1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: of Joe with LaVar airings rating Win and Jonas Knox 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: on box or radio. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: There are a couple of investigations going on in MLB 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: and the NBA. So there is an MLB investigation into 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Cleveland Guardians pitcher Louise or Tez all right, there were 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: some there's some shady betting activity, and so they're looking 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: into a couple of pitches. You could bet on the 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: first pitch of an inning, will it be a ball? 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: And so there was some suspicious betting activity with a 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: couple of these instances, and he's just bouncing these these pitches. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: So it's like, all right, they're investigating that. There's also 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: a federal investigation into NBA player Malik Beasley. There is 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: some suspicious betting activity. They're looking into it. Was he 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: providing information that he shouldn't have been. Was he trying to, 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, cover the spread or do some suspicious 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: things with its prop bets. 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: So they're investigating these things. And when it. 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: Comes to this, I'm sure you've heard it. I've heard 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: it many many times. You'll hear people say these leagues 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: are so hypocritical, and I want to yell with a megaphone, no, 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: they're not. Like they have partnerships with sports betting companies 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: and then they punish players for betting on sports. That 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: might seem hypocritical. It's not hypocritical. Like just because the NFL, NBA, MLB, 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: whatever it happens to be, because they have partnerships with 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: sports books, that doesn't mean that the players can just 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: bet on any sport they want, including the sports that 28 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: they play. There are still rules here, So to act 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: like that's hypocritical, it doesn't make sense to me. You 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: don't think the same way when it comes to alcohol companies, right, 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: Like there are alcohol partnerships between leagues and those companies. 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the players can just drive drunk 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: and get away with it. It doesn't mean because I 34 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: don't know the NBA has a partnership with michelob Ultra 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: or whatever it happens to be, that a power forward 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: can just shot gun beers and team meetings. It's like, 37 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: you can't do anything to maam. You got this partnership over, 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: you still have rules. It's not hypocritical to still enforce 39 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 2: the rules that you have even though you have those partnerships. 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: So the alcohol one is the one I always refer 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 4: back to when it comes to this discussion, right, because 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: you know, if a player drives drunk, which is obviously 43 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 4: they should never do, right, and there's an unfortunate accident, 44 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: or they get arrested or there's a dui, you know, 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: no one, everyone always says, well, the player's responsibility right 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: to make sure they get home safely. They set up 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: a car ride for the you know, car service for themselves, 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: they uber. But then when a player gets caught gambling, 49 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: it's the gambling company's responsibility for them to No, it's 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 4: not right. It's you're an adult. There are rules set 51 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: in place. You have to follow the rules. Drinking and 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: driving is illegal. Because the NFL is in bed with 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: or has deals with uh, you know, beer companies, doesn't 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: mean you're allowed to do that, right. It doesn't mean 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: that there's undue influence on players to drink. I always 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 4: see when there's you know, the Ortez report came out. 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: You know, there's always be replies on social media saying 58 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: like brought to you by Fandel, brought you by DraftKings, 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, when there's a dui that say, 60 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: brought to you by bud Light. No, no fan says that, Right, 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: it's the player responsibility. I'm like, it's the same thing here, 62 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: it's the it's the now you you can say all 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: these things are true about these two stories, right, they're 64 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: different for why the player we think was gambling, but 65 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: that the legal sports wagering has made it easier and 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: more readily available player props. Right for players that they're 67 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: playing in a game, to wager on them or against them, 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: that was not available, And bro, I'm not I'm sure 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: you were wagering before legal sports wagering became allowed. You know, 70 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: those websites very rarely offered a big menu of player props, 71 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: and they might have a starting pitcher player prop, or 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: they might have a you know, Lebron James special. But 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 4: finding something on Ortiz every you know, first pitch of 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: thirty was not available, right, Finding player props on Malik 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: Beasley was probably not available every night. Okay, now they're 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: more available. Okay, that's true. So those markets are able 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: to be taking advantage of if you, if you would 78 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: like to, and so the players would not be doing 79 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: these things if it wasn't available to them, but also 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: because it's available, there are checks and bounces put in place. 81 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: We talked yesterday on our Sunday show with With with 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: Ben MGM's leading trader, right, and we asked him this question. 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, look, I see every wager that comes in. 84 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 4: I can tell if there's an abnormal wager immediately and 85 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: I go through the process of alerting everyone about the 86 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 4: wager and let's investigate the wager. So you know those 87 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: are both, you know they go hand in hand. Right, 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: We have local sports wager and we also have checks 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: and bounces put in place for these instances. And I 90 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: thought about Ortiz yesterday, right, So they wager on two 91 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 4: first pitches in two different games of an inning. I 92 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 4: found it yesterday a market on one of the sports 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: books for the first pitch of an inning. And I 94 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: was watching the Indian, the Guardians and Tigers player. I 95 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: was watching a Scooball pitch yesterday. First pitch of the game. 96 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 4: Brian right down the middle ball called the ball clearly 97 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 4: a strike, clearly a strike like Scoobol was like this 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 4: Gland turn to bunt And I was like, if you 99 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: had first I mean, first pitch strike was probably laying 100 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: one point fifty, right, I mean Scoobl's pitching, and I 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 4: can imagine the you're of someone who bet on this market, 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 4: but it's also a very small market, like you're just 103 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: not gonna get this market and put that a lot 104 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: of money. So the artist thing is fact be the 105 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: same thing. Seems like he was in a lot of 106 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: debt and needed the money for to get out of debts. 107 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: The artist thing, I don't I don't get the purpose 108 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 4: of it because you're not making a lot of money 109 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 4: betting on the first pitch of an inning. So that one, 110 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see what the investigation fishing. And lastly, 111 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: the reason why sports leagues are so harsh on punishing 112 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: people that gamble on their sport, they're way it's way 113 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: more harsh than anyone that's committed you know, domestic violence, 114 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: right a dui. It's more because and you don't want 115 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: to watch a baseball game where tons of baseball on 116 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: today and think to yourself, these players are not playing 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: for the competition of the game. They're playing because they're 118 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 4: trying to throw an in or throw or throw in 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: a bat or miss a shot or football is almost 120 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: impossible to fix it, but like drop a pass, you know, 121 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: like you want everyone to watch the sport, knowing the 122 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 4: players are in it for the competition of the game, 123 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: and so that's why they're so harsh on it. If 124 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: e Otis will be we'll get a lifetime ban if 125 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: they find out he was part of this, one hundred percent, 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: and he will deserve that. Just don't do it. Like, 127 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: don't do it. There's no there's no outcome that ends 128 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: with you being profitable as a player participating in gambling. 129 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: Well, I would hope there have been enough stories and 130 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: enough investigations and enough punishments, you know, like John Say 131 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: Porter is banned for life, and now we have another 132 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: investigation with Malik Beasley. We'll see what happens with Luiz Ortiz. 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: But I would hope that professional athletes, now Jeff would 134 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: look at this. 135 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: And it really. 136 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: Like, if I go down this road, I am literally 137 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: gambling with my career here, you know, because a lot 138 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: of these guys, I'm sure if Malik Beasley did anything 139 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: improper or Luise Ortiz did anything improper, and I don't 140 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: know that for. 141 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: Sure, let's just say they did. 142 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure they went about it thinking I'm not gonna 143 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: get caught. You're thinking like that, like who's gonna find 144 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: this out? You know, But you really have to think about, 145 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm gambling with my career here. They're monitoring this stuff 146 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: so closely that if anything pops up and it raises 147 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: a red flag, they're gonna start sniffing around. They're gonna 148 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: start investigating, and if they can connect dots or somebody 149 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: talks or what have you, my career could be over. 150 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: You have to look at it like that. You are 151 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: literally gambling with your career. 152 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: If you're trying to doctor your props or you're trying 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: to bounce a pitch and cash in on that ball, 154 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 2: first pitch on the top of the third, like, you 155 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: gotta think you're gambling with your career. And the other 156 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: thing I think of is I think to a lot 157 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: of people, there are a lot of people Jeff, that 158 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: they just don't embrace sports betting. That's fine, they're not gamblers, 159 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: they don't. 160 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: Go down that road. 161 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: And now they're having to hear about it day in 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: and day out. So if you're one of those people 163 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't even do it, I don't 164 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: care about it, and all I hear now, is are 165 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: they gonna cover the spread? I don't care about the spread? 166 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: Is the game gonna go under? I don't care about 167 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: under overspread? There are a lot of people like that. Yeah, 168 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: and now that you're hearing, hey, there's another player being investigated. 169 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: There's this other player. There's another of this, there's another 170 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: that they're thinking. I didn't have to hear about any 171 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: of this stuff before sports betting became legalized. And so 172 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people that think like that, 173 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: and they're over it. Man, they've been over it. So 174 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: to them, I could see how it seems like, man, 175 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: this whole thing is. 176 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: Just off the rails. Used to be like that. 177 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 2: But really what it is, it's the checks and balances 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: working out where you don't get away with this. 179 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: I mean, we talk about analytics either launch angle and 180 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: uh and you know and e p A and d 181 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: v O A. I mean, and people don't sort of 182 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 4: have the same reaction over that, right. I Mean the 183 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: thing about that, I just uh find so fascinating about 184 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 4: the way we talk about me and you. But the 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: way that people that don't like gambling talk about it, 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 4: or is that like they pretend that gambling just started 187 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 4: five years ago like that. People just I mean there's 188 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: there are announcers, play by play guys that we have 189 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: always talked about for years before that, like like Michel 190 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: Michaels and Musburger who started a gambling media company. But 191 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: al's always been like very famous, like pro spread over 192 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: the years, and so you know, it's it's been talked 193 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 4: about just quietly. Now can we talked about in the 194 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 4: open and a lot of and I think I don't 195 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: even realize personally that there are friends are people I 196 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: meet that gamble on sports. I just had no idea, 197 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: Like I just there's a lot of people that do 198 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: it and casually a couple of bucks here and there. 199 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: They're not like me and you. They're not you know, 200 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: texting about w NBA games and looking for edges and 201 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: those spot I just bet the underdogs. It seems to 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: be a good edge right now in the center playing 203 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: the fever. Those are the two w A edges. All 204 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: three dogs cover again yesterday. Man, these dogs are covering 205 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: at a high rate w NBA right now and a 206 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: lot of a lot of people are gambling. So it's 207 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: it's just it's being talked about. And if you don't 208 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: like it. I don't know what to tell you. You 209 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: don't know how to help you feel better about it, 210 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: other than I watch other stuff where people talk about things. 211 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 4: I just ignore it. I don't know what that's I said. 212 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: I just ignore it. 213 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to be catered to your exact liking. 214 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: It'd be like someone saying, why do I have to 215 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: hear about in the NFL all day every day? It's like, 216 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: have you seen their ratings? 217 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: That's why. 218 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: And to your point, sports betting is just gonna get 219 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: bigger and bigger. It's as big as it's ever been 220 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: and it'll be bigger at this time next year, So 221 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: you're gonna hear about it quite a bit. 222 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 223 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 224 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific 225 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 226 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: Hey, what's up everybody? 227 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 5: It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington, and I 228 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 5: couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up 229 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 5: on Game? 230 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: What is up on Game? 231 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: You asked, along with my fellow pro Bowler, TJ. 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Think 241 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: it does a great job on FS one's the facility. 242 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: So he brought up, hey has the Super Bowl drought 243 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: for the Kansas City Chiefs started? There was a drought 244 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: with Tom Brady went about a decade between Super Bowl rings, 245 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: and so Acho was wondering out loud, if anything, or 246 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: at least posing the question, is this the same sort 247 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: of thing that we're gonna see from Patrick Mahomes and 248 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Now we do have the clip. I think 249 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: the extended version is is worth your time. It's only 250 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: a minute here, but he explains the why he thinks 251 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: this might be a thing for Mahomes and the Chiefs. 252 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: Check it out. 253 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 6: Has a Super Bowl drought for the Kansas the Chiefs started. 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 6: Here's why I suggest that we all forget in the 255 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 6: midst of praising Tom Brady, which we absolutely should, the 256 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 6: Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl for ten years from 257 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 6: two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, they did not 258 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 6: win a championship. They won three ten year break three. 259 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes has already won his three. Are we in 260 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 6: the midst of his ten year hiatus. Why I'm suggesting 261 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 6: that is the Eagles from a roster perspective, are way, way, way, 262 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 6: way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. The Baltimore 263 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 6: Ravens from a roster perspective. 264 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: Are way, way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. 265 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 6: The Buffalo Bills from a roster perspective are not way 266 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 6: better than the Kansas City Chiefs, but they are starting 267 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 6: to close the gap. 268 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: The Chargers, they are up and coming. 269 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh, in his second year with the San Francisco 270 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 6: forty nine Ers went to the Super Bowl. It's Jim 271 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 6: harbaugh second year with the Los Angeles Chargers. Who knows 272 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 6: what can happen? Is has the drought begun for the 273 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 6: Kansas City Chiefs and has everybody just afraid to say 274 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 6: it because it is sacrilegious to talk about Patrick Mahomes 275 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 6: and it's sacrilegious to talk about Andy Reid has a 276 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 6: drought with go Now. 277 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: I do like the end part that was cut off there. 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: I like Will Blackman his response to it. It's only 279 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: like a second check it out. 280 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: Hell no, this is crazy. 281 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: He's not buying it. Not buying the Chiefs ten year drought? 282 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: Are you not buying this as well? 283 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: Jeff? Well, the Chiefs just playing in Super Bowl, so 284 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: the drought hasn't even begun yet. So it feels early 285 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: to declare a Super Bowl drought without actually happening, right, 286 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I get if they had it was a 287 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: couple of years removed from a super Bowl they just 288 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: played in one last season. Tom Brady's Patriots did not 289 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: play in Super Bowl from the last one they won, 290 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: right in four to seven, right where they ended up 291 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: losing to the Giants and lost again and eleven to 292 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 4: the Giants, Right that was, and then one and fourteen again. Right. 293 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: I think people look at the Super Bowl and really 294 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: really in general standalone games, and often we have it 295 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: to stew on for a while, and we overcomplicate our 296 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: analysis of it, right because it's the last game we 297 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: saw and the Egos thoroughly dominated the Chiefs, absolutely did. 298 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: But it was just one game, right in the NFL. 299 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: One game, and we know that year to year, the 300 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: NFL is different league, right. What happens in one year 301 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 4: is not certainly happened in the next season. But let's 302 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: look at the Chiefs and think about what they've done 303 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: over these years, and they're one of the teams you 304 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: can rely on. Right, we know every year they're going 305 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: to be one of the best and then one of 306 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: the best. Because Mahomes is really good, as we know, 307 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: and I think he'll use last year's motivation. A lot 308 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: of people are saying Mahomes is not the player he 309 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: used to be. The deep passing is not there, and 310 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: there's a decline coming at some point. Well, probably the 311 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: deep passing was not there last season because the roster 312 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: was not good on that side of the ball. Right. 313 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: Travis Kelce is entering year whatever thirteen. Even entering last season, 314 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: my thought about his play was confirmed in the first 315 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 4: three weeks. I thought he was going to be like 316 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: late Rob Gronkowski. If you remember Rob Right, who just 317 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: sort of was on the roster with Tampa Bay, but 318 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 4: just was there for the big games, the big moment. 319 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: He showed up. The rest of the season, didn't didn't 320 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: know he existed. That's what I thought. The Chief's planning 321 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 4: for Kelsey was last season until ray she Rice got 322 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: hurt in Week four and then Mahomes looks around and 323 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: on offense it's Travis kelcey, rookie, Xavier Worthy, and dudes, 324 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 4: because ray she Rice is hurt and Hollywood Brown does hurt, 325 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 4: they get to enter this training camp Xavier Worthy, year two, 326 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 4: Race she Rice healthy, Hollywood Brown healthy. It's a much 327 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: better offense. They fix the offense line issues, so they're 328 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: going to be in my opinion, the roster is better 329 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: than last season. So to say they're going to decline, 330 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 4: and they might. And Otcho made the point by the 331 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: roster right, the Baltimore roster, the Buffalo roster, those teams 332 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: can't be Chiefs in the matter of the roster, right like, So, 333 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: Baltimore and Buffalo I think are gonna be good. I 334 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 4: think in Buffalo to me will be the one seed. 335 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: They gotta prove they could beat Kansas City because no 336 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: matter what roster the Chiefs show up with the postseason, 337 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 4: they can't beat the Chiefs, Brian so till someone actually 338 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 4: beats him, and that one team has been the Bengals, 339 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: by the way, who have done it consistently. Unless you 340 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: can beat a team consistently, I can't say that other 341 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: team is in decline. So I get we're trying to 342 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 4: knock the Chiefs off at some point. It's boring to 343 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: talk about them all the time. I'm with the idea 344 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 4: of that, but until someone does it, I can't say 345 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 4: the Chiefs are dead right now. 346 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: No, I can't either. 347 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: And the first part when he's explaining it, where I'm like, wait, oh, 348 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: I raise my hand. 349 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: I got a question here. 350 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: Do you agree with this that the Eagles and the 351 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: Ravens are way, way, way, way way better from a 352 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: roster perspective than the Chiefs. 353 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. 354 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the Chiefs are better a quarterback than 355 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 4: the Eagles. Yeah, it's probably about it though, position wise, right, 356 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: But they're not that. I mean, they're not that. It's 357 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 4: not that. It's not way way way, way way. But 358 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: now the thinking about the Chiefs though, is that they 359 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: overcome roster deficiencies, And it's really essentially three ways, right, 360 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: which is coaching, right, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and I 361 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 4: think on defense they're just they're very sound on defense, 362 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: that they have their style of play, and they don't 363 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: make money. And there is a value to this. I 364 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: say it's all time in sports man, there's a value 365 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 4: in not losing games, right, Yeah, And the Chiefs don't 366 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: lose games. Now, they might play sloppy at times, but 367 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 4: they don't. A lot of teams. You watch bad football. 368 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: We watched bad bet on bad Football unt all the time. 369 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: The bad teams are just lose games by doing dumb 370 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: things and making Chiefs don't do stuff like that. 371 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: Well, the thing with the Eagles is they've lost a lot. 372 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: They lost a lot of play is like one, they 373 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: lost their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore now the head coach 374 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: with the Saints. They lost eight key members of their defense. 375 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: Like some of these guys that contributed in a big way, 376 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: especially in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat gone, Milton Williams gone, 377 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: Darius slay Is gone. Now he was banged up, underperforming, 378 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: but he's gone. Makai Beckton offensive lineman gone. All these 379 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: dudes are gone. So and also you look at the 380 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: cornerback depth. 381 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: No CJ. 382 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: Gardner, Johnson, NOA. Vonte Maddox, Like, that's a lot of 383 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: talent that is not there. So I don't think that 384 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: the roster is leaps and bounds better than the Chiefs. 385 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: The Chiefs they get Rushie Rice back. I think the 386 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: offensive line should be better. Yeah, and then you're talking 387 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: about their defense was fourth in scoring defense. The Eagles 388 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: were second, but the Chiefs are right there. 389 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of two pros and 390 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 391 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six AMAS daring three am Pacific. 392 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: You see this Bronnie James. 393 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: Bronnie James scored ten points in a Summer League game 394 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: yesterday against the Miami Heat in only ten minutes. 395 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: How about that one point per minute? 396 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: It feels like he might be good enough to like 397 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 4: be a a backup like no an NBA. Like if 398 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: he wasn't Lebron's like, kid, would would he be a 399 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 4: backup an NBA? He would be right. 400 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it's possible. 401 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: You know the thing that never gets thrown into the 402 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: Bronnie James discussion is like the dude had a near 403 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: death episode in college at USC at cardiac arrest. You know, 404 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: it's kind of a big deal in your NBA development, 405 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: you know, and like this guy is talented player. I 406 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: know some people are just rolling their eyes just like. 407 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: He wouldn't be in the NBA. You can't get me. 408 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: They wouldn't be in the NBA. 409 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: Without Lebron probably probably at this stage, yes, but at 410 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: any stage you don't know that for sure. 411 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: So you're acting like this guy was in. 412 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 2: College for like three or four years, was a total dud, 413 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 2: had no like medical hardship of any note, you know, 414 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: that played any significant part in his his basketball journey. 415 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: Like all those things. 416 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: He was what one year in college he had the 417 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 2: cardiac arrest. That's a lot going on, man, So to 418 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: act like after one year of summer League, this is 419 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: all it's ever gonna be. 420 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: I just don't agree with that. 421 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that, you know, he 422 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 4: he probably doesn't get the chance to be in the 423 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 4: NBA and without his dad based off of his his 424 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: play at right at USC. Right Like that's that's I 425 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 4: think it's certainly fair to say that maybe he would 426 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 4: have gone a two way contract, a summer league contract, 427 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: things like that. In this it's all fair to say 428 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 4: that that's you know, that's possible. But I think since 429 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: he's been in the league, I mean, he and this, 430 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 4: I was looking runw he had seventeen points in a 431 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: game like that's not nothing. He had nine points in 432 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 4: another game, like it's not it's not nothing that he 433 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 4: that he he scored. He started slow in his career, 434 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 4: to play a couple of minutes here and there, but 435 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: it's sort of the last, you know, the last sort 436 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 4: of month he got to play a little bit more. 437 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 4: He was got a little bit better, and we saw 438 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: the summer league yesterday or was it two days ago, 439 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: how much he's gonna I think he's going to be 440 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 4: fine eventually. So I mean it's fair to say two 441 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: days one not in NBA went out his dad. But 442 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 4: also I find it pretty cool if I was in 443 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: this situation, I don't think I'll be in the situation 444 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: to play in the NFL with my son if I yeah, yeah, 445 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 4: as I sit here with like a with a towel 446 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: behind my back to stretch my back out, so it's 447 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 4: not too tight. Sitting here as we do this. I look, 448 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 4: I think it's it's super cool that he gets to 449 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: choose to play with this kid. I love it. I 450 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 4: think it's it's great. He's not taking a roster spot 451 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: from anybody, you like, all these things like you're just 452 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 4: like whatever. Man, He's just on the roster. Like it's 453 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: not a big deal. Lebron's good enough to be able 454 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: to demand essentially this to happen. It's not hurt anyone. 455 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 4: No one else on the no one else who would 456 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: know me be in the roster is taking getting a 457 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: roster spot taken up by Brownie. He's not plain enough 458 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: to really matter at all anyways. But then when he 459 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 4: gets a little bit of time thirty minutes here, thirty 460 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: minutes there, we see a little bit of improvement in 461 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: Summer League, a little bit of improvement. And I think 462 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 4: that the more time he gets, the more it's being 463 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 4: justified that he is in the NBA. And I think 464 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: that's kind of my point, is like he's he's good 465 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: enough with more time to show that the talent is there. 466 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: If you give him some more minutes, you can see 467 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 4: a role for him in the NBA is a back. 468 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: It was never going to be a starter, but his 469 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 4: role from as a backup, And I'm glad you mentioned 470 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: the thing that here Cardiac evented us see like that's important. 471 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: He didn't really play a Streshman season, so we never 472 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 4: even got to see it. 473 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the thing is. 474 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: I think the disconnect here I understand where there are 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 2: a lot of people that have an issue with it. 476 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: They don't like the nepotism thing, and it's like, Okay, 477 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: I get your criticism. 478 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: I understand that. 479 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: But the disconnect and the divide is like where there's 480 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: a four K in a road, you go that way, 481 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: I go this other way. Is you're acting like anyone 482 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: who got an opportunity due to nepotism never panned out 483 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: to be anything, you know what I mean? Like that 484 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: there's a difference right there. Okay, you're bent about the 485 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: initial opportunity. Okay, I can't tell you you're automatically wrong 486 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: if that's how you feel. But if you think that 487 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: Bronni will never be any good whatsoever just because he 488 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: got that initial opportunity because of nepotism. 489 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. 490 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: Like, think how many opportunities have come over the years, 491 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: whether it's an athlete in basketball or football, or like ownership. 492 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: Think about how many times like a guy owns a 493 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: team and then passes it on to his kids who 494 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: never would have gotten that opportunity if not for that nepotism, 495 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: and then turned out to be really good at what 496 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: they did as well. 497 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: Like that happens. 498 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: Just because you get an opportunity that you probably wouldn't 499 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: have gotten if not for that relationship or if not 500 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: for that nepotism. That doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to 501 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: failure and you're never going to be anything. 502 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: So that's right. 503 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: I can understand people being upset about it. 504 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not, but if you are, I get it. 505 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: But to act like he's never going to amount to 506 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 2: something because he initially got that opportunity you thought he 507 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: didn't deserve, I just don't agree with that. There are 508 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: many examples of that being the case where they do 509 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 2: pan out and they are good at something they wouldn't 510 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: have gotten. Opportunity in happens a lot. 511 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 4: It happens a lot. And look, I understand if you 512 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: know you are getting passed up for jobs because nepotism. 513 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 4: I get how that would make someone. I mean, I mean, 514 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: you know, in the sports media world, Brian get passed 515 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 4: up for not nepotism, just like what's the right way 516 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: to put it, like, uh, cloud nepotism Like you play 517 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 4: more years? Right, Like it happens all the time. So 518 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 4: I certainly get that feeling. I totally get it. But 519 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: then if someone gets that opportunity and does really well, 520 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 4: I have to just be like, yeah, like they got 521 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 4: the job, and maybe I would have done as well, 522 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: but they've earned that opportunity. Now that they've gone in, 523 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: they've earned that chance. I would imagine that, you know, 524 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: you know, uh, what's uh, what's Iron Eagle's son. Noah's 525 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 4: really good. I'm sure people really good. 526 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 527 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: I can't believe he's getting a job over me. 528 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: Call it Olympic basketball. He's done a great job. Will 529 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: be the NBC. 530 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. So there are there are chang there are 531 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: times when they do end up you ends up panning 532 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 4: out and look again for Bronny. The the best case scenarios, 533 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: he is a career backup. You know, he he plays 534 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: six seven years. Maybe he's a two way deal, or 535 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 4: he goes overseas for a few years. 536 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: Like that's it. 537 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: It's it's not no harm, no foul, right, He's not 538 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: taking a rospot from anybody. And the guy who brought 539 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: you a championship and is the face of your team 540 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 4: in your league and Lebron gets to be happy to 541 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: play with this kid. Yeah, I mean feels like really harmless. Brian. 542 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think people are are very worked up, 543 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: and it might stem from, Hey, I'm incredibly fond of Lebron, 544 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: and now we get nepotism and now we're off and running, 545 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, and people. 546 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: Are the Lebron hate to me just seems so misguided. 547 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 4: Sometimes I just don't get it. He is, he has 548 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 4: never gotten in trouble. 549 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: I know. 550 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like you where yeah, I'll let you finish. 551 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: I mean to butt in, but I'm with you on 552 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: this where I don't understand why you can't be more 553 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: like a waffle as a sports fan, you know what 554 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: I mean, where a waffle has these sections, it's like 555 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 2: everything blends together. It's my sister told me about this 556 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: book where it's like men are like waffles, women are 557 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: like spaghetti. 558 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: You know, where I don't. 559 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: Know if you have a thing at your job, and 560 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: then it's this relationship with the family men, and everything's together. 561 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: You know, everything blends together. Men can separate and compartmentalize 562 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: a lot. Sports fans sure can't. I don't know what 563 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: it is. If you dislike Lebron in any capacity, about 564 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: any opinion he shared, or whatever the reason is. Somehow 565 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: they cannot separate that from Lebron James the basketball player, 566 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: Lebron James the athlete. It all blends together, and it's ridiculous. 567 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: You gotta separate stuff. I'll never I don't mean to 568 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: go on a rant, Jeff, but I remember doing radio 569 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: at the time when Michael Vick was back in the NFL. 570 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: This is after the dog fighting thing, and I can't 571 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: tell you how many people would call in he shouldn't 572 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: be considered for the MVP he was. I'm like, that 573 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: has fighting dogs, has nothing to do with his MVP credentials. 574 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: Nothing. You gotta get over it. It doesn't even apply. 575 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: But people are trying to shoehorn it in there, and 576 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: it's like, you gotta separate stuff, and people cannot separate 577 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: stuff when it comes to Lebron how they feel about 578 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: him and how unbelievable he's been throughout his career. 579 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 4: But I don't even I understand why people would be 580 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: would be like anti Michael Vick. Okay, I don't know 581 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: what Lebron has done to where you would be anti fair. 582 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: It's like, I just don't know what he's done. He 583 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: eleven years ago he did an hour long special with 584 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 4: it raised three million dollars pretty for the Boys and 585 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 4: Girls Club. You know, I just I don't know what 586 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: he what he did. He's a little corny with Taco 587 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: Tuesday sometimes. I don't know. He's in mid forties, dad. 588 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I would imagine my kids probably feel him 589 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: a little corny sometimes too. I'm not forty quite yet, 590 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: but may. 591 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: He's definitely got an ego, he definitely. 592 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: But who doesn't have an ego. He's he's the best 593 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: player for twenty years. 594 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: It's been hard not to have an ego. That's fair. 595 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 3: But I'm just trying to I don't hate him for 596 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: these reasons. 597 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: Why I know, but it just seems so like I 598 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 4: get if you don't like ex player because they had 599 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 4: an off the court incident, right or he said he Actually, 600 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty remarkable that there's some superstars like 601 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 4: him that have just never had Like, think about all 602 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 4: the attention he's had the spotlight since he was sixteen 603 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 4: years old playing for who was who he played for? 604 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: Was it not? Okay? Okill's St Mary's Sat Mary's. Yeah, 605 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: like he was on Sports Illustrated. 606 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: Like fifteen years old and never not one scandal. 607 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: Scandal is his son plays with him for the Lakers. 608 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: I know, it's wild, right, Like, and think of some 609 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: of the scandals that we've had of in recent years, 610 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: whether it's Deshaun Watson, Justin Talker, what have you could 611 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: just you know, rattle stuff off left and right. 612 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 4: Justin Tucker, by the way, so innocent that he he 613 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 4: accepted the right. 614 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: You know, I won't fight this ten game suspension even 615 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: though I'm completely innocent. 616 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: That that adds up. But yeah, like. 617 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: You could be bent over those things. That's something to 618 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: be upset about, Yeah, something to be angered about. Yeah, 619 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: but Lebron, I don't know, doing these goofy things begging 620 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: for more attention, which, yeah, you can roll your eyes 621 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: from time to time, but in comparison to those other things, 622 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: it's pretty ridiculous to really be upset about that. But yeah, man, 623 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: that's the way it goes. It's weird, it's strange how 624 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: that goes. But I think that factors into like put 625 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: it this way, who's who's an athlete that is so 626 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: well liked that if his son got an opportunity he 627 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: otherwise wouldn't have gotten. People wouldn't have been nearly as 628 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: upset about is there someone like Steph Curry. I don't 629 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: like Steph Curry's son gets an opportunity. I don't think 630 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: people would be nearly as. 631 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark's daughter. 632 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: I know they would. They would be irate about that. 633 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 4: It was so angry. I don't know, I don't, I 634 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, it's just so unlikely to see 635 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 4: because it's funny. Is I was too young for the 636 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: Griffy thing? It was anyone like when King Griffey obviously 637 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 4: was a Hall of fame, which makes it, you know, 638 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 4: if Brownie was better, I think people would look at 639 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: it a little differently because a lot of times when 640 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 4: father son duos have played, it's been they've both been 641 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: really superstars, right, been really good, and Bronnie just is not. 642 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 4: And again he's a backup in the NBA at best. 643 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 4: I'm trying think of another player that people would be 644 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: this upset if they're if they're their their kid. 645 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 3: Oh as upset. 646 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 2: I could come up with the athletes like that, but 647 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: the opposite like not upset. You know they're they're so popular, 648 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: you're really not upset that his got this opportunity. 649 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: I think I think Steph could be on the list. 650 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 3: Steph is very well. 651 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 4: Very positive, could be thinking of any like any like 652 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: football players. 653 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 3: Like Mahome's kid. I don't know. 654 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 4: People people would not like that. That that feels impossible 655 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 4: to happen. Let me think of uh, could. 656 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: You before Aaron Rodgers kid? 657 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 3: Oh tote past? 658 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 4: We don't even I'm just I'm looking forward to seeing 659 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 4: the wife. The wife has been. 660 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 3: Just hiding everything in his per. 661 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 4: We've seen Otani's wife, like we've seen her before, like 662 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 4: she's been to some events, and yes, he does a 663 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 4: good job of hiding her, which is, uh, you know, 664 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: I don't know how they do it. I mean, obviously 665 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 4: that's incredible that that think about Towni's fame and that 666 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: we just really don't see his wife ever. 667 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty wild, crazy. 668 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 4: Like that's it's incredible how they're able to again it's 669 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 4: a great work life balance. If you can achieve that, 670 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 4: I mean, that's fantastic. I know some athletes just you 671 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 4: could do that. And oh Tani, can you know he 672 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: was like plus two fifty to one m v P 673 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 4: this year, Like the numbers seems so low, but I'm 674 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: gonna cash that chicken. 675 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 3: Very easily, no doubt. 676 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I haven't heard the same venom with like 677 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: Giannice's brother, you know, with Fanasis in the n b A. 678 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 4: I haven't no one better is better, worse than lebron 679 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 4: than Brownny. 680 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: We need to have one on one, one on one 681 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: competition