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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, This is episode eighty nine of
Speaker 1: Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all
Speaker 1: things politics and culture. We got some good topics today,
Speaker 1: and we are your hosts, Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, and
Speaker 1: Andrew Gillen. What y'all got today?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it's a good topic, but
Speaker 3: a sad topic that I want to talk about is
Speaker 3: the tragic, untimely passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner, who we
Speaker 3: grew up with as THEO and I've been seeing all
Speaker 3: the tributes pour in, so I definitely want to share
Speaker 3: some reflections on his life and what he meant to us.
Speaker 4: And I'll join you in that. Angela, Tiffany, we got
Speaker 4: to talk about this Biden set of interviews. Not Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: but it's Sun Hunter. What's he talking about? I think
Speaker 4: y'all want to stay tuned to hear what he's had
Speaker 4: to say lately.
Speaker 1: It's definitely said some things so we've been saying for
Speaker 1: many years now. Say her name in reference to Sandra
Speaker 1: Bland and then of course to Breonna Taylor and so
Speaker 1: many others where I'm from in Seattle, Charlene and Lyles.
Speaker 1: But An officer was finally sentenced related to the shooting
Speaker 1: death of Brehanna Taylor and Louisville, Kentucky. This week, we
Speaker 1: also discussed that, Okay, theo here's another question for you.
Speaker 5: What was Prometheus's punishment for bringing fire to man?
Speaker 6: He was Jane to a boulder.
Speaker 4: You know, it's exciting to be so near to your
Speaker 4: great mind?
Speaker 6: Well, could you get a little nearer to my great mind?
Speaker 3: That was, of course Malcolm Jamal Warner, who tragically passed
Speaker 3: away this week in Costa Rica. He was there on
Speaker 3: vacation with his wife and daughter. And you know this,
Speaker 3: I think this death hit us all in such a
Speaker 3: way because of what the Cosby Show meant to black
Speaker 3: life here in America, So everybody, but more closely to us.
Speaker 3: It was interesting even watching the media this morning because
Speaker 3: Ozzy Osbourne also passed away, and you saw on a
Speaker 3: lot of the morning shows it was all these like
Speaker 3: long tributes and interviews over Ozzy Osbourne. And I think
Speaker 3: so many of us in Black America thought man, we
Speaker 3: lost someone who was a member of an institution this week.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing to me, I'm sure it's true for
Speaker 3: you guys. The Cosby Show had such a large audience
Speaker 3: in the eighties. Every Thursday, they would capture fifty percent
Speaker 3: of the TV viewing audience. Now you don't get those
Speaker 3: kind of numbers anymore. Super Bowl doesn't even get those
Speaker 3: kind of numbers anymore. Yeah, So fifty percent of the
Speaker 3: people who had televisions were tuned into The Cosby Show,
Speaker 3: and we could just drop things like Gordon Guard Trail
Speaker 3: and the bands he used to make, and all the
Speaker 3: things that he the classic timeless memories that he gave us.
Speaker 3: And I know so many it hit me. It makes
Speaker 3: me sad. But interview in particular, I know so many
Speaker 3: black men or even Angela, like the black men we know.
Speaker 3: I know so many black men who said this death
Speaker 3: struck them so hard, like they're like my whole day
Speaker 3: or generation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm curious how a death struck you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think that one. I just want to
Speaker 1: comment on the type of person that Malcolm Jamal Warner was.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the privilege of being very close to him,
Speaker 1: but every time we had an interaction or in exchange,
Speaker 1: he was always so uplifting, so encouraging, always, you know,
Speaker 1: good jobs. This just really really for the people, and
Speaker 1: it feels like he really loved life. I am devastated
Speaker 1: for his young family. I feel so badly that that
Speaker 1: is what is happening for them. And then to be
Speaker 1: on a family vacation getting away from this crazy country
Speaker 1: right now, you know, to be trying to be free
Speaker 1: and then to end up with a different kind of
Speaker 1: freedom that traumatizes your loved ones is just a lot.
Speaker 1: I will say. What's been interesting to me are the
Speaker 1: number of Black men who I know in their late
Speaker 1: forties early fifties who are like, oh my God, like
Speaker 1: there's something about his death and his passing that makes
Speaker 1: the unknown of life really come to terms for them
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. So I empathize with our
Speaker 1: dear brothers, but also for us because this is tough
Speaker 1: and it does feel like someone we grew up with,
Speaker 1: that whole family on air, it feels like you're up
Speaker 1: with them, So it does feel like a part of
Speaker 1: us is gone at a time where we need to
Speaker 1: cling onto everything that feels really good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Tiffany your comments about how television has been treating
Speaker 7: his legacy at this time, it actually saddens me because
Speaker 7: his impact is so outsized.
Speaker 4: I think people really really ignore that their own at
Speaker 4: their own embarrassment that white householes brown black households. But
Speaker 4: of course, as you said earlier, specifically us, I mean
Speaker 4: I was this was one of the first Black American
Speaker 4: families that white people got introduced to by way of
Speaker 4: helping to shape their update on the diversity and the
Speaker 4: dimensions of black folks that were not what you see
Speaker 4: in the evening reel where that plus so much more
Speaker 4: that can't be captured. And I just you know you
Speaker 4: mentioned it feels like a family member somebody were close to.
Speaker 4: He actually had this, you know, this spirit about him
Speaker 4: that made you feel like you knew him, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody's friend if you will, and an enemy to none,
Speaker 4: but also a very strong, unapologetic brother who allowed his
Speaker 4: emotions not to lead him, but he led them, and
Speaker 4: then was so open and increasingly transparent with us before
Speaker 4: it was him to share what his mental state was,
Speaker 4: how he was doing, what post Cosby life was like,
Speaker 4: what it meant to have all syndications stripped from television
Speaker 4: for a period of time and how you negotiate that space.
Speaker 4: I mean, just so incredible and I'm with you. The
Speaker 4: loss of a dad, a young dad, you know, a
Speaker 4: husband and a father. It really made me feel this weekend,
Speaker 4: and my brother sent me a text you know, along
Speaker 4: these lines. It just made me really reflective of life
Speaker 4: because Malcolm Jamal Warner felt like like he was of
Speaker 4: our age group, and in many ways really is and
Speaker 4: we saw ourselves reflected in him on TV as he
Speaker 4: grew up. So rest in peace and power. Brother.
Speaker 3: Yes, Angela rightfully pointed out before we came on air
Speaker 3: that he didn't want to just be known as THEO,
Speaker 3: which I imagine is challenging if everyone sees you and they
Speaker 3: always see Theos. So he went on, of course, to
Speaker 3: play a lot of other roles, and what many of
Speaker 3: you may know is he was quite the accomplished spoken
Speaker 3: word artist, even a Grammy winner behind it. So we
Speaker 3: want to close out this segment with a few spoken
Speaker 3: words from Malcolm Jamal Warner, rest in power.
Speaker 5: Before you get about here, would you mind doing a poem?
Speaker 6: This piece is a Sante sana about a gun and comrade.
Speaker 6: But you're still in that freedom shit word, Well you
Speaker 6: know what I mean this poetry, we still be on
Speaker 6: that weedam shit, that birthing inspirational couplets and breedom, shit
Speaker 6: that I spit cats should heat them, Shit that words
Speaker 6: can't break my bones, but if you cut me homes,
Speaker 6: I bleed them. Shit atonement for the masses of hard
Speaker 6: asses and heads that tread on civil liberty in the
Speaker 6: most uncivilized fashion is said to be dead. Can we
Speaker 6: afford to be dumb for free? See? That's the question
Speaker 6: I'm asking as I beg for an ounce of truth
Speaker 6: amongst the aloof surrounding me. We descendants of stolen legacies,
Speaker 6: children of ancestors who cannot be broken, birthers, and bearers
Speaker 6: of a culture that has been repeatedly robbed and ransacked
Speaker 6: to feed the spiritually famine like a black woman's bosom.
Speaker 6: We who become a pre existing condition simply because we
Speaker 6: pre exist. We who realize we are worthy. We are
Speaker 6: the guardians. We are the gardeners. We are the soil.
Speaker 6: We are the toil. We are the protectors of our
Speaker 6: sieves who need to be protected, who need to see
Speaker 6: true love and black excellence redirected, not through fame and fortune,
Speaker 6: but redirected through character. Indeed, and indeed, it is those
Speaker 6: who stand on the front line fighting for the minds
Speaker 6: of our young, black and gifted. It is you who
Speaker 6: are in inspiration to me, because you are the revolution
Speaker 6: we do not see on TV. A Sante Sana.
Speaker 5: There's the only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is
Speaker 5: studying bribricarbonate and water and heat. Literally that's it.
Speaker 8: And those things are pretty much free. If you go
Speaker 8: to like a science store.
Speaker 5: This is free. You can go to your neighborhood convenience
Speaker 5: store and just get anyway. I don't want to tell
Speaker 5: people how to make how to make crack cocaine, but
Speaker 5: it literally is. And many star cocaine and baking soda.
Speaker 8: How different is the experience.
Speaker 5: It's vastly, vastly different, And like, for real, I feel
Speaker 5: really reluctant to kind of have some EU fork discussion.
Speaker 5: I know you're not asking me to do that, but
Speaker 5: have some U fork discussion about crack cocaine.
Speaker 8: I think this might be kind of the opposite here.
Speaker 5: Okay, no, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 5: want to have the experience of some you for a
Speaker 5: Greek call. That's how powerful crack cocaine is. My point
Speaker 5: about it that your point about it, which I think
Speaker 5: is true, is that there's a thing about crack that
Speaker 5: is really insidious. And what it is is that anytime,
Speaker 5: you know, I think one of the reasons that they
Speaker 5: believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it
Speaker 5: combines three really important things. It's habit for me. There
Speaker 5: is an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined
Speaker 5: with it. You have your cigarette in the morning, you
Speaker 5: have a cigarette when you get out of the car,
Speaker 5: you have your cigarette with your coffee. Crack is that
Speaker 5: on steroids. This is like a PSA if you want
Speaker 5: to completely utterly up your life. You know, I don't
Speaker 5: think that anything is necessarily oh you do it once.
Speaker 8: You addict that.
Speaker 5: But there's about the closest thing that the statement could
Speaker 5: be true would be with crack cocaine.
Speaker 1: In this segment, he's going through this journey. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are like, oh, this is he's trying to
Speaker 1: recruit people in the crack cocaine, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's true at all. What I think is one Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden is so damn brilliant number one. Number two like
Speaker 1: hearing him say like, I'm not trying to have a
Speaker 1: euphoric like conversation about it because of what yeah, where
Speaker 1: it We'll send him? I think is so responsible. And
Speaker 1: then three, I really appreciated what he said at the
Speaker 1: end about it's a PSA and I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: because hopefully we end up cutting it, you know, forty
Speaker 1: five seconds in. I think that it's smart to just say,
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is what it was. This
Speaker 1: is the single difference. And I got to tell y'all
Speaker 1: when I was watching this, my immediate thought was, I
Speaker 1: wonder if he was already experiencing with or having the
Speaker 1: experiences with crack when the Crime Bill came out. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I thought that is because he talks
Speaker 1: to Jamie, which I know we're also going to play
Speaker 1: some podcasts or podcast clip from about his father being
Speaker 1: really really strict, Like people think that his dad was like,
Speaker 1: you know, anything goes because of the trauma they experience,
Speaker 1: but he says, you know, it was quite the opposite.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering if his dad was trying to
Speaker 1: punish the system and punish him through the crime bill
Speaker 1: doesn't justify what after, don't justify what happened. But I
Speaker 1: was fascinated by it because of the very simple a
Speaker 1: distinction that many of us have heard of, studied know
Speaker 1: about between crack and cocaine. But the way he explained it,
Speaker 1: it immediately sent me to I wonder if that's what
Speaker 1: happened with the Crime Bill.
Speaker 3: Interesting, a lot of people had that same I don't
Speaker 3: think it's even exclusive to Joe Biden, who was in
Speaker 3: the Senate at the time. I think a lot of people,
Speaker 3: including people in the black community. To your point, Angela,
Speaker 3: felt enraged at what was happening in our communities, and sadly,
Speaker 3: we looked to the system that was destroying us to
Speaker 3: self correct. When the system was functioning as it was intended,
Speaker 3: the biggest drug dealer in the marketplace was the United
Speaker 3: States government, So just when it it was it was
Speaker 3: intended for us. But then when it got to white kids,
Speaker 3: that's when it was a problem. But I just like
Speaker 3: to remind people because everyone's so mad about the Crime Bill,
Speaker 3: and it's like, listen, those of us who are old enough,
Speaker 3: remember black folks were right out there on that crime bill.
Speaker 3: Black mamas and Grandmama's were right there, so we have
Speaker 3: to you kind of reconcile with that decades later, you know,
Speaker 3: And it was desperation because I feel I genuinely he's
Speaker 3: talking about it. I feel bad for him because when
Speaker 3: you consider how crack cocaine came to be, it's like,
Speaker 3: you're coming out of the seventies and cocaine was like
Speaker 3: this party drug and people were still smoking weed. And
Speaker 3: in the eighties people are like, oh, I got something
Speaker 3: like we like, smoke this and see if you like it.
Speaker 3: So you had regular everyday people smoke something once and
Speaker 3: it hooked them. They got their claws in them and
Speaker 3: they couldn't function without it, and that created a generation
Speaker 3: of loss and killing and robbery. So I have an
Speaker 3: incredible amount of empathy for him, and I wonder how
Speaker 3: it would have been had we met the crack cocaine
Speaker 3: addiction with the same empathy we did the opioid crisis
Speaker 3: with the same targeting of the dealers. You know, the
Speaker 3: Sackware family is persona non grata anywhere, Yet the US
Speaker 3: government continues it's ill practices, the CIA continues to function.
Speaker 3: The CIA never really because they were selling drugs to
Speaker 3: support their political ambitions in Central America. They still do
Speaker 3: the same shit all the time because it disproportionately impacted us.
Speaker 3: So I just I feel bad. I don't want people
Speaker 3: to make fun of Hunter Biden in this interview. You
Speaker 3: know how we did with Whitney and Crack and Whack
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and it's like, man, these people
Speaker 3: really suffer, suffer from this. So I have an incredible
Speaker 3: amount of empathy for him and Joe Biden because I
Speaker 3: even hearing that, I imagine Joe Biden even listening to that.
Speaker 3: It has to hurt him. After losing Bo, after losing
Speaker 3: his wife and sons. He's just seen a lot of
Speaker 3: tragedy and a lot of Black people confronted a lot
Speaker 3: of tragedy because of the drug and also because of
Speaker 3: a crime bill that we are still confronting. We are
Speaker 3: still dealing with the fallout from the crime Bill and
Speaker 3: the remnants of it are resurfacing. So what I actually
Speaker 3: would be okay hearing the clip in its entirety, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well before we do that, I just I wanted
Speaker 1: to flag to Tip's point. Yes, Joe Biden was in
Speaker 1: the Senate when the crime bill was passed. He also
Speaker 1: authored it. So that was my point, and I would
Speaker 1: say this too, that yes, there were a ton of
Speaker 1: black families, but we didn't hear about the white ones.
Speaker 1: We didn't hear. When you look turned on news at
Speaker 1: nighttime during this era, all you saw were black people
Speaker 1: and crackheads. A crackhead image is the image of someone
Speaker 1: black you never saw. And that's why I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: to me, that is the phenomenon here, part.
Speaker 4: Of the government media consperience, exactly. That's exactly as to
Speaker 4: brand it a certain way. And poor people in Appalachia
Speaker 4: and all the states that that that those great mountains
Speaker 4: touch are suffering in the shadows. I mean hunger, pains, addiction, obviously, death, suicide,
Speaker 4: you know, people at a stop light and overdosing. I mean,
Speaker 4: the American carnage on American streets during that period of
Speaker 4: time may have been whitewashed in those moments, but if
Speaker 4: you paid at all any attention to local news at night,
Speaker 4: you saw the sirens, and you saw some of the
Speaker 4: most horrific images that you know, my mind still won't forget,
Speaker 4: where people literally appear comatose and almost under some spell walking,
Speaker 4: you know, out loud, but vacant, you know in their person.
Speaker 4: I mean it was. It was a horrible time in
Speaker 4: this country treated the victims of that addiction crisis horribly.
Speaker 4: And again I think it goes to show and we
Speaker 4: already know this that you know, certain faces and newer
Speaker 4: certain reactions. You know, those poor kids from Somalia that
Speaker 4: were on our television screens as kids, you know, could
Speaker 4: hardly compare to the one orphan white child. You know, uh,
Speaker 4: set set beside them doing the commercial break. We had empathy,
Speaker 4: We had care that that person, that that white baby
Speaker 4: was human. And you know those black babies looking emaciated,
Speaker 4: all they want is some food, rice, right water, and
Speaker 4: you know that's what those people deserve.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we hopped right into the crack cocaine conversation,
Speaker 1: but we didn't get into all things political and the truth,
Speaker 1: the rest of the truth that Hunter Biden has to share.
Speaker 1: We'll do that right after this break. So the other
Speaker 1: thing I want to just get into, So again for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, we jumped right into
Speaker 1: the crack. We didn't say that that was Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1: We did, We really did.
Speaker 3: We jumped right into right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we jumped right into the crack, but we didn't
Speaker 1: say that. That's Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: and he's talking about his experience with crack cocaine. But
Speaker 1: he also talked a lot talk about a lot more
Speaker 1: in this interview. One clip in particular has to do
Speaker 1: with the candidate, the Democratic Party's candidate from this past November,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. I want to roll that clip.
Speaker 5: Only person that he would ever, ever ever endorse off
Speaker 5: out of the gate because he chose her as his
Speaker 5: vice president. There's no choice in that. And by the way,
Speaker 5: I love Kamala Harris. I think that she would have
Speaker 5: made an incredible president. I know that she was an
Speaker 5: incredibly loyal vice president and she did everything that she
Speaker 5: could to support my dad everything and to support me
Speaker 5: and my family personally. I mean, I truly love her
Speaker 5: like family, and I think that she would have made
Speaker 5: an incredible president. And I think she r in an
Speaker 5: incredible campaign. You know who did not want Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: to be president and did not want her to be
Speaker 5: the nominee. Nancy Pelosi didn't want her to be None
Speaker 5: of Nancy Pelosi's people wanted he to. They wanted an
Speaker 5: open convention, they wanted a floor fight, they wanted a
Speaker 5: I don't know what the hell they wanted, but they
Speaker 5: wanted to be the ones to anoint whoever they were
Speaker 5: going to annoint to become the next president of the
Speaker 5: United States.
Speaker 8: Who do you think that would have been.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I really don't know. I don't have any idea. All
Speaker 5: I know is that they definitely did not want Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris and again, which undermined her, which undermined the campaign.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean I look at these people and
Speaker 5: talk about, like, well, where were they? We had one
Speaker 5: hundred days, she got a hundred. She literally was handed
Speaker 5: one hundred million dollar check. She ran her ass off.
Speaker 5: She had an incredible organization, incredible grassroots organization. David Pluff
Speaker 5: took over the campaign.
Speaker 8: You know what did they do?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was in the same clip as
Speaker 1: the Nancy Pelosi clip. But yes, I actually another clip
Speaker 1: back to back so we could just deal with all
Speaker 1: this at once. But let's go ahead and read the
Speaker 1: clip from Jamie Harrison's new show, New Podcast, where he
Speaker 1: also interviews Hunter Biden, and he talks about this nomination process.
Speaker 4: Because there were some people who wanted Joe Biden to
Speaker 4: step down, but they didn't want Kamla Harris either.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know who they are.
Speaker 6: They did not want Kamala Harris as well.
Speaker 5: They were already playing them, I mean.
Speaker 6: At our table.
Speaker 5: But my but you're right, okay, And uh look, Jamie,
Speaker 5: you you you can attest to this. If not anything,
Speaker 5: Joe Biden is.
Speaker 6: Loyal, Yes, is loyal. He's loyal.
Speaker 5: So I don't ever want to say anything on that.
Speaker 5: It's like I'm speaking on his behalf because my dad
Speaker 5: wouldn't say an ill word regardless of how wrong he was.
Speaker 5: And you know it, but it doesn't mean his son
Speaker 5: can't feel it sometimes, And like I said, I'd say
Speaker 5: it over and over. I say it just one more
Speaker 5: time to make certain that clear. I love of President Obama.
Speaker 5: I love what he achieved for this country. I respect
Speaker 5: and honor what the people that worked for him were
Speaker 5: able to achieve in the eight years that he was president.
Speaker 5: And I feel the same about Speaker Pelosi and the
Speaker 5: people that have tirelessly worked on her behalf and her
Speaker 5: staff and her family to allow her to achieve the
Speaker 5: things that she's achieved on behalf of millions and millions
Speaker 5: of Americans. Okay, I would only ask this is that
Speaker 5: they showed the same respect to my dad.
Speaker 1: So I thought we should get into that because one
Speaker 1: you already saw him name names on the other clip,
Speaker 1: and there's something I don't know how y'all feel watching this,
Speaker 1: but for me one again, I want to applaud his intelligence,
Speaker 1: his candor. He's like, I'm gonna try. You can see
Speaker 1: him trying to kind of do right by Jamie at
Speaker 1: interview because he's like, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Know, he was only considerate of Jamie there had he
Speaker 4: been you know, left his own devices. Well, I mean
Speaker 4: I think he said more in that initial interview, which
Speaker 4: is how we could tell his hedging, you know, was
Speaker 4: an effect, you know, probably towards the protection of Jamie
Speaker 4: more than anything, because he seems extremely clear about what
Speaker 4: went down. Yeah, even though he was going through his
Speaker 4: row on his own you know, personal trial, a prosecution
Speaker 4: that should never have been bought, by the way, and
Speaker 4: my humble opinion, never before you statute in the history
Speaker 4: of the statute against Hunter Biden. But anyway, I applaud
Speaker 4: the brother for being so clear headed. I just you know,
Speaker 4: being in recovery facing his demons, you know, head on,
Speaker 4: I kept thinking to myself, what was he thinking with
Speaker 4: that whole drug ran, Why was he telling? Why was
Speaker 4: he giving? And I'm actually really curious because his intention
Speaker 4: certainly was not to recruit more users, but he was
Speaker 4: processing something through his mind that I think is probably
Speaker 4: pretty fascinating if we knew the backstory to it. But
Speaker 4: you know, I wish him well and I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 4: Remember we had some heat for going down this road
Speaker 4: about Obama's tone, and we didn't really dig much into
Speaker 4: to Nancy Pelosi, but I had shared in one of
Speaker 4: our earlier episodes, you know, this really long form piece
Speaker 4: that I saw written that you know, I attributed at
Speaker 4: the time to basically, you know, the Obama folks Obama people,
Speaker 4: which doesn't mean he directed them, but you know, there's
Speaker 4: loyalty there. I think Hunter Biden was dead on, and
Speaker 4: I hope that both the individuals he was speaking to
Speaker 4: heard him and will take note because the disrespect that
Speaker 4: they have shown I think Joe Biden is pretty shameful
Speaker 4: and is a good reason why a lot of Democrats
Speaker 4: don't think other Democrats are loyal last people to have
Speaker 4: our back.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that I would flag for you,
Speaker 1: is he named Barack Obama, he named Nancy Pelosi, he
Speaker 1: named Nancy Pelosi. And the other piece, the other thing
Speaker 1: that you'll see if you guys go back and watch
Speaker 1: the interview with Jamie, he blasts pod Save America at
Speaker 1: least three times. And I think what's fascinating about that
Speaker 1: to me is he really saw that as people who
Speaker 1: he talks about where they live and how out of
Speaker 1: touch they are, and Beverly Hills or Bellair Holmes and
Speaker 1: how that same like the donor class basically decided the election,
Speaker 1: and he feels like his dad was trying to save
Speaker 1: the party over himself. That's his perception. But I think
Speaker 1: what is again contrashing to me right now is nobody
Speaker 1: is willing to call a thing a thing like even
Speaker 1: in this upcoming autopsy for the Democratic Party, put Hedge
Speaker 1: Biden's dance on air, you know, so that there can
Speaker 1: be an honest assessment about what is now. Whether or
Speaker 1: not I agree with him about his dad's the state
Speaker 1: in the election, I don't, right, But I think that
Speaker 1: the point is you can have a debate in earnest
Speaker 1: and a discussion in earnest with someone who's willing to
Speaker 1: be intellectually honest about what is. So I just wanted
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to bring forth to y'all. Is
Speaker 1: that the energy that the Democratic Party needs to lean
Speaker 1: into right now because he is irreverent and he is clear,
Speaker 1: and he is telling the truth about what is. At
Speaker 1: this point, he's like, what in the hell do I
Speaker 1: have to lose?
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: I mean I have to say I just have lost
Speaker 3: the ability to give a shit about the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: And that's not to say because I think people misunderstand
Speaker 3: that when we talk have the's discussions, and they think
Speaker 3: that me and Angela catches straights for this, even though
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm the person who said it, and people just
Speaker 3: you know, I can't believe Angela said that, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: that was me. But I'm not saying this means we
Speaker 3: lay down and die. I'm not saying we won't do
Speaker 3: everything we can and to show up and vote during
Speaker 3: the terms. I'm not saying that we will not be
Speaker 3: part of their resistance. I'm saying the party as a structure,
Speaker 3: like I think what we're talking about is such minutia,
Speaker 3: Like most people don't even know about the Hunter Biden interview.
Speaker 3: You know, that's such a Beltway conversation. But people are
Speaker 3: not in every group chat I'm in. People aren't like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, let's talk about Hunter Biden. I think
Speaker 3: people are just looking for relief and so the whole.
Speaker 3: But the I don't think everyone always understands the power
Speaker 3: that the structure created, the power that the Democratic Party
Speaker 3: itself has. So my thought is like, disrupt the infrastructure
Speaker 3: of the political system. And I was warned that I
Speaker 3: would feel this way, because I will tell you I
Speaker 3: am deep into Asada right now, a recommendation that Angela
Speaker 3: made and I'm deep into it, and I am it's
Speaker 3: just making me more enraged. So I don't look at
Speaker 3: this like, yeah, this autopsy the Democratic Party. I gotta
Speaker 3: tell you, I feel like it's as many white supremacists
Speaker 3: as we all know in the Democratic Party. I get
Speaker 3: so grossly offended every time I hear one of them
Speaker 3: come out who's supposed to be an ally and say
Speaker 3: something completely tone deaf, like you look at Target, for example,
Speaker 3: like all the black people were protesting Target, how many
Speaker 3: white women did y'all see protesting tart and posting about it?
Speaker 1: I saw them with a target bag and I was
Speaker 1: ready to fight her. I feel ashamed to say it,
Speaker 1: but I was like, what's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying?
Speaker 1: What you wait?
Speaker 3: We stand alone? We stand alone. And so when you
Speaker 3: look at like a majority of elected members in Congress
Speaker 3: are white people and they are still This is why
Speaker 3: the Epstein thing gets on my nerves because it's like
Speaker 3: you all keep thinking that, oh, this is our opportunity
Speaker 3: to get them back, and it's so offensive because I'm like,
Speaker 3: why the fuck are y'all always running after maga voters, Like,
Speaker 3: tell me how you're gonna appeal to me, tell me
Speaker 3: how you're addressing my problem. But you're so excited that
Speaker 3: you'll get to break up the mega colts and you
Speaker 3: spending your energy playing the guitar running around on every
Speaker 3: TV show. But the shit that's impacting us the hardest.
Speaker 3: I don't where are the social media stunts for that? Like,
Speaker 3: and not that I want to see that either, but like,
Speaker 3: where is the plan of action for that? So I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm happy to hear from hunter Byden just
Speaker 3: because he's a personality, you know, and I think that
Speaker 3: he has insight that a lot of people don't have.
Speaker 3: I just don't know. Okay, so we know that they
Speaker 3: didn't want Kamala Harris as the nominee. I just don't
Speaker 3: want to get to us like what it serves us.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm on something. I probably should have
Speaker 3: waited to read this book, but I'm on something altogether.
Speaker 3: When you start hearing about like the details of what
Speaker 3: this government does to us. And I know we're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about Breonna Taylor. I was gonna wait to even
Speaker 3: mention is out of until we got to Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 3: But I just I don't know, y'all. I don't know
Speaker 3: how y'all like you all are talking about the politics
Speaker 3: of it, I'm curious how do you feel hearing that?
Speaker 3: Like how do you feel in this moment of knowing
Speaker 3: that this autopsy's even taken place? Like does it move
Speaker 3: you anyway?
Speaker 1: No? But but I do think it's important for us
Speaker 1: to understand, like I'm not talking about this like, oh,
Speaker 1: this could be good for the party.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for the party it like there has
Speaker 1: to be something that they do that is markedly different
Speaker 1: than what they're doing right now.
Speaker 4: And I do think copycat h they're basically paying copycat.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, where did the Trump people scattered to?
Speaker 4: Let's go to that corner.
Speaker 3: That's what I want to say. You're a fan, but
Speaker 3: you're saying they have to do you think they're going
Speaker 3: to No, I don't know, but all.
Speaker 1: I can say is in where I like, I grew
Speaker 1: up in politics professionally, so what I know is to
Speaker 1: tell you, like, oh, this will work or this won't work.
Speaker 1: And what I also know right now is everything that
Speaker 1: I would have typically guided people to do won't work
Speaker 1: in this moment because politics as usual is gone. It
Speaker 1: is politics is as unusual af right. So to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, well if we and by this
Speaker 1: we meet now, I mean, like as Vince would say,
Speaker 1: those who are who would represent the politics of goodwill
Speaker 1: are to say and do anything right now, It means
Speaker 1: there's a broad coalition of people that have to get
Speaker 1: to get together to fight against evil if we can
Speaker 1: even agree on what evil is. There are reformers. There
Speaker 1: are people who are you know, institutionalists I would put
Speaker 1: Andrew there, you know, who believe in the institution and
Speaker 1: want to uphold it and fix it. The reformers who
Speaker 1: are somewhere a little bit to the left of that
Speaker 1: socialists and then the anti Trumpers. All of those folks
Speaker 1: have to come together to preserve or to rebuild whatever
Speaker 1: is going to be that whatever happens next. Now, nobody
Speaker 1: could do anything. We could just sit here and watch
Speaker 1: it all burn, But we are going to be on
Speaker 1: fire first. We're already on fe So I don't feel.
Speaker 4: So no, no, no, please finish your point. You don't feel
Speaker 4: I don't feel.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I want to watch it burn.
Speaker 1: I feel like I got this Harriet Tubman chain on
Speaker 1: my neck for a reason, like I'll set it on fire,
Speaker 1: but I'm not about to watch it burning and catch
Speaker 1: my people on fire. So I am other school that thought.
Speaker 1: If there are some people who are willing among us
Speaker 1: to tell the truth, to say that they want to
Speaker 1: see something happen differently, I'm with them. I'm with them
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. If they're not there, I'm not just like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. I don't believe that. I
Speaker 1: believe there's a lot we can do, and I believe
Speaker 1: I'm going to set it on fire, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what we can do that can stop. Like I
Speaker 1: keep going back to this, like all these things that
Speaker 1: are happening. It feels like it's a lot of shuffling
Speaker 1: papers and energy. But I'm like, what has happened that
Speaker 1: we're stopping something that this because of this thing?
Speaker 3: This stopped it could and andrew The last time I
Speaker 3: said this, you gave a few examples, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, that's true. That's a really good point, because
Speaker 3: I also don't want to discourage people from doing what
Speaker 3: they you know, what they feel like they should be doing.
Speaker 3: But I am looking like, damn, y'all, I think we're
Speaker 3: in for a long night. I think like I see
Speaker 3: what's coming, and I think we are in for.
Speaker 1: A maybe pre or.
Speaker 3: Post reconstruction existence in this country. And even just I'm
Speaker 3: not going to talk about this every week, I swear
Speaker 3: I won't, But even reading Asada, when you hear about
Speaker 3: what this woman went through, I'm in shame on me
Speaker 3: for just now reading it all these decades later. But
Speaker 3: when you read about what this woman went through, it
Speaker 3: wasn't that long ago. You know, Like how the government
Speaker 3: works against us when you look at how the government
Speaker 3: is literally targeting black women right now, targeting our livelihood,
Speaker 3: target our income, and that's not to leave out black men,
Speaker 3: black men. I love y'all. People always telling me why
Speaker 3: you're so hard on black men. I'm not hard on
Speaker 3: black men. I love y'all too. I'm just looking at
Speaker 3: who is getting hammered the worst right now, and it's
Speaker 3: black women, And I just feel like, how can we
Speaker 3: stop this? Three hundred thousand black women out of work?
Speaker 3: What was the policy that we could have done to
Speaker 3: stop that? Five hundred women haven't returned to the workforce
Speaker 3: since uh COVID the end of Trump's first administration. What
Speaker 3: could we have done? What might we have done to
Speaker 3: stop that? The best thing you said to me is,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch it burn. I'll set it
Speaker 3: on fire, but I'm not gonna watch it burn. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of right there, like I'm like, yeah, we gotta
Speaker 3: might set some things on fire. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: still working it out in real time.
Speaker 1: So that's why we're just so we're clear. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about the violent destruction in a riot, like we
Speaker 1: have to be clear about that. We're just talking about
Speaker 1: the things that have caused us harm, that has have
Speaker 1: done you know, done us poorly. We're going to get
Speaker 1: rid of those things we're going to shine a light
Speaker 1: on being an allegory. Yes, we have to say that
Speaker 1: because we apparently it's some slow people among us.
Speaker 3: Andrew, Yeah, and the stupid the f A. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to be smart, King Spell at the f AE. U
Speaker 3: X knew the station loves the clip things.
Speaker 1: Not the fakes, but the fakes work too.
Speaker 3: It can X news station.
Speaker 1: They love to clip our thank you, thank you, y'all.
Speaker 1: Next time, just make sure you say following them at
Speaker 1: Native Lampid. Maybe we'll convert some of your viewers. Andrew,
Speaker 1: you are gonna say some fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 4: I you know, so, I just had a lot of
Speaker 4: thoughts running through my mind. But I will say when
Speaker 4: we began talking about hunter By, I wasn't actually viewing
Speaker 4: him through the political lens, but I do see the
Speaker 4: opportunity moment for him to be able to have some
Speaker 4: impact on I think a party that whose members by
Speaker 4: and large have good intention. However, big picture are completely
Speaker 4: void of a plan, and the plan worries me less
Speaker 4: than where the passion is. And I just feel like
Speaker 4: as institutional list and as protectors of the regime as
Speaker 4: it exists today, Democrats have become quite uninspiring and frankly boring,
Speaker 4: very very default. You know, it's like, if you don't
Speaker 4: do anything, these things are going to keep happy. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like tomorrow will come and you do nothing in
Speaker 4: the day after that, there will be the day after tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Nobody's inspired by that assembly line. Nobody is inspired by
Speaker 4: the mathematics that is, basically, become black people. You're transaction
Speaker 4: because you can rely on a group of black folks
Speaker 4: and black women and black men, but black people for
Speaker 4: a certain turnout by percent in the polls. But you
Speaker 4: get frustrated when their voices, voices begin to be heard,
Speaker 4: when we start to raise our voice, when we start
Speaker 4: to protest against a party agenda, a platform that doesn't
Speaker 4: reflect our values where we stand now. When that happens,
Speaker 4: you're a dit action. You're taking from the opportunity moment here.
Speaker 4: Why don't you just go somewhere. We'll deal with that
Speaker 4: another day. We'll have our chance to sit around and
Speaker 4: pow wow about that. And that day never comes in.
Speaker 4: It never ever becomes a part of the bloodstream of
Speaker 4: the organization, the Democratic Party. It is always an appendage.
Speaker 4: Black people are always just outside the body women are
Speaker 4: treated just outside the body until you want a debate
Speaker 4: about their bodies and then their central focus. But do
Speaker 4: we really mean it so worse than not having a plan,
Speaker 4: And maybe don't start sending no emails or another Excel
Speaker 4: spreadsheets because that's the problem. Y'all are addicted to that stuff,
Speaker 4: and what is absent from me is where's the heart,
Speaker 4: where's the nerve? Where is the stuff that's keeping you
Speaker 4: up at night? Because if it truly is keeping you
Speaker 4: up at night, your comportment could not be contained in
Speaker 4: this moment, right, So their rhetoric doesn't match their behavior,
Speaker 4: and it makes it impossible to believe in them because
Speaker 4: you doubt whether they believe in themselves. Nobody wants to
Speaker 4: follow that, So I you know, I share your frustration, Tiff.
Speaker 4: I'm at the end of the day going to be
Speaker 4: the pragmatisms basically say, so long as these are the
Speaker 4: people who are negotiating how we exist in this space,
Speaker 4: we need to have a weight on that thing. And
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean we don't start filling some other buckets too,
Speaker 4: but it absolutely means we do not unilaterally disarmed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, can I say something I thought was really
Speaker 3: interesting last week, you and Angela disagreed about a path forward,
Speaker 3: and I found myself conflicted because I'm like, I actually think, Andrew,
Speaker 3: you have a point, But damn, Angela, I actually see
Speaker 3: what you're saying. And I you know, I read the
Speaker 3: comments and I thought the comments would be all one
Speaker 3: way or another. I didn't know which way, but I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think generally on this one, and I was I'll
Speaker 3: take that back. I thought more people were going to
Speaker 3: agree with Angela. I thought people like overwhelming were going
Speaker 3: to agree with Angela. And what I saw was it
Speaker 3: was really like people were really like, no, Andrew has
Speaker 3: a point, like you make them do every possible thing,
Speaker 3: and then other people were like, yes, Andrew is an
Speaker 3: institutional we need to like fight, fight, fight, and fire.
Speaker 3: And it was really interesting to me to see because
Speaker 3: really I was just looking for my name and it
Speaker 3: wasn't even there.
Speaker 4: It was all.
Speaker 3: But people had a lot of thoughts and feelings about it,
Speaker 3: and I just thought, Wow, what an interesting snapshot. Obviously
Speaker 3: it's not an official poll, it's not a scientific pole,
Speaker 3: but what an interesting snapshot of where we are in
Speaker 3: this moment, that this nuanced argument that you guys were
Speaker 3: having these nuanced points that you were making. People felt
Speaker 3: so strongly.
Speaker 4: You feel like when we were in it.
Speaker 1: But well, you know, but you know what though, it's
Speaker 1: it is the argument and the discussion that people are
Speaker 1: having everywhere. They're having it in party out, a party
Speaker 1: on the heel, in the Congression offices, and caucus meetings
Speaker 1: on their TV. Why arguing with the TV? It is?
Speaker 1: It is where we are because people don't know what
Speaker 1: to do because again, every formula that you would typically
Speaker 1: go to is not working in this moment. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you another thing that happened last week we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about because it was the same day of our show.
Speaker 1: I was in New York. I did breakfast club and
Speaker 1: Lenard asked me about Barack Obama and his comments at
Speaker 1: this closed door fundraiser. I'm bringing up a point you're
Speaker 1: gonna tie right back to Hunter. In this closed door meeting,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama said that the Democrats are behaving like cowards, right,
Speaker 1: and then the question was what do I think about
Speaker 1: what he's saying for me? And I still feel this way.
Speaker 1: People dragged me for filth. People who are my friends
Speaker 1: went into the comments because they saw the breakfast club
Speaker 1: header didn't hear what I said. Just heard that I
Speaker 1: said Barack Obama needs to do more or something, which
Speaker 1: is not what I said. I made them take that
Speaker 1: down and like correct it because I was like this,
Speaker 1: this isn't accurate and it's causing more reaping more have it.
Speaker 1: It didn't even matter because people were still mad that
Speaker 1: you could say, don't you I would say nothing bad
Speaker 1: about Barack Obama. Doesn't even have to be bad. It's
Speaker 1: just a criticism to me of what is so for
Speaker 1: my purview, I'm going somewhere for my purview, I promise
Speaker 1: you when you when we go to the Hunter Biden piece.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Barack Obama was in the room
Speaker 1: having conversations about who should be the nominee and Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris was not on his list, I'm aware of that.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that Barack Obama does have these meetings
Speaker 1: with Washington based journalists ensuring that people are speaking a
Speaker 1: certain language and about policy in a certain way. It
Speaker 1: is the fact that Donald Trump just this week posts
Speaker 1: a video of an AI video of Barack Obama being
Speaker 1: arrested in the Oval.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: So when I say that I expect more of them
Speaker 1: in this moment that this Nobel Peace Prize winner, where
Speaker 1: we would have had the same type of expectations of
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela in South Africa, I should not be dragged
Speaker 1: for saying that I expect for you to call fascism fascism, right.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's just interesting that in this moment
Speaker 1: where we know the again, we know of things that
Speaker 1: people don't know. But it's like if you talk about
Speaker 1: the man who's on my church fan, if you talk
Speaker 1: about the man sleeves up and goes to the rally
Speaker 1: smooth saying amazing grace at you know, at at Mother
Speaker 1: Emmanuel after this horrible massacre, I can't hold space for
Speaker 1: the fact that he does some things well and something's
Speaker 1: need correction. And that's frustrating to me.
Speaker 3: You can't say I'm going somewhere. We're like, no, we wherever?
Speaker 3: You going on the train with im?
Speaker 1: Just like I'll take a minute to get there. That's all.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't see the clip and so I didn't
Speaker 3: see the comments. But I think there is some protection
Speaker 3: of Obama, you know, And I think people look for
Speaker 3: clickbaits and they enjoy the anonymity of social media to
Speaker 3: make these comments.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, And I think because I get that on this show,
Speaker 3: all of us probably get that on this show, where
Speaker 3: it's like, why are you criticizing democrats like MAGA is
Speaker 3: the only space that we should be criticizing right now.
Speaker 3: And I understand that perspective too. So I'm not faulting
Speaker 3: anybody for any of these.
Speaker 4: If we don't do it right now, Lloyd Jesus, another
Speaker 4: election is gonna come around and we're still gonna be
Speaker 4: in La la land.
Speaker 3: This is, this is my point.
Speaker 4: In the honest conversations. Now, it's too late in an
Speaker 4: election cycle.
Speaker 3: Precisely Andrew precisely like now, and it is not only
Speaker 3: our right but responsibility to critique our leaders.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: And you know Obama Black folks overwhelmingly showed up for Obama.
Speaker 3: Black people put this man in office. And I understand
Speaker 3: the feeling that there is a debt ode and I
Speaker 3: think your frustration with Obama, Angela is the frustration that
Speaker 3: many of us have with just us institutions across the board.
Speaker 3: It's not just Obama. I mean, you could take that
Speaker 3: and go across democratic leadership from our friends and otherwise.
Speaker 3: So I my only thing is let's have that heat
Speaker 3: for everybody, you know, I mean they were asking you
Speaker 3: a specific question, but no, we ought to have that
Speaker 3: heat for everybody if you can't stand up. First of all,
Speaker 3: anytime we talk about in the news media, on Capitol
Speaker 3: Hill wherever, anytime we talk about Steven Miller, who designed
Speaker 3: this whole ice plan, it should be introduced that Steven Miller,
Speaker 3: the white nationalist who was behind and then go wherever
Speaker 3: you want to go. But we should not be talking
Speaker 3: about him as though he's not a white nationalist like
Speaker 3: because it makes people uncomfortable because it's not the white language.
Speaker 3: We should not be talking about Milania Trump ever, and
Speaker 3: not talk about the fact that she was a nude
Speaker 3: model in a birther y. We it's like it's factually
Speaker 3: accurate to say these things. And everyone has capitulated to
Speaker 3: a system of whiteness, a system that prioritizes white comfort,
Speaker 3: white language, everything. And respectfully to President Obama, who I
Speaker 3: think we all love, you know, love and a door,
Speaker 3: both he and Michelle Obama. But I think respectfully to them,
Speaker 3: there are a significant amount of people who are looking saying, help,
Speaker 3: you know, say something. We love your podcast, but we
Speaker 3: don't want to hear about you know, some nebulous thing,
Speaker 3: when people are dying, when people are being disappeared by
Speaker 3: their government, when black women are joining the bread lines.
Speaker 3: So it's not it's not so much like we're shitting
Speaker 3: on them. We're saying, like, hey, we still need you.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys remember that clip
Speaker 3: from Michelle Obama when she said that she's done with like,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna endoors another candidate. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get out there on the campaign trail. I don't begrudge
Speaker 3: that in her because what I hear is hurt. But
Speaker 3: I hear pain and disgust in her, and that is
Speaker 3: the feeling I have. So it's hard for me to
Speaker 3: hear that. It's because I'm like, girl, I get it,
Speaker 3: like I get what I want to, but isn't there.
Speaker 4: I want to separate the two of them, by the way, Okay, fair, fair,
Speaker 4: I think they are not in the same bucket.
Speaker 3: I agree at all, agree.
Speaker 4: And part because one of them signed up for a thing,
Speaker 4: and the others signed up to be a support and
Speaker 4: a helpmate and a rib to that thing, to the
Speaker 4: man pursuing that thing. And I think she is well,
Speaker 4: Lord knows if she don't live now, when will she live? Right?
Speaker 4: They are no longer sitting in that oval. She doesn't
Speaker 4: have to put up with nonsense twenty four to seven
Speaker 4: if she don't want to, and so live your best, better,
Speaker 4: bestest life as far as I'm concerned, forever. First, lady,
Speaker 4: she did Obama have a different set of expectations for
Speaker 4: the man who got in the arena?
Speaker 3: Well, what are your thoughts? And I want to put
Speaker 3: this in here real quick.
Speaker 1: She does have an organization though, also called when we
Speaker 1: all vote? So is she got us for the right?
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to care.
Speaker 4: About But if she decided do none of it, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying you volunteer problems. And I'm not saying you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta endorse candidates, but I beg you to not
Speaker 1: just drop a Tiger Woods documentary when this man is
Speaker 1: dating a Trump spouse or a former Trump spouse and
Speaker 1: like this, and Tiger was just at the White House
Speaker 1: for the Black History Month thing.
Speaker 4: For okay, at one time, at once.
Speaker 3: She said, but that's a whole other story. But I
Speaker 3: just feel like sometimes when you get into those spaces,
Speaker 3: you become so disconnected from community that you missed the
Speaker 3: moment did you get to power?
Speaker 1: Okay, what did girl do with Trump?
Speaker 3: I talked about this.
Speaker 4: Well, she was talking about Bezos. I as soon, yes
Speaker 4: they are. No, she was basically given the examples of
Speaker 4: these folks in their.
Speaker 1: Proximity proximity there.
Speaker 4: Are, well they are is.
Speaker 3: Like funding a lot of these Uh the this Trump
Speaker 3: is like he is a supporter he anyway, that's.
Speaker 4: And if nothing else, he's absolutely complicit in the whitewashing
Speaker 4: of the story Washington Post.
Speaker 3: And when Gail got in the camera was like, have
Speaker 3: you ever been in space? If you ain't start, we're
Speaker 3: going backwards. Fine. I want to hear from Andrew your
Speaker 3: thoughts on Obama because I would keep trying. And I
Speaker 3: went off, are mad, Andrew?
Speaker 1: They're doing the documentary, but.
Speaker 3: Why does she bring on Tiger? And I can't bring
Speaker 3: up they're buying the documentary.
Speaker 1: Their message to the world right now is y'all better
Speaker 1: check out this bio pic.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair, I'll get off.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of moments Obama's production company Higher
Speaker 1: found Okay, I'm done, what I'm mute?
Speaker 3: And what are your thoughts on?
Speaker 4: But they could do that, they could do that all
Speaker 4: day long. I don't have no beef with it because
Speaker 4: they were precluded from doing it before, and they're not
Speaker 4: the grifters in chief like the Trumps who are sitting
Speaker 4: at office uh stilling out loud. You know, Barack and
Speaker 4: Michelle the Obama's respectively, are working for that. You know,
Speaker 4: they work for the stuff. They earned their stuff. But
Speaker 4: should the president again continue to be involved in the
Speaker 4: mechanations of what ultimately we're all gonna have to confront,
Speaker 4: whether that is who ought to be running in the primary,
Speaker 4: who they plan to support, who are they giving legs
Speaker 4: to behind the scenes, and then who are they trying
Speaker 4: to kneecap behind the scene. If you're going to be
Speaker 4: in that level of conversation and maneuvering of our politics,
Speaker 4: then my request, you know, would simply be one. I
Speaker 4: want you to have as much heat for other communities
Speaker 4: as you have for our own when you are when
Speaker 4: you do a takedown my brother, and you want to
Speaker 4: make a message point clear to us, you know, you
Speaker 4: have a way of delivering it and we have a
Speaker 4: way of receiving it and then reacting to it. But
Speaker 4: I never seem to since that same heat when it
Speaker 4: comes to the white liberal elite. When it comes to
Speaker 4: the liberal white donors, what they give money to and
Speaker 4: how their qualifications are only in the field of having
Speaker 4: given to these areas and never in the experience of
Speaker 4: having been a practitioner. You think, because you give money
Speaker 4: to a politician does not make you an analyst, It
Speaker 4: doesn't make you a strategist, it doesn't make you a
Speaker 4: campaign manager. It makes you probably a good campaign contributor
Speaker 4: and loyal supporter if you can manage that much. And
Speaker 4: if you're organizing knocking on doors outside of that, that's great.
Speaker 4: But we have given way too much power to this
Speaker 4: very liberal elite on the Democratic side, and nobody calls
Speaker 4: them to the carpet. I want Hunter Biden from here too,
Speaker 4: fourth in those rooms again thinking about ways in which
Speaker 4: he can help impact tell the goddamn truth. So yes,
Speaker 4: if you're going to be in those rooms, then carry
Speaker 4: it with the full weight and responsibility that you have
Speaker 4: as a former president and a leader and a visionary
Speaker 4: for our party. Two, don't throw no, don't throw no
Speaker 4: damn grenades and had your hand. Three Police, please be
Speaker 4: honest with the people. Tell them that a thing is
Speaker 4: a thing, and that we should not pretend not to
Speaker 4: know what we all know. Just call it four.
Speaker 3: Andrew Gilliams should be in those rooms every tag. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think, yes, I'm really unfortunate, and this could be
Speaker 3: Andrew's choice. I don't know, uh if I'm not volunteering you,
Speaker 3: but I do feel like the insight that you have
Speaker 3: a ground game, a field game, communication, an understanding of policy.
Speaker 4: If they don't want to hear from me, and let
Speaker 4: me tell you why they still are treating my race
Speaker 4: like an anomaly. Anytime one of us do something that
Speaker 4: is extra than the ordinary, it's treated as culture personality,
Speaker 4: very singular and its impact. And we almost always never
Speaker 4: ever learn the lessons, the right lessons from a race
Speaker 4: like the one that we had, because what did they
Speaker 4: do right after is they went right back to the
Speaker 4: former Republican dressed them up, you know, as best they
Speaker 4: can again as a Democrat, through all the money that
Speaker 4: they could at least harness at that time, trying to
Speaker 4: out conservative or conservative. And when Republicans have a choice
Speaker 4: between the real thing and the fake one, they go
Speaker 4: with the real one every time. And I'm also willing
Speaker 4: to bet when Democrats who are voters are out there,
Speaker 4: when we have a choice between the real thing and
Speaker 4: the fake one. We go with the real one all
Speaker 4: the time. And so if you're still treating twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: in Florida like it was an anomaly, the closest race
Speaker 4: we've gotten short of winning, and that they're not important
Speaker 4: lessons to take from it, that you're going to revert
Speaker 4: every cycle afterwards back to the conservative Democrat, usually white,
Speaker 4: usually male model, who is gonna get you thet's say.
Speaker 1: You see, I just want to point out that Tiff
Speaker 1: the people where Tiff is agree with what Andrew's saying
Speaker 1: so bad they can't hear him in they are amen corner.
Speaker 3: So we just want to shout there, can you hear
Speaker 3: the people I'm about to go? Can we take a
Speaker 3: quick prou No, I'm getting annoyed, don't do it. I'm
Speaker 3: so it's okay, it's gonna be. I couldn't even hear it,
Speaker 3: like of all the places you could be like, I'm here,
Speaker 3: don't snap it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm good. It's good.
Speaker 4: I think they can hear you.
Speaker 1: Don't snap. You ain't got a five percent left your computer.
Speaker 3: Listen. I got Bonnie, and I got Clyde and neither
Speaker 3: one of them holes seconds. How dare you give me what.
Speaker 1: They work for? You better use your kids.
Speaker 3: Watch me, watch I'll be right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look here she goes.
Speaker 3: All right, we can get back to business.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Let me see if you got still recording.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're recording, and went out and.
Speaker 3: Went like that.
Speaker 4: He round, don't, don't don't friends on this damn TV station?
Speaker 3: Can I we can. We can cut this if we want.
Speaker 3: I would like to know there's something else. We can
Speaker 3: cut this if we want. But I would like to
Speaker 3: talk briefly about an email that I just saw.
Speaker 1: No, hold on a minute, let's do that in the
Speaker 1: mini pod. Let's finish this because one thing, one thing
Speaker 1: we want that we want to do. Andrew, I love
Speaker 1: what you were saying. I want to go quickly to
Speaker 1: the points that I believe Tip was also making about courage.
Speaker 3: You've always don't be sending me these emails if you
Speaker 3: don't want to focus. I want to just say that, Andrew,
Speaker 3: you've always deepened into courage, and your courage isn't always
Speaker 3: loud and screaming on a bullhorn or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Not that you're afraid of a bullhorn either. Our brother
Speaker 1: is as a politician, a public servant, and a protester
Speaker 1: when he needs to be well.
Speaker 4: Continue with our theme of the American justice system, we
Speaker 4: turned to the unfortunate scenario unfolding and the death of
Speaker 4: Breonna Taylor. Stay tuned for more on that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the protest and deepening into courage, we had
Speaker 1: an administration that was willing at least somewhat to challenge
Speaker 1: law enforcement, especially when they were wrong. Breonna Taylor's killer,
Speaker 1: Brett Hankerson, was just Hankinson. Sorry, I said Hankerson. Hankerson
Speaker 1: was sentenced despite the Trump's Department of Justice seeking just
Speaker 1: one day, was sentenced to thirty three months in prison
Speaker 1: for killing a black woman. And while thirty three months
Speaker 1: is not sufficient, what we know is this is the
Speaker 1: first time in the federal government's history that it has
Speaker 1: ever brought a civil rights violation, a federal civil rights
Speaker 1: violation case to a police officer who's killed a black
Speaker 1: woman get a significant The sentence sucks, y'all. It is
Speaker 1: not sufficient. We should if you take a black woman's life,
Speaker 1: you should have to do more than less than three
Speaker 1: years in jail, right, But the fact that they were
Speaker 1: able to do that and this damn Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: Trump's DOJ takes the case over and wants to essentially
Speaker 1: get rid of the sentence. What I'm deeping in into
Speaker 1: right now is my frustration that it is more than
Speaker 1: likely that Donald Trump will pardon this officer. Right, so,
Speaker 1: even when you see that we've justice is finally served,
Speaker 1: kind of right, because we're still only talking about less
Speaker 1: than three years. This is where we are right now.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the need for courage
Speaker 1: and a time like this too, and what kind of
Speaker 1: hope can.
Speaker 4: We offer files I just want to my sincere prayer
Speaker 4: is that there is not a single person, and certainly
Speaker 4: not a single black woman, who decides to make any
Speaker 4: meaning of any meaningful nature to the statement that the
Speaker 4: Trump administration is clearly sending this racist overture, which is
Speaker 4: not even a it's no longer a dog whistle, it's
Speaker 4: a bullhorn. They're straight up yelling it from the mountaintop.
Speaker 4: This is who we are. Get used to it. The
Speaker 4: thing they, of course don't fathom is that we've always
Speaker 4: known that was who they were. We were playing along.
Speaker 4: But it's exceedingly clear right now that there ain't nothing
Speaker 4: about this administration that is intended to protect our human
Speaker 4: lives or to in any way value us as living, breathing, human,
Speaker 4: contributing members to this society. In the most suspicious and
Speaker 4: significant way. They don't care for us. They do not
Speaker 4: value our lives. This is not news. I hope for
Speaker 4: anybody on the listening side of this, and I hope
Speaker 4: that not one of us internalizes what they are attempting
Speaker 4: to communicate to us as anything meaning more than what
Speaker 4: we've always known it to be. They're diabolical, and so
Speaker 4: this is the kind of thing you would expect from
Speaker 4: a diabolical people. Is the recommendation that Breonna Taylor's life,
Speaker 4: regardless of the fact that this officer fired indiscriminately with
Speaker 4: no view into the home through the windows, through the doors,
Speaker 4: through the walls, and could have killed anybody, could have
Speaker 4: killed anybody, a child in that room, her partner. They
Speaker 4: don't value us, but I don't have the expectation that
Speaker 4: they ever will. What we have to do is continue
Speaker 4: to position ourselves so that we can continue to bend
Speaker 4: this moral arc right and hopefully, y'all, we'll be able
Speaker 4: to be on the receiving end of our body's work
Speaker 4: but like so much as true about our ancestors, most
Speaker 4: didn't become beneficiaries of what they labored.
Speaker 1: We've been saying say her name in response to making
Speaker 1: sure they don't forget the name of the person whom
Speaker 1: they killed. And all we're seeking is for people to
Speaker 1: be able to say our name, so we can turn
Speaker 1: the corner and enter the room, right to be seen alive.
Speaker 1: So I would love to hear your thoughts about you know,
Speaker 1: where the judge ended with this sentence and what the
Speaker 1: Trump administration was actually seeking with for that one day.
Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting Hopefully we'll have a guest on soon
Speaker 3: in the coming weeks from the DJ from Biden's d OJ.
Speaker 3: But what's interesting about this is the way the DJ
Speaker 3: has been reconfigured, particularly when you look at the Office
Speaker 3: of Civil Rights, but also just through and through even
Speaker 3: as you look at how they're eroding the US government.
Speaker 3: All agencies where there was an overwhelming amount of black
Speaker 3: women represented were disproportionately defunded. The DJ where the staff
Speaker 3: of people of color I think is like less than
Speaker 3: one percent or not less than one percent. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: it's mostly white men. They cut funding by less than
Speaker 3: one percent at the DJ and they have reconfigured it
Speaker 3: to classify white people as the precisely, they have reconfigured
Speaker 3: it to classify white people as the aggrieved class. And
Speaker 3: so when the sentencing when when initially when they were
Speaker 3: asking for a one day sentence, I've lost my ability
Speaker 3: to be shocked, you know, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I we talk often on this show that the courts
Speaker 3: will not hold Donald Trump appointed over two hundred, mostly
Speaker 3: white men, mostly legally inept people to lifetime appointments. Now
Speaker 3: Joe Biden surpassed that, so there's some hope. I just
Speaker 3: don't know that that is going to save us, and
Speaker 3: so I'm not sup any of this. Angela. I've been hearing.
Speaker 3: I haven't followed closely, but I have been hearing the
Speaker 3: chatter that he will likely pardon this officer. We've also
Speaker 3: talked about this with Derek Chauvin, which I know there
Speaker 3: are state charges there. So I just I can't stomach
Speaker 3: all of it. I can't take the incoming all the time.
Speaker 3: But the constant message that we're getting in this country
Speaker 3: or black women don't matter, our bodies don't matter, and
Speaker 3: it's not I'm saying black women in particularly and not
Speaker 3: including black men, because we sit at the intersection of
Speaker 3: the sexism that we see and the racism that we see.
Speaker 3: Our bodies do not matter when it comes to health
Speaker 3: issues that disproportionately impact black women. Who gives a shit.
Speaker 3: There are no funding for that, no pink ribbons for
Speaker 3: things that disproportionately impact us when it comes to our income,
Speaker 3: our finance level, and for this particular woman, I would
Speaker 3: encourage anybody if you haven't so, please read what happened
Speaker 3: to night Brehanna Taylor was killed murdered. Ton of Haseea
Speaker 3: Coats did a great artic. I think it was her
Speaker 3: vanity fair. But if you google tan of Hoseea Coats
Speaker 3: and Breonna Taylor, he talks to her mom and her
Speaker 3: mom walks through what happened that night. Her mom for hours,
Speaker 3: did not know that her daughter was dead. For hours,
Speaker 3: nobody talked to her. She was going from one location
Speaker 3: to the next, asking well, can somebody give me an
Speaker 3: update on my daughter? Are losing our children doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: So these are the things that are making me despondent.
Speaker 3: And I just want to add this piece. I wish
Speaker 3: everybody would read asado with me, because I want to
Speaker 3: talk about it all the time. But when Asada Shakur
Speaker 3: was in the hospital bed after being falsely accused, beaten, bloodied,
Speaker 3: chained to a bed, and these these things still happen.
Speaker 3: They still chain black women. If you're pregnant in labor,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, they chain you to a bed. The police
Speaker 3: officers will come and punch her in her wounds, and
Speaker 3: they would also take their fingers and stab her in
Speaker 3: the eye with their fingers with a hot substance on it,
Speaker 3: so her eyes would burn so she couldn't see. And
Speaker 3: there is physical violence that we endure, but what we're
Speaker 3: talking about with Breonna Taylor is the structural violence that
Speaker 3: we endure. I don't know how we survived this. We
Speaker 3: will survive it. Not everybody, though, And that's I keep
Speaker 3: reminding people of that, like, yeah, we survived, said, well, right,
Speaker 3: it's not everybody. We survived enslavement, but not everybody, And
Speaker 3: so she was somebody who didn't survive this moment. And
Speaker 3: to relive this now, it's just I just I feel
Speaker 3: it with so much rage and sadness. Sadness first, and
Speaker 3: the sadness falls into a callus of rage. I just
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do, Guys, I really don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens next. What will we do
Speaker 3: if they if they pardon the police officer, then then
Speaker 3: what comes next? Are we gonna riot again? And I
Speaker 3: will tell you this is they eclip it if they
Speaker 3: want to. I am a person I believe that riots
Speaker 3: are a language that gets a response, and under this administration,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know that holding hands
Speaker 3: and singing Kumbaya gets the same response as the white
Speaker 3: man's money. I'm not encouraging writing because at this point
Speaker 3: they can turn the military against us and start shooting.
Speaker 3: But I just don't know what where do we take
Speaker 3: our outrage?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we have to one stop pretending
Speaker 4: as normal. I think we have to I think each
Speaker 4: of this has to be treated with the level of
Speaker 4: seriousness that we feel it. If we had no reaction
Speaker 4: to a pardon by this president of this murderous man
Speaker 4: of black women, shame on us, because we then create
Speaker 4: a permission structure by which they can do the shit
Speaker 4: again and again and again with no anticipation for a
Speaker 4: pushback from us. So no, we have to be righteously
Speaker 4: indignant this time and every time, because say their names
Speaker 4: mean the names keep changing. A new target, a new person,
Speaker 4: a new family, a new child, spouse, mother is impacted.
Speaker 4: So every time and every time, we have to show
Speaker 4: rage every time so that they hear, they so that
Speaker 4: they know that they can't keep passing this way with
Speaker 4: no pushback. You can't keep doing this thing, thumping us
Speaker 4: on the head and thinking that you're not gonna get
Speaker 4: pushed in pushing in a thoat next time because they
Speaker 4: don't consider us. So we we we we, yes, we
Speaker 4: must respond, but this response has to be tilted toward accountability.
Speaker 4: So however we show our anger. Yes, let's do it,
Speaker 4: but we need to know what accountability day is coming.
Speaker 1: And I think who we're throwing and on that sorry
Speaker 1: tip on that on accountability day is coming in our
Speaker 1: accountability is the show's gonna rap very soon. We got
Speaker 1: to new cause of action, but before we get there,
Speaker 1: we're to take a quick time out so Tiff can say, yes.
Speaker 3: I was just about to say, can we go because
Speaker 3: my computer? So yeah, for those of you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna hang on until it.
Speaker 1: Dies, okay, and Tiff is if y'all are watching it
Speaker 1: listening at home, tips computers hanging on by very thin thread.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have tips call to action first, just
Speaker 1: in case you don't make it through.
Speaker 3: My call to action is just to stay sane, not
Speaker 3: to let them steal our imagination. I don't have a
Speaker 3: meteor call to action because I've been so caught up
Speaker 3: and trying to run from depression and sadness and the darkness.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And even that is exhausting, you know, It's like you
Speaker 3: feel the heaviness coming on. And I am reading less
Speaker 3: papers these days and more books and just trying to
Speaker 3: spend my time just in in in the light and
Speaker 3: not so much in the darkness. So if y'all have
Speaker 3: any tips for me or tips that y'all do to
Speaker 3: just keep yourself saying these days, I remain open. I'm
Speaker 3: not a SPA person. They're ready to go to the SPA.
Speaker 3: I'm not a SPA person. But anything that you're doing,
Speaker 3: that's that's keeping you from stealing on the next person
Speaker 3: that says something that's how I feel.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: And just because I have the MIC, I just want
Speaker 3: to say a really quick congratulations to the Mario Solomon
Speaker 3: Simmons who won his case against the Creek Nation it
Speaker 3: was a situation where the indigenous community was denying Black
Speaker 3: Creek Nation members membership, and so in this victory, Uh,
Speaker 3: he's literally saving lives because they will have access to
Speaker 3: life saving benefits just as the government is taking them away.
Speaker 3: Angela will correct me if I got any of that
Speaker 3: wrong legally, but.
Speaker 1: Maria will likely join us next week. Ag what you got?
Speaker 4: I love it? We got it? Okay. My real quick
Speaker 4: is I was asked yesterday what is the advice that
Speaker 4: I'm giving my sons in light of the latest incident
Speaker 4: that was made public It dates back to February but
Speaker 4: in Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida, where the young man was
Speaker 4: roughed up, punched in the face, the police hit out
Speaker 4: the window all because he was asking what was legally
Speaker 4: allowable for him to ask, which is why you pulled
Speaker 4: me over. That's supposed to be the first thing that's
Speaker 4: declared when you are stopped, is the reason being given?
Speaker 4: And then am I under arrest or resist a citation?
Speaker 4: And his basic questions were met with the most brutal
Speaker 4: attack from law enforcement. And by the way, y'all, this
Speaker 4: is all happening under a black republic. Male sheriff, who
Speaker 4: is about as bad as the same creatures that he
Speaker 4: basically said acted within the authority and the scope of
Speaker 4: their responsibility as a law enforcement entity. So I would
Speaker 4: just say, we have to revisit what advice we are
Speaker 4: giving our children. It used to be pretty formed that
Speaker 4: we knew how to comport ourselves around law enforcement. And
Speaker 4: my cliff knows. Version of what I'm telling my kids
Speaker 4: is basically, we're gonna get the justice. You believe that,
Speaker 4: but in this moment, I need you to survive. And
Speaker 4: so these are the things that we're going to pay
Speaker 4: attention to for survival, and then Daddy and Mama and
Speaker 4: our village will get justice on the other side of
Speaker 4: you surviving this incident. And I just would like folks
Speaker 4: to revisit this conversation with their children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I make a request because this is such
Speaker 3: a it's all over social media. If we've been talking
Speaker 3: about it, I think it deserves more conversation than the CTA.
Speaker 3: So maybe this is something we can talk about on
Speaker 3: the mini pod or a later episode. But would love
Speaker 3: to revisit this because I the pain, even in your
Speaker 3: voice Andrew of saying and that so many parents say
Speaker 3: that like, I just want you to come home. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what, let me deal with it, you come home.
Speaker 3: So I would love to pick that up if we can.
Speaker 1: It is definitely a weighty and emotional topic again, especially
Speaker 1: given the backdrop of Breonna Taylor and how that situation
Speaker 1: could have gone for mister McNeil junior I believe is
Speaker 1: his name. I speaking of the village that Andrew just
Speaker 1: brought up. I want to deepen us into what it
Speaker 1: means to stand up mutual aid networks. You can start
Speaker 1: with your neighborhood and your pods. Who are the people
Speaker 1: when it all goes down, if the electricity goes out,
Speaker 1: that you're going to talk to to make sure that
Speaker 1: everybody's safe in your neighborhood, in your family? What are
Speaker 1: the phone numbers you know by heart? Where are the
Speaker 1: places where you can go see? I can pick BlackBerry's
Speaker 1: up my street, but I can't pick much else. So
Speaker 1: I got to figure out some other solutions. I want
Speaker 1: you to think about your neighborhood pods and who has
Speaker 1: what gifts and talents? Are there five people that you
Speaker 1: can call on who do different things? Is there somebody
Speaker 1: who fixes things? Who knows how to be handy if
Speaker 1: the electricity goes out. Someone who has a military background
Speaker 1: that can help you with some basic survival incincts. Who
Speaker 1: can help y'all organize emergency bags to go, a water supply,
Speaker 1: emergency food. The other thing that I would suggest is
Speaker 1: tapping into the local farmers in your area and figuring
Speaker 1: out some type of bartering system. This sounds like doomsday, armageddon,
Speaker 1: end of the world. And I will tell y'all the
Speaker 1: reason why this is top of mind for me is
Speaker 1: my mom and I were waiting for my dad to
Speaker 1: meet us at this restaurant the other day in Madison
Speaker 1: Park in Seattle. The electricity completely went out and my
Speaker 1: mom looks at me and she says, ang, they attacked
Speaker 1: the grid, and she was convinced. Right our phones weren't working,
Speaker 1: nothing was working. So what I'm saying to you is
Speaker 1: this is closer than it may appear. And again, don't
Speaker 1: want you to be doomsday, but I do want you
Speaker 1: to be prepared. There was a very cheesy, awful slogan
Speaker 1: that came from Secretary shirt Off under George Bush, the
Speaker 1: first Department of Homeland Security secretary. He said, be prepared,
Speaker 1: not scared. This is going to be the first and
Speaker 1: last time you ever hear me quote Secretary Churttop. But
Speaker 1: I do think that that is indeed the point. And
Speaker 1: so if we can get prepared and know that we
Speaker 1: will survive, Andrew to your point, I think that will
Speaker 1: be all right.
Speaker 3: I just can I make a quick fact tech you
Speaker 3: can tell me if I'm wrong. But I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: Tom Ridge was the first DHSC I think you're right.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot about it.
Speaker 1: Churchtop was care not here, but he yes, still remember that,
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush. But you're right, and Tom Ridge
Speaker 1: is you're correct? My bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the Pennsylvania governor.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, when you get your bags,
Speaker 1: get your best.
Speaker 3: I ain't heard that name shirts off in so long,
Speaker 3: and I forgot all about that. That's how old we
Speaker 3: get in y'all. Because I'm like, I do remember that.
Speaker 3: Just when you're saying, don't be dooms, they don't be scared,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, girl, Like I think we
Speaker 3: should be a little well, I think prepared.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a different and maybe this is
Speaker 1: just the distinction I should make. I think there's one
Speaker 1: thing to be clear eyed about what we're up against.
Speaker 1: I think there's another doomsday to me, means well, forget it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing we could do. It's just gonna die. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whereas I'm saying, no, here are some tactical things that
Speaker 1: you can do that mayfield because when I'm saying establish
Speaker 1: a mutual aid network, well what does that really mean?
Speaker 1: So if you can identify five people in your neighborhood,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with y'all. You guys can hold
Speaker 1: me account. But this I don't talk to none of
Speaker 1: my neighbors. So I'm gonna have some work to do.
Speaker 1: But we may be in a situation we got to
Speaker 1: lean on each other. So just say, hey, y'all, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what your gifts are. I can cook,
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you guys got one of them
Speaker 1: little burners that operate on the fire outside, I can
Speaker 1: hook y'all up in that regard. I got some cast irons, right, Like,
Speaker 1: what can we do? Who was in the military, who
Speaker 1: you know, worked for the federal government, it does whatever
Speaker 1: it is, Who does how to do cold who got
Speaker 1: a satellite phone? Whatever it is? Just find your tribe
Speaker 1: and rock.
Speaker 3: With so many people. When we have the doomsday expert
Speaker 3: on so many survivalist, survivalist AFRO, so many people afrovivalists,
Speaker 3: so many people were saying, No, I'm good, I didn't
Speaker 3: fall a long enough.
Speaker 4: No, it's gonna have to take it.
Speaker 3: They were not feeling it. I don't have a plan though,
Speaker 3: when you when you step up, like I don't talk
Speaker 3: to my neighbors. But my only plan Michael here, who
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 1: What if you?
Speaker 3: Is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: But I'm so.
Speaker 3: Proud and jealous because Michael Harriet. His book is over
Speaker 3: a year old, and it keeps popping up on the
Speaker 3: New York Times bestseller list. They have never Michael and
Speaker 3: his wife have never invited me to their home. They've
Speaker 3: never said, Tiffany, come stay with us. And I've been
Speaker 3: there about five times now. They are my doomsday plan.
Speaker 3: Like I if I can't get on the plane, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not to drive, I'm abot to hit.
Speaker 1: You have to walk, you like walking Hell, you have
Speaker 1: to walk to Georgia.
Speaker 3: I will walk, I will walk.
Speaker 4: But y'all, it's it's we're saying doomsday because it seems
Speaker 4: it seems so rare and like not going to happen
Speaker 4: during our lifetime. But you know, as you rightly, I
Speaker 4: think we're leading us to Angela the assaults. The attacks
Speaker 4: are less militarized, you know, going forward and into the future.
Speaker 4: These are these are much more what we might think
Speaker 4: as benign, but they're logistics. It's airplane and those satellites
Speaker 4: being shuttered, and then pilots are not knowing whether they're
Speaker 4: going into the sky or into the ocean. It is
Speaker 4: traffic signalization that much of it cooperates on a grid system.
Speaker 4: It's power plants being not shuttered. They can continue to operate,
Speaker 4: but all of the calculations around its output are shuttered,
Speaker 4: and so you basically end up creating nuclear bombs out
Speaker 4: of these facilities that are then generating too much if
Speaker 4: they don't have a felt set turn off you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I know we're cutting out of here, but I just
Speaker 4: want folks to know this is not so remote a
Speaker 4: set of possibilities as you might think. These are logistical.
Speaker 4: It feels like every day benign, But just think about
Speaker 4: what happens when you can't get fresh well, you can't
Speaker 4: get water out of the water at the sink because
Speaker 4: it's been contaminated because somebody manufactured and played with the formulas.
Speaker 3: Of twenty people are like, millions of people are going
Speaker 3: through that right now, and I know we've got a
Speaker 3: hop So I just want to say the doomsday clock,
Speaker 3: if you're not familiar, is it's a symbol that represents
Speaker 3: the estimated likelihood of some sort of man made global catastrophe.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people follow the doomsday clock. The
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Speaker 4: So it shifts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shifts as it assesses threats, and as of
Speaker 3: I think January twenty twenty five, eighty nine seconds to midnight.
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