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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brunts, Rob

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Speaker 1: Phillips and Bill Jones. Football is back at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Frisco. As it's yet another training camp day a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You've got one on Friday as well, as fans are

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Speaker 1: making their way to the Star to watch this morning's

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Speaker 1: as we begin this edition of Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones

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Speaker 1: with Brian brought us. Hello sir, Good morning Brian, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you as well. We've got some injury

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Speaker 1: and we're missing We will start with the illness that

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Speaker 1: is crept into the lineup here on Talking Cowboys as

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips a little under the weather this morning. The weather,

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Speaker 1: so Rob is not here with us today. We expect

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola in a matter of moments. He has another

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Speaker 1: broadcasting respect Hurricane get ready he's gonna come rolling in here.

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Speaker 1: and then and then he'll be ready to go, and

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Speaker 1: he did you miss me? And we'll all have to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that he just rolled in like a

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Speaker 1: something that we would see on the Weather channel, hurricane

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Speaker 1: Hurricane Mickey will come rolling in here and he will well,

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Speaker 1: what do you talk about since I was gone? You know,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what you do with Mickey. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So let's and he'll get into this when he rolls

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Speaker 1: in here at a moment. But of course, the big

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Speaker 1: news around here concerns Travis Frederick and the announcement last

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Speaker 1: night that Travis is dealing with Guion Barre syndrome. And

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Speaker 1: right off the top, I'll read the statement from Travis

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Speaker 1: Frederick that he released last night. After very extensive examination

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Speaker 1: a discovery process over the past few weeks, I have

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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with having Guion Barre syndrome, which is an

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Speaker 1: autoimmune disease. In the last forty eight hours, I have

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Speaker 1: received two treatments that address my condition, and I am

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Speaker 1: feeling much better from an overall strength perspective. I will

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Speaker 1: continue these treatments over the next few days. I am

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Speaker 1: very optimistic about my condition and the immediate future, as

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Speaker 1: I have been told that the illness was detected at

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Speaker 1: a fairly early stage. My doctors have told me that

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Speaker 1: it is not possible to determine a timetable for a

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Speaker 1: return to the field right now, but I am hopeful

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Speaker 1: that I will be able to play as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: I am deeply grateful for all of the people who

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Speaker 1: have expressed concern from me throughout the past four weeks,

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Speaker 1: and my teammates and the Cowboys organization had provided me

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Speaker 1: and my family with tremendous support. So when you got

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Speaker 1: that news, what did you think, Well, you know, last night, Bill,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were all sitting there and we saw

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Speaker 1: the release just what you just read. You know, had

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Speaker 1: there could be something more here. Now, I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: And I I you know, as a as a former

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Speaker 1: us why that's the devastating For yeah, it's a devastating thing.

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Speaker 1: But as a personnel guy, you can't put your head

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Speaker 1: As we welcome in Mickey Spagnola, who has done with

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Speaker 1: But he goes, it's a very it's a very scary

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Speaker 1: over a week away. Yeah, you're gonna have this game.

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Speaker 1: So I have a feeling they have yet eight days away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the middle because of his ability to how he plays

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Speaker 1: Unless you have really watched Travis Frederick, you don't understand

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Speaker 1: and relate it to Travis Frederick. Well, Travis Frederick first

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450
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Speaker 1: stays at left guard. Oh yeah, absolutely. The people will

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Speaker 1: ask would you move would you consider. I just do

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Speaker 1: So I mean, if right, right, but but I keep

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Speaker 1: I think it would be disasters. Yeah, because I think

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mickey, it's not bad. No offense to all

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Speaker 1: us know when you've got someone lined up and there

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Speaker 1: is practice out here eleven am, and we are predicting

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Speaker 1: I got a feeling? Yeah, we kind of. Mickey and

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Speaker 1: was gonna be that way. So okay, hopefully they have

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Speaker 1: to follow suit. Hopefully they will follow suit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they're in pads, it'll be today only, today only. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the first week of the regular season and Wednesday before

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Speaker 1: the first game, right, yes, yes, because next week, two

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Speaker 1: weeks form, you're only going to practice one. I mean seriously,

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Speaker 1: you're looking at a practice today, shorter practice Tomorrow, Friday

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Speaker 1: before a Sunday game, and then so you play on

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Speaker 1: Sunday off, Monday off, Monday practice Tuesday, which is also

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Speaker 1: open to the public here at the start at eleven

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Speaker 1: cutting the roster Friday, Saturday day, and they'll have that

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Speaker 1: weekend off and be back here the following Monday or two, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the kickoff luncheons that Wednesday, also right

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Speaker 1: right before they leave for Houston. Right, So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would say today, if they were going to put pads on,

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Speaker 1: this is it. If so, we're you getting quality practice

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Speaker 1: time for your first unit. If they're not going to

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Speaker 1: play Sunday, night see over the next ten days. You know,

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Speaker 1: I this sounds crazy, but I wrote about some stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, ten points from practice the other day. I thought,

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Speaker 1: for just a Shell's practice, I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: really good practice as far as getting you know, the

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Speaker 1: defense was getting after the offense, which kind of put

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Speaker 1: him in some binds. The guys had to fight on

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Speaker 1: the outside to catch some balls. Prescott had to make

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Speaker 1: some some throws. I kind of liked the practice, even

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Speaker 1: though it was Shells. I was okay with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: one of these guys that believes that what we saw

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Speaker 1: to go to all thirty two teams, I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: their Cowboys practice. As far as the way it's conducted,

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Speaker 1: the physicality of the practice, I'm gonna guarantee it's a

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Speaker 1: top three practice as far as is getting after you know,

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Speaker 1: getting after each other, and the you know, remember those

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Speaker 1: days standing out there. I mean it seemed pretty long,

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Speaker 1: the periods were long, but it was always a padded practice.

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Speaker 1: There was you know, guys were staying healthy, and you

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Speaker 1: know it was it was a lot of really good competition.

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Speaker 1: So I can understand him back and off. I said

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Speaker 1: football here to come. You know, I think the yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think the dress rehearsal game for this

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Speaker 1: football team wasn't this one. I think it was the

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Speaker 1: I think it, yeah, I think it was the second

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Speaker 1: don't need to see now. He carries a big stick

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Speaker 1: why do I need to play Prescott. I think we've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of Prescott at practice. I think we've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of them the first two games. You know,

627
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with him, and I'm important to play Tyrone

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Speaker 1: Travis got enough time with Connor Williams not knowing that

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633
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Speaker 1: suitable replacement at left tackle. Right now, I have a guy.

637
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: It's a fifty fifty player at best or guard. Yeah,

638
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of that goes for Lyle Collins on

639
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: the other side. Those guys got to play. But Collins

640
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: is gonna play because Collins needs to work more in

641
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: his hands and stuff with this new high low thing.

642
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: And I mean I was talking some players and they're like, man, poor,

643
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: poor Lyle Collins. He just he's just now learning how

644
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: to put his hands in the right place and plays

645
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: through the season. Everything cool. Then they come through and

646
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: they say, hey, listen, high low your hands and he's like,

647
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: oh no really, so you know, so hopefully uh you know,

648
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: he gets that all down. But he is, you know,

649
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: he's he's done some really some good things. But I

650
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't play press Scott, any of us. You haven't

651
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: played Zeke the whole summer. No, No, he's done. Yeah,

652
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's keep let's see what if. In fact,

653
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: let's see what's going on with Scarborough in those guys. Yeah,

654
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's find a competition Jackson j Jackson Scarborough.

655
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: If you want to alternate him every series, do that.

656
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: Find a way maybe I don't know. Give you find

657
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: a way to give him a little rhythm and see

658
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: what you got. So Bill Scarborough doing on Tuesday, he

659
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: was dressed, He was dressed, but I didn't see him

660
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: out there. I didn't see him how much he did

661
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: ready to go something. Well, we'll see in respect to

662
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: what you asked about the practices out there. Uh In Oxnard,

663
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: it was interesting comment. Martin and Frederick were on with

664
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: the fan and Travis said this was one of the

665
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: most physical training camps he's ever been through, and it

666
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: was like, well, the sessions weren't longer or harder, But

667
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: I think what happened was with the competition with the

668
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: young guys. The young guys weren't taking plays off, which

669
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: in turn made those guys practice harder and more physical.

670
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: It's like there was no brother in law in going on.

671
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: Used to back in the nineties, right, Nate would go

672
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: up to the line of scrimins, Hey, Kat take this playoff.

673
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man, Okay, dance here. I think he's absolutely right.

674
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: You had a lot of guys, especially with all the

675
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: questions inside it tackle people to play. Ye, Woods caused

676
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: you to play jahad Ward was trying to compete. You

677
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: also had Dayton Jones was having to compete. I mean,

678
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: you had guys inside that they're trying to fight for

679
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: roster spots. So you know, like I say, Antoine Woods

680
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: made his name fighting Travis Frederick, and then all of

681
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: a sudden things they started throwing him out there and said, well, heck,

682
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: if he's crazy enough to fight Frederick, let's throw him

683
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: out there and see what he's got. And he responded, well,

684
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: Phil and Louisiana, you're up on talking cowboys. Phil. Thanks guys,

685
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to talk to you. I listen to you.

686
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: I watch your podcast every day, so this is a treat.

687
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to make a comment and also

688
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: a question. The comment is about gan beret. I have

689
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: a familiarity with it only because my dad was diagnosed

690
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: with it in two thousand and five. He was eighty

691
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: at the time. So it effects people differently depending upon

692
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: their age. So it can affect somebody. It can just

693
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: pop up on somebody in their teams doesn't know an age,

694
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: or I can can strike somebody down in their eighties.

695
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: And the problem with age is that when my dad

696
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with it, he was in his apartment. He

697
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: wasn't a high rise, a four full apartment at home

698
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: of Louisiana, and just thought of them blue. It comes

699
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: upon him and he just dropped to the floor because

700
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: he had lost all of his muscular functions. He could

701
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: not he could not function. He was just laying there

702
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: and he lay there for about a few hours until

703
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: he was found by one of the workers in the complex.

704
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: But it took them thirty days at the Terribone General

705
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: Medical Center to diagnosed it. And at the time, injections

706
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: weren't even I don't think injections were part of the

707
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: the recovery process or or anything. Uh they back then,

708
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're doing it now. Back then

709
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: the remedy or the way to kind of build their

710
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: strength back up is uh. In plasma transfusion that Mickey

711
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: was talking about, Yeah, and I didn't get that part

712
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: of the early part of the show. So it was

713
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: a complete transfusion of plasma. So I mean when they

714
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: said yet and brave, we went huh. And not too

715
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: many people are familiar with. It's just so rare and

716
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: so you know. But the other part of the uh,

717
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: My thoughts were this, uh, and I've been meeting done

718
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: to ask somebody this uh. And I don't know if

719
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: it's been talked about that much, but this Earl Thomas thing,

720
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I know they're not going after him right now. But

721
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: then of you guys find it a contradiction and in

722
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: philosophies when when you know you're reading the print that

723
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: they're not willing to give up a second round draft

724
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: choice for him, So you say, okay, they want to

725
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: give up a second round draft choice for Earl Thomas,

726
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: and it may not be a fair comparison, but yet

727
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: for a way, how many different drafts and they give

728
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: up second round draft choices or a hope that a

729
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: player would be great, like for instance, Randy Grady because

730
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: he's now Barry Food and Jalen Smith he's now very food.

731
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: But they will in the risk second round draft choices

732
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: and guys, they weren't sure we're going to produce. So

733
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: do you guys, I'll hang up and listen, But do

734
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: you guys see any contradiction in philosophy there? The way

735
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: they value a second round draft choice. Thank all right, Phil,

736
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Another example is giving up the second round

737
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: to move up to take Mo Claiborne twenty twelve, or

738
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: moving up to get to Marcus Lawrence in the second round,

739
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: or taking a shot on Sean Lee. Sure. Yeah, so yeah,

740
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: all depends whether it pans out or not. I think

741
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: it's what you think you're getting right, right, You're you're

742
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: getting a You're taking a shot on somebody that's twenty two,

743
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: twenty three years old, not saying I'm going to use

744
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: it on a twenty nine year old player who's on

745
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: a one year deal. And so there's so many different

746
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: layers to this whole Earl Thomas thing Brian will tell you.

747
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: The first layer is Seattle. Seattle. They got to be willing, dude.

748
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: I think I think Seattle is the number one reason

749
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: why this steal hasn't been made. Number two is the contract.

750
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: It's not just a second or third round pick, it's

751
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: how much money do you want to invest in a

752
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old safety? Now? Do you want to

753
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: just take a shot for one year and say okay,

754
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: come and play and then we'll sit it out. Yeah? Yeah,

755
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: at the end and we'll just pay eight and a

756
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: half million dollars. Okay, fine, but do you want to

757
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: sink fourteen million dollars a year into a twenty nine

758
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: year old player? And that's what he wants. That's why

759
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: he's not in Seattle right now. Now, Maybe he says, Oh,

760
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: to come back for Texas, I'll play for ten million. Yeah,

761
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on how much you get guaranteed.

762
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line from all this stuff. And I

763
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: think these players are going to figure out when they

764
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: sign these long term deals, you better put a clause

765
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: going into that last year that if I'm on the

766
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: roster March tenth, then my base salary is guaranteed. Because

767
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: what they worry about is getting hurt and then they

768
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: go into free agency and or they get hurt during

769
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: and you get released. You got to protect yourself going

770
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: into that last year. If you think, and this wasn't

771
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: does his last year of his contract, but I think

772
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: he would have liked to have had something in his contract. Yeah,

773
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: but March tenth that they got to make it yeah

774
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: and give me an opportunity to get into free agency

775
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: if if indeed that does is a classic example of

776
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: a guy that had he been released on March thirteenth

777
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: instead of April thirteenth, the market would have played out

778
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: totally different for him. No, I don't disagree with y'all.

779
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I think though two with the still in my mind,

780
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: have the thought of Dallas at on the clock at

781
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: fifty and being willing to talk about it. So that

782
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: to me, right there says that, Okay, the second round

783
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: pick was in play. But the fact that we like

784
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: a player better at that point, or a guy that

785
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: we really cove it a position, a position we cove it,

786
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I think that says a lot. But the fact that

787
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: they were willing to talk about it and Dallas called

788
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: back to Seattle and out at you know when they

789
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: got I think on the clock at ninety one the

790
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: third round pick, and that's when John Snyder said, no,

791
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. This is on John Snyder.

792
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: This is not on the Dallas Cowboys. When John Snyder's

793
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: ready to check with ready to trade him, if in

794
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: fact he is at all, he needs to call Dallas

795
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: and he just says, okay, this is what I want

796
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: for Earl Thomas. He's got I believe he's got thirty

797
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: other team or twenty nine other teams that he could

798
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: shop him too as well. They're they're calling Earl Thomas bluff.

799
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think if he's, if Earl Thomas is

800
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna be willing to give up John September fourth, Yeah,

801
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: John will not talk to me about him at all.

802
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: And and you know, and rightfully so, I mean I

803
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: worked for this organization. He shouldn't talk to me. But

804
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: the thing about it is he's he's gonna he's gonna

805
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: make Earl Thomas to play. I believe he is, you know,

806
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: And and and that's where and if Earl Thomas is

807
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: it as a conviction, if and maybe Earl Thomas has

808
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: enough money to where he could sit out and for

809
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars a week, more power to him.

810
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: But he's gonna have to come back to get free agency.

811
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to come back in week ten. You know,

812
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Seahawks want to go that route.

813
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: And I told the story yesterday. There are people within

814
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: the organization that want Earl Thomas gone. They wanted him

815
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: gone after he went and made the run to the

816
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: locker room at AT and T Stadium. But then there's

817
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: also the coaching side of it, where Pete Carroll's like, no, no,

818
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: let's not do this. So you know, coaches want to

819
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: keep all the best players they can. Coaches aren't interested

820
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: in just moving guys along just on principle, you know.

821
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: So John's going to call this guy's bluff and see

822
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: if the fact that he does, if he's going to

823
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: sit out for eight hundred thousand dollars a week. All right,

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Speaker 1: opener against the Carolina Panthers and on the heels of

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Speaker 1: they not only have Kawan short, but in the off

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Speaker 1: season they signed on Terry Poe. Sure and he can

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00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: give a center fits. And then Travis Frederick fits first time.

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Speaker 1: Remember that in Kansas City. That's right, and uh, and

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Speaker 1: then the second week you got Snacks Harrison and the

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Speaker 1: Giant two have switched to a three four three four.

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Speaker 1: He'll be lined up right over the center, won't he

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00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: sure will. Yeah, So Looney just let you know, yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we knew it wasn't going to be easy with

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Speaker 1: Travis Frederick in the lineup. We kind of felt like

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Speaker 1: that exactly. The NFC South, the AFC South, those are

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Speaker 1: you know, those are some difficult games. You can't go

891
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: you can't go in those games and be two and six.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got you've got to find a way to,

893
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, to to win one of those divisions. I

894
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: mean when I mean when a three and a one,

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00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, two and two split something. But you just

896
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: can't let those two your your own divisions is difficult

897
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Speaker 1: as well. So you know you've got to find a

898
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Speaker 1: way not to be one in three going either in

899
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Speaker 1: those divisions. When you look when they win thirteen games,

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Speaker 1: what they do. They swept the North, They swept both norths,

901
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Speaker 1: which I didn't think was possible the NFC North with

902
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Speaker 1: the Packers Vikings. You know, won all those games and

903
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Speaker 1: then you turn around and you beat at the Steelers Baltimore.

904
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: That that's the difficult So but the huge thing at

905
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: season is the way they played on the road. Yes, absolutely,

906
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Speaker 1: especially with a rookie quarterback runs so in the center

907
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: to helping him out and lou Of and loeu of that.

908
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think Brian has been

909
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: pointing out and helped maybe the Connor Williams is that

910
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: they've been doing a lot of pulling. Yes, so maybe

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Speaker 1: that continues. So Joe Looney is not sitting there one

912
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: on one with Don Terry Poe every snap, right, Like,

913
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: you get them moving. Yeah, the thing you get those

914
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: guys moving, it helps your it ends too. If you

915
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Speaker 1: have tight ends that aren't James Hannah, that are a

916
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: good point of attack, point of attack blockers. Anytime you

917
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: can angle block your line or you're tight end, it

918
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: makes it easier because you're not asking guys to physically

919
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Speaker 1: move somebody out of the way. You're making them have

920
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Speaker 1: to run through you to get to the ball. Now,

921
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Speaker 1: what has been Paul Alexander's philosophy as far as zone blocking.

922
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: We've seen it. Now we're starting to see it because

923
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: because I saw reports the last couple of years in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: they were complaining from a media fans. Never we're complaining

925
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: about too much zone blocking, too much zone blocking. Yeah,

926
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Speaker 1: maybe it had more to do with the personnel. It's

927
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: exactly right. And I was talking with Mark Colombo about

928
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Speaker 1: that before we got on the plane and I said, hey,

929
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Speaker 1: you know the high hand low hand. He goes, Hey,

930
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Speaker 1: it's just not that. He goes, I've done since, you know,

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Speaker 1: with working with Bill Callahan and then working with Frank

932
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Speaker 1: Pollock and now working with this guy. He goes, I've

933
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Speaker 1: seen power gap schemes. I've seen you know, zone schemes.

934
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Speaker 1: I've seen far reach zone schemes. He's kind of talking about.

935
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Speaker 1: These guys have had to go through a lot of

936
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Speaker 1: different but I feel like that they're going to take

937
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: advantage of the offensive lines ability to get on the edge.

938
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Speaker 1: Smith Williams Joe Looney was pulling the other day and

939
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Speaker 1: some stuff, you know Martin can pull. We saw what happened.

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Speaker 1: Martin got when he was pulling, He got, he got

941
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Speaker 1: dinged up. But they by the way, he didn't blame

942
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Speaker 1: that dB for what happened to him, he said, and

943
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Speaker 1: in fact, that's what he said. He said, you know

944
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Speaker 1: what if I was a dB, that's the way that

945
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Speaker 1: they're taught that they're taught to get to the ground

946
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Speaker 1: quick and try and check that out. But that Kurtpatrick, Yeah,

947
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Speaker 1: Draker Patrick. But I also saw something very positive again

948
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Speaker 1: one of the great things of working at the Stars.

949
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Speaker 1: He was out there working with Britt Brown yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know that's good. We can stand up and

951
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: turn oh hey, who's that. Oh, it's sat Martin out

952
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: there working. So I think that's a positive sign that

953
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: he's out there and trying to to rehab himself and

954
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: get him going the right way. And he's been engaged

955
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: with the team throughout. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know what

956
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Speaker 1: I bet he becomes if if Travis isn't in the

957
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: locker room every day because he's sort of the leader

958
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: of the pack right at that offensive line, and it

959
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: would really have taken a more leadership role on the offense.

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00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: I bet Zach Martin now steps up. I've just noticed

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Speaker 1: how he's conducted himself in interviews lately. He's more forthcoming,

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00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: he's more forceful in his answers, and I think if

963
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Speaker 1: you're looking for a guy to kind of take charge

964
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: of that offensive line room, it's going to be Zach.

965
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Speaker 1: War He feels a responsibility to the Joneses for his contract, right.

966
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: He feels like, hey, I've got to find a way

967
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: to I'm sure Travis feels that same way. Yeah. Yeah,

968
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: these guys are very mindful of the you know. And

969
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I saw some people asking on Twitter and say, well, hey,

970
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: good for Travis Frederick. He got paid. You know, if

971
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: something happens Lacy got paid. I'm like, that's just a

972
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: bad attitude to have about it. You know, it's not

973
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: about you worry about the guy's health first. And but

974
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: there are people saying, oh, he got paid. I'm like,

975
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: that's just a terrible way of looking at you. But

976
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: there's a need and Zack Martin has his quality about him,

977
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: as does Travis Frederick, as does Tyron Smith. There's a conviction,

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00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: a strength of mind that you had doubt have after

979
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: you get paid that kind of money, No doubt, there

980
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: is an extra pressure on that player to they if

981
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: they feel the same way about the organization because they

982
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: want to make sure that they are earning that money.

983
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Talk to Tyron Crawford about that, right, Yeah. Tyron Crawford

984
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that he doesn't show up

985
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: in the box score. We always say that that's when

986
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: those baseball sayings. But he is a guy that if

987
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: you if you look at what he does on film

988
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: every game, it's not the flashiest thing, but he is

989
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: going to find a way to get Randy Gregory home

990
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: this year. He is going to find a way who

991
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: ever plays next to him, He's going to do whatever

992
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: he has to do. If he can't get himself home

993
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: on a rush or make a play, he's going to

994
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: get somebody else around him home. By the way he

995
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: plays and the fact that he's probably gonna have to

996
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: play a lot of three technique until they kind of

997
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: figure things out through the first four weeks this season,

998
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I think that's just, you know, admirable thing you can

999
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: bust on him all you want, but the guy is

1000
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: one of the To me, he has earned his salary.

1001
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: And it's not all about sacks. It's about how you

1002
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: help others around you get better. And he's done that

1003
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: for sure. All right, fin a minute or so, and

1004
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: he certainly could have been like, oh, you're gonna move

1005
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: me inside. I'm a defensive end, and he would. When

1006
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: I talked to him on Tuesday, he was just fine

1007
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: with him whatever. Its a matter of fact, he was laughing.

1008
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: He looked at me and he goes, do you have

1009
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: to ask? He goes, you knew this was going to happen.

1010
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Are you surprised? But he was good with it. And

1011
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: that's what Marinelli said. He goes, what a great team leader.

1012
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: He will do anything I ask him to do. Yep.

1013
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: And so we'll keep an eye on that today. See

1014
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Speaker 1: if Randy Gregory's still working with the first team. That's true.

1015
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: A couple of minutes left here actually, And so we're

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Speaker 1: Arizona on Sunday night. What are you looking for? Sunday

1017
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: night against Arizona? A lot of young guys getting an

1018
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: opportunity to make their career in the National Football League

1019
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: with the amount of injuries, the amount of guys that

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00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna hold out just because a lot of guys

1021
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: are gonna get a chance. Cam Kelly Tyree Robinson a

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00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: huge you know. And we saw Robinson in the in

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00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: the in the in the practice on Tuesday, playing center

1024
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: field and picking one off. Yeah, so let's go. Let's

1025
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Speaker 1: let's see it. Kadeem Edwards big time? Are you Are

1026
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: you going to be the eighth offensive lineman or is

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00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: there somebody at Tampa Bay or New Orleans it's better

1028
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: than you. They have to figure that out with him,

1029
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: because right now, until until Zack Martin gets back, that

1030
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: is your right guard for your Dallas Cowboys. Cam Fleming,

1031
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: get out there and make me feel better about if

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00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: you have to play, you know, and not to mention

1033
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: the wide receiver series and the quarter and the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is gonna be a great opportunity for

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Speaker 1: both of those quarterbacks to get snaps in a National

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Speaker 1: Football League game. Uh, and Cooper Rush needs them. Mike

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00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: White is showing signs. Okay, get out there showing me

1038
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: the next the tight ends, same thing. There's tough to

1039
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: accomplish in these last couple of games, all right, And

1040
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: then we turn around then four days later and finish

1041
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: out the preseason at Houston next Thursday. We will be

1042
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: back on Monday to wrap up what happened on Sunday

1043
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Speaker 1: Night and Jason Garrett coming up next year on Dallas

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