1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ona's Vernon, joined by Jamal Crawford, the Man, 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: the Man, the Legend. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: I am so happy you're back with us, sir, Welcome. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 3: Talking about yourself again the intro, I could have said 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: the exact same thing about you. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 4: Thank you. How you doing? 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't have quite the hardware you do, but we 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: can discuss that later. Maybe you can share one of 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: those trophies with me, one of the six Man Awards. 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see. We'll see get into Son's 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: nuggets with you right away because you're a longtime teammate, 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: Chris Paul. Another groin injury. Son's going down two in 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: that series. Groin injuries, as we know, do not tend 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: to be quick turnaround situations. This is a team that's 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: already thinned due to the trade that got them Kevin 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Durant their bench, Jamal, this is gonna hurt you. Their 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: bench only scored four points in Game two, So even 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: with Devin Booker and Kadi, do you see any way 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Phoenix comes back and wins the series. 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: I do see them win the series, but they have 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: to use their bench right, so their bench have four 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: more points than you? Like, what are we doing you 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: have TJ. Warren over there, you have Terrence Ross over there. 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: You have to use your depth. That's where Denver's beating them. 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: They're not playing their top guys forty plus minutes and 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: having to work every single possession. I feel like also 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: Denver's has more continuity. They're doing more misdirection stuff. They're 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: getting easier baskets, where on Phoenix it looks like your turn, 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: my turn, and that's not best for them in my opinion. 30 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: I feel like they have misdirection as well, getting KD 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: and Devin Booker in space and then letting them attack. 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: But we can't just have him go one on one 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: every single time down the court. 34 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but Green Katie actually lead the 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: league in postseason minutes. They're at forty three minutes a game. 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: But is that because Monty isn't using his bench or 37 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: because that bench isn't reliable enough? Like would you go 38 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: to those guys? 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: I absolutely would. Terrence Ross is proven. TJ. 40 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: Warren's proven. Just a couple of year ago. Years ago, 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: in the bubble, TJ. Warren was looking like MVP bubble guys, 42 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: like he was getting buckets. And I'm not saying these 43 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: guys have to play thirty minutes a game. But if 44 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: they can get you six to eight to ten points 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: in an eight to ten point game where they can 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: go off and burst, these guys are electric. Give him 47 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: a chance to see what we have. But I would 48 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: do that, and I will also change in my defensive coverage. 49 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: I think you have to play some zone as well. 50 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, so are you still picking Phoenix 51 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: to win this series? Even down oh two? 52 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm still picking Phoenix, I said them of the Warriors 53 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: will come out the West. I stay true right now. 54 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: All right, that is a brave man. But you know what, 55 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: that's how you got where you are. 56 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: By rag. I got hard. 57 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: I took the craziest shots ever I had heart. I 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: can't be scared to fail. I'm still staying on what 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: I said. 60 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I want to get 61 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: back to Chris Paul though, because he has now missed 62 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: eight playoff games due to injury over his career. And look, 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: everyone remembers those two huge games in the twenty eighteen 64 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals. The Rockets, of course, had that chance 65 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: to beat Golden State. But there's a couple of seasons 66 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: you played with him. He had that hamstring injury in 67 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the broken hand in twenty sixteen. Is it 68 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: bad luck? Is it because he's a smaller guard in 69 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: the player so physical? Why does this keep happening to CP? 70 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to say bad luck, because nobody prepares like him. 71 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: Like when we're in the playoffs together, he was doing 72 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: every possible thing, from the hyperbaric chamber to code tubs 73 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: and massages to strength and conditioning work to change in 74 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: his diet. As we've seen over the last couple years, 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: He's done every possible thing you could do to take 76 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: care of himself and prepare himself because of his love 77 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: for the game, because of what he's chasing. And to 78 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: see him get injured at these moments and these times, 79 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: it is disheartening as a basketball fan because out of 80 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: all the players active players playing right now, I want 81 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: to see him win a ring more than anybody else 82 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: because I know what he pours into it. And for 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: him to get hurt with these fluke injuries. Yesterday it 84 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: was just a routine rebound and now his growing is 85 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: bothering them. So I feel bad for him, and there's 86 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: nothing any of us can do but hope for the best. 87 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: It's frustrating if you're someone who's followed his career closely, 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: because he's had great playoff performances. He had stellar outings 89 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and I feel like people don't remember 90 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: that compared to the injuries. It feels like, oh, Chris 91 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Paul's legacy is playoff disappointment, quote unquote. But he's had 92 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: some amazing, mind blowing games in the postseason. I don't know, 93 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: do you think people are going to remember that or 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: do you think the injuries should just overshadow all of it. 95 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: I think they'll think about the injuries first because it's 96 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: right here in front of us the biggest moments. 97 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: Something always happens. 98 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: But I'll take it back to when we beat the 99 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: Spurs in twenty fifteen, the Spurs that just won the championship. 100 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: Chris Hamstring goes, I have to play point guard in 101 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: game seven for a large majority of the game, right, 102 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: and then he comes back. It's the game when it shot. 103 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: So you just root for people like that. He's an 104 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: all time great player and all time great point guard. 105 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: But I don't want it to be the narrative all 106 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: the biggest moments. He always gets hurt because don't forget 107 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: when he was playing yesterday, they were up eight, Like, 108 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: he didn't have the best stat line, but he was 109 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: organized and he was conducted. 110 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: He was starting to pick his spots. 111 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: And to see him get hurt like that, I thought, 112 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: I thought he got hit in the low area. To 113 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: be honest with you, I thought he's gonna walk it 114 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: off when I heard about it growing and it's just hard. 115 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: No. 116 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he can create his own shot in a 117 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: way that not everyone on that team can, so they 118 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: need him. Hopefully he'll be able to be more of 119 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: himself later in the series, be able to come back. 120 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: We'll have to find out. I do want to talk 121 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: about the Nuggets, though, because Nikola Jokic had a monster 122 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: game thirty nine, sixteen and five the number one seed. 123 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: Right a few months. 124 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Ago, you talked about how teams were going to run 125 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: one hundred picking rolls at Jokic. But what have you 126 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: seen out of him defensively? 127 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: What I've seen is they've been two major adjustments. One 128 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: is he's actually coming up higher on the pick and roll, 129 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: so it's almost like a trap, excuse me. And then secondly, 130 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: he's actually point switching, so whatever guy's going up, he's. 131 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 4: Sending another guy up there. 132 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: And they have athletic wings on the second line with 133 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: the Jeff Greens and the Aaron Gordons. He's having those 134 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: guys switch out and he's guarding somebody in the corner. 135 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: And what I'm noticing is when that happens, other guys 136 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: aren't getting the ball to the corner to attack him 137 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: that way. They're just kind of saying, Okay, we worked 138 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: the clock, we got the ball in our best player's hands. 139 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 4: We're just going to make a play. 140 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: So it's a small but big adjustment what Denver's doing, 141 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: and he's picking them apart offensively. 142 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: He doesn't want to score thirty plus points. 143 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: He's like, you know what, brother, I'll get fifteen assists, 144 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: I'll get twelve rebounds. 145 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: I'll do it whatever's needed. 146 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: But in the game where his shooters were struggling, Jamal 147 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: Murray struggling, you know, other guys were struggling getting going, 148 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: he said I'll take over scoring wise, he had no emotion. 149 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 4: He's like, whatever I'll score, we'll win. This is what 150 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: I do. 151 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: I do think those little, tiny strategy adjustments have made 152 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: such a big difference. But if you ask him to 153 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: talk about it. They asked him after the game about 154 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: what he was doing differently. He goes, you know what, 155 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: when I'm open, I shoot, and when I'm not, I 156 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: passed the ball. 157 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: If it was also simple, right, that's how we teach basketball. 158 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: It's also simple if you're open shooting, if you're not, 159 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: pass the ball. The joker is playing a whole different 160 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: game like race. If we went and we all hung 161 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: out and went to a bar, he could be the 162 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: bartender behind the bar, like you would never know our 163 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: security outside. You would never know those guys are two 164 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: time MVP with the way he plays. He's so smart, 165 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 3: and he's so cerebral, and he's so selfless and he 166 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: builds their care and that's why they're special. 167 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: I feel like I have no knowledge at all. 168 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: I am now just speculating, but I feel like he 169 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: could put away a few. 170 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: I feel like in the off season he's. 171 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he could have a good time. He could 172 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: have a good time. 173 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: I think just the right you would think MVP, most 174 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: athletic guy, the strongest, the guy is the fastest. He's 175 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: none of that. But he's playing with his mind first, 176 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: and he's playing with being selfless and because of that, 177 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: he's special and he's I mean to ask you, you've 178 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: been around the league a long time. Have you seen 179 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: somebody as unique at the center position? 180 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 181 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: Not like that. 182 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what that's what's so great about basketball right 183 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: now is that people keep stretching the game. I mean, 184 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm watching Steph Curry and we'll get to the Warriors 185 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: a little bit later in this conversation, but like, I'm 186 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: watching Steph Curry. 187 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: And it wasn't that long ago. 188 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: It was what twenty fifteen, so less than a decade ago. 189 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Did Steph Curry completely changed basketball with those shots? Right, 190 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: with those three pointers and how far out he was 191 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: shooting and everything else. And then we have Nicolaiokicic come 192 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: over and change basketball with the way he plays that position. 193 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: And even in the interim where you have you know, 194 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the Unicorns come and Joel Embad and guys who are 195 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: starting to shoot from outside more from that center spot. 196 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I love the fact that this game has 197 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: stretched and changed so much just in the last decade, 198 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: much less as long as you've been playing. I mean, 199 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. 200 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Right, It's crazy because Rach we were the last team 201 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: at the Clippers last Western Conference team to eliminate the Warriors. 202 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: So we saw their run in real time, like we 203 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: saw it happy and everybody's like, yeah, seven seconds or 204 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: less play like this. They played fast, but you can't 205 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: wait like that. So when he won, it like opened 206 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: up everybody's mind and they became the blueprint, right, And 207 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: now a guy like Joker, all these guys are like 208 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: taking it even further. 209 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're open to it. 210 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad that people want to see positionless basketball because 211 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: it's a beautiful game and now it's such a creative 212 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: game that it can extend the imagination and kids all 213 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: around the world say, you know what, I can start 214 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 3: shooting and turn around before it goes in and it's okay. 215 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 216 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: I just love how Kerr used to be like, that's 217 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: a bad shot. 218 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: Never Mind, that's a bad never mind, never mind doesn't 219 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: say that anymore. I want to move back to the East, 220 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Celtic Sixers James Harden tying his career 221 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: playoff high forty five and a big time win. No 222 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: Joel Embiid on the floor. Look, I think the week 223 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: plus Philadelphia had off between the series and Round one 224 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: certainly helped James have more bounce than I have seen 225 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: with him in a while. And the fact that Doc 226 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Rivers likely knew the whole week Embiid wasn't playing. That 227 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: gave him time to really game plan for Harden. But 228 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: James went back to the Houston days right with his 229 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: style of play, and he had to actually deliver right. 230 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: It's easy to say it, but to go do it. 231 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: What did you see watching him in Game. 232 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: One, right before he even stepped on the court, the outfit, 233 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: when he came with that blue outfit and he came 234 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: with that swag on a record. I said, you know what, 235 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: he's going to get fitf nobody's walking in with that 236 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: kind of confidence and that kind. 237 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 4: Of swag and about to have a bad game. He 238 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: walked in. He put himself in that play. He put 239 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: himself in Houston Hart. 240 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: And what did we talk about the last conversation we 241 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: had Luca James Harden. You saw some of the Luca 242 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: the in between games. James Harden's first three shots were 243 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: mid range shots. Yesterday, he didn't go right to the 244 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: three line. He had forty five points on only four 245 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: free throws. So he played that style of game. It 246 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: was a mix of Houston James Harden and okay, see 247 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: James Harden. Because he utilized the mid range, they had 248 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: to have a big game. He showed up and showed out. 249 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: And what it really did was it said, Okay, he 250 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: really is just playing point guard because he's selfless to 251 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: get his team involved. He can still go off and 252 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: get points and get buckets. And he showed that last 253 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: night and he willed them to a win. He gave 254 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: them the swagger and say, you know what, tonight, I'm 255 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: going to be the best player on the court. 256 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he can deliver now that 257 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: he hasn't had that big stretch of time off. 258 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Because I agree. 259 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: I think the way he has been playing in Philadelphia 260 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: has been largely because that is his role, right, that 261 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: is what Doc has asked him to do. That's the 262 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: smartest thing when you're playing with Joelle Embiid. Also, though 263 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: we have seen him slow down, we have seen him 264 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: not physically be able to be the player he was 265 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: in his prime. So I'm curious to see if he 266 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: does get another green light, if embat is out for 267 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: another game, can we see it again without that chunk 268 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: of time off. But I mean, look the answer until 269 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: it's no, it's yes, right until he shows me he can't, 270 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: it's yes because he's already done it once. I do 271 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: have a question for you about the clothes though, as 272 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: someone who was in the NBA and well and you 273 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: were in the NBA and part of the David Stern 274 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: dress code era, I mean, how do you feel that 275 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: outfit would have gone over with the Lake commissioner? 276 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: Oh? 277 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: Oh no, he wouldn't be able to get off the 278 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: bus with that outfit. Like it's such a different time. 279 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: Like even in New York when I was playing there, Isaiah, 280 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: we could have a suit on, a button up, a 281 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: button down, slacks and everything and still not be able 282 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: to get on the bus with all the time. So 283 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: to see that outfit, there was no possible way that 284 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: would have worked. But this is the anything goes ere. 285 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: It got everybody's attention. Then he backed it up more 286 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: importantly than anything I think when it also did was 287 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: two things. Is it bought Joel and be more time 288 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 3: because now he doesn't have to rush back because they 289 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: stole one right. 290 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: And then secondly, and this is what's scared for Boston. 291 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: It may have unlocked James mentally because he's been in 292 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: this point guard role when I played, and I played 293 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: different positions. When I was in the point guard mode, 294 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: even being a score, I was in that mode. I 295 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: was trying to get people the ball. I wasn't even 296 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: thinking about my own shot. They may have unlocked his scorn, 297 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: which is scary for everybody because if he can tap 298 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: into that consistently, to your point, it's gonna be a 299 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 3: serious well. 300 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: Look, he also had a little mental It wasn't just 301 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: a physical break when you talk about his mental state, 302 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: he had a little mental break over the time between 303 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: rounds one and two. He was studied in Las Vegas, 304 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Jamal and look a lot of people up in arms 305 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: in that. Of course, Phil Jackson is we know, let 306 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: Dennis Robin go to Vegas during the playoffs and that 307 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: last dance season, and his attitude was it's better to 308 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: let Rodman bloff steam the way he wants and get 309 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: in that right mental state, then let it have it 310 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: all build up. 311 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: If you were the. 312 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: Coach in this situation with James, would you have done 313 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: the same thing. 314 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: He's going to get me forty five in a win. 315 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: Rache go to Vegas we may send our team jet. 316 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: Don't have fun. I'll make sure you're safe. Security, It's 317 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: all good. You just come back and produce and be 318 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: the pro u R and be the best player on 319 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: the court. Do whatever you need to do to get 320 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: your mind right, your physicals there. He was working out 321 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: after the game last night. He told he told his teammates, 322 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: you know what, that's only one win. 323 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: That's not enough. Go get in the locker room. You 324 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: got work to do. If that got him to this place, 325 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: we're sending the jet form. 326 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: I like how you were picturing Nicole Yokich at a 327 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: bar earlier, because I'm sure he and Harden it would 328 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: just be the same. 329 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yeah, whatever they do, they do, they both 330 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 3: perform at that level. 331 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: Go have your fun. 332 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Oh boy. Boston, of course, did not help matters in 333 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: that game with their costly turnovers a little shaky fourth 334 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: quarter defense. The Celtics did have some good play though 335 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: they shot close to sixty percent. They had twenty points 336 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: off turnovers, sixty six points in the paint. Tatum was 337 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: great thirty nine, eleven and five. So given those two 338 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: sides of the coin, there are you worried about Boston? 339 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm worried about Boston for what the reasons you said, 340 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: But I'm also worried that Jalen Brown was eight for 341 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: ten and only got ten shots. If I'm Jalen Brown, 342 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know what, I understand who Taylum is, 343 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: but I understand who I am as well. 344 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: We have to have balance. 345 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: I think Boston's better when both those guys get thirty, 346 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: are both get close to thirty, and then the others kind. 347 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: Of fell around. 348 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: Rodden may get eighteen, Smart may get twelve, Horford may 349 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: get fourteen. Like, I think they're better when they're when 350 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: that's the formula versus Tatum going off for almost forty 351 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: and then everybody else kint it down there, and Jalen 352 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: Brown was eight for ten and he played forty two minutes, 353 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: like he played forty two minutes. That's not the recipe. 354 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: But they can't turn the ball over when it matters most. 355 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: That was their Achilles Hill last year in the finals, right, Like, 356 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: we can't have that and a team that is missing 357 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: their best player and you're at home. There's no way 358 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: that should happen. There's no excuse for that. 359 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was, it was so close at 360 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: the end. I don't know. I'm not going to take 361 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: too much out of that game on either side, frankly, 362 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: just because I mean, you had you had a random 363 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: turnover Tyre's Max, he stole the ball. You know, if 364 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: that hadn't happened, game would have turned differently. There's just 365 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. If they had sent a double 366 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: of James right at the end, maybe the game would 367 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: have gone differently. So I'm I'm a reserve judgment. But 368 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: it's not what point in game. 369 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: One it should have been that close though. 370 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: Rage Even with that, this should have been over right, Like, 371 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: come on, they should have they should have handled businesses, 372 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: should have been double figure in. 373 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 4: They could have. They could have to control of the 374 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 4: game way before the last quarter. 375 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, they could have forced Joelle 376 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: to try to come back in game two and now, yes, 377 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens, but he doesn't have 378 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: to certainly, all right, let's get to the game out 379 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles where I am a Lakers Warriors series. 380 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I can't. 381 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: I've been I've been trying to figure this out all day, 382 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Like I can't. I can't pick one here because they 383 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: both they both I don't know they batch up well 384 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: against each other. You know, I think the Warriors are 385 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: a more complete team now that Wiggins is back. But 386 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't bet against Lebron in the playoffs. 387 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't bet against Steph in the playoffs. So really, 388 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: can they both win? 389 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: I know, right, I think I think they're both gonna win. 390 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: But I think we're all gonna win. By seeing the 391 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: greatness I'm saying the Warriors, just by seeing the I'm 392 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: saying Warriors, and I think it could go seven, just 393 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: the fact that it will be a chess match. But 394 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: the Warriors move so much, and I think that's where 395 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: the Lakers struggle. 396 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: On defense. 397 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: They're really good if you're playing isolation ball. They have 398 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: the limp, they have the size, they can pack it in. 399 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: But when you have that much movement, it takes communication. 400 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: It takes different people switching that may not want to 401 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: switch on Curry, all those different things to cause confusion. 402 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: And it's gonna come down to a chess match. It's 403 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: gonna be Lebron and Dremond thinking it's gonna be Steph 404 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: and you know, eighty thinking about different things or schrodering 405 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: like it's gonna come down to a chess match, And 406 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: I think that's what's gonna be fun about it, because 407 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: they both just play young teams and players. They both won, right, 408 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: They're going to be playing their chest masters, they're both champions. 409 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a dare for a field this one 410 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: and how they adjust. But I think the Warriors went. 411 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: It's tough. 412 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I know who the Lakers are yet, 413 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: even after all this time, right because I don't know 414 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: if the team we saw against Memphis is going to 415 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: be the team that we saw we see against the 416 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: Warriors because Memphis had those frontline injuries. I mean, I 417 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: think there was so much attention on Dylan Brooks and 418 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: everything else that was going on, But the bottom line 419 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: is Memphis was not at full strength in the exact 420 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: place that the Lakers are the strongest. So I don't 421 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: feel like we saw a real test of them in 422 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that way. And Anthony Davis is frankly a wildcard to me, 423 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: because some nights he is exceptional and he played great 424 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: defense that entire series, by the way, but some nights 425 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: he's not that aggressive. And I don't know which one 426 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: of those were gonna get in this Warrior series. When 427 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: you watch Ad, are you frustrated sometimes or you. 428 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: Just say, hey, that's how it is. You can't be 429 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: one thousand percent all the time. 430 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: I think, to be honest with you, they have to 431 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: make Ad the best player. And what I mean by 432 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: that is they have to publicly say, and specifically Lebron. 433 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: I believe Lebron to me has to do what Way 434 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: did for him when he was in Miami, say you 435 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: know what, Ad is the guy. 436 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 4: We're going to go as far as he takes us. 437 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: I think that will free Ad mentally, because I'm sure 438 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: Lebron said that behind closed doors and he may have 439 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: said it publicly, but maybe he needs to hear it 440 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: again because you can tell when AD's playing with Lebron, 441 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: He's like, I'm little brother, I'm not going to step 442 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 3: on his toes. Lebron's an all time great, and Lebron's 443 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: like no a D He's doing this the right thing, 444 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: like no go. But he may have to do it 445 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more and Ad may hear it differently 446 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: if he comes through in a public manner. Just because 447 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: if Ad is carrying them first to third, then Lebron 448 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 3: can take over the fourth quarter. You don't want Lebron 449 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 3: take it over in the first quarter and then expect 450 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: him to take over the fourth quarter as well. So 451 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: I think Ad has to be the guy for them, 452 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: with everybody else feeling in Yeah. 453 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this was the plan right when Lebron came 454 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: to LA the idea was and then they got Anthony Davis. 455 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: The idea was, Hey, I'll be the guy at the beginning, 456 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: and then over time that will change, and then Anthony 457 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: Davils will come up and he'll be the guy and 458 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: Lebron will be. 459 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: The older legend dude. 460 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Right, And I kind of feel like this is the year, 461 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: this is the playoffs where we have to see that happen. 462 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Can't really wait anymore. 463 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 4: But I'm not sure any of us thought. 464 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: And you're twenty, Lebron be still age thirty, so I'm 465 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: sure Ad is looking like a hold on, man, what 466 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: am I supposed to. 467 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 4: Do with this dude? 468 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: Still after thirty boys, I'm naturally gonna fall back. So 469 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: I think that's why Lebron may need to come out. 470 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: And it's not any fall of Lebron's at all, it's 471 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: just from what they need let Ad be the main 472 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: guy to take over. Let Austin Reeves feel in, let 473 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: Dangela Russell get going, and then Lebron score through it out. 474 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: But the fourth quarter, give him the basketball and let 475 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: him create his magic. But I think that's when the 476 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 3: Lakers are at their best with Steph. 477 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of talk after that 478 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: game seven in Sacramento. Where would you put him in 479 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: turns of the best point guard ever in history? Where 480 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: is he rank overall in terms of players, best ever overall? 481 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: Where are you on all that? 482 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: I would look at him as a player before I 483 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: did a point guard. And what I mean by that 484 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: is his responsibility isn't necessarily to just come down and 485 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: be the traditional point guard that Isaiah Thomas or Magic 486 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: or Jason Kidd or those guys. We're doing our John Stockton. 487 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: His job is to make everybody better in a different way, 488 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: and he does that. Steph is so selfless and his 489 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: his not only his gravitational pull, his electricity, his his 490 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: his movement. Steph is a movement by himself. So all 491 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: time great players. His book is still being written, but 492 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 3: I would say he's somewhere in the top without thoroughly 493 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 3: thinking about it, somewhere in the top ten to fifteen 494 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 3: right now, I would say, for sure, and win another championship. 495 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: He goes even higher, right and he continues to eclipse. 496 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: He may end somewhere really really high, but he's still 497 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: you know, he's still got four or five years at 498 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: this level. 499 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna say I put him safely in the 500 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: top ten. I mean, I'm you're right like you and 501 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: I need we would need to actually make the list 502 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: because it always drives me crazy when people are like, 503 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: he's one of the top three, and it's like, well, 504 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: who are you taking out? But but I mean, the 505 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: man has getting more rings than fingers these days, and 506 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: he's setting records every five seconds, and he literally changed 507 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: the game of basketball. I mean, what I don't know, 508 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: that's not top. 509 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 3: His story is that you're absolutely right his story, and 510 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: he might be I'm just thinking off the top. And 511 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: you know, I've seen a lot of old school guys, 512 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: obviously from the Kareems and Magics and Kobe's and all 513 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: those guys. So he may end up right there with 514 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: everybody else, but right now, he's still going. So it's like, yeah, 515 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: all right, we'll keep going and we'll talk about the 516 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: end of the day, but already he's you'll talk about 517 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: it later, but he already is top ten to fifteen. 518 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: He has to be like he's he's ridiculous, He's ridiculous, 519 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: he's we've never seen nothing like it, Like we've never 520 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: seen a player like this and be this good in 521 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: this self. 522 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: I mean, it's bananas. Let's get to Miami and the 523 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: Knicks series. Because you were in New York on Celebrity Row. 524 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: I loved the people paying homage as they ship to you. 525 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: What was the energy, Like. 526 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: You can't duplicate it. 527 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 3: I've never been to arena that feels like that in 528 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: the city that feels like that. And from from the 529 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 3: Ben Steelers to the Tracy Morgan's to the Spikes, like 530 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 3: all just being New Yorkers and just being fans, and 531 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 3: they're mixing with everybody else who grew up in the 532 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: Bronx or Hard Them or whatever else. It's like a 533 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: melting pot for everybody and they all have the same 534 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 3: joy to be in that arena was magic. I was thinking, 535 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: I'm like literally talking to my wife like, Yo, we 536 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: have to move to New York, Like this is crazy, 537 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: Like just the feel of it, the feel of the city, 538 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 3: the feel of everything is totally different. You can't duplicate. 539 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 3: I've never seen a fan base like it's ever in 540 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: my life. 541 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you would have to pay for a 542 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: meal if you move to New York for you. 543 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I could. I think I could slide by. 544 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: I could slide and give me a psychle pizza this home. 545 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, Wait, take us behind the curtain a 546 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: little bit, all right, so at halftime, explain what happens 547 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: at halftime where you can go in the back and 548 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: mix with the with the other famous peeps and explain. 549 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: Take everyone back behind the car. 550 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go pregame first. I'm gonna go before I 551 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 3: get to the court. They take us up to this suite, 552 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: right and Latrell spree Wheel's over there, Oh, coach Coach 553 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 3: Patino's over there. Okay, there's been Stiller over there. Oh okay, 554 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: there's Michael Rainey over there. Oh okay, there's Spike over there. Oh, 555 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 3: Tracy Morgan's over there. Like it's just like and everybody's mingling. 556 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 3: We can't wait to get downstairs to the game. We 557 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 3: get to the court before the game starts and it's electric. 558 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: Nobody's sitting down. The energy is ridiculous, Like it feels 559 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: like the whole city is just in this arena. That's 560 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: what it feels like. It feels like all eight million 561 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: people are in just this arena. So the energy is crazy. 562 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: Then they're playing well. Right then halftime, everybody's talking about 563 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: how they're playing. Everybody's you know, like wow, this is 564 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: really gonna happen. And then we all get down there 565 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: after the third quarter starts, so we're a little bit late, 566 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: and at the time Cleveland made a run, right, so 567 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: they're back in the game. Everybody's a little nervous. Right 568 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 3: fast forward to the end of the game. They pull 569 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 3: it out. Brunton starts hitting big shots. They're in love 570 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: with Josh Harp by the way, side note like, oh 571 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: my god, do no wrong right now? Right, So that's 572 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: fun And I'm not bragging. I'm saying this humbly. It 573 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: was worse before that. Before that was rolling because we 574 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 3: try to go a different way and it was like 575 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: it was crazy. So we're like, no, we're going a 576 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: different way, and we went that way and then that's 577 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: the clip everybody saw. 578 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you were mobbed. 579 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, Josh Hart will also never need 580 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: to buy another meal for himself. 581 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 4: And no, he's not. 582 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean say his name to get a 583 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: meal like that may happening right now. 584 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: Let me tell you. Let me tell you this one part. 585 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: This is how I know. 586 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: There was a Crawford jersey and somebody put a piece 587 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: of tape over with Bruss and I. 588 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 4: Said, oh my gosh, this is crazy. What's going on 589 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 4: right now? New York. They're in love with their names. 590 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 4: Jalen was absolutely killing. He deserved it. 591 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: I love it. I love seeing him get this kind 592 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: of reception. 593 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: I love that. 594 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't make that trade for Donovan and 595 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: this team went ahead and said, no, no, we're good. 596 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: With what we got. 597 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: We're good. 598 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: Will be interesting to see what happens in this heat series, 599 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: because I was frankly pretty surprised when Jimmy got. 600 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: Hurt toward the end of Game one. 601 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, okay, look, they've got at least five 602 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: more minutes left on the clock. Miami doesn't have its 603 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: best player able to move. We know that the Knicks 604 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: are a physical team, and I thought they would take 605 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: advantage of it. They didn't as we sit here and 606 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: recording this, we don't know quite how bad Butler's ankle 607 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: injury is. We can say that we do know at 608 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: the very least he's not going to be one hundred 609 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: percent going forward. 610 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: So overall, what effect. 611 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: Do you think Butler having that bum ankle is going 612 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: to have on the rest of the series. 613 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: Here's the fact, because not only offensively defense, Jimmy's one 614 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: of a few players in the league who is just 615 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: as comfortable being on the game when he shot where 616 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: he has to defend somebody and they have a chance 617 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: or having the ball in a game with a shot. 618 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: That's very few people that can do that. 619 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: And I'm watching how he's guarded Jaylen Brunston and how 620 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: Jaylen Brunston is trying to like get him off of him. Right, So, 621 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: just mentally, if Jimmy can't go, a guy like Jaylen 622 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: Brunston like ooh, Jimmy's not daring. 623 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 4: Got to worry about that. Cool. 624 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 3: I got the freedom to do what I need to do, 625 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: and it may get him confidence and give his team confidence. 626 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: So if Jimmy can go, honestly, I think I will 627 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: play in this game just to try to make sure 628 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: I get a too elite and then wrest them because 629 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: now you really have them, you know where you want them. 630 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 3: But if you play around, they get one. They only 631 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: got to come to Miami with you get you know, 632 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: getting the one to get home for advantage back. So 633 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 3: if he can go, or maybe we play the game 634 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: like this, right, maybe we say, you know what, Jimmy, 635 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: We're not going to tell them you may play that 636 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: you may not, but you'll be a uniform put in 637 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: your mind you'll play, but you may not play a second. 638 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: But just to mess with them, if we need you 639 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: for that one possession, we'll put you out there. 640 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: If your TIBs, what do you tell your guys, especially 641 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: a younger guy like Brunson about going against an injured player, 642 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: because again, you know, we don't know how bad it 643 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: is with Jimmy right now, but and we might not 644 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: know really he might be out there from game to 645 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: game and it might be up and down. What do 646 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: you tell the Knicks players about going at him? Because 647 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: they didn't do it at the end of game one, 648 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: So what do you tell them to make them more aggressive? 649 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: Well, if I know TIBs, I play for him and 650 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 3: I know him, he's going to say, you attack them, 651 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: go at him, make him work, get him tired, try 652 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: to you know down. That's exactly what Tibbs is telling them, 653 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: and also knowing Timms, nobody's watched more tape since that game, 654 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 3: so I'm sure he's looking at all those things to say. 655 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: You know what, Jimmy was kind of hanging out the 656 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: last five minutes. If he plays, We're going right at him. 657 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna put him in every action. We're gonna make 658 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: sure he's involved in every play, just to wear him down. 659 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: So I believe that's what's gonna be the next approach, 660 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: no matter who he's guarden, somebody run up in the 661 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: pick and roll, somebody run around, make him chase and 662 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: make him put some wear and tear on that body. 663 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: By the way, I want to give a little shout 664 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: out to Kyle Lowry because I know fans were killing 665 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: him throughout the regular season, but he's shown again in 666 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs and by the way he did this last year, 667 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: he is solid for them. The experience he has, the 668 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: savvy he has, and look ten points a game on 669 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: forty percent from three. He just kind of contributes every 670 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: night as a guy who provided that experience later in 671 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: your career. I can't even speak you tell me how 672 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: important that is that, especially on a team where you're 673 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: in situations that are new to some players. 674 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: Every minute rach don't bets matter, doesn't the mirror range matter? 675 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: Like all the things great round on. 676 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: The regular season, these things come to show themselves at 677 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: the most important time. 678 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: Kyle Lowry is a champion. He's a winner. He's not 679 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: a rattle. 680 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: He's always ready for the big moment. He's cerebral, so 681 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: he knows how to make the player or the angle 682 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 3: that play should happen, or take the charge or whatever 683 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: it takes to win. He has that that grit and 684 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: that gristle. Side note, isn't amazing how many Villanova stars 685 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: are showing up in the playoffs like the winners they 686 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: have with hard runs and Michael Bridges early and obviously 687 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: k Loo Like, these guys are winners and he's a winner, 688 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: and you want people like that in your program. So, no, 689 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: they may not get twenty five a game in the 690 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: regular season, but when it matters between winning and losing, 691 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: that's what they do best, and you want guys like 692 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: that on your side. 693 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: I just feel like, even though he's an NBA champion, 694 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: he's still underrated. I just think he does all those 695 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: little things on the court, and I liked seeing him 696 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: shine at this time of year because people notice. They're like, 697 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, right, Kyle Lowry. 698 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Kyle Lowry is great, right, champion? 699 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh right, that's really important. Let's get to our legendary 700 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: moments top Shot. The most legendary moments of the twenty 701 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: twenty three NBA Playoffs live forever as collectibles on NBA 702 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: top Shot. 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Right, we had Steph and Jimmy. 711 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: Which player do you think do you predict we'll have 712 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: a signature moment of the conference, semis. 713 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 4: Steph Curry for sure. 714 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: And I'm saying this with Jimmy being my MVP of 715 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: the first round, but right now with him being a 716 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: little banged up. He can have a Willis Reed moment 717 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: where he doesn't play all game and comes in special. 718 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: But Steph Curry, I feel like he's going to have 719 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: one of those moments where he's just he mints his history. 720 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: He's see mints his legacy. It's already seen minute, but 721 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: he just takes up another level and the biggest moments, 722 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: Steph curR. He always shines the brightest. He always shines 723 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: the brightest. And I know for a fact Lebron's gonna 724 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: have moments, right, but Steph Curry at some point is 725 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: gonna have that moment where we all run down the 726 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: street like we were were kids, or run out where 727 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: we're at like he just did this. I can't believe 728 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: he just shot from half court for a game winner. 729 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: He's gonna do something that's gonna be crazy. That's Steph Curry. 730 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: No, if he drops like a dozen threes in a 731 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: game forty plus to beat the Lakers with Lebron James, 732 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's going to be your signature moment. 733 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see what happens. Start your NBA Top 734 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: Shot collection today at NBA topshot dot com. You can 735 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: get closer than ever to the game and the players 736 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: you love. Sign up today. Let's get to on the Radar, 737 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings, the only sportsbook you need this postseason. 738 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: Let's look at Wednesday nights game Celtics nine point favorites 739 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: over the Sixers in Game two, nine point favorites jabal. 740 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: That's huge, right, right, they like they got a chance. Yeah, 741 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: that's crazy, that's big, that's big. I agree though, I agree, 742 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: though I'm being Boston will make some corrections. Yeah, they 743 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: shooting sixty six percent first stretch and losing the game, 744 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: getting that many points in the paint, Like, they got 745 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: to make the adjustice. I think they'll watch film. They'll 746 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: be honest with each other. They were here last year 747 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 3: obviously going to the finals and making the adjustment. They're 748 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: gonna win Game two. This is in Boston. It's gonna burn. 749 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: They're gonna involve Jaylen Brown some more. They're not gonna 750 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: turn the ball over. 751 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 4: They win the game. Game two. 752 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: You take the over in that one. 753 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they'll blow it out. They're gonna have to 754 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: put it hard now early in that one, for sure. 755 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: And Friday's action. You've got the Sun's four point favorites 756 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: against the Nuggets. We don't know about CP three, but 757 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: it is a must win for the Suns. You're picking 758 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: Phoenix to win the series still, so I assume that 759 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: you're You're good with that. You like the Suns being 760 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: favorite that. 761 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: One, Yeah, I like the Sons being favorite. I think 762 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: Mani's gonna absolutely use his bitch more. I think he'll 763 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: do a little bit more misdirection, and I think he'll 764 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: give them a different look defensive. We've proven that you 765 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: cannot guard them, man and man, they're picking you apart. 766 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: You have to throw a zone at Doc put his 767 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: zone last night against Boston. You have to throw a 768 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: zone at Denver to absolutely mess up their rhythm. They're connected, 769 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: so if Joker gets it, somebody cuts, somebody else cuts 770 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 3: handoff there it's like ABC in Someway. Jokers, you know, 771 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: making the main play. At least in his zone, you 772 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: could dictate who you want to shoot the ball with 773 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 3: them having to come through the middle. 774 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: So I believe they'll make the proper justice and get 775 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: those wins. 776 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Well, look, I may die on this hill, but I 777 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: still think that Kevin Durant is going to give us 778 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: a forty point plus playoff game coming up. I think 779 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: he's too good not to, and he had a bad 780 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: shooting night the other night. But I mean, I just 781 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: I he's Kevin Durant and he plays He's Kevin Durant. 782 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 4: What would help him? Yes, what would help him? 783 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: He has to get some misdirection like it looked like 784 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: how it looks last year when Brooklyn played Boston where 785 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: he had to go one on one every single possession 786 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: for four quarters in four games. Like, let's get some 787 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: misdirection like we had when he first came to the team. 788 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: Remember how easy it was. He was scoring easy, Booker 789 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: was scoring. Everybody's touching it, they're attacking. They need to 790 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: get back to that for me. 791 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: We'll see And obviously Chris Paul's health status will be 792 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: an issue game to game in that series. Yeah, little news. 793 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: The Athletic reporting the quote, the Memphis Grizzlies have informed 794 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: pending unrestricted free agent Dylan Brooks he will not be 795 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: brought back under any circumstances. So that's huge. According to 796 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: the Athletic sources, Memphis and Brooks discussed in the exit 797 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: interview meetings that this is what would be best for 798 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: both sides to have a fresh start. I mean, Jamal, 799 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: was this just inevitable at this point? 800 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, right, are they basically saying, 801 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks, You're the reason why we lost. You're the 802 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 3: reason why we lost. We have to get away from you. 803 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 3: You ruined everything we built this whole year? Are they 804 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: saying that? 805 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 4: Before? 806 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: I answered, I mean, I don't. 807 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 4: Look. 808 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: I think that they have been looking to move on 809 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: from Dylan Brooks in different ways at different points over 810 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: the last year or two. I mean they've certainly they 811 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: tried to make that trade for Michale Bridges that would 812 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: have made Dylan. 813 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: Not as much part of their plan going forward. 814 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that they knew that this maybe wasn't the 815 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: best fit for them long term, either culture wise or 816 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: on the court. 817 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: But it didn't help. I mean, I want to listen 818 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: for you. 819 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Things he did in this series. He called Lebron old, 820 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: he called him tired. He punched Lebron in the groin 821 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: in Game three, which got him ejected. He missed two 822 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: key defensive assignments in that pivotal Game four that pretty 823 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: much won that game for the Lakers. 824 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, on the offensive end, he. 825 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: Was frequently left open by la couldn't make them pay. 826 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: And remember this is all after last season where he 827 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: was suspended during the playoffs for punching Gary Payton the 828 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: second in the head. 829 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I forgot about that. 830 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: So rag I think Dylan Brooks had a chance to 831 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 3: be the villain and own the villain. And I think 832 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: if he had, if it had worked out in his favorite, 833 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: he would have made a boatload of money. Like I 834 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: just feel like teams have been like, you know what, 835 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 3: we need that guy on our team to help with 836 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 3: culture and be that irritant to the best players, and 837 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: it works in his favor and it works in the 838 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 3: team's favor. It went the complete opposite way. So now 839 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 3: people are going to say, oh, we can't bring you 840 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 3: in to leave. We're not bringing you back under any circumstances. 841 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 3: So he had a chance to be the villain and 842 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: own it. He became the villain and then didn't own 843 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: it and then didn't talk to the media, and that, 844 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: right there is what turns for well. 845 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about owning it, right, I mean, 846 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: if he had sort of handled himself differently, I don't 847 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: know how other teams are going to view him. Now, 848 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: where do you see him ending up after this because 849 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: he will play next season. 850 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll play next season, but it'll just be a struggle. 851 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: It'll take a specific team that needs a very specific thing, 852 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: and it'll be probably a shorter relationship between the two 853 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: to say, you know what, you kind of have to 854 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 3: prove it here now that you can fit into what 855 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: we're doing. Because this last year, this last playoffs, I 856 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 3: should say, it's been a disaster and for him, you know, 857 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: going forward, if you're going to do something like that, 858 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: you got to stand on that and he didn't really 859 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: stay on that hill. 860 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this was a good example of how 861 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: hard it is to really play that villain role well 862 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA, right. I mean we see the guys 863 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: who do it and pull it off, but it's tough. 864 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: It's a balance, right. You have to know who to target, when, 865 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: when to run your mouth, when not to. You have 866 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: to be able to back it up, and you have 867 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: to be comfortable playing that way, and not everybody is. 868 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, who is the best sort of villain while 869 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: you were playing? 870 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 3: You feel like I think Draymond Green was a great villain. 871 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: I feel like Kevin Garnett was a great villain. To 872 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: some yeah, I loved him, He's one of my favorites ever, 873 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: but those type of guys. And to Dylan, he went 874 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: against not only all time great player, we know Lebron 875 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: where he is all time, but he went against an 876 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 3: all time fan favorite, Like so he's going against a 877 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: whole different beast, Like, so you got to do that 878 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 3: and then back it up. You can't do that and 879 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 3: then you know what you're playing, is this all time 880 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 3: great and not show up? That was just he didn't 881 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 3: show up on or off the court. Like that was 882 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: disheartening because I was like, oh, it's about to get real, like, Okay, 883 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: you're really going with this. You're saying this man is 884 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: just this and the third you're about to really go 885 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 3: at it, and it just it was disappointed. 886 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't think you can say to someone, hey, 887 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't respect until he gives me forty if the 888 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: hymn in question is the all time leading scorer in 889 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: NBA history, because he's given forty a lot. I mean 890 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: that's just happened a lot, So you can't really. 891 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 3: He doesn't excite him anymore, right, Like I got forty 892 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: thousand exactly. 893 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford, thank you so much. Everyone out there. 894 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: What's Burning is available every week on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, 895 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at show Basketball. We'll see 896 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: you soon, sir. 897 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 4: See you appreciate it. Thanks Rach