WEBVTT - Ari Lennox 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:13.840 Money. We all take vlich. We are the authority on 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:20.959 all things R and Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:27.440 I am tanking and this R and D money podcast, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.919 the authority on all things. All things are. And they 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.040 said we couldn't get it. They said we couldn't get it. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:46.000 You are sought after. You are home grown voice. Now 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:54.840 you are a soulful songstress, classy and all her integrity 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.640 is intact. Ladies and gentlemen in the building, we got 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:08.000 our atltics, y'all got we Lord, how you doing good? 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.440 I have I have about to pick with you? Start 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.000 off Normally we like to go all the way back 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.680 to the beginning, which we're gonna do and start and 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.800 this is a very flowers oriented is Valentine would tell 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.120 you pod we get flowers. Really, yeah, all flowers to you. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.959 This is this is your praise moment. This is for 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.479 you to talk your talk for celebration about who you are, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.160 what you are, and why you are. Before we get 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.319 to that, there's lyric in one of your songs. Oh 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.800 my god, O hey, were you are talking trash? At 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:46.360 the end you say, this is not a rejection, Oh Lord, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:55.280 show erection. You know this this is shady, out of control. Yeah, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.040 how are you going to? How are you gonna be 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:02.120 out here? Triple beautiful? The oh thanks bad brown and 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.040 telling a man that he cannot appreciate what God has done. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.840 Oh my god. I mean I just felt it was 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.960 it was giving lust and it wasn't giving pure love. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.480 I needed that pure love. All right? On your side. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:25.280 I'm on her side. Stop thinking. You think with your 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.960 mind because as your mind and your soul. You got 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.919 to understand, if you communicate with a woman's mind and 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:36.600 her soul, the body will following. From the defense attorney 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.520 to the prosecut I gotta go. Okay, I started off away, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.240 but I have to. I'm a fan. I gotta follow. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.399 And she hometown, So whatever you want. Oh ma, thank you, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.720 thank you for coming, Thank you for having Thank you. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.840 We we really really really appreciate you being here and here. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:03:00.600 Um we love your music. Um, thank you got somebody 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.800 for you to be this nice and just a bright light. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:14.120 You really be throwing some shade that niggas man at it. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:20.800 She's she's she's nice to keep from y'all. Don't want 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.120 this other y'all don't want this other work. So let 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.000 me keep it. Let me keep it here for now. Yeah, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:38.000 that is pretty me. Yeah. Listen, let's start at the beginning, right, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.680 and I want to start off The moment I like 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.600 to identify is when did somebody say to you or 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.640 say about you that baby right there? Got it? She's special. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.800 My grandma Holly, she was like she said, I sounded 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.240 like an angel. I guess I was singing in the house. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.200 I was like three, and she was probably the first supportive, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.160 um encouraging person who noticed that I had something going 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.000 on in my voice. So, yeah, and you're at three, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.800 you don't know what's going on. You're just are you 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.760 emulating something at the time? Are you like a favorite 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.760 song music in your house at that at that age? 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.640 Did you grow up in a musical home? Oh? Well, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.160 I didn't grow up in a musical home, but like 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.440 my parents were always playing like just everything from you know, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:36.280 you know, the Jackson five to Eric Bonet, Alita Adams 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.560 and Mariah Carey Whitney. So I'm always listening to these 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.760 legends and watching Apollo with my other grandma. And yeah, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.320 I guess that's when we talked about that all the time, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:53.640 really about how parents it's important to play good music 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.640 for your kids. Oh my god, it's it's extremely important. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.919 You gotta play good music for your kids because the 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.799 stuff that they're friends gonna music music for your friends, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.080 I mean, for your kids so that they can influence. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.720 Never exactly, I met someone who told me she never 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.240 listens to R and B or sold it all. She 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.000 just only listens to to trap music, which is beautiful. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.800 I love trapped. But I was shocked. I don't know. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:28.040 She was so cool, right, nobody listen whoever you are 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:33.800 young ladies stabbing nobody, I don't think. But but yeah, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.080 I was shocked, Like I mean, but I feel like, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.839 I'm sure that's what she listened to growing up. And yeah, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.400 so it's a thing some people just don't listen too. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.760 We're trying to change that. We're trying to change to 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.839 change it's a fight to give that um, to put 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.040 the good vibration, you know what I'm saying in the 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.200 mainstream for us. O, my god, talk about it, you 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.280 know what I mean? So, what was the next step 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.159 from there? Was it church? Was it? Was it the choir? 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.240 Was it the church? Um? Shout out to Mrs Kim, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:13.200 Mrs Kelly, Uh, there are these amazing twins, gorgeous and 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.080 can sang down. They have this beautiful song called didn't 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:21.279 I and Ms Kelly, she was the choir director for 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.520 the youth and she gave me my first solo and 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.800 I just did a lot of singing. Heritage Fellowship Church 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:32.680 of Christ. Where's that? Where's that church? Rest in Virginia? 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.560 Are they still there? They still? I think so? Ye, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.720 they're still going. I need to visit. I feel I 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.520 feel like I might have been there. I've been. I've 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.600 been to pretty much every church in the DMV. Really. Yeah. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.440 I was singing and playing at every church, carrying my 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.520 keyboards and my aunt, my stand and a choir with 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.680 my group or a sing solo like I was at 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.280 every church doing. Wow. Yeah, it was a good It 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:01.839 was a good one. What church did you go to? 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:08.560 I went to Antioch Baptist Church in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. Okay, Patty, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.400 he's still the pastor there? Sounds yeah? Yeah, we were. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.160 We were a youth movement, the youth movement exactly that. Well, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.400 it's a couple of things here into this, you know. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.760 It was it was of course we were following behind 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.640 John p. K. Anything the New Life did that's what 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.280 we was on. But we also founded the first Christian 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.320 fraternities fraternity and sorority, So you know that that that's 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.720 that's where our kind of youth movement kind of grew 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:47.320 and began those moves that do step what is it 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:55.880 like a PG step show. I mean some of the 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.720 brothers had pledged worldly fraternities before they real quick you 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:13.040 gonna catch little boy doing they try to put him 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.800 in one of the fraternities. I don't think you're gonna 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:19.080 let him in the church one, but we don't judge. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:21.960 If you want to be part of a q A, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.640 you can't. Moving on, it's going to be good. It's 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:32.880 gonna be think about Christian fraternity anyway. So church any 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.079 singing in high school? Yes, Um, I went to Duke 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:42.800 Ellington School the Arts for a little while. I guess 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.880 the whole thing. Yeah, they let me in. I don't 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.840 know why else, and I um, I was always skipping, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.480 but it was the school I like the most. I 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:58.559 stayed there in the longest there. I was always skipping. Yeah, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.680 especially the last year he was cutting at the School 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.280 of the Arts. Yeah, I just I didn't feel like 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.600 a star and it I think like I felt kind 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.400 of like no one really cared. But towards the end, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.600 like my teacher Mr. Bonds, I missed. I think I'm 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.480 saying his name right, forgive me, sir, but I, um, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.920 he was very nice towards the end, like I feel 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.080 like he started to appreciate it, or like finding out 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.040 that I could sing, like he saw something in me 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.440 in the end. But by then I was running from 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.280 this X who moved on with some girl and they 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.440 were always being affectionate in school and it just killed 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.120 me inside. So I just I couldn't be at school 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.120 to see so I would be at the museums and stuff, 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.160 just skipping and riding the train by myself. So the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:50.840 relationship aspect of your music, this started along always sadness, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:56.960 always single, Yeah, always sadness, always single. Yeah, well sadness 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.040 because of the single right there? Not well yeah, I 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.520 guess sadness in other ways too, but like, yeah, it's 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.600 always been at things. It is content, it really is. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.080 It's always there is this something that you consistently tap 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.560 into when you're writing your records. Um, I'm always thinking 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.120 about what's going on, and I feel like, yeah, it's 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.600 always what's ever happening now, Like I go on the studio. Now, well, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.320 I guess I wouldn't have much to write about at 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:31.160 this point, well if it regards the romance. But yeah, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.760 so let's go to Discovery. Okay, Discovery Discovery. So you're 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.000 out of high school and you're what are you doing? 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.640 And when do we get to the point where you're 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.360 getting this phone call and you're like, who is this again? 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.520 And what do you want from me? I mean, I 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.480 just got a job at public storage, and um, I 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.560 was making ten dollars an hour, and yeah, it was 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.960 a really good job. Like I knew this was like 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.120 the highest page job I've ever had, so I knew 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.520 I wanted to keep it. And um, the president of 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.680 Dreamville EB he called me and wanted to fly me 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:18.240 out to meet Cole in l A. And it was 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.880 history from there basically. So we're demos floating around or 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.320 is it? Like? How how is it that it's that 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.920 that connection? How does that happen for you? Obviously you're 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.880 from you from d C? Where you are you in 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.760 d C at this part? At this point, you know, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.360 I'm like deep in the middle of nowhere Maryland, But um, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.120 I'm like an hour from d C. So how how 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.679 how would it a label president here about you? So 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.400 oh wait, No, during this time, I wasn't in Maryland. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.480 I was in Charlotte. But um yeah, he heard about 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:56.520 me through SoundCloud and this. Oh yeah, I was doing 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.599 a lot of stuff with Dave James and d J 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:05.559 G Humble, um eli evening a lot of people are yeah, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.000 a lot of people and just throwing music out there. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.240 And the guy Internet. Yeah, and this guy named omen Um, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.920 he's amazing. He put me on to Cole Well Cold 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:21.199 like he told Cold about me. So were you at 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.720 this time where you're recording before way before the phone call? 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:30.040 Are you are you thinking to yourself, Um, one day 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.640 I'm going to be rich and I'm going to be 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:38.680 famous or are you like you never music? No? I 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.120 just always just kept doing it, and I was ready 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.400 to leave it all for this man. But he went 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.160 to the Middle he went to the military, and so 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.320 I was forced to kind of like focus on my dreams. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.679 But like I really I always want to leave this 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.679 for love and start a family, Like I don't want 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:02.160 to keep doing No, you're not really know We're going 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.360 to get to that, okay, we sad I don't want 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.920 to give that much energy to like this. Man. Man, man, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.800 it's like, I want a family. I feel like that 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:20.080 is that's true life, that's our true love. Like to 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.520 have a family is beautiful, it seems so I want that. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.040 So for you, this is a moment in time. What 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:32.440 the music? Wow, I guess the moment. It never stops nothing. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:44.079 How do you like? It's like, yes, this is great. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:49.360 I'm very grateful for the bands I think in I 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.920 don't want to skip over getting to the discovery because 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.880 we're right here and I just want to address it. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:02.320 I think there is so much um, there's so much 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:12.160 gold um. There's so many lessons within your gift, um, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.240 within just who you are and what you represent. And 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:21.200 I feel like there are so many little girls who 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:26.080 look like you try to sing like you, They try 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.640 to look like you, to try to emulate your movements, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.480 to try to emulate your sound, your essence. And because 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:41.560 we don't have a lot of real talent, real singers, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.360 real things that we grew up on that inspired us. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:50.840 And so when someone like you comes around, and I 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.880 definitely understand the matters of the heart for sure, I 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.120 understand it. You know what I mean? I'm I'm married, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.160 So I've i've I've kind of figured mine out. I'm 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.760 still working on but you know, I feel but it's 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.480 like there's a there's the other, there's another side to 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.160 that purpose that is just ongoing. As you keep saying, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:13.320 it just keeps going, like no matter what else I 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.280 tried to do, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna play football. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:23.160 I'll be seeing on the field first, I'll be singing 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:28.800 the you Can't hold Me. You know, it always grabbed 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.800 me and brought me back, you know, even when I 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.560 wanted to quit music, you know what I mean. I'm I'm, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.640 I tell this story all the time. I'm at Jamie's 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.880 house and I'm like, I'm done. This music game isn't 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.520 about music. It's about all of these other things that 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.760 I don't want to be part of. And this is 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.040 two thousand two, this is before social media, before all 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:55.280 of this that, you know, And even then, I feel 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.120 like that. Then I was like I'm better than him, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.520 I'm better, I'm better than her, he's I'm better. And 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.200 I was like, they won't spend money on me. I 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.920 got all of this, I do all of that, and 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.480 they're not feeling I'm gonna just go back home and 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.720 go to church. And one of the craziest moments of 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.920 clarity ever in in my musical musical life was Jamie 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.480 Foxx saying, you can't quit because if if you leave, 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.600 then what am I gonna do? And I was like, 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.520 I don't even know what that means. He's like, I 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.680 look to you, I listened to you. You inspire me, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.440 so who's gonna do that? And his sister, who don't 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.320 really play no games, like, yeah, you stuff. So I 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.200 stayed in his house, he made He made me stay 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.880 at his house, use the studio and all of that 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.120 until I just figured my life out. But I say 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.440 all that to bring that back around is that I 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.920 didn't know who. I didn't know what my true purpose was, 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.200 because the beauty of what you just said is you 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.880 weren't looking for money or fame. There came a point 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.760 to where I thought that that was the validation and 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.680 I lost sight of what my true purpose was. And 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.560 I'm meant to give and inspire. I'm here to serve. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.080 And once I was able to accept that, everything else 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.800 fell into place, and you have so much to give. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.520 As I listened to your music like I'm listening to you, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:24.280 I'm working out what you like it. That's it, it's 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:30.879 in here. Now. You got a real gift. You absolutely 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.159 have a real gift, even from a from a songwriters 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.679 standpoint to how you think now talking to you and 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 kind of seeing you in your reactions to things, things 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.400 are making even more sense to me as I've listened 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.439 to your music, because obviously you know we have the music, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.600 and you make your assumptions off of whatever from the music. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.640 But then you actually meet the person, You're like, oh, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:58.119 I get it. It all makes sense, and I think 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:04.920 you know yourself Summer walker Um sayssor like it's very 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.919 pure than you. To me as a consumer, when I 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.200 listened to you, it feels very honest, you know what 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.919 I mean? Like you got a lyrical you tell her 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.720 to come back and get his bow. Wow, due right awesome, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:27.879 But it's so visual. You go, you're gonna get it 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.399 so she can sign it for she got you. You 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:37.960 can't leave here without signing shout out to the end 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:48.040 if you want, we're gonna sit it right up here. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:53.240 You talked about the dude rag like when the nick 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.800 got come pick up all this ship, Like don't forget 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.880 that too. Okay, shout out to Lemmens because he helped 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.000 me with that line. I think he was joking at first, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.280 but I was like, nah, we need to keep that, Like, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.800 I love it. That's what songwriting is about. Baby Face 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.880 told me that years ago, you have to have something 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.280 that they remember that sticks out. Yeah, out of all 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:23.200 the things, that's the thing I bring up that I 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:31.400 just love people. Uh, I don't know. Having people being 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.720 able to relate is like awesome, like fun with that, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:40.359 you know. So, yeah, you're extremely relatable. Thanks. Alright, So 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.600 phone call, you get the phone call. We need we 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.920 need you to fly out here and see one of 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.840 the coldest You fly here and see cold Yeah, what 0:19:50.040 --> 0:20:00.080 is going through your mind? Absolutely not, Absolutely I do that. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:05.440 Hell no, I just got this job. I can't lose this. Yeah, 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:11.160 I can't lose this job. I hate flying. Um No, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:16.159 I'm terrified. And and I knew, like, oh, this is 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.800 really a problem, this is my life could change. But 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.960 I was literally sitting there like telling myself no, and 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.320 I but I got drunk and I did it. I 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:32.440 got so drunk and I just never stopped alcohol. Alcohol 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.399 on the alcohol. There was no actual person who was 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.080 the battery, like girl, you tripping it was the juice. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:43.080 I believe he kind of calmly was just like, yeah, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.680 you know, just come tomorrow. Like it was so like 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:51.399 literally got the call and like, yeah, like literally tomorrow, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.439 Like I think that's what it was. Um it was 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.320 insanely fast, and um I really had no time to 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.800 even think about it or to really discover myself. But 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.520 I definitely was like I don't think I can. I 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.200 just got this job. But he was he wasn't really 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:11.240 trying to hear it, like you know, like he saw 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.280 the future he did. Yeah, I didn't know what the hell. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.320 I'm all. I feel like i'm music or in that way, 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.520 I'm kind of the most present in my life, like 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.920 I never think about what I could be, I guess 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:31.160 and this ship, I'm just very present. But I'm so 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.320 not that way in other aspects of my life, like 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.959 I e like my anxiety and anxious nature, but like um, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.520 with music, I never I'm never really thinking of like 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.600 or what I could be, or like how big I 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.439 could get or something. Of course it'd be nice to 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.520 have that, but I'm not thinking about it like as 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:53.440 I'm Yeah, no, like where every day I'm not thinking 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.680 I would like more money. But I played a lottery 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:05.560 every week every No, that's right that they will, they will. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.800 They get my awesome. I've been playing since the DMV. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:25.560 Have you ever won big? Never? Damn, I don't think so. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.520 Does this? Does Ja Cole? Does the name Ja Cole? 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:30.240 When you hear this, when you get there and you're 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.200 standing there, it's like they go, J Coole right there 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:37.160 and I'm right here? Does it? It doesn't like your 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.359 mind doesn't of course. I was like, oh my god, excited, 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:48.119 like it's J Cole in real life. Um. I immediately 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.520 we get to work. I think we started doing a 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.080 song to some beat um that was being made and 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.160 it was cool and never saw a light of the day, 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.240 thank god. But this other song I did stop uck 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.800 and um it was the song called FaceTime on my 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.439 first album, and it was crazy. How like that first 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:13.480 meeting we made a really incredible song. Organic? Yeah, very organic. 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.240 You're just writing a demo for someone? Oh my god, 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.440 Yes I was, Actually I was. It was for Rihanna. 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.800 I forgot. Yeah. I think we were in there right, 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.480 we were writing for Rihanna. But um, you know, I 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.920 don't think she I don't know if she ever even 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:38.639 heard it, but um, yeah, FaceTime, Yeah it did. This 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.720 is how it goes. Like a lot a lot of 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:45.080 people in our industry, they don't take those chances when 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.560 someone says I need you to come and help someone 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.080 else's career and you know, further their career. A lot 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:56.440 of time, especially artists that are writers, like I might 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.720 give away my biggest record are I'm like, you know 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.520 what I mean. We I want to say that because 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.639 we are all we're all songwriters. We fall in love 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.440 with the music and sometimes you'll leave the studio and 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.520 you're like, damn, I probably could have kept that one. 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.960 You know, you have those moments, especially when you're strictly 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.280 a songwriter. You know, Like I've had moments where I 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.600 was strictly that's just what I was. I was a 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.240 hired gun called j to write some songs, and I 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.520 definitely had some moments where I'm riding home and I'm like, man, 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.560 I hope that nigger don't sing this the way. Maybe 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.560 I keep it. You just have those moments, man I 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.639 wrote that about such and such. Yeah, but it makes 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:45.720 it makes those opportunities where you were Now you can 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.240 create a fun people to understand that. Just take the opportunity. 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.720 You have a full career off going to l a flying, 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:59.280 don't like flying to write for another artist. This song 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.480 ends up on your album. Yeah, it's a great song. 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.640 Thank you, thank you for what I mean. So it's like, 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.240 that's that's just how this ship works. If you take 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:14.159 those opportunities. You have to learn that. Wow. Really I 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.639 was taking to the Davante approach, this publishing companies for 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.800 his damn self publishing, and all my music was for me, 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.919 really for me. No one's going to sing it like me. 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.000 Yeah it's me, it's mine. Yeah, that's but that's kind 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:37.199 of true though it should always Wow broke right then 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.200 I got sat on the bench. So when I got bitch, 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.280 you know, no money. And so Jamie Foxx was the 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.879 first person to start stealing on my song. Yeah, I 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.440 think I need that. When I said I was, it 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:59.639 was damn kind of his. It was kind of his. 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.800 I was forced into what I was, sitting on the bench. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:10.200 They wouldn't put me out. I would put my music out. Um, 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.520 Jamie was giving me an opportunity to find my way back, 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:16.120 just writing, producing in his space, running to Damon Thomas 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.280 hanging out with Tyrese with how you're gonna act like that? 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.200 It's going crazy and Damon Thomas, you know it gives 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.439 me to Hollywood. I'm like that sound crazy like this 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:31.960 you wrote that. So I'm just and they're like you 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:36.119 should come, should come work with us? Wow, Like I 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:40.560 don't like giving away my songs, my sauceman down to 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:47.399 my last go up to underdogs, meet this guy, um 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:53.880 and first records we do are oh for Marion um 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.879 And I'm trying to First of all, I'm obsessed with 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:04.360 that album. Obsessed, went crazy, insane. That is my favorite. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:08.959 Oh my god, like literally ran that album into the ground, 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:14.080 Like I love the whole album especially I'm trying to Yes, 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:20.359 I love this is super full circle. Were you a 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:33.200 part of I'm trying to background? He sings the backgrounds 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:39.879 and I sing the backgrounds. I'm fan girl, y'all are amazing. 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:44.200 Oh my god, like that that was literally you could 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.840 tell with that project UM like group like people like 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:54.000 people came together. That was a gorgeous, soulful cohesive. Was 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.320 the weekend. It's a great moment. Yeah, it was like 0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:01.880 a star weekend. What it was just happening in a weekend. 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.119 We'll we'll give you a quick story. We'll get a 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:13.200 quick story. No, no, So All Star Weekend in l A. 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:17.080 Maybe two thousand three three one of those. I'm sure 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:21.120 somebody in the comments so be like it was two okay, okay, 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:29.080 you google it. But somewhere around that time, and they 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.040 had the Grammys and All Star Weekend in l A 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.600 that same weekend, and Um, the Underdogs was a collective. 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:41.800 It was we were like transformers. Literally it was five 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.720 to ten, I would say anywhere between that five to ten, 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:50.680 like really established songwriters producers who all came together and 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.800 we formed like Votron, and we just wrote songs and 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:59.400 produced songs for people, and we ended up everybody was 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.719 kind of when the l a, I'm going to go 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.000 out thing that we can and it ended up being 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:12.160 tanked myself, Eric Dawkins and Antonio Dickens, Dixon Dixon, Um, 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:17.800 Antonio Dixon, and we were like, we got records. Let's 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:22.080 just because oh was waiting in the lobby. See this 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:23.480 is a different I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.320 you a little context of how the music business used 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.200 to be. It's a little different now. But for the underdogs. 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.440 We had had so much success as writers and producers 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.720 that they would labels would literally just send their artists 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.080 there and have them wait in the lobby and be paying. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:45.080 Yeah yeah, wait, why yes, because they were waiting to 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:49.239 get their turn in the studio. I can name the 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.240 biggest of the biggest artists who I will not who 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.800 said in that lobby for hours, and we used to 0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:03.520 figure out ways to entertain them. What j would do 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:08.240 is pull out the dice, oh and take these artists money. 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:18.920 These artists were the girls were not there. Marion had 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.560 just done a weekend two k's two K shows by 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.800 himself because he was a solo artist, and they got 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.360 a honey with him. Had to take it. Um no. 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.720 I took that, and I told him before we start, 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:35.080 I said, oh, don't do this. You don't know him. 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.120 You don't know him like I know him. You're not 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:46.720 from this place. He had that. Oh my god, it's amazing. 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.320 But you know they would have that. They would have 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.520 been waiting. It might be four or five artists. Yeah, wow, 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:57.800 all paying a studio right day? You I mean, I 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.239 turned it into that. But they were waiting to get 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.959 in these rooms and get sessions going and we just 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.840 took a liking to Oh. Oh, it's just I don't 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.800 know have you met him yet. I feel like he 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.560 is a great guy. We talked once in online. Yeah 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:17.200 it was a great guy, amazing spirit. And one day 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:23.800 this food driving on the freeway comes up with oh 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:37.080 what literally he's driving escort y. Yeah, that's amazing, the 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:43.280 windows down like this want this? Okay, alright, But that 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.280 was my last because I looked at Oh and I said, 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.120 I said, he's trying to cross over, very tough space, 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.680 to cross over from a boy to a man. Y'all 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.400 did the hardest thing. And I said, you need a 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:59.960 song called Oh my God. That song was hot. He is. 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.200 It's vain, I said, but it's a response. How do 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.640 we get every a column response? We need everybody to 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.280 know your name and know the effect that you have 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.080 on women. It has to be completely associated with your name. 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.800 That's the last track I actually produced on the NPC 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.120 before I switched off the computer and logic all that stuff. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.160 But that was the last one, and I was like, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.480 I got one. But to me, it was nothing vain 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:29.880 about that song. He still adamantly was trying to please her, absolutely, 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:36.240 But think about this though, like you want, Like Jenie, 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.320 I used to do it all the time. He used 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.760 to always put g in everything. He still always trying 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.080 to find a way to throw a G in. You 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.880 know what I'm saying. Whatever song he was singing, right, 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:51.920 so you know you sing that about me and so oh. 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.800 I think we were consciously trying to make sure that 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.640 you know his name because he was coming from a 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.680 group that separate him unless he is oh than the loco. Oh, 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.600 that's always oh sing oh and Oh, it's gonna give 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.959 it to you. You know what I'm saying. He might 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.960 have had like he was doing something turned into he 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:21.200 was spinning with it. That's that's took it too far. 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.840 When you come from a dancing world, when you come 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.640 from a dancing the world like myself, Like when you dance. 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:28.640 You know what I'm saying, You try you try to 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.560 try to make this guy dancer. Now he's a dancer. 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.840 This is the thing I danced in my first video, 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.800 Monster Dances. You know what I'm saying. But it seems 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.720 like it's a correlation between me dancing and the song 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:46.520 is not working. Why I stopping That's the only reason 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:52.959 I stopped dancing. But I can dance start again. I 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.800 want to see, I do. I do want to see. 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.200 It's not going to do this to do this for 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:05.680 your flavors, you know, but I didn't think you'd really 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:11.280 do it. Have you written any records for anyone else? Never? 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.520 I did a session, um with someone really amazing. I 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.359 won't say her name because I don't know if it's 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.640 weird to say I don't. I don't know if it would, 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:27.880 but I did a session with her, and um, yeah 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.360 that was cool. That was really cool. It was my 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.800 first time. I think that was my first time outside 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.759 of this song I thought was for Rihanna. Yeah right, 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.279 I think sure, Yeah, I think you should write for 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.080 more people. I don't know. No, you're not ready to 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.200 get away. I'm not when it's not even that I 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.080 take him like I would love. I don't know if 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:55.040 I have, I've lost I think my passion for writing. Honestly, 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.160 I don't really know what else to say at this point. 0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.279 I am I gonna talk about I think that's when 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.600 writing for other people becomes becomes special, because it's like, 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.880 you know, let me tell me your story, story down 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.600 what I'm saying, like, give me, let's let's just hang 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.000 out for a day. Let's hit the moll, let's go 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.880 grab some food, and let's just talk and chop and build. 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.520 And you know, I'm in a I'm in a session 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:22.560 with UH with Kate Michelle and my dog, right and 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.400 so we're in the session and we you know, we 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:27.520 we got it in and we just we just get 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.480 to talking trash like Cay Michelle just you know, she's prediculous. 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.640 So we just we just go at it. But I'm like, so, 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.759 I said, I saw you another online other day, just 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.399 talk you. I don't know why you be online talking crazy. 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:37.759 I'm telling her when I was doing the same thing. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:39.840 And She's like this, na funk that, you know what 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.960 I'm saying, Like he had the write one. I was 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.919 the right one that motherucker tried to write one. I said, oh, Ship, 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:53.439 you've got yeah, bla blast on Twitter and I'm gonna 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:58.040 blast back. I said, yeah, yeah yeah. And that became 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.200 like that was exciting game. It's like a game, like 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.719 a puzzle piece. All this is beautiful. It's psychology too, 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:13.200 it's and and it's getting it out. The worst things 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.319 you can do is just had it breathing inside of 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:20.840 you and you just never like, let me, let keeping 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.239 the gift to yourself, keep the gift to you. I'll 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:29.680 stop the world, stop thinking about going to school for psychology, 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.080 and this could be a way to well, I mean 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.440 music for me, it's completely therapeutic. Yeah, maybe you know 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.760 what I mean. Like my my my wife is always 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:42.080 looking for certain emotions out of me, are certain responses 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.520 out of me, um, and they're not available. Because I 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.160 put it all in my music. I'm able to meet 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.279 her at a at a better place because I just, 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.279 I just I do all the sparring and all the screaming, 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.560 and you know all that I put that in my music. 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.960 So therefore, when I find me get to talk to her, 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:15.840 it's I'm in this place. That's good. Let her. But 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.360 I think I think as he's saying, I think you 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.360 have a lot to offer in that space, which is 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.600 an awesome space. You know what I mean to um, 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:31.120 to further the legacy of who you are, because I well, 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.719 I know this is no excuse for me and comparison 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:40.120 to you and you and so many other legends. I've 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.799 been writing like all my life, I've wrote this mixtape. 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.400 There was a mixtape I did way back in the 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.839 day called five Finger Discount. Then there was Areography, and 0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.000 then there was Shad but Her Baby, and these were 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.879 all the things that I wrote myself. And then by 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.680 the time Shape Butter Baby happened, I feel like I 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.160 was just after after that, I was just burnt the 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:09.479 funk out, like thin and you gotta plaque off that record. Yeah, 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:15.840 let's cues. Yeah, this this same music that's just living somewhere. 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.920 And then I slip everyone under a bush music is 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:25.360 living worldwide, millions of people mothers. What goes in what 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.239 goes into the thinking when you're writing a record like 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.200 Shape by the Baby for you, like, what was what 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:35.120 were your thoughts with that record? I was literally my 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:40.560 friend Elite. He's amazing, an amazing person, amazing producer, and 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:44.560 we're always kind of like playing in the studio. We're 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.799 not it doesn't feel like work. So I think I 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.880 was playing Sims, either playing Sims probably on the side. 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.400 Probably SIMS was around since three computer game and uh 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.960 sour Patches, probably somewhere around eating sour batches. And I 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.480 think I literally was doing my hair on the couch 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.359 with Shade Butter Like I was literally doing my hair, 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:13.640 um and it just happened. And then my friend or manager, 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:20.080 Maddie Um for many years or many years back, like 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.239 he would just jokingly call me like a shade butter 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.160 baby before I would get on stage. And so I 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.239 feel like all of it kind of like matched in 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.720 that studio moment, like that, were you really leaving shade 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:36.960 butter on niggas on purpose? Not on purpose? Not on purpose? 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:47.879 But I mean it's just like, yeah, literally right here, 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:57.920 she even wrote a song. I've never thought about this, 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:04.680 but this is how I mean when we really pillows 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:10.759 are out there, I mean purpose yeah, damn, I've never 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.640 thought about it, but I yeah, I destroyed so many 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:19.399 pillows just naturally, naturally because of the oils in my hair. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.759 You know, there's all kinds of oils in there, is 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.879 castor oil, there's olive oil, shave butter sometimes and yeah, 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:34.680 stroied a lot of pillows, yeah, but not not noters 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.279 need it bad. I need it bad. But it's not 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:43.320 always a romantic thing. It's just you, yeah, the pillow 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:47.279 cases as though, because it's like all these oils and 0:40:47.400 --> 0:41:00.759 sens it's like you get the reminisce when you know, damn, yeah, yourself, man, 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:11.000 She won't call me back. You wat that pillow brother, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.239 even if she won't call you, but wash it out, 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.040 you're not coming back. Just watch it out, get over. 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.919 I don't. I just never thought of that. Never. That's 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.200 what the music does. What the music does, it travels, 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.759 It travels all of those songs and yours. Like I 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:37.680 said earlier, your songs are so vivid. Yeah, thank you. 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.120 That's a that that is a talent in itself. Thank you. 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:45.000 Like we appreciate the songwriter, thank you. The vocal is 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.759 one thing. Yes, you're in a great vocal. Thank you songwriter, 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:52.200 because that's that's the thought process that is like, Okay, 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.080 if I say it this way, it could hit you 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:57.759 know a little bit, But if I said this way, 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.360 it could sting. Yeah, I think I'm a wrecked person. 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.359 So I've really sing like how I talk and how 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.319 I communicate with people. And sometimes that can be too much. 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:12.000 Sometimes it's you know, just right. But yeah, if yeah, 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.680 that's a thing. But it should be unapologetic for it 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:19.200 should be exactly how you feel it and how you 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:25.080 see it. Because as the art is consumed by consumers, 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:30.600 you aren't necessarily creating for them. You are just you 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:35.600 are creating first for you, like you're just singing it, 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.880 writing it, producing it the way you feel it. They're 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.279 not in the room when you're doing that. And you 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.239 know what I'm saying, it's not a gallery of people 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.759 like no, no, no, change the lyrics or you know 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.400 what I'm saying, I'm singing it better. No, that's all you. 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.360 It's a painter on his east. So just all this 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.920 color will work right. Maybe maybe we'll throw some trees 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.239 right here, because some throw some trees in here and 0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.799 you guys see and you can go fishing right in 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:05.719 here this bottom. But they're not involved in that process, 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.440 and so it should be exactly how you feel it. 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.560 And they have to decide if the art it's for 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:25.040 them or not. Yes, they do, Butax, you know what 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.560 it feels like. I don't think you know. I don't 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:34.239 think you know how big you are. I don't think 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.239 you know how influential you. I don't think you know 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.920 you know. I think you have a self worth for sure, 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:46.239 Yes you have that. I don't think you have the 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:53.080 full perspective maybe aloof for sure of like what you are, Yeah, 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.640 thank you, Yeah, it's I don't know what that like 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.239 when you were talking about the beautiful girl that like 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.400 that looked like me, that are inspired when they're listening 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.279 to this music. When I was saying those things, I 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:13.400 literally wasn't thinking about that part. That's literally my favorite part, 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:17.560 Like seeing young people are like just people, just black 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.879 women that funk with what I'm doing, women that funk 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.759 with what I'm doing, and it's it's everything to me, 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:28.080 And that is the exciting part seeing like, um, when 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:32.840 I got my transcripts at Theodore Roosevelt UM, the school 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.000 that I graduated from because duke go intown and graduate 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.160 from there, I got I got, yeah, I got kicked out. 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:44.600 Do you meet them in football? My god, get me 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:51.200 in trouble? Wow? That's amazing. Congrats though, great way to 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:57.000 say whatever, because I'm waiting here what you're talking about football? 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:07.799 Our Bundy ship. But it was it was great though. 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.480 I went there to pick up my transcripts and this 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.840 I um, this beautiful girl, she had locked. She was 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.839 gorgeous and she was like are you. I was like hi, 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.279 and we had this beautiful moment and it was just 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.080 it was unmatched. Like that was like I was surprised 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.480 at someone so young, like you're in high school and 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.520 you you funk with me like I was shocked. I'd 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:38.239 be shocked a lot. Yeah, I'll be shocked, and I 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:43.839 think and I've been taking um this, it's been weird. 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.200 It's been like ten days over ten days, i haven't 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.919 been on the internet, and I've been kind of like 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:53.040 forced to be outside, but um more and more like 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.800 I'm like more outside but um, yeah, I realized that 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.640 is a thing that needs to happen. I've been sheltered, 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:04.520 sheltered in the internet world and kind of like, um, 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.319 a slave to it, like really just addicted to it. 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.160 And so I feel like I'm finally waking up and 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:16.040 experiencing real life and real human connections. You know, there's 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.960 nothing like really getting to know people for who they 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.040 really are and they really are and they really are 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:28.760 and they really are, they really are. When we met people, 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.879 like we actually met people. You know what I'm saying. 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.280 You met, you sat down, your dance, you had a drink, 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.000 you know what I'm saying. You come over the house, 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.719 you know what I'm saying, and try to avoid their 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.359 mom and when you're running in like it was real interaction. 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:48.000 So getting comfortable with a person was way different. You 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.040 know what I'm saying to you. You didn't have to 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:52.879 weed out a whole budget, you know what I'm saying. 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.799 And it's something if you knew somebody on the block 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.799 they had to. They had the four one one on them. 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.520 I need that, you know what I'm saying, d M 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.040 about them, and I'm done with that. You've done to 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.720 connect and be comfortable and have those maybe intimate moments, 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.120 you know what I'm saying, without having this this this 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.680 this extra thought about motive and all of these other 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.680 things that go along with it, so you can meet 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:20.240 a shady person in real life. Sure, it's just literally 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:24.120 people are cat fishing in different ways, like they're sometimes 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.280 they're literally not who they say, but literally I've seen 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.160 people have completely different persona online and I would ask 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.920 the person like, why don't you show the world who 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.360 you really are? And you know, for whatever reason, they 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:41.240 refuse to people. So many people are living a lie, 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:44.479 And it's just I'd rather meet people in real life 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.560 as they are. And I feel like the only way 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.920 you can really do that is take your time, like 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.279 literally get to know people like I can't. I just 0:47:53.360 --> 0:48:00.560 can't afford anymore shady experiences. So I've really I'm guarded. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:05.160 I'm guarded a bit more. Arts tell you so trifling. 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.400 You know, it's crazy about that. It wasn't. I was 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.960 so mesmerized, but you know, in hindsight, it wasn't. It 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.879 was not It was not all of that. But I 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.960 was so the moment. It was the moment. It was 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:26.280 a moment. It was a moment, it was a good time. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.920 And then after that it wasn't that great. I was 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:33.319 not great. That's how it normally is, though, Yeah, it's 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.160 normally you were like, what was that? Yeah? What the 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:43.000 fun was that? I really really Yeah, I romanticized, but 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:44.960 it's always hard when you're in it, you know what 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.319 I mean, to to consider outside of it, like you 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.040 just don't. You're just in it and you're going along 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:53.200 for the ride. So in your mind you're going to 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:59.400 process it was because you wanted. Yeah, you know what 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:04.319 I'm saying. Damn. Yeah, And I'm realizing it's it's clear, Yeah, 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.759 it's all of it. It's I'm falling. I'm mesmerized by 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.560 all of it. How fine the person is, you know, 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.920 their soul, their energy, like all of these things, you know, 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.480 and you're a lover. Yeah, I can tell you're a 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.919 hopeless romantic cure. I'm tired. I don't want to be 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.600 I don't think you're even don't think you're going to 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:28.040 be able to change it. I think you can fight 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:31.320 it as long as you want, but you are. I'm changing. 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.759 I'm changing for the better. You're not going to do 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.200 But why Okay, here's that question though, why is it? 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:42.359 Why is it better to not be that? Why not 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.200 hopeless romance? Because it's literally it's it's toxic, it's you're 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:53.960 just so hopeful, it's too much hope, too much bright eyed, naive, 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.640 and it's it's said, it's so damn I love Disney, 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.799 but so damn Disney's I'm tired of being this little Cinderella. 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:14.960 You can be, I don't want to be together. I 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.360 think I think that na she wasn't given it nobody. 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.200 I think that you can be strong and still be 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:31.520 if she was. I'm trying to get out of the 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:35.920 Cinderella probably the other day of having fun and that's beautiful, 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:43.000 and that's beautiful. You can still be strong, trying to 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:49.080 give and hopeful. Yes, I mean hopeless, hopeless. You can hope, well, 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.080 we can say hopeless romantic, but you can still be 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:53.840 strong and hopeful at the same time. You can because 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.480 because I think that I'm a glass is half full 0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.920 kind of guy. Anybody that knows me will tell you that, 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:03.759 wow I am. I am searching for the light in 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.879 the dark situation, and no matter how small or dim 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.120 that light is, I'm going to rest on that light. 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:12.799 That's what I was supposed to get out of this, 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.400 and that's what I move on with. And so it 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:20.600 keeps me from one area. I'm so positive. I don't 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.759 want to be anymore like that. You don't want to 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:28.400 be positive the outlook, and it hasn't served me. I 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.680 feel like if I approach a relationship not attached to 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.200 any outcome, I think I'd be better off. I'm so 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:42.920 it's bad for an anxious person. Listen, I would say, 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.560 you know, I would say, make the audit and whatever 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.560 you feel like the adjustments need to be, you make 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:54.239 them and see how that works. But I think ultimately 0:51:55.400 --> 0:52:00.239 your true self and being your true self, it's what's 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.719 going to pay off in the end. Now, somebody's going 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:09.239 to appreciate that a sweet, little freaking something, hey, listen, 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:14.160 might might be the little guy that you pay attention 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:20.960 at doing a little. Guys might treat you right. Yeah, 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:31.239 what I got, sisters. I like him, he like you 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.560 so much, he's so nice to you. I've given I've 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:44.000 given that though anyway, I've been open. I think I've 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.160 been too open, and now it's time to like, Okay, 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:50.080 there's enough of that, like I've been too to like, 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.959 I really feel like it's I've been so lenient, even 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:58.799 with my standards, ridiculously so and um but now it's 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.560 like hell Na, like there's a there's a list now, 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:07.560 like and I'm wavering you mad ag, you're checking red flags. Yeah, 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:09.239 and I'm sure they've got some cameras trying to catch 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:13.120 you somewhere with somebody. So you know, nobody's thinking. Nobody's 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:19.560 thinking about you. Look at Ann and uh no, no, 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:35.960 the Dwarf number eighth. This is this is on topic. 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:42.439 They're they're all Disney, They're all Disney. All right. Um, well, yeah, 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.640 it's a different time. But as we talk about times, 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:48.840 as we get into times, and you are timeless, thank you, 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.440 you are too. We wanna thank you. We want to 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:55.800 get some information from you about your time here, okay, 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.719 on this planet and the music that you've heard, and 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:06.080 how resonates with you? Okay, what are your top five 0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:12.000 R and B artists? Male or female? Oh my god? 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:19.600 What the fun? Yes? But do you hear? I feel 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.920 no pressure. No, it's you, it's yours. Just I'm not 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:27.680 going to do five. No, I'm not gonna do five. 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.040 Just we're gonna we're gonna lock the doors. Were ready 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:33.719 to church when it's it's funny. I can't decide. I 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:38.719 can't decide. I don't. I'm indecisive. When's your birthday? March 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:45.279 on the aries? Okay, when's your birthday? Capricorn? Capricorn? You 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:53.359 run the whole thing, whole thing. I don't know how that? 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:58.360 No idea to five? July night? July night? Oh a cancer? 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:08.680 Oh and I like us, like us? Top five? My 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:14.000 brother is a Capricorn. Um top five? Just all right, 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:21.680 I'm gonna just all right. Mariah carry Um, Mini, Riperton, 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:31.360 Aretha Franklin, why not, Um, Whitney, Houston, Fitzgerald. I can't 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.920 do this though, No, no, you're not done. No, no not. 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.720 That's all you get. You get five. That's a powerful five. 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:45.680 But what about guys? You win? Females? That's fine, that's fine, 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.839 all right, that'll be cold because I don't make music 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:54.200 for dudes either, think about Oh my god, I should 0:55:54.239 --> 0:56:00.200 I should? No, No, we're done, yours next five this 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.480 first of all, this is you. You don't have to 0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:05.000 because hes gonna tell a story he told on another podcast. 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:09.960 That's crazy crazy. He recycling for us. I just tell 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.480 my truth, and they happened. I just happened to tell 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:21.560 them a lot. What happened? Sorry, Yeah, amazing, amazing, Top five, amazing, 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:23.319 top five. I know you wanted to give us a dub. 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.759 You probably gonna fight us later more. It's it's fine, 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:31.120 it's fine, but your five is amazing. Top five R 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:38.200 and B songs that soundtrack? What's your sound track? I 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:43.280 don't know. Okay, between the house to you know, making love, 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:46.279 to put on your shape butter, to make you know 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:56.960 what already was like love. I've never been to see 0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:02.239 it to see yeah. No, I've never made love to 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:07.919 Joe to see Wow. Every everybody in the room said, wow, 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.680 that's crazy. I don't even know how you do. I 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.799 don't even know how to do that without and just 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:27.680 like that down go crazy. Wait, I'm slow, what's that? Listen? 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:31.280 You're top R and B songs right now, let's go 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:42.439 all right? Um, Dion Ferris hopeless? Um, can't you see 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:52.760 total um Jesus with Kesha? I almost messed up her name. Yeah, 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:56.840 this is so hard. Why are you doing? You're almost there? 0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:04.400 I'm not almost there? Almost that? Okay, um y'all this 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:10.560 is hard shit man? How did how Uh nobody's supposed 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:17.440 to be here? How did you get here? Uh? Massive? 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.120 These are all songs that start hearing it in my head. 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:33.560 Oh grape Vine, Brownstone, Greg, Um, what am I on? Four? 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:42.320 You got one more to though? Oh lord? Um, y'all, 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.520 this is not unfair. This is unfair. This is evil 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:53.400 what you're doing at M R and B. Oh my god. 0:58:54.480 --> 0:59:00.760 Okay my last one resentment Beyonce. You gotta have a 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:06.960 few recording Yeah, strong list. We're all girls again. It's fine. 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.920 So what we're starting to get the message power, We're 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:14.960 starting You ain't ship's starting to get the message. Know, 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:18.160 I love Maybe we should do it together? No, I 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.680 love you. You're gonna take all women. I got it. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:23.160 I hate Mary. Jake says Mary, let's go to our 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:35.120 taking women, Mary, Mary, Mary, I need twenty okay Mary, 0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:41.880 Um okay, my favorite Mary song. Um that song child, 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:53.520 he said, it's your child, And yeah, I like that one. 0:59:50.560 --> 1:00:11.480 You a little more that Sorry, it gets expensive. I 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:15.360 know you've got some bags right with you. No, it's 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:21.920 not that everything. It's interesting. When I started singing cut 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:32.600 you fellas would be lying on the ground if I 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.439 stopped before we even get to the next thing. Though, 1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:46.280 this has to this conversation has to happen. Okay, on it? Oh, yeah, 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:50.080 on it. I love Jasmine a lot. On it. In 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:56.760 my opinion, is the female win. We wait, very aggressive, 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:02.959 very straight to the point room record, and a lot 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:06.720 of women don't make songs like that. So for y'all 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:13.480 to make that record, it felt like it was hard. 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:19.520 It was always stopped. Wait what No, it was hard 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:26.160 getting Jasmine too to be freaky because she's she's she 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:29.560 don't want to be she don't want to get nasty. 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:32.200 And I said, come on, you have to. She wanted 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:34.320 to change it a little bit. I said, no, spit 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.480 on it, sit on it, and I had I had 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.320 to just gently say it has to be this way 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.000 like it. It has to be this way, like you know, 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:45.400 you can't change it, you can't do this like we 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:50.600 have a great hype. That's amazing. Women need a friend, like, 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:53.960 oh my god, I don't know if you have a friend, 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:59.560 but you need a friend. I wanna keep your man, 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:06.440 talk about you a friend like her home girl. It 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:13.880 has to be this way, yes, but it wasn't. It 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:21.320 wasn't vile. No, it wasn't on it than a esay no, 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:33.400 because you hear keep going yeah, yes, we don't want 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:39.160 to drive, we don't want to dry bites, okay whatever. Yeah, 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:45.880 it was about yeah, yeah, you're right. It was you 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:53.440 receive You received the message from different people differently. Right. 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:58.240 The vessel is very important in terms of the transfer 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:05.479 of information, and so when you sang that, it felt right, 1:03:05.960 --> 1:03:08.680 thank you. It didn't feel like why is she sicking that? 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:20.439 It felt like hallelujah, halle hallelujah. The fact that y'all 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:24.400 was right because you can get that off sometimes on 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.960 something I'm just gonna get freaky and it's just gonna 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.040 be whatever it is. But to actually be singing it 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:44.320 put vibrato. Yeah, it is a heritage fellowship. It had 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:48.800 so much soul and spit because for me, for I mean, 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:53.000 I think for us as a collective, like sex is 1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:55.360 not just sex right for I then talk about everybody 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:59.680 in this room. Is what we do sexist, it's making 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:04.720 it's spiritual. Yeah, it has to be a certain spiritual 1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:07.600 tone connected to in order to that for that to 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:11.320 be a proper connection. If we are in exchanging souls, 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:15.880 we're not doing this the right way. We're not intertwined, right, 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:20.280 We're not doing it the right way. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry. 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.320 And if you're not, only you're not doing it right. 1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:30.680 Shout out to Jasmine Sellivan that amazing, amazing record things 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:36.480 you know, some of your system off that. Thank you 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:38.560 so much. I love doing it. I love it so 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:41.520 much from my favorite songs. And shout out to Cardiac 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:53.160 he produced it produced when it's beautiful. Wow, damn you're connected. Yeah, 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:56.560 you make some sexy songs, Tank and you sound it's 1:04:56.680 --> 1:05:00.800 church sex. Yes, it really is sex. The church's church 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:04.520 section church sex for sure. Sex for sure. It's it's 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:06.800 sneaking in, sticking in the basement or somewhere on the 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:11.680 pews at the church. Yeah, sometimes you got to wait. 1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:18.280 You did that before. What I want to get from you. 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:25.680 I was in the I was listen, man, who is 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:30.640 you doing? I don't want to talk about church market 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:34.560 the basement. You know what I'm saying. Listen, when you 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:38.480 are in church all the time, this is where this 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.040 is where you lived in church. Biggest freaks in the house. 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:49.000 So it's my house. I'm his house. The church is 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:54.360 the building where all the houses congregated. But okay, come on, 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:58.320 come on, past come on listen. I remember someone took 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:02.120 me to a church time ago, right, and I'm watching 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:07.240 I'm watching the mannarisms of the pastor, and in my head, 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:14.280 I don't say this out loud, but I'm going it 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:19.320 is giving. This is what I'm feeling, right. It is 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:24.560 because I want to say he said, I know that 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:45.800 I may not know. I don't know Blonians. Yeah, and um, 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:50.720 we're building an R and B votron. Okay, so we 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:54.640 need to know who you're getting the vocals from, who 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.840 you're getting the performance style from, who you're getting the 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:01.240 styling from, and who you're getting the passion from the 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:04.240 heart of the artist. So let's start at the beginning. 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:07.600 The voice. Who you getting the vocals from to build 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:14.720 your R and B artist? Oh, I'm creating from scratch, 1:07:15.200 --> 1:07:20.160 Oh my god, vocal who's folk? Easy bank, Who's focal. 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:32.280 Maybe Etta James, maybe so stirring. I want that growl, 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:38.600 so stirring that Rice. Rice has been thrown on sha Yeah, 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:47.920 she like a growling singing like Fantasia, Oh my gosh, anointed, 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:55.840 like chilling, American's idol, American idol. You talk about crying, 1:07:56.000 --> 1:08:01.000 Oh my god, for no reason. She just nerves everything. 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:07.720 She was the best singers ever, She's everything. Okay, who 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:12.439 are you getting the performance style from? Well? One day, 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:15.000 I would like to really get comfortable. I always imagine 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:18.320 myself or sorry, the person this is a person is 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:20.320 the person that we're creating. Okay, it has nothing to 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:29.400 do with me then, all right, so um prince, Yeah 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:37.000 you just see the perfect stand. Yeah yeah, always, I 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:39.679 feel like he's just all He's commands that stage such 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:44.639 a start, he commends in every facet and I don't 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:47.320 even I don't even know what this's on purpose. I 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:50.559 just think he just did whatever the funk came to 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:54.519 his mind. This is how I feel. There should be 1:08:54.600 --> 1:09:01.320 no back to these chains and did it? Man? Yeah? Yeah, yes, 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:05.400 what did they call chap? Chaps? Man? I don't know. 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:08.960 I'm gonna I'm gonna sit on this horse, asshole Nick 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:12.960 did he do that? I know that Furst was sticking 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:16.320 the ship out of the he was sitting on a 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:22.080 horse naked prints. Here we go. Who are you getting 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:27.479 the styling from styling? Um? Do you want your artists 1:09:27.479 --> 1:09:32.160 to look like wow? Oh, look like or dressed like 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:37.000 that ship? I dressed like like you know, well the style. 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:43.360 I really like Kyle, Rihanna and Kylie dress. I think 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:47.040 they're Kylie Jenner and Rihanna. I think they're some of 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:51.320 the fliest women ever. I don't know or to me, 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:53.400 I just fun with their stuff. I want to dress 1:09:53.479 --> 1:09:56.720 like that. It never really works out that way, but 1:09:56.880 --> 1:10:01.400 I want what I want to But how I wanted 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:05.120 to look. I guess she's a girl. Um, I want 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:09.800 her to look like um me, I guess okay, maybe 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:19.439 that's okay now sorry me with like forcey hair, that 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:25.880 would be cool, Yes, beautiful kinky afro hair. Who are 1:10:25.920 --> 1:10:29.880 you getting the passion from the heart of this artist? Passion? 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:34.599 What do you mean in terms of delivery? Delivery? How 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:39.400 you feel it? Phil? Who makes me feel? Which one 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:41.800 of all the artists you've named? Who are you going 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:46.439 to take the emotion from fantasia? Yeah? Because like us 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:55.639 oh my god, I wish everybody, yes, that woman is annointed. 1:10:55.760 --> 1:11:00.600 She's a preacher saying, and I purposely I wouldn't go 1:11:00.600 --> 1:11:04.320 out and watch her performer. I couldn't. I couldn't take 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:07.760 that every night. I couldn't. I couldn't dedicate my life 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:14.760 to the Lord I do. When I'm on stage with Jasmine, 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:18.000 I'm I'm a fan, so I'm so mesmerized. I damn 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:22.760 never forget what the fun I'm here. I'm chills. I've 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:26.080 never felt that was someone before on stage. Literally, she 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:28.960 gives me so much chills just being that close to 1:11:28.960 --> 1:11:33.880 her and hearing her. It's crazy monsters. People with that 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:38.200 kind of vocal will definitely derail any intentions that you 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:41.880 went out through. It happened to me with oh my God, 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:48.520 oh my god. It was supposed to be a duet. 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:56.160 It wasn't quite an it was Melana Adams. And it 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.559 wasn't that I didn't know what to do. I just 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:02.800 couldn't do anything. Yeah, I couldn't do anything. I was 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:06.400 standing there like, yeah, I'm gonna change my life. Like 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:14.440 the building, the entire built that was wild when I 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:19.840 experienced this is online if the entire when I say 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:26.759 building was shaking. Yeah, she's everything. It's like it's like that. 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:32.760 It's like, oh my god, not even close. It's like that, Yeah, 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:36.800 I need I need this, I need this from my soul. Um. 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.000 We got we got one more thing for you women. Yeah, 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:40.840 we got. We gotta a little part of the show. 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:46.559 It's a it's ain't saying on that. Oh my lord, 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:51.080 what the hell the story? What the is this? Yeah, yeah, 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:53.759 that's exactly what it is. Funnier fucked up are funny 1:12:53.800 --> 1:12:58.080 and funny and fucked up either one. Just a story 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:00.200 and it's just you just don't include no that sames 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:03.559 in it. Just of your travels, of my travels, you 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:04.920 know what I mean. When you were just like when 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:06.840 you you know, you literally was just saying like yo, 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:10.360 that was wow, this ship. I can't believe this ship. 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:13.360 Oh my god, of my travels, y'all. I don't know, 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:15.200 because it could be before the industry, could be in 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:17.240 the industry, could be whatever. But it's just you know, 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.599 a story that you just don't you don't put you know, 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:23.240 you put nobody else name in it, say no names, 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:25.519 look at you and while you're telling the story, but 1:13:26.120 --> 1:13:31.680 tell that story about me. You ain't saying no names. 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:38.160 I mean, it's bad. I shouldn't tell this. Okay, so bad, 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:42.040 it's good. Oh it's not good. I can't even tell 1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:44.880 you the whole thing. I just can't say no names, 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:49.840 just say you know names. It's this guy. He says 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:52.680 something so mean to me at a festival once, with 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:56.040 a smile on his face, and I was like, did 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:58.880 you really just say that? And he was just like, yeah, 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:01.080 I just said that. Can't even tell you what he said, 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:03.160 because it was the worst thing anyone's ever said to me, 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:06.679 one of the worst things. And I was I walked 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:08.519 away and I was like, I can't say it. I'm 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:11.840 embarrassed because it's it's so bad, it's terrible. It was 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:15.040 so mean and it wasn't true, it was it was 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:20.960 just it was so sad. Um was there, right? Um? 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:23.880 So I leave and I told my friend, you know what, 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:31.040 I'm gonna fight him. She was like, she was like no, 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.920 and she would not let me out the door. I've 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:39.160 superhuman strength, pushed her out the way, went out the 1:14:39.240 --> 1:14:43.080 stairs to find him, didn't see him, and went outside 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:46.240 to find him. Didn't see him. Then I catch him 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:51.280 in the hallway and three piece of yeah, and his 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:54.840 friend was so shocked. He he was about to square 1:14:54.920 --> 1:15:02.960 up right, he was work by girls. It happened so fast, 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:07.320 but I needed to do piece. That's what the security said. 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:11.880 I don't remember much. Are you black? Pretty much? But 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:15.200 I know I landed on the space. You know what. Yeah, 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:19.080 that might be the unexpected, that might be one of 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:23.280 the best. Really understand those names because it's so unexpected, 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:27.080 so funny. Look how you're telling so it's really yeah, 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:36.120 I just had to tell them what you did and 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:42.320 tell them what you did. Yeah, it was that's amazing. 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:51.880 Really No, no, no, I'm not No, no, I don't 1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:56.040 want to create this delusion that I'm an amazing fighter. 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:59.840 I don't want people to come up to you just 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:04.080 you just had a great moment and it should be celebrated. 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:08.519 It's a beautiful Mari three piece, But I don't want 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:11.880 to be fighting. People know you're gonna been gonna take 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:17.800 this nickname the three piece. The three piece is security right. 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:21.679 Security is prevention right, And so when they hear three piece, 1:16:21.960 --> 1:16:30.280 they're gonna know I am not a fighter. I am 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:34.840 not a violent person in a relationship. This is not 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:38.240 like I'm not going around punching mabu. This this was 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:43.720 just disrespect. It was it was just it was like 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:47.120 this it felt like a reality show, like it was 1:16:47.240 --> 1:16:50.880 unreal what he said to me. It was like, I'm 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:53.439 so nice. Why are you being me? I like how 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:57.439 you came to the decision though, Yeah, I'm going to 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:00.320 fight him. Yeah, I was sure I should fight him. 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:06.280 I was sure I should. You proceed to get to 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:11.200 it is. That is admirable because disrespect has to be 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:19.240 met with. You gonna learn to respect me. I always 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:23.400 doesn't always, but some people need to know he did 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:26.000 because that was wild. Some people need to know. We 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:34.640 believe in that A three piece Linux we are. We 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:41.200 are elated that you stopped by to give us a 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:46.440 little bit of your time, a little bit of your energy, um, 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:49.559 a little bit of your gift insight, where you've been, 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:53.000 where you're going. This was beautiful and we encourage you. 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:58.519 Thank you with with all that you have and with 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:03.200 all that you can keep going. Please keep going. Will 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:06.200 I'm gonna stop being We're gonna keep supporting Strange. Thank you. 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:12.080 I'm gonna be in the comments. Yeah, he gonna definitely 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:16.960 be in the college. I'm working on it. You work 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:23.840 with you and you anytime do this available. I would 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:26.920 love that time of the day, already thinking about the 1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:35.080 next project. Right, that's expensive. That looks ex vocals. What 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:38.960 you have you can't saying you can't get on that. Yeah, 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:43.800 what we're doing, don't play with no vocals that I'm 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:47.120 sorry for accident. That's fine. Fine, A couple, got a 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:51.280 couple more here, you're a couple more. Wow, that looks 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:54.599 like a very This is the place where you get sing. Yeah. Yeah, 1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:57.040 I would love that and enjoy yourself. So anytime we 1:18:57.080 --> 1:19:01.720 are available to you, and because you too, Okay, I'm serious, No, 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:07.040 I need y'all. I mentioned it on my live and 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:13.479 I'm serious. I love that. 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