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Speaker 1: It's lines and times on the iHeartRadio Network. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: to Rob Jordan today. Rob has been a tournament fisherman

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Speaker 1: for years. He owns a custom lure company called Extreme

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Speaker 1: Lure Creations, and some of the things that he makes

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Speaker 1: are just mind blowing. I know everybody talks about like

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Speaker 1: these dice and these fuzzy balls and all these different

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Speaker 1: things that are happening in the fishing community when it

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Speaker 1: comes to bates, but sometimes really having a bait that

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Speaker 1: truly looks like the forage that they're hunting will change

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Speaker 1: the game when it comes to a tournament. When did

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Speaker 1: you start tournament fishing?

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Speaker 2: I started tournament fishing man when I was I've never

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Speaker 2: never really known anything else. I grew up in a

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Speaker 2: family it was tournament fisherman. So I fished probably my

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Speaker 2: first time when I was about five years old.

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Speaker 3: My debt and it's.

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Speaker 1: Been is that a bass club.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it was just bass tournaments back then.

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Speaker 2: I mean he fished in a bass club, but.

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Speaker 1: Like, what tournament is he signing you up in? It

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Speaker 1: was just a team deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a team deal. I just I

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Speaker 2: vividly remember that. I'd have taught to him to figure

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Speaker 2: out the year, but I'd say it was probably about

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. I remember that. What I remember about

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Speaker 2: it the most was guys, you know, older. I mean,

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Speaker 2: of course there's not many kids around, but older guys

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Speaker 3: Make you feel like, you know, you're important.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: It was cool. Was very glad to see you there,

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Speaker 3: and I remember it being real cold. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: what we caught that day.

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember if I even had hooks on

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Speaker 2: my line, to be honest with you, But it just

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Speaker 2: always been a part of my life. I don't remember

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Speaker 2: catching my first fish, and I've got a picture of

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Speaker 2: it's been a part of both sides of my business

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Speaker 2: for the whole time, catering to guys on the water

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Speaker 2: and with tackle, you know, custom tackle.

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Speaker 1: When did you start taking tournaments seriously then?

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Speaker 2: Man, it had always been something that I, you know,

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Speaker 2: say I started taking it seriously. I mean from day one,

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Speaker 2: some aspects right, but it was it was a progress.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a it was a deal where

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Speaker 2: I started fishing as a co angler, even though I

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Speaker 2: had I had a small boat when I was sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it used to piece of junk, but it

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Speaker 1: I bet there's plenty of bass I got caught out

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Speaker 1: of Oh my gosh, man, A lot of stories and

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Speaker 2: But started fishing tournaments at sixteen on my own, but

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Speaker 2: fish tournaments at places like Lanier, places like Black Cheer

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Speaker 2: Seminole you follow, and even some down in South Georgia

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Speaker 3: That was very much where the early years started.

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Speaker 2: Then worked into a season as a BFL co angler

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Speaker 2: that was like mandatory, mandatory rule amongst the elders of

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Speaker 2: And at the time, you know, I'm like, and I

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Speaker 2: But you don't know about all the other moving parts,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could go a mile long there.

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Speaker 2: But also, and it's something that I get to preach

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Speaker 2: What some would say to be twice a size as

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: No various factors come into there. But being sixteen seventeen

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Speaker 1: You brought up some of the factors that you think

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Speaker 1: That's I hadn't seen in years. Yeah, and I do

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Speaker 1: wonder if fishing Actually I don't even wonder this. I

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Speaker 1: Now, that's if you're buying everything completely at the price

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Speaker 3: Not a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: Not a whole lot even for the top to your guys,

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Speaker 1: So that's why I think when the sponsorship comes up,

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Speaker 1: For me, I've always looked at it as tell me

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Speaker 1: I saw your post. I immediately shared on their The

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Speaker 1: up with social media. It's wild to me how many

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, y'all grew up with this. But then

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Speaker 1: that's right. But I love like when and I've been

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent man, and just a better guy in

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Speaker 2: general if you really want to get to it, man,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you learn. And there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 2: You know, you see a mistake or something firsthand, just

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Speaker 2: the water. That could be the fish changing, the weather

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Speaker 2: So I don't ever like and even as a guide,

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Speaker 2: I like to if you ever hear me say that

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Speaker 1: You're spending time on the water on that lake. Sure,

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Speaker 1: So what's harder to do? Catch a good limit in

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Speaker 1: a three day tournament? Every day?

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Speaker 1: I've had some guys on here who have shared it's

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Speaker 1: Typically linear for your tournament, isn't it. You want four

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Speaker 2: Oh man, there's tons of them. I was actually talking

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Speaker 2: There's different obligations in tournaments, you know. Sometimes we're trying

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Speaker 1: That's an expectation thing though, right Like if you have

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Speaker 3: To me?

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Speaker 2: But there's to me, there's always different things that that

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Speaker 1: They are you talking about straining and neither are people right.

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Speaker 2: Now, none of us nothing is the same. The exact same.

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Speaker 2: coming up, and they'll kind of do different things, but

440
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 2: they'll get in groups that are you know, four pounders,

441
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 2: four or five pounders.

442
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 3: A's bigger groups.

443
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: So if you're out fishing one day, combination is what

444
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: I was getting at. But if you're out fishing on

445
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Linear one day and you're sitting on a hole, you

446
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: look on your forward facing and they're just all over

447
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: the place, and you start catching and it's two pound

448
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: or two pounds or two pounder or two pounds already gone.

449
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 1: The idea is there aren't any big fish that are

450
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: hanging out in there, so you're wasting your time.

451
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: Oh there may be big fish there, but they're they're

452
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,719
Speaker 2: literally like it's it's it's wild, man. It's a lot

453
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: of stuff that I have research and have the videos

454
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: to show this, but it's something that I know that

455
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: I myself have to be free to speak on that

456
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: because some of the stuff that it shows is very,

457
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: very insightful. They are and you can see it now

458
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: with ford skin too. Other guys can kind of see this,

459
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 2: and we have these kind conversations a lot, just not

460
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: on air.

461
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 3: On video.

462
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: They will be watching those two pounders eat it like

463
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 2: just like we might watch a younger version of ourselves

464
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: make a mistake or something like that. They do and

465
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 2: if you look at them forward facing, forward facing shows

466
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: us that because we can with a dialed in system,

467
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: you can see the size differences in the fish. Now,

468
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: a lot of guys are mindful of that before they

469
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: ever make their cast, which is important. If we see

470
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: a bunch over here, man, it looks too good to

471
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: be true, but we know we need to catch four pounders. Hey,

472
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: we might look, oh, what are those over there? You

473
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: can visually see that they're a little bit bigger in size. Now,

474
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: that's not just unique to the near We see that

475
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: in other guy the tournaments. Guys are looking for this

476
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: bigger fish. Texas and places like that obviously, you know

477
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: come to mind because of the sheer size of them.

478
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: But if you're looking at places like spotted bass lakes

479
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: or small mouth lakes where the fish maybe they don't

480
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: get to be ten or twelve pounds, excluding a you know,

481
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 2: freak larsma. But we're looking the difference between those twos

482
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: fours maybe five plus pounder. You can on the right conditions,

483
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: in the right system, you can one hundred percent tell

484
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: which ones you might want to make that first cast at,

485
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: because a place like goes back to we're talking about

486
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: preparing for spotted bass. Spotted bass generally. I always say

487
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: this in the boat. I said, there's never been a

488
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: spotted bass in the history of spotted bass. There's ever

489
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: been by himself ever, you know. And so somebody might say, well,

490
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: that's not true with forward face, and pretty well backs

491
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: that up.

492
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: They are a pack.

493
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: Even if you're cruising down the bank, there's usually a

494
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: couple that are there, and you see him when you

495
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: pull them out of brush pile.

496
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: As they wolf pack like crazy all the time, there's

497
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: always a buddy there. And if the buddy, one buddy

498
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: gets even if if he's kind.

499
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: Of wandering, you know, a little bit away.

500
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: If he gets excited, that whole group will, I mean

501
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: come over there and see what's going on. And a

502
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: lot of times that's why the fish get caught on

503
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: a lake like Lindier. I was talking about this with

504
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: a good friend last night. I said, he's he's uh,

505
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: he's got some high school anglers and we're just talking

506
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: about things that we fished together for years, and he's

507
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: kind of got back into it because of his son

508
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: getting into school and high school fishing, which I love that.

509
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: We were talking.

510
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: About just spotted bass behavior by nature, I said, I

511
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: said this. I say this all the time. Have you

512
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: ever seen a spot of bass in that lake look

513
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: like he was hungry? You know, people think and they're

514
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: like short of some rare scenario or the one that's sick.

515
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: It's like no, It's like, well, then that right there

516
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: tells me he does not need to eat your bait

517
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: in order to sustain. He's he's good most of the time.

518
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Especially if we were a fish up there right now.

519
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: They look like a balloon like dang near all of them,

520
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: even a shallower fish. Or there's two distinct different groups

521
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: of spotted bass in that lake, where there's more bank

522
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: oriented fish and there's more pelegic fish. Generally speaking, one

523
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: of them is the colorations of slight they're spotted bass,

524
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: but they're you know, you see them, there's big long ones,

525
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: they can get to.

526
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: Be four or five pounds too.

527
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: And then you got those short, really fat torpedo looking

528
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, things live out into.

529
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: The lake, those stuff like that.

530
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: But when you look at them at an older age class,

531
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: they are as different as different can be. They're spotted bass,

532
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: but we see that with large mouths too, say with

533
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: any other animal or anything else. But the I tell

534
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: I tell guys that just to help kind of plant

535
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: that that seed of thought to say, hey, how I

536
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: approach this in regards to I want to make sure

537
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: those fish are competing for my bait. And that goes

538
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: back to your original question. We're talking about how a

539
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: guy might prepare for that. He's like, he's looking for

540
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: places that are going to fit the bill for what

541
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: he is, the size fish he's trying to catch.

542
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: He's looking for those groups of fish.

543
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: He's looking for the places that groups of fish are

544
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: tending to gravitate to, whether that be suspended bait, whether

545
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: that be a rock pile, a brush pile, or whatever

546
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: else it is. He wants to find a number of places.

547
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a great way to put it. He

548
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: wants to find a number of places in an area

549
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: to be able to catch him, because generally speaking, spotted bass,

550
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: we're not catching that bag off of the same spot.

551
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: Now different times a year. That may change a little bit,

552
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: different tournament formats and different you know, things like that,

553
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: different lakes certainly, But let's just say across the board,

554
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: it's going to take you a handful of places to

555
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: get that bag of five fish. Spots that you are

556
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: spotted bass five fish that you want. They might be

557
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: inside of each other, they might be stretched out across

558
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: the lake. It may be the same place several different

559
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: times throughout the day.

560
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: So is your general that Let's say you find a

561
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: school on a brush pile, you catch two out of.

562
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: That, You're lucky, okay, right.

563
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm I've always been with lanear. It's like you're

564
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: pretty much one and done. But let's say that you

565
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: catch one there. Are you just looking for another brush

566
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: pile that could be one hundred yards away because you

567
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: know that there's fish in that area, you just haven't

568
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: fired on that brush pile, or are you looking for

569
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: something completely similar just in a different part of the way.

570
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: You can have that scenario.

571
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: You can have that scenario where it could be just

572
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: something just right over there, because they will kind of

573
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: hop especially now it's noticeable very much so in the

574
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: last few years they will. They get trained too, just

575
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: like we do. We learn different things. They learn things,

576
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: especially the older ones. It's not nothing big surprise there.

577
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: You chase, you chase big deer around they get smart,

578
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: or any other animal they get they'll pivot around. If

579
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: the boat is around them. Sometimes they might use the

580
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: boat as well. It's documented stuff too. They will use

581
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: the boat to their advantage in certain windows. So to

582
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: your to your question, if there's a lot of herring

583
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: present and all the boxes are getting checked, you're catching

584
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: four or five pounder on a brush pile, yes, I

585
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: am looking for the next best closed thing right over there.

586
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: Other times a year they will use those brush piles

587
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: as an ambush place. I don't really hang out on them,

588
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: and I'm speaking on those. Say the warmer months colder months,

589
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: they'll hold to brush.

590
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: A little bit more.

591
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, July, Yeah, they're gonna be out and about. Man,

592
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: they're just like swing by. It's like a checking the

593
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: deer stand or something. They'll pull up, sit there for

594
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: a little while to see what's happening, wait for a scenario,

595
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: and then then go. They don't big spots do not onlinear.

596
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: They do not typically go out. That stuff you see

597
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: slapping and popping the water is not one fish. They

598
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: work in a pack. They hunt in groups, like a

599
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: pack of coyotes or anything else.

600
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: They do not just like strike out and go.

601
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: Uh maybe two of them, maybe four, maybe twenty, but

602
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: there's always a team work. And having years of documented

603
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: top water video and stuff like that, watching it slow motion,

604
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: it literally presents an unreal clear trend as to how

605
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: crafty and how slick they are, Like they're not they are,

606
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: they're they're wild man Like they'll one of them shoot

607
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: up and kind of block one in and then bam,

608
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean, the other one's already on it. It's cool

609
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: to watch it. Emotion is in real time. You're just like,

610
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: I got one. That was cool, But you don't get

611
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: to see the actual like how that all went down.

612
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: The top water biit onlinear with forward facing is sick.

613
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: Being able to watch a fish torpedo your bait from

614
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: thirty five feet below and you just watch them beline

615
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: it all the way up and blast your bait. I know,

616
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: guys love the jig bite and they love the frog bite.

617
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat the top water bite on onlinear.

618
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, man, it's world class. I mean that

619
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: is primarily as years went on. It kind of shifted

620
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: throughout the years, but that's primarily what my entire guide is.

621
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: Business has been built on. This guy is top water

622
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: and swim bait fishing. Like chasing that strike all day.

623
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: It's like, forget everything else. I can take go back

624
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: this backstep a little bit. I can take a large

625
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: amount of guy from anywhere in the world.

626
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: He get it.

627
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: He get into that. Now when we're talking about super

628
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: finesse stuff.

629
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I.

630
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Do fish a lot of guys that they they are

631
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: intentionally coming on a series of trips or or a

632
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: full day trip to force themselves to learn out of

633
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: their comfort zone. Which I love that too, But it

634
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: takes a little while to get him comfortable with drop

635
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: shot or finesse scope, whatever kind of technique.

636
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: It may be, light line, deep water, long cast.

637
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I got a buddy of mine, I got to get

638
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: over to linear because he's a big finesse guy. Loves

639
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: a drop shot.

640
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: Oh it's world class play.

641
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: He loves that I mean he he even tells people here,

642
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: He's like, Man, if guys knew about drop shotting and

643
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: they really knew how to study it and put it

644
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: into practice, more, you'd see much bigger fish getting caught

645
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: up shallow than.

646
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: You really are. A deadly technique up show.

647
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's all in on that. I want

648
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: to stick on the forward facing sonar thing because we

649
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: were talking about the size of dots when you look

650
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: at your forward facing What makes a lot of these

651
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: younger scopers good that a lot of people don't realize

652
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: is they're not looking for a school of fish. They're

653
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: looking for the biggest one out of the school, and

654
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: then they follow it. And if you watch bass Master,

655
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: you would have seen Trey McKinney a couple of years

656
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: ago catch one, I mean, is a good fish like

657
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: six seven pounds or something like that on a jerk bait.

658
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: He breaks the jerk bait off, he kept his forward

659
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: facing unit on that dot, followed it, and then a

660
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: couple hours later caught that same fish again on a

661
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: jerk bait and got his jerk bait back. That's what

662
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: makes these dudes so good at ford facing sonar is

663
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: they are literally tracking the biggest fish that they can find,

664
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: and that's the goal of the tournament is find the

665
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: five biggest fish and win the tournament.

666
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: That's really all it comes down to, man. I But the.

667
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: Skill that goes in it is completely different than what

668
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people say on this well that too.

669
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: But the two games, the game that I grew up

670
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: playing in the game that you're describing are not comparable.

671
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Now we're in and the and I think that's becoming

672
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more commonly discussed in this space. It's

673
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: not that necessarily that somebody it gets perceived as people

674
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of keyboards talk.

675
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, video game fishing and all that stuff.

676
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: From a professional video game fisherman over here that you're

677
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: talking to, I prefer an instinctive style of tournament fishing

678
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: at the highest level, but.

679
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: It has no effect.

680
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: I also build bates and help teach and have taught

681
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: some of the guys that are that are doing that

682
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: and support them fully one hundred percent.

683
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: So at the highest level, what do you say would

684
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: be the best.

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: Format without no doubt?

686
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: Now, now that's but that that's to say that comment

687
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: without a two hour, full depth explanation.

688
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: I think is invites a little bit of all.

689
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: Right, so do you believe kind of what I believe,

690
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: which is you should be able to use every tool

691
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: in resource given to you, allowed to you in practice, correct,

692
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: but then come tournament.

693
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: It's the same as any other real sports. We can

694
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: go bat and care as head off teaser we're having

695
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: a slump. We can do all the tools and the

696
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: research and the studying, but when it comes down to

697
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: play the game, we reduce that. And now there's a

698
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: like I said, that's a two hour explanation itself, because

699
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: it well, there's a lot. It builds better young men,

700
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: builds better old men. It provides a place where everybody

701
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: can get together. It provides a place that isn't quite

702
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: as it's still expensive to play, but it presents a

703
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: place to where I was a.

704
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: Young guy who.

705
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: I was, you know kind of let's say, had a

706
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: good family, but I didn't have when I was sixteen,

707
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: eighteen twenty, I didn't even get a twenty one foot

708
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: boat until and I worked in fishing. That's all I've

709
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: ever told be forty this year, I didn't get a

710
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: I've had two new boats in my life, worked in

711
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: the industry, but I fished with guys that are seventeen eighteen,

712
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: that have brand new boats. I don't have no problem

713
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: with that. If they have that opportunity, I'm all about it.

714
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: But when I know what it's like to be a

715
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: young man fishing in the two thousand dollars boat, he doesn't.

716
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: And I see this, I hear this.

717
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: This is not just my titlement goes away.

718
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: That's he doesn't have the opportunity to realistically go play

719
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: with him. That bothers me. I like to see a

720
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: place where everybody can get together. That's that's really what

721
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: that's all about.

722
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: So I've said to people before that I think the

723
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: best layout for professional tournament fishing would be use every

724
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: tool given to you in practice. Come tournament time, all

725
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: you get is your boat in a map.

726
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: I agree, man, and man, I'm over here about to

727
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: jump out of my chair.

728
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: And I've had guys on the professional level I go,

729
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Listen if it.

730
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: Comes back to some positions that are there too.

731
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: If you could set a dot on your map and

732
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: you can say, yesterday, I saw a bunch of five

733
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: pounders here, and you go out and you make casts

734
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: and you apply the things that you learn late lake.

735
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: I finished sixteenth in a BFL. Now I am not

736
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: a stud fisherman. That was a great tournament fisherman fishing

737
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: finished for me. It was a wonderful fishing day. I

738
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: found a spot in practice with ford facing sonar where

739
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I saw tons of fish. I cast on them twice.

740
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: I caught a good one and I said, I'm giving

741
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: that spot up. I'm going to go try to find

742
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: something else. This is all in practice. When I came

743
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: back in the tournament. In the new MLF rules, you're

744
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: allowed to use ford facing sonar for a continuous three

745
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: hour section of the day. So if you turn it

746
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: on at seven, it's off at ten, if you turn

747
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: it on at ten thirty, it's off at one thirty,

748
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: so the three hours is continuous. I said to myself,

749
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch the most fish early in the morning,

750
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: when they're feeding the most. That's what I'm going to

751
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: use ford facing. When it got down to my three hours,

752
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I had already applied that I'm going to count the

753
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: same exact glure down that I'm watching on ford facing.

754
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to count it down one Mississippi, two Mississippi,

755
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: and whatever that number is remember that, because when the

756
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: unit goes off, I'm going to make that same cast.

757
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe the amount of fish I caught that

758
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: day on a the gig had meno without the unit

759
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: being on, solely because I applied something that I forced

760
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: myself to know.

761
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: Love that.

762
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: So if you're a pro, I feel like in the

763
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: pro ranks, you should be able to go out there

764
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: and find them. That's the biggest thing is find them.

765
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: We want good TV, we want good entertainment. You find

766
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: the fish, use every tool possible. But then when the

767
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: actual tournament's on, you get a map card. Make sure

768
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: your dots are good and you know.

769
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: What they're I wish the only thing that I would

770
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: add to that, and I'm over here, guys, I'm over

771
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: here just about jump out of my seat. I love

772
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: it so much because that conversation has had a lot

773
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: and I know one thing does get really gets out

774
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: of source. People say everybody in Fisherman wants to speak

775
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: on what's in their best interest, and I know that

776
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: we all can do that at different times, and I

777
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: know that there is a lot of that, but I

778
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: know that it also irritates the crap out of me

779
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: because I come at that stance and I know others too,

780
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: where it's like, that's not my take on it. It's

781
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: like what's best for everybody, the fish, the nature's environment,

782
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: the people, the indus, tree, the sponsors, the all the things.

783
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: Right, it all kind of goes full circle. And I

784
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: think about that, but.

785
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: It it's no different. Like I said, it's no different

786
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: anything else.

787
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: It's like a sport.

788
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Let's just use baseball for example, which I don't like

789
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: comparing outdoor sports to sticking ball sports. They're not the same.

790
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: We are responsible, we purchase a hunter fishing license and

791
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: looking after what's the best interest for the outdoors, and

792
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: we are the caretakers of the fish of the wild animals.

793
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I say, what you really believe the best process would

794
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: be in fishing what you just said, and maybe just

795
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: a little number that says how deep it is, just

796
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: so we don't run our boats straightlos show.

797
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: I'd be fine with that's the only thing that I

798
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: want to take, and I would add to it because

799
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: I would not I would. I would go as far

800
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: to say that even taking two D away would only

801
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: benefit the entire space. They're two D. Two D is

802
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: very useful as well. It still does provide a little

803
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: bit of a barrier there.

804
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing how much technology has pushed away from some

805
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: of those things though, Oh for sure, because like when

806
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: t when two D came out, people are like this

807
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: game changing. I mean that's when you could just you know,

808
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: drop a line straight down, just stroll right over top

809
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: of their head.

810
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: And I spent a lot of my time the era

811
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: there was really being advanced in that in those techniques

812
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: side scan, structure, scanned, down scan as well, and then

813
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: obviously when Ford scan came along. Uh been a part

814
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: of that that program since early on. But the and

815
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: where it goes from beyond that is is incredible as well.

816
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: And that's something that uh, it's it's important to to

817
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: uh what what you just said, man is is is

818
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: hugely important with for the for the space, for the

819
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: industry overall. I know right now there's a lot of

820
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: conversation because the truth of the matter is this is

821
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: seen differently because the lakes in the regions themselves are

822
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: soon different. I talked to friends in the north, Northeast, Midwest,

823
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: out west. When you actually talk to them on the

824
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: phone or you get the chance to catch up with

825
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: them quickly.

826
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: They're like, I didn't think of that.

827
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: It's like, man, we live outside of Birmingham, outside of Atlanta,

828
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: outside of this that whatever, there's potentially given the tournaments

829
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: that are going on, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

830
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: people in the body water at the right time of year.

831
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Now we all, Buddy, I was just on Lake Jordan.

832
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: It's fourteen miles long. Fourteen miles long. There were two

833
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five boats, Yeah, four and fifty.

834
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: When we have.

835
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: Access to the level of information technology and all the

836
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: things that we have now, it's going to put naturally,

837
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: it condenses guys down certain a certain times, especially seasonally.

838
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: Let's say a lake just usually linear for example, it

839
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: might be thirty six thousand acres, but at certain times

840
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: a year, we're talking about two hundred and three hundred

841
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: guys fishing at eight hundred or six thousand, eight thousand

842
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: acre lake. Given the location of where the tournament caliber

843
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: fish are at, we see a lot of conversations about

844
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: issues on the water. People just button heads. You're gonna

845
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: have a little bit of that. It's just nature of

846
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: the game. Nature getting guys together in a competitive format.

847
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 2: But when we've got four or five six boats trying

848
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: to jockey around in the same place all the time.

849
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: That's not helping the whole scene because a lot of

850
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: guys they go to the outdoors, guys that might not

851
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: fish but they're a member, might not fish the same

852
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: tournaments that maybe you and I might have interest in,

853
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: but there still are a part of our community at

854
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: the bass fish community. They seek that the piece, the

855
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: connection with nature, regardless of technology. A lot a lot

856
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: of those guys are just kind of middle road. They

857
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: got it, you know, but they're not actively out there

858
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: trying to chase one for half of them while they're

859
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: just using as a reference catch some thing. It's cool,

860
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: But when they can't get out there and there's six

861
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: seven tournament guys all running around on top of each other,

862
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, it just creates a little bit of a

863
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: scenario to where not a little bit has definitely created

864
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: one to where they just start retracting back from it

865
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: because it is a lot of you know, headbudding. I know,

866
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: people can't see me here by'm banging my fans together.

867
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Have you fished a BFL or an MLF event outside

868
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: of the Toyota series recently?

869
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: Uh, no, So I fished. I fished, I participated.

870
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: I didn't fish them to the same rate that I

871
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: would I did in the past, but I participated in two.

872
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 3: The last two that I participated.

873
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: In would have been I could go look on the internet,

874
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: but it would have been like twenty one twenty two.

875
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: I hopped in the new rules.

876
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's, uh, what do.

877
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: You think about co anglers being allowed a forward facing

878
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: unit that's.

879
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: For well, I would, I'm not, I can't do that,

880
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: but the I.

881
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: Have a friend of mine who shared with me.

882
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: He goes.

883
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest form of cheating that's out

884
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: there because not every guy has it, not every guy

885
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: will be equipped with it. Sure, and I'm like, I

886
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: get that, I understand.

887
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: You know.

888
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Obviously boaters don't love it because they don't want anything

889
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: to damage their boat or interfere.

890
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: With it signal wise.

891
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean on my boat, I mean I operate a

892
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: very advanced system with multiple system most multiple units on it,

893
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: primarily for teaching. I have never used it in competition

894
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: because of my feelings about the h I have used

895
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: forward facing a competition early on, but I'm talking about

896
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: the boat set up system that I have Now it's

897
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: primarily used for research, for teaching, for uh lure development

898
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: and being able to document.

899
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Are you getting get back into the tournament scene?

900
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: I would love to, but I had I knew, not

901
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: that I was a psychic are anything. I'm just a

902
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: bass fisherman, dude. But you know, it's like I knew

903
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: that this was going to take a turn, it was

904
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: going to have to run its course and hopefully we

905
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: could all.

906
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Come out of it better. But by the time being, so.

907
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: What are you saying is taking a turn? What's got

908
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: to run its course? And how do we look coming

909
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: out of there?

910
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: This was I mean, being the lake in the in

911
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: the in the specific niche of the industry where I

912
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: spent most of my time being lately near Georgia Electronics

913
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: capital late Lanear drop Shot, the spotted bast thing that

914
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: we've talked about. Uh, it was an electronics based fishery.

915
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Myself being worked in the electronics arena there from ad

916
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: campaigns and stuff like that early on to just day

917
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: to day teaching guys in the water. It was easy

918
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: to see that once the technology that we were seeing

919
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: be developed, that linear hit the mainstream.

920
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: Speak back on a date here, just to give everybody

921
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: a time frame.

922
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Talking in that sixteen seventeen eighteen time frame, when you

923
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: start to see those early like this is okay, you

924
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: know forward so onar we were already been you know,

925
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: modifying or just trying to see what how we could

926
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: do more with the electronics that we had at that time.

927
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: So are you saying that you stopped tournament fishing because

928
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: you saw that electronics were going to start to dominate?

929
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: No?

930
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: No, no, that that conversation would be a lot different.

931
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: But it primarily goes back to that the this is

932
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: my job, you could see and you nailed it earlier.

933
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: If I'm guiding full time on a premier body water

934
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: with a very established client base and guiding full time

935
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: and I've already lived, this is not like a theory.

936
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: Tournament fishing or just being able to fish was always

937
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: my goal. Tournament fishing was the thing. But I had

938
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 2: to come back and say fishing. I want to fish.

939
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: That's always been my dream, my goal, and if I

940
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: don't adjust to the current environment or just strategy there,

941
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to do that. Because

942
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: even with a even with a full schedule, as a

943
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: higher priced guide as a guy. Have people come from

944
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: different parts of the country to fish top waters and stuff.

945
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: I mean even next week I start for the year.

946
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: I just work in kind of windows now, operating the

947
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: other business with looters, guys coming in from New Jersey,

948
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: people coming from different places. I do less volume of

949
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: trips now get a little bit older. Equipment can only

950
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: handle so much. And I was spent many years, didn't

951
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: always know this at the time, but I can speak

952
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: on a lot better now. Burning that candle at both

953
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: ends and trying to compete with a boat and the

954
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: boat's falling apart and the trucks fall you know what

955
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: I mean, all these different things.

956
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: It's a whack a mole game. And that's just life, right.

957
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: But when you see that from the actual dollars and

958
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: cents of hey, this is my job, and if I

959
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: don't I here's here's give every ady kind of a reference.

960
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: Here in twenty eighteen, it had the opportunity to fish

961
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 2: at the at the pro level boat system set up

962
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: at that period of time. Some deals, some things, but

963
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: still a new boat system. Now, it was a smaller

964
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: boat than what most guys are run. I'm talking a

965
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: five to nineteen ranger with a two twenty five electronic system,

966
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: and all your standard competing accessories that a guy would

967
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: be using in that period of time is half the

968
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: price of what it is in current time, current day.

969
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: So you just saw that the bubble of the fishing

970
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: was understanding. Two.

971
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: I could guide every single day at the daggum year

972
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: that I was physically able to with reasonable rest and

973
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: very little at that. But you couldn't afford to live

974
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: and buy that boat every time, right, I mean it was,

975
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: or maintain your equipment.

976
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: Or see a path out of that.

977
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: Right, knowing that things are going to retract, as said

978
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: for mats and things start taking place. It did not

979
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: take a rocket scientist to see that that was going

980
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: to create some retraction as a whole in the sport

981
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: or the economy coming up.

982
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Now.

983
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: I'm not, like I said, nobody no means of a

984
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 3: fortune teller.

985
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: But in one little snip of my one little part

986
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: of my life, I was a hired fortune teller. I

987
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: had to go out there and tell you where to

988
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: throw without seeing it. When we joke around, I joke

989
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: around writing about it, we're talking with others, it's like

990
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: you're a ghost hunter. Man Like from my whole career

991
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: up until let's say, the past five six years.

992
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: I had to have a pretty good dang idea. They

993
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: were there for you, and I had to tell you where.

994
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: To throw or else.

995
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: I went and had a job very long.

996
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of experience, a lot of repetitions

997
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: what it took to be able to find that, A

998
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: lot of time on the water, and guys say this

999
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: now in podcasts, I'll listen to a few few buddies

1000
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: and stuff. People did not share. The information that they

1001
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: did is shared in current time. Variety of reasons there.

1002
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: It just it was a different write of passage, different

1003
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: period of time, air, all the way around. And that's

1004
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: just not only in bass fishing. That's also in the outdoors.

1005
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 2: People were sharing information. But I'm talking about the numbers

1006
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: and myself, I've shared a ton of i mean, fifteen

1007
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: years of content of information that's very beneficial.

1008
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: The information they don't share.

1009
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: There's a lot of it, are you now.

1010
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: The information that they don't share is getting your swim

1011
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: baits from extreme lower creations.

1012
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: That's hard to do.

1013
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: But let me tell you why. Guys will go to

1014
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: linear and they will buy their stuff from tackle warehouse,

1015
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, man, I'm going to go out

1016
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: and smash them. Having custom bait makers like what you

1017
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: do with the extreme lower creations. If guys realized how

1018
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: many more fish and how better quality fish they catch

1019
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: with your swim baits and the stuff that you make,

1020
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: they'd buy those handover fists compared to the stuff that

1021
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: they fight at Walmart or wherever.

1022
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: And they do at times so much so that you

1023
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: can make you make you create a scenario where you

1024
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: don't get to go fishing too much.

1025
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: That's a real thing.

1026
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: They could be. What's the thing about hobbies that are like,

1027
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: don't get a job in your.

1028
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: Hobby and you can hear you.

1029
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: I know, if there's some old time bait builders, man,

1030
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: hopefully they'll get a chance to hear this. If they do,

1031
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: they will, they would they would say. There's always been

1032
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: two choices and it when it comes to the fishing

1033
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: industry from work. You can either work in it like

1034
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: in the industry side, whether that be sales, manufacturing, content,

1035
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: all those different things. Content maybe is a little not

1036
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: not accurate, remove that part.

1037
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: Or you can be on the water. You can either

1038
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: be in it.

1039
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: You get two choices now, there is some cross over there,

1040
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: myself being one and there's a lot of other guys.

1041
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: Certainly things have adapted or changed. People have adapted and

1042
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: things have changed over time. But you could either work

1043
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: in that or you can work in the other. But

1044
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: primarily that's what Extremely Creations has catered to for the

1045
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: whole entire time is competitive angler. And it is very

1046
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: important in our conversation that we were having because what

1047
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: a guy might look and say, well, why are you

1048
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: saying this? Where are you just coming from? Well, that

1049
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: business that I had is primarily only been catered to

1050
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: designing base or creating tackle custom tackle for tournament anglers

1051
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: from the club guy to the top tier for nearly

1052
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: twenty years now, off and on at different times. But

1053
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: in recent years, as I started that shot in a

1054
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: production shop, the sales data, the information that I'm hearing

1055
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: from the customer on the day dabasis. Most of the

1056
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: guys that were buying stuff or I don't even like

1057
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: the term. I mean, I say upper tier tournament anglers.

1058
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: That just means they're willing to spend more money. But

1059
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: because some of the best guys you ever meet fishing

1060
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: might not want to wish to.

1061
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: Try and you know that there's a tournament coming to

1062
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: like heartwell next year. They just announced that the Classics

1063
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: is going to be there for bass Master. Do you

1064
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: find a lot of bass Master elites will call you

1065
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: and go, hey, I need some stuff?

1066
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: Well that's uh, it's been an interesting thing because now

1067
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: guys are able to talk a little bit more. In

1068
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: the last two or three years, we wouldn't necessarily talk

1069
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: and because I mean myself connected in other places. It's like,

1070
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: I know the rules and we always follow the rules.

1071
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: I'm adamant about that one hundred percent. But we don't

1072
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: even want to give in the current the environment that

1073
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: we saw over the last couple of years, don't want

1074
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: to open those doors up to even maybe have a

1075
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: slip of being like correct pattern or something. It's like

1076
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 2: and the guys that are buying the stuff, generally speaking,

1077
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 2: are the guys that have to watch what they're doing

1078
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: to the tea. Not to say that everybody doesn't, but

1079
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: you know.

1080
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean they are guys.

1081
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: They're they're really looking to to try to win that

1082
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: tournament or try to or try to do well. And uh,

1083
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: that was primarily what the customer base was. I mean,

1084
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: there was uh that that UH and lower companies, and

1085
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: that also started to present really clear data to take

1086
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: take with that company. It gave an extra early glimpse

1087
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: into what we were gonna see coming. So when I

1088
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: say I'm not a fortune teller in that aspect, it's like, yeah,

1089
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: but I did have a chart that laid it out

1090
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: to you.

1091
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: I can show you and go, oh, yeah, you can

1092
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: see exactly.

1093
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Whenever you get data, it's always good because then

1094
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: you can go back and reflect on you.

1095
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: And look at it and see like the trend that

1096
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: that sure tackle and hot baits are going to change.

1097
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: But when you could see the customer base shift drastically

1098
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm talking about and and it goes full circle to

1099
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: while I'm sitting here today, you can see that I

1100
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: was I was generally used to catering to or or

1101
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: dealing with a guy that had logged a few miles,

1102
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: logged a few days whatever that is just life dollars,

1103
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: tournament fishing experience, whatever that is. To all of a sudden,

1104
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: those guys are not fishing that much anymore. They're they're

1105
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: not purchasing as much tackle when they don't need to

1106
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: purchase the tackle. Okay, that's finest business. We've got to

1107
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: adjust strategy there. But you saw an influx of you know,

1108
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: of what what we originally were talking about. That it

1109
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: hits me kind of on a different level because for

1110
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: a good block of time I spent a lot of

1111
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: my time on the water with high school anglers, high

1112
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: school dats. Go speak to groups about that something I'm

1113
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: passionate about because, like I was telling you earlier, I've

1114
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: been that guy coming up through trying to find a

1115
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: way to navigate and and I know what it's like

1116
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 2: when people might not give you some of the information

1117
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: that you need. We're not talking about just how to

1118
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: catch a bass. I'm talking about just how to navigate

1119
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: that space. Like it really hits.

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00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: On the business.

1121
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just hey, if you're hell been on making

1122
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: this work, let me share with you some things that

1123
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: I do know to maybe help you navigate some challenges

1124
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: better that a younger version of me ran straight into the.

1125
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: Head to the wall with.

1126
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: I'd love to see you be successful because ultimately, the

1127
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: way that I feel about the fishing and the outdoors

1128
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: is this our job.

1129
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: To build up a.

1130
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, a better group behind us your mind because

1131
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: we are that is our responsibility for the outdoors and

1132
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: that has been a hot topic as of late as well,

1133
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: that instead of just trying to sell you a quick pass,

1134
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: it can be like it can turn into a wrecking

1135
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: ball for wildleye populations, for the industries, for the communities,

1136
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: for things like that, and that we as at the

1137
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: outdoors space as a whole. Fishing it is a home

1138
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: to some awesome freaking individuals. I mean like second to

1139
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: none just across the board, guys that have interests from

1140
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: all different backgrounds. But like the nature and fishing, the

1141
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: camaraderie that comes around it, the challenge that comes around

1142
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: comes around that is is an incredible space to be

1143
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: in and and then just to see it's just it

1144
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: should be carefully navigated. I think it is clear to everybody,

1145
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: regardless of their stance on one little thing or the other,

1146
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: that we could do better as a group. I raised

1147
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: my hand to first say that we could do, we

1148
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: could make and I feel like we are making some improvements.

1149
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: I think that with the tournament format like you're talking about,

1150
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 2: they're testing that, see how that works.

1151
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 3: THEE.

1152
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I love THEE what we have now with the three

1153
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: high levels, so you have some options. Yeah, let's go

1154
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: with the bass Master elites MLF BPT Tour and MPFL.

1155
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: MPFL knew that they had to make a drastic change

1156
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: because they were the last one to the bowl.

1157
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: Seemed to be working great.

1158
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: So they said, you know what, we're going to go

1159
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: no forward facing so onar and there's a lot of

1160
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: pros that are going over the MPFL fishing both whatever

1161
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: MLF or or bass Master that they were doing, but

1162
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: they're also fishing. MPFL smart on their end to make

1163
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: those decisions. MLF jumping in first and saying, all right,

1164
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: we're going to do a period by period. It fits

1165
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: our format. You can choose what you want to use.

1166
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: We have it noted in the corner of their production

1167
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: value of how they lay out a tournament for visual

1168
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: watching ten times better than what you see on the

1169
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: other ones. And then you have bass Master who came

1170
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: to the table last, which is so weird because they

1171
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: should be the leader, right because they have the heritage

1172
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: and everything. They came to the page last and basically

1173
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: just said all right, well, we're gonna flip a coin

1174
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: and we'll choose which legs you can use it and

1175
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: which ones you can't. So it's one hundred percent for

1176
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: that day one percent, one hundred percent off. I like

1177
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: that there's a varying level of being able to use it.

1178
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: But ultimately, at the end of the day, if we're

1179
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: trying to prove who the best fishermen are, my feeling,

1180
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're feeling, and a lot of other

1181
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: people's feeling is go out and find the fish. We

1182
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: still want to see catches, find out what they're reacting

1183
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: to with debate, find out if they're in that area,

1184
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: if there's a big school or fits one or two.

1185
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: And then during the tournament, all eggs are in the

1186
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: basket of the decision that you make and let's go

1187
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: make some good TV and let's see who wins one

1188
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: hundred grand hundred percent. Man. You know what else?

1189
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: It would just add to that that fishing in the

1190
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: fishing in that format that we were our imaginary format

1191
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: that we would put put forth if it was dispenser

1192
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: Rob's suggestion something. But the thing that is so important, man,

1193
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: and I hope that other I know guys in the

1194
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: industry understand this, but I want others to understand this

1195
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: that when we have fishing tournaments that we've known it

1196
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: no No, there is when you have more diversity in

1197
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: the way that an angler might settle up and decide

1198
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: he's going to fish his day. He might be a

1199
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: jerk bait or a minnow in his pocket. The other

1200
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: guy's going to chatterbait docs. This guy over here is

1201
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: going to be flipping. One guy's fishing deep, one guy's fishing.

1202
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: Up the river.

1203
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: Well, here's the bigger picture to that, more fans, more

1204
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: followers across the board, across the country. They have a

1205
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: quote character or quote somebody they can relate to, because

1206
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that this.

1207
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: Is usually important.

1208
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: Are you saying that we should have tournaments that you

1209
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: have to go technique specific for the tournament.

1210
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's that would be cool. But no, what I'm

1211
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: saying when we have reduced technology format whatever that is,

1212
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: it allows guys to space.

1213
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: Out by I get you.

1214
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm saying when some guys that go to

1215
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: the bank other guys.

1216
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: And watch that.

1217
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you can look a great example of that

1218
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: is that early two thousand, twenty ten era Elite Series

1219
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: guys we just looked use them as as our quote.

1220
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: The case as the world.

1221
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we got.

1222
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: Aaron's over here he's drop shot in which he could

1223
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: do anything. But then you got Van Dam's cranking, we

1224
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: got Hackney flipping trees. We got this guy's chatterbay or

1225
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: spinner bait, we got there's somebody for everybody to relate

1226
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: to from different parts of the country, because the truth

1227
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: of the matter is we might be fortunate to fish

1228
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: some diverse lakes right around here, but the guys live

1229
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: in Louisiana. Man, they're flippers, they're froggers. No, that's cool, chatterbators.

1230
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: But that also goes back to the business side, which

1231
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: is if bast MLF or MPFL they're going to go

1232
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: to a location, they're hoping to get paid by that.

1233
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 3: Location, right, and not all the fans know that sometimes.

1234
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's becoming more widely known now.

1235
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: But obviously when these tournament trails show up, there's a

1236
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: number that they have in mind, and the city, town, location,

1237
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: economic board, whoever it is, they're the ones that decide

1238
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: that they're going to spend that money to have that

1239
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: tournament there. That also puts you in a position where

1240
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: you don't always have the diversity in the water to

1241
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: cater to all those guys. If you go to Lanier,

1242
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: if a guy is really good at fishing grass, he

1243
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: is gonna have a hard time finding a lot of grass.

1244
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: Now there is some with current format, he's wasting his

1245
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: time in the wind. I mean, he's just pissing in

1246
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: the wind, right, But like depending on how it drew

1247
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: for their you know, there's a lot changing for people

1248
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: that might be newer to it. We have seen so

1249
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: much change, and I'm speaking on some tournaments from five, six,

1250
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: seven years ago. We've seen a wide range of changes

1251
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: in formats and that changes some of this conversation depending

1252
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: on which one we're referring to. But yes, if you

1253
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: guys looking for grass there, But if we look back

1254
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: to just not that long ago, Jacob Wheeler, for example,

1255
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: when's FLW Cup Atland, hear if he was here, he

1256
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: probably tells, I don't even know if he turned his

1257
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: debt finders on.

1258
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: He won the FLW Cup there. That's cool, It's cool

1259
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: because there was a.

1260
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: Different That's why the way that John coxfishes. John says,

1261
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm not even going to put a forward

1262
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: facing you and on my boat. And he's going to

1263
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: go out and he's going to figure out something on

1264
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: everybody of water that he can do. It shows just

1265
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: how good he is. Now, I don't knock scopers because

1266
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: if that's a technique, just like anything else, you're just

1267
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: like a good crankbaiter. You're just like a good frogger.

1268
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: That is a technique.

1269
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: There, that's the format that is allowed. They are playing

1270
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: within there, playing within, they're capitalizing. I have no problem

1271
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: with them at all, man. Like I said, I support him,

1272
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: encourage him, coach them along with different things.

1273
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: Uh, but.

1274
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: When we're looking at for the greater good, it digs

1275
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: into more of the conversation that we're having here.

1276
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Man. We could solve every problem in the world man,

1277
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: in the fishing industry that we can, but we'll have

1278
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: to save it for another podcast. Rob Jordan who handles

1279
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Extreme Lure Creations. He's a guide on Lake Lanier. You

1280
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: guys have to check out some of these swim baits

1281
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: that he has. He's got join of baits, he's got

1282
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: rubber tail baits, he's got everything that you need. It's

1283
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: Extreme Lure Creations dot Com.

1284
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: Check that out. Thank you for jumping in, Thank you man,

1285
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: thank you for having me.