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Speaker 1: Phillips and Bill Jones. Football is back at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. As it's yet another training camp day a Thursday.
Speaker 1: You've got one on Friday as well, as fans are
Speaker 1: making their way to the Star to watch this morning's
Speaker 1: practice which gets underway at eleven am. I have another
Speaker 1: opportunity on Friday morning, and we are at half strength
Speaker 1: as we begin this edition of Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones
Speaker 1: with Brian brought us. Hello sir, Good morning Brian, thank you,
Speaker 1: Good morning to you as well. We've got some injury
Speaker 1: news to get into all right off the top of course,
Speaker 1: and we're missing We will start with the illness that
Speaker 1: is crept into the lineup here on Talking Cowboys as
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips a little under the weather this morning. The weather,
Speaker 1: so Rob is not here with us today. We expect
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola in a matter of moments. He has another
Speaker 1: broadcasting respect Hurricane get ready he's gonna come rolling in here.
Speaker 1: There'll be papers all over the counter, He'll he'll act
Speaker 1: all flustered, he will be he'll put on his headset
Speaker 1: and then and then he'll be ready to go, and
Speaker 1: he did you miss me? And we'll all have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that he just rolled in like a
Speaker 1: something that we would see on the Weather channel, hurricane
Speaker 1: Hurricane Mickey will come rolling in here and he will well,
Speaker 1: what do you talk about since I was gone? You know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you do with Mickey. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So let's and he'll get into this when he rolls
Speaker 1: in here at a moment. But of course, the big
Speaker 1: news around here concerns Travis Frederick and the announcement last
Speaker 1: night that Travis is dealing with Guion Barre syndrome. And
Speaker 1: right off the top, I'll read the statement from Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick that he released last night. After very extensive examination
Speaker 1: a discovery process over the past few weeks, I have
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with having Guion Barre syndrome, which is an
Speaker 1: autoimmune disease. In the last forty eight hours, I have
Speaker 1: received two treatments that address my condition, and I am
Speaker 1: feeling much better from an overall strength perspective. I will
Speaker 1: continue these treatments over the next few days. I am
Speaker 1: very optimistic about my condition and the immediate future, as
Speaker 1: I have been told that the illness was detected at
Speaker 1: a fairly early stage. My doctors have told me that
Speaker 1: it is not possible to determine a timetable for a
Speaker 1: return to the field right now, but I am hopeful
Speaker 1: that I will be able to play as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: I am deeply grateful for all of the people who
Speaker 1: have expressed concern from me throughout the past four weeks,
Speaker 1: and my teammates and the Cowboys organization had provided me
Speaker 1: and my family with tremendous support. So when you got
Speaker 1: that news, what did you think, Well, you know, last night, Bill,
Speaker 1: you know, we were all sitting there and we saw
Speaker 1: the release just what you just read. You know, had
Speaker 1: a feeling that something more was to this. The fact
Speaker 1: that he had gone to doctor Watkins in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and doctor Watkins said there's no structural damage, there's maybe rest,
Speaker 1: you know, as prescribed. But then when he had when
Speaker 1: when other specialists became involved, then you're starting to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: there could be something more here. Now, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like that he was going to have some disease that
Speaker 1: was going to attack his you know, immune system and
Speaker 1: things like that. But you knew there was something else happening.
Speaker 1: And I I you know, as a as a former
Speaker 1: personnel man, you look at these things and you know
Speaker 1: he goes the the first thing every says, well, why
Speaker 1: us why that's the devastating For yeah, it's a devastating thing.
Speaker 1: But as a personnel guy, you can't put your head
Speaker 1: in the sand here, you know, you can't. He's going
Speaker 1: to get all the treatment he can. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: back as soon as he can. But then you find ways. Okay,
Speaker 1: with this setback, how do you work around it? You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about Joe Looney, you talk about other ways
Speaker 1: to bring in things, but I I just it's from
Speaker 1: a from a from a medical standpoint. You're you're he's
Speaker 1: in great hands with these The Cowboys have always had
Speaker 1: the best and the brightest and specialists, you know'll send
Speaker 1: you all over the country, all over the world, whatever
Speaker 1: they have to do to get your help. So that
Speaker 1: part of it, I think is taken care of. And
Speaker 1: you have to have faith that what they do, Uh,
Speaker 1: personnel wise, will will make do until Travis Frederick returns.
Speaker 1: As we welcome in Mickey Spagnola, who has done with
Speaker 1: his other responsibilities. I beamed in. You didn't even see
Speaker 1: me walk in, did you, or at least on camera? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: and we read the statement that Travis released last night,
Speaker 1: and what was your take when you when you heard
Speaker 1: this is what he's been dealing with. Well, it was
Speaker 1: another step in my medical degree covering the National Football League,
Speaker 1: because I have to admit I'd never heard of this
Speaker 1: uh syndrome whatsoever. So you kind of read up about it,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like and again I don't know that
Speaker 1: we know everything, but it sounds like that they caught
Speaker 1: this early what he said. Yeah, and and by catching
Speaker 1: it early, it seems like it uh maximizes your ability
Speaker 1: to recover from it, uh sooner than than later. So um,
Speaker 1: if there's a you know a good thing in any
Speaker 1: of this, it's it's the fact that they did catch it.
Speaker 1: Uh that And maybe you give Travis some credit for saying,
Speaker 1: I'm not just accepting I'm getting stingers. Let's let's investing
Speaker 1: a little fur last for a little while, and goes away,
Speaker 1: so absolute and That's the thing. When I think once
Speaker 1: he got the news from the specialist there in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: I think he's thinking, Okay, there's something else wrong with
Speaker 1: me here, and it sounds like that a blood test
Speaker 1: was provided and once they figured out they say, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what you have when they look at the
Speaker 1: symptoms the blood test, and you know, we should have
Speaker 1: we should have known something was up when the specialist
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles basically said, hey, there's no structural damage,
Speaker 1: maybe something else was going to symptoms something and persist
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was weakening, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, this is more than just stingers. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something that I shouldn't be feeling here. And
Speaker 1: you know, Travis is Travis is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: It's always in the way room. He knows his body.
Speaker 1: He's always been in condition. So you know, professional, Yeah,
Speaker 1: professional athletes know when something's not right. And that's h
Speaker 1: you know, that's like Mickey said, hopefully that they found
Speaker 1: things early enough and he's already started the treatments and
Speaker 1: hopefully the treatments work for him for hitting only for
Speaker 1: you know, more importantly, for the quality of his life.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a very very serious disease if not
Speaker 1: treated correctly, and it sounds like people that have had
Speaker 1: it previously. Uh. And it wasn't detected right away. It
Speaker 1: became a prolonged thing. I was listening to a little
Speaker 1: bit of the cuts from Mark Schlareff. Uh. They had
Speaker 1: him on the fan last night, and Uh, it sounded
Speaker 1: his was a year long Yeah, ninety three season and
Speaker 1: affected his Todd Archers also had this disease and he
Speaker 1: and he wrote about it. Yeah, he wrote about it
Speaker 1: and and Todd I was talking to him about it
Speaker 1: last night and he says, you know, treatments are far
Speaker 1: far better than what we had in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: But he goes, it's a very it's a very scary
Speaker 1: situation to fill your body the way that is. So
Speaker 1: let's in thoughts and prayers with Travis and hopefully things
Speaker 1: work out. For When I saw the list of people
Speaker 1: that have had it, another friend of at least mine,
Speaker 1: I think you guys might know him. And Pascarelli had
Speaker 1: Atlanta Constitutional and then he was with ESPN R and
Speaker 1: um he suffered from it too, and I remember seeing
Speaker 1: him and it kind of diminished him absolutely greatly. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see where this uh goes. But again it's and
Speaker 1: at least Travis sounded upbeat about it that Okay, we
Speaker 1: know where we're going now, and we can treat this
Speaker 1: thing and I can go forward. So but I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody really knows a timetable of how long. There's
Speaker 1: no way to predict that, right, right. I think I
Speaker 1: think just from again from a personal aspect of I
Speaker 1: think you have to assume he's not going to be
Speaker 1: playing this year. That's okay, that's I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say I'm not dooming glooming in here. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're thinking about it, when you tell me,
Speaker 1: I have no timetable. You know, with a hamstring, I
Speaker 1: could generally Britt Brown and Jim Mayer can generally tell me, hey,
Speaker 1: he needs five weeks off, he needs six weeks off.
Speaker 1: You know, this is what we have. We have to
Speaker 1: treat this injury. This is one of those you don't know,
Speaker 1: and you know they can they can keep him on.
Speaker 1: They can keep him on the active roster and go
Speaker 1: week to week on an inactive thing until they feel
Speaker 1: But I think from a personnel aspect. You have to
Speaker 1: prepare that you're not going to have him this entire season,
Speaker 1: you know, And and I'm not trying to minimize this,
Speaker 1: but I think you almost put him in the same
Speaker 1: category we've put David Irving in. I can't count on
Speaker 1: it if I get something great, right, but I can't
Speaker 1: sit here and structure my roster right for the first
Speaker 1: week of the season thinking, Okay, in four weeks, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have Travis fred. But do you structure your roster
Speaker 1: at the countdown date where you have him on the
Speaker 1: active I guess you wait until you've got the full report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: September first, on right on day right, okay, where is
Speaker 1: he at right now? You could put him on. Then
Speaker 1: you could keep him on so that he's on the
Speaker 1: fifty three, and then the next day you put him
Speaker 1: onjored reserve where you can return after eight weeks of
Speaker 1: the That's exactly That's exactly the plan right there. And
Speaker 1: like a like I said, there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: ways you can play this. If if the doctors feel
Speaker 1: like that, Okay, the treatment he's had so far, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's making great progress right now, then maybe you do
Speaker 1: just keep him on the active roster and inactive and
Speaker 1: make him inactive every week until maybe this is a
Speaker 1: three week injury, maybe it's a four but if it
Speaker 1: turns into more than eight weeks, you didn't go ahead
Speaker 1: and put him on injured reserve and get the spot.
Speaker 1: But you would think that even the best case scenario
Speaker 1: here in a few weeks he's able to return to
Speaker 1: football activities, that his strength needs to be built up.
Speaker 1: That's the hope. That's the hope. And that's where again,
Speaker 1: you know where the countdown, the cutdown day is looming
Speaker 1: here quickly, right. You know we're gonna have this game
Speaker 1: over a week away. Yeah, you're gonna have this game.
Speaker 1: So I have a feeling they have yet eight days away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling they have a plan. They could
Speaker 1: they know more, Yeah, they can know more with if
Speaker 1: they do another treatment. It's like, boy, he's making great progress.
Speaker 1: This appears to be working the right way. You know that,
Speaker 1: that's your hope. But like Mickey said, you can't tell
Speaker 1: me when he's coming back. Definitely, then I have to
Speaker 1: feel like that I'm not going to play with this
Speaker 1: guy because I you know, I've got a structure my
Speaker 1: team in a way that. Okay, I could put him
Speaker 1: down for eight weeks and see what happens, or or
Speaker 1: I can in activate him every week and maybe in
Speaker 1: a month's time four games he's back with you. That's
Speaker 1: that's the unknown right now. This is another one of
Speaker 1: those things where you really have to rely on the
Speaker 1: medical people, the best prognosis or the best you know,
Speaker 1: long range specialists term on this whole thing so you
Speaker 1: would have a better feel. So my my instructions or
Speaker 1: whatever to the fans out there, not everybody's case is
Speaker 1: the same. No, right, So everybody's got a story about
Speaker 1: having this or having dealt with it. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: always the same. And there's can be specialists out there
Speaker 1: that have dealt with this, but they haven't dealt with
Speaker 1: this case. And I'm going to give you a very
Speaker 1: good example. There's a doctor out in former team physician
Speaker 1: out in San Diego who basically came out and say,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith will never play football again. That's true. And
Speaker 1: he had no inner knowledge of the knee, who did
Speaker 1: the surgery, how the surgery was done. And I've seen
Speaker 1: already he's already, oh this is you know, this is bad.
Speaker 1: He may not play football. Well, let's just kind of
Speaker 1: ease back and let the boys, doctors and the specialists
Speaker 1: that are here in Dallas that are actually dealing with
Speaker 1: him kind of give us an idea of what's going on.
Speaker 1: Not everybody that is an expert, because they don't know
Speaker 1: this case particular. There are cases where what I've read anyway,
Speaker 1: there are cases where people are able to come back
Speaker 1: within a few weeks. Right now are cases that linger
Speaker 1: on absolutely facts. A professional athlete helps exactly exactly. I've
Speaker 1: got a friend who contracted West Nile virus and then
Speaker 1: he got gian bare and he's so he was in
Speaker 1: a weekend state, and he's still dealing with the after effects.
Speaker 1: And he's thirty years older than what Travis Frederick is sure,
Speaker 1: you know, And so they're all different cases. From a
Speaker 1: roster standpoint. The Cowboys were already down Marcus Martin Okay,
Speaker 1: hurts a little ed terry or offensive lineman who was
Speaker 1: in position. I mean they signed him in the offseason
Speaker 1: basically to be a backup at either a center or
Speaker 1: a guard position. Joe Looney of course, moves into the
Speaker 1: starting lineup at center. But they even without the Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick and Drew they were they were in the market
Speaker 1: to acquire an interior offensive lineman. Yeah, no question. We
Speaker 1: talked about this on our show that you know, if
Speaker 1: the positions that we were looking at, we were thinking
Speaker 1: offensive line was one that you'd have to make a
Speaker 1: claim or trade or something to to try and shore
Speaker 1: some things up. We weren't very We weren't thrilled with
Speaker 1: the backups. We had questions about Cadeem Edwards and really
Speaker 1: is he the eighth guy? Is there somebody better out there?
Speaker 1: We we focus so much on this team that we
Speaker 1: don't know really what's on. I mean, I did a
Speaker 1: little research of some guys, especially with last night, you know,
Speaker 1: with this injury. Are there backup centers out there? No,
Speaker 1: they're really not. There's not at all. And the guys
Speaker 1: that have had experienced there's a couple that have retired.
Speaker 1: They retired guys would from buffers, Yeah, exactly. So there's
Speaker 1: some Gerard Holly Holly, there was a guy that rights
Speaker 1: working the defensive line right now. But yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: the the prospects of going and getting at and then
Speaker 1: you look at Okay, is there a guy that's a
Speaker 1: guard that can play in the prospects there are not there,
Speaker 1: so yeah, this is gonna have to be. You know,
Speaker 1: they signed a kid, you know, from South Dakota State,
Speaker 1: Jacob Osanji. Yes, from South Dakota, right, and I sat
Speaker 1: down and watch tape of him. You know, he's probably
Speaker 1: what you would sign after the draft. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard was on the same team at South Dakota States.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of Dallas Goddard making plays, you
Speaker 1: know for that. But yeah, he's a he's a guy.
Speaker 1: He's you know, just watching him play, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a you know, two hundred ninety five pound guys, sixty
Speaker 1: three he's got. He does a nice job of playing
Speaker 1: on his feet. He has some of the traits that
Speaker 1: they're going to ask some of these offensive lineman to
Speaker 1: do now. And that's with the with the pulling, the
Speaker 1: space stuff and all that. Uh, you know that part
Speaker 1: of it's all been really really good. When he's uncovered,
Speaker 1: I thought he did a nice job of getting to
Speaker 1: the second level when he had to get there. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's guy's a three time captain. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of really positive things about it. But like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played you know, at the NFL level right now.
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of where they're at right now.
Speaker 1: They've got to figure out. They've got Joe Looney, who
Speaker 1: we all have thought very well of Joe Looney since
Speaker 1: we've seen him at training camp. I felt like Joe
Speaker 1: Looney has remade his body. I compared it to what
Speaker 1: Ron Leary did when when Lyle Collins went out, you know,
Speaker 1: with injury what happened, Joe Looney was ready to play,
Speaker 1: and Joe Looney never uh Ron Learry was ready to
Speaker 1: play and he when he when he had to play,
Speaker 1: he never gave up the job. You know, even though
Speaker 1: Collins was coming back, they kept with Ron, and but
Speaker 1: Ron remade his body. He got in better condition. I
Speaker 1: think Joe Looney has shown the same types of traits
Speaker 1: And is it a drop off, yes, but is it
Speaker 1: going completely off the cliff, No, it's not so. I
Speaker 1: feel like though that it will be a good transition
Speaker 1: for somebody. Now they got to get somebody behind him.
Speaker 1: That's going to be the trick. That's a difficult part
Speaker 1: because the only other guy that that that they've put
Speaker 1: his hand on the ball is Dustin Stanton, And we're
Speaker 1: talking another guy that hasn't probably not in the league, right,
Speaker 1: probably not good enough. And and you know you've already
Speaker 1: got a rookie left guard who's starting, who's not taking
Speaker 1: a snap in the league. Um so Saints worked him
Speaker 1: as center. By the way, you know when you when
Speaker 1: you brought up Looney, how about this how it took place?
Speaker 1: Because you know last year, the year before, Sure it's
Speaker 1: jumbo Joe right, funny guying the clown. Yeah, And for
Speaker 1: some reason this offseason, after he had his wrist surgery
Speaker 1: and he didn't get to participate in No ta's A
Speaker 1: mini camps, It's like he took his rehab seriously. He
Speaker 1: took his conditioning seriously, he took his strength work seriously,
Speaker 1: and as Brian said, he kind of remade himself. And
Speaker 1: we're looking at him going, well, this is kind of
Speaker 1: a serious football player now, and why would that you
Speaker 1: know what if that hattn't taken place? No, that's that's
Speaker 1: the Yeah. I don't I want to say it's a miracle,
Speaker 1: but it's a godsend. Well, the wrist surgery probably made
Speaker 1: him realize that, you know what, I've got to be
Speaker 1: more serious about my craft. And you're right, I think
Speaker 1: that Joe has always been a guy. You go up
Speaker 1: and he's a clown guy. You go up and use
Speaker 1: it for social media. Yeah, he's a fun guy. We're
Speaker 1: soccer jerseys. You know he'll interact with you instead. I
Speaker 1: need a guy like that on the team, right. It
Speaker 1: reminds me Kevin Gogan. Yea, yeah, dress us up like Zeke,
Speaker 1: you know, funny guy. But you're thinking, okay, now he
Speaker 1: has to play. But I think what we've seen the
Speaker 1: last twenty five days or so of practice is he's
Speaker 1: taken his job seriously, and you know, when they've asked
Speaker 1: him to play. When this whole thing we found out
Speaker 1: what was going on with Travis Frederick, he's been in
Speaker 1: there playing well. And I don't think there's you know this,
Speaker 1: like I say, a huge drop off. The guy played
Speaker 1: fifty five or so plays the other day, you know,
Speaker 1: in a preseason game, and you think, boy, that would
Speaker 1: be kind of tough. But you know he was just
Speaker 1: fine doing that, never complained about it, did his job,
Speaker 1: went about his business and all that. So if you're
Speaker 1: going to have something happened to a center, you know,
Speaker 1: it looks like Joe Looney has has stepped up and said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm ready to do what I have to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: we thought we talked about this yesterday, sorry, Bill, and
Speaker 1: we'd kind of dismissed it. Right, Cameron Fleming's a tackle
Speaker 1: that he has played some guard right in the NFL? Right,
Speaker 1: is is he lacking at guard better than some guy
Speaker 1: that's never take a snap at guard if they needed
Speaker 1: a backup guard. This is where this is where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with that. What happened last year when they
Speaker 1: took your backup tackle and made him a guard. I'm
Speaker 1: not a point I am not. I am not as Greeny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i Am not going to sit there and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: less with that. I'm gonna let that kid take every
Speaker 1: single rep at tackle that he can take when he
Speaker 1: plays in these preseason games. Whatever he has to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Cam Fleming play every single rep at
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I will find a guard. I am not gonna.
Speaker 1: I am not gonna sacrifice making him have to play
Speaker 1: another position to both It's more important to me to
Speaker 1: have a backup tackle than it is to have a
Speaker 1: guy as a backup guard. That's just me. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm back on Joe Looney. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: remember he was a fourth round pick of San Francisco
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Yes, and he's smart and he's a
Speaker 1: wake for guy that you're he's gonna know what to do.
Speaker 1: He's a veteran guy. I think the fact, like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: that he has remade his body tells you how important
Speaker 1: it is to him now. He realizes, Hey, I'm at
Speaker 1: a point in my time my career that you know,
Speaker 1: I could be the class clown, but I've also might
Speaker 1: have to play You remember one on ones in Oxnard. Yes,
Speaker 1: Saint Luney was strong holding Yeah, and yeah, there was
Speaker 1: there was a lot of really good battles inside with him.
Speaker 1: Anything with Travis, Yes, yeah, I did too, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was it was. It kind of made me go, huh.
Speaker 1: He's always been a billy to billy kind of a
Speaker 1: blocker because he gets guys real tight and then he
Speaker 1: sets his hands. But there was some statement he mentioned
Speaker 1: the having gratitude for people, for the people in the
Speaker 1: organization sticking by him the last four weeks. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think he's maybe been having some of these symptoms.
Speaker 1: There's no questions he was getting Yeah, instances where he
Speaker 1: doesn't normally normally it was like a strength thing. Well,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of one of the reasons. That was
Speaker 1: the one thing that we saw in Antoine Woods that
Speaker 1: made us after the Antoine Woods and Travis Frederick dust up, right,
Speaker 1: we kind of thought thought, boy, that's really stupid by
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods. And then what did Antoine would start doing?
Speaker 1: He started playing better, you know, he started actually and
Speaker 1: but maybe you know, maybe he was taking advantage of
Speaker 1: of of a weekend Travis Frederick. And we were all like, man,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with Travis Frederick? And now we know not
Speaker 1: that Antoine Woods. Antoine Woods won a lot of reps, right,
Speaker 1: but that was kind of a little bit of a sign.
Speaker 1: And maybe he thought it was this he was losing
Speaker 1: strength in his shoulder, but there was a reason why
Speaker 1: blood test. Good point, Bill, Yeah, and another point. And
Speaker 1: before we take up our first break here, Gil Brandt
Speaker 1: yesterday I either either tweeter editors I saw it. They
Speaker 1: actually he was on his radio show. He said that
Speaker 1: he considers Travis Frederick to be one of the five
Speaker 1: best centers he has seen in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Trakes, you feel worse now, well, because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know Gil been involved in
Speaker 1: the national football Yeah, I don't know. If they asked
Speaker 1: you the question Mickey on win oh five three this morning,
Speaker 1: I know they asked me. You know the traits of
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. I think we all know what Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: can do. I think his best trade is his ability
Speaker 1: to cut the defense in half. And I mean that
Speaker 1: that he could play front side secure and then play backside.
Speaker 1: If you look at the way Ezekiel Elliott runs the
Speaker 1: football with vision, it's attack and then cut. It's cut
Speaker 1: and then attack, or you know he's Travis Frederick gives
Speaker 1: you options with the middle in the middle of that
Speaker 1: offense because his ability to get a block at second
Speaker 1: level after securing first level block. So when I say
Speaker 1: cut the defense in half, there's that natural lane in
Speaker 1: the middle because of his ability to how he plays
Speaker 1: front side, backside, and then at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: Unless you have really watched Travis Frederick, you don't understand
Speaker 1: the athleticism that he has. Credible, yes, And one of
Speaker 1: the one of the ways that we can see it
Speaker 1: is in pregame warmups. He and Zach Martin are all
Speaker 1: always out there. Uh, This is an hour before the
Speaker 1: team comes out. They're the first ones out on the
Speaker 1: field and they're playing ketch. Yeah, and they were throwing
Speaker 1: routes to each other at the corner of the end
Speaker 1: zone and tapping and you know, get tapping to uh
Speaker 1: get both feet in bounds. I mean, that's your center
Speaker 1: and guard. Let me tell you this, and we've all
Speaker 1: known this as well. Travis Frederick has been a day
Speaker 1: one starter. He was a plug and play player. They
Speaker 1: drafted him and he went from first day. They put
Speaker 1: him right in there in center, put him right in
Speaker 1: there at center, and he has not missed a snap since. Which,
Speaker 1: by the way, when people talk about, okay, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: the Saints worked him out at center or whatever and that, okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got some trades to be a center and
Speaker 1: and relate it to Travis Frederick. Well, Travis Frederick first
Speaker 1: day at Valley Ranch, he comes in there and they
Speaker 1: are teaching him the NFL position of the center and
Speaker 1: never missed a beat and straight. And I'm talking from
Speaker 1: a mental standpoint as much as anything. That Connor Williams
Speaker 1: stays at left guard. Oh yeah, absolutely. The people will
Speaker 1: ask would you move would you consider. I just do
Speaker 1: know for a fact, though I watched the workout myself
Speaker 1: in Austin. They did work him out as a center,
Speaker 1: So I mean, if right, right, but but I keep
Speaker 1: you can see that, yeah, you know, but the athletic ability,
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic at this stage, eight days before cut down day,
Speaker 1: that you're going to move a rookie to center, and well,
Speaker 1: I think it would be disasters. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, if nothing else, Looney's got the
Speaker 1: mental part down. There's no question. I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: sharp up there right now. Travis is really sharp. I
Speaker 1: bet he never misses a fall or well, you think
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Speaker 1: that was one of the treatments you can have for this.
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Speaker 1: they got to take your the plasma or your blood
Speaker 1: and they reinject it. But the hemoglobin, Uh, in Jeckson's
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Speaker 1: he's already had a couple. I guess he's got a
Speaker 1: pick line. So a pickline, Yeah, it's in your hand.
Speaker 1: I had a pick line. Yeah, I was having to medicine,
Speaker 1: had a pickline, had a stick in you every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. Yeah, I know, I'm cringing. I'm so
Speaker 1: cringing right now. Cringe. It's really I hate needles. It
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt, and I know I hate needles. Run stop,
Speaker 1: Bill stop and io and that might have been what
Speaker 1: they what they've done. Oh I'm the one when they
Speaker 1: try to. I I'm just like cringing right now if
Speaker 1: it's not like a really Mickey professional person. Mickey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really bad where they screwed up the first time,
Speaker 1: and then it's what are the what are the downsides
Speaker 1: of having dark skin? They can't find your veins? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mickey, it's not bad. No offense to all
Speaker 1: the nurses out there, male, female, just it's it's it's
Speaker 1: needle stop. Let's stop, stop stop stop. Oh well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Kent if we have a phone called soon,
Speaker 1: I hope. Yeah. Yeah, we got a phone call from
Speaker 1: anybody Taylor, Scott and White, got anybody ever there wants
Speaker 1: to talk about sticking people? Uh yeah, for lns are
Speaker 1: open two two ninety seven and they're actually ringing right now,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna answer them, all right, So just let
Speaker 1: us know when you've got someone lined up and there
Speaker 1: is practice out here eleven am, and we are predicting
Speaker 1: that they will be in shells and shorts. Are we
Speaker 1: I got a feeling? Yeah, we kind of. Mickey and
Speaker 1: I have done some TV work to kind of give
Speaker 1: some folks some welcomes. We kind of set it up
Speaker 1: like we were going to have a practice where it
Speaker 1: was gonna be that way. So okay, hopefully they have
Speaker 1: to follow suit. Hopefully they will follow suit. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're in pads, it'll be today only, today only. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this will be the last you look at ads until
Speaker 1: the first week of the regular season and Wednesday before
Speaker 1: the first game, right, yes, yes, because next week, two
Speaker 1: weeks form, you're only going to practice one. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a practice today, shorter practice Tomorrow, Friday
Speaker 1: before a Sunday game, and then so you play on
Speaker 1: Sunday off, Monday off, Monday practice Tuesday, which is also
Speaker 1: open to the public here at the start at eleven
Speaker 1: am Tuesday. Travel, you're traveling Wednesday, you're playing Thursday. You're
Speaker 1: cutting the roster Friday, Saturday day, and they'll have that
Speaker 1: weekend off and be back here the following Monday or two, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, the kickoff luncheons that Wednesday, also right
Speaker 1: right before they leave for Houston. Right, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say today, if they were going to put pads on,
Speaker 1: this is it. If so, we're you getting quality practice
Speaker 1: time for your first unit. If they're not going to
Speaker 1: play Sunday, night see over the next ten days. You know,
Speaker 1: I this sounds crazy, but I wrote about some stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, ten points from practice the other day. I thought,
Speaker 1: for just a Shell's practice, I thought it was a
Speaker 1: really good practice as far as getting you know, the
Speaker 1: defense was getting after the offense, which kind of put
Speaker 1: him in some binds. The guys had to fight on
Speaker 1: the outside to catch some balls. Prescott had to make
Speaker 1: some some throws. I kind of liked the practice, even
Speaker 1: though it was Shells. I was okay with it. I'm
Speaker 1: one of these guys that believes that what we saw
Speaker 1: in Oxnard is if you went around, if you got
Speaker 1: to go to all thirty two teams, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: their Cowboys practice. As far as the way it's conducted,
Speaker 1: the physicality of the practice, I'm gonna guarantee it's a
Speaker 1: top three practice as far as is getting after you know,
Speaker 1: getting after each other, and the you know, remember those
Speaker 1: days standing out there. I mean it seemed pretty long,
Speaker 1: the periods were long, but it was always a padded practice.
Speaker 1: There was you know, guys were staying healthy, and you
Speaker 1: know it was it was a lot of really good competition.
Speaker 1: So I can understand him back and off. I said
Speaker 1: this yesterday or show. I felt like I still feel
Speaker 1: that way. He's trying to give these young guys a
Speaker 1: chance because they're gonna have to play a lot of
Speaker 1: football here to come. You know, I think the yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think the dress rehearsal game for this
Speaker 1: football team wasn't this one. I think it was the
Speaker 1: I think it, yeah, I think it was the second
Speaker 1: week and the fact that the owner general manager came
Speaker 1: out and said, I don't need to see Prescott. I
Speaker 1: don't need to see now. He carries a big stick
Speaker 1: in that room and he's gonna ask those coaches, Okay,
Speaker 1: why do I need to play Prescott. I think we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of Prescott at practice. I think we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of them the first two games. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with him, and I'm important to play Tyrone
Speaker 1: Smith alongside Connor Williams at all. And see I asked
Speaker 1: that question the walk off. Did you feel like that
Speaker 1: Travis got enough time with Connor Williams not knowing that
Speaker 1: about to happen, So, you know, I think that you
Speaker 1: looked at that they were together in the OTAs in
Speaker 1: mini camps, they got to work together when Tyron was practice.
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I have I have a suitable replacement
Speaker 1: at center. I I don't know if I have a
Speaker 1: suitable replacement at left tackle. Right now, I have a guy.
Speaker 1: It's a fifty fifty player at best or guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of that goes for Lyle Collins on
Speaker 1: the other side. Those guys got to play. But Collins
Speaker 1: is gonna play because Collins needs to work more in
Speaker 1: his hands and stuff with this new high low thing.
Speaker 1: And I mean I was talking some players and they're like, man, poor,
Speaker 1: poor Lyle Collins. He just he's just now learning how
Speaker 1: to put his hands in the right place and plays
Speaker 1: through the season. Everything cool. Then they come through and
Speaker 1: they say, hey, listen, high low your hands and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh no really, so you know, so hopefully uh you know,
Speaker 1: he gets that all down. But he is, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's done some really some good things. But I
Speaker 1: I don't play press Scott, any of us. You haven't
Speaker 1: played Zeke the whole summer. No, No, he's done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's keep let's see what if. In fact,
Speaker 1: let's see what's going on with Scarborough in those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's find a competition Jackson j Jackson Scarborough.
Speaker 1: If you want to alternate him every series, do that.
Speaker 1: Find a way maybe I don't know. Give you find
Speaker 1: a way to give him a little rhythm and see
Speaker 1: what you got. So Bill Scarborough doing on Tuesday, he
Speaker 1: was dressed, He was dressed, but I didn't see him
Speaker 1: out there. I didn't see him how much he did
Speaker 1: ready to go something. Well, we'll see in respect to
Speaker 1: what you asked about the practices out there. Uh In Oxnard,
Speaker 1: it was interesting comment. Martin and Frederick were on with
Speaker 1: the fan and Travis said this was one of the
Speaker 1: most physical training camps he's ever been through, and it
Speaker 1: was like, well, the sessions weren't longer or harder, But
Speaker 1: I think what happened was with the competition with the
Speaker 1: young guys. The young guys weren't taking plays off, which
Speaker 1: in turn made those guys practice harder and more physical.
Speaker 1: It's like there was no brother in law in going on.
Speaker 1: Used to back in the nineties, right, Nate would go
Speaker 1: up to the line of scrimins, Hey, Kat take this playoff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man, Okay, dance here. I think he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: You had a lot of guys, especially with all the
Speaker 1: questions inside it tackle people to play. Ye, Woods caused
Speaker 1: you to play jahad Ward was trying to compete. You
Speaker 1: also had Dayton Jones was having to compete. I mean,
Speaker 1: you had guys inside that they're trying to fight for
Speaker 1: roster spots. So you know, like I say, Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: made his name fighting Travis Frederick, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden things they started throwing him out there and said, well, heck,
Speaker 1: if he's crazy enough to fight Frederick, let's throw him
Speaker 1: out there and see what he's got. And he responded, well,
Speaker 1: Phil and Louisiana, you're up on talking cowboys. Phil. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to talk to you. I listen to you.
Speaker 1: I watch your podcast every day, so this is a treat.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to make a comment and also
Speaker 1: a question. The comment is about gan beret. I have
Speaker 1: a familiarity with it only because my dad was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with it in two thousand and five. He was eighty
Speaker 1: at the time. So it effects people differently depending upon
Speaker 1: their age. So it can affect somebody. It can just
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Speaker 1: And the problem with age is that when my dad
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with it, he was in his apartment. He
Speaker 1: wasn't a high rise, a four full apartment at home
Speaker 1: of Louisiana, and just thought of them blue. It comes
Speaker 1: upon him and he just dropped to the floor because
Speaker 1: he had lost all of his muscular functions. He could
Speaker 1: not he could not function. He was just laying there
Speaker 1: and he lay there for about a few hours until
Speaker 1: he was found by one of the workers in the complex.
Speaker 1: But it took them thirty days at the Terribone General
Speaker 1: Medical Center to diagnosed it. And at the time, injections
Speaker 1: weren't even I don't think injections were part of the
Speaker 1: the recovery process or or anything. Uh they back then,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're doing it now. Back then
Speaker 1: the remedy or the way to kind of build their
Speaker 1: strength back up is uh. In plasma transfusion that Mickey
Speaker 1: was talking about, Yeah, and I didn't get that part
Speaker 1: of the early part of the show. So it was
Speaker 1: a complete transfusion of plasma. So I mean when they
Speaker 1: said yet and brave, we went huh. And not too
Speaker 1: many people are familiar with. It's just so rare and
Speaker 1: so you know. But the other part of the uh,
Speaker 1: My thoughts were this, uh, and I've been meeting done
Speaker 1: to ask somebody this uh. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's been talked about that much, but this Earl Thomas thing,
Speaker 1: I know they're not going after him right now. But
Speaker 1: then of you guys find it a contradiction and in
Speaker 1: philosophies when when you know you're reading the print that
Speaker 1: they're not willing to give up a second round draft
Speaker 1: choice for him, So you say, okay, they want to
Speaker 1: give up a second round draft choice for Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: and it may not be a fair comparison, but yet
Speaker 1: for a way, how many different drafts and they give
Speaker 1: up second round draft choices or a hope that a
Speaker 1: player would be great, like for instance, Randy Grady because
Speaker 1: he's now Barry Food and Jalen Smith he's now very food.
Speaker 1: But they will in the risk second round draft choices
Speaker 1: and guys, they weren't sure we're going to produce. So
Speaker 1: do you guys, I'll hang up and listen, But do
Speaker 1: you guys see any contradiction in philosophy there? The way
Speaker 1: they value a second round draft choice. Thank all right, Phil,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Another example is giving up the second round
Speaker 1: to move up to take Mo Claiborne twenty twelve, or
Speaker 1: moving up to get to Marcus Lawrence in the second round,
Speaker 1: or taking a shot on Sean Lee. Sure. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: all depends whether it pans out or not. I think
Speaker 1: it's what you think you're getting right, right, You're you're
Speaker 1: getting a You're taking a shot on somebody that's twenty two,
Speaker 1: twenty three years old, not saying I'm going to use
Speaker 1: it on a twenty nine year old player who's on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. And so there's so many different
Speaker 1: layers to this whole Earl Thomas thing Brian will tell you.
Speaker 1: The first layer is Seattle. Seattle. They got to be willing, dude.
Speaker 1: I think I think Seattle is the number one reason
Speaker 1: why this steal hasn't been made. Number two is the contract.
Speaker 1: It's not just a second or third round pick, it's
Speaker 1: how much money do you want to invest in a
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old safety? Now? Do you want to
Speaker 1: just take a shot for one year and say okay,
Speaker 1: come and play and then we'll sit it out. Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end and we'll just pay eight and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars. Okay, fine, but do you want to
Speaker 1: sink fourteen million dollars a year into a twenty nine
Speaker 1: year old player? And that's what he wants. That's why
Speaker 1: he's not in Seattle right now. Now, Maybe he says, Oh,
Speaker 1: to come back for Texas, I'll play for ten million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on how much you get guaranteed.
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line from all this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: think these players are going to figure out when they
Speaker 1: sign these long term deals, you better put a clause
Speaker 1: going into that last year that if I'm on the
Speaker 1: roster March tenth, then my base salary is guaranteed. Because
Speaker 1: what they worry about is getting hurt and then they
Speaker 1: go into free agency and or they get hurt during
Speaker 1: and you get released. You got to protect yourself going
Speaker 1: into that last year. If you think, and this wasn't
Speaker 1: does his last year of his contract, but I think
Speaker 1: he would have liked to have had something in his contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but March tenth that they got to make it yeah
Speaker 1: and give me an opportunity to get into free agency
Speaker 1: if if indeed that does is a classic example of
Speaker 1: a guy that had he been released on March thirteenth
Speaker 1: instead of April thirteenth, the market would have played out
Speaker 1: totally different for him. No, I don't disagree with y'all.
Speaker 1: I think though two with the still in my mind,
Speaker 1: have the thought of Dallas at on the clock at
Speaker 1: fifty and being willing to talk about it. So that
Speaker 1: to me, right there says that, Okay, the second round
Speaker 1: pick was in play. But the fact that we like
Speaker 1: a player better at that point, or a guy that
Speaker 1: we really cove it a position, a position we cove it,
Speaker 1: I think that says a lot. But the fact that
Speaker 1: they were willing to talk about it and Dallas called
Speaker 1: back to Seattle and out at you know when they
Speaker 1: got I think on the clock at ninety one the
Speaker 1: third round pick, and that's when John Snyder said, no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. This is on John Snyder.
Speaker 1: This is not on the Dallas Cowboys. When John Snyder's
Speaker 1: ready to check with ready to trade him, if in
Speaker 1: fact he is at all, he needs to call Dallas
Speaker 1: and he just says, okay, this is what I want
Speaker 1: for Earl Thomas. He's got I believe he's got thirty
Speaker 1: other team or twenty nine other teams that he could
Speaker 1: shop him too as well. They're they're calling Earl Thomas bluff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think if he's, if Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: gonna be willing to give up John September fourth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: John will not talk to me about him at all.
Speaker 1: And and you know, and rightfully so, I mean I
Speaker 1: worked for this organization. He shouldn't talk to me. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it is he's he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: make Earl Thomas to play. I believe he is, you know,
Speaker 1: And and and that's where and if Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: it as a conviction, if and maybe Earl Thomas has
Speaker 1: enough money to where he could sit out and for
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars a week, more power to him.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna have to come back to get free agency.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to come back in week ten. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Seahawks want to go that route.
Speaker 1: And I told the story yesterday. There are people within
Speaker 1: the organization that want Earl Thomas gone. They wanted him
Speaker 1: gone after he went and made the run to the
Speaker 1: locker room at AT and T Stadium. But then there's
Speaker 1: also the coaching side of it, where Pete Carroll's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: let's not do this. So you know, coaches want to
Speaker 1: keep all the best players they can. Coaches aren't interested
Speaker 1: in just moving guys along just on principle, you know.
Speaker 1: So John's going to call this guy's bluff and see
Speaker 1: if the fact that he does, if he's going to
Speaker 1: sit out for eight hundred thousand dollars a week. All right,
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Speaker 1: He'll be lined up right over the center, won't he
Speaker 1: sure will. Yeah, So Looney just let you know, yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we knew it wasn't going to be easy with
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick in the lineup. We kind of felt like
Speaker 1: that exactly. The NFC South, the AFC South, those are
Speaker 1: you know, those are some difficult games. You can't go
Speaker 1: you can't go in those games and be two and six.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got you've got to find a way to,
Speaker 1: you know, to to win one of those divisions. I
Speaker 1: mean when I mean when a three and a one,
Speaker 1: you know, two and two split something. But you just
Speaker 1: can't let those two your your own divisions is difficult
Speaker 1: as well. So you know you've got to find a
Speaker 1: way not to be one in three going either in
Speaker 1: those divisions. When you look when they win thirteen games,
Speaker 1: what they do. They swept the North, They swept both norths,
Speaker 1: which I didn't think was possible the NFC North with
Speaker 1: the Packers Vikings. You know, won all those games and
Speaker 1: then you turn around and you beat at the Steelers Baltimore.
Speaker 1: That that's the difficult So but the huge thing at
Speaker 1: season is the way they played on the road. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: especially with a rookie quarterback runs so in the center
Speaker 1: to helping him out and lou Of and loeu of that.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think Brian has been
Speaker 1: pointing out and helped maybe the Connor Williams is that
Speaker 1: they've been doing a lot of pulling. Yes, so maybe
Speaker 1: that continues. So Joe Looney is not sitting there one
Speaker 1: on one with Don Terry Poe every snap, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you get them moving. Yeah, the thing you get those
Speaker 1: guys moving, it helps your it ends too. If you
Speaker 1: have tight ends that aren't James Hannah, that are a
Speaker 1: good point of attack, point of attack blockers. Anytime you
Speaker 1: can angle block your line or you're tight end, it
Speaker 1: makes it easier because you're not asking guys to physically
Speaker 1: move somebody out of the way. You're making them have
Speaker 1: to run through you to get to the ball. Now,
Speaker 1: what has been Paul Alexander's philosophy as far as zone blocking.
Speaker 1: We've seen it. Now we're starting to see it because
Speaker 1: because I saw reports the last couple of years in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: they were complaining from a media fans. Never we're complaining
Speaker 1: about too much zone blocking, too much zone blocking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it had more to do with the personnel. It's
Speaker 1: exactly right. And I was talking with Mark Colombo about
Speaker 1: that before we got on the plane and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know the high hand low hand. He goes, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's just not that. He goes, I've done since, you know,
Speaker 1: with working with Bill Callahan and then working with Frank
Speaker 1: Pollock and now working with this guy. He goes, I've
Speaker 1: seen power gap schemes. I've seen you know, zone schemes.
Speaker 1: I've seen far reach zone schemes. He's kind of talking about.
Speaker 1: These guys have had to go through a lot of
Speaker 1: different but I feel like that they're going to take
Speaker 1: advantage of the offensive lines ability to get on the edge.
Speaker 1: Smith Williams Joe Looney was pulling the other day and
Speaker 1: some stuff, you know Martin can pull. We saw what happened.
Speaker 1: Martin got when he was pulling, He got, he got
Speaker 1: dinged up. But they by the way, he didn't blame
Speaker 1: that dB for what happened to him, he said, and
Speaker 1: in fact, that's what he said. He said, you know
Speaker 1: what if I was a dB, that's the way that
Speaker 1: they're taught that they're taught to get to the ground
Speaker 1: quick and try and check that out. But that Kurtpatrick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Draker Patrick. But I also saw something very positive again
Speaker 1: one of the great things of working at the Stars.
Speaker 1: He was out there working with Britt Brown yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know that's good. We can stand up and
Speaker 1: turn oh hey, who's that. Oh, it's sat Martin out
Speaker 1: there working. So I think that's a positive sign that
Speaker 1: he's out there and trying to to rehab himself and
Speaker 1: get him going the right way. And he's been engaged
Speaker 1: with the team throughout. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know what
Speaker 1: I bet he becomes if if Travis isn't in the
Speaker 1: locker room every day because he's sort of the leader
Speaker 1: of the pack right at that offensive line, and it
Speaker 1: would really have taken a more leadership role on the offense.
Speaker 1: I bet Zach Martin now steps up. I've just noticed
Speaker 1: how he's conducted himself in interviews lately. He's more forthcoming,
Speaker 1: he's more forceful in his answers, and I think if
Speaker 1: you're looking for a guy to kind of take charge
Speaker 1: of that offensive line room, it's going to be Zach.
Speaker 1: War He feels a responsibility to the Joneses for his contract, right.
Speaker 1: He feels like, hey, I've got to find a way
Speaker 1: to I'm sure Travis feels that same way. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys are very mindful of the you know. And
Speaker 1: I saw some people asking on Twitter and say, well, hey,
Speaker 1: good for Travis Frederick. He got paid. You know, if
Speaker 1: something happens Lacy got paid. I'm like, that's just a
Speaker 1: bad attitude to have about it. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: about you worry about the guy's health first. And but
Speaker 1: there are people saying, oh, he got paid. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's just a terrible way of looking at you. But
Speaker 1: there's a need and Zack Martin has his quality about him,
Speaker 1: as does Travis Frederick, as does Tyron Smith. There's a conviction,
Speaker 1: a strength of mind that you had doubt have after
Speaker 1: you get paid that kind of money, No doubt, there
Speaker 1: is an extra pressure on that player to they if
Speaker 1: they feel the same way about the organization because they
Speaker 1: want to make sure that they are earning that money.
Speaker 1: Talk to Tyron Crawford about that, right, Yeah. Tyron Crawford
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that he doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in the box score. We always say that that's when
Speaker 1: those baseball sayings. But he is a guy that if
Speaker 1: you if you look at what he does on film
Speaker 1: every game, it's not the flashiest thing, but he is
Speaker 1: going to find a way to get Randy Gregory home
Speaker 1: this year. He is going to find a way who
Speaker 1: ever plays next to him, He's going to do whatever
Speaker 1: he has to do. If he can't get himself home
Speaker 1: on a rush or make a play, he's going to
Speaker 1: get somebody else around him home. By the way he
Speaker 1: plays and the fact that he's probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: play a lot of three technique until they kind of
Speaker 1: figure things out through the first four weeks this season,
Speaker 1: I think that's just, you know, admirable thing you can
Speaker 1: bust on him all you want, but the guy is
Speaker 1: one of the To me, he has earned his salary.
Speaker 1: And it's not all about sacks. It's about how you
Speaker 1: help others around you get better. And he's done that
Speaker 1: for sure. All right, fin a minute or so, and
Speaker 1: he certainly could have been like, oh, you're gonna move
Speaker 1: me inside. I'm a defensive end, and he would. When
Speaker 1: I talked to him on Tuesday, he was just fine
Speaker 1: with him whatever. Its a matter of fact, he was laughing.
Speaker 1: He looked at me and he goes, do you have
Speaker 1: to ask? He goes, you knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised? But he was good with it. And
Speaker 1: that's what Marinelli said. He goes, what a great team leader.
Speaker 1: He will do anything I ask him to do. Yep.
Speaker 1: And so we'll keep an eye on that today. See
Speaker 1: if Randy Gregory's still working with the first team. That's true.
Speaker 1: A couple of minutes left here actually, And so we're
Speaker 1: Arizona on Sunday night. What are you looking for? Sunday
Speaker 1: night against Arizona? A lot of young guys getting an
Speaker 1: opportunity to make their career in the National Football League
Speaker 1: with the amount of injuries, the amount of guys that
Speaker 1: they're gonna hold out just because a lot of guys
Speaker 1: are gonna get a chance. Cam Kelly Tyree Robinson a
Speaker 1: huge you know. And we saw Robinson in the in
Speaker 1: the in the in the practice on Tuesday, playing center
Speaker 1: field and picking one off. Yeah, so let's go. Let's
Speaker 1: let's see it. Kadeem Edwards big time? Are you Are
Speaker 1: you going to be the eighth offensive lineman or is
Speaker 1: there somebody at Tampa Bay or New Orleans it's better
Speaker 1: than you. They have to figure that out with him,
Speaker 1: because right now, until until Zack Martin gets back, that
Speaker 1: is your right guard for your Dallas Cowboys. Cam Fleming,
Speaker 1: get out there and make me feel better about if
Speaker 1: you have to play, you know, and not to mention
Speaker 1: the wide receiver series and the quarter and the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know, this is gonna be a great opportunity for
Speaker 1: both of those quarterbacks to get snaps in a National
Speaker 1: Football League game. Uh, and Cooper Rush needs them. Mike
Speaker 1: White is showing signs. Okay, get out there showing me
Speaker 1: the next the tight ends, same thing. There's tough to
Speaker 1: accomplish in these last couple of games, all right, And
Speaker 1: then we turn around then four days later and finish
Speaker 1: out the preseason at Houston next Thursday. We will be
Speaker 1: back on Monday to wrap up what happened on Sunday
Speaker 1: Night and Jason Garrett coming up next year on Dallas
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