Speaker 1: Welcome to Ona's Vernon, joined by Jamal Crawford, the Man,
Speaker 1: the Man, the Legend.
Speaker 2: I am so happy you're back with us, sir, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Talking about yourself again the intro, I could have said
Speaker 3: the exact same thing about you.
Speaker 4: Thank you. How you doing?
Speaker 1: I don't have quite the hardware you do, but we
Speaker 1: can discuss that later. Maybe you can share one of
Speaker 1: those trophies with me, one of the six Man Awards.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see. We'll see get into Son's
Speaker 1: nuggets with you right away because you're a longtime teammate,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul. Another groin injury. Son's going down two in
Speaker 1: that series. Groin injuries, as we know, do not tend
Speaker 1: to be quick turnaround situations. This is a team that's
Speaker 1: already thinned due to the trade that got them Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant their bench, Jamal, this is gonna hurt you. Their
Speaker 1: bench only scored four points in Game two, So even
Speaker 1: with Devin Booker and Kadi, do you see any way
Speaker 1: Phoenix comes back and wins the series.
Speaker 3: I do see them win the series, but they have
Speaker 3: to use their bench right, so their bench have four
Speaker 3: more points than you? Like, what are we doing you
Speaker 3: have TJ. Warren over there, you have Terrence Ross over there.
Speaker 3: You have to use your depth. That's where Denver's beating them.
Speaker 3: They're not playing their top guys forty plus minutes and
Speaker 3: having to work every single possession. I feel like also
Speaker 3: Denver's has more continuity. They're doing more misdirection stuff. They're
Speaker 3: getting easier baskets, where on Phoenix it looks like your turn,
Speaker 3: my turn, and that's not best for them in my opinion.
Speaker 3: I feel like they have misdirection as well, getting KD
Speaker 3: and Devin Booker in space and then letting them attack.
Speaker 3: But we can't just have him go one on one
Speaker 3: every single time down the court.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but Green Katie actually lead the
Speaker 1: league in postseason minutes. They're at forty three minutes a game.
Speaker 1: But is that because Monty isn't using his bench or
Speaker 1: because that bench isn't reliable enough? Like would you go
Speaker 1: to those guys?
Speaker 4: I absolutely would. Terrence Ross is proven. TJ.
Speaker 3: Warren's proven. Just a couple of year ago. Years ago,
Speaker 3: in the bubble, TJ. Warren was looking like MVP bubble guys,
Speaker 3: like he was getting buckets. And I'm not saying these
Speaker 3: guys have to play thirty minutes a game. But if
Speaker 3: they can get you six to eight to ten points
Speaker 3: in an eight to ten point game where they can
Speaker 3: go off and burst, these guys are electric. Give him
Speaker 3: a chance to see what we have. But I would
Speaker 3: do that, and I will also change in my defensive coverage.
Speaker 3: I think you have to play some zone as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, so are you still picking Phoenix
Speaker 1: to win this series? Even down oh two?
Speaker 3: I'm still picking Phoenix, I said them of the Warriors
Speaker 3: will come out the West. I stay true right now.
Speaker 1: All right, that is a brave man. But you know what,
Speaker 1: that's how you got where you are.
Speaker 4: By rag. I got hard.
Speaker 3: I took the craziest shots ever I had heart. I
Speaker 3: can't be scared to fail. I'm still staying on what
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I want to get
Speaker 1: back to Chris Paul though, because he has now missed
Speaker 1: eight playoff games due to injury over his career. And look,
Speaker 1: everyone remembers those two huge games in the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals. The Rockets, of course, had that chance
Speaker 1: to beat Golden State. But there's a couple of seasons
Speaker 1: you played with him. He had that hamstring injury in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the broken hand in twenty sixteen. Is it
Speaker 1: bad luck? Is it because he's a smaller guard in
Speaker 1: the player so physical? Why does this keep happening to CP?
Speaker 3: I'm going to say bad luck, because nobody prepares like him.
Speaker 3: Like when we're in the playoffs together, he was doing
Speaker 3: every possible thing, from the hyperbaric chamber to code tubs
Speaker 3: and massages to strength and conditioning work to change in
Speaker 3: his diet. As we've seen over the last couple years,
Speaker 3: He's done every possible thing you could do to take
Speaker 3: care of himself and prepare himself because of his love
Speaker 3: for the game, because of what he's chasing. And to
Speaker 3: see him get injured at these moments and these times,
Speaker 3: it is disheartening as a basketball fan because out of
Speaker 3: all the players active players playing right now, I want
Speaker 3: to see him win a ring more than anybody else
Speaker 3: because I know what he pours into it. And for
Speaker 3: him to get hurt with these fluke injuries. Yesterday it
Speaker 3: was just a routine rebound and now his growing is
Speaker 3: bothering them. So I feel bad for him, and there's
Speaker 3: nothing any of us can do but hope for the best.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating if you're someone who's followed his career closely,
Speaker 1: because he's had great playoff performances. He had stellar outings
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and I feel like people don't remember
Speaker 1: that compared to the injuries. It feels like, oh, Chris
Speaker 1: Paul's legacy is playoff disappointment, quote unquote. But he's had
Speaker 1: some amazing, mind blowing games in the postseason. I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you think people are going to remember that or
Speaker 1: do you think the injuries should just overshadow all of it.
Speaker 3: I think they'll think about the injuries first because it's
Speaker 3: right here in front of us the biggest moments.
Speaker 4: Something always happens.
Speaker 3: But I'll take it back to when we beat the
Speaker 3: Spurs in twenty fifteen, the Spurs that just won the championship.
Speaker 3: Chris Hamstring goes, I have to play point guard in
Speaker 3: game seven for a large majority of the game, right,
Speaker 3: and then he comes back. It's the game when it shot.
Speaker 3: So you just root for people like that. He's an
Speaker 3: all time great player and all time great point guard.
Speaker 3: But I don't want it to be the narrative all
Speaker 3: the biggest moments. He always gets hurt because don't forget
Speaker 3: when he was playing yesterday, they were up eight, Like,
Speaker 3: he didn't have the best stat line, but he was
Speaker 3: organized and he was conducted.
Speaker 4: He was starting to pick his spots.
Speaker 3: And to see him get hurt like that, I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought he got hit in the low area. To
Speaker 3: be honest with you, I thought he's gonna walk it
Speaker 3: off when I heard about it growing and it's just hard.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can create his own shot in a
Speaker 1: way that not everyone on that team can, so they
Speaker 1: need him. Hopefully he'll be able to be more of
Speaker 1: himself later in the series, be able to come back.
Speaker 1: We'll have to find out. I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Nuggets, though, because Nikola Jokic had a monster
Speaker 1: game thirty nine, sixteen and five the number one seed.
Speaker 2: Right a few months.
Speaker 1: Ago, you talked about how teams were going to run
Speaker 1: one hundred picking rolls at Jokic. But what have you
Speaker 1: seen out of him defensively?
Speaker 3: What I've seen is they've been two major adjustments. One
Speaker 3: is he's actually coming up higher on the pick and roll,
Speaker 3: so it's almost like a trap, excuse me. And then secondly,
Speaker 3: he's actually point switching, so whatever guy's going up, he's.
Speaker 4: Sending another guy up there.
Speaker 3: And they have athletic wings on the second line with
Speaker 3: the Jeff Greens and the Aaron Gordons. He's having those
Speaker 3: guys switch out and he's guarding somebody in the corner.
Speaker 3: And what I'm noticing is when that happens, other guys
Speaker 3: aren't getting the ball to the corner to attack him
Speaker 3: that way. They're just kind of saying, Okay, we worked
Speaker 3: the clock, we got the ball in our best player's hands.
Speaker 4: We're just going to make a play.
Speaker 3: So it's a small but big adjustment what Denver's doing,
Speaker 3: and he's picking them apart offensively.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to score thirty plus points.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know what, brother, I'll get fifteen assists,
Speaker 3: I'll get twelve rebounds.
Speaker 4: I'll do it whatever's needed.
Speaker 3: But in the game where his shooters were struggling, Jamal
Speaker 3: Murray struggling, you know, other guys were struggling getting going,
Speaker 3: he said I'll take over scoring wise, he had no emotion.
Speaker 4: He's like, whatever I'll score, we'll win. This is what
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: I do think those little, tiny strategy adjustments have made
Speaker 1: such a big difference. But if you ask him to
Speaker 1: talk about it. They asked him after the game about
Speaker 1: what he was doing differently. He goes, you know what,
Speaker 1: when I'm open, I shoot, and when I'm not, I
Speaker 1: passed the ball.
Speaker 3: If it was also simple, right, that's how we teach basketball.
Speaker 3: It's also simple if you're open shooting, if you're not,
Speaker 3: pass the ball. The joker is playing a whole different
Speaker 3: game like race. If we went and we all hung
Speaker 3: out and went to a bar, he could be the
Speaker 3: bartender behind the bar, like you would never know our
Speaker 3: security outside. You would never know those guys are two
Speaker 3: time MVP with the way he plays. He's so smart,
Speaker 3: and he's so cerebral, and he's so selfless and he
Speaker 3: builds their care and that's why they're special.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have no knowledge at all.
Speaker 1: I am now just speculating, but I feel like he
Speaker 1: could put away a few.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the off season he's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he could have a good time. He could
Speaker 4: have a good time.
Speaker 3: I think just the right you would think MVP, most
Speaker 3: athletic guy, the strongest, the guy is the fastest. He's
Speaker 3: none of that. But he's playing with his mind first,
Speaker 3: and he's playing with being selfless and because of that,
Speaker 3: he's special and he's I mean to ask you, you've
Speaker 3: been around the league a long time. Have you seen
Speaker 3: somebody as unique at the center position?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, what that's what's so great about basketball right
Speaker 1: now is that people keep stretching the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Steph Curry and we'll get to the Warriors
Speaker 1: a little bit later in this conversation, but like, I'm
Speaker 1: watching Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1: It was what twenty fifteen, so less than a decade ago.
Speaker 1: Did Steph Curry completely changed basketball with those shots? Right,
Speaker 1: with those three pointers and how far out he was
Speaker 1: shooting and everything else. And then we have Nicolaiokicic come
Speaker 1: over and change basketball with the way he plays that position.
Speaker 1: And even in the interim where you have you know,
Speaker 1: the Unicorns come and Joel Embad and guys who are
Speaker 1: starting to shoot from outside more from that center spot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the fact that this game has
Speaker 1: stretched and changed so much just in the last decade,
Speaker 1: much less as long as you've been playing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Right, It's crazy because Rach we were the last team
Speaker 3: at the Clippers last Western Conference team to eliminate the Warriors.
Speaker 3: So we saw their run in real time, like we
Speaker 3: saw it happy and everybody's like, yeah, seven seconds or
Speaker 3: less play like this. They played fast, but you can't
Speaker 3: wait like that. So when he won, it like opened
Speaker 3: up everybody's mind and they became the blueprint, right, And
Speaker 3: now a guy like Joker, all these guys are like
Speaker 3: taking it even further.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're open to it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that people want to see positionless basketball because
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful game and now it's such a creative
Speaker 3: game that it can extend the imagination and kids all
Speaker 3: around the world say, you know what, I can start
Speaker 3: shooting and turn around before it goes in and it's okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just love how Kerr used to be like, that's
Speaker 2: a bad shot.
Speaker 1: Never Mind, that's a bad never mind, never mind doesn't
Speaker 1: say that anymore. I want to move back to the East,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Celtic Sixers James Harden tying his career
Speaker 1: playoff high forty five and a big time win. No
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid on the floor. Look, I think the week
Speaker 1: plus Philadelphia had off between the series and Round one
Speaker 1: certainly helped James have more bounce than I have seen
Speaker 1: with him in a while. And the fact that Doc
Speaker 1: Rivers likely knew the whole week Embiid wasn't playing. That
Speaker 1: gave him time to really game plan for Harden. But
Speaker 1: James went back to the Houston days right with his
Speaker 1: style of play, and he had to actually deliver right.
Speaker 1: It's easy to say it, but to go do it.
Speaker 1: What did you see watching him in Game.
Speaker 3: One, right before he even stepped on the court, the outfit,
Speaker 3: when he came with that blue outfit and he came
Speaker 3: with that swag on a record. I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: he's going to get fitf nobody's walking in with that
Speaker 3: kind of confidence and that kind.
Speaker 4: Of swag and about to have a bad game. He
Speaker 4: walked in. He put himself in that play. He put
Speaker 4: himself in Houston Hart.
Speaker 3: And what did we talk about the last conversation we
Speaker 3: had Luca James Harden. You saw some of the Luca
Speaker 3: the in between games. James Harden's first three shots were
Speaker 3: mid range shots. Yesterday, he didn't go right to the
Speaker 3: three line. He had forty five points on only four
Speaker 3: free throws. So he played that style of game. It
Speaker 3: was a mix of Houston James Harden and okay, see
Speaker 3: James Harden. Because he utilized the mid range, they had
Speaker 3: to have a big game. He showed up and showed out.
Speaker 3: And what it really did was it said, Okay, he
Speaker 3: really is just playing point guard because he's selfless to
Speaker 3: get his team involved. He can still go off and
Speaker 3: get points and get buckets. And he showed that last
Speaker 3: night and he willed them to a win. He gave
Speaker 3: them the swagger and say, you know what, tonight, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be the best player on the court.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he can deliver now that
Speaker 1: he hasn't had that big stretch of time off.
Speaker 2: Because I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the way he has been playing in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: has been largely because that is his role, right, that
Speaker 1: is what Doc has asked him to do. That's the
Speaker 1: smartest thing when you're playing with Joelle Embiid. Also, though
Speaker 1: we have seen him slow down, we have seen him
Speaker 1: not physically be able to be the player he was
Speaker 1: in his prime. So I'm curious to see if he
Speaker 1: does get another green light, if embat is out for
Speaker 1: another game, can we see it again without that chunk
Speaker 1: of time off. But I mean, look the answer until
Speaker 1: it's no, it's yes, right until he shows me he can't,
Speaker 1: it's yes because he's already done it once. I do
Speaker 1: have a question for you about the clothes though, as
Speaker 1: someone who was in the NBA and well and you
Speaker 1: were in the NBA and part of the David Stern
Speaker 1: dress code era, I mean, how do you feel that
Speaker 1: outfit would have gone over with the Lake commissioner?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh no, he wouldn't be able to get off the
Speaker 3: bus with that outfit. Like it's such a different time.
Speaker 3: Like even in New York when I was playing there, Isaiah,
Speaker 3: we could have a suit on, a button up, a
Speaker 3: button down, slacks and everything and still not be able
Speaker 3: to get on the bus with all the time. So
Speaker 3: to see that outfit, there was no possible way that
Speaker 3: would have worked. But this is the anything goes ere.
Speaker 3: It got everybody's attention. Then he backed it up more
Speaker 3: importantly than anything I think when it also did was
Speaker 3: two things. Is it bought Joel and be more time
Speaker 3: because now he doesn't have to rush back because they
Speaker 3: stole one right.
Speaker 4: And then secondly, and this is what's scared for Boston.
Speaker 3: It may have unlocked James mentally because he's been in
Speaker 3: this point guard role when I played, and I played
Speaker 3: different positions. When I was in the point guard mode,
Speaker 3: even being a score, I was in that mode. I
Speaker 3: was trying to get people the ball. I wasn't even
Speaker 3: thinking about my own shot. They may have unlocked his scorn,
Speaker 3: which is scary for everybody because if he can tap
Speaker 3: into that consistently, to your point, it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: serious well.
Speaker 1: Look, he also had a little mental It wasn't just
Speaker 1: a physical break when you talk about his mental state,
Speaker 1: he had a little mental break over the time between
Speaker 1: rounds one and two. He was studied in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: Jamal and look a lot of people up in arms
Speaker 1: in that. Of course, Phil Jackson is we know, let
Speaker 1: Dennis Robin go to Vegas during the playoffs and that
Speaker 1: last dance season, and his attitude was it's better to
Speaker 1: let Rodman bloff steam the way he wants and get
Speaker 1: in that right mental state, then let it have it
Speaker 1: all build up.
Speaker 2: If you were the.
Speaker 1: Coach in this situation with James, would you have done
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 3: He's going to get me forty five in a win.
Speaker 3: Rache go to Vegas we may send our team jet.
Speaker 3: Don't have fun. I'll make sure you're safe. Security, It's
Speaker 3: all good. You just come back and produce and be
Speaker 3: the pro u R and be the best player on
Speaker 3: the court. Do whatever you need to do to get
Speaker 3: your mind right, your physicals there. He was working out
Speaker 3: after the game last night. He told he told his teammates,
Speaker 3: you know what, that's only one win.
Speaker 4: That's not enough. Go get in the locker room. You
Speaker 4: got work to do. If that got him to this place,
Speaker 4: we're sending the jet form.
Speaker 1: I like how you were picturing Nicole Yokich at a
Speaker 1: bar earlier, because I'm sure he and Harden it would
Speaker 1: just be the same.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yeah, whatever they do, they do, they both
Speaker 3: perform at that level.
Speaker 4: Go have your fun.
Speaker 1: Oh boy. Boston, of course, did not help matters in
Speaker 1: that game with their costly turnovers a little shaky fourth
Speaker 1: quarter defense. The Celtics did have some good play though
Speaker 1: they shot close to sixty percent. They had twenty points
Speaker 1: off turnovers, sixty six points in the paint. Tatum was
Speaker 1: great thirty nine, eleven and five. So given those two
Speaker 1: sides of the coin, there are you worried about Boston?
Speaker 3: I'm worried about Boston for what the reasons you said,
Speaker 3: But I'm also worried that Jalen Brown was eight for
Speaker 3: ten and only got ten shots. If I'm Jalen Brown,
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know what, I understand who Taylum is,
Speaker 3: but I understand who I am as well.
Speaker 4: We have to have balance.
Speaker 3: I think Boston's better when both those guys get thirty,
Speaker 3: are both get close to thirty, and then the others kind.
Speaker 4: Of fell around.
Speaker 3: Rodden may get eighteen, Smart may get twelve, Horford may
Speaker 3: get fourteen. Like, I think they're better when they're when
Speaker 3: that's the formula versus Tatum going off for almost forty
Speaker 3: and then everybody else kint it down there, and Jalen
Speaker 3: Brown was eight for ten and he played forty two minutes,
Speaker 3: like he played forty two minutes. That's not the recipe.
Speaker 3: But they can't turn the ball over when it matters most.
Speaker 3: That was their Achilles Hill last year in the finals, right, Like,
Speaker 3: we can't have that and a team that is missing
Speaker 3: their best player and you're at home. There's no way
Speaker 3: that should happen. There's no excuse for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was, it was so close at
Speaker 1: the end. I don't know. I'm not going to take
Speaker 1: too much out of that game on either side, frankly,
Speaker 1: just because I mean, you had you had a random
Speaker 1: turnover Tyre's Max, he stole the ball. You know, if
Speaker 1: that hadn't happened, game would have turned differently. There's just
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. If they had sent a double
Speaker 1: of James right at the end, maybe the game would
Speaker 1: have gone differently. So I'm I'm a reserve judgment. But
Speaker 1: it's not what point in game.
Speaker 4: One it should have been that close though.
Speaker 3: Rage Even with that, this should have been over right, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, they should have they should have handled businesses,
Speaker 3: should have been double figure in.
Speaker 4: They could have. They could have to control of the
Speaker 4: game way before the last quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, they could have forced Joelle
Speaker 1: to try to come back in game two and now, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens, but he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to certainly, all right, let's get to the game out
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles where I am a Lakers Warriors series.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I can't.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been trying to figure this out all day,
Speaker 1: Like I can't. I can't pick one here because they
Speaker 1: both they both I don't know they batch up well
Speaker 1: against each other. You know, I think the Warriors are
Speaker 1: a more complete team now that Wiggins is back. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't bet against Lebron in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't bet against Steph in the playoffs. So really,
Speaker 1: can they both win?
Speaker 3: I know, right, I think I think they're both gonna win.
Speaker 3: But I think we're all gonna win. By seeing the
Speaker 3: greatness I'm saying the Warriors, just by seeing the I'm
Speaker 3: saying Warriors, and I think it could go seven, just
Speaker 3: the fact that it will be a chess match. But
Speaker 3: the Warriors move so much, and I think that's where
Speaker 3: the Lakers struggle.
Speaker 4: On defense.
Speaker 3: They're really good if you're playing isolation ball. They have
Speaker 3: the limp, they have the size, they can pack it in.
Speaker 3: But when you have that much movement, it takes communication.
Speaker 3: It takes different people switching that may not want to
Speaker 3: switch on Curry, all those different things to cause confusion.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna come down to a chess match. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be Lebron and Dremond thinking it's gonna be Steph
Speaker 3: and you know, eighty thinking about different things or schrodering
Speaker 3: like it's gonna come down to a chess match, And
Speaker 3: I think that's what's gonna be fun about it, because
Speaker 3: they both just play young teams and players. They both won, right,
Speaker 3: They're going to be playing their chest masters, they're both champions.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a dare for a field this one
Speaker 3: and how they adjust. But I think the Warriors went.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I know who the Lakers are yet,
Speaker 1: even after all this time, right because I don't know
Speaker 1: if the team we saw against Memphis is going to
Speaker 1: be the team that we saw we see against the
Speaker 1: Warriors because Memphis had those frontline injuries. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think there was so much attention on Dylan Brooks and
Speaker 1: everything else that was going on, But the bottom line
Speaker 1: is Memphis was not at full strength in the exact
Speaker 1: place that the Lakers are the strongest. So I don't
Speaker 1: feel like we saw a real test of them in
Speaker 1: that way. And Anthony Davis is frankly a wildcard to me,
Speaker 1: because some nights he is exceptional and he played great
Speaker 1: defense that entire series, by the way, but some nights
Speaker 1: he's not that aggressive. And I don't know which one
Speaker 1: of those were gonna get in this Warrior series. When
Speaker 1: you watch Ad, are you frustrated sometimes or you.
Speaker 2: Just say, hey, that's how it is. You can't be
Speaker 2: one thousand percent all the time.
Speaker 3: I think, to be honest with you, they have to
Speaker 3: make Ad the best player. And what I mean by
Speaker 3: that is they have to publicly say, and specifically Lebron.
Speaker 3: I believe Lebron to me has to do what Way
Speaker 3: did for him when he was in Miami, say you
Speaker 3: know what, Ad is the guy.
Speaker 4: We're going to go as far as he takes us.
Speaker 3: I think that will free Ad mentally, because I'm sure
Speaker 3: Lebron said that behind closed doors and he may have
Speaker 3: said it publicly, but maybe he needs to hear it
Speaker 3: again because you can tell when AD's playing with Lebron,
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm little brother, I'm not going to step
Speaker 3: on his toes. Lebron's an all time great, and Lebron's
Speaker 3: like no a D He's doing this the right thing,
Speaker 3: like no go. But he may have to do it
Speaker 3: a little bit more and Ad may hear it differently
Speaker 3: if he comes through in a public manner. Just because
Speaker 3: if Ad is carrying them first to third, then Lebron
Speaker 3: can take over the fourth quarter. You don't want Lebron
Speaker 3: take it over in the first quarter and then expect
Speaker 3: him to take over the fourth quarter as well. So
Speaker 3: I think Ad has to be the guy for them,
Speaker 3: with everybody else feeling in Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was the plan right when Lebron came
Speaker 1: to LA the idea was and then they got Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: The idea was, Hey, I'll be the guy at the beginning,
Speaker 1: and then over time that will change, and then Anthony
Speaker 1: Davils will come up and he'll be the guy and
Speaker 1: Lebron will be.
Speaker 2: The older legend dude.
Speaker 1: Right, And I kind of feel like this is the year,
Speaker 1: this is the playoffs where we have to see that happen.
Speaker 1: Can't really wait anymore.
Speaker 4: But I'm not sure any of us thought.
Speaker 3: And you're twenty, Lebron be still age thirty, so I'm
Speaker 3: sure Ad is looking like a hold on, man, what
Speaker 3: am I supposed to.
Speaker 4: Do with this dude?
Speaker 3: Still after thirty boys, I'm naturally gonna fall back. So
Speaker 3: I think that's why Lebron may need to come out.
Speaker 3: And it's not any fall of Lebron's at all, it's
Speaker 3: just from what they need let Ad be the main
Speaker 3: guy to take over. Let Austin Reeves feel in, let
Speaker 3: Dangela Russell get going, and then Lebron score through it out.
Speaker 3: But the fourth quarter, give him the basketball and let
Speaker 3: him create his magic. But I think that's when the
Speaker 3: Lakers are at their best with Steph.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of talk after that
Speaker 1: game seven in Sacramento. Where would you put him in
Speaker 1: turns of the best point guard ever in history? Where
Speaker 1: is he rank overall in terms of players, best ever overall?
Speaker 2: Where are you on all that?
Speaker 3: I would look at him as a player before I
Speaker 3: did a point guard. And what I mean by that
Speaker 3: is his responsibility isn't necessarily to just come down and
Speaker 3: be the traditional point guard that Isaiah Thomas or Magic
Speaker 3: or Jason Kidd or those guys. We're doing our John Stockton.
Speaker 3: His job is to make everybody better in a different way,
Speaker 3: and he does that. Steph is so selfless and his
Speaker 3: his not only his gravitational pull, his electricity, his his
Speaker 3: his movement. Steph is a movement by himself. So all
Speaker 3: time great players. His book is still being written, but
Speaker 3: I would say he's somewhere in the top without thoroughly
Speaker 3: thinking about it, somewhere in the top ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: right now, I would say, for sure, and win another championship.
Speaker 3: He goes even higher, right and he continues to eclipse.
Speaker 3: He may end somewhere really really high, but he's still
Speaker 3: you know, he's still got four or five years at
Speaker 3: this level.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I put him safely in the
Speaker 1: top ten. I mean, I'm you're right like you and
Speaker 1: I need we would need to actually make the list
Speaker 1: because it always drives me crazy when people are like,
Speaker 1: he's one of the top three, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: who are you taking out? But but I mean, the
Speaker 1: man has getting more rings than fingers these days, and
Speaker 1: he's setting records every five seconds, and he literally changed
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. I mean, what I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's not top.
Speaker 3: His story is that you're absolutely right his story, and
Speaker 3: he might be I'm just thinking off the top. And
Speaker 3: you know, I've seen a lot of old school guys,
Speaker 3: obviously from the Kareems and Magics and Kobe's and all
Speaker 3: those guys. So he may end up right there with
Speaker 3: everybody else, but right now, he's still going. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, we'll keep going and we'll talk about the
Speaker 3: end of the day, but already he's you'll talk about
Speaker 3: it later, but he already is top ten to fifteen.
Speaker 3: He has to be like he's he's ridiculous, He's ridiculous,
Speaker 3: he's we've never seen nothing like it, Like we've never
Speaker 3: seen a player like this and be this good in
Speaker 3: this self.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's bananas. Let's get to Miami and the
Speaker 1: Knicks series. Because you were in New York on Celebrity Row.
Speaker 1: I loved the people paying homage as they ship to you.
Speaker 1: What was the energy, Like.
Speaker 4: You can't duplicate it.
Speaker 3: I've never been to arena that feels like that in
Speaker 3: the city that feels like that. And from from the
Speaker 3: Ben Steelers to the Tracy Morgan's to the Spikes, like
Speaker 3: all just being New Yorkers and just being fans, and
Speaker 3: they're mixing with everybody else who grew up in the
Speaker 3: Bronx or Hard Them or whatever else. It's like a
Speaker 3: melting pot for everybody and they all have the same
Speaker 3: joy to be in that arena was magic. I was thinking,
Speaker 3: I'm like literally talking to my wife like, Yo, we
Speaker 3: have to move to New York, Like this is crazy,
Speaker 3: Like just the feel of it, the feel of the city,
Speaker 3: the feel of everything is totally different. You can't duplicate.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a fan base like it's ever in
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you would have to pay for a
Speaker 1: meal if you move to New York for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I could. I think I could slide by.
Speaker 3: I could slide and give me a psychle pizza this home.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, Wait, take us behind the curtain a
Speaker 1: little bit, all right, so at halftime, explain what happens
Speaker 1: at halftime where you can go in the back and
Speaker 1: mix with the with the other famous peeps and explain.
Speaker 1: Take everyone back behind the car.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go pregame first. I'm gonna go before I
Speaker 3: get to the court. They take us up to this suite,
Speaker 3: right and Latrell spree Wheel's over there, Oh, coach Coach
Speaker 3: Patino's over there. Okay, there's been Stiller over there. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: there's Michael Rainey over there. Oh okay, there's Spike over there. Oh,
Speaker 3: Tracy Morgan's over there. Like it's just like and everybody's mingling.
Speaker 3: We can't wait to get downstairs to the game. We
Speaker 3: get to the court before the game starts and it's electric.
Speaker 3: Nobody's sitting down. The energy is ridiculous, Like it feels
Speaker 3: like the whole city is just in this arena. That's
Speaker 3: what it feels like. It feels like all eight million
Speaker 3: people are in just this arena. So the energy is crazy.
Speaker 3: Then they're playing well. Right then halftime, everybody's talking about
Speaker 3: how they're playing. Everybody's you know, like wow, this is
Speaker 3: really gonna happen. And then we all get down there
Speaker 3: after the third quarter starts, so we're a little bit late,
Speaker 3: and at the time Cleveland made a run, right, so
Speaker 3: they're back in the game. Everybody's a little nervous. Right
Speaker 3: fast forward to the end of the game. They pull
Speaker 3: it out. Brunton starts hitting big shots. They're in love
Speaker 3: with Josh Harp by the way, side note like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, do no wrong right now? Right, So that's
Speaker 3: fun And I'm not bragging. I'm saying this humbly. It
Speaker 3: was worse before that. Before that was rolling because we
Speaker 3: try to go a different way and it was like
Speaker 3: it was crazy. So we're like, no, we're going a
Speaker 3: different way, and we went that way and then that's
Speaker 3: the clip everybody saw.
Speaker 2: I mean, you were mobbed.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Josh Hart will also never need
Speaker 1: to buy another meal for himself.
Speaker 4: And no, he's not.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean say his name to get a
Speaker 3: meal like that may happening right now.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you. Let me tell you this one part.
Speaker 4: This is how I know.
Speaker 3: There was a Crawford jersey and somebody put a piece
Speaker 3: of tape over with Bruss and I.
Speaker 4: Said, oh my gosh, this is crazy. What's going on
Speaker 4: right now? New York. They're in love with their names.
Speaker 4: Jalen was absolutely killing. He deserved it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love seeing him get this kind
Speaker 1: of reception.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't make that trade for Donovan and
Speaker 1: this team went ahead and said, no, no, we're good.
Speaker 2: With what we got.
Speaker 4: We're good.
Speaker 1: Will be interesting to see what happens in this heat series,
Speaker 1: because I was frankly pretty surprised when Jimmy got.
Speaker 2: Hurt toward the end of Game one.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, okay, look, they've got at least five
Speaker 1: more minutes left on the clock. Miami doesn't have its
Speaker 1: best player able to move. We know that the Knicks
Speaker 1: are a physical team, and I thought they would take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. They didn't as we sit here and
Speaker 1: recording this, we don't know quite how bad Butler's ankle
Speaker 1: injury is. We can say that we do know at
Speaker 1: the very least he's not going to be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent going forward.
Speaker 2: So overall, what effect.
Speaker 1: Do you think Butler having that bum ankle is going
Speaker 1: to have on the rest of the series.
Speaker 3: Here's the fact, because not only offensively defense, Jimmy's one
Speaker 3: of a few players in the league who is just
Speaker 3: as comfortable being on the game when he shot where
Speaker 3: he has to defend somebody and they have a chance
Speaker 3: or having the ball in a game with a shot.
Speaker 4: That's very few people that can do that.
Speaker 3: And I'm watching how he's guarded Jaylen Brunston and how
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brunston is trying to like get him off of him. Right, So,
Speaker 3: just mentally, if Jimmy can't go, a guy like Jaylen
Speaker 3: Brunston like ooh, Jimmy's not daring.
Speaker 4: Got to worry about that. Cool.
Speaker 3: I got the freedom to do what I need to do,
Speaker 3: and it may get him confidence and give his team confidence.
Speaker 3: So if Jimmy can go, honestly, I think I will
Speaker 3: play in this game just to try to make sure
Speaker 3: I get a too elite and then wrest them because
Speaker 3: now you really have them, you know where you want them.
Speaker 3: But if you play around, they get one. They only
Speaker 3: got to come to Miami with you get you know,
Speaker 3: getting the one to get home for advantage back. So
Speaker 3: if he can go, or maybe we play the game
Speaker 3: like this, right, maybe we say, you know what, Jimmy,
Speaker 3: We're not going to tell them you may play that
Speaker 3: you may not, but you'll be a uniform put in
Speaker 3: your mind you'll play, but you may not play a second.
Speaker 3: But just to mess with them, if we need you
Speaker 3: for that one possession, we'll put you out there.
Speaker 1: If your TIBs, what do you tell your guys, especially
Speaker 1: a younger guy like Brunson about going against an injured player,
Speaker 1: because again, you know, we don't know how bad it
Speaker 1: is with Jimmy right now, but and we might not
Speaker 1: know really he might be out there from game to
Speaker 1: game and it might be up and down. What do
Speaker 1: you tell the Knicks players about going at him? Because
Speaker 1: they didn't do it at the end of game one,
Speaker 1: So what do you tell them to make them more aggressive?
Speaker 3: Well, if I know TIBs, I play for him and
Speaker 3: I know him, he's going to say, you attack them,
Speaker 3: go at him, make him work, get him tired, try
Speaker 3: to you know down. That's exactly what Tibbs is telling them,
Speaker 3: and also knowing Timms, nobody's watched more tape since that game,
Speaker 3: so I'm sure he's looking at all those things to say.
Speaker 3: You know what, Jimmy was kind of hanging out the
Speaker 3: last five minutes. If he plays, We're going right at him.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put him in every action. We're gonna make
Speaker 3: sure he's involved in every play, just to wear him down.
Speaker 3: So I believe that's what's gonna be the next approach,
Speaker 3: no matter who he's guarden, somebody run up in the
Speaker 3: pick and roll, somebody run around, make him chase and
Speaker 3: make him put some wear and tear on that body.
Speaker 1: By the way, I want to give a little shout
Speaker 1: out to Kyle Lowry because I know fans were killing
Speaker 1: him throughout the regular season, but he's shown again in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and by the way he did this last year,
Speaker 1: he is solid for them. The experience he has, the
Speaker 1: savvy he has, and look ten points a game on
Speaker 1: forty percent from three. He just kind of contributes every
Speaker 1: night as a guy who provided that experience later in
Speaker 1: your career. I can't even speak you tell me how
Speaker 1: important that is that, especially on a team where you're
Speaker 1: in situations that are new to some players.
Speaker 3: Every minute rach don't bets matter, doesn't the mirror range matter?
Speaker 4: Like all the things great round on.
Speaker 3: The regular season, these things come to show themselves at
Speaker 3: the most important time.
Speaker 4: Kyle Lowry is a champion. He's a winner. He's not
Speaker 4: a rattle.
Speaker 3: He's always ready for the big moment. He's cerebral, so
Speaker 3: he knows how to make the player or the angle
Speaker 3: that play should happen, or take the charge or whatever
Speaker 3: it takes to win. He has that that grit and
Speaker 3: that gristle. Side note, isn't amazing how many Villanova stars
Speaker 3: are showing up in the playoffs like the winners they
Speaker 3: have with hard runs and Michael Bridges early and obviously
Speaker 3: k Loo Like, these guys are winners and he's a winner,
Speaker 3: and you want people like that in your program. So, no,
Speaker 3: they may not get twenty five a game in the
Speaker 3: regular season, but when it matters between winning and losing,
Speaker 3: that's what they do best, and you want guys like
Speaker 3: that on your side.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, even though he's an NBA champion,
Speaker 1: he's still underrated. I just think he does all those
Speaker 1: little things on the court, and I liked seeing him
Speaker 1: shine at this time of year because people notice. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, right, Kyle Lowry.
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Speaker 1: we're looking at this second round. Which player I just
Speaker 1: named from the last round? Right, we had Steph and Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Which player do you think do you predict we'll have
Speaker 1: a signature moment of the conference, semis.
Speaker 4: Steph Curry for sure.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this with Jimmy being my MVP of
Speaker 3: the first round, but right now with him being a
Speaker 3: little banged up. He can have a Willis Reed moment
Speaker 3: where he doesn't play all game and comes in special.
Speaker 3: But Steph Curry, I feel like he's going to have
Speaker 3: one of those moments where he's just he mints his history.
Speaker 3: He's see mints his legacy. It's already seen minute, but
Speaker 3: he just takes up another level and the biggest moments,
Speaker 3: Steph curR. He always shines the brightest. He always shines
Speaker 3: the brightest. And I know for a fact Lebron's gonna
Speaker 3: have moments, right, but Steph Curry at some point is
Speaker 3: gonna have that moment where we all run down the
Speaker 3: street like we were were kids, or run out where
Speaker 3: we're at like he just did this. I can't believe
Speaker 3: he just shot from half court for a game winner.
Speaker 3: He's gonna do something that's gonna be crazy. That's Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: No, if he drops like a dozen threes in a
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Speaker 1: Let's look at Wednesday nights game Celtics nine point favorites
Speaker 1: over the Sixers in Game two, nine point favorites jabal.
Speaker 3: That's huge, right, right, they like they got a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's crazy, that's big, that's big. I agree though, I agree,
Speaker 3: though I'm being Boston will make some corrections. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: shooting sixty six percent first stretch and losing the game,
Speaker 3: getting that many points in the paint, Like, they got
Speaker 3: to make the adjustice. I think they'll watch film. They'll
Speaker 3: be honest with each other. They were here last year
Speaker 3: obviously going to the finals and making the adjustment. They're
Speaker 3: gonna win Game two. This is in Boston. It's gonna burn.
Speaker 3: They're gonna involve Jaylen Brown some more. They're not gonna
Speaker 3: turn the ball over.
Speaker 4: They win the game. Game two.
Speaker 2: You take the over in that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they'll blow it out. They're gonna have to
Speaker 3: put it hard now early in that one, for sure.
Speaker 1: And Friday's action. You've got the Sun's four point favorites
Speaker 1: against the Nuggets. We don't know about CP three, but
Speaker 1: it is a must win for the Suns. You're picking
Speaker 1: Phoenix to win the series still, so I assume that
Speaker 1: you're You're good with that. You like the Suns being
Speaker 1: favorite that.
Speaker 3: One, Yeah, I like the Sons being favorite. I think
Speaker 3: Mani's gonna absolutely use his bitch more. I think he'll
Speaker 3: do a little bit more misdirection, and I think he'll
Speaker 3: give them a different look defensive. We've proven that you
Speaker 3: cannot guard them, man and man, they're picking you apart.
Speaker 3: You have to throw a zone at Doc put his
Speaker 3: zone last night against Boston. You have to throw a
Speaker 3: zone at Denver to absolutely mess up their rhythm. They're connected,
Speaker 3: so if Joker gets it, somebody cuts, somebody else cuts
Speaker 3: handoff there it's like ABC in Someway. Jokers, you know,
Speaker 3: making the main play. At least in his zone, you
Speaker 3: could dictate who you want to shoot the ball with
Speaker 3: them having to come through the middle.
Speaker 4: So I believe they'll make the proper justice and get
Speaker 4: those wins.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I may die on this hill, but I
Speaker 1: still think that Kevin Durant is going to give us
Speaker 1: a forty point plus playoff game coming up. I think
Speaker 1: he's too good not to, and he had a bad
Speaker 1: shooting night the other night. But I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I he's Kevin Durant and he plays He's Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4: What would help him? Yes, what would help him?
Speaker 3: He has to get some misdirection like it looked like
Speaker 3: how it looks last year when Brooklyn played Boston where
Speaker 3: he had to go one on one every single possession
Speaker 3: for four quarters in four games. Like, let's get some
Speaker 3: misdirection like we had when he first came to the team.
Speaker 3: Remember how easy it was. He was scoring easy, Booker
Speaker 3: was scoring. Everybody's touching it, they're attacking. They need to
Speaker 3: get back to that for me.
Speaker 1: We'll see And obviously Chris Paul's health status will be
Speaker 1: an issue game to game in that series. Yeah, little news.
Speaker 1: The Athletic reporting the quote, the Memphis Grizzlies have informed
Speaker 1: pending unrestricted free agent Dylan Brooks he will not be
Speaker 1: brought back under any circumstances. So that's huge. According to
Speaker 1: the Athletic sources, Memphis and Brooks discussed in the exit
Speaker 1: interview meetings that this is what would be best for
Speaker 1: both sides to have a fresh start. I mean, Jamal,
Speaker 1: was this just inevitable at this point?
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, right, are they basically saying,
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks, You're the reason why we lost. You're the
Speaker 3: reason why we lost. We have to get away from you.
Speaker 3: You ruined everything we built this whole year? Are they
Speaker 3: saying that?
Speaker 4: Before?
Speaker 1: I answered, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4: Look.
Speaker 1: I think that they have been looking to move on
Speaker 1: from Dylan Brooks in different ways at different points over
Speaker 1: the last year or two. I mean they've certainly they
Speaker 1: tried to make that trade for Michale Bridges that would
Speaker 1: have made Dylan.
Speaker 2: Not as much part of their plan going forward.
Speaker 1: I think that they knew that this maybe wasn't the
Speaker 1: best fit for them long term, either culture wise or
Speaker 1: on the court.
Speaker 2: But it didn't help. I mean, I want to listen
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Things he did in this series. He called Lebron old,
Speaker 1: he called him tired. He punched Lebron in the groin
Speaker 1: in Game three, which got him ejected. He missed two
Speaker 1: key defensive assignments in that pivotal Game four that pretty
Speaker 1: much won that game for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, on the offensive end, he.
Speaker 1: Was frequently left open by la couldn't make them pay.
Speaker 1: And remember this is all after last season where he
Speaker 1: was suspended during the playoffs for punching Gary Payton the
Speaker 1: second in the head.
Speaker 4: Oh, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: So rag I think Dylan Brooks had a chance to
Speaker 3: be the villain and own the villain. And I think
Speaker 3: if he had, if it had worked out in his favorite,
Speaker 3: he would have made a boatload of money. Like I
Speaker 3: just feel like teams have been like, you know what,
Speaker 3: we need that guy on our team to help with
Speaker 3: culture and be that irritant to the best players, and
Speaker 3: it works in his favor and it works in the
Speaker 3: team's favor. It went the complete opposite way. So now
Speaker 3: people are going to say, oh, we can't bring you
Speaker 3: in to leave. We're not bringing you back under any circumstances.
Speaker 3: So he had a chance to be the villain and
Speaker 3: own it. He became the villain and then didn't own
Speaker 3: it and then didn't talk to the media, and that,
Speaker 3: right there is what turns for well.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about owning it, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: if he had sort of handled himself differently, I don't
Speaker 1: know how other teams are going to view him. Now,
Speaker 1: where do you see him ending up after this because
Speaker 1: he will play next season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll play next season, but it'll just be a struggle.
Speaker 3: It'll take a specific team that needs a very specific thing,
Speaker 3: and it'll be probably a shorter relationship between the two
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, you kind of have to
Speaker 3: prove it here now that you can fit into what
Speaker 3: we're doing. Because this last year, this last playoffs, I
Speaker 3: should say, it's been a disaster and for him, you know,
Speaker 3: going forward, if you're going to do something like that,
Speaker 3: you got to stand on that and he didn't really
Speaker 3: stay on that hill.
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a good example of how
Speaker 1: hard it is to really play that villain role well
Speaker 1: in the NBA, right. I mean we see the guys
Speaker 1: who do it and pull it off, but it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's a balance, right. You have to know who to target, when,
Speaker 1: when to run your mouth, when not to. You have
Speaker 1: to be able to back it up, and you have
Speaker 1: to be comfortable playing that way, and not everybody is.
Speaker 1: I mean, who is the best sort of villain while
Speaker 1: you were playing?
Speaker 3: You feel like I think Draymond Green was a great villain.
Speaker 3: I feel like Kevin Garnett was a great villain. To
Speaker 3: some yeah, I loved him, He's one of my favorites ever,
Speaker 3: but those type of guys. And to Dylan, he went
Speaker 3: against not only all time great player, we know Lebron
Speaker 3: where he is all time, but he went against an
Speaker 3: all time fan favorite, Like so he's going against a
Speaker 3: whole different beast, Like, so you got to do that
Speaker 3: and then back it up. You can't do that and
Speaker 3: then you know what you're playing, is this all time
Speaker 3: great and not show up? That was just he didn't
Speaker 3: show up on or off the court. Like that was
Speaker 3: disheartening because I was like, oh, it's about to get real, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're really going with this. You're saying this man is
Speaker 3: just this and the third you're about to really go
Speaker 3: at it, and it just it was disappointed.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't think you can say to someone, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't respect until he gives me forty if the
Speaker 1: hymn in question is the all time leading scorer in
Speaker 1: NBA history, because he's given forty a lot. I mean
Speaker 1: that's just happened a lot, So you can't really.
Speaker 3: He doesn't excite him anymore, right, Like I got forty
Speaker 3: thousand exactly.
Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford, thank you so much. Everyone out there.
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Speaker 4: See you appreciate it. Thanks Rach