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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move to There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: significant economic news and including let's put this first element

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. Trump has now nominated a new

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Speaker 2: head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. One of many

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Speaker 2: reasons why I hate Donald Trump is now I have

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Speaker 2: to worry about who is the head of the Bureau

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Speaker 2: of Labor Statistics. So his name is E. J. Anthony,

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Speaker 2: chief economist at Heritage Foundation. Apparently a longtime critic of

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Speaker 2: the agency's approach to collecting data. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: think he's basically exactly who you think he is, Justin

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Speaker 2: Wolfer is tweeted.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: In terms of his qualifications, he finished grad school five

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Speaker 2: years ago at Northern Illinois. No obvious distinction is dissertation

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Speaker 2: is met involved no research on labor markets or data collection.

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Speaker 2: He's never published a paper. His life work has earned

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Speaker 2: him one citation. This record would be insufficient to earn

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Speaker 2: a job as a junior staffer at BLS. And so

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Speaker 2: basically he's put in there because he is a Trump

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Speaker 2: supporter and he is an ideaolog. I mean, he's the

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Speaker 2: kind of guy Ryan that's been interviewed on Steve Bannon's

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Speaker 2: War Room podcast. This is who we're we're talking about here,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it definitely raises questions about you're. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that is truly different about the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: especially Trump two point zero, is even if the government

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Speaker 2: has never been perfect at you know, maintaining in these

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Speaker 2: an assumption that that should be the aspiration, that the

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Speaker 2: head of the BLS, for example, should just be really

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Speaker 2: trying to compile the data in the best possible way

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Speaker 4: And this guy is you know, the latest example of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there was some hope among you know,

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Speaker 5: Wall Street bigwigs that the pushback that they gave to

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Speaker 5: the firing of the BLS chair would be enough to

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Speaker 5: get Trump to put in another bureaucrat type of person

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Speaker 5: like an academic who is you know, just widely respected

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Speaker 5: economic balls and strikes, because that is really important to

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Speaker 5: Wall Street. You know, Wall Street considers that Wall Street

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Speaker 5: corrupt stock market. Like the one of the biggest things

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Speaker 5: the jobless numbers and the growth and economic growth numbers

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Speaker 5: agree or disagree with that critique, but it's an open

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Speaker 5: critique and it and it hampers China's ability to attract

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Speaker 5: You know, they're doing quite well in spite of that,

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Speaker 5: And Wall Street was hoping that, yeah, there would be

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Speaker 5: Simply cannot tell yourself with any honesty that you think

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Speaker 5: The BLS says that the unemployment rate ticked down to

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Speaker 7: That he's lying.

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Speaker 5: And know that that is that's a drag on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe what it will mean is that people

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Speaker 2: actually have to pay attention to how ordinary Americans feel

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Speaker 4: Then I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: That that will, you know, be a boon politically for

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration, because they feel incredibly squeezed and incredibly stressed,

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Speaker 2: and if you look at you know, levels of consumer debt,

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Speaker 2: as we also head into now the impacts of whatever

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Speaker 2: So their ongoing negotiations with China, that tariff deadline, like

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Speaker 2: were supposed to snap back into place, like the really

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to snap back in place. Trump has now

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Speaker 2: are lower rates of terraffs, but still significant. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're still talking about sometimes Ryan, it seems like because

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Speaker 2: these tariff rates that have come.

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Speaker 5: Into place and consumer The CPI number for July is

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Speaker 5: expected rise of two point eight percent by economists, and

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Speaker 5: that has a lot to do with whether or not.

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Speaker 7: The Federal Reserve is going to.

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Speaker 5: You know, is going to move interest rates. But they

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Speaker 5: also take into account, you know, BOLS data.

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Speaker 7: And so.

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Speaker 5: When Trump now in the future tells you that, look

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Speaker 5: at all of these great numbers, all Democrats have to

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Speaker 7: How do you feel about the economy?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 7: It's lying to you.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel? It is a tremendous gift to Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Whether or not whether they can make something of it,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Do you think do you think Democrats

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Speaker 5: will understand what a gift this is to them?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 4: No, probably not, because that's all they have to say.

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Speaker 4: It is like they're too busy finding anti semitism, Like how.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel about the economy, and how you feel

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Speaker 5: about the economy?

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Speaker 7: Go with that?

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Speaker 5: Because Trump is lying to you. He put in his

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Speaker 5: stooges to lie to you about the numbers. So just

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Speaker 5: and the and then so for for Trump, he has

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Speaker 5: to then make people feel good about the economy. And

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Speaker 5: you know, good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been no indication that he has something interest

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Speaker 2: judging by his major accomplishment at this point, which was

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Speaker 2: the one big beautiful bill quote unquote, which is stripping

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Speaker 2: healthcare away from millions in order to fund attacks, get

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Speaker 2: for the bridge, among other things. But that's kind of

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Speaker 2: the big picture of what's going on there. I was

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Speaker 2: always also curious Ryan to get your take on put

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Speaker 2: US is marching towards state capitalism with American characteristics. President

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Speaker 2: Trump is imitating the Chinese Communist Party by extending political

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Speaker 2: what the jumping off point for this opinion piece is

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Speaker 2: is Trump's demand that Intel's chief executive resign the fifteen

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Speaker 2: Advanced micro Devices will share with Washington, and he says

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Speaker 2: the quote golden share, Washington will get a US steel

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Speaker 2: as a condition of nip On Steel's takeover. So you know,

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Speaker 2: it is a very extraordinary I mean, this is part,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is an extraordinary the number of

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, the way that they've been incredibly

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Speaker 2: sort of like you know, financial speculation. Is that there's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 5: If yeah, and if Trump wants to start doing you know,

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Speaker 5: industrial policy and actually kind of directing the commanding heights

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Speaker 5: of the economy, I think the left agrees with doing

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Speaker 5: that in principle and saying, yeah, sure, get allow the

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Speaker 5: public a lot more involvement in the economy so that

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Speaker 5: it's it's not just left too, you know, scam artists

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Speaker 5: on Wall Street and Silicon Valley to just you know,

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Speaker 5: siphon money out of people's pockets. But yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: seem like he's doing it in the in the public interest.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of funny here nobody cares about the Constitution.

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Speaker 7: But there is the export clause.

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Speaker 5: Just looking it up, Article one, Section nine, Clause five,

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Speaker 5: no tax or duties shall be laid on articles exported

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Speaker 5: from any state. Now you can tax income from exports.

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Speaker 5: And he'll maybe he's calling this voluntary, but on its

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Speaker 5: face it seems like just blatantly unconstitutional. But you know whatever, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's not like the it's not a top ten crime

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it barely ranks pally in the top

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Speaker 10: Two hundred and fifty grams down from three hundred grams.

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Speaker 10: Not only how fewer tea bags used to have fifteen

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Speaker 5: Completely empty, so Americans getting served literal weak tea.

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Speaker 7: Five is a good one too. Let's roll see five.

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Speaker 11: They've been removing all the perforated price tags from the

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Speaker 11: They missed one where to go right there? Look at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think that is going to persuade

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Speaker 4: Like we know these things.

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Speaker 5: And this that's why I think it's important to cover

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Speaker 7: You put up put up d one, you know, this.

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Speaker 5: It started with you know, Cuomo realizing or remembering from

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Speaker 7: For and that it's you know, rent stabilized.

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Speaker 5: And so he then adds together Mam Donnie's assembly salary

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Speaker 12: Rent stabilized units when they VAK should only be rented

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Speaker 5: And so we can get to Mam Donnie's great response

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Speaker 5: in a moment. But Crystal, I used to live in

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Speaker 5: New York and actually lived in a rent stabilized apartment.

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Speaker 5: One of the things you learn there is that the

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Speaker 5: landlords want nothing more than to get you out of

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Speaker 5: the rent state abilized apartment because when when they get

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Speaker 5: you out, they can then bump the rental price to

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Speaker 5: the market condition a lot. In some cases, it stays

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Speaker 5: rent stabilized but you have a new floor. Now it's

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Speaker 5: the new market rate, and then it can only move

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Speaker 5: by this slight percentage or zero if Mom Donnie gets

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Speaker 5: his rent freeze through. In other cases it's it's taken

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Speaker 5: out of rent stabilization and becomes a pure market rate apartment.

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Speaker 7: So in either case, the landlord wins.

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Speaker 5: So they're constantly desperately trying to get people out of

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Speaker 5: out of these apartments, and the renters are constantly playing

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Speaker 5: a cat and mouse game of trying to stay.

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Speaker 7: In the apartments.

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Speaker 5: Here comes Cuomo squarely on the side of the landlords,

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Speaker 5: saying that you know, once you know, he's going to

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Speaker 5: kick out people who don't meet these income requirements, and

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Speaker 5: once it becomes vacant, there's going to be these onerous

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Speaker 5: restrictions that you have to make.

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Speaker 7: You know, very you know you have to.

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Speaker 5: In New York hundred grand otherwise you know you're not

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Speaker 5: Eligi for this apartment.

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Speaker 7: What did you make of this? And we do want

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Speaker 7: to get to Mom Donny's lappeck.

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Speaker 5: Would you make of Cuemo's bant brilliant gambit here?

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Speaker 2: Well, the irony is, as I read it, Zorn's law

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Speaker 2: quote unquote wouldn't even apply to Zoron because when Zoron

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Speaker 2: was able to obtain this apartment, he was only making

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Speaker 2: forty four thousand dollars a year, so he would have qualified.

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Speaker 2: And the law does not actually say, now we're going

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Speaker 2: to kick out people who exceed this threshold, because that

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Speaker 2: would be politically insane, like the number of you know,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, just think about what that would mean

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Speaker 2: for your average person. Oh, you do a little bit better,

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Speaker 2: you get to raise at your job, and now you're

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Speaker 2: getting kick down to your apartment.

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Speaker 4: That's that's horrible. That's absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 2: And now you're out there in market rate, you know,

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Speaker 2: New York City, and it's just you've taken a step

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Speaker 2: forward in your career and like ten backwards in terms

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Speaker 2: of your living standards. Like that would be absolutely insane.

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Speaker 2: So somebody realized, Okay, well we can't actually do that.

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Speaker 2: That would be really bad and politically it would be

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Speaker 2: completely toxic. So instead he wants to implement the is

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Speaker 2: new income standards that would essentially mandate that everyone who

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Speaker 2: ends up in a rent stable aze apartment is like

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Speaker 2: rent burdened, like officially rent burdened. So it's it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's utterly ridiculous all the way around. And you know,

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Speaker 2: also highlights an issue which is rent affordability and housing

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Speaker 2: affordability that is one of Zoron's strongest possible issues. So

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Speaker 2: there's that, I mean, there's also just like outside of

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Speaker 2: this Zoran's Law fiasco situation, Cuomo is like melting down

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Speaker 2: on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, there's all sorts of weird posting.

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Speaker 2: There's speculation about they may be using bots to like

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Speaker 2: automatically reply to people. He's clearly brought on a new

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Speaker 2: consultant team that is trying to craft this new Twitter

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Speaker 2: troll persona for Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 4: And actually I just saw.

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Speaker 2: A new poll in the Copan in the mayoral race

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Speaker 2: and Zoron continues to win, to lead by a healthy margin.

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Speaker 2: Here this is from Sienna. This is with the five

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Speaker 2: way race, Zoron at forty four, Quomo at twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Sliwa at twelve, Atoms at seven. So you can see,

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Speaker 2: you know, increasingly desperate tactics as we get closer and

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Speaker 2: closer to election day, and the polls don't really seem

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Speaker 2: to be moving in Cuomo's favor, and no one else

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Speaker 2: seems to be dropping out. And even if they do,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what the polls again reflect at this point

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Speaker 2: is even if it was head to head Zoron versus Cuomo,

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Speaker 2: Zoron still wins in that scenario. So I guess that's

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Speaker 2: why Cuomo's resorting to also desperate tactics like reportedly calling

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Speaker 2: Trump and begging for him to come in and offer

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Speaker 2: some sort of assistance, which I don't think is going

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Speaker 2: to go over too well in the heavily democratic city

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Speaker 2: of New York City.

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Speaker 5: No, and as those polls consistently show, his disapproval numbers

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Speaker 5: are so high, he's got a huge ceiling.

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Speaker 7: So even if he could get this.

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Speaker 5: Mystical, fantastical one on one race with Mom Donnie in

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Speaker 5: the general, get everybody else out, people don't like him,

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Speaker 5: Like these number of people don't like him. Too many

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Speaker 5: people don't like him, And you've already.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people do like Zoron.

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Speaker 5: And he's at forty four already in a five way race.

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Speaker 5: So here's Mamdani responding to Cuomo's rent proposal.

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Speaker 13: What Andrew Cuomo is proposing, be it the rent control

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Speaker 13: he cited, the rent stabilization he intends to speak about

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Speaker 13: is in many ways reflective of the fact that I

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Speaker 13: live rent free in his head. There are important conversations

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Speaker 13: to be had about housing, But this is not what

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Speaker 13: he's seeking to lead. He's not looking to reflect on

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Speaker 13: the fact that he eliminated more affordable housing than he created.

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Speaker 13: He's not looking to reckon with his cutting of a

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Speaker 13: voucher program that was then followed by a significant increase

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Speaker 13: in homelessness in New York City. He's not looking to

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Speaker 13: reckon with any of that. He's just looking to answer

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Speaker 13: the question of how he lost.

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Speaker 2: I deliver rent free in his head. That's perfect. You

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Speaker 2: should have come up with that. That was there for

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Speaker 2: the taking.

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Speaker 5: It was right there. It was right there. Oran's rent

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Speaker 5: free in your head. But yeah, so he got him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been thinking about, you know, in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: this this tactic worked against India Walton where she won

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Speaker 2: the Democratic primary, and then the guy that she had defeated,

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Speaker 2: who was the mayor old incumbent, he comes in and

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Speaker 2: runs third party in the general election, and it actually works.

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Speaker 2: And I think it is a testament to a very

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Speaker 2: different political climate now for one, and a sort of

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Speaker 2: more radicalized Democratic base. And I think it also is

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Speaker 2: a testament to just Zoron's appeal. You know, in that poll,

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Speaker 2: I was just referencing he's head and shoulders above any

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Speaker 2: other candidate with independent voters too. So it's not just

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Speaker 2: that Democrats are like, Yeah, we like this guy, and

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Speaker 2: we don't really care what Keem Jeffreys or Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 2: has to say about it. We're going to vote for

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Speaker 2: the Democratic nominee. You also have independent voters who were like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: run affordability and focusing on New York City instead of say,

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Speaker 2: for example, Israel. That seems like a pretty good like

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Speaker 2: let's let's try that. Let's see how that, Let's see

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Speaker 2: how that works out for us. And then you also

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Speaker 2: have the historic unpopularity of Eric Adams, the you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of run of the mill Democratic establishment unpopularity of

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo. And you've you know, got the likely result

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Speaker 2: that we're going to see here, regardless of whether Trump

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Speaker 2: tries to pull some funny business or not.

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Speaker 5: And I wonder how you feel if you're Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 5: and who is the leader of the Senate, not just

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Speaker 5: a New York senator, He's a leader of the Senate

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Speaker 5: and Hakeem Jeffries, who's not just a Brooklyn member of Congress, but.

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Speaker 7: The House Democratic Leader.

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Speaker 5: Both of these guys standing in mom Donnie's way and

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Speaker 5: he's just barreling them over. They have still refused to

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Speaker 5: endorse him. How do you think that, How do you

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Speaker 5: think they.

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Speaker 7: Are reflecting on what their position is with party voters

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Speaker 7: at this point.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't see evidence that there's that kind of reflection

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Speaker 2: for hers.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a new poll out that I saw

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Speaker 5: this morning. It was asking about support for Israel's war effort.

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Speaker 5: The number among Democrats was eight percent. There's not much

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Speaker 5: that gets you down to eight percent, and it like

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Speaker 5: the gap between that and Democratic leadership has to be

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Speaker 5: the widest of any issue.

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Speaker 9: This is what's.

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Speaker 4: Crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: Ryan and I genuinely don't understand it. And actually we

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Speaker 2: could transition and talk about the peat pod save interview,

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Speaker 2: because I think this fits with this conversation and his

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Speaker 2: response on on some basic questions about where you stand

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Speaker 2: on Israel and Palestine at this point, like if you're

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Speaker 2: John Fetterman or you're Richie Torres, and you're just like

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Speaker 2: I'm the Apac guy and I'm all about that life.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to cape for Israel no matter what,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to make sure that money's coming in

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Speaker 2: on my side. Okay, I think it's disgusting. I think

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Speaker 2: it's morally atrocious. I hope history judges you quite harshly

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Speaker 2: for that. But I can at least understand a political

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Speaker 2: logic to that. The one that is perplexing to me

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Speaker 2: is the people who will go halfway, you know, they'll vote.

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Speaker 2: For example, Bernie offered two amendments that you could vote,

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Speaker 2: you know, for blocking offensive weapons. One of them was

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Speaker 2: assault rifles and the other one was like bombs. You

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Speaker 2: had some Democrats who would like vote for one and

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Speaker 2: not the other. What are you doing with that? The

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Speaker 2: Israel lobby people, they're gonna hate you, like APAC is

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Speaker 2: not gonna support you if you diverge even one inch.

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Speaker 2: And people who see this correctly as a genocide being

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Speaker 2: perpetrated with our tax dollars and are horrified by babies

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Speaker 2: being starved to death are not going to be too

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Speaker 2: impressed with you, being like, well, you can't have the

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Speaker 2: assault rifles, but you can have the bombs, or this

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Speaker 2: position that you know a see and others have tried

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Speaker 2: to lay out as well, we're going to support the

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Speaker 2: defensive weapons but not the offensive weapons. People who are

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Speaker 2: animated by this issue, which is increasingly I think a

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Speaker 2: large driving factor within the Democratic base and completely one

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Speaker 2: sided at this point, as you're pointing out of the

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Speaker 2: polls in favor of we have to stop this, like

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Speaker 2: not only we have to stop funding this, like we

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Speaker 2: need disanction is or we need totally different.

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Speaker 4: Approach to all of this.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to be impressed with your like, well,

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Speaker 2: the offensive weapons no, but the defensive weapons yes, And

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Speaker 2: well I'm concerned, but maybe it's not a genocide and

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Speaker 2: actually it's just Netanya. And if we could just get

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Speaker 2: amount of there, you know, I just I don't know

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Speaker 2: who that is, Like who is that for?

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Speaker 9: Who?

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Speaker 2: Who is what is the put it the morality aside,

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Speaker 2: like what is the political benefit from trying to position

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Speaker 2: yourself in this manner? And it just doesn't make any

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Speaker 2: sense to me. And it's crazy to me that there's

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Speaker 2: no obvious twenty twenty eight candidate for the Democrats who

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Speaker 2: are just it's like occupying the Zorn lane of I'm

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Speaker 2: in favor of BDS, I am an avowed anti Zionist.

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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to talk about it. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a genocide. I think we should arrest at Yahoo if

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Speaker 2: he comes to the country. It's mind boggling to me

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Speaker 2: Ryan that there is no one who is occupying that

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Speaker 2: lane at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, ro Kana probably getting the closest to it. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: you were referencing the Pete Buddha Judge interview with Podsave yesterday,

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Speaker 5: which actually kind of dunked on him for and Buddha

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Speaker 5: Judge was trending after this interview because it was so bad.

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Speaker 5: So let's play and we'll do a little trivia for

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Speaker 5: viewers here. We'll play this clip and you tell us

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Speaker 5: what Pete Buddha Judge thinks it should be American.

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Speaker 7: Policy towards Israel. This is B seven. Sorry to be

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Speaker 7: out of order here.

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Speaker 6: More than half of Senate Democrats just voted to oppose

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Speaker 6: the sale of over half a billion dollars worth of

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Speaker 6: US bombs and guns to Israel. Would you have voted

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Speaker 6: to oppose sending those weapons.

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Speaker 8: I think we need to insist that if American taxpayer

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Speaker 8: funding is going to weaponry that is going to Israel,

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Speaker 8: that that is not going to things that shock the conscience.

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Speaker 8: And look, we see images every day that shock the conscience.

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Speaker 8: So much of this is complicated, but what's not complicated

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Speaker 8: is that if a child is starving because of a

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Speaker 8: choice made by a government, that is unconscionable. And I think,

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Speaker 8: especially including voices who care about Israel, who believe in

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Speaker 8: Israel's right to exist, who have stood with Israel in

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Speaker 8: response to the unbelievable cruelty and terrorism of October seventh,

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Speaker 8: I think there's a reason why so many of those

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Speaker 8: voices are speaking up now too, because this is not

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Speaker 8: just something that is on its face and in itself

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Speaker 8: a moral catastrophe, it is also a catastrophe for Israel

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Speaker 8: for the long run.

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Speaker 6: Do you think the next administration should handle our relationship

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Speaker 6: with Israel? Do you think it should change based on

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Speaker 6: what Netanyah, who has done the last several years.

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Speaker 8: Well, certainly, net Yah, who can't be the only voice

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Speaker 8: or kind of the only compass for what should happen

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Speaker 8: in the US Israel relationship. And you know, no matter

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Speaker 8: how strongly or especially because of how strongly you might

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Speaker 8: believe in Israel's right to exist and defend itself, you

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Speaker 8: don't have to make excuses for the choices that Netanyah

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Speaker 8: who is making, especially because they are often made not

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Speaker 8: only in the name of the Israeli people, but in

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Speaker 8: the name of a US alliance. I think that we,

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Speaker 8: as Israel's strongest ally and friend, you put your arm

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Speaker 8: around your friend when there's something like this going on

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Speaker 8: and talk about what we're prepared to do together, and

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Speaker 8: it cannot be, certainly cannot be what we see right

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Speaker 8: now from this administration and this president talking about beach

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Speaker 8: front property in Gaza before he's prepared to talk about

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Speaker 8: human suffering in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: So the questions started a kat So the question started

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Speaker 5: with sending weapons to Israel. So trivia question pop quiz,

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Speaker 5: how does booda judge feel about weapons to Israel?

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Speaker 4: I mean?

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Speaker 2: The truth is, I think we do know from the

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Speaker 2: non answer. I think if the answer was yes, we

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Speaker 2: should block the weapons, we would have gotten that answer.

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Speaker 2: The truth is he wants to He understands, because Pete's

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Speaker 2: not a stupid guy, as we all know, he understands

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Speaker 2: where the democratic base is and wants to sort of

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Speaker 2: signal his empathy for that position without actually taking a

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Speaker 2: position that would put him at odds with you know

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Speaker 2: where some of his donor bases and you can only

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Speaker 2: you know when I asked the question like who.

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Speaker 4: Is this for?

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Speaker 2: In Pete's example, we know who exactly who it's for.

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Speaker 2: This is donor maintenance. That's what he's doing here. And

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Speaker 2: he thinks, because he's a very slippery operator that at

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Speaker 2: this point he can get away with sort of like

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Speaker 2: restating the question and evincing empathy for the position without

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Speaker 2: actually explaining where he is. And I think I hope

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Speaker 2: what he and I hope everybody else is learning is

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Speaker 2: that is not going to cut it. And there's so

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Speaker 2: much about his answer Ryan that just discuss me. First

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Speaker 2: of all, Palestinis are being murdered every day, and we

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Speaker 2: still have to center what's good for Israel. Can we

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Speaker 2: just care that babies are being starved to death and

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Speaker 2: that our government is complicit. Can we just care about

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Speaker 2: the fact that you know, people are being massacred just

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Speaker 2: trying to seek aid every day in the Gaza strip

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Speaker 2: Is that okay? Or do I need to worry first

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Speaker 2: and foremost about how Israelis are feeling about this and

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Speaker 2: what this means for the future of Israel. I find

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Speaker 2: that posture to be morally grotesque.

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Speaker 4: At this point.

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Speaker 2: Second of all, and it ties into that, you know,

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Speaker 2: moral atrocity. In my opinion, is this idea that But

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Speaker 2: it's just Natan Yahoo who's the problem. And he can't

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Speaker 2: be the only voice here. Oh really, well, he's not

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Speaker 2: the only voice. Every poll you look at says, you

734
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Speaker 2: know what, Israeli society. They're on board with us by

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Speaker 2: and large. Now there are some that, okay, how should

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Speaker 2: we approach the hostage to what are There is some descent,

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Speaker 2: but by and large do they care about what is

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Speaker 2: being done to Palestinians? By and large the answer is no.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the people who are really driving the ship,

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Speaker 2: oftentimes in terms of his coalition are the most psycho

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Speaker 2: extremist Ben Gavern Smotrich. Not to mention the you know,

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Speaker 2: so called opposition figures who are supposedly more moderate, say

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Speaker 2: equally horrific and genocidal things like this idea that liberals

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Speaker 2: love to hold on to. That, Oh, it's just the

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Speaker 2: fascist net Yaho's the problem. If we just got him

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Speaker 2: out of there, then every thing could revert to normal.

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Speaker 2: Is a lie, I mean, I would I can't even

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Speaker 2: say it's a fantasy, because I don't believe that he

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Speaker 2: believes that it's just a total and complete lie that

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Speaker 2: he thinks allows him to maintain what is now a

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Speaker 2: completely untenable position of thinking that liberalism and Zionism can coexist.

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Speaker 5: And to that point, in polls for the next Israeli government,

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Speaker 5: of the top four you got Neyahuo and then three

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Speaker 5: the three below that the three below are two net

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Speaker 5: Ya Who's right? So this idea that like you're you're

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Speaker 5: gonna you know modern that that he doesn't represent the

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Speaker 5: full spectrum is just not accurate. A bunch of things

758
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Speaker 5: jumped out in that quote. One of them was this

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Speaker 5: fear he has of naming.

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Speaker 4: Israel all this passive language.

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Speaker 5: One of his quotes was if a child is starving

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Speaker 5: because of a choice made by a government, a government,

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Speaker 5: which government which? And I think I've seen you make

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Speaker 5: this point, and I'm seeing normy Democrats who gase is

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Speaker 5: who not a top issue for them making it also,

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Speaker 5: which is that they want to see somebody good on

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Speaker 5: this issue because they don't want children starved, But more importantly,

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Speaker 5: they want somebody who has moral fiber, and they believe

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Speaker 5: that this is a proxy that if they're willing to

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Speaker 5: stand up against the special interests that are pushing them

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Speaker 5: to be bad on this issue, and they're still good

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Speaker 5: on it. They're still willing to stand up. Then that

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Speaker 5: means they're going to be willing to stand up for democracy.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be willing to stand up for people.

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Speaker 5: Tanasiko has had the great line and says, you know,

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Speaker 5: if you can't draw the line at genocide, why should

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Speaker 5: I trust that you're actually going to stand up for democracy?

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Speaker 5: And I think that it's exactly right when people hear

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Speaker 5: him say a child starving because of a choice made

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Speaker 5: by a government. You sound scared, You sound weak, and

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Speaker 5: we don't want scared and weak people now. And your

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Speaker 5: point about restating the question is is a.

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Speaker 7: Good one too.

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Speaker 5: And in the next clip he does precisely that I

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Speaker 5: hadn't noticed that tick until you mentioned it. But here

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Speaker 5: let's play B seven B where he's asked about recognition

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Speaker 5: of a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 6: Do you think it's time to recognize a Palestinian state?

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Speaker 8: I think that that's a profound question that arouses a

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Speaker 8: lot of the biggest problems that have happened with Israel's survival.

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Speaker 8: Israel's rights to survival in the diplomatic scene, and many

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Speaker 8: of the people who have taken that step historically have

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Speaker 8: done so for different reasons than what we see happening

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Speaker 8: with European countries. I think we need to step back

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Speaker 8: and we need to do whatever it takes to ensure

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Speaker 8: that there is a real two state solution and that

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Speaker 8: no one, not even likes in Thatta YAHUU can veto

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Speaker 8: the international community's commitment to a two state solution where

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Speaker 8: you have Palestinians and Israelis living with safety, with security,

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Speaker 8: with rights. I believe that can happen, but we have

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Speaker 8: to actually show some commitment to it.

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Speaker 7: So that's a profound question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is so vindicated. It's so vindicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a profound question that arouses a lot of

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Speaker 2: the biggest questions. Ryan, that's what that is.

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Speaker 7: That's what that is.

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Speaker 4: Cool. Thanks.

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Speaker 5: So Rocanna, who has been floated as a twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: eight candidate, did not appreciate that response.

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Speaker 7: You can put up the next element. He says, I

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Speaker 7: respect Pete.

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Speaker 5: He diverges from you there, he says, I respect Pete,

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Speaker 5: but we need moral.

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Speaker 7: Clarity, not status quo. Yes.

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Speaker 5: John Favreau Dems should have voted for the Sanders Amendment.

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Speaker 5: So there's an answer to the question, Yes, Dems should

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Speaker 5: join my letter recognizing a Palestinian state. Again an answer

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Speaker 5: to the question, Yes, Trump and Biden disastrously failed on Gaza,

819
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Speaker 5: and we need a new human rights centered division. So

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Speaker 5: if you believe that Kanna is testing the waters for

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight, he seems his political sensibilities are sensing

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Speaker 5: here that there is a lane here that you can

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Speaker 5: go after Trump and Biden here, and you can stand

824
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Speaker 5: up here, you can go after other Democrats, and that

825
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Speaker 5: Democratic voters will be with you. You think he and

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Speaker 5: I can't think of anybody else who's kind of dipped

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Speaker 5: their toes in these waters who's being more clear than him,

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Speaker 5: which is kind of disturbing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, and I think I personally think

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Speaker 2: Roe needs to go farther. I think he needs I

831
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Speaker 2: think he needs to acknowledge the international consensus that it's

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Speaker 2: a genocide. So even with him, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: people to your point, they don't want to see you

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Speaker 2: tiptoeing around, right, They don't want to feel like they're

835
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Speaker 2: getting weasley slippery answers, which is what you get overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: with Pete and rowe Is Miles better like, it's not

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Speaker 2: in clused. I think you're right, he is leading in

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Speaker 2: terms of the candidates who are sort of positioning themselves

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty eight. In his approach of this issue,

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Speaker 2: it seems to have some understanding of the way that

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Speaker 2: this is functioning as a moral litmus test, even above

842
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Speaker 2: and beyond the horrse that we see with Gaza. But

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Speaker 2: you know it also, I think what is notable in

844
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Speaker 2: particular about rose tweet is not just he directly answers

845
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Speaker 2: the question. That's kind of nice, but then he says

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Speaker 2: it's Trump and Biden. And I do think part of

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Speaker 2: the reason that some Democrats are tying themselves into knots

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Speaker 2: and not wanting to, you know, take these votes or

849
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Speaker 2: give direct answers or whatever, is because they're implicated and

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Speaker 2: they don't and they don't want to say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: they were right, Biden and Harris were complicit in a genocide.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a that's a tough pill for them

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Speaker 2: to swallow. And then they have to go back and

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Speaker 2: look at, well, what votes did I take during that

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Speaker 2: time period, and what is my responsibility to make right

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Speaker 2: from my own complicity here, and I think that is

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Speaker 2: a you know, a part separate apart from the money

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Speaker 2: and the influence of that which is obviously very very real.

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Speaker 2: I think there's also a lack of desire to look backwards,

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Speaker 2: take account on ability for one's actions, and critically to

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Speaker 2: have responsibility for ending this going forward, because if you

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Speaker 2: say it's a genocide, then that would indicate as someone

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Speaker 2: who is in an elected position of power, you have

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Speaker 2: a lot of responsibility, especially given our government support for

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Speaker 2: that genocide, to go above and beyond the call of

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Speaker 2: duty to try to end these horrors. And I think

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Speaker 2: that many of these Democrats don't want that responsibility on

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Speaker 2: their shoulders, that historic weight, because that's what it is

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Speaker 2: to rest on their shoulders.

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Speaker 5: And from a pure cynical political perspective, the numbers make

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Speaker 5: it not difficult.

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Speaker 7: I mentioned that eight percent earlier. We can put up

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Speaker 7: be nigh here.

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Speaker 5: Here's a tweet from Nel Shalein, who is one of

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Speaker 5: the State Department resignees to resign in protest thirty So

876
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Speaker 5: this is thirty two percent of Americans approving of Israel's

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Speaker 5: military actions. Among Democrats, the numbers down to eight and

878
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: among independents the number is twenty five percent, and you

879
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 5: know what people who among Republicans it's seventy one percent.

880
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Speaker 5: If you look at young Republicans, it's way way down

881
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 5: among that twenty five percent of independence, You're going to

882
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Speaker 5: have a decent number of people who are older Republicans

883
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Speaker 5: but call themselves independence, and polsters understand this phenomenon. There's

884
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Speaker 5: the same with Democrats, like you'll there's a portion of

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Speaker 5: people who call themselves independence who operate just like partisan Democrats,

886
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Speaker 5: and same with part of the Republicans. So true independence,

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Speaker 5: you're the number is going to be much less than

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Speaker 5: twenty five percent, But among Democrats eight percent eight percent

889
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: support that is you know, politans are always looking for

890
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Speaker 5: seventy thirty issues or eighty twenty issues. It's rare they

891
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Speaker 5: get a ninety two to eight issue where most of

892
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 5: their opponents or their adversaries in the primary are with

893
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Speaker 5: the eight percent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is the chance.

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Speaker 4: To be with the ninety to chance of a lifetime

896
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Speaker 4: or someone.

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Speaker 5: There's such a thing as political gravity that is going

898
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Speaker 5: to bring this all down at some point.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like that, And you know, there's a

901
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Speaker 2: kind of a built way conventional wisdom that of foreign policy,

902
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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. People don't vote based on foreign policy.

903
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't really know how you live through the fallout

904
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Speaker 2: from the Iraq War and continue to hold that view,

905
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Speaker 2: let alone, I mean prior to our time the Vietnam

906
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Speaker 2: War and still feel, Oh, people don't really care about

907
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Speaker 2: foreign policy because not only is it important in terms

908
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Speaker 2: of you know, international stability and young men in particular

909
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: being sent off to fight and die in these wars

910
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: by you know, mostly rich people sitting in Washington, d c.

911
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: But it does speak to these larger moral questions. And

912
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Speaker 2: on the Democratic side, it really exposes the hypocrisy about

913
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Speaker 2: a party that tries to position itself as the champion

914
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Speaker 2: of democracy, liberal human rights, that you're still standing in

915
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: lockstep with this rogue nation committing genocide and you know,

916
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: bombarding all of its neighbors in this hyper aggressive fashion,

917
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: that we're actively you know, supporting and participating it. And

918
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Speaker 2: on the Republican side, it really exposes the hypocrisy of

919
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: the idea that this is administration would be America first,

920
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: and that American interests would be the priority first and

921
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Speaker 2: foremost so. And in both instances. It really serves as

922
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Speaker 2: a litmus test for who is willing to have a

923
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Speaker 2: shred of integrity or stand on principle even when there

924
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Speaker 2: is organized money and other you know, social and cultural

925
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: interests that are aligned against you, and you know, so far,

926
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Speaker 2: the overwhelming number of politicians in both parties at this

927
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Speaker 2: point are are failing that test. All right, let's skip

928
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Speaker 2: forward to the much anticipated gender portion of the show

929
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Speaker 2: and this wnbation, which I only recently became. I guess

930
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Speaker 2: this has been going on for a while, so Ryan,

931
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you follow this, but basically, there's

932
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Speaker 2: some crypto company that decided it would be a fun

933
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Speaker 2: stunt to start throwing. By the way, content warning if

934
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Speaker 2: there were kids watching this show, I don't really think

935
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Speaker 2: kids should watch the show, but anyway, if their kids

936
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Speaker 2: watching the show, this is not really appropriate content for them. Anyway,

937
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Speaker 2: this crypto company decides it'd be a fun stunt to

938
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Speaker 2: get putublicity for them by throwing dildos a very sporting events,

939
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Speaker 2: and they claim that they did this at other sporting

940
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Speaker 2: events as well, but the ones that got the most

941
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Speaker 2: attention were when they started throwing these neon green like

942
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Speaker 2: brat summer colored dildos out at WNBA games. This became

943
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Speaker 2: a whole thing, and you know, became incredibly even more

944
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Speaker 2: politically relevant when Don Junior shared this meme of his

945
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Speaker 2: dad standing on the roof of the White House, which

946
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Speaker 2: was something he did recently, throwing one of these green

947
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Speaker 2: dildos onto the floor of the WNBA game that is

948
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Speaker 2: miraculously below the the White House here. So you know,

949
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Speaker 2: I guess embrace ultimately here of the phenomenon. And the

950
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Speaker 2: reason I wanted to cover this is because, first of all,

951
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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot going on that hasn't been

952
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Speaker 2: discussed with gender dynamics on the right that I think

953
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Speaker 2: are worth exploring. Second of all, as you pointed out earlier,

954
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Speaker 2: you know, the Republican Party has really wrapped itself around

955
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Speaker 2: this idea that they're the champion of women's sports, so

956
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Speaker 2: a little bit at odds with that. And third of all,

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Speaker 2: there is a saga online betting angle of this as well,

958
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Speaker 2: which you could put E three up on the screen.

959
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Speaker 2: You can now bet on what color dildo via polymarket

960
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Speaker 2: gets thrown onto the WNBA court. You can bet on this.

961
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Speaker 2: So of course people say, oh, well, why don't I

962
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Speaker 2: just sneaking. Why don't I just bet a lot of

963
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Speaker 2: money on the purple dildo getting thrown out and sneak

964
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Speaker 2: in a purple dildo and throw it onto the court.

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Speaker 2: That is now a thing that is possible, which I

966
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Speaker 2: think speaks to obviously, this is incredibly degrading for these

967
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Speaker 2: professional athletes who are extraordinary, who for the first time

968
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Speaker 2: are really getting like a lot of attention. You know,

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Speaker 2: ticket sales to WNBA games are up, like the WNBA

970
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Speaker 2: is actually having a moment. This is obviously like extraordinary

971
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Speaker 2: degrading to them. And to have the President's son like

972
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Speaker 2: embracing this, and then it's also like it's degrading to

973
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Speaker 2: women's sports, but the betting aspect of it makes it clear.

974
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Speaker 4: Like this is degrading to all sports.

975
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Speaker 2: And in the same way that the the BLS numbers

976
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Speaker 2: rigging just sort of like makes you feel like, oh, well,

977
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Speaker 2: I can't really take any of these numbers that are

978
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Speaker 2: coming from the government seriously anymore. They're all just being

979
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Speaker 2: like hyped to please Trump. It starts to feel like

980
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Speaker 2: that about all of these sporting events, where it's like,

981
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: all right, well, who's cashing in, who's being paid, what,

982
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: which refs are on the take to you know, make

983
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: this call or make this play or miss this free

984
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: throw or whatever, because you can bet down to these

985
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: individual outcomes, and it just really does degrade your sense

986
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Speaker 2: that there's anything real about these sporting events at all.

987
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Trump at his press conference yesterday announcing that

988
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Speaker 5: he's going to bring the National Guard out, by the way,

989
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Speaker 5: he seemed a little off like even for him at

990
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Speaker 5: that press conference, But even in that one, he veered

991
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Speaker 5: off into you know, his his defense of women's sports

992
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 5: and you know, you know, which are under threat from

993
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Speaker 5: the transgenders. So let's let's roll e two for that.

994
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: That's why they want men playing in women's sports.

995
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 13: That's what they why they want transgender for everybody, everybody transgender.

996
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 5: So I genuinely don't think I'm curious for your take,

997
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 5: Cristle in his mind that he actually sees the hypocrisy

998
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: or a contradiction between at you know, you know, his son,

999
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 5: you know, posting this this meme that encourages the debasement

1000
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 5: of women's sports with his constant invocation of his support

1001
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 5: for women's sports, because I think in his mind he's

1002
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 5: not serious about the latter, and so therefore now it's

1003
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 5: it wouldn't even occur to him.

1004
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, and this is that, like I don't even know

1005
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: if Trump is aware that this meme got posted, right,

1006
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: but certainly Don Junior is also involved in all the

1007
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: hand ringing about you know, the integrity of women's sports.

1008
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: And it's also always been total and complete bullshit, like

1009
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: these would be the same people who would denigrate women

1010
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: athletes have never shown any sort of interest in actual

1011
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: like female athletics. And I say this as a former

1012
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, female athlete myself, Division one swimmer myself. These

1013
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: are not people who ever cared. I mean, they always

1014
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: like this would be the type who would complain about

1015
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: the requirements that women's sports receive equals funding to male

1016
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: sports at colleges and those sorts of things. So there's that,

1017
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: and then you know, I I wanted to also, I

1018
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: think that the other element here that deserves you know,

1019
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: deserves just ushion is the WNBA is overwhelmingly black women,

1020
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 2: and it's overwhelmingly LGBTQ. So it's overwhelmingly like queer women,

1021
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: black women and black queer women, and I think that's

1022
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: part of what makes them such a target by individuals

1023
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: like Don junior for derision, where out of one side

1024
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: of their mouth they can talk about, oh the integrity

1025
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: women's words blah blah blah, and not the other side

1026
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: outside of their mouth be incredibly denigrating. And I just

1027
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: have to tell you, like, as as a woman, I

1028
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: I do feel like just outright hatred of women is

1029
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: becoming increasingly normalized. And I don't think that's just You've

1030
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: got the whole manosphere direction.

1031
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 8: You have.

1032
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: You know, this like ideology that women should just be

1033
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: which is coming both from the like degenerate right, like

1034
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: the Andrew Tate right, and from the like evangelical Christian

1035
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: right that women should just be like controlled by men.

1036
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: And it's of you.

1037
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: Just to make it clear, I'm not just being sort

1038
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: of like delusional and hysterical about this. It's a view

1039
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: that's being embraced by people who are at the highest

1040
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: levels of power in our government, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,

1041
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: who recently who goes to a church that has very

1042
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: extreme views on gender, including apparently the head pastor believing

1043
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: that women should not really be able to vote. And

1044
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Speaker 2: heg Seth recently reposted and shared a segment from CNN

1045
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: obvious people talking about how the Nineteenth Amendment should be

1046
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: repealed and women should not be allowed to vote. Let's

1047
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: go ahead and take listen to a portion of this

1048
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: segment that Hegseth shared and elevated.

1049
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: Wilson says, in his vision of a Christian society, women

1050
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 4: as individuals shouldn't be able to vote. His fellow pastors

1051
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 4: Jared Longshore and Toby Sumpter agreed.

1052
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 6: In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and

1053
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 6: I would ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote,

1054
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 6: but I would cast the vote having discussed it with

1055
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 6: my household.

1056
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 11: But what if there's a your wife doesn't want to

1057
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 11: vote for the same person as you, right, well, then that's.

1058
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 7: A great opportunity for a good discussion.

1059
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: There are some who have gone so far as to

1060
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: say that they want the nineteenth Amendment repealed.

1061
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 12: I would support that, and I support it on the

1062
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 12: basis that the atomization that comes with our current system

1063
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 12: is not good for humans.

1064
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: And we can see the way that attitudes are shifting culturally.

1065
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: To ryanf we put E six up on the screen

1066
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: so we can see in these surveys of tenth and

1067
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: twelfth grade boys, that there's a cultural shift away from

1068
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: just basic liberal views of gender equality. One of the

1069
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 2: questions is a woman should have the same job opportunities

1070
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: as a man. You can see the dramatic decline here

1071
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: in the number of boys who agree with this, again

1072
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: basic liberal sentiment. And this other one that says men

1073
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: and women should be paid the same amount of money

1074
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: if they do the same work, also significant decline, so

1075
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: that those levels are below where they were in nineteen

1076
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 2: ninety when I was nine years old.

1077
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: This to me is very disturbing.

1078
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: Ryan, And I don't know what you know if you

1079
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: think about you have daughters also you just you know,

1080
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: care about gender equality as a matter of principle as

1081
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: well wife that you care about who's actuarily accomplished, Like,

1082
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you see this happening And where

1083
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: do you think this comes from?

1084
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: And what do you think it means?

1085
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw I saw these numbers a couple of

1086
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 5: days ago, and they are really stark. And I'll be

1087
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Speaker 5: a man and man explained you had said tenth and

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Speaker 5: twelfth just for the viewers, eight is eighth their eighth

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Speaker 5: and tenth, sorry, which is doesn't change the meaning here.

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Speaker 5: Twenty eighteen seems to be this inflection point here, you know,

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Speaker 5: where you see this real drop off, less of a

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 5: drop off, and so twenty eighteen, of course it's the

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00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 5: height of the me Too movement, and interestingly, you see

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00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: you don't see much.

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 7: Increase in like it.

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Speaker 5: Oftentimes, if you're going to see a backlash like this,

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00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 5: first you'll see an increase in support, but you don't

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00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 5: really see that like you see just an immediate fall off.

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 5: You can put let's put that element back up on

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00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 5: the screen so people can see it again. You you

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 5: do see an increase in support for a woman should

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Speaker 5: have the same job opportunities as a man, starting you know,

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00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 5: little after twenty ten. This this is the period of time.

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00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 5: They call it a great awokening. So while people are

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00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 5: reconsidering you know, gender and race and sexuality in the culture,

1106
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 5: you see you see an uptick there, but me Too

1107
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 5: itself doesn't translate here to any gains at all and

1108
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 5: instead starts to starts to push the numbers off the cliff.

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00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 5: It's and it's so it's hard.

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Speaker 7: You know. This is also.

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Speaker 5: Around the time I guess that young men start drifting

1112
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 5: towards Trump. So yeah, I think this these are really

1113
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: profound numbers and I think say a lot about our politics.

1114
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Speaker 5: What's what's your thought on the on the connection to

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen.

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 4: I think it's a reasonable possibility.

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00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: I point more to you know, because you see this.

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 7: Like it's all one big bundle, but go ahead, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also I mean I think for everybody, but for

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00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: men in particular, where the cultural value proposition for men

1122
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: is basically like, you know, what what makes you a

1123
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: man is you can provide, right, you have the job,

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 2: you can you can provide for your family and buy

1125
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: the house, And that's been taken off the table right

1126
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: for so many people. And I think when you have

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00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: a population that is very stressed economically stressed about what

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: the future looks like, which is not only economics, but

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01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: you know, the most clear cut example is like material

1130
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: conditions and possibilities, I think it makes it very easy

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: to present a zero sum picture and to scapegoat. And

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: I think that scapegoating, you know, again, it connects to

1133
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: like the women's force thing, Like we know what the

1134
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: who the scapegoats are. It's like trans people, it's immigrants,

1135
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: and it's women. So I think there is a zero

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01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: sum portrait of well, if these if these women are

1137
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: getting ahead, then you're that's taking away from you. And

1138
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: if you have a population that's doing well, that's not

1139
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: going to hold a lot of water, that's not going

1140
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: to have a lot of appeal. But if you have

1141
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: a population that's really stressed, then they're going to be

1142
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: more open to those arguments of like, geez, the reason

1143
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: I can't get a decent job, the reason it's because

1144
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: these all these women. You know, schools are designed for women,

1145
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: and all these women going to college, and you know,

1146
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: women are instead of being where they should be in

1147
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: the house, they're they're taking the job that should rightfully

1148
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: be mine. I think it just makes people more open

1149
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: to that sort of zero sum scapegoating, which again is

1150
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: not just expressed in terms of regressive views towards women,

1151
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: but is also expressed in terms of you know, immigrants,

1152
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: in terms of trans people, in terms of anyone who

1153
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: could be picked, you know, portrayed as like an other

1154
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: who's taking away from from you something that you truly deserve.

1155
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 2: So that's sort of my larger analysis of what's going

1156
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: on there, and you know, the me too backlash plan

1157
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: to that possible. But the reason I don't point my

1158
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: finger directly at that is because you see this trend

1159
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: across groups, not just with regard to women. And by

1160
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: the way, I see the attack on transgender people as also,

1161
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, not just being about those individuals who are

1162
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: easy to portray as like different, weird, other, degenerate and

1163
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: all these sorts of things. I also see that as

1164
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: an attack on women and controlling, like the bounds of

1165
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: what you can be is what it looks like to

1166
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: be a woman. And we've seen examples of this where

1167
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: someone who doesn't present, you know, in the like classic

1168
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: feminine way scrutinizes like, oh, you're not allowed to be

1169
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: in this bathroom, and it creates, you know, these tighter

1170
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 2: gender prescribed gender roles when you go after trans people

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: in this way as well.

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01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the questions here are just wild.

1173
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 5: Put the element back up on the screen, if we

1174
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 5: have a second, just to be clear that the two

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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 5: things that people are agreeing and disagreeing with here a

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: woman should have the same job opportunities as a man,

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01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 5: and then the other one is men and women should

1178
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 5: be paid the same money if they do the same work.

1179
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 5: And you know, for that latter one, only fifty seven

1180
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 5: percent of these eighth and tenth grade boys agree completely

1181
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 5: that men and women should be paid the same money

1182
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 5: if they do the same work.

1183
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 7: Now somewhat agree, It gets you up to eight and ten. Okay, good,

1184
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 7: But what's what's somewhat here?

1185
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 5: Like, what is the circumstance right where a man does

1186
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 5: the job and gets paid more than a woman doing

1187
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: the job and the same a woman should have the

1188
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 5: same job opportunities as a man. Agree completely is down

1189
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 5: to forty five percent, So you get you add somewhat,

1190
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 5: it gets you up to seventy two percent, But what's

1191
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 5: the what's the circumstance here in these kids mind where

1192
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 5: the opposite should be the case. It's it's just it's

1193
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 5: dark that that this is where these boys are.

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it ties into this cultural sense

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: I have that values that were kind of taken for granted,

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01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: you know that I thought were just like we all

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01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: kind of accepted are And you know that the you know,

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: the women should be in the kitchen idea or whatever like,

1199
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: or even just that it's good to be humble, it's

1200
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: good to care about your fellow human. These things that

1201
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: I just thought were sort of like baked into society

1202
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: at this point more or less, you know, it's like

1203
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: aspirational values that they've just been in many instances turned

1204
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: on their head, or that there's been tremendous backsliding, and

1205
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: that was I guess what disturbed me the most about this.

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Speaker 4: Chart is.

1207
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: The fact that in nineteen ninety we had young boys

1208
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: had better just like basic quality of gender values than

1209
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty five. That is profoundly disturbing

1210
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: to me because it just speaks to the possibility of like, Okay,

1211
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: well where does this end?

1212
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 4: You know?

1213
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: And that's why, again to tie back to the p

1214
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: hext thing, when you see the Secretary of Defense being

1215
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 2: like pretty much co signing the view that women should

1216
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: just not be allowed to vote, it may seem preposterous,

1217
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: but a lot of things that I would have thought

1218
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: were preposterous have been put back on the table, which

1219
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: is why I'm trying to make a concerted efver to

1220
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 2: pay more attention to these Yeah, I can't even call

1221
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: it a warning sign. Was the freaking Secretary of Defense,

1222
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: who has a lot of sway over you know, the

1223
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: way women are treated, for example, in the military, and

1224
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: what possibilities and jobs are open to women in the

1225
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: military and whether they are being paid the same as

1226
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: an equally qualified man in that role.

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Speaker 4: So so in any.

1228
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: Case, I guess I'll just wrap it all in a

1229
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: bow and say I find it to be part of

1230
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: a larger cultural phenomenon of basic you know, value and

1231
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: morality backsliding, and I find it to be deeply disturbing

1232
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: because I don't know where the bottom is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah no, those those numbers are pointing straight down. It'd

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 5: be one thing if that's where they stopped. But yeah,

1235
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Speaker 5: there's no indication that a year from now that dot's

1236
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 5: not going to be significantly lower.

1237
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, Well, thank you so much for hanging

1239
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: out with us today, as we had a very I

1240
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,320
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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:07,480
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1243
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,640
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1244
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:15,280
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1245
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,480
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1248
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1249
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