WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Frederick Out Indefinitely 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.120 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:16.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.360 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:32.360 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brunts, Rob 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.520 Phillips and Bill Jones. Football is back at the Star 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:43.400 in Frisco. As it's yet another training camp day a Thursday. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.919 You've got one on Friday as well, as fans are 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.400 making their way to the Star to watch this morning's 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.120 practice which gets underway at eleven am. I have another 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.600 opportunity on Friday morning, and we are at half strength 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.520 as we begin this edition of Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.800 with Brian brought us. Hello sir, Good morning Brian, thank you, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.160 Good morning to you as well. We've got some injury 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.280 news to get into all right off the top of course, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.520 and we're missing We will start with the illness that 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.120 is crept into the lineup here on Talking Cowboys as 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.920 Rob Phillips a little under the weather this morning. The weather, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.839 so Rob is not here with us today. We expect 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.040 Mickey Spagnola in a matter of moments. He has another 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:28.000 broadcasting respect Hurricane get ready he's gonna come rolling in here. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.480 There'll be papers all over the counter, He'll he'll act 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.560 all flustered, he will be he'll put on his headset 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:37.920 and then and then he'll be ready to go, and 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.720 he did you miss me? And we'll all have to 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.280 acknowledge the fact that he just rolled in like a 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.040 something that we would see on the Weather channel, hurricane 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.560 Hurricane Mickey will come rolling in here and he will well, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.640 what do you talk about since I was gone? You know, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.080 that's kind of what you do with Mickey. That's exactly right. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.200 So let's and he'll get into this when he rolls 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:01.800 in here at a moment. But of course, the big 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:06.720 news around here concerns Travis Frederick and the announcement last 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.520 night that Travis is dealing with Guion Barre syndrome. And 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.240 right off the top, I'll read the statement from Travis 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.520 Frederick that he released last night. After very extensive examination 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.639 a discovery process over the past few weeks, I have 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.800 been diagnosed with having Guion Barre syndrome, which is an 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.920 autoimmune disease. In the last forty eight hours, I have 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.200 received two treatments that address my condition, and I am 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.680 feeling much better from an overall strength perspective. I will 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.760 continue these treatments over the next few days. I am 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.320 very optimistic about my condition and the immediate future, as 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.600 I have been told that the illness was detected at 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.440 a fairly early stage. My doctors have told me that 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.160 it is not possible to determine a timetable for a 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.040 return to the field right now, but I am hopeful 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.200 that I will be able to play as soon as possible. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.720 I am deeply grateful for all of the people who 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.919 have expressed concern from me throughout the past four weeks, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.280 and my teammates and the Cowboys organization had provided me 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.960 and my family with tremendous support. So when you got 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:14.000 that news, what did you think, Well, you know, last night, Bill, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.080 you know, we were all sitting there and we saw 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.760 the release just what you just read. You know, had 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.840 a feeling that something more was to this. The fact 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.680 that he had gone to doctor Watkins in Los Angeles 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.799 and doctor Watkins said there's no structural damage, there's maybe rest, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.359 you know, as prescribed. But then when he had when 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.960 when other specialists became involved, then you're starting to think, Okay, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.600 there could be something more here. Now, I didn't feel 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.400 like that he was going to have some disease that 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.320 was going to attack his you know, immune system and 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:52.640 things like that. But you knew there was something else happening. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.400 And I I you know, as a as a former 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.120 personnel man, you look at these things and you know 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.200 he goes the the first thing every says, well, why 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.600 us why that's the devastating For yeah, it's a devastating thing. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.080 But as a personnel guy, you can't put your head 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.440 in the sand here, you know, you can't. He's going 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.520 to get all the treatment he can. He's gonna be 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.640 back as soon as he can. But then you find ways. Okay, 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.600 with this setback, how do you work around it? You know, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.719 you talk about Joe Looney, you talk about other ways 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.360 to bring in things, but I I just it's from 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.240 a from a from a medical standpoint. You're you're he's 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.920 in great hands with these The Cowboys have always had 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.600 the best and the brightest and specialists, you know'll send 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.240 you all over the country, all over the world, whatever 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.400 they have to do to get your help. So that 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.360 part of it, I think is taken care of. And 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.040 you have to have faith that what they do, Uh, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:48.240 personnel wise, will will make do until Travis Frederick returns. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.200 As we welcome in Mickey Spagnola, who has done with 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.400 his other responsibilities. I beamed in. You didn't even see 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.400 me walk in, did you, or at least on camera? Uh? Well, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.200 and we read the statement that Travis released last night, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.720 and what was your take when you when you heard 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.960 this is what he's been dealing with. Well, it was 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.960 another step in my medical degree covering the National Football League, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.039 because I have to admit I'd never heard of this 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.520 uh syndrome whatsoever. So you kind of read up about it, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.960 and it sounds like and again I don't know that 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.480 we know everything, but it sounds like that they caught 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.320 this early what he said. Yeah, and and by catching 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.480 it early, it seems like it uh maximizes your ability 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.480 to recover from it, uh sooner than than later. So um, 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.760 if there's a you know a good thing in any 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.240 of this, it's it's the fact that they did catch it. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:52.040 Uh that And maybe you give Travis some credit for saying, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.760 I'm not just accepting I'm getting stingers. Let's let's investing 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.200 a little fur last for a little while, and goes away, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.800 so absolute and That's the thing. When I think once 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.480 he got the news from the specialist there in Los Angeles, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.040 I think he's thinking, Okay, there's something else wrong with 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.720 me here, and it sounds like that a blood test 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.680 was provided and once they figured out they say, okay, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.440 this is what you have when they look at the 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.919 symptoms the blood test, and you know, we should have 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.880 we should have known something was up when the specialist 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.320 in Los Angeles basically said, hey, there's no structural damage, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.240 maybe something else was going to symptoms something and persist 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.680 and the fact that he was weakening, and you know, 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.320 he's like, okay, this is more than just stingers. You know, 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.720 I'm feeling something that I shouldn't be feeling here. And 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.559 you know, Travis is Travis is one of those guys. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.440 It's always in the way room. He knows his body. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.120 He's always been in condition. So you know, professional, Yeah, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.000 professional athletes know when something's not right. And that's h 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.479 you know, that's like Mickey said, hopefully that they found 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.960 things early enough and he's already started the treatments and 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.599 hopefully the treatments work for him for hitting only for 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.120 you know, more importantly, for the quality of his life. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.720 It sounds like a very very serious disease if not 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.240 treated correctly, and it sounds like people that have had 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.320 it previously. Uh. And it wasn't detected right away. It 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.720 became a prolonged thing. I was listening to a little 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.520 bit of the cuts from Mark Schlareff. Uh. They had 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.880 him on the fan last night, and Uh, it sounded 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.640 his was a year long Yeah, ninety three season and 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.240 affected his Todd Archers also had this disease and he 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.080 and he wrote about it. Yeah, he wrote about it 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.800 and and Todd I was talking to him about it 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.559 last night and he says, you know, treatments are far 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.320 far better than what we had in nineteen eighty seven. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.760 But he goes, it's a very it's a very scary 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.000 situation to fill your body the way that is. So 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.600 let's in thoughts and prayers with Travis and hopefully things 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.480 work out. For When I saw the list of people 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.760 that have had it, another friend of at least mine, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.040 I think you guys might know him. And Pascarelli had 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.880 Atlanta Constitutional and then he was with ESPN R and 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.000 um he suffered from it too, and I remember seeing 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:14.200 him and it kind of diminished him absolutely greatly. So, um, yeah, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.520 we'll see where this uh goes. But again it's and 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.800 at least Travis sounded upbeat about it that Okay, we 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.960 know where we're going now, and we can treat this 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.160 thing and I can go forward. So but I don't 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.360 think anybody really knows a timetable of how long. There's 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.320 no way to predict that, right, right. I think I 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.000 think just from again from a personal aspect of I 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.520 think you have to assume he's not going to be 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.000 playing this year. That's okay, that's I'm not trying to 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.800 say I'm not dooming glooming in here. I'm just saying, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.520 if you're if you're thinking about it, when you tell me, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.880 I have no timetable. You know, with a hamstring, I 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.280 could generally Britt Brown and Jim Mayer can generally tell me, hey, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.520 he needs five weeks off, he needs six weeks off. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:57.880 You know, this is what we have. We have to 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.640 treat this injury. This is one of those you don't know, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.840 and you know they can they can keep him on. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.160 They can keep him on the active roster and go 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.640 week to week on an inactive thing until they feel 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.440 But I think from a personnel aspect. You have to 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.640 prepare that you're not going to have him this entire season, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.200 you know, And and I'm not trying to minimize this, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.440 but I think you almost put him in the same 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.520 category we've put David Irving in. I can't count on 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.120 it if I get something great, right, but I can't 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.280 sit here and structure my roster right for the first 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.640 week of the season thinking, Okay, in four weeks, I'm 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.560 gonna have Travis fred. But do you structure your roster 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.680 at the countdown date where you have him on the 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.439 active I guess you wait until you've got the full report. Yeah, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.640 September first, on right on day right, okay, where is 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.719 he at right now? You could put him on. Then 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.000 you could keep him on so that he's on the 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.679 fifty three, and then the next day you put him 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.400 onjored reserve where you can return after eight weeks of 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.600 the That's exactly That's exactly the plan right there. And 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.240 like a like I said, there's a couple of different 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.040 ways you can play this. If if the doctors feel 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.640 like that, Okay, the treatment he's had so far, Hey, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.640 he's making great progress right now, then maybe you do 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.079 just keep him on the active roster and inactive and 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.079 make him inactive every week until maybe this is a 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.560 three week injury, maybe it's a four but if it 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.640 turns into more than eight weeks, you didn't go ahead 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.600 and put him on injured reserve and get the spot. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.040 But you would think that even the best case scenario 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.560 here in a few weeks he's able to return to 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.560 football activities, that his strength needs to be built up. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.160 That's the hope. That's the hope. And that's where again, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.880 you know where the countdown, the cutdown day is looming 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.640 here quickly, right. You know we're gonna have this game 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.480 over a week away. Yeah, you're gonna have this game. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.760 So I have a feeling they have yet eight days away. Yeah, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.680 I have a feeling they have a plan. They could 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.480 they know more, Yeah, they can know more with if 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.559 they do another treatment. It's like, boy, he's making great progress. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.480 This appears to be working the right way. You know that, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.679 that's your hope. But like Mickey said, you can't tell 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.360 me when he's coming back. Definitely, then I have to 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.360 feel like that I'm not going to play with this 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.640 guy because I you know, I've got a structure my 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.840 team in a way that. Okay, I could put him 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.000 down for eight weeks and see what happens, or or 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.080 I can in activate him every week and maybe in 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.840 a month's time four games he's back with you. That's 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.880 that's the unknown right now. This is another one of 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.240 those things where you really have to rely on the 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:27.640 medical people, the best prognosis or the best you know, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:33.800 long range specialists term on this whole thing so you 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.880 would have a better feel. So my my instructions or 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.439 whatever to the fans out there, not everybody's case is 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.600 the same. No, right, So everybody's got a story about 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.400 having this or having dealt with it. Well, it's not 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.240 always the same. And there's can be specialists out there 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.120 that have dealt with this, but they haven't dealt with 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.719 this case. And I'm going to give you a very 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:04.480 good example. There's a doctor out in former team physician 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.920 out in San Diego who basically came out and say, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.960 Jalen Smith will never play football again. That's true. And 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.400 he had no inner knowledge of the knee, who did 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.880 the surgery, how the surgery was done. And I've seen 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.920 already he's already, oh this is you know, this is bad. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.040 He may not play football. Well, let's just kind of 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:29.199 ease back and let the boys, doctors and the specialists 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.720 that are here in Dallas that are actually dealing with 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.720 him kind of give us an idea of what's going on. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.079 Not everybody that is an expert, because they don't know 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.200 this case particular. There are cases where what I've read anyway, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.280 there are cases where people are able to come back 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.200 within a few weeks. Right now are cases that linger 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:54.719 on absolutely facts. A professional athlete helps exactly exactly. I've 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.600 got a friend who contracted West Nile virus and then 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.840 he got gian bare and he's so he was in 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.880 a weekend state, and he's still dealing with the after effects. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.480 And he's thirty years older than what Travis Frederick is sure, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.600 you know, And so they're all different cases. From a 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:18.000 roster standpoint. The Cowboys were already down Marcus Martin Okay, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.560 hurts a little ed terry or offensive lineman who was 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.920 in position. I mean they signed him in the offseason 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.559 basically to be a backup at either a center or 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.000 a guard position. Joe Looney of course, moves into the 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.959 starting lineup at center. But they even without the Travis 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.680 Frederick and Drew they were they were in the market 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.839 to acquire an interior offensive lineman. Yeah, no question. We 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.760 talked about this on our show that you know, if 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.079 the positions that we were looking at, we were thinking 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.520 offensive line was one that you'd have to make a 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.559 claim or trade or something to to try and shore 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.800 some things up. We weren't very We weren't thrilled with 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.840 the backups. We had questions about Cadeem Edwards and really 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.839 is he the eighth guy? Is there somebody better out there? 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.560 We we focus so much on this team that we 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.760 don't know really what's on. I mean, I did a 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.160 little research of some guys, especially with last night, you know, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.000 with this injury. Are there backup centers out there? No, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.240 they're really not. There's not at all. And the guys 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.480 that have had experienced there's a couple that have retired. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.840 They retired guys would from buffers, Yeah, exactly. So there's 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:30.080 some Gerard Holly Holly, there was a guy that rights 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.320 working the defensive line right now. But yeah, it's the 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.640 the the prospects of going and getting at and then 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.600 you look at Okay, is there a guy that's a 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.400 guard that can play in the prospects there are not there, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.040 so yeah, this is gonna have to be. You know, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.520 they signed a kid, you know, from South Dakota State, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:54.400 Jacob Osanji. Yes, from South Dakota, right, and I sat 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.000 down and watch tape of him. You know, he's probably 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.840 what you would sign after the draft. Uh. You know, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.800 Dallas Goddard was on the same team at South Dakota States. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.400 There was a lot of Dallas Goddard making plays, you 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.880 know for that. But yeah, he's a he's a guy. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.480 He's you know, just watching him play, he's a he's 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.840 a you know, two hundred ninety five pound guys, sixty 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.800 three he's got. He does a nice job of playing 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.280 on his feet. He has some of the traits that 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.280 they're going to ask some of these offensive lineman to 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.840 do now. And that's with the with the pulling, the 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.840 space stuff and all that. Uh, you know that part 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.040 of it's all been really really good. When he's uncovered, 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.640 I thought he did a nice job of getting to 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.160 the second level when he had to get there. But 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.200 you know, it's guy's a three time captain. There's a 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.840 lot of really positive things about it. But like Mickey says, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.360 he hasn't played you know, at the NFL level right now. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.920 But that's that's kind of where they're at right now. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.760 They've got to figure out. They've got Joe Looney, who 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.120 we all have thought very well of Joe Looney since 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.080 we've seen him at training camp. I felt like Joe 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.280 Looney has remade his body. I compared it to what 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.160 Ron Leary did when when Lyle Collins went out, you know, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.760 with injury what happened, Joe Looney was ready to play, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:04.720 and Joe Looney never uh Ron Learry was ready to 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.000 play and he when he when he had to play, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.120 he never gave up the job. You know, even though 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.000 Collins was coming back, they kept with Ron, and but 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.640 Ron remade his body. He got in better condition. I 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.720 think Joe Looney has shown the same types of traits 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.440 And is it a drop off, yes, but is it 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.920 going completely off the cliff, No, it's not so. I 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.239 feel like though that it will be a good transition 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.080 for somebody. Now they got to get somebody behind him. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.560 That's going to be the trick. That's a difficult part 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.240 because the only other guy that that that they've put 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.280 his hand on the ball is Dustin Stanton, And we're 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.240 talking another guy that hasn't probably not in the league, right, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.520 probably not good enough. And and you know you've already 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.440 got a rookie left guard who's starting, who's not taking 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.440 a snap in the league. Um so Saints worked him 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.160 as center. By the way, you know when you when 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:59.360 you brought up Looney, how about this how it took place? 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:04.119 Because you know last year, the year before, Sure it's 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:09.000 jumbo Joe right, funny guying the clown. Yeah, And for 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.600 some reason this offseason, after he had his wrist surgery 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.119 and he didn't get to participate in No ta's A 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.560 mini camps, It's like he took his rehab seriously. He 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.160 took his conditioning seriously, he took his strength work seriously, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.840 and as Brian said, he kind of remade himself. And 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.440 we're looking at him going, well, this is kind of 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.800 a serious football player now, and why would that you 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.320 know what if that hattn't taken place? No, that's that's 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.440 the Yeah. I don't I want to say it's a miracle, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.120 but it's a godsend. Well, the wrist surgery probably made 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.240 him realize that, you know what, I've got to be 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.280 more serious about my craft. And you're right, I think 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.080 that Joe has always been a guy. You go up 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.760 and he's a clown guy. You go up and use 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.120 it for social media. Yeah, he's a fun guy. We're 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.080 soccer jerseys. You know he'll interact with you instead. I 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.280 need a guy like that on the team, right. It 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.440 reminds me Kevin Gogan. Yea, yeah, dress us up like Zeke, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.960 you know, funny guy. But you're thinking, okay, now he 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.080 has to play. But I think what we've seen the 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.960 last twenty five days or so of practice is he's 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.200 taken his job seriously, and you know, when they've asked 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.080 him to play. When this whole thing we found out 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.679 what was going on with Travis Frederick, he's been in 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.720 there playing well. And I don't think there's you know this, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.760 like I say, a huge drop off. The guy played 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.199 fifty five or so plays the other day, you know, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.920 in a preseason game, and you think, boy, that would 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.080 be kind of tough. But you know he was just 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.760 fine doing that, never complained about it, did his job, 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.160 went about his business and all that. So if you're 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.439 going to have something happened to a center, you know, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.000 it looks like Joe Looney has has stepped up and said, okay, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.639 I'm I'm ready to do what I have to do. Okay, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.280 we thought we talked about this yesterday, sorry, Bill, and 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.159 we'd kind of dismissed it. Right, Cameron Fleming's a tackle 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:58.040 that he has played some guard right in the NFL? Right, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.680 is is he lacking at guard better than some guy 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.520 that's never take a snap at guard if they needed 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.000 a backup guard. This is where this is where I'm 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.000 gonna go with that. What happened last year when they 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.760 took your backup tackle and made him a guard. I'm 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.040 not a point I am not. I am not as Greeny. Yeah, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.200 i Am not going to sit there and I'm gonna 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.840 less with that. I'm gonna let that kid take every 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.719 single rep at tackle that he can take when he 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.280 plays in these preseason games. Whatever he has to do. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.040 I'm gonna let Cam Fleming play every single rep at 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.720 offensive tackle. I will find a guard. I am not gonna. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.280 I am not gonna sacrifice making him have to play 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.240 another position to both It's more important to me to 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.679 have a backup tackle than it is to have a 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.160 guy as a backup guard. That's just me. And by 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.840 the way, I'm back on Joe Looney. I mean, let's 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.520 remember he was a fourth round pick of San Francisco 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.440 in twenty twelve. Yes, and he's smart and he's a 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.840 wake for guy that you're he's gonna know what to do. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.200 He's a veteran guy. I think the fact, like Mickey said, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.800 that he has remade his body tells you how important 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.320 it is to him now. He realizes, Hey, I'm at 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.480 a point in my time my career that you know, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.680 I could be the class clown, but I've also might 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.680 have to play You remember one on ones in Oxnard. Yes, 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.399 Saint Luney was strong holding Yeah, and yeah, there was 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.840 there was a lot of really good battles inside with him. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.320 Anything with Travis, Yes, yeah, I did too, Yeah, and 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.560 it was it was. It kind of made me go, huh. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.520 He's always been a billy to billy kind of a 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.760 blocker because he gets guys real tight and then he 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.840 sets his hands. But there was some statement he mentioned 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.879 the having gratitude for people, for the people in the 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.040 organization sticking by him the last four weeks. Yeah, so 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.520 I think he's maybe been having some of these symptoms. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.679 There's no questions he was getting Yeah, instances where he 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.480 doesn't normally normally it was like a strength thing. Well, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.600 but that's kind of one of the reasons. That was 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.040 the one thing that we saw in Antoine Woods that 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.920 made us after the Antoine Woods and Travis Frederick dust up, right, 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.920 we kind of thought thought, boy, that's really stupid by 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.400 Antoine Woods. And then what did Antoine would start doing? 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.000 He started playing better, you know, he started actually and 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.159 but maybe you know, maybe he was taking advantage of 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.960 of of a weekend Travis Frederick. And we were all like, man, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.239 what's wrong with Travis Frederick? And now we know not 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.640 that Antoine Woods. Antoine Woods won a lot of reps, right, 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.400