1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinals Territory. 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Lancelin, Matt Holliday and Kyle Gibson. And gentlemen, 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: before we start, if I may, this is a plead 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: to the viewers, go ahead and subscribe to Cardinals Territory. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: You know you like the thing. 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: We had a goal of getting to five thousand subscribers. 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: We blew past that and now we want to. 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Get to seven thousand subscribers. So if you don't mind 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and you like the show, go ahead and hit that 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: subscribe button now. One of the big stories from Cardinal 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: World is that Yadier Molina is back with the Cardinals 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: in some official capacity. He has been hired as an 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: advisor to heinm. Bloom, expected to work with the young 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Cardinal catchers in the minor leagues, and he'll make some appearance, 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: which is with the big club being the dugout a 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: little bit at some point. This season important for the 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: Cardinals because in their top six prospects, three of them 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: are catchers. They have a lot of wealth in terms 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: of young They got Renelle Rodriguez, they got Leonardo Bernall 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: and of course Jimmy Crooks So, Matt, I'm gonna start 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: with you. Yachti's back in the fall. He had been 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: an advisor UNDERMO, didn't really do that much publicly, but 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: now he's got hands on responsibilities to work with young 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: catching prospects. 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: Matt, your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, I think it's exciting. Obviously, 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: had Yati as part of the organization is important. I'm 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: just interested in how much, you know, how much he'll 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: be doing, you know, I think the more the better, 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: obviously with Yachti, but it felt like last year they've 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: made a big announcement that he was back in the 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: organization and then kind of just didn't know what he 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: was doing are up to. I think he showed up, 33 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 4: you know, in the dugout for a couple of days. 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: So I'm excited. I hope he's more involved. I hope 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 4: he's as active and as involved as possible and working 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: with the young catchers like he talked about. But more 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 4: importantly for me, I think having him around at the 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: big league level would be would be great with with 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: some of their catching and and some of the you know, 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: some of their young catchers in the big league. So obviously, 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: you know, great to have him in the organization can't 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: see him anywhere else. If he wants to be part 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: of an organization, I just hope they use him and 44 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: and and take advantage of having a brilliant baseball mind 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 4: uh as part of the organization. And and again, sometimes 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: you don't know how much time yachti Iss is willing to. 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 4: You know, I think John Well is maybe a senior 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: in high school, so he's gonna want to be watching 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: yon Well and and and maybe he might be a 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 4: freshman heading to his freshman year in college. But anyways, 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: you know, I think he's play baseball in college. So 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: sometimes in these situations, Yadi will kind of dictate how 53 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: much he's involved. But if I was the Cardinals, I'll 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 4: try to get him in there as much as possible. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: So Lances. 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: As Matt points out, Yatti has been in this position 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: before and again didn't do a ton that we knew 58 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: about publicly. But I think for Yadi, it's a different time. 59 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: Certainly it's time Bloom, it's a different president of baseball ops. 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: But I think Yadi, who's already said he wants to 61 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: manage in the big leagues, he's going to be managing 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Team Puerto Rico in the World Baseball class. He has 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: his eyes set on taking that next step in terms 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: of managing a team. And you would think, especially with 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: these prospects that the Cardinals have and the young guys 66 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: I have at the major league roster, this is really 67 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity for Yadi to get to where he wants 68 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: to go. It's a different time for him. 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's part of the process that he's 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: going to have to take to. 71 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: Become a big league manager. 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: You see, I just go into front offices as special 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: assistant roles and things like that, kind of learn that 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: part of the game so they can take it to. 75 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: The dugout when when it comes their time. 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: If Yady wants to be a manager, I think this 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 3: is going to give him kind of the baseball knowledge 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: of non or off the field. I guess behind the 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: scenes what you know front offices do. If he's helping 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: out in that situation, like I said, Like Matt said, though, 81 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: it's like Yadi's going to kind of dictate what what 82 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: he wants to do in the timeframe. I think the 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: further you get out of it from playing, the more 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: you are able to understand what time you're able to 85 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: give to it and stuff like that. So I think 86 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: this is his time to really understand, hey, I'm able 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: to give this amount of time for this and that, 88 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: and here's the direction I want to be able to 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: help in and how it's going to move forward, maybe 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: in this managerial quest to be a manager. So I 91 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: think it's great for him, great for the organization. I 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: think it's a good step for the organization getting quote 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: unquote baseball people back in and helping players, especially younger 94 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: players develop. There's been a lot of things that have 95 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: been taken away from him of getting guys that played 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 3: the game to help you know, uh, you know, usher 97 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: them into the big leagues and how to how to 98 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: do things, how to take some of these numbers and 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: computer things that they're given and actually make them winning 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: players on the field. So hopefully there's more to come 101 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: for the Cardinals to be able to, you know, add 102 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: a veteran or you know, older players that are retired 103 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: that have played the game at a high level, that 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: know how to use these things to help players better. 105 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: And yachtis a great one, especially for I haven't right away. 106 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: The first person I look at is is Herrera. I 107 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: think that's gonna be a great tool for him to have. 108 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: And if Ivan's got the ability to be a you know, 109 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: all star catcher, he's got the best guy to help 110 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 3: him get there. 111 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: And people ask me, well, what's going to be different 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: for YadA this time? 113 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 5: Again? 114 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: To me, different time for Yati. He has his eyes 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: on on being a manager. But Kyle, the other thing 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: is he was back with the team a little bit 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: last year in his post cardinal playing career with YadA. 118 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: He wasn't when he was back, he was in and out. 119 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: This time last season, he was mingling, he was talking 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: to the young players. He talked about wanting to be 121 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: more involved from a pitching standpoint. He was a former pitcher. 122 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: To have catchers behind the plate who were taught by 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: one of the great the game's all time greats. What 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: do you think that means for pictures no one, that 125 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: that catcher was taught by Yadi or Molina. 126 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 6: I think it means a lot, you know, being in 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 6: the organization just for a year, I still, you know, weird. 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 6: I was a couple of years after Yadi, and you 129 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 6: still kind of felt the weight that Yadi carry and 130 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 6: you still kind of felt the impact that he had 131 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 6: on the catchers on the pitchers and on that system. 132 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 6: So I mean, I think it, Yeah, it's gonna be 133 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 6: big for those catchers and big for the pitchers. Anytime 134 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 6: that you can have somebody who can help you take 135 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 6: analytics and make it usable and you know, put it. 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 7: In terms you understand. 137 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 6: Maybe if they just say it in a little different 138 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 6: way than the coaching staff currently, it can be you know, 139 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 6: a really big deal. One thing, a couple of things 140 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 6: that stand on. One thing that Lance said was just 141 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 6: the timing of it right, you know, and kind of 142 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 6: goes back to what Matt said about he's been on 143 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 6: there for a couple of years now, but maybe the 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: timing for Yadi just works out where he's ready to 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 6: be more involved. And I think, you know, one thing 146 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 6: Matt said was you bring him on a couple of 147 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 6: years ago because. 148 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 7: You want him to be in the organization and stay 149 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 7: in the organization. 150 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 6: If you let him go be a special assistant somewhere else, 151 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 6: you may not get him back. So I understand fans 152 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 6: are probably really excited that they named him a special assistant. 153 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 6: I think that was Lance's dream, you know, two years ago, 154 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 6: right out of the shoot anyways, to be named a 155 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 6: special assistant October tenth and twenty twenty four, but it 156 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 6: just didn't happen yet. But I mean, I think now 157 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 6: you see this year, I think you'll see Yadi a 158 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 6: lot more. 159 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 7: I think he has a great relationship from the sounds. 160 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 6: Of it, with Ali, And when a guy like Yadi 161 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 6: comes in, the egos kind of have to go out 162 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 6: the door a little bit. And you got to understand 163 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 6: that YACHTI is going to have some latitude here to 164 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 6: go and talk to guys and have conversations that maybe 165 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 6: you're not always privy to, maybe you didn't always okay 166 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 6: ahead of time, But Yadi's gonna carry some weight in 167 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 6: that room. And I think it's a good thing for 168 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 6: the culture and a good thing for the team. 169 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: I'd say all three of you guys are known for 170 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: that competitive fire, but Matt, you were teammates with with YACHTI, 171 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: tell me about that fire and what you saw with 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: him as a player that hopefully he can ignite that 173 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: spark with young guys and put them on the right track. 174 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 175 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I think for me, the thing that the 176 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: work ethic, the preparation, the the idea that he the 177 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: comfort level that he gave pictures that whatever he was 178 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: putting down I guess now would be whatever he is 179 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: typing into his Nigu shint guard. 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: Was well thought out. 181 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: Was you know that he had put the time and 182 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: effort in and the picture could simply just acute pitches 183 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: and didn't have to worry about if he was throwing 184 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 4: the right pitch or maybe you know, what was going 185 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: on with the hitters. 186 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: So I think he. 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of great things to say 188 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: about YACHTI obviously, like I said, his work ethic is 189 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 4: his preparation, his his intensity, his love for the game, 190 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 4: constantly learning, constantly watching video looking for little things. So 191 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: I think having him around and and and like and 192 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: like kylin Land said, having him around Herrera and some 193 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: of these these catchers, if you if you can develop catchers, 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: they carry tremendous value in the trade market. So if 195 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 4: if some of these young guys are or he can 196 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: help develop these guys into into like you know, potential 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 4: all stars, you can trade these these some of these 198 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 4: young catchers maybe. 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: For bigger holes that you have other places. 200 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: So the idea that he could come in and and 201 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: sort of be a catching whisper and and maybe, like 202 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: I said, turn some of these young catchers into valuable 203 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 4: pieces that you can use to help build this this 204 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: roster back to a world series roster is something that 205 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 4: I'm intrigued about now. 206 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Adam Wainwright once told me, Lance, when you're the picture 207 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: and you're on the mound, it's your game. So if 208 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: you got to shake off Yata, you shake off YACHTI 209 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: But the question is, what's that like for a picture? 210 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: When Yady wants you to throw a certain pitch and 211 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: you want to throw another, how does that shake out? 212 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 5: Just depends on who you are with him to be 213 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: honest with yet not. 214 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: Seeing him get it, get in get into some people's 215 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: ass that didn't really know what they were shaken to. 216 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: If they didn't have a rhyme or reason for it, 217 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: he would he would get upset. 218 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 5: But if you had a rhyme or reason for it. 219 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: He was great to work with. 220 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: So and you you know, you do a lot of 221 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: the research and stuff that you need to do to 222 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: get ready for hitters, and you run that stuff by him, 223 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: and you guys talk and stuff like that. He was 224 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: He was great to work with. He understood guys, and 225 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: then guys that uh come in and uh shake just 226 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: because they they didn't know what they wanted to do. 227 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 5: Uh. He would tell them, hey, what do we what 228 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: do we got going on here? And why? 229 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: And if you didn't give him the answer he was 230 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: looking for or or give him an answer that made 231 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: sense because you're hey, I was just feeling this one, 232 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: he would tell you, Hey, I've been back there the 233 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 3: whole game, so let's uh, let's let's stay let's stay 234 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: in tune with what I'm doing, especially when relievers come in. 235 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: So but like you said, man, he's great. Uh, he's 236 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: gonna be great for these young starters too. People don't 237 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: realize what catchers see. And when you're on the mount 238 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: and they teach you the stuff they see, and then 239 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: you can slow the game down and see what hitters 240 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: are doing too. It makes you, uh the ability to 241 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: execute pitches easier too. So it's gonna be all around. 242 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: It's gonna be great for him to be around these guys, 243 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: especially the either pitchers and catchers, how they communicate stuff 244 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 3: like that. So the guys are getting on the same page. 245 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: But when you look at what the Cardinals have in 246 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: terms of catching, right, that's a spot where sometimes you 247 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of prospects. You have a ton 248 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: of offense. The Cardinals have an embarrassment of riches. You 249 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: have the prospects that already mentioned at the big league level. 250 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: You guys talked about Herrero, who's got a tremendous upside 251 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: and he wants to catch. You have Poso, you have 252 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: pa has. That's a pretty good position to be in 253 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: if you're if you're on a build, as they say, 254 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: or tear down, but as a as a as a 255 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: term build we'll go with for now. To have that 256 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of equity behind the plate, you have a lot 257 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: of possibilities of things you can do. 258 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think you know, I'm not talking about, 259 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 6: you know, creating players that are you know, maybe become 260 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 6: good trade chips or or whatever it may be. But 261 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 6: I mean, you also, you just never know when injuries 262 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 6: are gonna happen. You never know when a guy cycle 263 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 6: of his career just hits a spot where he needs 264 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: to go to first or is you know, not doesn't 265 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 6: have the health to be a catcher. But man, Yanni 266 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 6: just from I never played with him, but everything I heard, 267 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 6: he just noticed the things that not everybody noticed. 268 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 7: And that's one thing about some of the catchers that 269 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 7: I have had. 270 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 6: The the ability to throw to the real Muto's, the Travino's, 271 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 6: the Rutchman's, maur Cash like I can name. 272 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 7: All of my catchers were awesome. 273 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 6: But they noticed the little things, and I knew that 274 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 6: they were putting in just as much work as I was, 275 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 6: and then allowed that trust. And I assume that's how 276 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 6: YACHTI was. I assume Yadi would notice whenever his second 277 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 6: ab of a guy when you pounded him inside, you know, 278 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: he took a half a step away from the plate 279 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 6: to assuming it's coming. Yanni noticed those things, and as 280 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 6: the catchers learned to notice those things, it's only gonna 281 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 6: make everybody else better. 282 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Now, just your reminder for those watching. If you like merch, 283 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: we got merch. If you like Cardinal territory, we have 284 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory merch. Well, also I have foul Territory merch. 285 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: It's available Cardinal Territory shop dot com. 286 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 5: And we got everything. 287 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: You got the hoodies, you got the mugs, you got 288 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: the hats, and uh, it's pretty good stuff. So check 289 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: that out, do some shopping, maybe treat yourself to some merch. 290 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Because everybody loves merch. By the way, I'm wearing a 291 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: foul Territory hat because they send it to me. I 292 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: don't know if they sent you guys gear, but they 293 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: did send me gear. 294 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: Maybe they don't have any of those beanies. 295 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: How do we not have a shirt. 296 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get We're gonna get you guys, all right, 297 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: all right. 298 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: Andrew Jones Cardinal. 299 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Carlos Beltran both voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. 300 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Both worthy inductees when they finally are inducted. Although Carlos, 301 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, had the little cheating scandal in Houston. We 302 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: can get to that later if time permits. Andrew Jones 303 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: great numbers, no question about it. To me, a Hall 304 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: of Famer. But when you look at his numbers, especially 305 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: if you're part of Cardinal Nation, you think to yourself, well, 306 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: what about Jimmy ballgame? And the numbers kind of speak 307 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: to themselves. If you look at THEO they're both sixty 308 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: plus war guys. Jones has better power numbers with home 309 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: runs and RBIs, but Jimmy has them with batting average, 310 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: on base percentage, slug ops Jones ten gold gloves Jimmy 311 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Edmunds eight. But guys, to me, they're very comparable. And 312 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: I obviously I saw more of Edmunds than I did Jones. 313 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 5: Both great. 314 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I always thought Edmunds was a tick better than Jones defensively, 315 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: but certainly if there's room for Jones, there should be 316 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: room for Edmunds, who didn't get enough votes to even 317 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: stay on the ballot. Matt Holliday, does jimmy ballgame belong 318 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: in the Hall at least at some point? 319 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: Look, I mean when you look at the numbers and 321 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: you think that Jim didn't get enough to stay on 322 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: the ballot for one year, and and and Andrew Jones 323 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 4: gets in, I think it's crazy. I think there's a 324 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: lot of these cases that hopefully this Veterans Committee is 325 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: going to be able to take a better look at 326 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: and and sort of clean up some of this. 327 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: Mess, if you will. 328 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I look at carlos Veltron, who obviously you know, 329 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: we played with and I know very well as a 330 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: great player, and I look at his numbers, and then 331 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: I think about Lance Berkman, who didn't make off the 332 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: first ballot, and Lance I look at Lance's numbers and 333 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: I wonder how how he's not more appreciated for the 334 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. 335 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: So it is interesting to see how some of these 336 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: guys game. 337 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: Momentum and some guys just can't can't get any momentum 338 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: at all, don't even make it past the first ballot. 339 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 4: I mean, for you know, Lance Berkman and Jim Edmonds 340 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: to not make it off the first ballot of the 341 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, if to me, it's crazy. I mean, 342 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 4: I think when you start looking about looking at what 343 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: they say the qualifications are, you know, ten years of dominance, 344 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: I would say, you know, both of those guys. In 345 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 4: my mind, I didn't play Jim's you know, older than 346 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 4: than than me, and so I didn't play against him 347 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: a ton. You know, he was kind of at the 348 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 4: back end of his career when I played against him. 349 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 4: But having played against all these guys, I mean, if 350 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: if if Carlos Beltron and and Andrew Jenes are Hall 351 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 4: of Famers, then I think Jim Edmonds and Lance Berkman 352 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: are Hall of Famers. And I think that's why we have, uh, 353 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 4: this Veterans Committee is able to maybe take a deeper 354 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 4: dive into into some of this stuff. 355 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: And and now that we're we have more metrics, and 356 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: we have more numbers, and we have maybe an appreciation 357 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: for guys maybe that we didn't before. 358 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: But uh, like I said, my hat's off to Andrew, 359 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 4: and and and Carlos both deserving great players. But uh, 360 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: and for the conversations, take of the conversation and in 361 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 4: the in the cardinal, uh you know, world, I think 362 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: Lance Berkman and and and Jim Edmonds also belong in 363 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. 364 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: I agree with that. 365 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: I should have brought up Berkman too, but you talk 366 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: about how things change with additional information and more metrics added. 367 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: Ted Simmons got in late when people started looking at 368 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: his career and going, wow, this guy deserves to be 369 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. So Lance, you know, to me, 370 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: I look at Edmunds specifically, also Berkman, but Jim Edmonds 371 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to me, changed the game just defensively, offensively. He was 372 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: a dominant hitter for a good stretch, but he played 373 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: so shallow. He took away part of the field that 374 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: pitchers had to love that if you hit it over 375 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: his head, he'd go and get it. Just your thoughts 376 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: on Edmunds and Berkman as possible Hall of Famers at 377 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: some point down the road. 378 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that now that Jones got in, I 379 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: think there's no doubt in the Veterans Committee. That's when 380 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 3: when Jim gets in, and I think it's going to 381 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: be an easy case for them to make now because 382 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: of Andrew getting in, which I think they both deserve 383 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 3: to be in in the just by eyeball test. When 384 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: I was growing up watching them play, like those are 385 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 3: two guys that you know when you're you kind of like, man, 386 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: that guy is a great player, and then you go 387 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 3: down and look at the numbers. They're very comparable. They 388 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: played for a long time, they did a lot of 389 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: great things. All the numbers are there to be Hall 390 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: of famers. You know, I don't know Lance's comparables to 391 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: uh Carlos because we didn't have those today because you've 392 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: dropped the ball on that gym. But Lance Berkman, Lance 393 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: Berkman was one of those guys too. Me are growing 394 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: up like, there's guys that you watched growing up and 395 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: you're like, man, that guy is like a generational player 396 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: type of person. And then you go back and look 397 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: at the numbers, and now you know why they stood off. 398 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: They stood out compared to everybody else. And I think 399 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 3: Lance Berkman's one of those people too. So with this, 400 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: with this vote, that could be good for both of 401 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: them in the Veterans Committee. 402 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I did drop the ball some. The right thing 403 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: to do for a guy hosting is a me imediately 404 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: change direction and distract. 405 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: We understand you guys work together for a while, and 406 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: you've been writing Jim's cotail for years too, so we 407 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 3: totally get it. 408 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: We got it, that's true. But when you talk about 409 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron, and this might be dicey for former players, right, 410 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys who won't get in at present. 411 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't look like they have a path, but maybe 412 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: should because they cheat it and use performance enhancing drugs. 413 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: You look at belt Trunk, some would say, well that 414 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: guy was part of the cheating scandal. Does that mean 415 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: that we're going to open the door to guys who 416 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: cut corners? So I'll start with you, Kyle. Is that 417 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: a legitimate question for me to ask as I immediately 418 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: try to distract from me leaving out Lance Berkman. 419 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, so the pivot's not going to work because I 420 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 6: would like to put some input as well Jim, And 421 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 6: so I'm gonna go ahead and do that and then 422 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 6: I'll go to the next part. 423 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 7: But fair enough. I mean, I think. 424 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 6: That there are certain times where it seems like the writers, 425 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 6: maybe this is their right, because it is their Hall 426 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 6: of fame, they try to be extremely exclusive and get 427 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 6: maybe the best center fielder from the generation. Jones and 428 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 6: Edmonds overlapped a lot right most of their career, so 429 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: if they in their mind they were trying to get 430 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 6: the best center fielder of the time. Okay, a few 431 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 6: more gold gloves, they were probably one in two most 432 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 6: years when Jim was in the NL. What Jim's six 433 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 6: home runs short of four hundred if he has four 434 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 6: hundred to see a shoe win is kind of silly. So, 435 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 6: I mean, I think those guys are right. The Veterans 436 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 6: Committee will get him in. It's just kind of crazy 437 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 6: they didn't even get a chance to stay on when 438 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 6: a lot of those numbers showed that he had a 439 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 6: better overall career. Lance Berkman probably the same thing. But 440 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 6: I'll follow what Lance lind said. We'd love to see it, 441 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 6: but I'm not going to sit here on my phone 442 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 6: and look at stats, you know, because you didn't let 443 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 6: him know we were gonna talk about it, all right, 444 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 6: So to pivot now to the cheating, I think, I think, 445 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 6: I think we have a totally different conversation when it 446 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 6: comes to signs dealing with video camera live feeds that 447 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 6: were given to the teams, not initiated by the players 448 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 6: and pds. All right, So I'm not trying to get 449 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 6: defensive and get on your caser gym, although maybe I should, 450 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 6: because I don't think that's quite an apples to apples comparison, 451 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 6: because if you look around the league, everybody was trying 452 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 6: to find a way to break catcher signs and to 453 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 6: figure out what pitch was coming, whether it's looking in 454 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 6: the glob whatever. Now, did everybody have a live camera 455 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 6: feed on the catcher's fingers every pitch? No, but I 456 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 6: can tell you the Astros were not the only team. 457 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 7: So I just think. 458 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 6: That I don't think that's gonna get held against So 459 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 6: if Alex Bregnant keeps having a great career like he is, 460 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 6: he's going to be a Hall of Famer, even though 461 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 6: he was on the Astros teams. Jose Al Tuvey, all 462 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 6: those guys. Sure it's a blemish, Maybe something hold it 463 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 6: against them. But man, if we're being honest, there was 464 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 6: a lot of teams who are trying to crack the 465 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 6: code on signs and get any advantage they could that 466 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 6: did not have to do with putting illegal substances into 467 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 6: their body. 468 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 5: Fair enough. 469 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: And I also, if you talk about if I can 470 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: pivot back writers trying to get the best at the time, 471 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: there was a time in baseball where you had Duke 472 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: Snyder in centerfield, Willie Mays in centerfield, Mickey mannlin centerfield, 473 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: all in New York. So it's not trying to get 474 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: the best at the time, it's trying to get all 475 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: the best guys in. 476 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 6: But Matt, centerfield is as premium centerfield is. I just 477 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 6: heard the other day there's like nine center fielders in 478 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame. 479 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 7: It's a really low number. 480 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 6: Somebody maybe nine is a little low, But how is 481 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 6: centerfield is premium a position and all the good players 482 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 6: nine to ten center fielders in the entire game, that's 483 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 6: not a lot. 484 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: Fair enough, Matt, I wanted to ask you about del 485 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: Tron and the cheating thing. Are you saying also, like, look, 486 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: I didn't get my pick. I'm just throwing a question 487 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: out there is there any similarity between the ped guys 488 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: and guys involved in that scandal. 489 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: I agree with Kyle. I don't really think that there's. 490 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: People have been trying to steal signs forever and now 491 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: was this a little bit over the line? Probably so, 492 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: I I do. I do think it's very different when 493 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 4: you started talking about guys were taking steroids and and 494 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 4: uh and pds and and uh. You know that, that 495 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 4: to me is is different certainly. Uh you know, I 496 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 4: think people will never uh not talk about Josel Tube 497 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 4: without bringing that up. I think Carlos kind of probably 498 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: gets around that a little bit because he wasn't you know, 499 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 4: it's kind of late in his career, and he wasn't 500 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 4: one of the main guys on their team at that point. 501 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 4: He was kind of more of a veteran uh leader, 502 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: didn't really wasn't really carrying a lot of the freight. 503 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: But I do think that guys like al Tu Bay 504 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 4: and and maybe maybe Bregmant a little bit. But I think, 505 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: you know, a guy like Alto Bay, fans are gonna 506 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 4: I think they're gonna tie that one to him, uh, 507 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: probably more than any of those other guys. I don't 508 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: think people when they think about Carlos Beltron's career goes 509 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 4: straight to. 510 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: You know, the Houston Astros scandal. 511 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 4: I think they think more about him as a met 512 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 4: and a royal than necessarily you know, the end when 513 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 4: he was with the Astros and and that that whole 514 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 4: thing happened. 515 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: So I think it's it's a totally different deal. 516 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: And and uh, could I say, you know, someday, would 517 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: have surprised me if they held out to be out 518 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: if he you know, if they say he was considered 519 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 4: a first ballot Hall of Famer, if if the voters 520 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: held it against him for a year or two, could 521 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 4: I see that happening? 522 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: Sure? Uh, But I don't think. 523 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 4: The rest of these guys, uh necessarily are going to 524 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: be thrown into the the cheating sort of category, like 525 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 4: like the steroid guys. 526 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: Lance you think guys eventually get in the hall, I 527 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: mean the way it's looking, No, I think they should. 528 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: And I think they should have a big old like 529 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: middle finger next to them, just to so everyone knows 530 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: what they did type thing. You know, maybe that's you know, 531 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: maybe that's the. 532 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 5: Black eye they need. 533 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: Hey, you're in, but double birds, you know what I'm 534 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: saying something like that, but I think they I think 535 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: they should be in like they're a story of the game, 536 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: and they were, they were, like some of them were 537 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 3: the best of their generation. And you can't tell me 538 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: for a ten year period of time like a good 539 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: chunk of players weren't doing it, And you can't tell 540 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 3: me that there's not a PD user in already. 541 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 5: I don't think. So That's where I'm at on that. 542 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: What do you think about that? 543 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 5: Kyle? 544 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Final question and we'll let you guys go. H is 545 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: for you same as Lance. Do you think eventually ped 546 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: guys will get in? And are you four against that? 547 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 6: I think it'll probably be more on the Veterans Committee 548 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 6: and those guys if they were to look back and say, hey, 549 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 6: were we all kind of doing something or were a 550 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 6: lot of us kind of doing something? Let's go ahead 551 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 6: and recognize these guys. 552 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 7: I don't think the writers will get you, no, and 553 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think they should. I don't know. That's 554 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 7: a tough one. 555 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 6: I know it wasn't technically illegal in some instances, but 556 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 6: in a lot of instances it was. 557 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: History will tell of eventually. The plaques have middle fingers 558 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: on them for the ped guys as they get into 559 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: the hall. Gentlemen, thank you, good job as always, and 560 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: that will do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 561 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: We'll see you on the next edition, hopefully that one 562 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: won't suck.