WEBVTT - Our Grief Is Political 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.440 Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.960 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.560 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, This is episode eighty nine of 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.200 Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.640 things politics and culture. We got some good topics today, 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.880 and we are your hosts, Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, and 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.240 Andrew Gillen. What y'all got today? 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.640 Well, I don't know if it's a good topic, but 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.800 a sad topic that I want to talk about is 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.960 the tragic, untimely passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner, who we 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.120 grew up with as THEO and I've been seeing all 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.280 the tributes pour in, so I definitely want to share 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.760 some reflections on his life and what he meant to us. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.440 And I'll join you in that. Angela, Tiffany, we got 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.320 to talk about this Biden set of interviews. Not Joe Biden, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.840 but it's Sun Hunter. What's he talking about? I think 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.360 y'all want to stay tuned to hear what he's had 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.040 to say lately. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.600 It's definitely said some things so we've been saying for 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.840 many years now. Say her name in reference to Sandra 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.120 Bland and then of course to Breonna Taylor and so 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.720 many others where I'm from in Seattle, Charlene and Lyles. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.080 But An officer was finally sentenced related to the shooting 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.480 death of Brehanna Taylor and Louisville, Kentucky. This week, we 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:20.839 also discussed that, Okay, theo here's another question for you. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.080 What was Prometheus's punishment for bringing fire to man? 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:25.679 He was Jane to a boulder. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.080 You know, it's exciting to be so near to your 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.720 great mind? 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.639 Well, could you get a little nearer to my great mind? 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.399 That was, of course Malcolm Jamal Warner, who tragically passed 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.240 away this week in Costa Rica. He was there on 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.080 vacation with his wife and daughter. And you know this, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.560 I think this death hit us all in such a 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.480 way because of what the Cosby Show meant to black 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.480 life here in America, So everybody, but more closely to us. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.240 It was interesting even watching the media this morning because 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.680 Ozzy Osbourne also passed away, and you saw on a 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.600 lot of the morning shows it was all these like 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.000 long tributes and interviews over Ozzy Osbourne. And I think 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.240 so many of us in Black America thought man, we 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.080 lost someone who was a member of an institution this week. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.200 The interesting thing to me, I'm sure it's true for 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.960 you guys. The Cosby Show had such a large audience 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.120 in the eighties. Every Thursday, they would capture fifty percent 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.440 of the TV viewing audience. Now you don't get those 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.560 kind of numbers anymore. Super Bowl doesn't even get those 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.840 kind of numbers anymore. Yeah, So fifty percent of the 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.640 people who had televisions were tuned into The Cosby Show, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.480 and we could just drop things like Gordon Guard Trail 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.000 and the bands he used to make, and all the 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.000 things that he the classic timeless memories that he gave us. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.720 And I know so many it hit me. It makes 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.440 me sad. But interview in particular, I know so many 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.880 black men or even Angela, like the black men we know. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.560 I know so many black men who said this death 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.440 struck them so hard, like they're like my whole day 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.200 or generation. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:08.000 Yeah. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.320 Yeah, So I'm curious how a death struck you guys. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.760 Okay, yeah, I think that one. I just want to 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.520 comment on the type of person that Malcolm Jamal Warner was. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.560 I didn't have the privilege of being very close to him, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.639 but every time we had an interaction or in exchange, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.640 he was always so uplifting, so encouraging, always, you know, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.680 good jobs. This just really really for the people, and 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.440 it feels like he really loved life. I am devastated 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.800 for his young family. I feel so badly that that 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.960 is what is happening for them. And then to be 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.720 on a family vacation getting away from this crazy country 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.680 right now, you know, to be trying to be free 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.600 and then to end up with a different kind of 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.240 freedom that traumatizes your loved ones is just a lot. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.040 I will say. What's been interesting to me are the 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.400 number of Black men who I know in their late 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.400 forties early fifties who are like, oh my God, like 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.800 there's something about his death and his passing that makes 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.280 the unknown of life really come to terms for them 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.200 in a lot of ways. So I empathize with our 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:27.280 dear brothers, but also for us because this is tough 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.400 and it does feel like someone we grew up with, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.160 that whole family on air, it feels like you're up 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:33.640 with them, So it does feel like a part of 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.920 us is gone at a time where we need to 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.720 cling onto everything that feels really good. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.880 Yeah, Tiffany your comments about how television has been treating 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:49.240 his legacy at this time, it actually saddens me because 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.320 his impact is so outsized. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.120 I think people really really ignore that their own at 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:03.919 their own embarrassment that white householes brown black households. But 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.719 of course, as you said earlier, specifically us, I mean 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.839 I was this was one of the first Black American 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.480 families that white people got introduced to by way of 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.320 helping to shape their update on the diversity and the 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.839 dimensions of black folks that were not what you see 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:30.359 in the evening reel where that plus so much more 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.600 that can't be captured. And I just you know you 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.680 mentioned it feels like a family member somebody were close to. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.040 He actually had this, you know, this spirit about him 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.040 that made you feel like you knew him, you know, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.919 everybody's friend if you will, and an enemy to none, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.760 but also a very strong, unapologetic brother who allowed his 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:57.280 emotions not to lead him, but he led them, and 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.360 then was so open and increasingly transparent with us before 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.800 it was him to share what his mental state was, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.640 how he was doing, what post Cosby life was like, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.120 what it meant to have all syndications stripped from television 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.159 for a period of time and how you negotiate that space. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.240 I mean, just so incredible and I'm with you. The 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.279 loss of a dad, a young dad, you know, a 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:27.240 husband and a father. It really made me feel this weekend, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.080 and my brother sent me a text you know, along 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:35.880 these lines. It just made me really reflective of life 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.200 because Malcolm Jamal Warner felt like like he was of 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.240 our age group, and in many ways really is and 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.880 we saw ourselves reflected in him on TV as he 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.880 grew up. So rest in peace and power. Brother. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.200 Yes, Angela rightfully pointed out before we came on air 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.279 that he didn't want to just be known as THEO, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.040 which I imagine is challenging if everyone sees you and they 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.080 always see Theos. So he went on, of course, to 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.840 play a lot of other roles, and what many of 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.960 you may know is he was quite the accomplished spoken 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.560 word artist, even a Grammy winner behind it. So we 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.880 want to close out this segment with a few spoken 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.400 words from Malcolm Jamal Warner, rest in power. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.360 Before you get about here, would you mind doing a poem? 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:31.280 This piece is a Sante sana about a gun and comrade. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.200 But you're still in that freedom shit word, Well you 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.560 know what I mean this poetry, we still be on 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.680 that weedam shit, that birthing inspirational couplets and breedom, shit 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.960 that I spit cats should heat them, Shit that words 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.480 can't break my bones, but if you cut me homes, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:57.600 I bleed them. Shit atonement for the masses of hard 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.400 asses and heads that tread on civil liberty in the 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.920 most uncivilized fashion is said to be dead. Can we 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.239 afford to be dumb for free? See? That's the question 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.200 I'm asking as I beg for an ounce of truth 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:18.880 amongst the aloof surrounding me. We descendants of stolen legacies, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:27.040 children of ancestors who cannot be broken, birthers, and bearers 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.840 of a culture that has been repeatedly robbed and ransacked 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.240 to feed the spiritually famine like a black woman's bosom. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:41.080 We who become a pre existing condition simply because we 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:50.520 pre exist. We who realize we are worthy. We are 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.960 the guardians. We are the gardeners. We are the soil. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.520 We are the toil. We are the protectors of our 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.920 sieves who need to be protected, who need to see 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:06.120 true love and black excellence redirected, not through fame and fortune, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:12.800 but redirected through character. Indeed, and indeed, it is those 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.680 who stand on the front line fighting for the minds 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.720 of our young, black and gifted. It is you who 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.520 are in inspiration to me, because you are the revolution 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.839 we do not see on TV. A Sante Sana. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.760 There's the only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.480 studying bribricarbonate and water and heat. Literally that's it. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.680 And those things are pretty much free. If you go 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.800 to like a science store. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:54.280 This is free. You can go to your neighborhood convenience 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.440 store and just get anyway. I don't want to tell 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.400 people how to make how to make crack cocaine, but 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.720 it literally is. And many star cocaine and baking soda. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:02.880 How different is the experience. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.800 It's vastly, vastly different, And like, for real, I feel 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.880 really reluctant to kind of have some EU fork discussion. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.440 I know you're not asking me to do that, but 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.520 have some U fork discussion about crack cocaine. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.199 I think this might be kind of the opposite here. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.640 Okay, no, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying. I don't 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.599 want to have the experience of some you for a 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.640 Greek call. That's how powerful crack cocaine is. My point 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.040 about it that your point about it, which I think 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.840 is true, is that there's a thing about crack that 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.920 is really insidious. And what it is is that anytime, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.520 you know, I think one of the reasons that they 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.720 believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.440 combines three really important things. It's habit for me. There 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.480 is an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.520 with it. You have your cigarette in the morning, you 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.120 have a cigarette when you get out of the car, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.760 you have your cigarette with your coffee. Crack is that 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.640 on steroids. This is like a PSA if you want 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.280 to completely utterly up your life. You know, I don't 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.760 think that anything is necessarily oh you do it once. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.040 You addict that. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:14.120 But there's about the closest thing that the statement could 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.600 be true would be with crack cocaine. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.199 In this segment, he's going through this journey. A lot 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.320 of people are like, oh, this is he's trying to 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.200 recruit people in the crack cocaine, and I don't think 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.280 that's true at all. What I think is one Hunter 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:33.520 Biden is so damn brilliant number one. Number two like 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.280 hearing him say like, I'm not trying to have a 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.400 euphoric like conversation about it because of what yeah, where 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.240 it We'll send him? I think is so responsible. And 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.240 then three, I really appreciated what he said at the 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.560 end about it's a PSA and I'm just saying this 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.120 because hopefully we end up cutting it, you know, forty 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.199 five seconds in. I think that it's smart to just say, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.320 you know, this is this is what it was. This 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.679 is the single difference. And I got to tell y'all 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.160 when I was watching this, my immediate thought was, I 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.640 wonder if he was already experiencing with or having the 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:13.080 experiences with crack when the Crime Bill came out. And 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.640 the reason why I thought that is because he talks 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.000 to Jamie, which I know we're also going to play 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:24.280 some podcasts or podcast clip from about his father being 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.200 really really strict, Like people think that his dad was like, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.959 you know, anything goes because of the trauma they experience, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.840 but he says, you know, it was quite the opposite. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.800 So I was wondering if his dad was trying to 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.560 punish the system and punish him through the crime bill 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.760 doesn't justify what after, don't justify what happened. But I 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.000 was fascinated by it because of the very simple a 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.240 distinction that many of us have heard of, studied know 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.920 about between crack and cocaine. But the way he explained it, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.200 it immediately sent me to I wonder if that's what 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.560 happened with the Crime Bill. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:02.360 Interesting, a lot of people had that same I don't 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.120 think it's even exclusive to Joe Biden, who was in 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.440 the Senate at the time. I think a lot of people, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.160 including people in the black community. To your point, Angela, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:17.640 felt enraged at what was happening in our communities, and sadly, 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.840 we looked to the system that was destroying us to 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.360 self correct. When the system was functioning as it was intended, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.319 the biggest drug dealer in the marketplace was the United 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:34.280 States government, So just when it it was it was 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.960 intended for us. But then when it got to white kids, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.440 that's when it was a problem. But I just like 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.840 to remind people because everyone's so mad about the Crime Bill, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.320 and it's like, listen, those of us who are old enough, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.320 remember black folks were right out there on that crime bill. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.680 Black mamas and Grandmama's were right there, so we have 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:57.120 to you kind of reconcile with that decades later, you know, 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.199 And it was desperation because I feel I genuinely he's 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.720 talking about it. I feel bad for him because when 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.640 you consider how crack cocaine came to be, it's like, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.520 you're coming out of the seventies and cocaine was like 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.200 this party drug and people were still smoking weed. And 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.080 in the eighties people are like, oh, I got something 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.319 like we like, smoke this and see if you like it. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.200 So you had regular everyday people smoke something once and 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.800 it hooked them. They got their claws in them and 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.200 they couldn't function without it, and that created a generation 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.720 of loss and killing and robbery. So I have an 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.480 incredible amount of empathy for him, and I wonder how 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.760 it would have been had we met the crack cocaine 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.480 addiction with the same empathy we did the opioid crisis 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.480 with the same targeting of the dealers. You know, the 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.480 Sackware family is persona non grata anywhere, Yet the US 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:57.400 government continues it's ill practices, the CIA continues to function. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.520 The CIA never really because they were selling drugs to 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.720 support their political ambitions in Central America. They still do 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.760 the same shit all the time because it disproportionately impacted us. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.000 So I just I feel bad. I don't want people 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.760 to make fun of Hunter Biden in this interview. You 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.720 know how we did with Whitney and Crack and Whack 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.520 and all that stuff, and it's like, man, these people 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.240 really suffer, suffer from this. So I have an incredible 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.560 amount of empathy for him and Joe Biden because I 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.400 even hearing that, I imagine Joe Biden even listening to that. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:31.000 It has to hurt him. After losing Bo, after losing 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.280 his wife and sons. He's just seen a lot of 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.240 tragedy and a lot of Black people confronted a lot 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.000 of tragedy because of the drug and also because of 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.880 a crime bill that we are still confronting. We are 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.760 still dealing with the fallout from the crime Bill and 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.560 the remnants of it are resurfacing. So what I actually 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.680 would be okay hearing the clip in its entirety, But. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.680 Yeah, well before we do that, I just I wanted 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.520 to flag to Tip's point. Yes, Joe Biden was in 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.120 the Senate when the crime bill was passed. He also 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.640 authored it. So that was my point, and I would 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.520 say this too, that yes, there were a ton of 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.760 black families, but we didn't hear about the white ones. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.160 We didn't hear. When you look turned on news at 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.440 nighttime during this era, all you saw were black people 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.840 and crackheads. A crackhead image is the image of someone 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.200 black you never saw. And that's why I'm saying, like 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.240 to me, that is the phenomenon here, part. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:34.520 Of the government media consperience, exactly. That's exactly as to 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:38.880 brand it a certain way. And poor people in Appalachia 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.920 and all the states that that that those great mountains 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:53.200 touch are suffering in the shadows. I mean hunger, pains, addiction, obviously, death, suicide, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:17:00.640 you know, people at a stop light and overdosing. I mean, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.479 the American carnage on American streets during that period of 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.919 time may have been whitewashed in those moments, but if 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.480 you paid at all any attention to local news at night, 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.159 you saw the sirens, and you saw some of the 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:19.000 most horrific images that you know, my mind still won't forget, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:27.440 where people literally appear comatose and almost under some spell walking, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:33.360 you know, out loud, but vacant, you know in their person. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.560 I mean it was. It was a horrible time in 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.960 this country treated the victims of that addiction crisis horribly. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.479 And again I think it goes to show and we 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.960 already know this that you know, certain faces and newer 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.879 certain reactions. You know, those poor kids from Somalia that 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.080 were on our television screens as kids, you know, could 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.480 hardly compare to the one orphan white child. You know, uh, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.120 set set beside them doing the commercial break. We had empathy, 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.640 We had care that that person, that that white baby 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.119 was human. And you know those black babies looking emaciated, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:16.320 all they want is some food, rice, right water, and 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.719 you know that's what those people deserve. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.040 Yeah. Well, we hopped right into the crack cocaine conversation, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.800 but we didn't get into all things political and the truth, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.920 the rest of the truth that Hunter Biden has to share. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:40.760 We'll do that right after this break. So the other 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.720 thing I want to just get into, So again for 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.560 those of you who don't know, we jumped right into 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.199 the crack. We didn't say that that was Hunter Biden. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.360 We did, We really did. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.760 We jumped right into right. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.000 Yeah, we jumped right into the crack, but we didn't 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.120 say that. That's Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.320 and he's talking about his experience with crack cocaine. But 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.320 he also talked a lot talk about a lot more 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.960 in this interview. One clip in particular has to do 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:16.679 with the candidate, the Democratic Party's candidate from this past November, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.679 Kamala Harris. I want to roll that clip. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.800 Only person that he would ever, ever ever endorse off 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.800 out of the gate because he chose her as his 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.360 vice president. There's no choice in that. And by the way, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.680 I love Kamala Harris. I think that she would have 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.840 made an incredible president. I know that she was an 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.560 incredibly loyal vice president and she did everything that she 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.720 could to support my dad everything and to support me 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.280 and my family personally. I mean, I truly love her 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.720 like family, and I think that she would have made 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.600 an incredible president. And I think she r in an 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.760 incredible campaign. You know who did not want Kamala Harris 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.480 to be president and did not want her to be 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.360 the nominee. Nancy Pelosi didn't want her to be None 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.080 of Nancy Pelosi's people wanted he to. They wanted an 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.240 open convention, they wanted a floor fight, they wanted a 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.120 I don't know what the hell they wanted, but they 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.440 wanted to be the ones to anoint whoever they were 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.040 going to annoint to become the next president of the 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:12.680 United States. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:13.680 Who do you think that would have been. 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:14.240 I don't know. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.800 I really don't know. I don't have any idea. All 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.159 I know is that they definitely did not want Kamala 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.680 Harris and again, which undermined her, which undermined the campaign. 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.959 You know, I mean I look at these people and 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.159 talk about, like, well, where were they? We had one 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.680 hundred days, she got a hundred. She literally was handed 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.080 one hundred million dollar check. She ran her ass off. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:38.960 She had an incredible organization, incredible grassroots organization. David Pluff 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:39.800 took over the campaign. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:40.760 You know what did they do? 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:42.200 Well? 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.120 I didn't realize that was in the same clip as 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:49.560 the Nancy Pelosi clip. But yes, I actually another clip 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.160 back to back so we could just deal with all 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.439 this at once. But let's go ahead and read the 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.520 clip from Jamie Harrison's new show, New Podcast, where he 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.679 also interviews Hunter Biden, and he talks about this nomination process. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.560 Because there were some people who wanted Joe Biden to 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.360 step down, but they didn't want Kamla Harris either. 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:07.400 Yeah, we know who they are. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.480 They did not want Kamala Harris as well. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.359 They were already playing them, I mean. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:14.399 At our table. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:23.479 But my but you're right, okay, And uh look, Jamie, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:28.000 you you you can attest to this. If not anything, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:29.440 Joe Biden is. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.879 Loyal, Yes, is loyal. He's loyal. 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.000 So I don't ever want to say anything on that. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.720 It's like I'm speaking on his behalf because my dad 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:46.760 wouldn't say an ill word regardless of how wrong he was. 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.680 And you know it, but it doesn't mean his son 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.640 can't feel it sometimes, And like I said, I'd say 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.560 it over and over. I say it just one more 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:02.320 time to make certain that clear. I love of President Obama. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:11.119 I love what he achieved for this country. I respect 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.880 and honor what the people that worked for him were 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.080 able to achieve in the eight years that he was president. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:24.080 And I feel the same about Speaker Pelosi and the 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.960 people that have tirelessly worked on her behalf and her 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.760 staff and her family to allow her to achieve the 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.840 things that she's achieved on behalf of millions and millions 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.760 of Americans. Okay, I would only ask this is that 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.320 they showed the same respect to my dad. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.560 So I thought we should get into that because one 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.879 you already saw him name names on the other clip, 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.359 and there's something I don't know how y'all feel watching this, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:57.440 but for me one again, I want to applaud his intelligence, 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.280 his candor. He's like, I'm gonna try. You can see 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.000 him trying to kind of do right by Jamie at 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.359 interview because he's like, yeah, I. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.760 Know, he was only considerate of Jamie there had he 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.520 been you know, left his own devices. Well, I mean 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.760 I think he said more in that initial interview, which 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.480 is how we could tell his hedging, you know, was 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.600 an effect, you know, probably towards the protection of Jamie 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.679 more than anything, because he seems extremely clear about what 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:31.000 went down. Yeah, even though he was going through his 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.760 row on his own you know, personal trial, a prosecution 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.720 that should never have been bought, by the way, and 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:40.400