because I don't think 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.480 he villainized her at all, and she was clearly the 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.679 representative of like, like I think people who are like 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.320 he's against the hippies and against the second part of 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.080 the sixties. It's like, I don't think that's what it 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.199 is at all. Also, the funniest thing to me is 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.720 that Leonardo DiCaprio's parents are hippies. His dad is like 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.959 a semi famous alternative comics guy. He was like friends 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.240 with our crumb uh. And the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.120 in real life became like a bro to rebel. It's 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.160 very funny. But yeah, Like, I don't think it's critical 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.240 of the new stuff. I think the whole point is 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.680 like you can't avoid it. You can only like there's 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.640 somebody somebody says something and at some point about like 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.640 you can just do whatever you can with the amount 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.480 of time you have. Yeah, I think it's just realizing 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.240 you're only going to get to make a few more movies. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.400 So like, okay, so then when when they blowed torch 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.880 the Manson Girl, is that like is that like is 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.760 that this is the point of that to be like, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.080 look at what happens if you're so stuck in your 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.040 ways that like you have to violently reject whatever like what. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.040 So I don't know, but here's what I think about that. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.640 I think it's like somebody, uh my friend Sam Sweet, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.960 who does All Night Menu, said he thought it was 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.800 like a like a great Trump movie because it's like 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.679 a post truth movie. It's a movie where it's like 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.000 history is whatever you say it is. Yeah, that's that's 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.600 been his yea for a while. Yeah, it's like that 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.520 guy who wrote all the books about where the what 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.320 if the South had won? Right now? It's that might 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.040 be his next movie. Yeah, I mean that was Django 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.200 kind of it was the opposite, but it wasn't as 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.360 funny as this. I think it's just like some of 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.320 that stuff felt well because in those movies and Inglorious 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.640 Bastards and in Djingo, you're talking about like like the 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:03.520 huge regiemes, whether it's slavery or the Nazis, like these 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.160 are and they can be seen in the abstract and 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.480 represented by a few people in the context of a film. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.360 But what is being violently taken down a historically and 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.000 those films is the concept that they those people represent 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.280 in it. And in this I don't think that there's 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.120 a big enough concept unless you're talking about like all 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.160 of hippie dem or like all of the counterculture. Like, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.000 so it's not I think I don't think it's about that. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.719 I think it's about fantasy violence and film being a 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.440 totally different thing from real life violence, you know, and 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.840 how it's like you can totally enjoy fantasy violence and 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.839 film and it doesn't have any core like you because 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.360 when they first show him blowtorching the Nazi, it is 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.280 like so satisfying to see somebody blowtorching a Nazi because 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.439 you're just like, oh, I wish I could do that. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.720 That's everybody's fantasy right now, son are because when they're 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.040 leading up to it, you're just like expecting to see 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.920 this real life thing in the play on the anti 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.440 say patient of her, and then the fact that you 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.160 need a cathartic relief. It's but like, what did you 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.400 guys feel that? Because I thought, like, what did you? 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.160 I just thought they didn't show the murdering pregnant Charon 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.480 Tate like I thought they were going to. They murdered 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.559 somebody else, but the person is it real? It doesn't matter. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.960 It's a fantasy that's neither like but neither is Margot 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.240 Robbie as But like you know that in real life, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.440 it's like if they had shown that, no matter how 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.720 they would have shown it, it would have glamorized it 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.920 in some way, and I thought it would be great 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.960 that twist came up and before that was widely known 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.720 that that was the thing that happens in the movie 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.640 you're still paying for, like to see what you could 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.560 leave to be an adaptation. How fucked up are you 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.400 that you want to see that? It was like I 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.440 felt like a gotcha. That's the whole thing about the 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.319 Manson murders is like they're so glamorized and turned into entertainment, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.800 but it's like the most fucked up thing to have happened, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.000 and it affected a lot of real people that truly 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.920 like subversive thing would be that nobody violently dies, like 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.880 that would be them. That would be a good movie. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:07.400 That would be a bad movie because like, like nothing 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.079 about the rest of that movie says somebody's got to die. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.000 It is the most chill ask for the fact that 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.360 there's a real that you know that the real characters 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.559 are there, that you think that you know the ending, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.600 and then you see like the gears turning to ramp 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.000 up like you're going up on the roller coaster. But 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.000 then you know, I think what Molly said, it is 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:29.920 true that you're anticipating seeing this grizzly murder that actually happened, recreated, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.400 and you realize that you do because it's the story 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.120 of that you you don't want to see it. You're like, no, no, no, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.840 don't happen. But then you also know that you can't 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.640 just not have anything happen, because did I think such 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.720 a good job of making you be like Sharon Tate? 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.760 Was this like the most vibrant person in the world 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.200 that everybody was drawn to and it was like a 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.560 total random accident that it was her. You know that 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:58.600 it wasn't like planned around Rosemary's baby or anything. And again, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.440 I think the fact that they didn't you was it 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.480 wasn't like specific. I don't know, it was kind of 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.560 a specific, which is why I was also like, they're 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.280 just like red Shirts getting torched. Maybe that's my girl 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.040 boss feminism is. I don't care if the Red Shirts 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.160 or teenage girls if they're murdering. But you know what 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.400 I wonder, I do wonder if Emily is right like 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.880 seeing it a second time and it may kind of 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.520 take the pleasure out of it a little bit, Like now, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.440 especially now that we've had this discussion, I think that 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.720 a lot of it. It is a movie that's probably 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.440 best watched once, Like you're only going to get that. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.600 People are also like too sympathetic to the Manson girls 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.840 in general because they have good fashion, and I don't 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.920 think the people are sympathetic to me. But this is 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.880 the thing, is that I think this movie made me 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.480 more sympathetic. And for about five seconds before what happened happened, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.360 this movie made me more sympathetic to the Manson girls 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.040 than anything I've seen before because they make this argument 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.280 the reason that they decided to go kill Rick Dalton 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.560 instead is like we've been brought up on this culture 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.880 of violence and like TV heroes and stuff, and what 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.640 if we like went and killed that guy, that would 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.240 be more more interesting symbol than killing Sharon Tate or 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.240 whoever we think is in that mansion. Um. And that 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.840 felt more purposeful than like what they were actually doing, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.560 um in real life. Uh, And that felt more interesting 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.920 for a second. Not that I mad made me side 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.520 with them, but it was like, that's at least some 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.880 kind of like, uh principle that you're operating off of 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.400 instead of some some like gobbledygook like handed down to 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.560 you by Manson. Well, don't you also feel like that 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.320 may have been Tarantino feeling like he's been under attack 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.800 for violence in movies like Playing Well. I think it's 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:39.320 also notable that he didn't double down on having somebody 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.920 say the N word in this movie, because he super 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.800 seems like the kind of person who would be like, Oh, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.120 you don't want me to do something, I'm going to 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.040 do it a hundred more times. But it did. But 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.480 it did also feel to me like a weird absence 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.600 because maybe it's just because when they were filming it, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.640 they had a bunch of fake black panther recruitment posters 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.120 as set dressing um, and I kind of expected that 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.720 to come into play more, which is that the way 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.120 Manson was able to like weaponize the paranoia of everybody 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.199 was that he was also weaponizing, like he thought he 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.439 was weaponizing white paranoia about black radicals. You know, the 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.679 absence of that feels like telling like in his In 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.080 this telling of this story, the Manson murders are about 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.520 the loss of a beautiful like women who died before 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.520 she became truly famous, instead of like a super racist, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.359 like deranged rhetoric around like a race war. Well, that 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.880 was the thing too is I was like, it actually 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.560 would have been powerful if he had shown Manson saying it, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.879 because if the whole point had been like, hey, this 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.840 white guy saying it and he's not cool, you know, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.199 and he is brainwashing people, Like it's a very selective 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.680 understanding of what like, it's very a very cherry picked, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.840 like a few elements of what the Manson family was 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.399 all about in order to serve a purpose. But I'm 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.399 not even sure what the purposes. And the purposes is 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.639 to remind you that Shampoo is a really good movie always. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.560 I also found out from this that Goldie Hawns character 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.200 in Shampoo is based on Sharon tate Um, as well 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.760 as that she was the inspiration for Malibu Barbie, speaking 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.520 of Gidget, apparently Malibu Barbie was like patterned off of 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.320 her in the movie Don't Make Waves Um. I was 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:28.359 also obviously very excited there's so much Dino in this movie. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.680 Maybe that the night called brain power is real. Well. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.719 I thought that was interesting too, because he was another 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:36.600 you know, I talked about this a lot on Karina 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.520 long Words book Club podcast, But yeah, he's a total 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.040 icon of like a past era of masculinity trying to 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.959 force his way into the sixties, and that clip from 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.600 that maybe it really shows how awkward it is. It 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.960 shows it's such a good example of why New Hollywood 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.960 needed to happen. Like if you ever like, why did 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.520 we need Easy Rider? There's like so many bloated sixties 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.800 comedies like that where you're just like, somebody spent money 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:04.520 on this. Um, guys, we will for sure be talking 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.600 more about once spont a time in Hollywood after we've 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.760 all seen it a second time. But in the meantime, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:10.680 I think we're out of time for today. We're so 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.640 happy to have Emily back in l Ay and we're 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.920 going to bring on our guest as Arcane Egg from 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:30.720 Vampire Weekend to talk about anime and other things. We'd 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.640 like to welcome our very special guests as Arcane Eg 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.399 from Vampire Weekend, whose new album Father of the Bride 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.120 came out earlier this year. He also hosts the excellent 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.360 talk show Time Crisis on Apple Music and is a 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:52.480 long time Nightcall supporter, psychically spiritual supporter. He's ascended, He's 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.320 a fully ascended member. UM. We were just talking about 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.400 how Coffee Bean has a new line of beverages based 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.720 off the show Friends. This coincides with what is a 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.399 pottery barn or Crete and Barrel also doing a Friend's 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.120 themed line. There's a lot of Friends things coming out 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:12.960 and make friends person Well, you know, I I did 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.240 like Friends when I was a kid, and I have 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.760 a memory of, uh when when probably being in six 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.000 or seventh grade and being at the mall with my mom. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.280 I can't imagine what store this would have been. And 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.200 I remember, like a lot of kids at school like Friends, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.320 and I've seen it. I thought it was a good 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.159 show and there was a friend's T shirt for sale, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.240 and she, you know, she let me buy some shirts 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:37.480 here and that she even let me get a dead 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.399 Kennedy's T shirt once, which she found offensive, but she 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.520 she like respected my right to get a dead cool mom. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.320 I appreciated that. But for some reason she put her 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.320 foot down. I don't know if she'd already like, you know, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.000 bought me a shirt recently, but she was just like, no, 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:53.399 you can't get that shirt. And I remember I was 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:54.840 kind of come on, I want to I want this 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.000 friend's T shirt and she was like, no, you can't 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.679 get it. And then um, I remember thinking reflecting on 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.680 that you know when I was an adult and thing 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.320 like thank you, I'm really good. She knew you were 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.960 too good for that friend shirt. Yeah. I was really 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.320 into T shirts too, but for some and then when 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:14.919 I look back on the shirts that I used to have, 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.720 it was like kind of a classic like type of 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.520 kids like Dead Kennedy's shirt. I had, like the classic 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:24.840 Akira T shirt. Um, and uh yeah, the Friends would 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.359 have like totally totally thrown off the collection. So I 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.719 was really a fan of being the person whose personality 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.040 is buying shirts from the store at the mall. Well 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.480 or did you get any of these mail order catalogs that? Yeah, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.480 I like, I used to like pour over there was 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.920 like there's one called like Rockabilia that was all just 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.959 various rock T shirts. In fact, that's hound became familiar 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.760 with a lot of bands. Was just like, through looking 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.760