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Speaker 1: you are a soulful songstress, classy and all her integrity
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Speaker 1: our atltics, y'all got we Lord, how you doing good?
Speaker 1: I have I have about to pick with you? Start
Speaker 1: off Normally we like to go all the way back
Speaker 1: to the beginning, which we're gonna do and start and
Speaker 1: this is a very flowers oriented is Valentine would tell
Speaker 1: you pod we get flowers. Really, yeah, all flowers to you.
Speaker 1: This is this is your praise moment. This is for
Speaker 1: you to talk your talk for celebration about who you are,
Speaker 1: what you are, and why you are. Before we get
Speaker 1: to that, there's lyric in one of your songs. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, O hey, were you are talking trash? At
Speaker 1: the end you say, this is not a rejection, Oh Lord,
Speaker 1: show erection. You know this this is shady, out of control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you going to? How are you gonna be
Speaker 1: out here? Triple beautiful? The oh thanks bad brown and
Speaker 1: telling a man that he cannot appreciate what God has done.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean I just felt it was
Speaker 1: it was giving lust and it wasn't giving pure love.
Speaker 1: I needed that pure love. All right? On your side.
Speaker 1: I'm on her side. Stop thinking. You think with your
Speaker 1: mind because as your mind and your soul. You got
Speaker 1: to understand, if you communicate with a woman's mind and
Speaker 1: her soul, the body will following. From the defense attorney
Speaker 1: to the prosecut I gotta go. Okay, I started off away,
Speaker 1: but I have to. I'm a fan. I gotta follow.
Speaker 1: And she hometown, So whatever you want. Oh ma, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming, Thank you for having Thank you.
Speaker 1: We we really really really appreciate you being here and here.
Speaker 1: Um we love your music. Um, thank you got somebody
Speaker 1: for you to be this nice and just a bright light.
Speaker 1: You really be throwing some shade that niggas man at it.
Speaker 1: She's she's she's nice to keep from y'all. Don't want
Speaker 1: this other y'all don't want this other work. So let
Speaker 1: me keep it. Let me keep it here for now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is pretty me. Yeah. Listen, let's start at the beginning, right,
Speaker 1: and I want to start off The moment I like
Speaker 1: to identify is when did somebody say to you or
Speaker 1: say about you that baby right there? Got it? She's special.
Speaker 1: My grandma Holly, she was like she said, I sounded
Speaker 1: like an angel. I guess I was singing in the house.
Speaker 1: I was like three, and she was probably the first supportive,
Speaker 1: um encouraging person who noticed that I had something going
Speaker 1: on in my voice. So, yeah, and you're at three,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on. You're just are you
Speaker 1: emulating something at the time? Are you like a favorite
Speaker 1: song music in your house at that at that age?
Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a musical home? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up in a musical home, but like
Speaker 1: my parents were always playing like just everything from you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jackson five to Eric Bonet, Alita Adams
Speaker 1: and Mariah Carey Whitney. So I'm always listening to these
Speaker 1: legends and watching Apollo with my other grandma. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's when we talked about that all the time,
Speaker 1: really about how parents it's important to play good music
Speaker 1: for your kids. Oh my god, it's it's extremely important.
Speaker 1: You gotta play good music for your kids because the
Speaker 1: stuff that they're friends gonna music music for your friends,
Speaker 1: I mean, for your kids so that they can influence.
Speaker 1: Never exactly, I met someone who told me she never
Speaker 1: listens to R and B or sold it all. She
Speaker 1: just only listens to to trap music, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I love trapped. But I was shocked. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She was so cool, right, nobody listen whoever you are
Speaker 1: young ladies stabbing nobody, I don't think. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I was shocked, Like I mean, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what she listened to growing up. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's a thing some people just don't listen too.
Speaker 1: We're trying to change that. We're trying to change to
Speaker 1: change it's a fight to give that um, to put
Speaker 1: the good vibration, you know what I'm saying in the
Speaker 1: mainstream for us. O, my god, talk about it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So, what was the next step
Speaker 1: from there? Was it church? Was it? Was it the choir?
Speaker 1: Was it the church? Um? Shout out to Mrs Kim,
Speaker 1: Mrs Kelly, Uh, there are these amazing twins, gorgeous and
Speaker 1: can sang down. They have this beautiful song called didn't
Speaker 1: I and Ms Kelly, she was the choir director for
Speaker 1: the youth and she gave me my first solo and
Speaker 1: I just did a lot of singing. Heritage Fellowship Church
Speaker 1: of Christ. Where's that? Where's that church? Rest in Virginia?
Speaker 1: Are they still there? They still? I think so? Ye,
Speaker 1: they're still going. I need to visit. I feel I
Speaker 1: feel like I might have been there. I've been. I've
Speaker 1: been to pretty much every church in the DMV. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was singing and playing at every church, carrying my
Speaker 1: keyboards and my aunt, my stand and a choir with
Speaker 1: my group or a sing solo like I was at
Speaker 1: every church doing. Wow. Yeah, it was a good It
Speaker 1: was a good one. What church did you go to?
Speaker 1: I went to Antioch Baptist Church in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. Okay, Patty,
Speaker 1: he's still the pastor there? Sounds yeah? Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: We were a youth movement, the youth movement exactly that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a couple of things here into this, you know.
Speaker 1: It was it was of course we were following behind
Speaker 1: John p. K. Anything the New Life did that's what
Speaker 1: we was on. But we also founded the first Christian
Speaker 1: fraternities fraternity and sorority, So you know that that that's
Speaker 1: that's where our kind of youth movement kind of grew
Speaker 1: and began those moves that do step what is it
Speaker 1: like a PG step show. I mean some of the
Speaker 1: brothers had pledged worldly fraternities before they real quick you
Speaker 1: gonna catch little boy doing they try to put him
Speaker 1: in one of the fraternities. I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: let him in the church one, but we don't judge.
Speaker 1: If you want to be part of a q A,
Speaker 1: you can't. Moving on, it's going to be good. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be think about Christian fraternity anyway. So church any
Speaker 1: singing in high school? Yes, Um, I went to Duke
Speaker 1: Ellington School the Arts for a little while. I guess
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, they let me in. I don't
Speaker 1: know why else, and I um, I was always skipping,
Speaker 1: but it was the school I like the most. I
Speaker 1: stayed there in the longest there. I was always skipping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially the last year he was cutting at the School
Speaker 1: of the Arts. Yeah, I just I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: a star and it I think like I felt kind
Speaker 1: of like no one really cared. But towards the end,
Speaker 1: like my teacher Mr. Bonds, I missed. I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying his name right, forgive me, sir, but I, um,
Speaker 1: he was very nice towards the end, like I feel
Speaker 1: like he started to appreciate it, or like finding out
Speaker 1: that I could sing, like he saw something in me
Speaker 1: in the end. But by then I was running from
Speaker 1: this X who moved on with some girl and they
Speaker 1: were always being affectionate in school and it just killed
Speaker 1: me inside. So I just I couldn't be at school
Speaker 1: to see so I would be at the museums and stuff,
Speaker 1: just skipping and riding the train by myself. So the
Speaker 1: relationship aspect of your music, this started along always sadness,
Speaker 1: always single, Yeah, always sadness, always single. Yeah, well sadness
Speaker 1: because of the single right there? Not well yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess sadness in other ways too, but like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always been at things. It is content, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's always there is this something that you consistently tap
Speaker 1: into when you're writing your records. Um, I'm always thinking
Speaker 1: about what's going on, and I feel like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always what's ever happening now, Like I go on the studio. Now, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't have much to write about at
Speaker 1: this point, well if it regards the romance. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's go to Discovery. Okay, Discovery Discovery. So you're
Speaker 1: out of high school and you're what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And when do we get to the point where you're
Speaker 1: getting this phone call and you're like, who is this again?
Speaker 1: And what do you want from me? I mean, I
Speaker 1: just got a job at public storage, and um, I
Speaker 1: was making ten dollars an hour, and yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a really good job. Like I knew this was like
Speaker 1: the highest page job I've ever had, so I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it. And um, the president of
Speaker 1: Dreamville EB he called me and wanted to fly me
Speaker 1: out to meet Cole in l A. And it was
Speaker 1: history from there basically. So we're demos floating around or
Speaker 1: is it? Like? How how is it that it's that
Speaker 1: that connection? How does that happen for you? Obviously you're
Speaker 1: from you from d C? Where you are you in
Speaker 1: d C at this part? At this point, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like deep in the middle of nowhere Maryland, But um,
Speaker 1: I'm like an hour from d C. So how how
Speaker 1: how would it a label president here about you? So
Speaker 1: oh wait, No, during this time, I wasn't in Maryland.
Speaker 1: I was in Charlotte. But um yeah, he heard about
Speaker 1: me through SoundCloud and this. Oh yeah, I was doing
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff with Dave James and d J
Speaker 1: G Humble, um eli evening a lot of people are yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people and just throwing music out there.
Speaker 1: And the guy Internet. Yeah, and this guy named omen Um,
Speaker 1: he's amazing. He put me on to Cole Well Cold
Speaker 1: like he told Cold about me. So were you at
Speaker 1: this time where you're recording before way before the phone call?
Speaker 1: Are you are you thinking to yourself, Um, one day
Speaker 1: I'm going to be rich and I'm going to be
Speaker 1: famous or are you like you never music? No? I
Speaker 1: just always just kept doing it, and I was ready
Speaker 1: to leave it all for this man. But he went
Speaker 1: to the Middle he went to the military, and so
Speaker 1: I was forced to kind of like focus on my dreams.
Speaker 1: But like I really I always want to leave this
Speaker 1: for love and start a family, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to keep doing No, you're not really know We're going
Speaker 1: to get to that, okay, we sad I don't want
Speaker 1: to give that much energy to like this. Man. Man, man,
Speaker 1: it's like, I want a family. I feel like that
Speaker 1: is that's true life, that's our true love. Like to
Speaker 1: have a family is beautiful, it seems so I want that.
Speaker 1: So for you, this is a moment in time. What
Speaker 1: the music? Wow, I guess the moment. It never stops nothing.
Speaker 1: How do you like? It's like, yes, this is great.
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for the bands I think in I
Speaker 1: don't want to skip over getting to the discovery because
Speaker 1: we're right here and I just want to address it.
Speaker 1: I think there is so much um, there's so much
Speaker 1: gold um. There's so many lessons within your gift, um,
Speaker 1: within just who you are and what you represent. And
Speaker 1: I feel like there are so many little girls who
Speaker 1: look like you try to sing like you, They try
Speaker 1: to look like you, to try to emulate your movements,
Speaker 1: to try to emulate your sound, your essence. And because
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of real talent, real singers,
Speaker 1: real things that we grew up on that inspired us.
Speaker 1: And so when someone like you comes around, and I
Speaker 1: definitely understand the matters of the heart for sure, I
Speaker 1: understand it. You know what I mean? I'm I'm married,
Speaker 1: So I've i've I've kind of figured mine out. I'm
Speaker 1: still working on but you know, I feel but it's
Speaker 1: like there's a there's the other, there's another side to
Speaker 1: that purpose that is just ongoing. As you keep saying,
Speaker 1: it just keeps going, like no matter what else I
Speaker 1: tried to do, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna play football.
Speaker 1: I'll be seeing on the field first, I'll be singing
Speaker 1: the you Can't hold Me. You know, it always grabbed
Speaker 1: me and brought me back, you know, even when I
Speaker 1: wanted to quit music, you know what I mean. I'm I'm,
Speaker 1: I tell this story all the time. I'm at Jamie's
Speaker 1: house and I'm like, I'm done. This music game isn't
Speaker 1: about music. It's about all of these other things that
Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of. And this is
Speaker 1: two thousand two, this is before social media, before all
Speaker 1: of this that, you know, And even then, I feel
Speaker 1: like that. Then I was like I'm better than him,
Speaker 1: I'm better, I'm better than her, he's I'm better. And
Speaker 1: I was like, they won't spend money on me. I
Speaker 1: got all of this, I do all of that, and
Speaker 1: they're not feeling I'm gonna just go back home and
Speaker 1: go to church. And one of the craziest moments of
Speaker 1: clarity ever in in my musical musical life was Jamie
Speaker 1: Foxx saying, you can't quit because if if you leave,
Speaker 1: then what am I gonna do? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. He's like, I
Speaker 1: look to you, I listened to you. You inspire me,
Speaker 1: so who's gonna do that? And his sister, who don't
Speaker 1: really play no games, like, yeah, you stuff. So I
Speaker 1: stayed in his house, he made He made me stay
Speaker 1: at his house, use the studio and all of that
Speaker 1: until I just figured my life out. But I say
Speaker 1: all that to bring that back around is that I
Speaker 1: didn't know who. I didn't know what my true purpose was,
Speaker 1: because the beauty of what you just said is you
Speaker 1: weren't looking for money or fame. There came a point
Speaker 1: to where I thought that that was the validation and
Speaker 1: I lost sight of what my true purpose was. And
Speaker 1: I'm meant to give and inspire. I'm here to serve.
Speaker 1: And once I was able to accept that, everything else
Speaker 1: fell into place, and you have so much to give.
Speaker 1: As I listened to your music like I'm listening to you,
Speaker 1: I'm working out what you like it. That's it, it's
Speaker 1: in here. Now. You got a real gift. You absolutely
Speaker 1: have a real gift, even from a from a songwriters
Speaker 1: standpoint to how you think now talking to you and
Speaker 1: kind of seeing you in your reactions to things, things
Speaker 1: are making even more sense to me as I've listened
Speaker 1: to your music, because obviously you know we have the music,
Speaker 1: and you make your assumptions off of whatever from the music.
Speaker 1: But then you actually meet the person, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. It all makes sense, and I think
Speaker 1: you know yourself Summer walker Um sayssor like it's very
Speaker 1: pure than you. To me as a consumer, when I
Speaker 1: listened to you, it feels very honest, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like you got a lyrical you tell her
Speaker 1: to come back and get his bow. Wow, due right awesome,
Speaker 1: But it's so visual. You go, you're gonna get it
Speaker 1: so she can sign it for she got you. You
Speaker 1: can't leave here without signing shout out to the end
Speaker 1: if you want, we're gonna sit it right up here.
Speaker 1: You talked about the dude rag like when the nick
Speaker 1: got come pick up all this ship, Like don't forget
Speaker 1: that too. Okay, shout out to Lemmens because he helped
Speaker 1: me with that line. I think he was joking at first,
Speaker 1: but I was like, nah, we need to keep that, Like,
Speaker 1: I love it. That's what songwriting is about. Baby Face
Speaker 1: told me that years ago, you have to have something
Speaker 1: that they remember that sticks out. Yeah, out of all
Speaker 1: the things, that's the thing I bring up that I
Speaker 1: just love people. Uh, I don't know. Having people being
Speaker 1: able to relate is like awesome, like fun with that,
Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, you're extremely relatable. Thanks. Alright, So
Speaker 1: phone call, you get the phone call. We need we
Speaker 1: need you to fly out here and see one of
Speaker 1: the coldest You fly here and see cold Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is going through your mind? Absolutely not, Absolutely I do that.
Speaker 1: Hell no, I just got this job. I can't lose this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't lose this job. I hate flying. Um No,
Speaker 1: I'm terrified. And and I knew, like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: really a problem, this is my life could change. But
Speaker 1: I was literally sitting there like telling myself no, and
Speaker 1: I but I got drunk and I did it. I
Speaker 1: got so drunk and I just never stopped alcohol. Alcohol
Speaker 1: on the alcohol. There was no actual person who was
Speaker 1: the battery, like girl, you tripping it was the juice.
Speaker 1: I believe he kind of calmly was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just come tomorrow. Like it was so like
Speaker 1: literally got the call and like, yeah, like literally tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Like I think that's what it was. Um it was
Speaker 1: insanely fast, and um I really had no time to
Speaker 1: even think about it or to really discover myself. But
Speaker 1: I definitely was like I don't think I can. I
Speaker 1: just got this job. But he was he wasn't really
Speaker 1: trying to hear it, like you know, like he saw
Speaker 1: the future he did. Yeah, I didn't know what the hell.
Speaker 1: I'm all. I feel like i'm music or in that way,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the most present in my life, like
Speaker 1: I never think about what I could be, I guess
Speaker 1: and this ship, I'm just very present. But I'm so
Speaker 1: not that way in other aspects of my life, like
Speaker 1: I e like my anxiety and anxious nature, but like um,
Speaker 1: with music, I never I'm never really thinking of like
Speaker 1: or what I could be, or like how big I
Speaker 1: could get or something. Of course it'd be nice to
Speaker 1: have that, but I'm not thinking about it like as
Speaker 1: I'm Yeah, no, like where every day I'm not thinking
Speaker 1: I would like more money. But I played a lottery
Speaker 1: every week every No, that's right that they will, they will.
Speaker 1: They get my awesome. I've been playing since the DMV.
Speaker 1: Have you ever won big? Never? Damn, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Does this? Does Ja Cole? Does the name Ja Cole?
Speaker 1: When you hear this, when you get there and you're
Speaker 1: standing there, it's like they go, J Coole right there
Speaker 1: and I'm right here? Does it? It doesn't like your
Speaker 1: mind doesn't of course. I was like, oh my god, excited,
Speaker 1: like it's J Cole in real life. Um. I immediately
Speaker 1: we get to work. I think we started doing a
Speaker 1: song to some beat um that was being made and
Speaker 1: it was cool and never saw a light of the day,
Speaker 1: thank god. But this other song I did stop uck
Speaker 1: and um it was the song called FaceTime on my
Speaker 1: first album, and it was crazy. How like that first
Speaker 1: meeting we made a really incredible song. Organic? Yeah, very organic.
Speaker 1: You're just writing a demo for someone? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Yes I was, Actually I was. It was for Rihanna.
Speaker 1: I forgot. Yeah. I think we were in there right,
Speaker 1: we were writing for Rihanna. But um, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think she I don't know if she ever even
Speaker 1: heard it, but um, yeah, FaceTime, Yeah it did. This
Speaker 1: is how it goes. Like a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: people in our industry, they don't take those chances when
Speaker 1: someone says I need you to come and help someone
Speaker 1: else's career and you know, further their career. A lot
Speaker 1: of time, especially artists that are writers, like I might
Speaker 1: give away my biggest record are I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We I want to say that because
Speaker 1: we are all we're all songwriters. We fall in love
Speaker 1: with the music and sometimes you'll leave the studio and
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, I probably could have kept that one.
Speaker 1: You know, you have those moments, especially when you're strictly
Speaker 1: a songwriter. You know, Like I've had moments where I
Speaker 1: was strictly that's just what I was. I was a
Speaker 1: hired gun called j to write some songs, and I
Speaker 1: definitely had some moments where I'm riding home and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope that nigger don't sing this the way. Maybe
Speaker 1: I keep it. You just have those moments, man I
Speaker 1: wrote that about such and such. Yeah, but it makes
Speaker 1: it makes those opportunities where you were Now you can
Speaker 1: create a fun people to understand that. Just take the opportunity.
Speaker 1: You have a full career off going to l a flying,
Speaker 1: don't like flying to write for another artist. This song
Speaker 1: ends up on your album. Yeah, it's a great song.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for what I mean. So it's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's just how this ship works. If you take
Speaker 1: those opportunities. You have to learn that. Wow. Really I
Speaker 1: was taking to the Davante approach, this publishing companies for
Speaker 1: his damn self publishing, and all my music was for me,
Speaker 1: really for me. No one's going to sing it like me.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's me, it's mine. Yeah, that's but that's kind
Speaker 1: of true though it should always Wow broke right then
Speaker 1: I got sat on the bench. So when I got bitch,
Speaker 1: you know, no money. And so Jamie Foxx was the
Speaker 1: first person to start stealing on my song. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I need that. When I said I was, it
Speaker 1: was damn kind of his. It was kind of his.
Speaker 1: I was forced into what I was, sitting on the bench.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't put me out. I would put my music out. Um,
Speaker 1: Jamie was giving me an opportunity to find my way back,
Speaker 1: just writing, producing in his space, running to Damon Thomas
Speaker 1: hanging out with Tyrese with how you're gonna act like that?
Speaker 1: It's going crazy and Damon Thomas, you know it gives
Speaker 1: me to Hollywood. I'm like that sound crazy like this
Speaker 1: you wrote that. So I'm just and they're like you
Speaker 1: should come, should come work with us? Wow, Like I
Speaker 1: don't like giving away my songs, my sauceman down to
Speaker 1: my last go up to underdogs, meet this guy, um
Speaker 1: and first records we do are oh for Marion um
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to First of all, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: that album. Obsessed, went crazy, insane. That is my favorite.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like literally ran that album into the ground,
Speaker 1: Like I love the whole album especially I'm trying to Yes,
Speaker 1: I love this is super full circle. Were you a
Speaker 1: part of I'm trying to background? He sings the backgrounds
Speaker 1: and I sing the backgrounds. I'm fan girl, y'all are amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like that that was literally you could
Speaker 1: tell with that project UM like group like people like
Speaker 1: people came together. That was a gorgeous, soulful cohesive. Was
Speaker 1: the weekend. It's a great moment. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: a star weekend. What it was just happening in a weekend.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll give you a quick story. We'll get a
Speaker 1: quick story. No, no, So All Star Weekend in l A.
Speaker 1: Maybe two thousand three three one of those. I'm sure
Speaker 1: somebody in the comments so be like it was two okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you google it. But somewhere around that time, and they
Speaker 1: had the Grammys and All Star Weekend in l A
Speaker 1: that same weekend, and Um, the Underdogs was a collective.
Speaker 1: It was we were like transformers. Literally it was five
Speaker 1: to ten, I would say anywhere between that five to ten,
Speaker 1: like really established songwriters producers who all came together and
Speaker 1: we formed like Votron, and we just wrote songs and
Speaker 1: produced songs for people, and we ended up everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of when the l a, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: out thing that we can and it ended up being
Speaker 1: tanked myself, Eric Dawkins and Antonio Dickens, Dixon Dixon, Um,
Speaker 1: Antonio Dixon, and we were like, we got records. Let's
Speaker 1: just because oh was waiting in the lobby. See this
Speaker 1: is a different I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a little context of how the music business used
Speaker 1: to be. It's a little different now. But for the underdogs.
Speaker 1: We had had so much success as writers and producers
Speaker 1: that they would labels would literally just send their artists
Speaker 1: there and have them wait in the lobby and be paying.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wait, why yes, because they were waiting to
Speaker 1: get their turn in the studio. I can name the
Speaker 1: biggest of the biggest artists who I will not who
Speaker 1: said in that lobby for hours, and we used to
Speaker 1: figure out ways to entertain them. What j would do
Speaker 1: is pull out the dice, oh and take these artists money.
Speaker 1: These artists were the girls were not there. Marion had
Speaker 1: just done a weekend two k's two K shows by
Speaker 1: himself because he was a solo artist, and they got
Speaker 1: a honey with him. Had to take it. Um no.
Speaker 1: I took that, and I told him before we start,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, don't do this. You don't know him.
Speaker 1: You don't know him like I know him. You're not
Speaker 1: from this place. He had that. Oh my god, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: But you know they would have that. They would have
Speaker 1: been waiting. It might be four or five artists. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: all paying a studio right day? You I mean, I
Speaker 1: turned it into that. But they were waiting to get
Speaker 1: in these rooms and get sessions going and we just
Speaker 1: took a liking to Oh. Oh, it's just I don't
Speaker 1: know have you met him yet. I feel like he
Speaker 1: is a great guy. We talked once in online. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was a great guy, amazing spirit. And one day
Speaker 1: this food driving on the freeway comes up with oh
Speaker 1: what literally he's driving escort y. Yeah, that's amazing, the
Speaker 1: windows down like this want this? Okay, alright, But that
Speaker 1: was my last because I looked at Oh and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, he's trying to cross over, very tough space,
Speaker 1: to cross over from a boy to a man. Y'all
Speaker 1: did the hardest thing. And I said, you need a
Speaker 1: song called Oh my God. That song was hot. He is.
Speaker 1: It's vain, I said, but it's a response. How do
Speaker 1: we get every a column response? We need everybody to
Speaker 1: know your name and know the effect that you have
Speaker 1: on women. It has to be completely associated with your name.
Speaker 1: That's the last track I actually produced on the NPC
Speaker 1: before I switched off the computer and logic all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But that was the last one, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I got one. But to me, it was nothing vain
Speaker 1: about that song. He still adamantly was trying to please her, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But think about this though, like you want, Like Jenie,
Speaker 1: I used to do it all the time. He used
Speaker 1: to always put g in everything. He still always trying
Speaker 1: to find a way to throw a G in. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Whatever song he was singing, right,
Speaker 1: so you know you sing that about me and so oh.
Speaker 1: I think we were consciously trying to make sure that
Speaker 1: you know his name because he was coming from a
Speaker 1: group that separate him unless he is oh than the loco. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's always oh sing oh and Oh, it's gonna give
Speaker 1: it to you. You know what I'm saying. He might
Speaker 1: have had like he was doing something turned into he
Speaker 1: was spinning with it. That's that's took it too far.
Speaker 1: When you come from a dancing world, when you come
Speaker 1: from a dancing the world like myself, Like when you dance.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You try you try to
Speaker 1: try to make this guy dancer. Now he's a dancer.
Speaker 1: This is the thing I danced in my first video,
Speaker 1: Monster Dances. You know what I'm saying. But it seems
Speaker 1: like it's a correlation between me dancing and the song
Speaker 1: is not working. Why I stopping That's the only reason
Speaker 1: I stopped dancing. But I can dance start again. I
Speaker 1: want to see, I do. I do want to see.
Speaker 1: It's not going to do this to do this for
Speaker 1: your flavors, you know, but I didn't think you'd really
Speaker 1: do it. Have you written any records for anyone else? Never?
Speaker 1: I did a session, um with someone really amazing. I
Speaker 1: won't say her name because I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: weird to say I don't. I don't know if it would,
Speaker 1: but I did a session with her, and um, yeah
Speaker 1: that was cool. That was really cool. It was my
Speaker 1: first time. I think that was my first time outside
Speaker 1: of this song I thought was for Rihanna. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I think sure, Yeah, I think you should write for
Speaker 1: more people. I don't know. No, you're not ready to
Speaker 1: get away. I'm not when it's not even that I
Speaker 1: take him like I would love. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I have, I've lost I think my passion for writing. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what else to say at this point.
Speaker 1: I am I gonna talk about I think that's when
Speaker 1: writing for other people becomes becomes special, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, let me tell me your story, story down
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, give me, let's let's just hang
Speaker 1: out for a day. Let's hit the moll, let's go
Speaker 1: grab some food, and let's just talk and chop and build.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm in a I'm in a session
Speaker 1: with UH with Kate Michelle and my dog, right and
Speaker 1: so we're in the session and we you know, we
Speaker 1: we got it in and we just we just get
Speaker 1: to talking trash like Cay Michelle just you know, she's prediculous.
Speaker 1: So we just we just go at it. But I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: I said, I saw you another online other day, just
Speaker 1: talk you. I don't know why you be online talking crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm telling her when I was doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: And She's like this, na funk that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like he had the write one. I was
Speaker 1: the right one that motherucker tried to write one. I said, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: you've got yeah, bla blast on Twitter and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: blast back. I said, yeah, yeah yeah. And that became
Speaker 1: like that was exciting game. It's like a game, like
Speaker 1: a puzzle piece. All this is beautiful. It's psychology too,
Speaker 1: it's and and it's getting it out. The worst things
Speaker 1: you can do is just had it breathing inside of
Speaker 1: you and you just never like, let me, let keeping
Speaker 1: the gift to yourself, keep the gift to you. I'll
Speaker 1: stop the world, stop thinking about going to school for psychology,
Speaker 1: and this could be a way to well, I mean
Speaker 1: music for me, it's completely therapeutic. Yeah, maybe you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like my my my wife is always
Speaker 1: looking for certain emotions out of me, are certain responses
Speaker 1: out of me, um, and they're not available. Because I
Speaker 1: put it all in my music. I'm able to meet
Speaker 1: her at a at a better place because I just,
Speaker 1: I just I do all the sparring and all the screaming,
Speaker 1: and you know all that I put that in my music.
Speaker 1: So therefore, when I find me get to talk to her,
Speaker 1: it's I'm in this place. That's good. Let her. But
Speaker 1: I think I think as he's saying, I think you
Speaker 1: have a lot to offer in that space, which is
Speaker 1: an awesome space. You know what I mean to um,
Speaker 1: to further the legacy of who you are, because I well,
Speaker 1: I know this is no excuse for me and comparison
Speaker 1: to you and you and so many other legends. I've
Speaker 1: been writing like all my life, I've wrote this mixtape.
Speaker 1: There was a mixtape I did way back in the
Speaker 1: day called five Finger Discount. Then there was Areography, and
Speaker 1: then there was Shad but Her Baby, and these were
Speaker 1: all the things that I wrote myself. And then by
Speaker 1: the time Shape Butter Baby happened, I feel like I
Speaker 1: was just after after that, I was just burnt the
Speaker 1: funk out, like thin and you gotta plaque off that record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's cues. Yeah, this this same music that's just living somewhere.
Speaker 1: And then I slip everyone under a bush music is
Speaker 1: living worldwide, millions of people mothers. What goes in what
Speaker 1: goes into the thinking when you're writing a record like
Speaker 1: Shape by the Baby for you, like, what was what
Speaker 1: were your thoughts with that record? I was literally my
Speaker 1: friend Elite. He's amazing, an amazing person, amazing producer, and
Speaker 1: we're always kind of like playing in the studio. We're
Speaker 1: not it doesn't feel like work. So I think I
Speaker 1: was playing Sims, either playing Sims probably on the side.
Speaker 1: Probably SIMS was around since three computer game and uh
Speaker 1: sour Patches, probably somewhere around eating sour batches. And I
Speaker 1: think I literally was doing my hair on the couch
Speaker 1: with Shade Butter Like I was literally doing my hair,
Speaker 1: um and it just happened. And then my friend or manager,
Speaker 1: Maddie Um for many years or many years back, like
Speaker 1: he would just jokingly call me like a shade butter
Speaker 1: baby before I would get on stage. And so I
Speaker 1: feel like all of it kind of like matched in
Speaker 1: that studio moment, like that, were you really leaving shade
Speaker 1: butter on niggas on purpose? Not on purpose? Not on purpose?
Speaker 1: But I mean it's just like, yeah, literally right here,
Speaker 1: she even wrote a song. I've never thought about this,
Speaker 1: but this is how I mean when we really pillows
Speaker 1: are out there, I mean purpose yeah, damn, I've never
Speaker 1: thought about it, but I yeah, I destroyed so many
Speaker 1: pillows just naturally, naturally because of the oils in my hair.
Speaker 1: You know, there's all kinds of oils in there, is
Speaker 1: castor oil, there's olive oil, shave butter sometimes and yeah,
Speaker 1: stroied a lot of pillows, yeah, but not not noters
Speaker 1: need it bad. I need it bad. But it's not
Speaker 1: always a romantic thing. It's just you, yeah, the pillow
Speaker 1: cases as though, because it's like all these oils and
Speaker 1: sens it's like you get the reminisce when you know, damn, yeah, yourself, man,
Speaker 1: She won't call me back. You wat that pillow brother,
Speaker 1: even if she won't call you, but wash it out,
Speaker 1: you're not coming back. Just watch it out, get over.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just never thought of that. Never. That's
Speaker 1: what the music does. What the music does, it travels,
Speaker 1: It travels all of those songs and yours. Like I
Speaker 1: said earlier, your songs are so vivid. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a that that is a talent in itself. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Like we appreciate the songwriter, thank you. The vocal is
Speaker 1: one thing. Yes, you're in a great vocal. Thank you songwriter,
Speaker 1: because that's that's the thought process that is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I say it this way, it could hit you
Speaker 1: know a little bit, But if I said this way,
Speaker 1: it could sting. Yeah, I think I'm a wrecked person.
Speaker 1: So I've really sing like how I talk and how
Speaker 1: I communicate with people. And sometimes that can be too much.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's you know, just right. But yeah, if yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. But it should be unapologetic for it
Speaker 1: should be exactly how you feel it and how you
Speaker 1: see it. Because as the art is consumed by consumers,
Speaker 1: you aren't necessarily creating for them. You are just you
Speaker 1: are creating first for you, like you're just singing it,
Speaker 1: writing it, producing it the way you feel it. They're
Speaker 1: not in the room when you're doing that. And you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's not a gallery of people
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, change the lyrics or you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm singing it better. No, that's all you.
Speaker 1: It's a painter on his east. So just all this
Speaker 1: color will work right. Maybe maybe we'll throw some trees
Speaker 1: right here, because some throw some trees in here and
Speaker 1: you guys see and you can go fishing right in
Speaker 1: here this bottom. But they're not involved in that process,
Speaker 1: and so it should be exactly how you feel it.
Speaker 1: And they have to decide if the art it's for
Speaker 1: them or not. Yes, they do, Butax, you know what
Speaker 1: it feels like. I don't think you know. I don't
Speaker 1: think you know how big you are. I don't think
Speaker 1: you know how influential you. I don't think you know
Speaker 1: you know. I think you have a self worth for sure,
Speaker 1: Yes you have that. I don't think you have the
Speaker 1: full perspective maybe aloof for sure of like what you are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, it's I don't know what that like
Speaker 1: when you were talking about the beautiful girl that like
Speaker 1: that looked like me, that are inspired when they're listening
Speaker 1: to this music. When I was saying those things, I
Speaker 1: literally wasn't thinking about that part. That's literally my favorite part,
Speaker 1: Like seeing young people are like just people, just black
Speaker 1: women that funk with what I'm doing, women that funk
Speaker 1: with what I'm doing, and it's it's everything to me,
Speaker 1: And that is the exciting part seeing like, um, when
Speaker 1: I got my transcripts at Theodore Roosevelt UM, the school
Speaker 1: that I graduated from because duke go intown and graduate
Speaker 1: from there, I got I got, yeah, I got kicked out.
Speaker 1: Do you meet them in football? My god, get me
Speaker 1: in trouble? Wow? That's amazing. Congrats though, great way to
Speaker 1: say whatever, because I'm waiting here what you're talking about football?
Speaker 1: Our Bundy ship. But it was it was great though.
Speaker 1: I went there to pick up my transcripts and this
Speaker 1: I um, this beautiful girl, she had locked. She was
Speaker 1: gorgeous and she was like are you. I was like hi,
Speaker 1: and we had this beautiful moment and it was just
Speaker 1: it was unmatched. Like that was like I was surprised
Speaker 1: at someone so young, like you're in high school and
Speaker 1: you you funk with me like I was shocked. I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked a lot. Yeah, I'll be shocked, and I
Speaker 1: think and I've been taking um this, it's been weird.
Speaker 1: It's been like ten days over ten days, i haven't
Speaker 1: been on the internet, and I've been kind of like
Speaker 1: forced to be outside, but um more and more like
Speaker 1: I'm like more outside but um, yeah, I realized that
Speaker 1: is a thing that needs to happen. I've been sheltered,
Speaker 1: sheltered in the internet world and kind of like, um,
Speaker 1: a slave to it, like really just addicted to it.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I'm finally waking up and
Speaker 1: experiencing real life and real human connections. You know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing like really getting to know people for who they
Speaker 1: really are and they really are and they really are
Speaker 1: and they really are, they really are. When we met people,
Speaker 1: like we actually met people. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You met, you sat down, your dance, you had a drink,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You come over the house,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and try to avoid their
Speaker 1: mom and when you're running in like it was real interaction.
Speaker 1: So getting comfortable with a person was way different. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to you. You didn't have to
Speaker 1: weed out a whole budget, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's something if you knew somebody on the block
Speaker 1: they had to. They had the four one one on them.
Speaker 1: I need that, you know what I'm saying, d M
Speaker 1: about them, and I'm done with that. You've done to
Speaker 1: connect and be comfortable and have those maybe intimate moments,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, without having this this this
Speaker 1: this extra thought about motive and all of these other
Speaker 1: things that go along with it, so you can meet
Speaker 1: a shady person in real life. Sure, it's just literally
Speaker 1: people are cat fishing in different ways, like they're sometimes
Speaker 1: they're literally not who they say, but literally I've seen
Speaker 1: people have completely different persona online and I would ask
Speaker 1: the person like, why don't you show the world who
Speaker 1: you really are? And you know, for whatever reason, they
Speaker 1: refuse to people. So many people are living a lie,
Speaker 1: And it's just I'd rather meet people in real life
Speaker 1: as they are. And I feel like the only way
Speaker 1: you can really do that is take your time, like
Speaker 1: literally get to know people like I can't. I just
Speaker 1: can't afford anymore shady experiences. So I've really I'm guarded.
Speaker 1: I'm guarded a bit more. Arts tell you so trifling.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy about that. It wasn't. I was
Speaker 1: so mesmerized, but you know, in hindsight, it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was not It was not all of that. But I
Speaker 1: was so the moment. It was the moment. It was
Speaker 1: a moment. It was a moment, it was a good time.
Speaker 1: And then after that it wasn't that great. I was
Speaker 1: not great. That's how it normally is, though, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: normally you were like, what was that? Yeah? What the
Speaker 1: fun was that? I really really Yeah, I romanticized, but
Speaker 1: it's always hard when you're in it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, to to consider outside of it, like you
Speaker 1: just don't. You're just in it and you're going along
Speaker 1: for the ride. So in your mind you're going to
Speaker 1: process it was because you wanted. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Damn. Yeah, And I'm realizing it's it's clear, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all of it. It's I'm falling. I'm mesmerized by
Speaker 1: all of it. How fine the person is, you know,
Speaker 1: their soul, their energy, like all of these things, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're a lover. Yeah, I can tell you're a
Speaker 1: hopeless romantic cure. I'm tired. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: I don't think you're even don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: be able to change it. I think you can fight
Speaker 1: it as long as you want, but you are. I'm changing.
Speaker 1: I'm changing for the better. You're not going to do
Speaker 1: But why Okay, here's that question though, why is it?
Speaker 1: Why is it better to not be that? Why not
Speaker 1: hopeless romance? Because it's literally it's it's toxic, it's you're
Speaker 1: just so hopeful, it's too much hope, too much bright eyed, naive,
Speaker 1: and it's it's said, it's so damn I love Disney,
Speaker 1: but so damn Disney's I'm tired of being this little Cinderella.
Speaker 1: You can be, I don't want to be together. I
Speaker 1: think I think that na she wasn't given it nobody.
Speaker 1: I think that you can be strong and still be
Speaker 1: if she was. I'm trying to get out of the
Speaker 1: Cinderella probably the other day of having fun and that's beautiful,
Speaker 1: and that's beautiful. You can still be strong, trying to
Speaker 1: give and hopeful. Yes, I mean hopeless, hopeless. You can hope, well,
Speaker 1: we can say hopeless romantic, but you can still be
Speaker 1: strong and hopeful at the same time. You can because
Speaker 1: because I think that I'm a glass is half full
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Anybody that knows me will tell you that,
Speaker 1: wow I am. I am searching for the light in
Speaker 1: the dark situation, and no matter how small or dim
Speaker 1: that light is, I'm going to rest on that light.
Speaker 1: That's what I was supposed to get out of this,
Speaker 1: and that's what I move on with. And so it
Speaker 1: keeps me from one area. I'm so positive. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be anymore like that. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be positive the outlook, and it hasn't served me. I
Speaker 1: feel like if I approach a relationship not attached to
Speaker 1: any outcome, I think I'd be better off. I'm so
Speaker 1: it's bad for an anxious person. Listen, I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I would say, make the audit and whatever
Speaker 1: you feel like the adjustments need to be, you make
Speaker 1: them and see how that works. But I think ultimately
Speaker 1: your true self and being your true self, it's what's
Speaker 1: going to pay off in the end. Now, somebody's going
Speaker 1: to appreciate that a sweet, little freaking something, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: might might be the little guy that you pay attention
Speaker 1: at doing a little. Guys might treat you right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I got, sisters. I like him, he like you
Speaker 1: so much, he's so nice to you. I've given I've
Speaker 1: given that though anyway, I've been open. I think I've
Speaker 1: been too open, and now it's time to like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's enough of that, like I've been too to like,
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's I've been so lenient, even
Speaker 1: with my standards, ridiculously so and um but now it's
Speaker 1: like hell Na, like there's a there's a list now,
Speaker 1: like and I'm wavering you mad ag, you're checking red flags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they've got some cameras trying to catch
Speaker 1: you somewhere with somebody. So you know, nobody's thinking. Nobody's
Speaker 1: thinking about you. Look at Ann and uh no, no,
Speaker 1: the Dwarf number eighth. This is this is on topic.
Speaker 1: They're they're all Disney, They're all Disney. All right. Um, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a different time. But as we talk about times,
Speaker 1: as we get into times, and you are timeless, thank you,
Speaker 1: you are too. We wanna thank you. We want to
Speaker 1: get some information from you about your time here, okay,
Speaker 1: on this planet and the music that you've heard, and
Speaker 1: how resonates with you? Okay, what are your top five
Speaker 1: R and B artists? Male or female? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: What the fun? Yes? But do you hear? I feel
Speaker 1: no pressure. No, it's you, it's yours. Just I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do five. No, I'm not gonna do five.
Speaker 1: Just we're gonna we're gonna lock the doors. Were ready
Speaker 1: to church when it's it's funny. I can't decide. I
Speaker 1: can't decide. I don't. I'm indecisive. When's your birthday? March
Speaker 1: on the aries? Okay, when's your birthday? Capricorn? Capricorn? You
Speaker 1: run the whole thing, whole thing. I don't know how that?
Speaker 1: No idea to five? July night? July night? Oh a cancer?
Speaker 1: Oh and I like us, like us? Top five? My
Speaker 1: brother is a Capricorn. Um top five? Just all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just all right. Mariah carry Um, Mini, Riperton,
Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin, why not, Um, Whitney, Houston, Fitzgerald. I can't
Speaker 1: do this though, No, no, you're not done. No, no not.
Speaker 1: That's all you get. You get five. That's a powerful five.
Speaker 1: But what about guys? You win? Females? That's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: all right, that'll be cold because I don't make music
Speaker 1: for dudes either, think about Oh my god, I should
Speaker 1: I should? No, No, we're done, yours next five this
Speaker 1: first of all, this is you. You don't have to
Speaker 1: because hes gonna tell a story he told on another podcast.
Speaker 1: That's crazy crazy. He recycling for us. I just tell
Speaker 1: my truth, and they happened. I just happened to tell
Speaker 1: them a lot. What happened? Sorry, Yeah, amazing, amazing, Top five, amazing,
Speaker 1: top five. I know you wanted to give us a dub.
Speaker 1: You probably gonna fight us later more. It's it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine, but your five is amazing. Top five R
Speaker 1: and B songs that soundtrack? What's your sound track? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, between the house to you know, making love,
Speaker 1: to put on your shape butter, to make you know
Speaker 1: what already was like love. I've never been to see
Speaker 1: it to see yeah. No, I've never made love to
Speaker 1: Joe to see Wow. Every everybody in the room said, wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I don't even know how you do. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to do that without and just
Speaker 1: like that down go crazy. Wait, I'm slow, what's that? Listen?
Speaker 1: You're top R and B songs right now, let's go
Speaker 1: all right? Um, Dion Ferris hopeless? Um, can't you see
Speaker 1: total um Jesus with Kesha? I almost messed up her name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is so hard. Why are you doing? You're almost there?
Speaker 1: I'm not almost there? Almost that? Okay, um y'all this
Speaker 1: is hard shit man? How did how Uh nobody's supposed
Speaker 1: to be here? How did you get here? Uh? Massive?
Speaker 1: These are all songs that start hearing it in my head.
Speaker 1: Oh grape Vine, Brownstone, Greg, Um, what am I on? Four?
Speaker 1: You got one more to though? Oh lord? Um, y'all,
Speaker 1: this is not unfair. This is unfair. This is evil
Speaker 1: what you're doing at M R and B. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay my last one resentment Beyonce. You gotta have a
Speaker 1: few recording Yeah, strong list. We're all girls again. It's fine.
Speaker 1: So what we're starting to get the message power, We're
Speaker 1: starting You ain't ship's starting to get the message. Know,
Speaker 1: I love Maybe we should do it together? No, I
Speaker 1: love you. You're gonna take all women. I got it.
Speaker 1: I hate Mary. Jake says Mary, let's go to our
Speaker 1: taking women, Mary, Mary, Mary, I need twenty okay Mary,
Speaker 1: Um okay, my favorite Mary song. Um that song child,
Speaker 1: he said, it's your child, And yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1: You a little more that Sorry, it gets expensive. I
Speaker 1: know you've got some bags right with you. No, it's
Speaker 1: not that everything. It's interesting. When I started singing cut
Speaker 1: you fellas would be lying on the ground if I
Speaker 1: stopped before we even get to the next thing. Though,
Speaker 1: this has to this conversation has to happen. Okay, on it? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: on it. I love Jasmine a lot. On it. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, is the female win. We wait, very aggressive,
Speaker 1: very straight to the point room record, and a lot
Speaker 1: of women don't make songs like that. So for y'all
Speaker 1: to make that record, it felt like it was hard.
Speaker 1: It was always stopped. Wait what No, it was hard
Speaker 1: getting Jasmine too to be freaky because she's she's she
Speaker 1: don't want to be she don't want to get nasty.
Speaker 1: And I said, come on, you have to. She wanted
Speaker 1: to change it a little bit. I said, no, spit
Speaker 1: on it, sit on it, and I had I had
Speaker 1: to just gently say it has to be this way
Speaker 1: like it. It has to be this way, like you know,
Speaker 1: you can't change it, you can't do this like we
Speaker 1: have a great hype. That's amazing. Women need a friend, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't know if you have a friend,
Speaker 1: but you need a friend. I wanna keep your man,
Speaker 1: talk about you a friend like her home girl. It
Speaker 1: has to be this way, yes, but it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't vile. No, it wasn't on it than a esay no,
Speaker 1: because you hear keep going yeah, yes, we don't want
Speaker 1: to drive, we don't want to dry bites, okay whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was about yeah, yeah, you're right. It was you
Speaker 1: receive You received the message from different people differently. Right.
Speaker 1: The vessel is very important in terms of the transfer
Speaker 1: of information, and so when you sang that, it felt right,
Speaker 1: thank you. It didn't feel like why is she sicking that?
Speaker 1: It felt like hallelujah, halle hallelujah. The fact that y'all
Speaker 1: was right because you can get that off sometimes on
Speaker 1: something I'm just gonna get freaky and it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be whatever it is. But to actually be singing it
Speaker 1: put vibrato. Yeah, it is a heritage fellowship. It had
Speaker 1: so much soul and spit because for me, for I mean,
Speaker 1: I think for us as a collective, like sex is
Speaker 1: not just sex right for I then talk about everybody
Speaker 1: in this room. Is what we do sexist, it's making
Speaker 1: it's spiritual. Yeah, it has to be a certain spiritual
Speaker 1: tone connected to in order to that for that to
Speaker 1: be a proper connection. If we are in exchanging souls,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this the right way. We're not intertwined, right,
Speaker 1: We're not doing it the right way. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And if you're not, only you're not doing it right.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Jasmine Sellivan that amazing, amazing record things
Speaker 1: you know, some of your system off that. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I love doing it. I love it so
Speaker 1: much from my favorite songs. And shout out to Cardiac
Speaker 1: he produced it produced when it's beautiful. Wow, damn you're connected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make some sexy songs, Tank and you sound it's
Speaker 1: church sex. Yes, it really is sex. The church's church
Speaker 1: section church sex for sure. Sex for sure. It's it's
Speaker 1: sneaking in, sticking in the basement or somewhere on the
Speaker 1: pews at the church. Yeah, sometimes you got to wait.
Speaker 1: You did that before. What I want to get from you.
Speaker 1: I was in the I was listen, man, who is
Speaker 1: you doing? I don't want to talk about church market
Speaker 1: the basement. You know what I'm saying. Listen, when you
Speaker 1: are in church all the time, this is where this
Speaker 1: is where you lived in church. Biggest freaks in the house.
Speaker 1: So it's my house. I'm his house. The church is
Speaker 1: the building where all the houses congregated. But okay, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, past come on listen. I remember someone took
Speaker 1: me to a church time ago, right, and I'm watching
Speaker 1: I'm watching the mannarisms of the pastor, and in my head,
Speaker 1: I don't say this out loud, but I'm going it
Speaker 1: is giving. This is what I'm feeling, right. It is
Speaker 1: because I want to say he said, I know that
Speaker 1: I may not know. I don't know Blonians. Yeah, and um,
Speaker 1: we're building an R and B votron. Okay, so we
Speaker 1: need to know who you're getting the vocals from, who
Speaker 1: you're getting the performance style from, who you're getting the
Speaker 1: styling from, and who you're getting the passion from the
Speaker 1: heart of the artist. So let's start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: The voice. Who you getting the vocals from to build
Speaker 1: your R and B artist? Oh, I'm creating from scratch,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, vocal who's folk? Easy bank, Who's focal.
Speaker 1: Maybe Etta James, maybe so stirring. I want that growl,
Speaker 1: so stirring that Rice. Rice has been thrown on sha Yeah,
Speaker 1: she like a growling singing like Fantasia, Oh my gosh, anointed,
Speaker 1: like chilling, American's idol, American idol. You talk about crying,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, for no reason. She just nerves everything.
Speaker 1: She was the best singers ever, She's everything. Okay, who
Speaker 1: are you getting the performance style from? Well? One day,
Speaker 1: I would like to really get comfortable. I always imagine
Speaker 1: myself or sorry, the person this is a person is
Speaker 1: the person that we're creating. Okay, it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with me then, all right, so um prince, Yeah
Speaker 1: you just see the perfect stand. Yeah yeah, always, I
Speaker 1: feel like he's just all He's commands that stage such
Speaker 1: a start, he commends in every facet and I don't
Speaker 1: even I don't even know what this's on purpose. I
Speaker 1: just think he just did whatever the funk came to
Speaker 1: his mind. This is how I feel. There should be
Speaker 1: no back to these chains and did it? Man? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: what did they call chap? Chaps? Man? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sit on this horse, asshole Nick
Speaker 1: did he do that? I know that Furst was sticking
Speaker 1: the ship out of the he was sitting on a
Speaker 1: horse naked prints. Here we go. Who are you getting
Speaker 1: the styling from styling? Um? Do you want your artists
Speaker 1: to look like wow? Oh, look like or dressed like
Speaker 1: that ship? I dressed like like you know, well the style.
Speaker 1: I really like Kyle, Rihanna and Kylie dress. I think
Speaker 1: they're Kylie Jenner and Rihanna. I think they're some of
Speaker 1: the fliest women ever. I don't know or to me,
Speaker 1: I just fun with their stuff. I want to dress
Speaker 1: like that. It never really works out that way, but
Speaker 1: I want what I want to But how I wanted
Speaker 1: to look. I guess she's a girl. Um, I want
Speaker 1: her to look like um me, I guess okay, maybe
Speaker 1: that's okay now sorry me with like forcey hair, that
Speaker 1: would be cool, Yes, beautiful kinky afro hair. Who are
Speaker 1: you getting the passion from the heart of this artist? Passion?
Speaker 1: What do you mean in terms of delivery? Delivery? How
Speaker 1: you feel it? Phil? Who makes me feel? Which one
Speaker 1: of all the artists you've named? Who are you going
Speaker 1: to take the emotion from fantasia? Yeah? Because like us
Speaker 1: oh my god, I wish everybody, yes, that woman is annointed.
Speaker 1: She's a preacher saying, and I purposely I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: out and watch her performer. I couldn't. I couldn't take
Speaker 1: that every night. I couldn't. I couldn't dedicate my life
Speaker 1: to the Lord I do. When I'm on stage with Jasmine,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a fan, so I'm so mesmerized. I damn
Speaker 1: never forget what the fun I'm here. I'm chills. I've
Speaker 1: never felt that was someone before on stage. Literally, she
Speaker 1: gives me so much chills just being that close to
Speaker 1: her and hearing her. It's crazy monsters. People with that
Speaker 1: kind of vocal will definitely derail any intentions that you
Speaker 1: went out through. It happened to me with oh my God,
Speaker 1: oh my god. It was supposed to be a duet.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite an it was Melana Adams. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't that I didn't know what to do. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. Yeah, I couldn't do anything. I was
Speaker 1: standing there like, yeah, I'm gonna change my life. Like
Speaker 1: the building, the entire built that was wild when I
Speaker 1: experienced this is online if the entire when I say
Speaker 1: building was shaking. Yeah, she's everything. It's like it's like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, not even close. It's like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need I need this, I need this from my soul. Um.
Speaker 1: We got we got one more thing for you women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got. We gotta a little part of the show.
Speaker 1: It's a it's ain't saying on that. Oh my lord,
Speaker 1: what the hell the story? What the is this? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. Funnier fucked up are funny
Speaker 1: and funny and fucked up either one. Just a story
Speaker 1: and it's just you just don't include no that sames
Speaker 1: in it. Just of your travels, of my travels, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. When you were just like when
Speaker 1: you you know, you literally was just saying like yo,
Speaker 1: that was wow, this ship. I can't believe this ship.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, of my travels, y'all. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it could be before the industry, could be in
Speaker 1: the industry, could be whatever. But it's just you know,
Speaker 1: a story that you just don't you don't put you know,
Speaker 1: you put nobody else name in it, say no names,
Speaker 1: look at you and while you're telling the story, but
Speaker 1: tell that story about me. You ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's bad. I shouldn't tell this. Okay, so bad,
Speaker 1: it's good. Oh it's not good. I can't even tell
Speaker 1: you the whole thing. I just can't say no names,
Speaker 1: just say you know names. It's this guy. He says
Speaker 1: something so mean to me at a festival once, with
Speaker 1: a smile on his face, and I was like, did
Speaker 1: you really just say that? And he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just said that. Can't even tell you what he said,
Speaker 1: because it was the worst thing anyone's ever said to me,
Speaker 1: one of the worst things. And I was I walked
Speaker 1: away and I was like, I can't say it. I'm
Speaker 1: embarrassed because it's it's so bad, it's terrible. It was
Speaker 1: so mean and it wasn't true, it was it was
Speaker 1: just it was so sad. Um was there, right? Um?
Speaker 1: So I leave and I told my friend, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight him. She was like, she was like no,
Speaker 1: and she would not let me out the door. I've
Speaker 1: superhuman strength, pushed her out the way, went out the
Speaker 1: stairs to find him, didn't see him, and went outside
Speaker 1: to find him. Didn't see him. Then I catch him
Speaker 1: in the hallway and three piece of yeah, and his
Speaker 1: friend was so shocked. He he was about to square
Speaker 1: up right, he was work by girls. It happened so fast,
Speaker 1: but I needed to do piece. That's what the security said.
Speaker 1: I don't remember much. Are you black? Pretty much? But
Speaker 1: I know I landed on the space. You know what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be the unexpected, that might be one of
Speaker 1: the best. Really understand those names because it's so unexpected,
Speaker 1: so funny. Look how you're telling so it's really yeah,
Speaker 1: I just had to tell them what you did and
Speaker 1: tell them what you did. Yeah, it was that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Really No, no, no, I'm not No, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to create this delusion that I'm an amazing fighter.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to come up to you just
Speaker 1: you just had a great moment and it should be celebrated.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful Mari three piece, But I don't want
Speaker 1: to be fighting. People know you're gonna been gonna take
Speaker 1: this nickname the three piece. The three piece is security right.
Speaker 1: Security is prevention right, And so when they hear three piece,
Speaker 1: they're gonna know I am not a fighter. I am
Speaker 1: not a violent person in a relationship. This is not
Speaker 1: like I'm not going around punching mabu. This this was
Speaker 1: just disrespect. It was it was just it was like
Speaker 1: this it felt like a reality show, like it was
Speaker 1: unreal what he said to me. It was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so nice. Why are you being me? I like how
Speaker 1: you came to the decision though, Yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 1: fight him. Yeah, I was sure I should fight him.
Speaker 1: I was sure I should. You proceed to get to
Speaker 1: it is. That is admirable because disrespect has to be
Speaker 1: met with. You gonna learn to respect me. I always
Speaker 1: doesn't always, but some people need to know he did
Speaker 1: because that was wild. Some people need to know. We
Speaker 1: believe in that A three piece Linux we are. We
Speaker 1: are elated that you stopped by to give us a
Speaker 1: little bit of your time, a little bit of your energy, um,
Speaker 1: a little bit of your gift insight, where you've been,
Speaker 1: where you're going. This was beautiful and we encourage you.
Speaker 1: Thank you with with all that you have and with
Speaker 1: all that you can keep going. Please keep going. Will
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop being We're gonna keep supporting Strange. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the comments. Yeah, he gonna definitely
Speaker 1: be in the college. I'm working on it. You work
Speaker 1: with you and you anytime do this available. I would
Speaker 1: love that time of the day, already thinking about the
Speaker 1: next project. Right, that's expensive. That looks ex vocals. What
Speaker 1: you have you can't saying you can't get on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what we're doing, don't play with no vocals that I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for accident. That's fine. Fine, A couple, got a
Speaker 1: couple more here, you're a couple more. Wow, that looks
Speaker 1: like a very This is the place where you get sing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love that and enjoy yourself. So anytime we
Speaker 1: are available to you, and because you too, Okay, I'm serious, No,
Speaker 1: I need y'all. I mentioned it on my live and
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I love that. But the music is insane.
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