1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Alexa's code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: want you to know. This is our Strange News segment. 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, folks. Should we even call 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: things strange? News? At this point? Is not all news 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: and every news program a little bit strange here in 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of the answer is yes, but we decided 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: to call it strange. Who's way before NBC or ABC 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: or the other other rookies in the crowd. So welcome aboard, guys. Uh, 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Today's episode a little bit hyperbole there, Uh. Today's episode 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: is going to take us to some familiar places, some 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: ongoing threats in the US. It's going to take us 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: uh to a story of contamination that I would wager 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: many of us in the audience have not heard. And 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: we're also going to look at something interesting about the 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen stimulus bill that has nothing to do with 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. I'm very excited about all three of these. 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Where do you guys want to begin? I personally want 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: to start where you just ended there, Ben, Can we 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: can we begin there? Yeah? I mean I'm certainly intrigued. Absolutely, absolutely, Okay, 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: this is this is so bizarre. But all right, if 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: you are I think you're aware of this, even if 29 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you're not. In the United States. The government of the 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: United States federal government has been a long, harrowing time 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: arguing over the specifics of what we call the Corona 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: Virus Relief Government Funding Bill. One thing that may be 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: surprising to a lot of people who haven't really drilled 34 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: into this stuff before, or to a lot of people 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: who are not from the US, is that our legislative 36 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: branch has this ridiculous, cartoonish habit of tacking extra onto 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: a bill that has nothing to do with the purpose 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: of the bill. How far did this go? This goes 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: so far that you could, for instance, say, uh, say 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: you and code named Doc and and Matt Noel and 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: I are all part of Congress. We're a Congress of five, right, 42 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: and one of us says, hey, uh, it is literally 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: raining cats and dogs. We need to make raining cat 44 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: and dog bill to combat the massive damage that's happening 45 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: with all these dogs and cats hitting the sidewalk. And 46 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: then someone says, well, we could pass this, but I 47 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: also want a subsidy for toe cream, and that's it 48 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: has to pass that way, Like that's that's the example, right, Yeah, 49 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: it does feel a lot like that, Ben, Like just 50 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: something completely out of the blue has to go in 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: the bill or else it's dead. Is that that's not 52 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: poison pill? Necessarily could poison pill, isn't it? Like it's 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: like you give me what I want, to give you 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: you what you want. Sort of Even though the thing 55 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: that we want is something that everybody wants, it always 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: struck me as a little disingenuous and kind of bizarre. Yeah, 57 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: because if you're a member of Congress, you're always always 58 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of pitching. Everything you do is ideally a pitch 59 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to your constituents for why they should elect you the 60 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: next time your election comes up. And so to solidify 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: their base, many members of Congress or like, let's take 62 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: this bill for um, let's take this bill for uh, 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: making a national Explosions in the Sky holiday, and let's 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: tack on something that is a subsidy for the munitions 65 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: factory in my constituency. You know, I think Ben as 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: a secret post rock fan, which I just recently found out. 67 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned them occasionally for your like studying 68 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: listenings because they're instrumental, but I recently found out Ben 69 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and I have been a member of the same post 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: rock Facebook group for many years. I didn't want to add. 71 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: I like this idea of a congress of five. I 72 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: feel like we'd get a hell of a lot more 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: done than the current set up, just just putting that 74 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: out there. You know, five, now that we think about 75 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: it is great because there's never there won't really be 76 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: a deadlock, right only constituents being our wives, girlfriends or children. 77 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you imagine how corrupt they would 78 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: become and how quickly, just because the amount of money 79 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: that would be shoved at five singular people's faces. You're right, 80 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: we wouldn't let anybody know who they are, completely anonymous 81 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: on account of the bag. But oh my god, Ben, 82 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: please continue with this. I'm fascinating. Well, this, this practice 83 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: has happened to get. The Coronavirus Relief and Government Funding 84 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Bill was signed into law in December by President current 85 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. As we record this, which is tricky 86 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: that we have to say as we record this right now, 87 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: he signed it, you know, late December, and this bill 88 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: is two point three million dollars strong. As you know, 89 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't have a lot of stuff that various Congress 90 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Congress members or various factions of their constituencies wanted, like 91 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: a lot of other countries are getting, like our northern neighbors. 92 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: I think we're getting up to two K a month 93 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: for the duration of the pandemic. The big hot button 94 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: issue on the table for a lot of households in 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: the US was whether there should be any kind of 96 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: monetary or financial relief for the millions who are unemployed 97 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: or facing hardship. And if so, what that one time 98 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: or that second stimulus should look like six D or 99 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: two K. I think we're the big numbers. But this 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: bill included something else. Of course it did. Because it's 101 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: the US Congress. It doesn't matter who's in power, there's 102 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: never gonna be a bit a bill that's just about 103 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: the bill. It's like if you're in a bad relationship. 104 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: The fight is never really about the fight, it's about 105 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: something else, you know what I mean. And those dirty 106 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: dishes are kind of like a metaphor for all the 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: ways you present each other over the years. I'm sorry 108 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: that description probably just ruined some one's day. But this 109 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: extra thing that was tacked on one of them is 110 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: not as as ruinous is that horrible relationship example. For 111 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: some reason, this COVID relief bill began a one d 112 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: and eight day countdown for the U. S Intelligence agencies, 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: all of them to tell Congress everything they know about 114 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: UFOs or you know, as we know what they prefer 115 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: to call them, unidentified aerial phenomenon. So, yes, we're gonna 116 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: try to survive the pandemic as a nation. But also, 117 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: while we're at it, let's say that you have to 118 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: tell Congress what the hell is going on? Because remember, 119 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: the armed forces spent millions of dollars researching this, and 120 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: it's not it's not something that's ever been presented in 121 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: totality to Congress. Pretty nuts. I'm not sure why there's 122 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty day thing. I think that's that 123 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: might just be time for them to you coalate all 124 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: their information and cross check in fact check, etcetera. UM, 125 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: you can read about this, and CNN you can read 126 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: about it, and Vice they have a good article about this. 127 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: It also puts in something else. It doesn't say, just 128 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: give us this one time report. Oh, if you want 129 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: to read it. It's it's buried in the Committee Comments 130 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: section of the Intelligence Authorization Act for fiscal year, which 131 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: is also inside this massive spending bill. So it's a stipulation. 132 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: It's like you're going into the liner notes of a 133 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: of a really detailed you know, like one of those 134 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: special um collectors addition vinyls that has the whole discography 135 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: of something or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and 136 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: there's this long, uh printed documentary or oral history of 137 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: the thing, and you find like one liner note and 138 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: they're like and it's like this was, you know, shortly 139 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: after Mick Jagger was kicked out of NASA, and you're like, wait, 140 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: what and so the rolling stones began? But that that's 141 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: not true, I don't think. But this one, this one 142 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: also puts in this process. It says there needs to 143 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: also be an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection 144 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: and centralized analysis of all unidentified aerial phenomenon reporting for 145 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: the federal government, designate an official responsible for that process, 146 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: identify whether any of these u a p s are 147 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: national security threats, and explicitly say whether any of the 148 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: nation's known adversaries could be behind this, and the submitted 149 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: report has to be unclassified. So this has been confirmed 150 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: by Stokes, this has been confirmed by sen In by 151 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: multiple sources. It's going to happen. Um for all the 152 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: uthologists or UFO enthusiasts in the crowd, they count down 153 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: has begun. My first question for you guys, do you 154 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: think this will actually happen? So I'm just reading about 155 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: this for the first time. Then, according to what I'm seeing, 156 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: this is all contingent on whether or not the executive 157 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: honors this request and whether or not the administrations among 158 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the well the administration which is the executive, as well 159 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: as all these other military personnel who are part of 160 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: the Air Force, the Navy, and all these other places, 161 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: whether or not they actually cooperate to get this information 162 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: out there and get it declassified. So it's like there's 163 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: an order to do it, but you still got to 164 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: get everybody to actually do the thing. Even though there's 165 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: this they're calling it a request. It's more of an order. 166 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, yeah, it's phrases an order with 167 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: several different things that could go wrong, or it's sort 168 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: of structured as one. This is being put It might 169 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: surprise some people who haven't had their eyes on this. 170 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: This whole thing is being pushed by Marco Rubio. Yeah, 171 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: he is the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Um, 172 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: they want this to happen. But we also any ufologists 173 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: in the US can assure us that there have been 174 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: multiple statements, kind of off the cuff statements of various 175 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: presidential candidates. It's usually while they're running for president. They say, okay, 176 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: and also one other thing that I'm gonna do is 177 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out this UFO stuff. I mean, they 178 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: get it released. Bill Clinton said that, Um, I can't 179 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: remember what George Bush said in that matter, but a 180 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: couple of other a couple of other folks, even Donald 181 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: Trump at one time, they have said this. They've said 182 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: that when they go when they're going into office or 183 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: when they're running for office, but when they're actually in office, 184 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: it takes a back seat or a back burner because 185 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stuff to think about 186 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: when you're president, I assume yeah. And there's there's always 187 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: the the much assumed conversation that any executive coming into 188 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: office has with the intelligence community that's basically, uh, you 189 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: can't look behind those doors. You can't know what's back 190 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: there for your own safety and for national security. Oh, 191 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: you know the old I don't know if you guys 192 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: have heard this, but there's there's an old joke that 193 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: changes depending on what which industry of the U. S. 194 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: Government you're in, or which genre which branch goes let's 195 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: do it with the president. So it goes like this. 196 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: There's a guy who's elected to be the president and 197 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: on the day of his you know, his first real 198 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: day on the job, he goes in the oval office 199 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: and he asked the outgoing president for any advice, and 200 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: the outgoing president says, uh, well, I left two envelopes 201 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: on the desk, and if anything really screwy or terrible happens, 202 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: no matter how it happens, so open that first envelope 203 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: and you'll know what to do. And so they say okay, 204 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: and then, you know, like a year or two passes 205 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: in their term, and things get really dicey. Something terrible happens, 206 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's a current president's fault. And so they opened 207 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: the top right drawer of the desk or whatever, and 208 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: they take out the first envelope and they open it 209 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: and the envelope just says, blame it on me. It's 210 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: signed by the other president. And so they go on 211 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: on television and on the networks of the circuits. So 212 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: they say it was the other guy, and then boom, 213 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: their ratings are back up. They're onto year three, toward 214 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: year four. Uh, something goes wrong again, very very wrong, 215 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and this president says, okay. They opened the second envelope 216 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: and they think, all right, what are my first time 217 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: it worked? And they read the second envelope and it 218 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: says write two letters and find two envelopes. That's that's it. 219 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder, like, is that is that 220 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the kind of situation we we get in when we're 221 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: talking about how these reports get released or who is 222 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: accountable for the release of these and the various ways 223 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: that these can go wrong. And then, of course, the 224 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: argument that all of this UFO release stuff that's come out, 225 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: because there has been a lot, there's the argument that 226 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: all of it is a distraction from ongoing domestic affairs, 227 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: which I don't know what to think about that. I mean, 228 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: what do you guys think, because a lot of the 229 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: stuff that's being released is not new by any means. Yeah, 230 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: but it's nice to be able to have access to 231 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: it all in one place, like from an official source. Right, 232 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: it was just kind of piecemealing it together from various 233 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: reports and dribs and drabs on the internet. Yeah, that's 234 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: a good point. Look, I'm never gonna not think disclosure 235 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: is coming until it comes, Okay, So I don't think 236 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: a conversation with a very smart friend of mine, we 237 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: kind of hang out every every month or so and 238 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: just kind of chat about life stuff. And you know, 239 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: he's he's into conspiracy theory. He wasn't the show, um, 240 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: and he just doesn't think it's it makes sense logistically, 241 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: the idea of disclosure. Like he just he was sort 242 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: of like, just what we about science and the way 243 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: time works and the way distance works. It just doesn't 244 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't see it. And I kind of was was 245 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: on the same page as you or I'm like, oh, 246 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: all this new stuff is coming out. I feel like 247 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: we're on the edge of it, and he just kind 248 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: of pooh pooed. It took the way out of my 249 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: sales a little bit. But then I started thinking about 250 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: what he was saying. I kind of feel that side 251 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: of it too. I don't know what are your thoughts 252 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the logistics of disclosure, the logistics of 253 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: actual alien contact. It's it's all good, dude. Your friend 254 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: just doesn't know that the aliens actually are from Earth 255 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: and they live inside the spoiler. Yeah, that's I mean. 256 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: The thing is that the math is not impossible if 257 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: we are assuming conventional rules of time and space. And 258 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this before. The same math 259 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: that makes it a statistical certitude that we would have 260 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: other life in the universe is all also the same 261 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: math that makes it virtually impossible that we would ever meet, 262 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: just the time and the space involved. But if those 263 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: rules don't always apply, then it's an entirely different conversation. 264 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: Or if there's to Matt's point, if there is something 265 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: that is closer to home than we imagine, then we could, uh, 266 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: we could find ourselves in a very different conversation. You know, 267 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: for the longest time, one of the most plausible answers 268 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: has been suppressed technology built by Earth leans because we 269 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: know that happened in the past, and we know that 270 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: other governments, including Uncle Sam folks, those other governments were 271 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: more than happy to take sightings of space age bombers 272 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: and stuff and be like, oh, yeah, that's a uh, 273 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: that's an alien. I guess you're right. Yeah, it's definitely 274 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: definitely on us or ours who would build a flying 275 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: black triangle. This reminds me of the old urban legends 276 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: last you know, our story the call was coming from 277 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: inside the house. Yeah, yeah, And I'm of course, you know, 278 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: I'm joking about the concept of extraterrestrials being terrestrial and 279 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: all of that. Although unidentified submerged objects will always always 280 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: have a place in my heart. Uh just I think 281 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: any any light we can shed on this stuff is 282 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: good light because it will calm down somebody like me 283 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: that is so excited and itching to get actual evidence 284 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: if there's nothing there and we can, you know, conventionally 285 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: explain all of these things. But it will also I 286 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: think it's some weird way. I don't know, God, this 287 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: is this sounds so just happy and hippie, but in 288 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: some way thinking about this stuff, even even without the 289 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: reports and all the info. Just thinking about other life 290 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: on other planets in some way brings us together to 291 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: think about ourselves as one our you know, about manity 292 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I feel bad saying that, but 293 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: it's kind of true. Yeah, I feel you. And also, 294 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, if I was gonna design a T shirt 295 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: for this, I would I would say, who needs extra terrestrials? 296 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: When terrestrials are extra enough? I mean we have, It's 297 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: not gonna work. It's too many, like extra negative thing 298 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: like terrestrials extra Yeah, I mean we are look at 299 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: this like if you're any other form of life on 300 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: the planet, honestly, humans, we're the worst ones. Yeah, because 301 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: why we can't have nice things. That's why we can 302 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: have nice things. So the last bit of last bit 303 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: of news on this for anybody who's like I don't 304 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: want to wait a hundred and eight days. We live 305 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: in uncertain, terrible times. The Middle East is a powder keg. Authorites, 306 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Harry and governments also have nuclear weapons and are increasingly 307 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: less hesitant to invade other places. I want to know 308 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: how the movie ends now, well right now. Officially you 309 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: can obtain every single declassified CIA document on UFOs. You 310 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: can officially do it at a site that we have 311 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: shouted out in the past, the Black Vaults, which is 312 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: a privately owned clearinghouse for declassified documents in general. But 313 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: they have released downloadable archive with PDFs containing all the 314 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: CIA files on unidentified aerial phenomena. I'm not sure whether 315 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: this includes USOS yet, Matt, but let's always let's always 316 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: hope while we can uh. Some of these reports date 317 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: all the way back to the nineteen eighties. This archive 318 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: is the passion project of the founder of the Black 319 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: Vault site, John Greenwald Jr. And we're looking at the 320 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: results of somewhere a little less or a little more 321 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: than ten thousand different fo I a Freedom of Information 322 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: Act request, And this is the work of decades for 323 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: this guy. So do check it out if you want 324 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: to learn more. Be warned this will have the notoriously moving, 325 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: compelling language of a government agency. These aren't exactly page turners, 326 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: is what we're saying, but we would love What I 327 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: would love to do is crowdsource this and get a 328 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: sense from our fellow conspiracy realists over which of these reports, 329 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: over whether there's a hidden diamond in the rough here. 330 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Or a gem that corroborates 331 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: with some other proven historical event, you know what I mean, 332 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: like the allegations of unidentified flying objects disabling nuclear weapons, 333 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: things like that. Right, So let us know and let 334 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: us know what other weird stuff you found in the 335 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen stimulus bill. Because it's it's five thousand, six 336 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: hundred pages, you guys, there's all kinds of stuff in there. 337 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: It's like an unedited Stephen King novel. All Stephen King 338 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: novels are united, says a Stephen King fan. That totally 339 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: it's totally true. Really quickly, just you know, in terms 340 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: of like what these look like, like are they like 341 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: footnotes kind of or like how have you actually looking 342 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: at the documentation? How are they slipped in there? Like 343 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: that's what I kind of want to know without actually 344 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: having to read the things tedious and terrible. Many of 345 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: these are typed letters from way back when, and they're 346 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: it's difficult to even see and decipher everything that's said 347 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: in there, let alone, you know, search a PDF because 348 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: they are all in PDF format. Um. They there's about 349 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: three d and what forty two megabytes I think in 350 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: the entire thing. If you're going to download it, you know, 351 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: some of it is the actual Freedom of Information Act, 352 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: like letterhead or something, and then there will be a 353 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: black vault, I don't know on the second header that 354 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: tells you about that site, and then you'll get the 355 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: document that's like one to x number of pages. Yeah, 356 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: and I think, no, you might have. You might have 357 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: been referring to just how that slipped in congressionally in 358 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: a relief bill. No, no, no, no, these are both. 359 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: These are both very good questions. So part of it 360 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: is just that, Look, I'm not saying I'm not accusing 361 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: anyone in specific of being disingenuous. Every Congress member has 362 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: a staff, and their staff assist them with understanding what's 363 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: going on in these bills. But this bill in particular 364 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: is controversial because some members of Congress say that by 365 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: the time it was finally shared with them, it was 366 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: like a few hours before the vote. So how on 367 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: earth was their time to read it and digest everything involved? 368 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: And this kind of this kind of stuff happens quickly. 369 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: The the answer to how this can be squeezed in 370 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: is that they're so much there that you can kind 371 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: of matroshka doll a subheading into another subheading, into another subheading, 372 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: into another subheading, and then and oh, by the way, aliens, Well, yeah, 373 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: and by its very nature, I think that the issue 374 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues with like parliamentary procedure and 375 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: then our government. It's by its very nature not transparent 376 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: at all. Even the way these things get slipped in, 377 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: it's like it's like burying the lead, you know what 378 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean. We have to kind of dig, dig, dig, 379 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: dig to even find a semblance of what the hell 380 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: is actually going on in some of these things. And 381 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: that just seems wrong to me. But maybe it's like 382 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: rewards those who like do the digging and do the homework, 383 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: and it implies that if you don't care enough to like, look, 384 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: you shouldn't know. But that just seems wrong. That is yeah, 385 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: that is that is wrong because right now, the level 386 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: of information we're talking about, the level of information processing 387 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: is simply beyond the grasp of someone who doesn't have 388 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: the specific job of doing this every day. There's just 389 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: no way, and there's a way a single person could 390 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: read the entirety of the things that are being passed 391 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: by Congress. That's why these staff members kind of divide 392 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: and conquer. But we spent a lot of time on this. 393 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet. You have our word, folks that 394 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: if six is months from now we figure out what's 395 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: actually going on, If if the badger does finally get 396 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: out of the disclosure bag, then we are going to 397 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: be all over it. We might we'll have a party. 398 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: We'll have like a physical in person UFO party somewhere 399 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: cool David Busters, I don't know, let's fly out on 400 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: the company dime to area fifty one. It's either the 401 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: beginning of a new world or the end of the 402 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: old one. Who knows at that point. But we're still 403 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: in this world, and we're still in strange news. So 404 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and 405 00:24:51,640 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more. And we're back, and 406 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: my news story today sort of morphed a little bit, 407 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: sort of sprouted some heads and try to keep it manageable. 408 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: But it started off with I think what we can 409 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: all agree is very important information. Um this coming out 410 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: within the window of time that this FBI uh memo reports. 411 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: An internal FBI bulletin warned that as of yesterday, the 412 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: day we're recording this is Monday, yesterday being Sunday the tenth. Um, 413 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: there are plans circulating on the internet for armed protests 414 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: at all fifty states capitals. UM. And that's really you know, 415 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: the FBI issue. At least one other bullets in according 416 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: to the AP, where they sort of appeal to law 417 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: enfortunationwide to be prepared and not have another repeat of 418 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: that absolutely ludicrous display that we saw on Wednesday of 419 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: last week. UM, warning that there are potent there's potential 420 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: for clashing with police, there's potential for violence. Uh, there's 421 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: potential for targeting, uh and kidnapping, just like we saw 422 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Army General Daniel Hawkinson, chief of the National 423 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Guard Bureau, told reporters today UH that the National Guard 424 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: is also looking at any issues across the country to 425 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: deploy in advance. So okay, great lesson learned, UM, but 426 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: be careful. If you live near a big metro area 427 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: downtown with a capital building, just steer. I would steer clear. 428 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: I would be very cautious about that. So this in 429 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: and of itself is I think important news to disseminate 430 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: because I actually it felt a little below the fold. Uh. 431 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: My friend texted me this information and I initially using 432 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: the search terms FBI um armed protests, I didn't get 433 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: any hits. Uh. And then he told me he was 434 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: on the Raw Story, which it was, and then I 435 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: found it directly by searching the Raw Story. And then 436 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: I found it on ABC, who initially obtained that. But 437 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of reporting about this, so 438 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: hopefully this has reaching some folks that maybe hadn't heard 439 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: about this. UM. Then this is the part I'd like 440 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: to just open up and chat with everybody about it 441 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: led me down this rabbit hole. I think we've everyone's 442 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: familiar with the uh social media alt right or whatever 443 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: you want to call it. Let's just call it far 444 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: right platform parlor um. In addition to many major social 445 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: media UH and web hosting companies pulling the plug on 446 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's online presence and others of his ilk UH, 447 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Parlor was seen as kind of like, Okay, we're not 448 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: welcome on Twitter anymore, and we're not welcome on Facebook anymore. 449 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: All of these people made this mass kind of egress 450 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: to Parlor UH, and then very quickly Parlor's web hosting 451 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: support was pulled. Amazon Cloud. We know that Amazon one 452 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: of the big things that they do is have these 453 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: massive server farms and do web hosting. Uh. And so 454 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: if you don't have anybody to host your service, you 455 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: don't really have a service. So currently Parlor is down. 456 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: But here's the rub or here's the uh, the kind 457 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: of story within the story. Before that happened, an intrepid 458 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: uh let's call him hacker, whatever you want to call it, 459 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: a power user of the internet, uh, went and did 460 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: what's called a data scrape of all of these archives 461 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: or all of these like archive posts, because apparently the 462 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: code of Parlor, the actual base code is super holy 463 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: let's just say, not holy as an awe, but like 464 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: full of holes, easy to poke through. There's a really 465 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: great Reddit page called Parlor watch, and on it there's 466 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, screenshots of different tweets, uh 467 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: and and you know, communications about this. And apparently the 468 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: internet security company Octa, which we actually use work, said, okay, 469 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: t A, They said that apparently Parlor was It's basically 470 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: an authentication protocol that that forces you to do like 471 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: a dual authentication. So you try to log into a thing, 472 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: it pings you on another device, You then say yes, 473 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: it's me, and then it lets you in um. That's 474 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: what it's for at the base level. But apparently the 475 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: Parlor coding team or whatever was using a free trial 476 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: version of octa um, and this hacker was able to 477 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: poke holes in that and essentially archive posts with the identities, 478 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: including geolocation information of thousands of posters, many of which 479 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: were directly involved with the insurgents let's call it at 480 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: the Capitol on Wednesday and their driver's license A vote 481 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: to right. That's the thing, Ben, and I was with 482 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: you there on that one too. That was the initial 483 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: story that came up. That is not true, UM. The 484 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: initially it was said that it was hacked and that 485 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: somebody was able to clone admin accounts and then dig 486 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: through and do all this nefarious stuff by like cloning 487 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: millions of admin accounts and basically it's kind of like, 488 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, causing sewing chaos on the platform. But what 489 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: is true is that it's been d plat formed. It's 490 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: not online anymore, UM, none of the app stores will 491 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: carry it. And now this hacker goth and donk nb 492 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: um user name has has archived all of this stuff 493 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: and is reporting it to authorities. So that was part 494 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: of the original story, Ben, that was a Reddit story 495 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: saying that, Oh and also, uh, they have to scan 496 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: their driver's license to be part of it. And maybe 497 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: that part is true, but a lot of the other 498 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: pieces in that initial story we're not true. So I 499 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: really actually I'm not sure, Ben, but I saw that 500 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: as well. Um, but what do you what? What do 501 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: you guys think? Is this a matter of shutting down 502 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: free speech? Is this a matter of just doing what's 503 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: best for like national security? Um? Where is the line? 504 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: It's just a fascinating thing to consider. Yeah, yeah, agreed, 505 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: And it's an important thing. It's going to be important 506 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: for the generations that come after us, you know, if 507 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: we think beyond the immediate window. Right. I want to 508 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: give a shout out to a colleague of ours. I 509 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: was having a similar conversation with the creator Prodigy podcast. 510 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: His name is Lowell Brilliante. You'll hear more about him 511 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: soon later, I hope. But uh, he actually he had 512 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: hipped me to parlor watch, and I'm meant to shout 513 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: him out as well. Thank you. Ben. Also check out 514 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: his episode about the UNI bomber on Prodigy. Fantastic stuff, 515 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: really great podcast. And uh, we were we were talking 516 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: about some of this uh and talking to some of 517 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: my friends in the tech industry who were just you know, 518 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: everyone from far to one side or another to the 519 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: very a political people who are primarily motivated by money, 520 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: I would say, or motivated by you know, their own 521 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: their own very specific ideologies. And there is a there 522 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: is a worrisome aspect here to the idea of Okay, 523 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: so freedom of speech is something constitutionally guaranteed right, but 524 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: a private service is the owner of its own playground. Right. 525 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: If you were on the McDonald's playground, they don't have 526 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: to say that you slide down slides in a stupid way. 527 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: They don't have to say you're breaking rules. They could 528 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: just kick you off the playgrounds. And you can't say 529 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: it's my governmental right to be on this playground because 530 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: it's McDonald's, no shirt, no shoes, no service. That that 531 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: is that is the prerogative of the individual business right. 532 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: And they can eject you for any reason and you 533 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: can leave kicking and screaming, but at the end of 534 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: the day they can have you dragged out by police 535 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: that they don't want you to be in there, and 536 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, say boo about why that 537 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: is it's the same with any of these free services. 538 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: It is a privilege to be able to access these, 539 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: Sure you can have you know, maybe it's I don't know, 540 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: is it even a right to have access to the internet? Like, yeah, exactly. 541 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: So all this free speech talk in terms of these discussions, 542 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: I think is very misplaced. And so is then a 543 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: legislative bread like Congress. Are they abdicating state power true 544 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: private entities? Are we becoming more of a technocracy than 545 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: we are a democracy? It's it's a good question, and 546 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of Edward Snowden had said the same thing. Actually, 547 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: our pal Jake from Q Clearance was saying the same thing. 548 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: And I understand how first off, if you think that 549 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: people inciting violence should have already been banned from a 550 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: social network, then this move comes very very late, right 551 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: late in the game, so late in fact, that it 552 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: could almost be seen as symbolic. But there's there's such 553 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: a pickle here, how do we impact this. So in 554 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: the case of Parlor Parlor's death sentence, it's funny because 555 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: we didn't see any state level demands to close parlor down. 556 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: We saw what could be called ostensibly the free market. 557 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: It seems like the free market decided to review service. 558 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then there's no two waste 559 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: about it. That's that's how it's supposed to be able 560 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: to work. But some people, of course, they're not happy 561 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: because some people we're big fans of parlor, but they're opos. 562 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: I mean, their security always seems kind of kind of lame, 563 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: didn't it It did? And and really quick, I want 564 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: you to have a chance to response, Well, you were 565 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: absolutely right about the driver's license, Ben, but it was 566 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: the same way when you get verified on Instagram or Twitter, 567 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: you have to scan your driver's license to be verified. 568 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: So there are certainly call them verified citizens. Uh, and 569 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: so that information is stored with those particular accounts government 570 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: issued ideas like driver's licenses or military ideas or what 571 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: have you. Um. But yeah, I mean stuff like this, 572 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: these deleted posts one that that donk nby gives us 573 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: an example from a user named c m underscore patriot. Uh, 574 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: shut them down, Mr President, try them hang or shoot 575 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: them publicly, the traders, thieves and her verts who have 576 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: taken our great blessed country hostage. M. That's the kind 577 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: of chatter that's going on in this service. And I 578 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: I would argue calling for hanging and publicly executing acrosses 579 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: the line from free speech into something very different. It's 580 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: certainly dangerous, even if the intention there isn't truly that. 581 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: And you know, you can argue forever that because of 582 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: free speech, you can say something like that. But that's 583 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: why we have rules about yelling things in movie theaters. Um, 584 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: where you're endangering other people. UM. This is what I 585 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: would say, just from my perspective. My wife came to 586 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: me and asked me about this right before we we 587 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: came into this room to record. Uh. She specifically was 588 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: asked me about the rumors that are going around right now, 589 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: this very thing, where there may or may not be 590 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: attacks planned at all of the state capitals, whether or 591 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: not there's gonna be something else occurring in Washington, d C. 592 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: And the inauguration. I just would say, from my own 593 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: research looking around, it does feel as though there's a 594 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: ton of chatter about this kind of event in a 595 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: lot of places, from a lot of different people. Intensions 596 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: are ridiculously high. And the people that seem, at least 597 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: to my eyes, the people who are posting about actions 598 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: they want to take things, they want to see happen. 599 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: It looks as though they so deeply believe that there 600 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: is something terrible happening and that they believe they are 601 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to speak for anyone, and I 602 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: do apologize if it's coming off that way, but it 603 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: seems as though they want to fix something, they want 604 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: to fight back against some evil power, and it is 605 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: very much slanted in a religious way, at least those 606 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: things that I have seen. Maybe that's not true for 607 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: everyone and for for a lot of the people, but 608 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: there appears to be statements that are spreading widely that 609 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: they some kind of religious slant to a war going 610 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: on for either the soul of America or for the world. UM, 611 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: I just want to caution everybody out there to really 612 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: look at where your information is coming from. And I 613 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: say this to especially to anyone listening that maybe believe 614 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. Um, we we always on this 615 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: show say we're not gonna we're not gonna make you 616 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: feel bad for believing what you believe, but we do 617 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: implore everyone to do as much research and vetting as 618 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: they possibly can on the beliefs that they hold dear 619 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: and true. So just I would just put that out 620 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: there as a message to everybody. Just because somebody says 621 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: it online on you know, a Facebook channel that you follow, 622 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: on a podcast you listen to, on a whatever TV show, 623 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's true. If somebody says it, look 624 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: into the sources when there's something this serious going down. 625 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: D FBI has also released some memos warning of various uprisings. 626 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: They did so well at advance of January six, of course, 627 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: did so well advanced of the nineteen and then also 628 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: what I would say would be called situational triggers. Uh. 629 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: The Independent ran a great story on just earlier today, 630 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: as we record, on January eleven, on potential for a 631 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: huge uprising planned if the current president was removed using 632 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: the Amendment, which again at this point Vice President Pence 633 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: has gone on record saying he will not pursue nor invoke. Uh. 634 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: But but look, the main thing is, for most people 635 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: who are discussing these kind of things, there's not a 636 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: high percentage of people who will actually have the wherewithal 637 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: to travel and to deploy these methods. So you're worried 638 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: more about out the small percentage of people who do 639 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: have that wherewithal right, logically, and that still could be 640 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: a large group of people. But the second part of 641 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: that is that the US inauguration now especially is probably 642 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: going to be one of the most It's always been 643 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: one of the most heavily guarded events of its four 644 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: year cycle. It's probably gonna be even more heavily guarded 645 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: at this point and less um. The rumors of compromise 646 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: within the ranks of l e OS and the military 647 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: are more widespread than they have appeared to be up 648 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: to this point. So, yes, there's no two ways about it. 649 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: We are at a very very tense time. And the 650 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: fact that the alphabet guys the intelligence agencies were megaphoning 651 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: this so much in advance, and the fact that the 652 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: capital was still woefully understaffed on January six, it just 653 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: looks increasingly suspicious, which I know is very all in 654 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: brand and stereotypical of me to say. But isn't anybody 655 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: else a little bit weird about by that? Like, just 656 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: just a bit? Doesn't it seem like this was clearly telegraphed. 657 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, But to your original points, no, I 658 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: think you're I think you're right. This is this is 659 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: something that has been disseminated. There there are at least 660 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: some groups with an active plan to do something in 661 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: some states, even if they end up being just lone 662 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: actors who are radicalized on the internet. That's right, And 663 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: I have a ethical question for for both of you, gentlemen. 664 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: Um is this dock sing? I mean, so far, I 665 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: haven't seen any actual names and addresses, phone numbers, home 666 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: personal information released publicly. I know there are some accounts 667 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: on like Instagram, for example, there's one called I think 668 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: it's called Homegrown Terrorists where there is some docks and 669 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: going on with somee of the people that were seeing, 670 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, participating in the looting at the capitol. This 671 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: to me, there's a big there's a lot of discussion 672 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: in these comments sections on these articles. You know, some 673 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: people from the right coming in and saying this is illegal, 674 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: this is docks, saying this is and this is not 675 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, appropriate use of the internet, that that this 676 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: is literally breaking the law. What do you guys think 677 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: about that? If this information is literally being used to 678 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: track down people that committed a crime and then report 679 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: them to the authorities they can be taken to task. 680 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: Is that like vigilante is um? Like? What what is this? 681 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: You're I think referring specifically to some Reddit comments. The 682 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: thing is Reddit doesn't have the best track record of 683 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: civilian detective work. Uh consider the case of the Boston 684 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: bombing where they got the wrong people. Then also, I 685 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: would say, if you're docksing someone who has not proven 686 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: to committed to have committed a crime, and you are civilian, 687 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: you need to you need to be very careful because 688 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: that can, that could, with the best of intentions, lead 689 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: you down a very inadvisable path. Uh. There are intelligence 690 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: agencies that are hunting these people down. Uh, well stay, 691 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: they're hunting people who have actually broken the law down already. 692 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: And those folks like the FBI, Let's not forget they 693 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: were able to find one protester via Etsy because of 694 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: a tattoo that person had, so they have more resources. 695 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: But I would just I would caution people because you 696 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: know social media and read it is social media. It's 697 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: made to manipulate you, it's made to um to incite 698 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: you toward engagement and toward further action of some sort. 699 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: So even with the best of intentions, you need to, 700 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: like Matt said, you need to carefully vet your sources. 701 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: Also vet yourself and your own motivations. Uh in nless 702 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: you are professional with this stuff, um, then you might accidentally, 703 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: with no ill intent, you might accidentally screw up, and 704 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: you might even get yourself in a pickle z that 705 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: Mac said. I hope I'm not being too extreme there, No, no, 706 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: it makes perfect. We're pausing for a moment for a 707 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we are back. I just 708 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: want to jump back a little bit in the conversation, Ben, 709 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about the people we really need to be 710 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: worried about, the ones who may actually take some kind 711 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: of violent action in in you know, physically somewhere in 712 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: the world. I I totally feel you, and imminently that 713 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: is what you know, intelligence agencies and police department should 714 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: be worried about. What worries me right now are all 715 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: of the bystanders essentially who are passively commenting on a 716 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: YouTube video or on a Facebook post that I'm going 717 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: through that are just uh, it just seemed to be 718 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: believing whatever is being said in a lot of these things. 719 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: And then when I personally go through and vet the 720 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: information that's being spoken, you know, as often as I 721 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: as I can, I'm noticing that they're referencing things like Nassara, 722 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: n E s A r A. It's called the National 723 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: Economic Security and Recovery Act. It was not a real thing, 724 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: and but it is believed to be a real thing 725 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: by someone talking on YouTube the way I am right now, right, 726 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: and and they will say it, and then someone else listening, 727 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: here's it, and then they just say what was send 728 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: on that YouTube video, rather than looking it up and 729 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: seeing that it was it was a part of a 730 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 1: essentially a conspiracy theory newsletter chain that was going out 731 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: by somebody who was not credible. Well, even the initial 732 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: story about this hack was incorrect, was absolutely full of misinformation. 733 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: Um maybe with the best of intentions, but I couldn't 734 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: find a story about it. I couldn't find anything to 735 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: back it up. And it was all from this reddit 736 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: kind of like chatter and Twitter and then Reddit. Even 737 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: it got up voted. The incorrect story got up voted 738 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of times, and they had to put 739 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: a keep post on the Reddit page saying, hey, that 740 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: one was dead wrong. Here's the new info. Look at 741 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: this one up vow this one instead, which I think 742 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: is interesting that they even went to that trouble and 743 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: in the interest of uh in the interest of full disclosure. 744 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: We don't know which parts of this podcast you're gonna 745 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: be YouTube clips, Matt, although I thought that was sly 746 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: and that's up to James, that's not up to us, Okay, 747 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: sure well, or listening to a podcast and hearing somebody 748 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: say it to them and then just taking that info 749 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: synthesizing it into their own thoughts rather than looking it up. 750 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: And there's no way to look up everything you hear. 751 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: That's why you have to vet the individual more so 752 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: than anything else, which is it's a tough thing to 753 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 1: do because every individual, including this guy who's either talking 754 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: right now on YouTube or on a podcast, gets it 755 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: wrong sometimes. But you know, in the end, it's just 756 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: scary thinking there's so many people that believe something wholeheartedly 757 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: that you can prove to be false. So what we're 758 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: talking about here, what I think you're talking about, man, 759 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: you're talking about the importance or we're all talking about 760 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: this all the time. We're talking about the importance of 761 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: vetting your sources. And just like trying to read uh 762 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: thousand plus page COVID bill while the clock is ticking, 763 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: this is very intimidating, it's very difficult and in times 764 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: it's impossible, So you do have to use context clues. 765 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: And when you use context clues, you have to be very, 766 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: very careful because odds are the stuff that's making you 767 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: feel like you're increasingly agreeing with yourself. Not all of 768 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: that might be true. Your brain might be fooling you, 769 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: especially if you're going to a group of like minded people, 770 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: because every single member of the human species suffers from 771 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: what social psychology calls group polarization. Like again, if we 772 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: are are Congress of five that we used at the 773 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: top of this episode, and the five of us get 774 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,879 Speaker 1: together because we think in general, uh vaetta that ice 775 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: cream novelty, that's it's not available around here. By the way, 776 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: I was crushed. I know, man, I know. But what 777 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: it was like the five of us got together just 778 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: as like a fan group of that, and it became 779 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: a hot button topic and we started feeling persecuted, just 780 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: like an occult. Then we only talked to each other, 781 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: and we only talked about the mission to get this 782 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: wonderful ice cream novelty back into the world. And you 783 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: fast forward one year, We're gonna sound like Vonetta, Yes, radicals, 784 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: and I choose ice cream because it's a fun, innocuous example. 785 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: But what you're talking about, Matt, is absolutely true. It's 786 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: absolutely true, and no one is immune to it. It 787 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: is a neurological, hardwired aspect of the human being, of 788 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: the human brain. Just because you're like, oh, well this 789 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: one didn't get me, I don't even this current one. 790 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't make you better than anybody else. It just 791 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: means that you have to look to other things when 792 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: you're checking on how group polarization got to you. Yeah, 793 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: for sure. And you know, in a lot of this 794 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: was just my response to the response to our coverage 795 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: of this latest thing from the capital, just to see 796 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: what people are truly thinking and why they would respond 797 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 1: to us in you know, information that I went back 798 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: through just like we all did, and listen to it 799 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: again to make sure we were stating things correctly. We 800 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: were very careful in our language, and dang man, people 801 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 1: are just still feel like in just stating the facts, 802 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: we were somehow distorting things and it is just really troubling, man. 803 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: And I know, I hope in some way we're able 804 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: to you know, speak to enough people, including myself, just 805 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: to pull us out a little bit more from our 806 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: own biases I wanted to say, are too really quick. 807 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,240 Speaker 1: I've been personally really kind of heartened by the response 808 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: overall that we've gotten to to those two episodes, not 809 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: only in how many people have listened to it, it's 810 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: been a lot, but also in just the emails we've gotten, um, 811 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,839 Speaker 1: that's all just in general, they've been very positive. Well, 812 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: I get a lot of it. I welcome it. Let's see, 813 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 1: let's do this live. I don't know if anything will 814 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: show up. We get my phone. Okay, so just fifty 815 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: three seconds ago on Twitter at Ben Bully hs W, 816 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why you guys took pains apart two 817 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: to clarify that some people just happened to be there. 818 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: It got caught up in the moment as though they 819 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: were on a school tour when the steadily terrorist attack 820 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 1: kicked off. PS is clearly more than one individual. The 821 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: zip tie thing. I we appreciate that. I don't think 822 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: we did the wrong thing there, because again, with a 823 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: massive amount of people like this, you can't think that 824 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: everybody has the same plan. But we appreciate, we appreciate 825 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: the feedback end as we what we really did take 826 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 1: pains to talk about in part two of the attack 827 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: on Washington was how little confirmed information was out there 828 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: at that point. Do you know what I mean. It's 829 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, we have to be cautious in 830 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: not spreading misinformation, so sometimes we hedge a little bit, 831 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: and not only there's anything wrong with that, I don't 832 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: think so. And you know, we met One point you 833 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: made that really that I really appreciate is we were 834 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: editorializing pretty much at all in the first part, right, 835 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: and we said we would have some speculation in the 836 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: second part. But we a lot of the things that 837 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: we do, kind of things we do and this doesn't 838 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: apply to every podcast in the world, but a lot 839 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: of things we do. If we don't get people objecting 840 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: to some of the stuff that we're relaying, if everybody 841 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: just agrees with us, then that means that we could 842 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: be doing a better job, in my opinion. And just 843 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: in response to those two things that I said on 844 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: that episoded that that person is commenting about um because 845 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: I remember saying them, but that was but it was 846 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: two things that I specifically pointed out, just because it 847 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: feels as though a lot of the discussion around this 848 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: is painting everybody in the same light on either side, 849 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: which it is extremely dehumanizing and if you take a side, 850 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: essentially you're guilty of it because you're saying the all 851 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: of these other people are like this. UM. I just 852 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure than anyone listening to this understands 853 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: that each individual that was even at that that protest, 854 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: the you know, the vast majority of the people who 855 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: are there for a protest. Uh, We're not the same 856 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,479 Speaker 1: as people who showed up with zip ties, who showed 857 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: up with you know, molotov cocktails in their truck, who 858 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 1: showed up and napalm essentially in their truck, and automatic weapons, 859 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: semi automatic weapons ready to carry out something. It's just 860 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: we can't look at each other as all one thing. 861 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: We're all individuals and there's there's intense belief on all 862 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,359 Speaker 1: sides going on here. We need to see each other, 863 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: um a little differently, um, in order to hopefully get 864 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: through this, because this is the kind of thing that 865 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: doesn't go away, you know, after an election. These are 866 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: feelings that are long and UM, I don't, I don't, 867 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying on my soapbox here. 868 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm just cautioning to remember that we were all, we 869 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: are all individuals, and at heart we all want to 870 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: be good. I would hope so, I would hope so. 871 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: But also you have to keep in mind stupid, a 872 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: little dystopian new mommy, and this whole conversation as if 873 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: we need more. Uh, if there were not foreign powers 874 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,879 Speaker 1: leveraging this situation that culpidated or big or at least 875 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: began on January six, then they will certainly be a 876 00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: part of future things. So whenn't you hear other narratives 877 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,320 Speaker 1: right coming out in the coming days, coming months, etcetera. 878 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: I would ask myself, cui bono, who benefits who benefits most? 879 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: It may not be a domestic force which should terrify people. 880 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: All right, well, have a have a great rest of 881 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,279 Speaker 1: your day. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna pause here. 882 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna keep this one at two stories 883 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: for today. We're already at an hour or so, so 884 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna do that, and I will save my story 885 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: for next week. If you live in Mead, Nebraska, here 886 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 1: is looking at you. I hope you can feel our 887 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: support from here in Atlanta. I hope you're doing well. 888 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that story and next week for now. 889 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: If you want to write to us and give us 890 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 1: an idea for a story, or for anything at all, 891 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter. As Ben said, we 892 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: are at conspiracy Stuff. We're also on Instagram Conspiracy Stuff Show. Oh, 893 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: Facebook is conspiracy stuff too, and we've also got a 894 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: page over there on Facebook called Here's where it Gets Crazy, 895 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 1: a little group you can join and hang out with us. 896 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: All you gotta do is name one or all of us, 897 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: including Doc Holiday, if you wish, and welcome to our 898 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 1: new mod I want to say, folks. Of course, originally 899 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 1: Strange News Segment Weekly is structured to have three stories. 900 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: We're going to endeavor to give three stories every time. Uh, 901 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: this one we got a little rabbit hold on, but 902 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: expect us to return to three in the coming segments. 903 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: If you hate social media, you could give us a 904 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: call on the old telephonical device. Some of the people 905 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: of a certain age in the crowd remember when those 906 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: things used to have wires, which is weird. That's why 907 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: they're called landlines. But it'll work on a smartphone. To 908 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: just s dial one eight three three S T D 909 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: W y t K. You have three minutes. Those three 910 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: minutes are yours. 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