1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stuff. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I heeart ideas how 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: stuff works. And we're back and we're back. Sorry about 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: the cliffhanger. We're actually gonna be talking about one of 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: the most famous cliffhangers of all time in this episode. 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to talk about it. I will leave 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: you in suspense. There our list, and I'm like, wait, 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: which one I will leave you in suspense? Um, if 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to our part one on revenge all 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: about the science and history, suggest you go do that, um, 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: because in this one, we're gonna be looking at specific 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: examples of our more modern female revenge right and trigger 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: warning before we get into it for sexual assault, violence, 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: and brief mentions of mental health and suicide. Like he 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: said in the previous episode, one aspect of revenge films 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: are they are fantastical, they are heightened, They are usually 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: ultra violent. And I was thinking why this might be 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: why I watched way too many of them, uh, And 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I think it's because it ups the satisfaction. Nothing will 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: ever erase what was done, and if the feeling of 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: relief or satisfaction is destructive, it will only last in 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: short term. As we said in the previous episode, might 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: as well exaggerate it and keep doing it to keep 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: getting revenge in your fantasies. You don't hold back you 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: in the old you'd try to imagine how you can 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: inflict as much pain and damage as was done to you. 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: And also, as we said in the previous episode, science 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: shows were really bad at judging the appropriate amount of payback. 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of these examples. But first disclaimer, 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: almost all of them are white women. There's a lot 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: of our icles written about why that is. White women 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: are allowed to be angry and vengeful and yet remain 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: sympathetic and deserving of our empathy in a way that 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: women of color still are not. But that is changing 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: very slowly, but it is changing, all right. And another disclaimer, 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: I guess we categorized our examples and some basic recurring tropes. 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: They're kind of arbitrary. There. There are things that come 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: up a lot, and a lot of them do overlap 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: um and could be in multiple categories, but we did 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: our best to organize them in a way that makes 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: sense because there's a lot of them. It turns out, 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: and again they do overlap a lot, so you could 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: be talking about one example in one place, but also 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: could to attribute to other places. Yes, absolutely, and one 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: of the biggest genres that we needed to talk about 46 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: is the genre rape and revenge. Rape and revenge films, 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, these are very divisive movies that 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: have generated a lot of discussion about exportation and empowerment. 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: These films typically start with a traditionally beautiful young woman 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: getting raped, often by more than one man, and then 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: often leftford dead, not always. Then comes the revenge, violent 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: frequently and penis gets cut off. The rape is often 53 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: quite long and brutal. These movies long have been for 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: the most part written in directed by men, which is 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: part of the main criticism of them, and the rape 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: scene filmed through the male gaze and the attackers p 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: o V. This puts the audience in position of sympathizing 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: with the rapist. Sometimes pornographic elements raised the question of 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: rape as a form of entertainment. I think we had 60 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: that conversation for Game of Thrones that was definitely one 61 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: of the big criticisms that happened there. So these movies 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: rose to popularity during the seventies in the U S, 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: which coincided with discussions around so many issues and anxieties 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: around women, including roversus weide an abortion. But it also 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: was when our society started taking rape seriously and also 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: the loosening of censorship restrictions. So you can see our 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday Alien Edition that we dearly love for 68 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: more on the social anxieties around women and how they 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: are reflected in our movies. So in I Spit on 70 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Your Grave, main character Jennifer undergoes an unrelenting twenty one 71 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: minutes of rape in total, and it engages in about 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: forty five minutes of revenge. The actor who played Jennifer 73 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: camil Keaton allegedly said of the revenge portion that it 74 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: made males in our audience significantly uncomfortable. I'm sure it did, 75 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: I hope so. Uh and yes, And we mentioned that 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: one at the end of our our part one as 77 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: being kind of one of the big first examples in 78 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the United States, But it wasn't the first one. It 79 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: wasn't the first rape revenge movie at all. In nineteen 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: sixty one, Igmar Bergman's The Virgin Spring, a film depicting 81 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: a medieval poem about a man's revenge against the men 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: who raped his daughter one Best Foreign Language Film. It 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: went on to inspire West Craven's The Last House on 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: the Left in nineteen seventy two and worth mentioning, Uh, 85 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: the woman who is raped is not always the one 86 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: getting revenge. That's something else we sort of talked about 87 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: in our part one. From Sarah Pransky's book Watching Rape, 88 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: film and Television and post feminist culture, films in this 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: subgenre quote depend on rape to motivate and justify a 90 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: particularly violent version of masculinity, relegating the women to minor 91 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: props in the narrative. She also wrote of the quote 92 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: feminist paradox between a desire to end rape and a 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: need to represent and therefore perpetuate discursive rape in order 94 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: to challenge it. So a few other prominent examples we 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: wanted to mention Miss forty five and nineteen eight, one 96 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: film about a mute woman who was raped twice in 97 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: one day and goes on to killing Street with her 98 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: forty five, first focusing on men who have wronged women, 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: and then targeting any man that crosses her path. The 100 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Accused of nineteen eighty nine Jonathan Kaplan film starring Jodie 101 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: Foster as a woman who gets gang raped at a 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: bar to the cheers of patrons, and this is based 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: on the real life nine case of Cheryl A Rajo. 104 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: This film does not show the rape scene until the 105 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: very and when a male witness recounts the event in court, 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: and perhaps to reflect the unfortunate tooth that we as 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: a society trust men's words over women's and just kind 108 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: of throw it out there. Jodie Foster also did another 109 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: one called The Brave One, which was after her her 110 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: fiancee are brutally attacked, she goes on on a vigilante spree. Yeah, 111 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: so she's been a few of those. That's kind of 112 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: an interesting flip on it. In the British Board of 113 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: Sensors labeled rape and revenge movies quote video nasties, and 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: they were deemed too explicit to be sold in stores. 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: The board said that they quote glorified the act of 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: rape and inspired copycat crimes. Styke Larson's two thousand five 117 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: but Girl with a Dragon Tattoo later made it into 118 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: a Swedish film and then an American remake has a 119 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: side plot of rape and revenge when the main character 120 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: Elizabeth is coercinceatually assaulted by her state appointed legal guardian, 121 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the person who controls her money. Essentially, she ties him 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: down and tattoos rapist pig across the chest. After securing 123 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: from him control of her life and finances, he cowers 124 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: away from her next time they see each other, And 125 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: there's an argument to be made that the main plot 126 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: is sort of a rape revenge story. And the original 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: title of the book, by the way, it was men 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: who Hate Women, which, yeah, it's an interesting concept because 129 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: the whole it seems to be an origin story for her, 130 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: which I think you and I talked a lot about 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: while we were watching First Wives Club. There's always some 132 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: origin story, and even though this is not necessarily your 133 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: typical superhero movies, obviously, but this is still kind of 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: the hero or anti hero movies. But yeah, I guess 135 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: you're right, because that's her origin story. But then the 136 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: plot of what happened and this mystery has a lot 137 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: to do with what happened to the young girls, and 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: it definitely rolls with that whole theme. Yes, and I 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: might be mistaken. I'm pretty sure there's a new one 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Craig in the American version he is. But 141 00:07:54,920 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: there's another new one. Okay, okay, I think um I 142 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: it has clear floy in it. Anyway, the category is 143 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: a bit more diverse, this rape revenged category than most 144 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: people might think, especially more modernly. And this is where 145 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I come in, because I watched a lot of these 146 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: nearer entries into the genre are changing things up with 147 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: a spade of female directed rape revenge movies that do 148 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: not employ the male gaze that focus on the survivor instead. 149 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: They are also more realistic and that the rape is 150 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: perpetrated by someone the woman knows, different from stranger stranger 151 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: danger perpetrators of earlier films in the genre, and during 152 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: the rape scene or scenes, the focus is on the 153 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: experience of the victim rather than the perpetrator and the 154 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: aftermath of the trauma and PTSD. For example, Coreley Farjats 155 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: Revenge in Seen. This is a French rape revenge movie 156 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: that follows Gin, who is the mistress of a rich 157 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: married man named Richard, while on vacation on a remote 158 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: island only accessible via helicopter. One of Richard's friends rapes 159 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: her while Richard is away. Instead of lashing out at 160 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: his friend, though when he finds out, he of course 161 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: pushes her off a cliff, leaves her for dead, engine 162 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: gets her revenge. Um. There's a very fascinating line at 163 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: the end where he says something like women always have 164 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: to put up a fight O that same thing. Yeah, um, 165 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: and then m f A. I also watched this one. 166 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: This was the twenties seventeen film directed by Natalia Lita 167 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and written by Leah mkendrick. It follows art student Noel 168 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: played by Francesca Eastwood, and Noel is an introvert and 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: she's a bit of an outcast in her program. Her 170 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: art is consistently criticized by her professor and the students, 171 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: like publicly for being timid. Um. She has a crush 172 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: on her fellow art student Luke, who also seems to 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: reciprocate her feelings, but then Luke brutally actually assaults her. 174 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: The camera stags focused on her during this whole thing. 175 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: You can see her disassociate. The music drops out and 176 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: goes There's like a droning humming sound, which reminds me 177 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: of my one of my favorite episodes of television ever, 178 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: in an episode of Buffy where her mom dies. Um. 179 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: Noel is at first consumed with thoughts of getting justice. 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: She does. She tells her roommate right away, and her 181 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: roommate says, don't report it because I had a friend 182 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: that same thing happened to her and nobody believed her 183 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: and made her feel terrible about herself. But Noel goes 184 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: and doesn't anyway, and lo and behold, it's all like, 185 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: did you have something to drink? Did you what? Did 186 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: anybody see it? How long were you together alone in 187 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: the like, all these questions that made her doubt herself. Um, 188 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: did you ever say no? Which she did? Um. Yeah. 189 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: So then she goes to a support group, and the 190 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: support group is more intent on, um, here's the fingernail 191 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: polished that you can dip and it'll detect the date rate, 192 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: drug or you know, ways of like dealing with it 193 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: or finding support. And when Noel is like, well, why 194 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: don't we try to stop the people that are doing 195 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: the raping? And they're kind of like, well, what's the 196 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: world we live in? Um? Yeah, So she confronts her attacker, 197 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: accidentally kills him, kind of gets a taste for it, uh, 198 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: and starts seeking out rapist and killing them. And as 199 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: she's doing this, her art is becoming more and more brave, 200 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: as the professor put it, like the wow, this is 201 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: so good enough, so that at the end she's the 202 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: one they select to give the like speech because she's 203 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: made such progress. And then she gets arrested. After she 204 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: gets her m f A. She gets arrested. She had 205 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: a glow up and then arrested. Always say it so. 206 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: In Jennifer Kent's Nightingale from two thousand eighteen s Colonial Australia, 207 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: after the film's protagonist, Irish convict Claire, is raped and 208 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: she's determined to get revenge on her attacker, who also 209 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: murdered her infant child and husband, obviously in tandem. The 210 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: narrative explores the persecution of Australia's Indigenous people, and the 211 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: rape scenes unfold entirely from Claire's point of view, um 212 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: and the frame closes in on her face. Said in 213 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: an interview about the reaction to the film, what I've 214 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: learned is the difficult relationship we have is in separating 215 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: the act of rape as an act of sex as 216 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: opposed to an act of violence. I'm in the latter camp. 217 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: It's using a sexual act attempt to annihilate another human 218 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: being that's it's aim. I agree with that. That was 219 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: a really yeah, which is also when I watched revenge, 220 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: films typically stay away from those. So which is while 221 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I would never told her watch that I 222 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: did not know, she would have texted me they are 223 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: all hurt breaking, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have watched it 224 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: with you, but I would have at least supported you 225 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: through text me like are you okay? Are you okay? Now? 226 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: How are you now? It was they were rough, they 227 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: were rough. Um. So those are some prominent examples from 228 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: that that genre of female revenge, which is a pretty 229 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: big one, and it is it is nice to see 230 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: that women are making them now. I think that is 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: a good step. Um. But let's turn to another category here, 232 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: which is kind of broad, but the bride slash mother 233 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: slash family revenge, right, I think I see that in 234 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: a lot of you. And I've talked about this repeatedly 235 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: about how ghosts and hauntings have a lot to do 236 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: with mother's conventions. Yes, and I'm like, what what what? 237 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: Why is that such a thing? I don't know, but 238 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, So if you think of these sort 239 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: of stereotypical roles of women as the scorned bride of 240 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the scorned lover, the mother whose child has been abused 241 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: or killed, or the dutiful or conniving daughter. It's kind 242 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about here, although cheating and scorn 243 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: is a whole category onto itself, because it's such a 244 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: big one that we'll get to in a moment if 245 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: you go all the way back, if you look at Shakespeare, 246 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: he frequently dabbled in tales of betrayal and revenge in 247 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: this genre, although not too often with women. King Lear 248 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: is an example, though. Two of king Lear's daughters, Reagan 249 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: and Gonerill, enraged by his clear favoritism of his youngest 250 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: daughter their sister, Cordelia, seek to get revenge against the 251 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: both of them. Cordelia is banished and her father. He 252 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: does this whole thing at the beginning where he asked 253 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: the three of them, who loves me the most? And oh, 254 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: I know, And the first two sisters go into these 255 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: this whole spiel, and then Cordelia, who does love him 256 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the most, is like, I'm not sure. I can't find 257 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: the words to express how much I love you. They 258 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: don't exist, and he thinks, oh, well, clearly, and and 259 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: banishes her Um and this leaves him kind of at 260 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: the whims of too to her sister, Um. Yeah, and 261 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: they enact all these plans two for power mostly, but 262 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: as happens a lot, and the tension grows between Reagan 263 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: and Gonerill, who are both obsessed with obtaining the most 264 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: power and both are competing for the love of the 265 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: same man. Cordelia attempts to rescue her father, but they 266 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: both end up dying in prison. Reagan and Gonnareil, meanwhile 267 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: both parish Reagan after Gonnareille poisons her and Gonnaille kills herself, 268 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: both consumed by vengeance, leaving many victims in their wake. 269 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: And then there is a film called The bridewa Black 270 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: which is from Ight by France, based on the book 271 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: by William Irish slash Cornell Woolwich went by pseudonym Um, 272 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: and this is about a woman systematically seeking revenge on 273 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: the five men who murdered her husband on their wedding day. 274 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: One by one she murders them and as the events 275 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: lead up to the Groom's Day, the Groom's Day, the 276 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: groups death are revealed via flashbacks, we as the audience 277 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: can see sort of what happened, we can piece it together. 278 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: In one instance, she models that as the huntress Diana. 279 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: For one of her victims, he's an artist and he's 280 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: painting her and she has this arrow and you're like, oh, yeah, 281 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: that's going down. It's going down. Yeah. She shoots him 282 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: with the arrow, but she she kind of looks at 283 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: the mural depicting her, has a moment, doesn't pain over it, 284 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: doesn't get rid of it, and is arrested. In prison, 285 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: she kills her fifth and final victim, who she hadn't 286 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: been able to get too previously because he had been 287 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: imprisoned himself. Then there's Enough. With Jennifer Lopez from Two Thou, 288 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: which was based on the novel by Anna Quinlan Black 289 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and Blue, Jennifer Lopez plays Slim, a woman who thrins 290 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: to leave her abusive husband and father to her daughter 291 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: after discovering he was having an affair. He beats her 292 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: in response, informing her that unless she's willing to fight, 293 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: he's not going to stop having in this affair, and 294 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: that because he's a man, it's quote no contest. She 295 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: attempts to leave with her daughter and the help of 296 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: some friends, but is foiled she was forced to flee. 297 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: She asked her rich father for money to help her escape, 298 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: but he gives her just twelve dollars because he doesn't 299 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: leave her. He changes this tune, however, when he's threatened 300 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: by Slim's husband's men and he helps her buy a house. 301 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: After a lawyer informs her essentially, no one's going to 302 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: believe you. Slim takes martial arts classes and methodically plans 303 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: her revenge. She wins in a fight between them and 304 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: eventually kills him in self defense. That movie had this 305 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: big build up to be this epic scene. Did you 306 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: watch it a long time ago? And I saw it 307 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: on TBS, so I'm sure it was edited. I'm sure, 308 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: but it really is kind of anti climatic. You're like, 309 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: I really, maybe this is me needing in life. I 310 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: was just like, that lasted thirty seconds and half the 311 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: time was he put her in a corner and she 312 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: had a her way out, and I guess that made 313 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: her the absolute victims, so she couldn't be disliked at 314 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: any point in time. But it seemed kind of anti climatic. 315 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: You're like, why she did all these prepping and you 316 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: would think that there's an ultimate showdown, but essentially it's 317 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: she has to trap and trick him and then she 318 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: ends up being the bigger person, but does end up 319 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: killing him trying to give him his lee leeway apparently 320 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of sleeping with an enemy, except 321 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: in sleeping with the enemy, he comes after her, she 322 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: tries to leave. Have you seen that movie? That's interesting? 323 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: So in Quentin Tarantino's Killed Bill, which that kind of 324 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: was one of the reasons you and I started talking 325 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: about more and more about all the revenge films. In 326 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Volume one and Volume two, made in two thousand three, 327 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: these films followed Beatrix Kiddo played by with Thurman, and 328 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: her violent journey to get revenge after she is shot 329 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: up all pregnant on her wedding day, and she's sometimes 330 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: referred to as the bride. Actually throughout the whole first 331 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: it is she is the bride. However, it's also kind 332 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: of a rape revenge film. While pretending to be comatos, 333 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: she was actually assaulted multiple times and then if you 334 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: watch the movie, you know the ultimate bloody, bloody ending. Um. 335 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Tarantino labeled Kill Bill as a feminist statement, and I 336 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: know that this was actually written with Ms Derman in 337 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: mine and I believe while she was pregnant with our 338 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: first child, they were kind of coming up with this 339 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: idea together. From what I understood, Um, this is a 340 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: long line of movies with badass women working for a dude, 341 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: which Tarantino has this weird obsession with very strong women. 342 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's weird, but he has an 343 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: obsession with very strong women, which makes you go yay. 344 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: And obviously this was produced by Weinstein, which is part 345 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: of the reason we didn't want to do an entire 346 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: episode dedicated to one of these movies, even though to me, 347 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the big obviously big shout 348 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: outs to women protective, being motherly and being strong, and 349 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: with that during the middle of the mini revelations being 350 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: finally heard and believed about Mr Weinstein, which you know, 351 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: we're still dealing with him and his walk or self. Um, 352 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: many people were waiting for Darman's response because she had 353 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: such a big relationship with both of them, and she 354 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: finally did with the statement she said in a in 355 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: a tweet, she said in a post, I feel it's 356 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: important to take your time, be fair, be exact, so 357 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: dot dot dot Happy Thanksgiving everyone except you, Harvey and 358 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: all your wicked conspirators. I'm glad it's going slowly. You 359 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: don't deserve a bullet, which is a very kid oot 360 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: statement to make. Of course, she elaborated her story with 361 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: I think in an interview I can't remember who the 362 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: interview was with when she did talk about all of 363 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: the abuse and all of the trauma that she had 364 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: to go through while filming these movies. And I think, 365 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: I know we've been talking another about another movie as 366 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: it comes down, but it kind of just again, it's 367 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of what you were saying. It's kind of weird 368 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: that it was created by this man. And obviously there's 369 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: this double full reality of what was happening behind the 370 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: scenes as well as trying to empower women are talking 371 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: about women being empowered and coming to seek vengeance. This 372 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: whole different perspective. And I watched these very late last 373 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: night for the first time in a long time. I've 374 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: seen them before. Um, and I do love the ending 375 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: of the second one where the revenge kind of weighs 376 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: out everything else. Um, it like has to happen that 377 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: it's just been building up. Right. There's a couple and 378 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things within that. When we talk 379 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: about um oh, she Aorn this character, her origin story 380 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: was because of vengeance when she watches her which was 381 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen in 382 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: my life. I think I was so distraught after I 383 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: saw it in the movies of her what sey her 384 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: parents being murdered. So also via a Fox's character, they 385 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of kept it open to have her daughter who 386 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: witnessed murder to possibly come back with a vengeance story 387 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: of thee Yeah, yeah, yeah, never end, yeah, of course, 388 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and it was. I think it would have been an 389 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: interesting concept. Um and then something else we want to 390 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: talk about. The nine novel True Grit by Charles Ortis 391 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: later made into a Coen Brothers movies starring Hayley Steinfeld 392 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: and before that nine John Wayne film. I love that 393 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: John Wayne film. I've never seen that one. That's what 394 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: I grew up on. I actually didn't see it John 395 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: Wayne film until I was in college. But anyway, So 396 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: this is a western about young girl Maddie Ross and 397 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: her mission to get revenge on the man who murdered 398 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: her father with the help of a U S Marshal 399 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: and a Texas Ranger. Both men um though they agree, 400 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: they repeatedly try to ditch her despite her insistence that 401 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: she accompanied them, but she is more determined than they realize, 402 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: and eventually they're like, okay, you can come. Um. She 403 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: eventually does get her revenge. Her target says something like 404 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: I didn't think you'd do it after she shoots him, 405 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: and she also climbs out of a rattlesnake pit using 406 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: the bones of a skeleton in there with her Is 407 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: that the book because in the movies dif front I 408 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: think it's in the book. Yeah, okay, Yeah. There's a 409 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of theorizing about the symbolize what that symbolizes in there. 410 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: Then there's Mark mcdonnaugh's Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri, which 411 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: is twenty seventeen film that follows Frances mcdorman's character Mildred, 412 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: who is a mother trying to get revenge for her 413 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: daughter's rape and murder and taking it out on just 414 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: about everyone, but mainly the police that pretty much have 415 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: dismissed on and given up on the case. In fact, 416 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: I got hit my car while crossing the street to 417 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: go see this movie, and then I went to go 418 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: and my friends. I was seeing it with your like, 419 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: what's wrong with your legs? And I said, we'll see. 420 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: I remember it so well. Did you decided to take 421 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: vengeance on the dude that hit you? All I know 422 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: is he is a white car from California. That's all 423 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: I have. That could have been the beginning of a 424 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: new movie you prevented. Remember so Game of Thrones, as 425 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier was full of women 426 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: seeking revenge from Aria's list to say, this is orchestrating 427 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: the painful death of her abuser Ramsey and Nara's entire 428 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: quest for the Iron throne and her vengeful ending as well. 429 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: UM also wanted to stick in here the Korean horror 430 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: film Bedeviled, which has several things including the loss of 431 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: the daughter and I guess in some way a loss 432 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: of a friendship. It was um to me one of 433 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: the most disturbing movies because it's they're isolated on the 434 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: small island and she's getting pretty abused by her husband, 435 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: his brother, her mother. Like it's just a concept, and 436 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: then of course it's centered around that and with the 437 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: loss and then causes this woman to quote unquote snap 438 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: as I've seen in reviews murdering the entire island's inhabitants. 439 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: And it's very, very brutal. But yeah, it's definitely one 440 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: of those up there. When it comes to like being 441 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: a mother, she was okay, she dealt with the abuse, 442 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: and then she finally was like, oh no, the last straw. 443 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: Speaking of the last straw, we got another category, a 444 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: huge one to talk about, and that is cheating. But 445 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for a word from 446 00:24:48,920 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor, and we 447 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: are back with the huge when it comes to female revenge, 448 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: women getting revenge on men who cheated on them or 449 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: are who weren't loyal to them. Right. So The Women 450 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: a nineteen nine film inspired by Clara booth Luse's play, 451 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: directed by George Kuchar, with a screenplay written by Anita 452 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: Louise and Jane Murphin, and starting only women for all 453 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: one thirty speaking roles, including iconic Joan Crawford. Even all 454 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the subjects in the super Gussie Manhattan apartments are are 455 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: almost all of women. However, though men aren't present, they 456 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: are much discussed. The plot follows Mary, who, after finding 457 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: out her husband is cheating on her, plans to get 458 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: revenge on the other woman and a divorce from her husband, 459 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: largely at the encouragement of her friends. On a train 460 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: ride on her way to secure her divorce, she meets 461 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: several other women doing the same thing, gossip, backstabbing, catfights, 462 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: and winning back husband. Oh my gosh, I watched this too. 463 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: For this it's a classic. It's a lot happening, you know, 464 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: for someone who loves the Transatlantic Accident, I have trouble 465 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: understanding it. Sometimes it's like, wait a minute, what are 466 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: you saying. Definitely one of the quotes I really loved 467 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: don't confide in your girlfriends. If you do, they'll see 468 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: to it, in the name of friendship that you lose 469 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: your husband and your own And that's from Mary's mom. 470 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: The movie's tagline was see them with their hair down 471 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: and their claws out. Apparently during one of the cat 472 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: fights when one of the actresses she gets bitten, like 473 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: that was real and she has a scar from it. 474 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: It was such a big thing that not too longer 475 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: they just did a whole little mini series based on 476 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: their relationship. WHOA WHOA I was when I was watching. 477 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking that in this world that all these 478 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: wayby were growing up in. You can't have jobs, or 479 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: it's harder to have a job, you can't have property, 480 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: or it's harder to own property and money, and you 481 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: can't open lines of credit. Is it really so surprising 482 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: that all these women are competing with each other and 483 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: tearing each other down? I don't, I don't know right. Also, 484 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: of note this the spawns several remakes, including the musical 485 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: The Opposite Sucks, which I watched I'm an old person, 486 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: and of course our new faith First Wives Club. You 487 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: Love It So Fatal attraction. Michael Douglas's character tease on 488 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: his wife with Glenn Close, who does not appreciate when 489 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: he tries to step away from their relationship. She goes 490 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: down a path of increasingly intense acts of revenge, including 491 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: sitting an audio tape listening all the ways he's a 492 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: selfish piece of garbage, and um yeah, broiling his child's 493 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: pet bunny, which is one of the more iconic scenes 494 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: that everybody remembers, the bunny scene, then the money scene, 495 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: and this one is a great example of one of 496 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: the main differences between revenge movies with a male protagonist 497 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: versus a female protagonist, because you're not meant to root 498 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: for Glenn Clothes at all. Know, you were meant to 499 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: see her as overacting crazy, and to be fair, she 500 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: does a lot of things that weren't that. But if 501 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: a male protagonist had done the same thing, I'm not 502 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: super convinced audiences wouldn't still be on his side, right, 503 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: because then you also look at the fact of his 504 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: wife is barely they're barely present in the movie, and 505 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: she's just the old sweed old of them, and no 506 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: one really sees the bottom line that he's an asshole 507 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: cheated right, right? And then hold this one Found Cool Intentions, 508 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: which I also watched. Directed by Roger Gumble, I'm starring 509 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller. Have you not seen it before? Oh wow? Yeah, 510 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon, Ryan Phillippi, and Selma Blair. This movie is 511 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: based on the two novel Le Liaisons written by Pierre 512 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Chotouros dead Lachlos. This is set in a in Manhattan 513 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: at large, but in a prep school specifically, and it's dark, 514 00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: comedic within at the time rare on screen female kiss. 515 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: They won an award on named TV Yes Sexiest Kiss. 516 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: That's right, of course, Keller's character Katherine tries to enlist 517 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: Felipe's character her stepbrother Sebastian help her get revenge on 518 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: an X by seducing Bulair's characters to seal the girl 519 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: Katherine's ex boyfriend dumped her for. Okay, it's very convoluted, 520 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: but basically she wants Sebastian to help her get revenge. 521 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: Sebastian has different plans, though, including instead to seduce the 522 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: virginal daughter of the Headmaster, Annette, played by Witherspoon. So 523 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: they make a bet. If Sebastian fails at seducing a net, 524 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: Katherine gets his very fancy Jaguar cars a specific model um. 525 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: If he succeeds, he gets to sleep with the only 526 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: person he's failed to have sex with after he set 527 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: his eyes on them, Catherine. What follows is a mass 528 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: of debauchery and vengeance. Sebastian actually falls in love with 529 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: an It. Of course, he wins the bet, no longer 530 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: desires to have any sex with Katherine, and Catherine is 531 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: mad at this. She manipulates him into leaving a net. Ultimately, 532 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: he dies and he gets revenged, possibly seeing against Katherine. 533 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: I was watching this like, wait a minute, but I 534 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: did want to include this quote from Sarah Michelle Geller's 535 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: character Catherine, And this is when he's kind of like 536 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: questioning how she behaves, she says, eat me, Sebastian. It's 537 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: all right for guys like you in court to everyone, 538 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: but when I do it, I get dumped for innocent 539 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: little twits like Cecil. God forbid. I exude confidence and 540 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: enjoy sex. Do you think I relish the fact that 541 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: I have to act like Mary Sunshine so I can 542 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: be considered a lady. I'm the Marshal King Brady of 543 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: the Upper east Side, and sometimes I want to kill myself. 544 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: What a film it was. It's a very up and 545 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: coming rebellious film. For sure. I can see if I 546 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: had been at the not that I didn't like it 547 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: or anything. It was enjoyable, but if i'd been at 548 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: the right age, hello, look at this was I think 549 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: also just from to remind Reese and the sales character 550 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: selling Blair get their vengeance. The whole thing is like 551 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: everybody gets revenge and then might get like revenged over, 552 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: like like a double wommy. All the things, all the 553 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: things except for drives away with the actual Roys. Yeah, yeah, 554 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: he drives away Jaguar who knows, but she's you know, 555 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: loving it with the glasses and all So Chicago, the 556 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties musical that has been made in two movies, 557 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: the two thousand two Best Picture winner and Broadway Shows, 558 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: the second longest running show in history, is a story 559 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: rife with female revenge. Bell mcklly kills her husband for 560 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: cheating on her with her sister, and Roxy Heart kills 561 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: her lover for attempting to break it off between them 562 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: and lying to her about being able to make her famous. 563 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: Both are sent to jail, where they meet several other 564 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: women in there for killing women who did them wrong, 565 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: resulting in my favorite song, Cell Block Tango, You had 566 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: it coming, Yeah, my favorite song when You're Good to Mama, which, 567 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: by the way, there's a viral video going around with 568 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: Florence Pube doing a great rendition of that. Somebody saying 569 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: at our holiday karaokee party, here, I was there. There 570 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: were other things happening, but someone saying, really, yes when 571 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: you it wasn't me, it was not, but did somebody did? 572 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Then there's John Tucker Must Die, which is a two 573 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen comedy film directed by Betty Thomas with 574 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: the tagline don't get mad at Everything. The plot revolves 575 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: around three young women who discover their high school basketball 576 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: star boyfriend, John Tucker is dating all three of them 577 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: at once, promising each they are the one, and then 578 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: they worked together along with the fourth person, to get revenge. Yeah. 579 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: So in two thousand, show Revenge on ABC starring Emily 580 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: Van Camp, possibly being the reboot this year with the 581 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: Latin X lead. It could be cool. Inspired by Alexander 582 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: Dumas's novel The Count of Monte Cristo, which is a 583 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: fantastic novel. And we finally arrive at the thing I 584 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: teased at at the opening, one of the original cliffhangers. Okay, 585 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm so happy about this. I finally know who shot 586 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: j R. I forgot that was you. You told me 587 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: that you didn't know. I had no idea. Wait what, 588 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: and then I have to remember how young you are 589 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: in comparison to the shows. Okay, So the reason I 590 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: know about this at all is because when I was 591 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: in school, we used to do this thing, or you 592 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: would say who you shot JR? Right the finger games? Yeah, exactly, 593 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: while moving from knuckle to knuckle with each word. I 594 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: really don't know the point of it. Like I don't 595 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: remember how you won or what you learned from that, 596 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: but I remember doing it comes as a gun. Okay, 597 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: all right, that's what it's supposed to do. I don't 598 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: think that's what happened. We really didn't know. No one 599 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: knew why we were doing it. I always thought it 600 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: had something to do with JFK what. I don't know why, Okay, 601 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: but I now know. It's from an eighties television show 602 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: called Dallas and and it was this repugnant fellow named 603 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: j R. The third season finale ended with him getting 604 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: shot twice by a mysterious assailant. For eight months, people 605 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: waited and were besieged by an incredibly effective marketing campaign. 606 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: Since he was such a jerk, everyone had a motive 607 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: like anyone could have been the killer. There were t 608 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: shirts that read who shot j R? Are I shot JR? 609 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: There were contest to guess who it was. During the 610 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty U S presidential campaign, Republicans handed out buttons 611 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: that read a Democrat shot j R. Candidate Jimmy Carter 612 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: even joked that if only he knew who shot JR, 613 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: he'd have no problem financing his campaign. The actor who 614 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: played Jr. Received an offer of a one hundred thousand 615 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: pound vacation pounds in the UK monetary unit if he'd 616 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: reveal the shooter, but the actor claimed and the actors 617 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: knew all the principal actors filmed a scene where they 618 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: killed him. To keep the mystery up. You could place 619 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: bets on it, and so finally in the episode who 620 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: Done It? It It was called who On It aired in November, 621 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: revealing the culprit. It was the highest rated television show 622 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: in history, drawing an eighty three million viewers domestically and 623 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: more than three fifty million internationally. Turkish parliament even famously 624 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: ended a session early so the legislators go home and 625 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: find out who did it, while at the same time 626 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: a fundamentalist group in the same country called for the 627 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: quote elimination of Dallas anyway? Who did it? Kristin Shepherd 628 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: played by Mary Crosby Jr. Sister in law, mistress and 629 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: alleged mother of his child, so female revenge. This is 630 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: one of the first great television clifhangers. It also sometimes 631 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: gets credit for helping CNN gay momentum because they launched 632 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: that same year SNL peried it on an episode sometimes 633 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: called Who Shot cr? CR being cast member Charles Rockett, 634 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: and the episode provide cast members with skits for how 635 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: they'd kill CR. And at the end of the episode 636 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: he ad lived, I'd like to know who did it? 637 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: A line that got him fired. And there was, of 638 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: course the Simpsons parody Who Shot Mr? Burns? Apparently j 639 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: R Was shot again in the twelve sequel our continuation. 640 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I did not recover this time. Okay, 641 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: actually going? I forgot that it was revamped. Yeah, like 642 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: is it still going? I think it might be. Well, 643 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. I learned a lot, And so 644 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: that's that's a good overview of that category. But we 645 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: have a couple of more categories we wanted to touch on. 646 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: But first we have one more quick break for a 647 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: work from our sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. 648 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: So another category we wanted to talk about because something 649 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: you kind of see in some of these films the 650 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: system getting revenge against the system. So one example of 651 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: this is Zora Neil Herston's short story Sweat And which 652 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: a woman allows her drunk, abusive, cheating husband who thoughtlessly 653 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: spends all of her hard earned money um to walk 654 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: in a path of a snake that kills him, and 655 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: he had originally planned that snake for her. She passively 656 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: watches him die as the sun rises, ignoring his cries 657 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: for help. So another good movie nine to five, which 658 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,479 Speaker 1: I was thinking about after we watched First Wife's Club, 659 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: thinking maybe we should have watched it as well. I 660 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: didn't watch it not too long ago. Did Yes, I 661 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: did watch it a long time ago, and I was like, 662 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: my gosh, I don't know if this could be be made. 663 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: There's so many problematic issues to this. But nine to 664 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: five nine film about three women Lily Tomlin, Dolly Parton, 665 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: and Jane Fonda, who plot revenge against their male boss 666 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: who spreads lies about having sex with one of them 667 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, and beat one of them out for a 668 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: promotion Lily Tomlin, who she deserved it obviously, and then 669 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: also Jane Fonda comes in, who is the new work 670 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: or trying to figure out how everything is going on 671 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: what's happening there. So while they have him trapped in 672 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: a dog harness, they put in place all sorts of 673 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: feminist policy like flexible hours, childcare and equal pay. I 674 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: believe they bring back one of the receptionists that he 675 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: fires during that time. So when at the end they 676 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: release the boss, who actually takes claim for doing all 677 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: of these policies, which yeah, yeah, and so they then 678 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: he gets a promotion that actually sends him to a 679 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: completely a different place. So they kind of pushed him out, 680 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: but he gets a promotion. Yeah, but with that his 681 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: superior who figures that all out, that everything actually works 682 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: and increases predictivity. He keeps all of that in place 683 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: except for the equal pay bit. But that's kind of 684 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: the revenge portion or the justice vengeful pars portion is 685 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: they got to keep the policies in place while they 686 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: got rid of him. He still got the glory. But yeah, 687 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, nineties has to be that way, right, I 688 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: guess so. And I actually watched this film for the 689 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: first time two days ago. Umley Scott's Thelma and Louise, 690 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: written by Callie Corey and starring Susan Srandon and Gina Davis. 691 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: When this movie first debuted, it was accused of negatively 692 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: portraying men, yeah, which it really doesn't. Yeah, most of 693 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: the male characters are kind of like, oh yeah, sympathize 694 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: with them um. In twenty sixteen, this movie was named 695 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: for Preservation to the National Film Registry by the U. S. 696 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: Library of Congress for being quote culturally historically, are esthetically significant. 697 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: And It's about two best friends who go on a 698 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: weekend vy occasion together. Kind of goes a little right 699 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: after a man attempts to rape Thelma. Louise finds them 700 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: and threatens him with a gun, ultimately shooting him and 701 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: forcing the pair to flee. After discussing their options, they 702 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: decide that the authorities won't leave them um and so 703 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: they decide let's go to Mexico. It turns out Louise 704 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: was raped years earlier in Texas, and she is insistent 705 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: that they avoid going through that state. The FBI closes 706 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: in and after committing a series of crimes that they 707 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: decide to quote keep going and drive off a cliff 708 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: rather than go to jail. They can't be the system, 709 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: so they take each other's hands and drive over the 710 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: Grand Canyon. UM and I when I was watching this, 711 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: which I really enjoyed it, it made me. Movies like 712 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: that always makes me think of The Awakening, which I 713 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: had to read like three times in high school. Yeah, 714 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: where you get. You get like a taste, yeah, and 715 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: you can't go back, Like once you've taste freedom, it's 716 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, you just can't go back kind of In 717 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: a different track is First Wive Stuff Yes, which is 718 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: the movie directed by h willis based on the Olivia 719 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: Goldsmith novel about women getting revenge on their ex husbands 720 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: after the men ditched them for the younger models. You 721 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: can see our whole episode we did on it for 722 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: more about that one. I as you may have also 723 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: seen our live feed on that one. It was fun. 724 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: It was fun. Then we have another Tarantino movie which 725 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 1: came out in two thousand seven, death Proof, and I 726 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: will say was one of my favorite movies. Stub Meant Mike, 727 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: played by Kurt Russell, seems like a totally nice guy, 728 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: but in reality takes pleasure in tormenting women with his 729 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: indestructible car is told in two parts. In the first part, 730 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: step Meant Mike kills four women with his car. By 731 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: the way, the character of Jungle Julia is played by 732 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: Sydney Portier's daughter Sydney Portier Um, which the sheriff suspects 733 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: is because of a sexual nature when he kills these women, 734 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: Um The film seemingly restarts with a similar set up 735 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: three women in the film industry, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Rosario Dawson, 736 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: and Tracy Tom's and they're all followed by step meant 737 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: Mike as they pick up Zoe real life stunt woman 738 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: Zoe Bell, who's whom My Thurman stunt double in Kill 739 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: Bill and has been on several more of Tarantino's movies 740 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: after the fact as an actress and not just a 741 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: stunt person. Uh So, he convinces them to try out 742 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: a stunt car, which is a reference to all the 743 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: old school chase movies muscle muscle cars. But as she's 744 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: performing on Writing on the Hood, Mike slams into them. 745 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: A skirmish follows with the chase with Mike getting away, 746 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: but the women decided to kill him, and they do. 747 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: I think it has some of the best lines, over 748 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: the top ridiculous lines. It does also kind of become 749 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: problem and not kind of. It does become problematic as 750 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: the main driver is a black woman, um Tracy Tom's 751 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: who kind of goes over the top with the whole 752 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: expectation type of idea of being an angry, violent black woman. 753 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: So that's the problematic himself, which we can talk about 754 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: that as an issue in Tarantino and his movies, in 755 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: thinking that he has permission to elaborate on that as 756 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: a white man. But whatever. This again was produced by 757 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: Weinstein's and also just as a reminder, Death Proof was 758 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: actually a part of a double feature with Planet Terror 759 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: done by Michael Rodriguez. Rose McGowan was in both of 760 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: those movies, and so you see kind of an acclumolation 761 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: of well yeah, and I watched this as part of 762 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: leading up to this as well, and it was weird 763 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: because Kurt Russell's whole thing is Car's death throot because 764 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: as long as he's in the driver's he as long 765 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,959 Speaker 1: as his power, he can't be killed. And he first 766 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: person he kills Rose McGowan. Um, he's just like, Okay, 767 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: you know, I just need to write home. Um. And 768 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: it's hard not to see parallels, like real life parallels, 769 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: especially because she is the woman who kind of tells 770 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: them something's wrong, things are happening, something's wrong. Um. And 771 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: then I will say it took me a couple of 772 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: watches because of the first half of the movie before 773 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: I really like I was like, oh, I actually do 774 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: like this movie, but it's so rotesque that beginning part 775 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: and it's so overtly sexist. But then you have that 776 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: second half with Zoe Bell and her and her badass ray. 777 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, she is amazing. If you actually ever watch 778 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: just like snippets of her doing all these amazing, amazing stunts. 779 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: It's it's Phenomenal's just but I also appreciate the start 780 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: difference in Russell's character in the two halves, the beginning 781 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 1: until the end of what he's begging crying and crying 782 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: like a little child because he actually gets injured. I mean, 783 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: it is kind of an interesting twist. I will say 784 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: that I really appreciate how it's one of the few 785 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: revenge films for me where it just is like, you 786 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: know what, we're not really gonna try to make sense. 787 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: We're just going to lean into the fantasy aspect of this. 788 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: And I love when Zoe is fine they think she 789 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: might be hurt, she pops up, she's totally fine, and 790 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: she's like you want to kill that guy and like, okay, 791 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,879 Speaker 1: kill yeah. And they do have Rosario Dawson as being 792 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: the mama character, so they definitely have those tropes in 793 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: there as well. Yeah, and then okay, this is the 794 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: last one I watched. Um two Hard Candies, starring very 795 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: young Ellen Paige Um as a young woman who hunts pedophiles. 796 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: So it starts with kind of like a text exchange, 797 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,399 Speaker 1: like a chat room exchange, and she's she's playing all 798 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, so sweet and gets up to this 799 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: guy's place and she rufies him, tortures him. Um, it's 800 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: it's a lot, It's a lot. I do think that 801 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: one of the things about this film man, and it 802 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: is purposeful, is you have doubts about who is the 803 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: good guys just the bad guy or the good person 804 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: versus the bad person, because you have doubts about who's 805 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: telling the truth, and going back and forth and back 806 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: and forth and back and forth, and then you know, 807 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: it reveals itself slowly. I will say, many of men 808 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: have told me how awful this movie is and how 809 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: they would never watch I never want to see it 810 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: again nevere and I was like, what happens? I don't 811 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: understand why is it so bad? But that one scene 812 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: where he's on the table is what has gotten all 813 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: of them, which I find hilarious to able to point 814 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: of like, do you not see all of these awful 815 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: things that happened to women. That is literally the plot, 816 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: the beginning the cattle is and that was the most 817 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. It's not great, but 818 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: it's definitely not the worst thing that I've seen in 819 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: a movie. Yeah, it was tense. I was being on edge. 820 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: That's the last thing I watched before we game No 821 00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: Wonder you looked at me with surprise. And then there's Vengeance. Yes, 822 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: um Vengeance two thousand five Chan Park wook. This is 823 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: the third and final entry into the Vengeance trilogy, which 824 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: is a three obviously three part series trilogy, and I 825 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: follows a woman wrongly convicted of murdering a child, and 826 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: after she does her time in jail, in his release, 827 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: she finds a real killer and gets her revenge again. 828 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: This is another Korean thriller. I will say I have 829 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: not seen this one mainly because I wanted to start 830 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: with the first one, which I don't think they actually 831 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: align it anyway, but I still wanted to do it 832 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: that way. But the first one, again, these are really 833 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: internet tense movies, and I'm like, I don't know if 834 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: I can do this one right now, which a good 835 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: I cannot believe you watched all of these back to 836 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: back to back to back. I'm going home and I'm 837 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 1: like just gonna even watch How to Chain the Dragon? 838 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: Aren't you or Harry Potter. I'll do what I have 839 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: to do. Um. And then there's CBS is Why Women 840 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: Kill from creator Mark Cherry, which tracks the revenge of 841 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: three women played by Jennifer Goodwin, Lucy Lou and Kirby 842 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: how a baptiste from three different decades living in the 843 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: same house, whose husband's I think all of their husbands 844 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: cheated on them. And then Handmaid's Tale maybe maybe I 845 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: think it's like, yeah, I guess yeah, the system And 846 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: I would say, Foxy Brown, I don't. I don't want 847 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: to put too much attention to it because it's definitely 848 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,840 Speaker 1: part of the nineteen seventies era of blaxploitation films that occurred, 849 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of problematic issues. At one point, 850 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: you want to celebrate because it's a strong black woman 851 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: who gets to be the lead and who gets her vengeance, 852 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: but at the same time, the stereotype of our being 853 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,399 Speaker 1: angry as well as violent, as well as a prostitute, 854 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: all of these things kind of have this back and forth. 855 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: Pam Pam Greer though is a force, so you know, 856 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: people kind of looked up to that as well. So 857 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 1: this kind of this fine line. But it is a 858 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: tale of a girlfriend avenging the death of her cop boyfriend, 859 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: so I think it is something to know about as well. 860 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: There are so many There are so many, we can 861 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: keep going, going and going. We do want to one 862 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: more small category. Well, I guess one and a half 863 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 1: is super natural. There are supernatural kind of vengeance stories. Um, 864 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 1: so many of them are about adolescents. My theory again 865 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: that we're so afraid of female sexuality, especially in young women. Um, 866 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: Wuthering Heights could be an example of this. I saw 867 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: it and a lot of things Heathcliff Revenge on Henley 868 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: and Catherine. Um, but it's not really I mean, it's 869 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: been a long time since I've read that book. I 870 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of people included it, so I 871 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: thought I'd thrown in there. I guess I didn't think 872 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: about that one. Carrie six Brian Depalm film based on 873 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: the novel by Stephen King, classic teenage body adolescents, vengeance 874 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: horror periods. Oh my gosh. Carry uses her abilities to 875 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: get revenge on her very religious, over the top strict 876 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: mother and on the classmates who publicly make fun of 877 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: her by dumping pigs blood on her head at prom. Yeah, 878 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: causing this whole rift of things to happen because she 879 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,720 Speaker 1: has teased for being awkward and over the top strange. Yes, 880 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: and also can carry too, which I have seen I 881 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: have not seen. Well, I don't know what it's worth it. 882 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: But the craft, the craft. Um, this one's kind of tricky. 883 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: And this is another one will probably eventually do a 884 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: whole yea. But in brief New Girls, Sarah Bailey becomes 885 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: friends with rumored witches and definite outcast. Yeah, it turned 886 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: out they actually are whiches, and through a series of events, um, 887 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 1: they cast revenge spells and beauty spells, all kinds of 888 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 1: spells on people who have done them wrong or on 889 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: themselves to to make themselves prettier. Um. But of course 890 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: the spells have negative side effects, surprise, surprise, And eventually 891 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: the women for the most part, turned against each other 892 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: kind of get revenge on each other. Right, And we 893 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: will be watching that one for sure. I think we'll 894 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: remain include like hocus Pocus and which is of East Week. 895 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: I think those are definitely things that we will have 896 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: to shutter. A two thousand eight mostly Yaki oh t 897 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: I American remake of Thaime movie. In the movie Newlywed's 898 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: been and Jane moved to Tokyo, so Been played by 899 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson can pursue a career in photography. Side note, 900 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: why are all these horrible movies in Japan? We talk 901 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: about that the American remakes are always in Japan? Yeah? Why? Um? 902 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: While out driving, Jane accidentally hits a woman in the 903 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: middle of the road, but Shaker, the body disappears. Photos 904 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: start to show up with mysterious lights, spirit photography quote unquote. 905 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: Jane starts to have visions and fills the presence hanging 906 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,320 Speaker 1: over her. Turns out that Ben had photographed his friends 907 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: raping her and doing nothing to stop it, and the 908 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: ghost was hanging on Ben's shoulder, which actually also it 909 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: was because he was having an affair with her. She 910 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: wanted to stay with him, and this was his way 911 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 1: of getting her away from him. Right, So when she 912 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: hit the woman in the beginning, it was already the ghost, right. 913 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 1: And then we've discussed Jennifer's body before. This is a 914 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: two thousand nine movie directed by Karen Kusama, written by 915 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: Diablo Cody and starting Megan Fox as the titular character 916 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: who was offered up as a virden sacrifice in a 917 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: Satanic ritual. Also just watched this for the first time 918 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: and read so much about it. See, I'm really study. 919 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: You didn't tell me about that because I wanted to 920 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: watch this one with you. I remember talking to you 921 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: about this as uh, you know it's supposed to be 922 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: funny trope and that it up. Oh. I learned so 923 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: much because right now it's going through kind of a 924 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: like resurgence. Yes, and they're saying because the time is 925 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: right is before it's time. But also the marketing campaign 926 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: they tried to convince Megan Fox to like start a 927 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: porn site. They just marketed it all wrong. It's really gross. 928 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I learned a lot. But anyway, 929 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,280 Speaker 1: she wasn't a virgin Megan Fox's character, so she becomes 930 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: possessed instead permanently and goes on a killing spree killing dudes. Um. 931 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 1: It doesn't really sound like a revenge fantasy at first um, 932 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: but some have interpreted as Jennifer's body getting revenge on 933 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: those who abused her. At the sacrificing of a young 934 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 1: woman being sacrificed by minute altar is too reminiscent of 935 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein the system that allowed for it to happen um. 936 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: And also at the end, her friend gets revenge on 937 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: the band, does Adam Brody? Adam Brody because he's also 938 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: going to be in the movie we just talked about 939 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: with Kerry Mulligan. He's one of the nice guys, that's right, 940 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 1: and then he's ready or not that where he's kind 941 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: of like actually a nice guy. Oh really, I didn't 942 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: see that one, oh man. And then we're not going 943 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: to go into this one. But I was thinking about 944 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: some metaphorical revenge movies where if you're talking about like 945 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: female vengeance as seem through climate change or Mother Earth. 946 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: This I remember when I saw mother exclamation point and 947 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: everyone was like, what is it a metaphor for? And 948 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: some people thought it was his mother Earth. Yeah. Yeah, 949 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: but that's a lot of our That was a lot. 950 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,879 Speaker 1: That's a lot, that's a whole um. But that brings 951 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: us to the end of this episode. 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