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Speaker 1: What's up Portland? Oh my god, of course of course

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Speaker 1: you did. Of course you want the noise contest.

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Speaker 2: You blew back my things. There's so loud.

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Speaker 3: Blowing behind you, purely from noise. Yes, yeah, so good

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Speaker 3: to see you again, Portland.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while. How are you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we knew we had to add you guys on

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Speaker 4: this little trip that we're taking of touring because you're

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Speaker 4: so always, so supportive of us, and we appreciate that

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Speaker 4: song day one. Yeah you know that because they're the

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Speaker 4: cool kids too.

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Speaker 3: They're the ones who know, Yeah, they're the ones who

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Speaker 3: drink the drink special and get all fucked up and

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Speaker 3: then like fight in the aisle.

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Speaker 2: And shit like.

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Speaker 4: They're the ones riding their bikes naked down the street.

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Speaker 2: And got to rise up naked and get on that bike.

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Speaker 3: Was anyone that's here today at the naked bike ride today?

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Speaker 2: Are you still naked? Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: It would be so amazing if four people were just

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Speaker 2: In a grand theater like this.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I just took a Oh what's it

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Speaker 3: There's like a bill wheel of fortune where you find

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Speaker 4: Two of my best friends in the world, Kate A.

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Speaker 4: Maddox and Carrie Sellen Better are here and they were backstage.

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Speaker 4: We were being very loud, I'm sure everyone noticed, and

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Speaker 4: Kate whips out a thing of nicotine pouches. She was like,

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Speaker 4: to do two shots tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's like a lot and I've already had like a

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to say this, but that's such a

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Speaker 3: like forty year old way of partying.

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Speaker 4: Or it's like you, guys, I'm high on nicotine patches.

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Speaker 2: It's like either a twelve year old way or a

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Speaker 2: forty year old way. I mean, it works either way,

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Speaker 2: I think. But yeah, it's so funnier.

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, no, we're not doing lines of

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Speaker 3: Pope before the show. That's crazy doing Nicorette.

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Speaker 4: So if I'm obnoxious, it's her fault. It's not sure

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Speaker 4: it's my mom's fault, really, but.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately it's a is the mother's father. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Jane should tell them about Should I tell them about

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Speaker 4: So we went to Boston and I flew my mom

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Speaker 4: in for live shows my mom and stepdad. It was

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Speaker 4: in the lobby. We'd all just flown in, and her

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Speaker 4: fucking front tooth is missing. It's like the nub her

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Speaker 3: Off, and the way just as a like outside non

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Speaker 3: Those people rule. That's a whole almost better way to party.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's totally fine.

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Speaker 4: But I got my vanity from my mom and she's

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Speaker 4: special filming thing without your front fucking two So you're

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Speaker 4: Now, And then I said can I like, can I

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Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, you can embellish. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: About it, and I was like, if we'd only found

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Speaker 3: See he didn't have time for the comedy. No, we've

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Speaker 4: Speaking of making time, this is my favorite murder of

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen Calgarrett, that's Chargia Hart. Start showing your outfit.

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Speaker 2: You're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Listen, listen Before I do this, I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 3: one thing. This is a tour to each city two nights.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of dresses.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Didn't have that many to begin with, had to do

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Speaker 2: This dress does not have pockets. And I swear to

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Speaker 2: that out if you make a noise at meeting, now

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Speaker 3: I taught you how important pockets fucking off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretend do you have that one time?

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Speaker 3: After and I can't remember what city this was in,

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Speaker 3: old fashioned period band things. You could tie pockets under

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it was for women. We were just like,

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Speaker 2: can we please have rights?

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Speaker 4: No, but you can have tie on pockets, thanks patriarchy.

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Speaker 3: They cost twenty five dollars and the men's tie on

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Speaker 3: pockets cost seven ninety nine. Look, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: We can. Would you like to do?

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Speaker 5: Your mom?

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Speaker 2: Saying dress? Thank you? Look at these weird what are

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Speaker 2: these tail for? Her call flaps? Yeah, they're called flaps?

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Speaker 4: it. It's definitely a vintage I was tailoring it backstage because

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Speaker 2: So what I do?

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Speaker 3: I heard her down theho goat do you have a stapler?

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Speaker 2: It's not great. What is she doing over there?

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Speaker 4: Literally stapled my like crinoline up so it wasn't like

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Speaker 4: the town where my best friend Carrie like sells jewelry,

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Speaker 2: Because you know what this podcast is all about. The gems.

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Speaker 2: That's right, gems, gemstones. Fancy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. I walked around today just trying

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Speaker 2: The fuck is wrong with this? Nowhere to be found, can't.

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Speaker 4: Find can't find a hot dog.

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Speaker 3: Can't find an antique to save your fucking life. It's

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Speaker 3: different type of bicycle that this one's named after.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we sit down, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I thought the short table was a

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Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, this is the exact same table you

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Speaker 4: In this economy, we can't complain about a fucking low table.

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Speaker 3: No, not in the least, but I do love that

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Speaker 4: Do you want to tell the people who don't know

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Speaker 4: I hate it so much, but I appreciate you applauding

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Speaker 3: There's no one in this room that doesn't get what's happening.

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Speaker 2: She has no idea what's going on? Where it's like,

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Speaker 3: Already hates you so much. This is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 3: It's a comedy true crime podcast. And that's because when

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Speaker 3: that's why we started this podcast. That's why it started

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Speaker 2: I'm let us just.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, but also let us just tell

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Speaker 3: It's so long for a podcast, for a homework podcast.

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Speaker 4: I just I always think about what if we were

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Speaker 2: We do it again. One of us will tell a story.

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Speaker 4: Every other not both of us will tell Like it

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Speaker 3: Day it is today, How would that be possible? Anyhow,

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Speaker 3: So we enjoy talking to each other about the thing

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Speaker 3: that's what life is like. Horrible things happen and you

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Speaker 3: I'm saying is if you don't like it, you can

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Speaker 3: get the fuck out, unless, of course, you work here,

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Speaker 3: and then we're deeply, deeply sorry, deeply sorry.

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Speaker 2: Our apologies to you. Shit. Yeah, they can't get out.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what a podcast is now. It's

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Speaker 3: It's just so podcasts are women swearing at each other. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I am glad last whatever show we just did. I

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Speaker 4: don't know where the fuck we were. Where were we?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. San Diego, San Diego, San Diego.

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Speaker 4: The fog machine broke and not it turned off way

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Speaker 2: It was kind of awesome.

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Speaker 3: It would have been amazing if when the fog machine broke,

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Speaker 2: It could be Stephen Stephen's lanter boy, Stephen Rip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they know he's live. He's right there on social

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Speaker 4: It was a cold case for over six decades. It's

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Speaker 4: The perseverance and ingenuity about civilian We love civilians.

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Speaker 3: They know their stuff, they do. I'll never forget Faces

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Speaker 2: As I live. No joke is that for God? I

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Speaker 2: I'll just explain it.

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Speaker 3: Don't do math. No oh, that's for dragonlongs. That's another

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Speaker 4: It's December seventh, nineteen fifty eight, and the Martins family

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Speaker 2: You are in sane, Yes, you are.

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Speaker 3: What's funny is like that's real time. Yeah, we're the future.

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Speaker 2: So the Martins leave the home around him, just.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, there's no pine trees Christmas vacation when

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Speaker 2: So they're not like, you know, stealing, right.

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Speaker 3: There's no craftsman's that a young couple is just remodeled

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Speaker 2: You guys love it, okay, So what I just love

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Speaker 4: Why didn't someone yell maybe oh you said the name

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Speaker 4: Here's a picture of their car. WHOA not their car,

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Speaker 4: So as many as you probably know. Cascade Locks is

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Speaker 4: Investigators start looking at everything that was going on in

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Speaker 3: So it's dumb question. But so it wasn't a policeman

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Speaker 2: That gun, And you're telling us that's a coincidence.

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Speaker 4: It's a fucking co It's a fucking coincidence. It's unclear

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Speaker 2: So it's just a fucking coincidence. That's so wild.

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Speaker 3: And that's what this podcast is about, and that's what

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00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: it's all about.

443
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 4: So on December eighth, the day after the Martins were

444
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: last seen, two ex convicts are arrested in Cascade Locks

445
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 4: in connection with that stolen vehicle, and witnesses who saw

446
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 4: the Martins at the Paradise Snack Bar in Hood Rivers

447
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: say that those two men were there at the same

448
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: time as the family. The witnesses say that the men

449
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 4: also left the snack bar at the same time as

450
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: the Martin family, but no evidence is ever found linking

451
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: these two men to the Martin family. At the end

452
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: of December, a woman's glove is found in the area

453
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: where that stolen white Chevy had been, and friends say,

454
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 4: the glove looks like something Barbara would wear, But like,

455
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: what if it's like she would never wear, Like it's

456
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: a white glove.

457
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. Like it's the fifties and

458
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: it's a white glove, exactly.

459
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: It's like Barbara, every other woman every area and Mickey Mouse,

460
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 3: we got it. There's it's not uncommon to wear a

461
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: white glove exactly.

462
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 4: They had searched that area before and had found it,

463
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: So it doesn't seem like, you know, a clue now

464
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: that we know it's not a clue. Over the next

465
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 4: several months, searches are conducted in various locations, mostly along

466
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: the Columbia River. In February of nineteen fifty nine, the

467
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: Dallas dolls, Dolls.

468
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: Dolls, they got a couple, they got a couple, gotcha

469
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: titles in this town.

470
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: I would have said Dallas if Ali hadn't written rhymes

471
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: with pals, which just trips me up.

472
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: So much more.

473
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: When I'm like, it's like saying in red like you're

474
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 4: about to fuck this up and they're gonna be at you.

475
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.

476
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 6: You know.

477
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: It's a little warning of a red light of get ready,

478
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 3: you're gonna blow it. Yeah, and instead of just reading

479
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: what it y yeah, right exactly.

480
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: So anyways, there a man finds right there, right in red,

481
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 4: a man finds tire tracks leading off a cliff into

482
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 4: the water, and the cliff is maybe about thirty feet high.

483
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 4: We have a photo of the tracks that they found.

484
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: Kind of that's just yeah, the area. That's the area.

485
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: It's Columbia River Pool near the Dells, right, bells like peals, yeah,

486
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: never forget it.

487
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: Until this evening later, until I have to say it again.

488
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: Investigators don't find any return tracks and there so that

489
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: are certain that the car went into the water and

490
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: it either drove in or was pushed in. And they

491
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: also find the track tires match the Martin family car tires,

492
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 4: and the paint sample on a rock along the tracks

493
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 4: matches the paint that would have been on the car.

494
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: So this spot's about twenty miles farther than Hood River

495
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: and forty miles further east than cascade locks, but you know,

496
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: they some reason still put them together, you know. And

497
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: then months later a barge will drop an anchor in

498
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: the spot and hook onto something heavy, and when they

499
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: try to pull up the object, a deckhand pokes down

500
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: in the water and he's sure what He strikes his metal,

501
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: but they can't lift it with the anchor and it

502
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: sinks back down. But the people on the boat are

503
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: sure that it was a car. So May of nineteen

504
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 4: fifty nine we get our last solid development in this

505
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: case for sixty years, and it's a tragic one. The

506
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: bodies of Susan and Virginia Martin are found floating down

507
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: the river. Susan had been thirteen, Virginia was eleven, and

508
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: they were found in the water. Fisherman and his wife

509
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 4: see the bodies and they're identified through dental records. So

510
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: over the next sixty years there's basically a debate between

511
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: two series. Either the Martin family tragically accidentally drove into

512
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 4: the river as conditions got darker in the evening in

513
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: the area, or they were somehow pushed into the river

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: off the cliff and the stolen car and those you know,

515
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: convicts and the gun have something to do with it

516
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: with the two camps, and this question haunts investigators, journalists,

517
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: and civilians for decades. Don Martin gets married, the son,

518
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: has three kids, and passes away in two thousand and four,

519
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: never knowing what happened to his family. Okay, now cut

520
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: to twenty eighteen. There's a diver from here named Archer Mayo.

521
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: Is here? Is he here tonight? This guy is fascinating.

522
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 4: I'm like, talk about I don't want to work a

523
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 4: desk job, so I'm just going to fucking.

524
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Do what I love.

525
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 6: Like.

526
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: This is the guy.

527
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: He's like an artist and a sculptor, but he's also

528
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: really into diving into like rivers to find lost items.

529
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: That's his hobby. I would do that. Hell yeah, fun,

530
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: I know.

531
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: So he gets super interested in the case and he

532
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: starts working on tracking down the Martin family car and

533
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: he becomes obsessed with this case, and his obsession eventually

534
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: leads him to the Oregon Historical Society. And this is

535
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: where I would stop and be like, I guess I

536
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: can't find it.

537
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: You know, I see a lot of books in that building.

538
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go this way right to the Bicycle Brewery exactly.

539
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: That's right. Do they have a blonde? They have a

540
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: great blonde.

541
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: He becomes obsessed with that, goes to Oregon Historical Society,

542
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 4: starts pouring over images and plans from the construction of

543
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: the Cascade Locks back in the late eighteen hundreds. He

544
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: goes all the way back to the construction. He discovers

545
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: that there's an area in the locks called the Pit,

546
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: and it's a twenty foot deep depression.

547
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: I have one of those two. Thanks nice fun off

548
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: the top of this bucket head, Yeah, off the dimmer.

549
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: What it is, nicotine? It's baby, We're gonna be so

550
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: pouched up for the second show. It's going to be

551
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: fucking insane, firing on all cylinders tonight.

552
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: Baby, Okay. He there's a deep depression that runs for

553
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: ninety feet at the bottom of the Columbia River. He

554
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: feels in his our true feels in his gut that

555
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: despite all the theories around foul play, that the Martin

556
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: family died in a tragic accident from accidentally driving into

557
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: the river near this spot, and that this is where

558
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: the car will be found.

559
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: I know, I'm obsessed with these cases.

560
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: I feel like half of missing person cases something similar happened.

561
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

562
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: And I love that there's like just independent divers because

563
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: the cities can't afford that looking for them now.

564
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: Can't afford it, right they're busy with their money right now,

565
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: they're busy with their Yes.

566
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: So he then he goes on to construct a diorama

567
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: of the locks and measures the effect of water displacement

568
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: using rice.

569
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Like he's in it. He loves science. Talk about homework. Hey, yeah, relax.

570
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: Somehow he comes up with a theory that the car

571
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: wound up in a very specific spot in the pit,

572
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: and he says, he's never the theory that that was

573
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: in the car was in the other area where the

574
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: tire trucks were. And furthermore, the spot he's found is

575
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: just a little bit down river from a parking lot,

576
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: and in the nineteen fifties there was no guard rails

577
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: or barricades blocking off the drop into the river because

578
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: they were like, go ahead at your own risk.

579
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: It's it's not our problem. I don't care.

580
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: So this guy actually went and did research, like the

581
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: deepest of research, to be like here's my theory and

582
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: here's how I think, and then went and like actually

583
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: looked up where blue principal parking lots or whatever.

584
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn crazy, right, Yeah, but wait there's more.

585
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: Oh okay, So, armed with this new information about the

586
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 4: pit starting in March of twenty twenty four, so this

587
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: past March, he starts searching the area.

588
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 2: No, that's not right. It's twenty twenty five, isn't it. Listen?

589
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: Look, sometimes sometimes the uh THINGO.

590
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes the nicotine it recoils on you. You know what

591
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean. It's like, you can go too far, you

592
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: can overpouch.

593
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna what if I become an advocate for too

594
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: much nicotine pouches, Like fifteen minutes is all you.

595
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: Need, but you do forget how time works. Yeah, so

596
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: party how you want.

597
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that'd be great.

598
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: I would love to forget this time period right now, honestly.

599
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Right so we're all fucking mess. That's what we're doing

600
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: right here, right now.

601
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: We're just like, what a crazy show in a building

602
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: where there's no outside beautiful, Okay.

603
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty four is like a year ago.

604
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: He starts searching the area. He dives three times a

605
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: day for twenty days. Like this guy lots of nicotine.

606
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: Probably he uses machinery to suck debris from the pit,

607
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: and on one of his dives pulls up a hub cap.

608
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: When he goes home and looks it up, he finds

609
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: that it's a match for the type of hubcap that

610
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: would have been on the Martin family car. Archer keeps

611
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: diving to the spot, ultimately locating a car and takes measurements,

612
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: proving that it is the correct make and model.

613
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what kind. Oh no, wait, sorry, here it.

614
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: Is an early nineteen fifties Ford County squire.

615
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: A county squire, that's what it fucking said. I never don't,

616
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't. I've never heard of that before.

617
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: So armed with all this evidence, Archer is able to

618
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: get the Hood River County Sheriff's Department to hire contractors.

619
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: To pull the car out of the water. Okay, here's

620
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: the thing. This sucks.

621
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: But the car is upside down and they wind up

622
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: just detaching the undercarriage and pulling that up.

623
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: There's a picture of it. Oh no, is that a chassis?

624
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: Is that what they call?

625
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: That?

626
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 8: Is that?

627
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: What is happening with you? This is the drug? The map?

628
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: That a chassis? What's that about? A V eight? I

629
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: don't know? So V twelve it's happening. They just fucking

630
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: break in half. It'll it happens, you know.

631
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: Still, I mean still they're doing something. Ye, something's happened. Yes,

632
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: that's great, it's good.

633
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: So he keeps diving because he's just determined to find

634
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: irrefutable proof that this is the Martin family car. And

635
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: so just this past August, I swear to god it

636
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: was twenty twenty five. I'm not fucking would pass the

637
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: paper around. Yeah, Archard dives one last time to the

638
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: site where he had found the car, and on this

639
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: final dive, he hopes to conclusively link the car to

640
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: the Martins. So he brings up various artifacts and I'm like,

641
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: we can't show you the pictures because they don't let us.

642
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: It's really annoying. He brings up would they say we

643
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: won't tell?

644
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: Okay, he brings up various artifacts that link the Martins,

645
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: like the remnants of shoes Barbara Martin was wearing that day.

646
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: It's just the soul the canvas has disintegrated, but it's

647
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 4: the shoe that she was wearing. Also a camera and

648
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: the camera case that has Ken Martin's name and their

649
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: address on it.

650
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh shit. So yeah, back in game is over. So

651
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: that was on that day or like later, but same team. No,

652
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: that was his last dive.

653
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: That was his like, I'm like that happened, and he

654
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'm going to go in one more

655
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: fucking time. And he's also able to bring up human remains.

656
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: He should have left this, I know, yeh yeah, disturbing

657
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: a maybe crime scene, but you know, we're not judging.

658
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: We're judging.

659
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: He hands the remains over to a Hood River shriff's

660
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: deputy and they are now with the Oregon State Forensics investigators,

661
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 4: and there's hope they'll be able to find clues as

662
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: to why and how they ended up at the bottom

663
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: of the cascade. Locks for Archer and many Oregonians, it's

664
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: clear that the family drove into the water in a

665
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: tragic accident. The Martin family is still very much in

666
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: Portlander's heart. The story has stayed in the news pretty

667
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: much consistently over the past almost seventy years sixties. It'll

668
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: be sixty seven years in December. There's been books written,

669
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: in documentaries made about the mystery. The daughter of one

670
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 4: of the Oregonian reporters who had tirelessly covered the case

671
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: has one of Ken's candy cane decorations and keeps it

672
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: out on her porch in memory. Archer says he plans

673
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: to hold a memorial service this December at the spot

674
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: where the car was found in Cascade Locks. And that

675
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: is the story of the Martin family disappearance.

676
00:36:51,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 9: Wow, wow, thank you, I mean thank god.

677
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: I know it's just so trapped.

678
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: And it's it's tragic, but then it's such a beautiful

679
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: thing that like one person, so many people, but like

680
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: this one guy that cares so much that he's just like, look,

681
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fucking take care of this, like I'm doing it.

682
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: Like one person could make such a huge diffence. Yeah

683
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: that's lovely. Yeah, nice, thank you. I'm sweating.

684
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: Make a brush, take a break, take the pouch out,

685
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: and just relax for a second.

686
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: Just relax.

687
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: My story also takes place in Northeast Portland, and I

688
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: feel like the second I start at you guys are

689
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: going to know exactly what I'm talking about. Let's see,

690
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: this story starts in nineteen ninety seven. A string of

691
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: armed robberies have walked rocked Northeast Portland. Over the last year,

692
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: nearly twenty businesses in this part of the city, including

693
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: mom and pop stores, have been hit and their employees

694
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: terrorized by thieves robbing them at gunpoint. Thankfully, no one's

695
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: been physically hurt in any of these heists, but the

696
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: police have no idea who's responsible. Then in November of

697
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, they finally get a break when the

698
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: Rustica Italian Cafe on Northeast Broadway and Northeast seventeenth Avenue

699
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: is hit.

700
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: It's now the Broadway Grill and Brewery. Of course it

701
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: is to shave a brewery in there.

702
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: So during this incident, shots are fired and for the

703
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: first time, someone is wounded, but it's not an employee

704
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: or a patron of the cafe.

705
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: It's one of the thieves.

706
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: He still gets away, but this time he'll leave behind

707
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: DNA evidence that will finally give police the big break

708
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: they need in this year long crime spree. And when

709
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: those tests come back, they'll identify two very unlikely culprits.

710
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: Because the thieves terrorizing the area are not hardened ex

711
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: cons or members of a crime syndicate. They're two of

712
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: the most popular boys at Grant High School.

713
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: Oh my god, and Grant's principle at the time will

714
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: tell Time Magazine that quote they were feisty, defiant.

715
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it, but okay, borderline assholes.

716
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: Finally someone says something, says it in Time Magazine and

717
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: then his. The final line of that quote is together

718
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: they were bad for each other. This is the story

719
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: of star students turned armed robbers, Tom Curtis and Ethan Thrower.

720
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: Wow. I don't know this one at all.

721
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: I was so panicked to get through that without everybody

722
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 3: knowing that. I picked it up and didn't even take

723
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: the paper clip off. I was just like, I will

724
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: shove this into your ear, okay. The sources for this

725
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: are a nineteen ninety nine article entitled most Likely to

726
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: Succeed by writer John Cloud for Time Magazine, a nineteen

727
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: ninety eight article entitled The Boys next Door by Maureen o'hagen,

728
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: which ran in the willamme at Week in the willlamb

729
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: Atte Week newspaper, and a twenty I always want to say,

730
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: lameg Wilama, and it's I've been stressing about willam at

731
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: all God your day.

732
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: I've been kind of whispering.

733
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: It to myself where it's like it's logical. Lamb lamb,

734
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: lamb it and a twenty twenty three article entitled Runners

735
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: High by Julianne Balzy and that ran in Grant Magazine,

736
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: which makes me go, Does Grant High School have their

737
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: own magazine? I would love that more than anything. Yes,

738
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: they do, they do. It's a nice, glossy kind of

739
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: like people, but with local gulps.

740
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Is there a word jumble? I love a word jumble?

741
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: Who wore it better? This armed robber turned senior?

742
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so when our story begins, Tom, Curtis, Meath and

743
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: Thrower are both in high school, good friends, with similar upbringings,

744
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: with loving families, middle class homes. They're both in the

745
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: same class at Grant High and that's also the high

746
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: school where mister Holland's Opus was filmed.

747
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: Have you ever? Have you ever?

748
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: It's picturesque, It's beautiful, you guys, gorgeous. Truly, my high

749
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: school did not look like that.

750
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: And yet robbers, armed robbers coming out day and night

751
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: overrun with Robbers. Both Tom and Ethan are at the

752
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: top of their class and they have a long list

753
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: of impressive extracurriculars.

754
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: What did you do for extracurriculars in high school? Are

755
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: you serious? Yes?

756
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: I am I went to raves, took ecstasy, and then

757
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: I'd go straight from the rade to my six am

758
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: bakery job. Still kind of high, Like, I don't know

759
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: what to tell you. Soccer, I did soccer. I was

760
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 4: a track runner and soccer. Soccer and track. Yeah, very

761
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: What did you do in high school? I did speech

762
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: and debate.

763
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh and then I realized I don't like school and

764
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't care about extracurriculars.

765
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: I'm not staying here for very much longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

766
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: I realized everyone was on this like a track of

767
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: like we I have to do this, this and this

768
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: so I can get to college. And I was like, wait,

769
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: will wait a second, I don't want to go to college.

770
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: No, I was like, I just want to dance. Yeah,

771
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: and look where it got me. Look it fucking works.

772
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: Drop out, it works, drop out, it works. Molly, please

773
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: edit this part out. It's wrong to tell the children. Okay,

774
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: they're okay, So both boys are track stars. Ethan sings

775
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: in Grant High's.

776
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: Elite choir, the Royal Blues.

777
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: Anyone sing for the Royal Blues, liar, that's stolen valorous

778
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: you if you're wooing as if you sang in the

779
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: Royal Blues I will call the FBI. Tom is an

780
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: Eagle Scout and he has also crowned the homecoming Coming King, Wow,

781
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: which has never happened in history.

782
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: What just kidding? Which part? Sorry?

783
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: That was an Eagle Scouts or Nerds joke? I guess

784
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: you're all nerds. So Eagle Scout Homecoming King.

785
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: Well.

786
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: Ethan is on the homecoming court, so he was nominated,

787
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 3: but he didn't win. They've been described as the most

788
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: popular kids at Grant High and both win senior superlatives.

789
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: Tom's funniest and Ethan gets best dressed.

790
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Which one would you want? I mean, like, which superlative

791
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: would you rather have?

792
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: I won funniest Girl, but I was working day and

793
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: night for that superlative. But I mean I never shut

794
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: my goddamn mouth. I couldn't. I literally couldn't. Hated they

795
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: were just like the nuns. We beg you nuns begged me.

796
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: I didn't.

797
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: It's like, I'll be quiet when I feel like it,

798
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: Sister Muriel. But Tom and Ethan also have their differences.

799
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Ethan's more laid back. He's like a chill guy personality,

800
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: whereas Tom is the class clown a bit of a shitster.

801
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: In old reports, people often describe him as having issues

802
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: with knowing where to draw the line, which seems very generous.

803
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: So Tom, when I was reading this, and it isn't true,

804
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: but I was like, this guy sounds short. Oh my god, Sorry,

805
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you can say you know those you know,

806
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: those short guys where you're like, what are you fucking doing?

807
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me tell you the rest and then

808
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: you can argue with me. I'm saying this as as

809
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: a girl who spent all of high school fat and

810
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: so like, plenty of people said that to me.

811
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Let's all name it.

812
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: As we see it. What am I talking about? I'm

813
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: fifty five, Okay. For example, Tom runs for student body

814
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: president and he gives a speech that is juvenile and

815
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: mean spirited. Now it is nineteen ninety seven, and that's

816
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: all anything was ever, very much the pre Internet where

817
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: everyone became best friends, but like literally eight years before,

818
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: it was like as toxic as it could be. So

819
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: he basically gives a campaign speech where he just makes

820
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: fun of what every faculty member looks like at the school.

821
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Bro super mean right, and the teachers are humiliated. I mean,

822
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: he takes them down but.

823
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: It's the best teacher and you're like, I'm just trying

824
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: to help, and this fucking kid comes along, Yeah, little hit.

825
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: You and your teeth or whatever where you're like, I

826
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: didn't realize. But of course his classmates eat it up

827
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 3: and he wins the election, And this is the definition

828
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: of life in the nineties. Around the same time, August

829
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: of ninety nine, Tom and Ethan and some of their

830
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: friends are at A seven to eleven when they see

831
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 3: the long the line gets really long. They don't want

832
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: to wait in the line, so they just walk out

833
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 3: with the shit in their hands. The cashier goes out

834
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: and confronts them and she's like, hey, what are you doing?

835
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: And things escalate the way it's written. As things escalate,

836
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: Tom ends up punching her in the face, and after

837
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 3: acting belligerently to the responding officer, resisting arrests and getting

838
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 3: bitten by a police dog while trying to run away.

839
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: Holy shit short.

840
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 3: Right, Tom is arrested and multiple charges are filed against him.

841
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: So we don't have any details about how this case

842
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: progressed through the courts because of court. It's juvenile court

843
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: and so it's all sealed. What we do know is

844
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: that Tom eventually does apologize to the clerk. My guess

845
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: is that he was compelled to buy the judge essentially

846
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: to be like, we can get these charges dropped. All

847
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: that is to say, Tom is the more confrontational of

848
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: the two buddies, and as that vice principal said, Tom

849
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: and Ethan bring out the absolute worst in each other.

850
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: So little does that vice principal or anyone else know

851
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: that the year before these boys win their your book Superlatives,

852
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: before the incident at seven to eleven, Tom and Ethan

853
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: have been knee deep in very serious, escalating criminal activity.

854
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: And that begins in November of nineteen ninety six, when

855
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: they are both juniors. The two of them start stealing

856
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: cars and taking them for joy rides around Portland and

857
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: they never get caught, so they just keep doing it,

858
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: and they just keep loving it, and they're.

859
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: Just like, this is it. This is the life for us.

860
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: So of course they're emboldened by that, and a few

861
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: months into stealing cars, they decide they're going to take

862
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: it up a notch and see if they can.

863
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: Pull off a robbery.

864
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: So right, so they target Howard Johnson's that's close to

865
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: their high school smart and using a handgun that Ethan

866
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: took from his dad, so basically a real handgun. They

867
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 3: put on ski masks and they run into the Howard

868
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 3: Johnson's and they rob the manager and then they run away.

869
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 3: Fifteen days later, the two of them hit a baskin Robbins.

870
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: A few weeks after that, they hit the Burger King

871
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: where Ethan works.

872
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: They're not going for like high where he works.

873
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: He works there, and they're like, you know what we're

874
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: gonna do, come back later. You'll take that shirt off

875
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: and the hat for sure, and ski masks like talents.

876
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: You most robbers don't smell like oil. So they rob

877
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: that and then they go back to the same basket

878
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: Robbins and hold that same cash Europe for a second time.

879
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Come on, leave her alone, yes.

880
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: For real, and it is a woman, of course, So

881
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: now it's a spree and they continue on. They rob

882
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: a small natural food store. We're not sure which one.

883
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: A new age shop could be fucking anywhere. A Barnes

884
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 3: and Noble clothes now not really and what she said,

885
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: she goes.

886
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 10: No, oh my god, the spoiler, we have bad news

887
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 10: about the Barnes and Noble franchise.

888
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: My friends.

889
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: I won't even get into bed, bathroom beyond my god,

890
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: it's totally not even on this page. Okay, there it

891
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: is an ice cream parlor show, a non basket robins,

892
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: I guess, a Wendy's, and a taco bell. They even

893
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: pull in fellow students on some of these robberies, so

894
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: a couple of them.

895
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: They're not alone. That's how like.

896
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: They get so emboldened by not being caught that they're like, guys,

897
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: come hang with us and rob people. So, according to

898
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: the LaMotte Week newspaper, they net between fifty to six sorry,

899
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: sixty to five hundred dollars in each robbery.

900
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: Do you want to guess, oh, in today's Monday nineteen

901
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: ninety seven, sixty to sixty to what between sixty and

902
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: five hundred?

903
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: Okay, it's going to be between twelve hundred and fourteen fifty.

904
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: Not even close.

905
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: It's it's so disappointing. Now, it's just difficult. It's just

906
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: random numbers guessing. That's what we call this part of

907
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: the show. You say numbers to me, and I'll say

908
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: numbers to you.

909
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you you're wrong about the numbers you said to me.

910
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: Every time it always hurts and yet it's meaningless.

911
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 4: But also like fast food was like fifty nine cents

912
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 4: back then, it was so cheap.

913
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't why would you if.

914
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: You get me started about the price of the groceries

915
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: and how nobody can fucky survive these days and what

916
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: the fuck is actually going on? How do people buy

917
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: gross hide? People buy anything? No, it was thank you.

918
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: It was between someone yelled numbers. It was between one

919
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty and one thousand dollars in today's money,

920
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: such huge risk. You could barely buy any nicotine pouches

921
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: for that. Okay, So all the while, these boys are

922
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: telling themselves what they're doing isn't that bad because they're

923
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: not hurting anybody, and they get to feel like badass gangsters.

924
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: The police noticed the uptick and robberies directly around Grant

925
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: High School pretty early on, but the robbery unit, which

926
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: would have been the unit that tracked all of these

927
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: robberies and kind of went, hey see a pattern here,

928
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: it had recently been cut. So they're all investigated kind

929
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: of in a vacuum as individual robberies, and no one

930
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: looks at the big picture. And if someone on the

931
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: force had been looking at them collectively, they would have

932
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: noticed the similarities in m O, not just the area

933
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: but the m O, the witness descriptions of the thieves themselves,

934
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: and the fact that all the victims report the purps

935
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: are both young men, one is white, one is black,

936
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: and they're always wearing ski masks, so pretty consistent.

937
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: But for months.

938
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: Police usually don't allow audience participation.

939
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: With Portland. I allow it because they don't fuck around.

940
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: They're not just going to be like my sister says

941
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: hi or whatever.

942
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: They don't do that.

943
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: It's not a Stephanie woohoo. It's like a fucking actual.

944
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: Now hard jokes, that's how you do it, thank you.

945
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: So for months the police have no idea who is

946
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: behind these robberies until Tom and Ethan decide they're going

947
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: to case a local blockbuster for a future cross.

948
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: It's so vented right.

949
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 4: This is also I'm the exact same age and like

950
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 4: school whatever as them, and so I'm just like there.

951
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 3: Yes, you're feeling it mine. They've got their hypercolor shirts.

952
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: On, Jinko's Kuna jeans.

953
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: Some Pooka necklaces here and there, even though it's the

954
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest, Like you're not in Hawaii?

955
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: Take that off? Or were you just right? Okay?

956
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: So someone sees them casing the blockbuster calls the police.

957
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: When the police arrive, Tom and even just outrun them

958
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: because they're track stars.

959
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, have you ever run away from a

960
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: cop before? Or security guard? No? Oh me, neither, tell it,

961
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: tell it.

962
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 5: Nope.

963
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: My juvenile record is sealed and it's going to stay

964
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 4: that way.

965
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: I'm many had to have it reopened. I'm gonna say

966
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: it's for the podcast. It's really important. Did you run

967
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: from police they've run from Oh?

968
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: Yes, no one's here, Yes, no one's here.

969
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: What were your I know, what were your pockets filled

970
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: with cigarettes?

971
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: And Matthea, wait a second?

972
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: Can I just say we went to an amazing like

973
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: vintage antique store place today and the owner wasn't She

974
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 3: wasn't there.

975
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: It was her partner that worked there and told.

976
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: Me I bought five you know lucy cigarettes they when

977
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: they sell them loose. She knitted lucy cigarettes, and some

978
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: of them are full and they have a pipe cleaner

979
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: in them. So if you hold up, you're holding a

980
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: knit cigarette that looks like a real cigarette.

981
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: And I looked.

982
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: And I was like, like, my eyes I was like,

983
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: there's no way that this is what I'm seeing. And

984
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: then I picked it up like this, and I was like,

985
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: is this a knit Lucy cigarette? He's like, yes, they

986
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: and some of them are knit to look like they're

987
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: halfway burnt down so they ash at the end.

988
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: That's a lot of effort to fucking smoke a little dube,

989
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: you know.

990
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: It's just a like, it's just a prop.

991
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no reason to do it except for to

992
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: have a half burnt out cigarette and hold it and

993
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: be like what.

994
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 4: And it just smells like weed and it feels like, yeah, yes,

995
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 4: that's amazing.

996
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about my Nitzy. You bought one. I

997
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: bought all five. Yeah that's art. That's fucking art. Yeah.

998
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: Actually, Marcus, will you ask Craig if he would grab

999
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: some of those Lucies.

1000
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if.

1001
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: The hometown is good enough, someone will get a Lucy.

1002
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I have a story to tell, So okay.

1003
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 3: So now it's nineteen ninety seven, late nineteen ninety seven,

1004
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: Tom and Ethan halfway through their senior year at Grant High.

1005
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Tom's want to track scholarship to a college in New

1006
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: York State and Ethan's been accepted to a school in

1007
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: West Virginia.

1008
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: So their their future.

1009
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 3: That's really their futures are laid out and ahead of them.

1010
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: And uh, it's many years since therefore into armed robbery.

1011
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: They've rubbed eighteen businesses so far, all while leading double

1012
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: lives a star students. Now they're starting to feel like,

1013
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe this might catch up with us

1014
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: and it could affect our future and ruin prom So

1015
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: Tom and Ethan decide they're going to do one last

1016
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 3: big crime together.

1017
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: They gotta do it, gotta do it. It's like no

1018
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 2: one reads or watches TV.

1019
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: They're like, we're the ones that are going to do

1020
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: the one last big crime and it'll be.

1021
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: Fine this time. Yeah.

1022
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: So they start by stealing a Chevy suburban and driving

1023
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: it to a local Italian restaurant called Rustica.

1024
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: When they get there, the boys put on their scheme.

1025
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 3: The boys put on their sche masks, and they take

1026
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: the gun and they storm in and shocking diners and staff.

1027
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 3: It's just a lovely little Italian restaurant in a neighborhood.

1028
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: It's like full of people that's yeah, bananas, okay.

1029
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. They demand money from the register they threaten the staff.

1030
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 3: They run out with about five hundred dollars. You want

1031
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: to do a fast one at twelve hundred close one thousand?

1032
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: Okay?

1033
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so they Tom and Ethan then climb into

1034
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: the stolen Chevy's suburban and they speed away, looking for

1035
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: somewhere to ditch it and like switch cars and be badasses,

1036
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: thinking that they've just gotten away with their last big robbery.

1037
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: But while Tom is driving, Ethan decides and this breaks

1038
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: my heart because this is absolutely something I would do.

1039
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: Ethan decides that he is going to take his gun,

1040
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: his father's gun, and put it in the waistband of

1041
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: his pants.

1042
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: Oh, like a badass gangster. Right, that's something you would do.

1043
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You don't know me. I

1044
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: contain multitudes. No, I mean, I just mean.

1045
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: In the way of, don't think that I'm trying to

1046
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: look fool thing all the way through to what's the

1047
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: bad thing that could happen, like, for example, Ethan shooting

1048
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: himself in the balls.

1049
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: Yes, no, it's horrible, like a bad joke. It's worst

1050
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: case scenario for a lot of people.

1051
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: Oh so God, they just think they're like kind of

1052
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: you know, amped up, right, of like getting away and

1053
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: suddenly it's turned into I mean, first of all, just

1054
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: the it's the idea of a gun going off inside

1055
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: a car. I don't care that alone. And then secondly

1056
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: it's your friend like staring at each other because you know,

1057
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: there's the seven seconds of I can't feel anything.

1058
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: Maybe nothing happened, I guess. So I don't know. I've

1059
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: never been I.

1060
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 3: Didn't tell you about when I got shot in the balls.

1061
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: Senior year was crazy. We can only assume it was insane. Yeah,

1062
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: what we know is that it didn't involve a lot

1063
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: of linear thinking what happened next. All we know is

1064
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: Tom immediately pulls the car over at Northeast twenty seventh

1065
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: Avenue on Halsey Street. Right, it's just basically blocks away

1066
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: from the restaurant they just rock, So he immediately pulls over.

1067
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: They ditch the suburban. Tom then calls nine to one one.

1068
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: It's unclear how they get there, but they end up

1069
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: at the hospital, but it's not via ambl ambulance ambulance.

1070
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: So when they blocks, then maybe.

1071
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: I mean some nice person picked up two high school boys,

1072
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: one bleeding terribly.

1073
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a story.

1074
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1075
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: You know, I'll still deeper into this and get back

1076
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: to every single person.

1077
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: In this room. But thank god they end up at

1078
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: the hospital. That's when you know, everybody sees it's hap.

1079
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: The boys are separated, the police are called and they

1080
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: both start getting questioned.

1081
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: So Ethan says that. At first, Ethan.

1082
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 3: Says that he was shot by gang members, and Tom

1083
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: the old, the old, it'll get you out of it.

1084
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: Tom backs him up. Tom backs him up so much

1085
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: that he takes the police down to the spot where

1086
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: he claims the gang members shot Ethan. Meanwhile, well they're

1087
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: doing that, Ethan cracks and immediately tells the police it

1088
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: wasn't gang members, it's my dad's gun. We did it,

1089
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: we did and totally yeah. He basically is like, I lied.

1090
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: I can't have my parents find out like it's all

1091
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 3: falling apart. Well, so they both leave out the part

1092
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: about robbing the restaurant, obviously, but the police can connect

1093
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: the docks pretty quickly because Tom's nine oh one call

1094
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: came minutes after after the nine one one call from Rustica,

1095
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: and a Chevy Suburban had been reported missing earlier the

1096
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: same day, and it's then found right where the teens

1097
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: left it not far from Rustica, with a bloody front

1098
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: seat and a discarded ski mask lying nearby.

1099
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 4: Guys, you got to go to college before you become

1100
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 4: a criminal.

1101
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, for real.

1102
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: That's one of those like your mom is going to

1103
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: come through here and pick up all your ski masks

1104
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: after every robbery. But without an admission from Tom or

1105
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: Ethan or any other hard evidence connecting them to the

1106
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: Rustica robbery or the Chevy suburban robbery, the investigators don't

1107
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: really have much of a case. All they can do

1108
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 3: is take a blood sample from the suburban, send it

1109
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: off for testing against Ethan's DNA, and hope a match

1110
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: will justify and rest warrant. It takes several months, but

1111
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: in April of nineteen ninety eight, when Tom and Ethan

1112
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: are weeks away from gradualuation, those test results come back

1113
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: the DNA in the suburban matches Ethan's own, and police

1114
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: also find witnesses who remember seeing a suburban fleeing the

1115
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: scene after the Rustic robbery.

1116
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: It all gets tied together at this point.

1117
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 3: Police also have built out a crime map of the

1118
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: nineteen businesses that have been targeted around Grant High School

1119
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: and they're finally connecting them to Tom and Ethan.

1120
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: We have that map there. It is what senergy. It's

1121
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: almost like a clock.

1122
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: It's the numbers and the center of it right there,

1123
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: just like boys.

1124
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: What synergy? Is that a yoga studio? They didn't have

1125
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: those times?

1126
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: Please don't tell me you robbed synergy, not synergy.

1127
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: Do you know what synergy is? Like a store or anything?

1128
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: You've never heard of? It is anyone who you know

1129
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: what synergy is? Nobody knows.

1130
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh, they're not even listening to those two women. I

1131
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: thought you were raising your hand. They're talking and pointing

1132
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: at the map.

1133
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: And talking to each other. I live there. I'm talking

1134
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: into a microphone. It's the loudest thing. What is there

1135
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: a key or something? That's where your house is?

1136
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: I live right there, I live behind Synergy.

1137
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well that didn't work. Showed you the map.

1138
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: They even find witnesses at one of the earlier crime

1139
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: scenes who saw a distinctive getaway vehicle, a red Volkswagen Bug.

1140
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: That's the kind of car Tom drives, so very suspiciously.

1141
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: The robberies in this part of Portland stop right around

1142
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: the same time that Ethan shoots himself and the Balls.

1143
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: So on April sixteenth, nineteen ninety eight, nineteen year old

1144
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: Ethan Thrower is arrested inn with the Rustica armed robbery.

1145
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: This is what sucks.

1146
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: Ethan is arrested at school one day before senior Prom.

1147
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: So when I wrote and Ruined Prom at the beginning

1148
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 3: of the story, I was just writing a joke.

1149
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: I hadn't gotten to this part.

1150
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 3: And then when I read this part, it's like, you

1151
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 3: gotta be fucking kidding me.

1152
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: It literally ruined prom. Oh man, I mean.

1153
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: And then I started picturing of like what happens when

1154
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: one of the most popular boys in high school gets

1155
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: arrested at school, And it was like, do you get

1156
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: a reverse spirit tunnel out? Like do the cheerleaders line

1157
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: up on either side and then cry you out?

1158
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: Or I'm just I like to work through possibilities.

1159
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 3: Since authorities are trying to secure and a restaurant for Tom,

1160
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 3: he does end up going to prom.

1161
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: Shut up, I swear to God. All right, good for him,

1162
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: beautiful beautiful night in your life.

1163
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: Right, he still deserves a beautiful night of dancing. The

1164
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: theme of the prom that year was the psychological damage

1165
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: of gun violence on the victim that's a weird coincidence.

1166
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: What were the decorations? But once prom is over, Tom vanishes.

1167
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. The fact that a high schooler is

1168
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: able to slip through the Portland Peat's fingers is incredibly

1169
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: embarrassing for them.

1170
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: Sure, he's like, I just want to party one more time.

1171
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: Can't you guys leave me alone?

1172
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: They're like, you know what, yes, we will, And then

1173
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: he's gone. So now it's graduation day at Grant High

1174
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 3: and two janky, white plastic folding chairs sit empty on

1175
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: the football field.

1176
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: Why always the hardest folding chairs to sit in?

1177
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: And grass that's sinking because it's always wet? God, I

1178
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: look at that's all me just writing jokes were not

1179
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: uh oh here it is is worth it, you know

1180
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 3: that type. A valedictorian girl was so pissed she had

1181
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: to rewrite the top of their speech, like today we're

1182
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 3: here to honor our hard work and dedication of these

1183
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 3: past four years. While some people want to upstage our

1184
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: day by committing a bunch of felonies, they cannot upstage

1185
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: our determination.

1186
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: That was worth it. That's actually really fucking great. Okay,

1187
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: thank you.

1188
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just put myself in the mindset of a

1189
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 3: person who did do homework.

1190
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1191
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: Then in June of nineteen ninety eight, the story comes

1192
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: out that Tom was not actually on the Lamb when

1193
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 3: he disappeared. He just went on the big Mexico trip

1194
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: his buddies planned for graduation.

1195
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: Woo.

1196
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like walked right through with his passport and ever really.

1197
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, of course, now there's even more outrage in

1198
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: Portland because already when this story broke, the people of

1199
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: Portland were just like, what the fuck's wrong with these kids?

1200
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 2: Like what is happening?

1201
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: And then it was just like, here's a further update

1202
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 3: on that story, and you're not gonna like it. It's

1203
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 3: like insane. So also, his friends on this Mexico trip

1204
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: knew he was. He was supposed to get arrested in Portland.

1205
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: Nobody snitched on him. Yeah, because bro code right. So

1206
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: once the trip is over, Tom then does actually go

1207
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: on the Lamb. He gets himself to Mesa, Arizona. He

1208
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 3: gets a job at a local cafe, he starts renting

1209
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: a room there, and he basically just kind of starts

1210
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 3: life over in Mesa. Neither his landlord nor the couple

1211
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: who owns the cafe. He works out have any idea

1212
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: that he's a fugitive and a criminal. The landlord will

1213
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 3: later describe him as quote the best tenant I ever had, wow,

1214
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 3: and the cafe owner will describe him as quote just wonderful.

1215
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean it all could have been so great

1216
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: in Mesa Era, Zona.

1217
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: But that summer, the TV show America's Most Wanted runs

1218
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: a story on Tom.

1219
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, snitches America's Most Wanted, Such snitches.

1220
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 3: The ultimate snitches, and they never got any stitches. The

1221
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: owners of the diner see the episode, Oh no, I thought.

1222
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: He was wonderful and they are snitches.

1223
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, through uncontrollable sobs, they call in and report

1224
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 3: their beautiful tenant, I mean an employee to the police.

1225
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: Tom somehow though.

1226
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 3: Gets wind of it, or like is just smart enough

1227
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: to know, and he leaves before the police arrive. The

1228
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 3: next time anyone hears from him, it's him calling his

1229
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 3: father from the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas, and Tom

1230
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 3: tells his dad he wants to surrender and basically talk,

1231
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 3: and then he ends up turning himself into the FBI

1232
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. Tom is eventually extradited back to Oregon.

1233
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: He will ultimately plead guilty to nineteen of the one

1234
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: hundred counts filed against him.

1235
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: Damn so nuts.

1236
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: And then there's a very long paragraph from Maren explaining

1237
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: why she didn't try to do the then math of

1238
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 3: the how much money they made from all their robberies,

1239
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 3: where I'm just like, girl, do not worry about it.

1240
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: She thinks it's around ten thousand dollars. So here's where

1241
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: a woman named Donna Nelson, who owned one of the

1242
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: businesses that Tom Curtis and Ethan Thrower targeted, she will

1243
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: go on to say and tell a reporter, quote, they

1244
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 3: were terrorists. They held a gun to the head of

1245
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: our clerk and counted and asked him if he wanted

1246
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 3: to die, Oh my god, and end quote. And that

1247
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 3: cashier at Baskin Robbins, who they robbed twice is one

1248
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: of the many victims who afterwards reported sustained psychological t

1249
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 3: drama because of that experience, including recurring nightmares. So nothing

1250
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: can fully erase the harm.

1251
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: That these boys did.

1252
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 3: But this is one of those stories where both men

1253
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 3: go to jail and we do see some change, which

1254
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 3: is pretty amazing. Definitely, of course, a lot of growing

1255
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: up horrible that they are tried as adults and they

1256
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: go to jail's the youngest adults that can go to jail.

1257
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 3: Tom has a rough time at first, which is a

1258
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 3: hilarious thing to say about going to fucking prison, but

1259
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: he eventually becomes a model prisoner. He's known for his

1260
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 3: big personality and his charm. Just like in high school.

1261
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: Does he gets in prison and your prison near book

1262
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: there's in a way.

1263
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: He ends up actually taking advantage of a program that

1264
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 3: helps inmates get their college degrees. And he's released in

1265
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine when he's twenty nine years old,

1266
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: so he serves his full sentence. He would be in

1267
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: his forties now. He seems to living a very quiet life.

1268
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 3: One of the few public comments he ever gave over

1269
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: the years was in two the year two thousand, he's

1270
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 3: still in prison and he declined an interview with the Orgonian,

1271
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 3: but he did tell the reporter that he quote would

1272
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:32,919
Speaker 3: like to dissuade kids from acting as mindlessly as himself. Ethan, meanwhile,

1273
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: is released in two thousand and six, a few years

1274
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: before Tom. Now in his mid twenties, he enrolls at

1275
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: Portland State University. He graduates in two thousand and nine.

1276
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: He's a family man now and he works here in

1277
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 3: Portland as a youth social worker and he has also

1278
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 3: this I love. He's written a children's book called A

1279
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 3: Kid's Book about Incarceration, where he talks about his time

1280
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: in prison, and in the book he writes, quote, today,

1281
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: I reflect on the people I hurt and the choices

1282
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: I made. I know I can't take them back, but

1283
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 3: I can talk about it, listen and be part of

1284
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: helping others. I am here to tell you change and

1285
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: growth are possible in people. I am glad I never

1286
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 3: lost sight of this and that I got a second chance.

1287
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 3: And that is the story of the Grant High School

1288
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 3: star students turned criminals. Tom Curtis and Ethan thrower them.

1289
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 3: Holy shit, that was great, good job, Thank you.

1290
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: Wow the time for our hometown.

1291
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: This yo Yo, yo Yo can savor all ladies and gentlemen.

1292
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah there is correct me if I'm wrong.

1293
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: I think this is the first time you've done a

1294
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 4: show in an active war zone.

1295
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: Take it on you guys. Yeah, so I'm gonna try

1296
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: to get you guys some empty bottles of mountain dew

1297
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 2: to spit your dip in. Okay, vinces on this side

1298
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: guys love can you see?

1299
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they're so cute.

1300
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 2: Tell them about the hometown. The rules. Okay, it's hometown time.

1301
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 2: You know all these rules.

1302
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: Here's the first rule I'm going to say to you, guys.

1303
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: Holy shit, don't fucking threaten us.

1304
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: O my god, that's so satisfying. It felt pretty great.

1305
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: It did.

1306
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 3: And the first thing I thought of when that was like,

1307
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: is this there's beautiful like porcelain. Something inside that thing.

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01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: As I kicked it, there was cat.

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Speaker 5: That.

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 3: This is the part where you tell your hometown. It's

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 3: got to be local. If it can't be Portland, it

1312
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: should be Oregon. People get mad when it's not. Don't

1313
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: be so drunk. You can't tell your whole story.

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,879
Speaker 2: What are the rest of them? The beginning, middle.

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: Beginning, middle, end, and and you know, don't.

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: Ship, don't be shitty, and you're you're gonna do it that.

1317
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: I think this is your big you have to pick.

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: You can do it. I hate this. I hate this.

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Everyone, Please forgive me. Oh my god,

1320
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 4: yes right here, yes, yeah, come over there. Events sorry.

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01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 4: As a people pleaser, Karen, as a people pleaser, that's

1322
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 4: really fucking hard.

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01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: So have good vision. That's literally the reason.

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01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: Everything gets so intense at that part. My people who

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: are like like this, and suddenly there it's like, okay,

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01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 3: lamb of God. Hi, hey guys, this is Honor.

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01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: Right in the middle there, and I got that microphone.

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: Here we go.

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 6: So the friend that I'm with a super embarrassed right now.

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 6: She's like, so, my name is Honor, and you're from

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 6: southern Oregon, Roseburg.

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01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 2: Those people are not from rosebar Like, No, not a

1333
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: lot of sharing for Rosebarck. Okay, so.

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01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 6: I obviously I grew up there, and in like grade school,

1335
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 6: we had someone transferred to our class and we'll call

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 6: her Jennifer because they were like nineteen Jennifers in our class.

1337
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 6: And it was super concerning because she lived with her

1338
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 6: aunt and everybody, oh, sorry, I'm.

1339
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: Old, so I don't apologize, like the like mid eighties.

1340
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 6: So you know, we were watching the evening news as

1341
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 6: a family and I'm not drunk.

1342
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm just no, you're fine, You're fine, Like my friend

1343
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: will tell you. She falls all the time anyway.

1344
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 6: So so she trus she and her brother transferred to

1345
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 6: our school and they live with their aunt, and we

1346
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 6: knew that her mom had passed away and her dad

1347
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 6: was in prison, and yeah, exactly, shit because we're children and.

1348
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: You shouldn't tell us things like that.

1349
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 6: So it just moved along. It was like, okay, like

1350
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 6: that's your family. I have a stepdad, Like we're all

1351
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 6: just different inspide, like we're moving along. And then like

1352
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 6: I think, it was like somewhere in high school and

1353
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 6: the front page of the news review You're welcome said

1354
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 6: like Jennifer's dad is released. And I was like, oh,

1355
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 6: look at this, and my parents were like, I'm like,

1356
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 6: what's happening. And so the story was that her mom

1357
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 6: had passed away because she hadn't read the instructions on

1358
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 6: the hairspray and she had lit a cigarette at the

1359
01:17:53,880 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 6: same time exactly, and so and I was like, what,

1360
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 6: I don't understand. But in the eighties you don't ask questions.

1361
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 6: You just are like, okay, up, check, let's go to

1362
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: boy Scouts or whatever.

1363
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: So years later I googled it and.

1364
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, she definitely there was a fire, but she had

1365
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 6: passed away after a gunshot with And I was like,

1366
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 6: so does anybody else see this? Like is anybody talking

1367
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 6: about this? Are you in counseling? Like, let's unpack this,

1368
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 6: and so it was. Yeah, it was very awkward because

1369
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 6: it was like in college and you know, Portland State,

1370
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 6: who's mascot, You guys need to know the name. It's

1371
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 6: a Viking and his name is Victor E.

1372
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: Viking.

1373
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: So the hometown's over now right, sorry, no, don't know.

1374
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: It was great.

1375
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 6: I understood later that she was in foster care and

1376
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 6: if you have the opportunity, please become a resource parent

1377
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 6: because like we need you.

1378
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, beautiful, Honor. That was great. Yeah, honor everybody, honor.

1379
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 3: Look now, Honor, you get your choice.

1380
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: Which Lucy would you like?

1381
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,919
Speaker 6: Definitely one that's been burned, yes, obviously, right.

1382
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, honor everybody. Let Roseburg know, Let Roseburg know how

1383
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 2: you feel. Oh my god, Portland, what a joy to

1384
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: be back here with you again live.

1385
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 3: There was a while there where it felt like it

1386
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: was never going to happen, and it's really a dream

1387
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: come true that we're here and that we get to

1388
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: see your face as in person. It really means the

1389
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 3: world to us that you give a shit about this

1390
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: podcast after ten years. It's incredible. Thank you so much,

1391
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 3: thank you, and look.

1392
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 4: We love your Portland, We support you. We love what

1393
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 4: you guys are fucking doing and you.

1394
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: Know, kick ass, kick ass.

1395
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also stay sexy and.

1396
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys. Elvis, do you want to cookie?

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01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 8: This has been an exactly right production.

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01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 4: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

1399
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 4: is Tessa Hughes.

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01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 8: Our editor is Aristotle Lascevedo.

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1402
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 8: Our researchers are Mayor McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1403
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,120
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1404
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,759
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1405
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1407
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