WEBVTT - 7. The 'Do Not File' File

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on snafu.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI arrested twenty persons in Camden, New Jersey, early

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<v Speaker 2>today and charge them.

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<v Speaker 3>With trying to steal draft records from the federal building there.

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<v Speaker 4>What we wanted was to persuade the jury that the

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<v Speaker 4>war was wrong and that it had to be stopped,

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<v Speaker 4>and that our action was an attempt to find a

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<v Speaker 4>jury who would set us free and end the war.

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<v Speaker 5>Why should these lives be cut down for ten rubber

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<v Speaker 5>and oil?

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<v Speaker 4>And the judge says to the four person, do you

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<v Speaker 4>have any other verdicts on any of the other defendants

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<v Speaker 4>that are different on any of these counts? And the

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<v Speaker 4>foreman said, no, your honor.

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<v Speaker 6>And Senator Dole, the Republican chairman to accuse the Democrats

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<v Speaker 6>of trying to make the FBI look like an American gestapo.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm the defin chairman of the City of Illinois Black

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<v Speaker 7>campin party.

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<v Speaker 8>Free Hampton.

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<v Speaker 9>We said, we work with.

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<v Speaker 7>Anybody from police, with anybody that has revolutions.

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<v Speaker 9>On their nine.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen sixties, a lot of people had

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<v Speaker 1>revolution on their minds, So when Fred Hampton spoke, they listened.

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<v Speaker 10>He really was a great organizer and can relate to

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<v Speaker 10>people quite well and had that charism where people were followed.

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<v Speaker 11>That's Omar Barbour who joined the Black Panther Party in

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<v Speaker 11>nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 10>And you have to have integrity and people have to

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<v Speaker 10>feel you have integrity. And you can fill that with

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<v Speaker 10>Fred that he had integrity because understand that racism is

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<v Speaker 10>an excuse you of capitalism, and we know that racism

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<v Speaker 10>is just is a bad product capitalism.

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<v Speaker 11>Hampton opposed to the War in Vietnam as another byproduct

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<v Speaker 11>of capitalism. He empathized with the people of Vietnam. In

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<v Speaker 11>his view, they're suffering at the hands of the US

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<v Speaker 11>military was inextricably linked to the oppression that Americans of

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<v Speaker 11>color faced at home.

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<v Speaker 1>In response to that oppression.

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<v Speaker 11>And the poverty around them, Hampton and the Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 11>offered simple, effective solutions, free breakfast programs for kids, free

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<v Speaker 11>healthcare clinics, the kinds of things the US government wasn't providing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 11>people say, people, if you are fight of.

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<v Speaker 9>You a fight, it'll feel.

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<v Speaker 11>Hampton mobilized real working Americans, particularly people of color, which

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<v Speaker 11>made him a threat to the wealthy white establishment. Hampton

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<v Speaker 11>knew he was on Jay Edgar Hoover's radar.

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<v Speaker 9>We know they have half, we.

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<v Speaker 12>Know they're looking for us, we know they have had us.

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<v Speaker 10>And then he simmits fourth nineteen sixty nine data. We

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<v Speaker 10>all wrote out wield and testaments.

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<v Speaker 13>Police arrived at Fred Hampton's West Side apartment the four

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<v Speaker 13>forty five this morning. They had a search war and

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<v Speaker 13>authorizing them to look for illegal weapons.

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<v Speaker 11>That morning, America woke up to the news that Hampton

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<v Speaker 11>had been killed, ostensibly in a shootout with police.

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<v Speaker 13>Stints Attorney's office says that Hampton and another man were

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<v Speaker 13>killed in the fifteen minute gun battle which followed.

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<v Speaker 11>The official story was the police were investigating a tip

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<v Speaker 11>about an illegal weapons stash at Hampton's home. When the

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<v Speaker 11>cops arrived, the story went the panthers unleashed a hail

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<v Speaker 11>of gunfire on the police, setting off a shootout that

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<v Speaker 11>killed Hampton. But that story did not hold up to scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 11>Looking at the crime scene, it was immediately apparent that

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<v Speaker 11>there hadn't been a shootout at all. At least one

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<v Speaker 11>hundred shots had been fired, but the bullet holes clearly

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<v Speaker 11>showed that ninety nine of them had come from police guns. Outside.

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<v Speaker 11>Hampton didn't pick up a gun. He hadn't even gotten

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<v Speaker 11>out of bed. The police had murdered him in cold blood.

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<v Speaker 10>When we found out that of all the shots that

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<v Speaker 10>were fired in the apartment, only one was fired out

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<v Speaker 10>and everything is fire in then it became much more

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<v Speaker 10>clearer than there was a shooting. And now the shootout never.

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<v Speaker 9>Said a word.

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<v Speaker 6>You never got.

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<v Speaker 7>About the bed.

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<v Speaker 11>Akua and Jerry was Fred Hampton's girlfriend at the time

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<v Speaker 11>of the shooting. She was eight months pregnant. In this interview,

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<v Speaker 11>she's holding their new infant son.

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<v Speaker 7>The person was in the room. They kept going out,

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<v Speaker 7>stop shooting, stop shooting. We have a pregnant woman or

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<v Speaker 7>pregnant sister in here.

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<v Speaker 14>Piggs kept on shooting.

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<v Speaker 7>Heard Pigs say he's barely alive, he'll barely make it.

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<v Speaker 7>As soon they were talking about shevving fled. Then they

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<v Speaker 7>started shooting Pig. They started shooting up, shooting again. I

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<v Speaker 7>heard the screen. They stopped shooting. Pig said he was

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<v Speaker 7>good and dead.

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<v Speaker 10>Now the whole thing was fabricated and was disproved, And

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<v Speaker 10>that really got to understand that there was definitely much

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<v Speaker 10>more involved than just them coming to Servi a Warren

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<v Speaker 10>or whatever. The justification was.

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<v Speaker 11>In nineteen seventy one, the Illinois States Attorney who ordered

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<v Speaker 11>the raid was charged with obstructing justice. In the Hampton case,

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<v Speaker 11>the illusion that Hampton died in a gunfight with police evaporated,

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<v Speaker 11>leaving the public to wonder who wanted him dead and

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<v Speaker 11>why they thought they could murder him with impunity. The

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<v Speaker 11>answers took years to come out, but when they finally did,

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<v Speaker 11>America would learn the truth behind Hampton's murder and the

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<v Speaker 11>truth about Jaedgar Hoover's secret FBI. I'm Ed Helms and

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<v Speaker 11>This is Snaffo, a show about history's greatest screw ups.

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<v Speaker 11>On season two, medburg the story of a daring heist

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<v Speaker 11>that exposed Jaedgar Hoover's epic FBI snaffo. The Citizens Commission

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<v Speaker 11>to Investigate the FBI had pulled off an incredibly risky heist.

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<v Speaker 11>They'd leaked the stolen documents to the press and successfully

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<v Speaker 11>evaded j Edgar Hoover's dragnet. As you might recall, buried

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<v Speaker 11>within those documents was a single word, a code name

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<v Speaker 11>co intel pro. To the burglars. At the time, it

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<v Speaker 11>meant nothing, just some bureau jargon. Soon an even splashier scandal,

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<v Speaker 11>Watergate was dominating the headlines the media. Burglary could have

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<v Speaker 11>become a historical footnote, but it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't over yet.

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<v Speaker 5>I had gone to the Senate Judiciary Committee to pick

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<v Speaker 5>up a very mundane item, and people were using the

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<v Speaker 5>photo copy of the machine, and I had to wait

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<v Speaker 5>to get a copy of this report.

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<v Speaker 11>Carl Stern was a young reporter covering the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 11>for NBC. One day in nineteen seventy two, he was

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<v Speaker 11>in a government office, just waiting for a copy machine

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<v Speaker 11>when an offhand comment piqued his interest.

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<v Speaker 5>While I was waiting, my friend said, here, ever seen

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<v Speaker 5>these papers? And he had a couple of dozen pages

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<v Speaker 5>that had been provided courtesy of the Citizens Commission to

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<v Speaker 5>Investigate the FBI. While you're wasting time here, why don't

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<v Speaker 5>you take a look. And flipping through the pages, I

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<v Speaker 5>noticed one It said Cohen telpro new Left.

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<v Speaker 11>The FBI file contained an article from Baron's magazine criticizing

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<v Speaker 11>left wing student activism at Columbia. The file also contained

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<v Speaker 11>a memo to agents of the media FBI office instructing

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<v Speaker 11>them to anonymously mail this article to local college administrators.

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<v Speaker 5>It was you know, a little handwriting below the notice

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<v Speaker 5>to the field office that said Tom or for the

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<v Speaker 5>agent in charge there, Tom Lewis, Tom, can you handle

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<v Speaker 5>swarththor Haverford and Villanova. I mean, they had this thing

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<v Speaker 5>really quite explicitly described.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what caught my eye.

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<v Speaker 11>The implication was clear the FBI was covertly trying to

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<v Speaker 11>sway colleges into cracking down on anti war students. Co

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<v Speaker 11>Intel pro New Left appeared to be the name of

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<v Speaker 11>this operation. But what the hell kind of operation was this?

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<v Speaker 5>Mailed anonymously? Do FBI agents mail andi leftwik literature anonymously?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that what FBI agents do?

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<v Speaker 9>And that's what bothered me.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl asked his usual government sources.

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<v Speaker 5>A series of Justice Department and FBI employees.

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<v Speaker 9>When I raised the you know, we can't talk.

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<v Speaker 11>About that, which is FED speak for keep your nose

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<v Speaker 11>out of this, Carl.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, nothing is going to get a reporter's interest more

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<v Speaker 5>quickly than SAGA can't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 11>So Carl turned to FOYA, the Good Old Freedom of

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<v Speaker 11>Information Act, although at this time it was actually the

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<v Speaker 11>Good New Freedom of Information Act. It had only passed

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<v Speaker 11>a few years earlier in nineteen sixty eight, Of course,

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<v Speaker 11>the FBI denied his initial request, citing national security concerns,

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<v Speaker 11>but Carl was a dog with a co intel pro bone,

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<v Speaker 11>so he sued the government. Now, a judge would read

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<v Speaker 11>a batch of documents explaining co intel pro and rule

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<v Speaker 11>on whether or not they could be released to Carl,

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<v Speaker 11>but he.

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<v Speaker 9>Didn't want to read all those pages, so.

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<v Speaker 5>He gave it to his clerk, one of his clerks,

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<v Speaker 5>to read over the weekend. The clerk lived in one

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<v Speaker 5>of these housing to elements over in Virginia. It was summertime,

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<v Speaker 5>quite hot. He went to the swimming pool to take

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<v Speaker 5>a tip and took a handful of the documents with

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<v Speaker 5>him to read at the pool.

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<v Speaker 11>Northern Virginia, where even the pool side reading is highly classified.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, unfortunately, after his swimming went back to his apartment,

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<v Speaker 5>the doorbell rang and it was some sweet young thing

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<v Speaker 5>holding the documents, saying, sir, you left me. He's under

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<v Speaker 5>your chair, your lounge. So here were these highly important

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<v Speaker 5>documents which were in court litigating the sea, and they

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<v Speaker 5>were under his chair at the swimming pool.

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<v Speaker 11>There's probably an alternate universe in which the aforementioned sweet

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<v Speaker 11>young thing was a Soviet spy who picked up these documents,

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<v Speaker 11>leaked them all and brought down the US government.

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<v Speaker 15>But instead that sweet young thing who found retrieved these

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<v Speaker 15>documents save the Republic as she became the Clerk's wife.

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<v Speaker 9>Yep, it was.

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<v Speaker 11>The first meet cute in the history of the Freedom

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<v Speaker 11>of Information Act. A victory for love and soon maybe

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<v Speaker 11>a victory for Carl. But just as Carl started digging

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<v Speaker 11>for its deepest, darkest secrets, the Bureau suffered the greatest

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<v Speaker 11>loss of its sixty four year history. I'll let Walter

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<v Speaker 11>Cronkite break the news to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening. Jay Edgar Hoover has died at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy seven. For almost every living American generation, Hoover,

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<v Speaker 2>the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, stood as

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<v Speaker 2>a symbol of incorruptible law enforcement and untouchable who liked

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<v Speaker 2>to boast that his men could not be bought.

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<v Speaker 11>In May second, nineteen seventy two, j Edgar Hoover died

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<v Speaker 11>suddenly at his home in Washington, DC. The official cause

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<v Speaker 11>of death cardiovascular disease.

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<v Speaker 9>We like to think that maybe we hastened that a

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<v Speaker 9>little bit.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, so Bonnie Rains and the other burglars might not

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<v Speaker 11>have been too upset, but mainstream America was in mourning.

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<v Speaker 11>President Nixon ordered flags flown at half staff. Hoover's body

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<v Speaker 11>lay in state at the Capitol Rotunda, the first unelected

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<v Speaker 11>civil servant given that honor. After thousands of people streamed

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<v Speaker 11>through the Capitol to pay their respects, the only director

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<v Speaker 11>the FBI had ever known was laid to rest at

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<v Speaker 11>Congressional Cemetery. It is eulogy for Hoover. President Nixon didn't

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<v Speaker 11>just praise the late FBI director. He also lashed out

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<v Speaker 11>at the FBI's haters.

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<v Speaker 16>The FBI will carry on in the future true to

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<v Speaker 16>its finest traditions in the past, because, regardless of what

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<v Speaker 16>the snipers and detractors would have us believe, the fact

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<v Speaker 16>is a director Hoover built the bureau totally on principle.

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<v Speaker 11>Hoover died a hero to mainstream America, having blackmailed, imprisoned, buried,

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<v Speaker 11>or otherwise outlasted generations of enemies and detractors. I'll be honest,

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<v Speaker 11>I wish Hoover had lived just a little bit longer,

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<v Speaker 11>because the following year, the judge in Carl Stearn's Secret

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<v Speaker 11>Document case ruled in his favor and ordered the release

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<v Speaker 11>of a few crucial documents explaining that mysterious phrase co

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<v Speaker 11>intel pro.

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<v Speaker 9>What I got was four pages of paper.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, so not a lot of pages, but turns out

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of revelations even then.

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<v Speaker 5>The first of the four pages reference eighth co and

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<v Speaker 5>tailpro programs dealing with things as the Black Extreamist Socialist

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<v Speaker 5>Workers Party, disruption of white hate crubs, they got New Left,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, so on and on.

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<v Speaker 11>It had been more than two and a half years

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<v Speaker 11>since the Burglars first uncovered that word co intel pro.

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<v Speaker 11>Now finally the world would know what it meant. This

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<v Speaker 11>was the umbrella term for no fewer than eight FBI programs,

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<v Speaker 11>all using patently unconstitutional counterintelligence tactics against American citizens, and,

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<v Speaker 11>according to Carl sources, all happening without the knowledge of

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<v Speaker 11>any Attorneys general. It was an explosive story. On December sixth,

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<v Speaker 11>nineteen seventy three, a dapper and confident young Carl Stern

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<v Speaker 11>appeared on the NBC Nightly News and introduced America to

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<v Speaker 11>the dark sides of j Edgar Hoover and the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>The documents proved for the first time with the FBI

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<v Speaker 3>undertook a program to harris and destroy new Left political

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<v Speaker 3>organizations whose views the federal police agency disagreed with. Wrote

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<v Speaker 3>FBI Director Hoover, the purpose of the program would be

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<v Speaker 3>to expose and disrupt the new Left. We must frustrate

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<v Speaker 3>every effort of these groups and individuals to consolidate their

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<v Speaker 3>forces or to recruit new or youthful adherents.

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<v Speaker 11>Carl's referencing memos from nineteen sixty eight here, But to

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<v Speaker 11>be clear, Cointel pro began all the way back in

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<v Speaker 11>nineteen fifty six. The FBI had kept it a secret

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<v Speaker 11>for the better part of two decades, but now Carl

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<v Speaker 11>was reading the bureau's secrets out loud on national television.

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<v Speaker 3>One former agent who participated in the program has described

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<v Speaker 3>how burglaries, forged blackmail letters, and threats of violence were

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<v Speaker 3>used to try to stop anti war marches. Many of

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<v Speaker 3>the techniques were clearly illegal, but justified in the interest

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<v Speaker 3>of national security. Today, the Justice Departments said no Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>General authorized or knew of the program.

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<v Speaker 11>Almost immediately the calls for congressional hearings began, but in

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<v Speaker 11>classic Congress fashion, Congress dragged its feet. It took several

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<v Speaker 11>more shocking revelations, including the news that Hoover had illegally

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<v Speaker 11>spied on members of Congress, for the legislative branch to

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<v Speaker 11>officially establish a committee to start looking into all this shit.

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<v Speaker 11>Leading that committee was Senator Frank Church, Democrat of Idaho.

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<v Speaker 17>He once said to me and others that he would

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<v Speaker 17>be the last Democrat ever elected to the Senate from Idaho,

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<v Speaker 17>and in fact, that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Locke Johnson.

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<v Speaker 11>He was special assistant to Frank Church during what came

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<v Speaker 11>to be known as the Church Committee hearings. Locke and

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<v Speaker 11>his team of investigators conducted an exhaustive review of intelligence

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<v Speaker 11>practices at the FBI, CIA, NSSAY, and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 11>other spooky acronyms. By the way, for more on that,

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<v Speaker 11>I hope you'll check out our bonus interview with Locke. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 11>it took more than a year before the committee was

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<v Speaker 11>ready to make its findings public.

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<v Speaker 17>We were slow rolled and stonewalled, and we used a

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<v Speaker 17>couple of Washington expressions. We had to fight them tooth

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<v Speaker 17>and nail.

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<v Speaker 11>Despite the slow rolling and stonewalling, Church's team eventually pried

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<v Speaker 11>mountains of co intel pro documents away from the FBI,

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<v Speaker 11>they conducted interviews with agents and with victims of the

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<v Speaker 11>bureau's misbehavior. On November eighteenth, nineteen seventy five, Frank Church

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<v Speaker 11>sat in a crowded, high columned chamber in the Russell

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<v Speaker 11>Senate Office building and called to order a momentous hearing.

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<v Speaker 18>There has never been a full public accounting of FBI

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<v Speaker 18>domestic intelligence operations. Therefore this committee has undertaken such an investigation.

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<v Speaker 17>It was packed with people. Very ornate took place and

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<v Speaker 17>in the front of the people there are five hundred

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<v Speaker 17>people or so, citizens and tourists in many cases, and

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<v Speaker 17>no doubt some KGB people, and they're trying to learn

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<v Speaker 17>about American intelligence. In the front row television cameras and

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<v Speaker 17>reporters senators all the eleven senators, and behind the senators

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<v Speaker 17>were we staffer is sitting to help them if they

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<v Speaker 17>needed help.

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<v Speaker 11>You can actually see a young Lock Johnson just behind

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<v Speaker 11>Frank Church in the old C span footage of the hearings.

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<v Speaker 1>The proceedings began with a thank you.

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<v Speaker 11>Frank Church voiced his appreciation for the anonymous burglars whose

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<v Speaker 11>courageous actions had precipitated these hearings. From there, the focus

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<v Speaker 11>turned to two government lawyers, Fritz Schwartz and Curtis Smothers.

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<v Speaker 11>They were there to lay out the facts of Hoover's

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<v Speaker 11>secret FBI. Here's Schwartz now turning to Cohen Tailpro coen.

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<v Speaker 14>Telpro is a abbreviation of the words counter intelligence program.

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<v Speaker 14>Telpro is the name for the effort by the Bureau

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<v Speaker 14>to destroy people and to destroy organizations, or, as they

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<v Speaker 14>used the words disrupt, to neutralize.

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<v Speaker 17>All the horrible operations by the intelligence agency is, particularly

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<v Speaker 17>the FBI against American citizens, had their origins in this

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<v Speaker 17>false belief that communism was going to destroy US.

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<v Speaker 11>Counterintelligence activities are by definition conducted to counter the activities

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<v Speaker 11>of foreign intelligence agents, but for years the FBI had

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<v Speaker 11>operated under the assumption that anyone speaking out against the

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<v Speaker 11>government could be a foreign agent, or at least could

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<v Speaker 11>be investigated as if they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Curtis Smothers.

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<v Speaker 19>Part of the problem as they attempted to translate the

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<v Speaker 19>tactics used first against the Communist Party against virtually every

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<v Speaker 19>perceived enemy. As the Bureau looked across the landscape and

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<v Speaker 19>decided whose be neutralized, discredited, or destroyed, take.

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<v Speaker 11>For example, the Socialist Workers Party. They had been the

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<v Speaker 11>target of what the FBI called quote black bag jobs,

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<v Speaker 11>acute euphemism for when the FBI just straight up committed burglary.

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<v Speaker 11>Between nineteen sixty and sixty six, FBI agents broke into

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<v Speaker 11>the party's New York City offices no fewer than ninety

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<v Speaker 11>two times. You know what they say, If at first

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<v Speaker 11>you don't succeed in finding evidence of Soviet espionage, try

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<v Speaker 11>try again ninety one more times. More than four hundred

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<v Speaker 11>black bag jobs would eventually come to light. Many of

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<v Speaker 11>them involved photographing private homes and offices and or leaving

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<v Speaker 11>behind listening devices to gather information on their targets. This

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<v Speaker 11>kind of thing is legal if you have a warrant,

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<v Speaker 11>but the FBI never bothered with that pesky formality, which

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<v Speaker 11>meant none of what they learned from these break ins

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<v Speaker 11>would be admissible in court. Hoover and his men were

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<v Speaker 11>well aware of this. They didn't intend to build criminal

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<v Speaker 11>cases against co intel pros targets. Rather, the goal of

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<v Speaker 11>these operations was simply to gather information that could be

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<v Speaker 11>used against.

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<v Speaker 14>Them, all information on activities in connection with demonstrations aimed

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<v Speaker 14>at social reform, whatever that may be.

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<v Speaker 11>Basically, if your politics didn't meet with the FBI's approval,

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<v Speaker 11>the bureau felt entitled to gather information on every aspect

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<v Speaker 11>of your life.

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<v Speaker 19>Information which extended to their personal lives and died down

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<v Speaker 19>to when including sex activities.

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<v Speaker 11>Hoover kept these black bag jobs under wraps with an

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<v Speaker 11>almost unbelievably simplistic bureaucratic trick. Any files related to the

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<v Speaker 11>break ins went into a specially designated file called I

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<v Speaker 11>swear I'm not making this up, the do not file file.

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<v Speaker 11>Presumably Hoover kept that file locked in his this is

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<v Speaker 11>not a filing cabinet filing cabinet and whatever he needed

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<v Speaker 11>to threaten, embarrass, or just confuse his targets, he knew

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<v Speaker 11>exactly where to look that do not file file.

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<v Speaker 14>Bureau agents were told to attack the new Left by

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<v Speaker 14>disinformation and misinformation, and I.

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<v Speaker 19>Will give you.

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<v Speaker 11>Schwartz recounted a story from the first inauguration of Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 11>He told the committee how a protest group called the

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<v Speaker 11>National Mobilization to End the War in Vietnam had cooperated

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<v Speaker 11>with police and their efforts to keep demonstrations calm and organized,

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<v Speaker 11>but the FBI didn't want an orderly protest, they wanted chaos,

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<v Speaker 11>so they resorted to counterintelligence tactics.

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<v Speaker 14>Now what did the FBI do. They found out what

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<v Speaker 14>Citizen Band was being used for walkie talkies, and they

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<v Speaker 14>used that Citizen Band to supply the marshals with misinformation

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<v Speaker 14>and pretending to be a unit of the National Mobilization

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<v Speaker 14>to end the war in Vietnam, countermanded the orders issued

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<v Speaker 14>by the movement.

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<v Speaker 17>The bureau had targeted a lot of people that went

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<v Speaker 17>way beyond even spying. These documents made it clear that

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<v Speaker 17>the FBI was attacking these individuals, attempting to destroy their reputations.

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<v Speaker 11>As it turned out, investigating actual criminals took a back

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<v Speaker 11>seat to petty, vindictive harassment, like trying to get people fired.

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<v Speaker 11>They'd even contacted a bank in Wisconsin and urged them

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<v Speaker 11>not to give a home loan to a cub Scout

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<v Speaker 11>leader with Communist sympathies.

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<v Speaker 17>And I'll never forget going to visit Anatole Rappaport. He

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<v Speaker 17>wrote some of the pioneer work in game theory, so

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<v Speaker 17>he was one of America's finest intellectuals.

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<v Speaker 11>Rapaport was a Russian immigrant US Air Force veteran and

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<v Speaker 11>professor at the University of Michigan. He'd been at the

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<v Speaker 11>forefront of the teaching movement, inviting students to drop what

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<v Speaker 11>they were doing and join open discussions of what was

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<v Speaker 11>going on in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 17>Jego Hoover went after him like you wouldn't leave, through

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<v Speaker 17>anonymous letter, writing in particular, why well, First of all,

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<v Speaker 17>Rappaport had been born in Russia. Ooh, scary. So the

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<v Speaker 17>FBI began to send out these anonymous letters claiming that

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<v Speaker 17>Rappaport was a communist, that he was in control of

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<v Speaker 17>Moscow and KGB. The letters went to legislators in the

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<v Speaker 17>state of Michigan, went to university administrators, and to the

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<v Speaker 17>great shame of all of them involved, they believed these

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<v Speaker 17>stories and finally hounded Rappaport out of the University of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 11>By the time Locke learned that Rapaport had been a

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<v Speaker 11>target of co intel pro, Rapaport was living in Canada, and.

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<v Speaker 17>He sat down and leafed through these documents. As I

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<v Speaker 17>sat there, and he would shake his head and he

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<v Speaker 17>just couldn't believe that his own government, the Federal Bureau

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<v Speaker 17>of Investigation, had been the one behind all of these

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<v Speaker 17>attacks against him. And at the end of going a

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<v Speaker 17>couple of hours through these documents, he began to weep

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<v Speaker 17>so very sad spectacle. And that's just, you know, one

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<v Speaker 17>of probably two thousand ors so cases like throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 11>This was one of co intel Pro's favorite tactics, the

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<v Speaker 11>poison pen letter, usually sent anonymously or forged to employers, colleagues,

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<v Speaker 11>or even loved ones. At the hearings, Curtis Smothers was

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<v Speaker 11>visibly uncomfortable as he read aloud from a particularly disgusting example,

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<v Speaker 11>an anonymous letter sent by the FBI to the husband

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<v Speaker 11>of a white woman who was involved with a black

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<v Speaker 11>activist group.

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<v Speaker 19>Look, man, I guess your old lady doesn't get enough

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<v Speaker 19>at home. Oh, she wouldn't be shucking and jibing with

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<v Speaker 19>all black men in action, you did, Like, all she

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<v Speaker 19>wants to integrate is the bedroom.

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<v Speaker 11>Remember, the FBI was overwhelmingly white at this time. It

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<v Speaker 11>was almost certainly a white male FBI agent who wrote

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<v Speaker 11>these lines.

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<v Speaker 19>And us black sisters ain't gonna take no second best

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<v Speaker 19>for all men. It's signed a soul system.

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<v Speaker 11>The FBI used this same tactic against white actress Jean Seberg,

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<v Speaker 11>who was known for supporting groups like the NAACP and

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<v Speaker 11>the Black Panthers. When Sieberg became pregnant in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 11>the Los Angeles office of the FBI saw an opportunity

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<v Speaker 11>to neutralize her. With Hoover's approval, agents furnished fake letters

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<v Speaker 11>to a gossip columnist who reported in the La Times

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<v Speaker 11>that an anonymous actress matching Sieberg's description had cheated on

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<v Speaker 11>her husband with a Black Panther and was carrying his child.

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<v Speaker 11>Overwhelmed with stress from these public smears, Seeberg went into

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<v Speaker 11>premature labor, and the baby did not survive. Sieberg never recovered,

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<v Speaker 11>though she lived long enough to see the FBI's role

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<v Speaker 11>in the affair come to light. She died by suicide

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<v Speaker 11>in nineteen seventy nine, and then came the bureau's most

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<v Speaker 11>infamous poison pen letter of all. It would emerge as

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<v Speaker 11>part of the FBI's sweeping and relentless effort to disrupt

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<v Speaker 11>the civil rights movement. Co Intel profiles on doctor Martin

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<v Speaker 11>Luther King Junior revealed that Hoover had become paranoid to

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<v Speaker 11>the point of delusion.

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<v Speaker 19>By January of sixty two. Mister Hoover has already typed

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<v Speaker 19>doctor King as no good. Hoover is particularly disturbed after

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<v Speaker 19>in nineteen sixty three it became clear that the concept

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<v Speaker 19>of nonviolence was gaining adherents. Quoting from a memorandum, the

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<v Speaker 19>plan here is to completely discredit doctor King by quote,

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<v Speaker 19>taking him off his pedestal, and to reduce him completely

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<v Speaker 19>in influence.

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<v Speaker 11>In the wake of the nineteen sixty three March on

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<v Speaker 11>Washington for Jobs and Freedom, where King delivered his famous

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<v Speaker 11>I Have a Dream speech, Hoover had his men conduct

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<v Speaker 11>an exhaustive investigation and to ties between King and Soviet intelligence.

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<v Speaker 11>The connection between them, his agents reported back was quote infinitesimal.

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<v Speaker 14>This was not accepted by the director of the FBI.

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<v Speaker 14>He found that thinking wrong, unacceptable and said that it

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<v Speaker 14>must be changed, And it was changed.

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<v Speaker 11>Think about that for a second. When his own well

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<v Speaker 11>oiled investigative machine presented Hoover with facts that didn't line

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<v Speaker 11>up with his assumptions, he ordered his agents to ignore

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<v Speaker 11>those facts, and he launched an effort to destroy King anyway.

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<v Speaker 14>The lower level people in the FBI apologized for having

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<v Speaker 14>misunderstood matters, and on they go with this effort to

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<v Speaker 14>discredit and start they do the bugs on doctor King.

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<v Speaker 11>Eventually, an illegal bug picked up evidence that King was

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<v Speaker 11>having an affair. As he prepared to travel to Norway

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<v Speaker 11>to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, the FBI sent him

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<v Speaker 11>the ultimate poison pen letter.

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<v Speaker 14>The Bureau went so far as to mail anonymous letters

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<v Speaker 14>to doctor King and his wife, which were mailed shortly

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<v Speaker 14>before he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and finishes

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<v Speaker 14>with this suggestion, King, there is only one thing left

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<v Speaker 14>for you to do. You know what it is. You

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<v Speaker 14>have just thirty four days in which to do it.

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<v Speaker 14>This exact number has been selected for a specific reason.

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<v Speaker 14>It has definite practical significance. It was thirty four days

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<v Speaker 14>before the award.

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<v Speaker 1>You were done.

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<v Speaker 14>That was taken by doctor King to mean a suggestion

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<v Speaker 14>for suicide. Was it not understand, Senator who wrote the letter? Well,

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<v Speaker 14>that's a matter of dispute. It was found in the

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<v Speaker 14>files of mister Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 11>Schwartz was referring to FBI Director Bill Sullivan. Sullivan's name

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<v Speaker 11>was all over the co Intel pro documents. He'd helped

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<v Speaker 11>Hoover design the first co Intel pro operations back in

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<v Speaker 11>nineteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 14>He claims that it's a plant in his files and

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<v Speaker 14>that someone else in the Bureau in.

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<v Speaker 9>Fact wrote the document.

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<v Speaker 14>The document which was found is a draft of the letter,

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<v Speaker 14>which was the anonymous letter which was actually sent.

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<v Speaker 18>Is there right to dispute that the letter did in

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<v Speaker 18>fact come from the FBI.

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<v Speaker 9>We've heard no dispute of that.

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<v Speaker 11>As the Church Committee hearings went on, it became clear

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<v Speaker 11>that the FBI had strayed light years away from its mandate.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 11>The Bureau was supposed to enforce America's laws and prevent

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<v Speaker 11>criminal activity, but even when the targets were actual criminals,

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 11>co intel pro didn't appear at all interested in enforcing

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 11>the law.

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<v Speaker 17>We had one FBI informant who had infiltrated the Klan.

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<v Speaker 11>Shortly before he was set to testify. This informant, Gary

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<v Speaker 11>Thomas Rowe, told the Church Committee staff he didn't want

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 11>his face on camera. He had been a mole in

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 11>the Birmingham, Alabama KKK and if anyone recognized them, his

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<v Speaker 11>life might be in danger.

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<v Speaker 17>So we had him wear a mask with eye holes

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 17>and a mouth hole so he could.

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<v Speaker 1>Speak locks under selling it.

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<v Speaker 11>Roe basically testified before Congress with what looked kind of

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 11>like a diaper on his head. Just google Gary Rowe

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 11>Church Committee you'll see what I mean.

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<v Speaker 17>He told us that the FBI had told him, Look,

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<v Speaker 17>what we want you to do is go down there

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<v Speaker 17>and have affairs with clan members wives. And so the

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<v Speaker 17>word gets well this is going on and the Klan members'

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 17>families will be dissolved and disrupted.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, now that's a weird government assignment. But Roe was

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 11>also gathering some very valuable intel. He discovered that the

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 11>Birmingham chapter of the Klan was planning to assault the

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<v Speaker 11>Freedom Writers as they came through town. He even learned

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 11>that the local police were going to assist them by

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 11>looking the other way. So Roe did what an informant

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<v Speaker 11>is supposed to do. He informed his handlers that a

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 11>violent crime was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 14>Did you inform the FBI about planned violence prior to

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<v Speaker 14>that incident?

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<v Speaker 12>Sir I gave the FBI information pertanning to the Freedom Writers,

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<v Speaker 12>so approximately three weeks before the girth.

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<v Speaker 1>But the FBI did nothing.

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<v Speaker 11>On Mother's Day nineteen sixty one, the Freedom Writers reached

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<v Speaker 11>Birmingham and were brutally assaulted by the KKK.

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<v Speaker 12>They were big more badly Yes, there were a thousand

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<v Speaker 12>men at least almost day of the morning of the

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<v Speaker 12>Freedom Writers, just roaming up and down right in front

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 12>of city Hall. We had baseball bets, we had clubs,

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 12>we had chains, we had pistol sticking in our belts.

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<v Speaker 12>It was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 11>Later Rowe asked his handler why the g men hadn't

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<v Speaker 11>stepped in.

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 12>He said, we our investigating agency, not an enforcement agency.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 12>All we do is gather information, That was my answer.

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<v Speaker 11>Tens of thousands of quote subversives surveiled over the course

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<v Speaker 11>of decades, hundreds of illegal break ins, thousands of informants

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 11>and wiretaps. You think that casting a net this wide

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 11>the FBI would have prevented some crime or another, even

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 11>if it was by accident. Hadn't the GMN caught at

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 11>least one actual bad guy in all of this? Apparently not.

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 11>Just as blanket surveillance had failed to catch the media burglars,

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<v Speaker 11>a decade and a half of co intel pro operations

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<v Speaker 11>also failed to catch a single Communist agent or any

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 11>other criminal, Hoover's FBI had gotten people fired, broken up marriages,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 11>destabilized law abiding political groups, and sown a general sense

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 11>of paranoia throughout the American left. But years later, when

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 11>historian and FBI expert Athan Theoharis conducted an exhaustive analysis

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 11>of everything that had come to light, he reached a

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 11>devastating conclusion quote, I can think of no crime that

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<v Speaker 11>was stopped by information gained during co intel pro. Co

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 11>Intel pro hadn't saved a single American life. In fact,

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<v Speaker 11>as the Church Committee was about to learn, the opposite

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 11>was true, the FBI had American blood on its hands.

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<v Speaker 11>In nineteen sixty eight, j Edgar Hoover wrote a memo.

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<v Speaker 11>In it he urged his g men to quote prevent

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<v Speaker 11>the rise of a messiah who could unify and elect

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 11>the militant black nationalist movement. That movement and its leaders

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 11>became co intel pros chief targets, and.

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<v Speaker 17>Black Panthers, by the way, were the arch victims among

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 17>all the array of other victims from Anatole Rappertport to

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<v Speaker 17>doctor King to klueclickt Plan, you name it. The Black

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 17>Panthers and other black kind of extremist groups but non

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 17>violent and were the major targets that Hoover wanted to

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<v Speaker 17>destroy it.

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<v Speaker 20>He declares the Black Panther Party the greatest threat to

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<v Speaker 20>the internal security of the United States in nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 11>That's Donna Merch, a scholar of the Black Panther Party.

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<v Speaker 20>And does it it precisely the moment that the party

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<v Speaker 20>is turning away from its use of police patrols and

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 20>explicit arm self defense imagery.

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<v Speaker 11>These police patrols were organized groups of Black Panthers who

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 11>patrolled their neighborhood are in accordance with the Second Amendment

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 11>as a deterrent against police violence. They saw this as

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<v Speaker 11>an essential way to defend their communities against ongoing, unchecked

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 11>and widely accepted abuse from police. But Donna says the

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 11>Panthers were turning away from their focus on guns in

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 11>favor of social programs just as the FBI stepped up

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 11>its efforts against the Panthers. She told us the FBI's

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.439
<v Speaker 11>interest in the Panthers was never really about the threat

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 11>of violence, but about their ideas.

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<v Speaker 20>And so I think there was a real sense of

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 20>fright about the strength of their ideas and the depth

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 20>of support that they had within the black community, but

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 20>also among Mother Country radicals, among white college students, also

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:47.720
<v Speaker 20>white artists and writers. Because the Panthers were an intellectual movement.

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<v Speaker 10>It was just awakening, if you will, as what it

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 10>was to be a young black Afnan American.

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<v Speaker 11>This is Omar Barber again, whom you heard from at

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.720
<v Speaker 11>the top of this episode on a party.

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 10>One of the things we had to do was to

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<v Speaker 10>read and not only the autobioer Malcolm X, but James

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 10>Baldwins of various books as well as France Banon.

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 9>I reatch you out earth.

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<v Speaker 11>If this is different from the image you have in

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 11>your mind when you hear Black Panthers, that's probably because

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 11>the FBI was so successful in smearing them. The Panthers

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 11>were committed socialists. Fred Hampton's socialist principles compelled him to

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 11>feed the poor, educate kids, and reach out across racial lines.

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 11>In sixty eight, Hampton formed the Rainbow Coalition, a collection

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 11>of groups that were not natural allies. In fact, some

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 11>of them had actively fought against each other. They ranged

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 11>from street charities to street gangs, and from Chinese and

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 11>Puerto Rican revolutionaries to the Young Patriots Organization, a group

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 11>of poor white Appalachians who'd moved to Chicago to find work.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 11>Through the Rainbow Coalition, Fred demonstrated that these disparate movements

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 11>had a lot in common.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 10>But then he would articulate what that stand up living was,

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 10>that children's educations, the ability to feed themselves, and he

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 10>would say, look, that's the same problem we have down

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 10>in Bronsville in Chicago. He wasn't coming to those Appellachian

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 10>whites and saying, you know, your guys should come with us,

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 10>because we the better ones. And now he was saying,

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 10>you know, if you really look at your condition and

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 10>you understand it is because of capitalism.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 11>The Black Panther newspaper, which they distributed in cities all

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 11>over the country, was a visible reminder of their presence

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 11>and their political agenda. So were the Panthers food distribution programs.

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 11>Both became targets of the FBI.

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<v Speaker 20>They sprayed scatole, which is a foul smelling basically chemical

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 20>agent on the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 10>We used to get the paper shipped in from Oakland

0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 10>and to Kenney Airport. We go pick up the papers.

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<v Speaker 10>They would be destroyed what and we would get a

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 10>call from not to the workers say, man, you guys

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 10>been to go to papers. In fact, some of the

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 10>workers used to hide out papers for us to we

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 10>come get them, and stuff like.

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<v Speaker 20>That the breakfast programs had to constantly be moved, that

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 20>they were really trying to destroy the breakfast programs because

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<v Speaker 20>they meaning the FBI and local on state law enforcement,

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 20>they saw those as such a danger because of the

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 20>ways that they would influence parents and children and families.

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<v Speaker 11>Omar and a fellow Panthers knew they were being targeted

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 11>by the government, but it was never really clear exactly

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 11>who was behind it.

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 20>The core strategy is to criminalize and kill the leadership

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 20>of the party and the rank and file. At the

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 20>very least a third of the party was agen provocateurs

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 20>and informers.

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<v Speaker 11>Omar says, it's now clear that many of the people

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:54.280
<v Speaker 11>around him were working to undermine the Black Panther Party.

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 10>We had members who were doing stick ups, robbing people,

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<v Speaker 10>and doing other things, and we call them agent provocate tools.

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 11>These provocateurs would commit flagrant crimes like robberies and muggings,

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 11>and they would make sure that their actions implicated the

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 11>Panther organization, giving law enforcement an excuse to move in.

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 10>And subsequently we learned to find a lot of those

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 10>people where in fact, not only agent provocate tools, but

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 10>undercover officers, and.

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 20>You're inserting people into organizations to increase that level of

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 20>anger and to increase that level of violence, and often

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 20>inserting violence because that was a way to have people

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.800
<v Speaker 20>arrested and then locked away in prison.

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<v Speaker 11>The FBI strategy worked. The bureau successfully created deep rifts

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 11>within the party, using forged letters and agent provocateurs to

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 11>encourage violence and foster grievances. The same was true for

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.760
<v Speaker 11>the Black Panthers' relationships to other black organizations.

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<v Speaker 17>A special agent in San Diego wrote a classified letter

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<v Speaker 17>back to Jagger, who were saying, we've managed to convince

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 17>one black group in San Diego that the real enemies

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 17>are another black group, and we've got them into an argument,

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 17>and there have been some shootings and some killings between

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 17>these two groups. And we prevented them from concentrating on

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 17>civil rights by getting them involved in gang warfare against

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 17>each other. And that was a co Intel pro goal.

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 11>In nineteen sixty eight, co Intel Pro successfully framed a

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 11>Panther named Geronimo Pratt, who was arrested and convicted of

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 11>murdering a woman in Los Angeles. He spent twenty seven

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 11>years in prison before it was finally proven that Pratt

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 11>had been in Oakland, four hundred miles away.

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>At the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 11>The FBI had known Pratt was innocent the entire time,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 11>but they allowed him to spend nearly three decades in prison.

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 11>And then there was the case of Fred Hampton. The

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 11>Black Panthers, and many of had long been convinced that

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 11>Jay Edgar Hoover had assassinated Hampton. Now that Hoover was

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 11>dead and his secrets were out, the nation finally learned

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 11>the full story. In nineteen sixty seven, a young black

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 11>man named William O'Neil stole a car in Chicago, drove

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 11>it to Indiana, and abandoned it. Since he'd crossed state lines,

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 11>his crime was a federal one, so the FBI investigated.

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, an agent caught.

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<v Speaker 9>Up with O'Neil.

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<v Speaker 11>He told him that even though he was caught red handed,

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 11>there was no need to worry. They could work something out.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 11>He then asked O'Neill to infiltrate the Illinois Black Panther party.

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 11>O'Neill excelled as an informant. He ingratiated himself with the

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 11>Panthers and became head of security to their charismatic young leader,

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 11>Fred Hampton. In late nineteen sixty nine, O'Neill provided the

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 11>FBI with the address of the house where Hampton was staying.

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 11>He told them there were guns there, and he drew

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 11>a map of the house, even marking the location of

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 11>Fred Hampton's bed. On the night of December third, nineteen

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 11>sixty nine, O'Neil slipped a sedative into a glass of

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 11>kool aid and gave it to Chairman Fred and then departed.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 11>A few hours later, the police arrived and shot their

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<v Speaker 11>way into the apartment using the map. They went straight

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<v Speaker 11>to the bedroom and killed Fred Hampton in cold blood

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<v Speaker 11>as he lay drugged and knocked out in his bed.

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<v Speaker 11>O'Neil was not the last informant and Hampton was not

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<v Speaker 11>the last Panther to die.

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<v Speaker 10>Not only was it the organizations that were targeted Cointelpro,

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<v Speaker 10>but the greater Black community. There was a criminalation of

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<v Speaker 10>a people, a race of people, not just the organization

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<v Speaker 10>that may be and represented those people. That's the angle

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<v Speaker 10>that we still have to look at. There were a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of panthers that were killed in very unusual circumstances

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<v Speaker 10>that a lot of pants in that won in jail.

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<v Speaker 10>If the committee's invest atic guy had not uncovered those files,

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<v Speaker 10>I think we would have seen more desks.

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<v Speaker 11>As part of his research before the hearings, Locke Johnson

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<v Speaker 11>traveled to Boston to interview former FBI Assistant Director Bill Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 11>one of the chief architects of co Intel pro Now.

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<v Speaker 11>He was sitting directly across from Locke in a private

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<v Speaker 11>room at Logan Airport.

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<v Speaker 17>And I asked him, how could you have done these things?

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<v Speaker 17>How could you have tried to destroy anatole, rappaport and

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<v Speaker 17>doctor King and the hundreds upon hundreds of other people

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<v Speaker 17>in the civil rights movement and in the anti war

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<v Speaker 17>protest movement. How could you have done that to these

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<v Speaker 17>people who weren't breaking any laws, that they were expressing

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<v Speaker 17>their views. And he said, that's what Hoover wanted me

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<v Speaker 17>to do. And I had a mortgage on my house

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<v Speaker 17>and I had three kids in college. I reminded me

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<v Speaker 17>of Hannah Urant's banality of evil. Help people do the

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<v Speaker 17>most awful things for the most mundane reasons. It was

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<v Speaker 17>really quite shocking. You know the old cliche about you

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<v Speaker 17>could hear a pin drop, That's exactly what it was.

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<v Speaker 17>In the Russell.

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<v Speaker 11>Auditorium after hearing the facts of Cotel pro laid out

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<v Speaker 11>before the Church Committee. Michigan Senator Philip Hart spoke up.

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<v Speaker 8>I've been told for years by, among others, some of

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<v Speaker 8>my own family that this is exactly what the Bureau

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<v Speaker 8>was doing all the time, And in my great wisdom

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<v Speaker 8>in high office, I assured them they were on pot.

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<v Speaker 9>This just wasn't true, couldn't happen. They wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 11>Heart was nearing the end of his third and final

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<v Speaker 11>term in the Senate. His health was declining. In fact,

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<v Speaker 11>according to Locke, Heart had to miss some of the

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<v Speaker 11>hearings for medical reasons, but he had heard enough.

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<v Speaker 8>What you've described is a series of illegal actions intended

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<v Speaker 8>squarely to deny First Amendment rights to some Americans. The trick, now,

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<v Speaker 8>as I say it, Miss Chairman, is for this committee

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<v Speaker 8>to be able to figure out how to persuade the

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<v Speaker 8>people of this country that indeed it did go on,

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<v Speaker 8>and how shall we ensure that it never happened again.

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<v Speaker 17>And it was kind of a turning point in which

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<v Speaker 17>even the three conservative Republicans sort of had an epiphany

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<v Speaker 17>that the FBI had really gone way too far. They

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<v Speaker 17>had no accountability, and the anchor of democracy is accountability.

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<v Speaker 11>As he filled the questions from the Church committee, visibly

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<v Speaker 11>sweaty and red as a phone tapping Tomato. FBI Deputy

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<v Speaker 11>Associate Director James Adams acknowledged that the Bureau had strayed

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<v Speaker 11>from its mission. He encouraged Congress to give them some

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<v Speaker 11>quote guidelines, at which point Frank Church reminded him that

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<v Speaker 11>he already had some you know, laws.

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<v Speaker 18>You shouldn't have ever had to have had guidelines to

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<v Speaker 18>tell you that the federal government's chief law enforcement agency

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<v Speaker 18>ought not to disobey the law. And really, you don't

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<v Speaker 18>need explicit guidelines to.

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<v Speaker 9>Tell you that, or you shouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 18>Wouldn't you agree?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that, looking at it today, we should

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<v Speaker 3>have looked at it that way yesterday.

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<v Speaker 11>Hindsight's twenty twenty Congress wasn't going to accept that old

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<v Speaker 11>chestnut and leave it at that. In the wake of

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<v Speaker 11>the Church hearings, it passed a new law limiting future

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<v Speaker 11>FBI directors to a term of ten years.

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<v Speaker 17>Finally, seventy five, we began to do something in the

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<v Speaker 17>United States of America about secret power, the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 17>power of all, and we tried to tame secret power

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<v Speaker 17>by creating a House and sidate Intelligence Committee.

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<v Speaker 11>It sounds crazy now, but the Church Committee really was

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<v Speaker 11>the first time that Congress ever held the FBI to account.

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<v Speaker 11>In the wake of these revelations, both Houses of Congress

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<v Speaker 11>eventually voted to keep permanent standing committees to review what

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<v Speaker 11>intelligence agencies were doing, which they still do today. The

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<v Speaker 11>media burglars watched the hearings unfold, unable to discuss them

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<v Speaker 11>with each other or take any credit for the crucial

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<v Speaker 11>role they'd played.

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<v Speaker 21>It was very exciting when the Church Committee decided to

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<v Speaker 21>take us on.

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<v Speaker 9>This is fabulous.

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<v Speaker 21>I wasn't sure it was going to rise to that level,

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<v Speaker 21>but I thought it was amazing. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 21>had raised the coniousness in the whole country about the FBI.

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<v Speaker 22>I had sort of a feeling of, well, finally, you know,

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<v Speaker 22>not that I expected a whole lot out of it,

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<v Speaker 22>but at least it was, you know, the Congress is

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<v Speaker 22>acknowledging the you know, the anti democratic stuff that had

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<v Speaker 22>been going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Our hope was that there would be serious oversight of

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI and the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>Long overdue in this so called democracy.

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<v Speaker 17>If you look at the history of Jaegar Hoover, it

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<v Speaker 17>was the most damaging act against him in that long history.

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<v Speaker 17>In my view, there were more heroes and burglars because

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<v Speaker 17>it brought to light the fact that cointelpro and the

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<v Speaker 17>counter intelligence program of the FBI existed.

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<v Speaker 11>Next on SNAFU, the fallout from the Church Committee revelations,

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<v Speaker 11>What are.

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<v Speaker 9>We going to do about this? Easy as We're going

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<v Speaker 9>to get?

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<v Speaker 11>The time of Goodbye, the final chapters of our burglar stories.

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<v Speaker 9>I Changed, Sinning and Sorry, My Underground Life.

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<v Speaker 1>And a Return to the Scene of the Crime.

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<v Speaker 11>season of Snapfoo is based on the book The Burglary

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<v Speaker 11>The Discovery of Jay Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI, written by

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<v Speaker 11>Betty Metzger.

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<v Speaker 11>was written by Albert Chen, Sarah Joyner, and Stephen Wood,

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<v Speaker 11>Daniel Welsh and Ben Riizak. Additional thanks to director Joanna

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<v Speaker 11>Hamilton for letting us use some of the original interviews

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<v Speaker 11>from her incredible documentary nineteen seventy one. Finally, our deepest

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<v Speaker 11>gratitude to the courageous Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI,

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<v Speaker 11>John Rains, Sarah Schumer and Bob Williamson.