1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to she Pivots. This is Ali Webb. Welcome 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk with women 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: who dared to pivot out of one career and into 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: something new and explore how their personal lives impacted these decisions. 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm your host Emily Tish Sussman. 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Today. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to have Ali Webb on the show. Ali 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: is the founder of a company I know has touched 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: many of our lives. She's the creator, founder, and former 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: CEO of dry Bar. I wanted to book Ali because 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 3: I was so inspired by her honesty that after she 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: sold dry Bar, she fell into a deep depression. We 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: hear all of these stories of women building companies, selling them, 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: being the face of the company, and it seems like 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: they have it all all. He talks about how she 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: actually lost herself. By starting the company. She created a 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: revolutionary concept that transformed the hair care industry by focusing 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: exclusively on blowouts. What started as a single mobile service 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: grew into a national brand with over one hundred and 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 3: fifty locations and a line of professional hair products. After 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: building Drybar from the ground up, she made the bold 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: decision to sell the company, a move that allowed her 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: to explore new ventures and opportunities. Sounds like a nice, 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: simple pivot, right. Well, Like I said, the real story 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: is much more complicated and personal. She lays it all 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: out there in her book, The Messy Truth. She shares 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: candid insights into the ups and downs of entrepreneurship, the 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: challenges of balancing work and personal life, and the lessons 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: she has learned along the way. Her honesty is what 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: this show is all about. It's those deeply personal moments 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: that are the catalyst for many of us, and that 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: it's okay to talk about them. So sit back and 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: get ready to be inspired by the siness of life. 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: Enjoy. 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: My name is Ali Webb, and I'm best known probably 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: for founding the Dry Bar, but I would also say 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: I'm a serial entrepreneur New York Times and USA Today 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: best selling author. I mean, there's more, but that's about it, okay, 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: So let's rewind. We want to set the stage before 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: we get to everything that we're going to get to. 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: So where did you grow up? What did you want 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: to be when you grew up? Like? 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: Were you always like I have a very girly little 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: six year old who's always like doing her hair, Like, 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: was that you that's fun? No, I was not that. 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: I was such a tomboy. 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: You know, I have an older brother, you know, who 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: would become my business parern drybar, And yeah, no, I 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 4: was such a tomboy. I was like climate trees and 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: just running after my brother. And you know, it wasn't 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: until I was like probably in like middle school, high 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: school that I started to think about like beauty and 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: really beauty. It was like my hair, because my hair 54 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 4: is naturally curly and I grew up in South Florida, 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: so my hair was very frizzy, and I just didn't 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: know what to do with it, and it was so 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: perplexing to me. I mean, you know, I'm such a 58 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 4: believer and like everything happens the way it's supposed to, 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: and like, you know, thank god I grew up in 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 4: South Florida, because I don't know that. 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: It would have been the same, you know. 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: But I also had a mother who was very into 63 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 4: beauty and fashion, and she loved clothes and she went 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: to you know, her hair salon spa every weekend and 65 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: got a manicure and pedicure and her hair done, and 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 4: she would spend hours there, you know, and as I 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: got older, I would go with her to that and 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: like kind of developed an appreciation for that world. 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: And I used to beg my mom to blow out 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: my hair. 71 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: My mom wasn't a hair celist, but I just my 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: It was like I didn't know what to do with 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: my hair because it was so curly. 74 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: I ended up like putting it in a bun all 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the time. 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 4: And I remember seeing other women whose hair I mean, 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: again i'm aging myself, but like Cindy Crawford and Chrissy Brinkley, 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: like you know, they were like the supermodels back then, 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: and their hair always looked so bouncy and beautiful. I 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: know now how they got it to look like that. 81 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: But then I was like, why does it my hair 82 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: look like this? And how do I get into like this? 83 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: I mean the hours that I clocked in my bathroom 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: as a teenager trying to figure out how to blow 85 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 4: out my hair, you know. And then when I was sixteen, 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 4: I started working as a receptionist at a hair salon 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: in book Ratone and it was like the best gig ever, 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: because first of all, I loved the environment, which is 89 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: one of like the first telltale sign that. 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I needed to be in this world. 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: But secondly, they blew out my hair for free all 92 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: the time, and I would study them, like I watched 93 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: how they did it because I was so fascinated by it. 94 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just always been like it was always 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: a love. 96 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: But she didn't see it as a career, not yet anyway. 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I never thought of hair as like a profession. You know, 98 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: I didn't. 99 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking when I was sixteen, Oh, I want 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: to go to beauty school. Like I didn't think that 101 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 4: at all. I just was fascinated by hair. I thought 102 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: I would do something more in fashion. And I moved 103 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: to New York when I was eighteen when all my 104 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 4: friends were going to college and didn't go to college, 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: and went and worked for Nicole Miller and Cynthia Rally 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: and all. 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Did all of that. 108 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 4: And also to back up even more, when I was 109 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 4: before high school, I kind of in the beginning of 110 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: high school, I wanted to be a professional tennis player too, 111 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 4: and I went to Nivolitary for years and I thought 112 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: that might be what I did. 113 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: And I did not have nearly what it takes to 114 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: do that. 115 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: So, you know, there's been a lot of things that 116 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to do, and my parents were always really 117 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: supportive of all of it. But yeah, I ended up 118 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 4: in New York City, beauty adjacent. 119 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: Allie was working at Nicole Miller when her brother, who 120 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: worked at their corporate office, had an idea for their 121 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: first ever venture. 122 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: And so, being the ambitious, driven duo that we are, 123 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: my brother was like, let's franchise these Nicole Miller shops 124 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: because it was really successful. So we moved back to 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: Florida and we opened Nicole Miller's shops in Meisner Park, 126 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: if you know, Florida, and in Miami, and so, you know, 127 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: at the ripe old age of like twenty one, I 128 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: was managing these Nicole Miller shops, which was kind of 129 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 4: fun for a minute. And you know, we raised a 130 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: little money to open those first stores, and we were 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 4: so young, you know, I mean I was twenty one. 132 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: My brother was like twenty three, twenty four and playing 133 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: golf a lot, and I was in the stores managing people. 134 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: I was like, this is this isn't it? 135 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: You know? 136 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: And Michael and I were fighting a lot, and I 137 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: wasn't happy. He wasn't happy. 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: We were young, like it was just kind of a 139 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: mess and that was really that what actually gave me 140 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: the kind of push I guess to go to beauty 141 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 4: school because I was like, this. 142 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: Isn't it either, Like what am I going to do? 143 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: And I was like, the only thing I really love 144 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: is hair, Like maybe it's just go. 145 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: To beauty school, you know. 146 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 4: And I remember talking to my brother about it and 147 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 4: he was like, I think you should, Like you're you're 148 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 4: such a people person you love hair. 149 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. 150 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: And then that really helped give me the confidence to 151 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 4: take the bunch to go to beauty school, which I 152 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 4: completely fell in love with when I went. I was 153 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: lucky enough to work for this amazing man named John 154 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: Peters in La not La hus Boca and he happened 155 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: to be the father of one of my best friends 156 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: as I was growing up, and he really taught me 157 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: the ropes and would that job while I didn't know 158 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: it would really serve me throughout my career, and especially 159 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: with drybar because John was the owner and so I 160 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: was just assisting him to learn how to do hair 161 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: and he was an amazing stylist and I learned so 162 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: much from him about the hair itself, like styling, hair cutting, 163 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 4: hair all of that, but he was also the owner, 164 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 4: so like every five minutes, somebody was coming up to 165 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: him with a problem. And again I wasn't thinking or 166 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: paying attention to any of that, but I certainly learned 167 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: it and how he dealt with it and how he 168 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: managed a salon, which obviously would come to serve me 169 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: so many years later that I never would have imagined. 170 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: But his style kind of like he was always kind 171 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: of there was a lot of brevity, lot of humor, 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: and I remember it really worked, and I think it 173 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: was something that I adopted and like kind of put 174 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: in my back pocket that I didn't even know that 175 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: I had until I needed it. 176 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: Like a true twenty something. 177 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: Allie made a few more pivots into her quest to 178 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: find the right thing for her and then was. 179 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: Like, okay, what was next, And you know, I was 180 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: like I'm not staying here my whole life, and so 181 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: I was like back to New York. I worked for 182 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: John Sahag, who was, you know, really famous in the 183 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: back in the day. He was kind of a pioneer 184 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: of dry cutting, and you know, on any given day 185 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 4: you'd see like Julia and Moore there and like these 186 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: like the biggest, you know, actresses coming in, and it 187 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: was like a very it was really interesting. It was 188 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: a very zen salon, like there's fountains throughout the salon, 189 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: and you know, John liked things very like chill, and 190 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 4: I remember like washing dishes in the back room and 191 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: him coming in and like lowering the water temperature. Like 192 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: it was a really interesting environment, but it was. John 193 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: was just brilliant and he died many years ago, but man, 194 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 4: he was so respected in the in the industry, and 195 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: I felt like I was. I started over when I 196 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 4: moved back to New York and worked for him as 197 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: an assistant. 198 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: But I was blow drying hair all day and I 199 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: loved it. 200 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: And I always loved getting through a haircut anyways to 201 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: do the blowout, because that's really when you saw a 202 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: woman like light up and you could, you know, really 203 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 4: see it come to life. So yeah, so we did 204 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: that for a couple of years, and like a mid 205 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 4: twenty year old, I was like, I'll try something else now. 206 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: And then I ended up working in pr for a 207 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: little while because I had a couple of girlfriends who 208 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: were working at Rogers and Cowan at the time, and 209 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: that seemed really fun and way more fun than what 210 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: I was doing, and so I ended up working in 211 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: pr for. 212 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: A couple of years. 213 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 4: I met my first husband, Cameron Webb, when I lived 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: in New York, and then I was like really ready 215 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: to have babies and I really wanted to get married 216 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: and have kids, and so we got married, you know, 217 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: got engaged a year after we met and moved to LA. 218 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: He worked in advertising, so he needed to be like 219 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 4: in LA or San Francisco to New York. We had 220 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: a brief stop in San Francisco, which was not the 221 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: best year, and we moved to LA and my first son, 222 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 4: Grant was born, who's now nineteen, and I was like, 223 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: I kind of felt like I hit the jackpot because 224 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: I was able to be a stay at home mom 225 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 4: and stay at home with Grant, and you know, you 226 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: have kids like that. 227 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: First kid, you're like, it's so magical and you're at 228 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: least for me it was. 229 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: And I was like, first of all, can't believe I 230 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: made a person. And I was just so enamored with him, 231 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: you know, so enamored, and I just and I was 232 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: again felt so lucky that I was able to spend 233 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: all day just chilling with my baby. 234 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Like and Grant. He was such a good baby and 235 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: it was such a fun time. 236 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: And then I had my second son, Kit, a couple 237 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: of years later, and you know, once Kit got to 238 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: like crawling walking age and there was two, I was like, oh, 239 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: this is much harder than one. And I think I 240 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 4: just got to the point where I was like I 241 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 4: got to do something for myself, Like I was really 242 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 4: feeling like not satisfied. 243 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 5: You know. 244 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: I loved my children, and I loved that I was 245 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: able to stay home, and I stayed home for five 246 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 4: years with them, which was such a gift, but I 247 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: needed I just got that itch, you know, to go 248 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: do something for myself, which is really when I started 249 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: my mobile blowout business, which is you know what would 250 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: eventually lead to Drybar. 251 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: Were you satisfied those times that you were in those 252 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: five years, Like did you start to think about your 253 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: professional role differently, your professional self differently? Like that was 254 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: that was a real hard point for me. I felt 255 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: like I lost my identity when I lost my career. 256 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: But you're coming from a very different perspective, So I'm 257 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: really interested to hear about that. 258 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: Like I didn't think of it like I lost my 259 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: career because my career I was so unsteady for so 260 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 4: many years, and I had never really found the thing 261 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: that I like, really loved and like was my thing 262 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 4: the way you know, drybar would become. So, you know, 263 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: I was jumping around from job to job and career 264 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: to career for so many years, and and what felt 265 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: the most grounding and right for me was having children 266 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: and being a stay at home mom, you know, and 267 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: so doing in that time. And I would say for 268 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: about the first three years of that, like I was 269 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 4: happy as a clan, like this is it. I'm so happy, 270 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 4: and then you know, we grow and change, and then 271 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: I started to kind of grow out of that, and 272 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: I was surprised myself that I was like, huh, I 273 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: really thought I was going to be like as Pta 274 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: mom and I was going to be at all. 275 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: The school things, and that's what I was going to do. 276 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: And then I found out that I didn't really like that, 277 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: you know, and I didn't know that that was coming. 278 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: So I didn't you know, I didn't realize that I 279 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: didn't want that and I didn't want that life. 280 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to get back and do something for myself. 281 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 4: It was all pretty surprising to me and you know, also, 282 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: I always have paid attention to what feels right for me, 283 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 4: and for a while it did until it didn't, and 284 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: then when it didn't, I was like, Okay, here we go. 285 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're pretty comfortable with the idea 286 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: of change. I think that point that you're talking about 287 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: really inhibits a lot of women from taking one step 288 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: forward because they're so nervous about what's to come that 289 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: even if they feel that, like what you're describing inside 290 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: of you, that this thing that did fill me is 291 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: no longer filling me and I want to do something 292 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: for myself. I think the fear of change, this is 293 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: what I hear, you know, from a lot of people 294 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: in our community and listeners, ends up holding them back 295 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: and so they can't figure out what to do. They're 296 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: paralyzed by the decision. How did you You're comfortable with change, 297 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: but how did you feel like, did you try a 298 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: bunch of different things first, or you said, I know 299 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: what my thing is, I'm going back to hair. 300 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 4: No, I did try a bunch of different things first, 301 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: and I it is it's such an interesting good point, 302 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: Like I wonder like if that's just in our DNA 303 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: or if that's something where we can learn and yet 304 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: to answer your question, when I did decide that I 305 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: wanted just to figure something out, there was there was 306 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 4: other things that came before the mobile blah business. Like 307 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: I a friend of mine was opening a store and 308 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: so I went to work for her, and I was like, no, 309 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 4: this doesn't feel right either. And my best friend Paige, 310 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 4: who I you know, talk about a lot in the 311 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: book because we met when our boys were babies and 312 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: they're nineteen and we've been messed and ever said she 313 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: planned a bunch of events and like parties for me 314 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 4: and for all of our friends, and she was so 315 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: good at it, and you know, we would We decided 316 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: to open an event planning business together, which is really 317 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: her talent, and I was like, and I'll help you 318 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: run it, you know, and really didn't work because it 319 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: really wasn't my passion. I wanted to like support her 320 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: and like figure out how to do that together, and 321 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: was like. 322 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: No, that wasn't it either. 323 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: I also had like a dog walking business when I 324 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: lived in San Francisco over a year, like I'm a 325 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: pretty like let's try, you know, and I'm not afraid 326 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: of I guess I'm not afraid of failure. I guess 327 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: I'm not afraid. I mean because my dog walking business. 328 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it was a success for a minute. But 329 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: then I was like, this is not this is not 330 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: doing it for me either, you know, so like, let's 331 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: switch it up. And I guess I've always had a 332 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: lot of or like, I haven't had a lot of 333 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: fear of change or failure, regardless of the outcome. 334 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so you started the moment hair business. 335 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: Was it always just going to be blowouts or were 336 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: you going to make it a whole mobile business. 337 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: No, it was always going to be blowouts because I 338 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: didn't want Like, first of all, I didn't love cutting hair, 339 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: like I liked it, but I loved blue driving hair. 340 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it was because of my own, 341 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: you know, personal fascination with hair for so many years, 342 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: and so I was like, I don't And I also like, 343 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: in my mind it felt so complicated. If I was 344 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: going to be cutting people's hair, I would need to 345 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: do it in front of a mirror, like it entailed 346 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: a couple more things that really, at the end of 347 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: the day, weren't all that difficult to figure out. But 348 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: I was like, no, I just want to do the blowouts. 349 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: That's the part I really love. So that's what I'm 350 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: going to do. And I felt like, surely there would 351 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: be enough women in LA like me who have, you know, 352 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: unruly hair and just would like somebody to come and 353 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: blow their hair out. And you know, my pitch at 354 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: that time was like I posted on like a mommy 355 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: blog that I was a part of that had like 356 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 4: five thousand women in LA, and I said, you know, 357 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: I'm a longtime hairstylist, stay at home mom. I'm thinking 358 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: about starting a mobile business just to get out of 359 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 4: the house for a couple hours and you know, talk 360 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 4: to adults. And I'm only gonna I'm thinking about charging 361 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: thirty five or forty dollars is like two twenties. And 362 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: as you might imagine, I got a lot of calls 363 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: very quickly because it was only forty bucks. And that 364 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: was like, you know, that was the whole business plan, 365 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: and it was it was again more about getting out 366 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: and doing something for myself versus like trying to get 367 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: really rich from it. 368 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even sure I made money. 369 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: I probably lost money because I was only charging forty 370 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 4: bucks with gas, and I mean you know, the business 371 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: plan wasn't great, but it really I remember so vividly 372 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: feeling so like I love this, Like. 373 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: I was so happy. 374 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: And I met these amazing women all over LA and 375 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: they would tell their friends and they tell their friends friends, 376 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: and it was such an interesting, fun time and I 377 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: was like, this is this is exactly what I wanted. 378 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: It was perfect at the time, but like anything, it 379 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: grew or not anything, but you know, there was change 380 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: coming and I was getting so busy, and I was 381 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 4: starting to say no more than I was saying yes, 382 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: because really, at the end of the day only had 383 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: like three or four hours and that was only like 384 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: two or three blowouts, and then I had to go 385 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: pick up my kids. So that's when, you know, I 386 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: came to this crossroads of like maybe instead of me 387 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: going to them, I should have them come to me, 388 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: but keep the price low, you know. And so that's 389 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 4: when I went to my brother and said, hey, I 390 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: think I should turn my mobile business into a brick 391 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: and mortar. 392 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: And soon dry Bar was officially official when she opened 393 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: the first salon in Brentwood. After the break, Allie talks 394 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: about how she curated the. 395 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: Dry bar experience. We all know and love stay. 396 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 5: Tuned, so at the end of the day, I mean, 397 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 5: the things that made Drybar dry Bar were those early 398 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 5: decisions of like putting the mirrors behind the station and 399 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: setting it up like a bar, and you know, so many, 400 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 5: so many. 401 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 4: If those decisions were informed for my mobile business because like, 402 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: for example, I was doing women's hair in their kitchen 403 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: or living or rarely was I in their personal bathroom 404 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 4: with them, so I didn't have. 405 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: A mirror in front of me, which I didn't need 406 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: a mirror. 407 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 4: I wasn't cutting hair, which is also part of my 408 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: like why I didn't want to be cutting hair, you know, 409 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: because that whole setup would be very different. And it 410 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 4: was such an interesting inflection because I realized I was 411 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 4: able to do these women's hair without them being able 412 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 4: to see it, so I could get their hair exactly 413 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: how I wanted it to look before they ever even 414 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: saw it. And then when I was done, I'd say okay, 415 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: and they'd get up and go look in a mirror, 416 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 4: and that's when, you know, there'd usually be like a 417 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 4: sweel of delight and they were so excited and loved it. 418 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 4: But you know, it's hard to not micromanage a stylist 419 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: when you're looking at the like the process, you know. 420 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: So I found that so freeing for me as a hairstylist, 421 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: and then for them to not worry about like they 422 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: couldn't see it, so they weren't going to worry about 423 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: it until the end anyways, which is also how you know, 424 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: that's how the bar came to be, and not sitting 425 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: in front of a mirror and aditional station. And also 426 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: it was like who wants to stare at themselves for 427 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: forty five minutes? Why they're getting a hircut, Like let's 428 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 4: take all that away from the traditional salon set up. 429 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: And that's part of why we had the flat screen 430 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: TVs with like Gurly chick flakes, Like it was really 431 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: meant to create an experience of like, honestly like what 432 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: I wished for, you know. It was like years and 433 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: years ago I was I was at a nail salon 434 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 4: in San Francisco, some just random hole in the wall 435 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 4: nail salon, and they had a TV on that was 436 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 4: playing Sex in the City and they had subtitles, and 437 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: I remember loving that nail salm and lad where was 438 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 4: where I went all the time because it was like 439 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 4: I could get a manicure and like, watch that show. 440 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: I could read it so I didn't have to hear 441 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: it because it was loud and whatever. And I was like, 442 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 4: this is so brilliant. I loved it, you know. And 443 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 4: it was like all these things that I stored up 444 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 4: in my brain came out when we were, you know, 445 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 4: concepting what drybar would be. 446 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: Until drive Bar came along, the innovative Britain child of 447 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: Ali Webb. 448 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: Drive Bar is a place where you go for just 449 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 4: a blowout, no cuts, no color, just blowout. 450 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: We wash your hair and then we style it and 451 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: send you on your way. You are a true pioneer 452 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: in the beauty industry as a founder of a one 453 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar empire. 454 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: You've turned the art of the blowout into a booming 455 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: business and a nationwide phenomenon. 456 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: Take us back to the early days. 457 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: Ybar is the largest hair blow dry chain in the nation. 458 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 6: Founder Ali Webb opened the first dry bar in California 459 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 6: back in twenty ten with the motto was this no cuts, 460 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 6: no color, just blowouts. It's locations give. 461 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: More than one million blowouts a year. The company has 462 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: now expend so it grew very quickly. 463 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: And you had said that you'd wanted to be able 464 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: to stay connected to that business, were you able to 465 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: do it. 466 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Well that you know, would progressively get harder and harder. 467 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 4: You know, the first store, I was, you know, for 468 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: the first like six months, I was at that first station, 469 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: blow drying hair, watching the front desk, watching the line 470 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: of stylists talking to clients as they came in, and 471 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 4: it was like I was on such a high. It 472 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 4: was so crazy and fun and a lot though, you know, 473 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 4: my kids were really small. Luckily my mom was around 474 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 4: then and she didn't really helped so much with the kids. 475 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I held onto that pretty tightly 476 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: for a long time. And you know, I remember we 477 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 4: had opened our second store, which was in Studio City, 478 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: and the first one was in Brentwood, and you know, 479 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: they weren't super close together, and you had to go 480 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 4: over the hill to get to that store. And that 481 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 4: store actually took a long time to ramp up. I 482 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 4: mean a lot of the stores took a long time 483 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: to ramp up, even though Brentwood was like kind of instant. 484 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I I was, you know, kind 485 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 4: of managing two stores, and then we opened the third store, 486 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 4: and I could kind of handle that, like I would 487 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 4: say until I mean, I didn't even think that we 488 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: needed a manager in the Brentwood store like that. I 489 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 4: would just be the manager. And you know, I was 490 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: thinking so small back then. And after like two weeks, 491 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 4: I was like, I need help, you know, and I 492 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: brought in someone to help manage that store. And then 493 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: within six months we opened the second store, and I 494 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: hired a manager for that, and now I became kind 495 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 4: of the regional manager. And then we opened the third 496 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: and so every story got you know, its own manager 497 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: that grew, you know, to like district managers that I 498 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: was then managing, and you know, and I was also 499 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: managing or trying to manage, like training, because that was 500 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 4: a whole other thing that I mean, there were so 501 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 4: many things about this business that I didn't see coming. 502 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: It was like, you know, we couldn't just throw stylists 503 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: on the floor. We had to make sure that they 504 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: could do all different types of hair and execute all 505 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: the styles and all of that. Then that was a 506 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: whole other thing I had to work on and bring 507 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: on a team to help me with that. And I would, 508 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: you know, I would pull out stylists from our shops 509 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: to help with training, and then and then we started 510 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 4: developing product after we raised our first chune of money, 511 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: and then that was a whole other I mean it 512 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: was just like, you know, thing after thing after thing 513 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: as this grew and I was very, very connected to 514 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 4: it for a very long time in a lot of 515 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: different areas. And it wasn't until you know, three four 516 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: years in we brought in a professional CEO, this amazing man, 517 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 4: John Hefner, who had worked in founder led organizations and 518 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 4: he and we also brought in before him a president 519 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: of retail and. 520 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 1: She was great, helped, you know. 521 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: I remember she's like telling us all these positions that 522 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: we needed that as someone who never worked in any 523 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 4: kind of corporate environment, was like, I don't even know 524 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: what that is, Like what is that we need a 525 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: head of operations of what's operations? Like, we need a 526 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 4: head of HR we you know, all these things that 527 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, okay, you know, And so 528 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 4: she was really and also it was a crazy time 529 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: too because Michael and I I don't even think Michael, 530 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 4: Michael or Camp weren't even taking money from the business. 531 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: I was like taking a salary under thirty grand or 532 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 4: something ridiculous because we were just in such growth mode. 533 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: And luckily Cameron had a salary because he was still 534 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: working at his advertising agency. But it was that, you know, 535 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: first big hire that informed so many decisions of like 536 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 4: growing the company, and that you know, the people who 537 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 4: were running it, and so we Michael and I didn't 538 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 4: have to do everything ourselves. So it was it was 539 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: really interesting, such an education for me. I'm like, now 540 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: I really understand operations and HR and all the things 541 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: that you need to run a business by. 542 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: Back back then it was like, huh, what's that? What's that? 543 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: What's that? It was so fascinating to me. 544 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: You know, I didn't have any experience in that world, 545 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: and I learned it all as we went and started 546 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: to be able to step away from all from things 547 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: that a I wasn't very good at and be things 548 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 4: I didn't want to be doing, like payroll, you know, 549 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: stuff like that that was not for me. 550 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the professional side. Let's switch 551 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: over to the personal side. So what was going on 552 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: as your business was growing. You have a husband, you 553 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: work with your brother, you have two relatively young children 554 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: who are now growing. As your business is growing and 555 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 3: it's taking more of your attention. 556 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 557 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: It was an interesting time because so I was working 558 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: like crazy, you know, and I was traveling like crazy, 559 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: and I loved it. 560 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: It was I was on this. 561 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 4: High of building this brand and how people were begging 562 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: us to come to their cities, and it was so 563 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 4: exciting and intoxicating really all the opportunities that were coming. 564 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: And I had never traveled like that, I'd never been 565 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 4: the boss, I'd never been in a situation like that. 566 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: So I was really like, I loved it. But yeah, 567 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 4: on the flip side, you know, it was an interesting 568 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 4: time for my ex husband Cam and I because I 569 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: kind of became the front person and in our whole relationship, 570 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 4: he traveled for work and he was the breadwinner, you know, 571 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 4: and so now the roles of switched, and so that 572 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 4: put a lot of pressure on the marriage. And yeah, 573 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 4: my kids were growing, and you know, I remember Grant, 574 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 4: who's nineteen now, saying to me, like, why do you 575 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 4: have to open stores in New York? Why can't you 576 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 4: just open stores in LA so you don't have to leave, 577 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: you know, Kit, my younger son, who's like so sweet 578 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: but a bit of a like space Cadet was like, 579 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 4: you know, I'd be gone for a week and Cam 580 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: would tell me that like three or four days in 581 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: kid would be like where's mom? You know, very different children, 582 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 4: which is just such a funny joke, and so my 583 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 4: child to a tea. 584 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, it was. It was a lot. 585 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 4: And like I said, my mom was around then and 586 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: she was like a second mother to them. And we 587 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 4: had nanny's and stuff too, But my mom was so helpful, 588 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: and I think that that easy a lot of the 589 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: guilt that I had of traveling and doing this so much. 590 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 4: And I was really torn, you know, And I was 591 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: really torn between like this excitement and wanting to do 592 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 4: all of this travel and. 593 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: Be be and everything and then like raising little kids. 594 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: So it was. It was an interesting and challenging time 595 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: for me, for sure. 596 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: Despite the business growing, things at home continued to unravel. 597 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: The switching roles, the busy schedules, the caretaking for the kids, 598 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: it all became too much and it started to strain 599 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: her marriage. 600 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: The breakdown of my marriage was certainly, you know, I 601 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: don't it wasn't because of drybar, you know. It was 602 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 4: a drybar was a distraction that actually probably kept us 603 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 4: together longer because you know, and the kids. It's like, 604 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: we had these kids and then we had Drybar and 605 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: we had this like really fun, great life and we 606 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 4: were best friends and he's an amazing man. It just 607 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 4: it wasn't like that, you know, love that is just 608 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 4: like that. I mean hopefully you know it and people 609 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: listening to it know what I'm talking about. That just 610 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: that that love that you know, I've now come to 611 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 4: learn exists, and you know, and I always had this 612 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: like gnawing that, like this, this can't be it for us, 613 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 4: you know, for either one of us. And I knew, 614 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 4: you know, we both felt like we wanted to honor 615 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 4: the commitment that we made, but we both really weren't 616 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 4: happy for lots of reasons. And you know, it would 617 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 4: take me several years to get up the courage to say, 618 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 4: you know, I think for a while I tried to 619 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: keep us together for the kids. And then I realized, like, 620 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: I don't think we were fighting a lot, and I 621 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 4: was certainly not the best version of myself, and I 622 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 4: was like, I don't think this is what I want 623 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: my kids to see. 624 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: This is not the modeling I want to do. 625 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 4: And so that started to really come up for me, 626 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: and I was like, I cannot stay in this marriage. 627 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: And we, like I said, neither one of us were happy. 628 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 4: And so it was about year six or seven that 629 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 4: I finally, you know, got the courage, which I talk 630 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 4: a lot in the book. 631 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: I go into in a lot more detail abow that 632 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: that all came to be. 633 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 4: But yeah, I finally like made the decision that this 634 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 4: wasn't the right thing for us, and you know, and Cam, 635 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 4: I know, Cam really agreed and it got rocky there 636 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: for a while, but it was the right thing on 637 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: so many levels. And I don't have any regrets about that. 638 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 4: And you know, my kids went through it. And there's 639 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: a whole chapter in the book about Grant and him 640 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 4: going through what he went through, which I think would 641 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: have happened regardless of the divorce. You know, I strongly 642 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 4: believe that we are just the conduit for our children 643 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 4: and they are on their own path, and I think 644 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 4: that this would have happened to him regardless. And I 645 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: also think it was like a blessing. I don't I wouldn't. 646 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: I wouldn't even take it away if I could, because 647 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: it was so so much growth for all of us, 648 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: happened because of that. 649 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: That Ali referenced was her son's mental health struggle around 650 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: the time he entered high school, and on top of 651 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: it all, her mother passed from cancer. When we come back, 652 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: Ali talks candidly about the impact of it all. 653 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, at the time, I felt like I'm a terrible mother, 654 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 4: a terrible person, Like how did I get here? 655 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: And I put a lot of it on myself. 656 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: It would take a lot of unwinding of that whole 657 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: situation to realize, like I said, and come to terms 658 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: with the fact that like the things that led my 659 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: son to his own unraveling was really stuff that was 660 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: internal for him that he had experienced his whole life, 661 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 4: you know, even though it was only thirteen years. I mean, 662 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 4: he once we got into the crux of what was 663 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: happening for him, which by the way, he couldn't articulate 664 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: when he was sad and when things were starting. 665 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: To unravel like that, you know, he would be like. 666 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: Was he was like this ticking time bomb, Like he 667 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 4: was always like felt like he was about to explode, 668 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: Like he was angry and mad at us, and he 669 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: was like, why aren't you helping me? And and he 670 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: was so sad, and we're like, what do you mean, Like, 671 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: what's tell us, what's happening? 672 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: What are you so upset about? And he didn't have 673 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: the language. 674 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 4: It was. It was incredibly fascinating. I was like, just 675 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 4: tell us, like what are you upset about? 676 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: What's wrong? What happened? 677 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: You know? 678 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: And he couldn't say it. And I was like, is 679 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 4: he just not telling us? Or can he really not 680 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: say it? And now I know that he just really 681 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 4: didn't know how he didn't know what was wrong. Something 682 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: was really wrong. And so and that's the thing that 683 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 4: I think is important and fascinating about his story is that, 684 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: to my knowledge, there was not like a big tea trauma, 685 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 4: Like there wasn't like abuse that happened in the traditional sense, 686 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: Like there was not like one big bam thing that 687 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 4: happened that made him, you know, go into this place. 688 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 4: It was a combination of things, you know, I mean, 689 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 4: And from what I own about the situation, for sure 690 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 4: was like I moved them around a lot, so they 691 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: didn't have like a good foundation of friends. That was 692 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: certainly happening. We moved a lot, and we moved to 693 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: Orange County for a couple of years, and we moved 694 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 4: back to la and so he started in middle school 695 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 4: with brand new kids. He had really bad acne. You know, 696 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: there was like a confluence of events that were happening 697 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 4: that were just hard on him, you know. And then 698 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 4: there was like things that had happened with his little brother, 699 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: and things that had happened with me, and things that 700 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: happened with his dad, and like these little small tea traumas, 701 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: as I learned that they call them. And when I 702 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: think that for sure, when his dad and I got divorced, 703 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 4: I think that was like the final kind of straw 704 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: that broke the camel's back for sure. And you know, 705 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: he was starting to experiment with smoking pot and like drinking, 706 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: and I did that too when I was around his age, 707 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 4: and my parents were really liberal and easy going, and 708 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 4: so I was like, and Cam my first husband, he 709 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: grew up Mormon, so he wasn't allowed to do anything, 710 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 4: and I was allowed to do any anything I wanted, 711 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 4: and so we kind of were like we went more 712 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 4: with the like let's like be cool and casual with 713 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 4: our kids, and there wasn't a lot of boundaries, and 714 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: turns out Grant and he did more boundaries, and so 715 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 4: he started, you know, smoking pot, which you know, it's 716 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: interesting because I think when you hear that, people were like, oh, well, 717 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: you know, pot's not really addictive like it actually is. 718 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 4: And he, you know, it led to other things and 719 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: he was what I would now learn was self medicating 720 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 4: to deal with the pain that he was feeling. He 721 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 4: started cutting like all these things, and we were like, 722 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 4: I had no experience in this, and so we were 723 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: so like, oh, oh my god, what what do we do? 724 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 4: And you know, we took him to a therapist. Totally 725 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 4: outsmarted the therapist and so that didn't work. And one 726 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 4: of the final things that made us realize, this is 727 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: out of our hands. We need we need like bigger 728 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 4: help than a therapist. He was he got kicked out 729 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: of a trip in the eighth grade, and then he 730 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 4: was about to start high school and he was about 731 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 4: to play football and he brought like some the apparatus 732 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 4: for pot whatever the kids bring it, and he got 733 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 4: caught with it and they kicked him out, and I 734 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 4: was like, oh my god. 735 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: So then Cam and I started researching, like what do 736 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: we do? 737 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 4: And so we ended up finding a local place in 738 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 4: la which was like a kind of a therapeutic rehabish place, 739 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 4: which he was so mad at us. Oh my god, 740 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 4: it was terrible. He was so angry at us for 741 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: sending him there. But you know, he you know, he 742 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: started to do the work, but it would he would 743 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 4: end up going to three different places. He was at 744 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: this place for a little while, and then he went 745 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 4: to a place in Utah which was called a vogue, 746 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 4: which is a like you live off the land for 747 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: six months, which was like the greatest experience for him. 748 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: Like we were only allowed to come visit once, and 749 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: we came and visited him. Like he could start a fire. 750 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 4: He was like chiseling away, like he made me a wooden. 751 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: Spoon, and he could make his own food. I mean, 752 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: it was just like. 753 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 4: This beautiful transformation that was happening to him. And then 754 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 4: then he went to a therapeutic boarding school for six 755 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: months or so, and so he came back and started, well, 756 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: he would have started high school, but then we were 757 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 4: in the middle of COVID, and so he started. He 758 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: came back towards the end of tenth grade, so he 759 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 4: was gone for ninth and ten grade, and then he 760 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 4: started school in school in high school in eleventh grade 761 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 4: and it was just it was an incredibly expensive and 762 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 4: it was incredibly like hard on us for two years. 763 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 4: I mean of that him being gone, I mean it's like, 764 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 4: can you imagine you have young kids, like you imagine 765 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 4: like I lost two years with my son because he 766 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: was you know, it was and it was it was horrific. 767 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: I mean it was so sad, but you know, it 768 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 4: all worked out really well. And when he came home 769 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: he was pretty lost, and there was that we had 770 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: to do more work and more therapy, and he had 771 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 4: a lot of therapy when he came home and then 772 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 4: he he slowly but surely found his way and he 773 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 4: ended up playing football only his senior year. But he 774 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 4: was so he's so driven and so extremist that he 775 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 4: got himself a football scholarship to Dennis and University. 776 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't have imagined that. That is amazing. So yeah, 777 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: in this show, we tend to think about we sort 778 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: of structure it out. We tend to think about like 779 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: our first career, our intervening life event that is so 780 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: traumatic that it changes our perspective, and then the perspective 781 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: change and what happens after And it seems like for 782 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: you you had a culmination of a couple of events 783 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: at the same time. It was divorce, kind of being 784 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: pushed out of the business, your son, and your mother passing. Yes, 785 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot. It was a lot. 786 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 3: Did it feel to you like all of those things 787 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 3: were building upon one another. 788 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, my gosh, totally. I mean it was like, 789 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: you know, I think I'd been kind of floating for 790 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 4: so many years and like doing my thing and whatever, 791 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, Yeah, I was like 792 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 4: the kids and then the business, and then you know, 793 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 4: the marriage falling apart, and my son going through what 794 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,479 Speaker 4: he was going through, and my mom dying, and those 795 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: things were so hard and sad, right, But then on 796 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 4: the flip side of that, there was so much success 797 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: and I was being praised and celebrated, and I was 798 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 4: I was also like I'm at the forefront of like 799 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 4: female entrepreneurs starting to have a voice, you know. So 800 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 4: it was such a duality, such a crazy duality of like, 801 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 4: holy shit, my life is falling apart and I'm so sad. 802 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 4: And I went through like I had never I'd never 803 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 4: dealt with like depression. I'd heard a lot about it 804 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 4: and heard people talk about I've never really understood it 805 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 4: until my world came crashing down and I and I 806 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 4: really experienced depression to like where I couldn't get up, 807 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 4: you know, where I was so sad and you know, 808 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 4: wasn't eating and like all that, and I was like 809 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 4: this is crazy. And for me, you know, I was 810 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 4: like never experienced that. And then trying to like figure 811 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 4: out how to dance in those with those two things. 812 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was the combination. It was like bam bam, bam, 813 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 4: bam bam. 814 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 5: You know. 815 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 4: It was like the divorce, my son going to rehab, 816 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 4: me falling into a depression, my mom dying, like that 817 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 4: all happened in like a two year period that. 818 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: It was just you know, and so it took me 819 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: a couple of years to come out of that. 820 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 4: And you know, of course the first priority was my son, 821 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 4: which really ended up being, like I said, a blessing, 822 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 4: and it brought my ex and I back together in 823 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 4: the sense of like we need to take care of 824 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 4: our kid and nothing else matters, you know, And so 825 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 4: we were doing group therapy together and so that was 826 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 4: helping us mend to and just as a family, we 827 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 4: all we did not a family therapy, and so like 828 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 4: we really came together as a family unit, you know. 829 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 4: And then I met my second husband, and you know, 830 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 4: he was he was very different than my first, and 831 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: so my kids were able to see a different type 832 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 4: of man, which I thought was really beautiful. And and 833 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 4: my kids really saw me in love, you know, in 834 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 4: a way that I had. They didn't see me with 835 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 4: their dad, which was also really great. I mean, unfortunately 836 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 4: that didn't work either, but it was still a good 837 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 4: model for them. 838 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: Even if it was for a short time. 839 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, the shit all hit the fan 840 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 4: at the same time, which I guess is like kind 841 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 4: of what happens. You know, It's like things start unraveling 842 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 4: and then they just really unravel. 843 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 3: At least that was my case. But she still had 844 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: a company to run. They had sold in twenty nineteen, 845 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 3: a few years prior, but she was still playing a 846 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 3: key role in leading the company. At the same time, 847 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: her public persona was growing. She appeared on Shark Tank 848 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 3: as a guest and was doing speaking appearance after media 849 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 3: appearance after speaking appearance, all while her personal life was 850 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: in chaos. 851 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 4: There were things during that time I remember that I 852 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 4: had to do, and I like excruciating, like I don't 853 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 4: know if you've ever had to like show up for 854 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 4: something when you are just like feel so broken inside. 855 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 4: But I, you know, I can remember being having to 856 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 4: do some press event and then like coming off stage 857 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 4: and just like finding a bathroom and like crying, you know, 858 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 4: just bursting into tears because it was so I had 859 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 4: to summoned so much to like bring it and be 860 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 4: on and it was like my responsibility for things I 861 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 4: had to do for the business because you know, we 862 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 4: had raised seventy five million, and we had a board 863 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 4: and we had you know, and so again I wasn't 864 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 4: I was lucky. 865 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: That I had a lot of sport. 866 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 4: I could do what I need to do, but there 867 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 4: was also that piece of it that I had to 868 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 4: like still show up. And that was a really like 869 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 4: I mean probably very character building, you know, to like 870 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 4: you sum it up and you get out and you 871 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 4: do the thing and then you go fall apart, which 872 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 4: I did, and man, it was it was such an 873 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 4: interesting time. And I, you know, I experienced that again 874 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 4: this last year of like I just don't want to 875 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 4: do anything, but I've worked, you know for almost three 876 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 4: years on this book, like I gotta go go do it, 877 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 4: and take my power back, you know. 878 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you feel like you have taken your 879 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: power back because your book's been such a big success. 880 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 2: I do. 881 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 4: I do. 882 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: I feel really empowered. 883 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 4: And yeah, it's it's interesting to be in this new 884 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 4: chapter of my life and I'm you know, finally starting 885 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 4: to feel good again and excited about what's next. And 886 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: you know, I dipped out of that for a while 887 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 4: and just you know, felt really defeated. 888 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: And now, yeah, I'm so excited again. 889 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 4: And like the reason I brought her up is, I 890 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 4: just texted her this morning like I'm so excited for 891 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 4: this new chapter because I have these new projects and 892 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 4: this new stuff and it feels very life giving to me, 893 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 4: whereas like I felt, I have felt really lost even 894 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 4: before my marriage broke down, you know, during COVID and 895 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 4: all of that, and we were just selling the business. 896 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: It's like what do I do now? Who am I now? 897 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: Like such a loss of identity, you know that it 898 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: was like it's been. 899 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 4: Like a erring couple of years trying to figure out 900 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 4: even though you know, I've had some great success and 901 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 4: we've sold the business and there you know, and financially 902 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 4: I'm okay, but it's just you know, figuring out like 903 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 4: my new purpose and where I like, what I like, 904 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 4: what I want to be doing with my time has 905 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 4: been an interesting exploration for sure. 906 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're personal and professional or more 907 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: aligned now? Yes, totally? You know. 908 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 4: I mean now, I'm I've done so much work on 909 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 4: myself in the last year, and I've really embraced a 910 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 4: lot of spirituality, a lot of God, a lot of 911 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 4: you know that's like been really important to me. And 912 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 4: now I think that this person that I'm building is 913 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 4: so much stronger and resilient than the person I have 914 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 4: historically been, you know, and like embracing my own strength, 915 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 4: I think I've learned And this is a lot of 916 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 4: like therapy and a lot of we don't want to 917 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 4: go down this rabbit hole, but like you know that 918 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 4: I've historically kind of abandoned myself to a man, you know, 919 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 4: and I once I go into a relationship, I you know, 920 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 4: kind of fall all over them. And I'm not sure 921 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 4: if my excess would agree with that, but you know, 922 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 4: I know in the way you know that I've just 923 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 4: given up a lot of my own agency in a 924 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 4: lot of different ways, you know, And I think that 925 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 4: for me, the big life goal is like to be 926 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 4: able to find the Dare I say balance because I 927 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 4: have a chapter in my book called you know, balance 928 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 4: is bullshit because balance isn't balanced right, you know, It's 929 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 4: like it's all over the place. But I you know, 930 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 4: my goal right now in my life is to continue 931 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 4: to do the things that I really enjoy doing, whatever 932 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 4: that looks like while being in a relationship and not 933 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 4: compromising what I like and who I am for a relationship, 934 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 4: which I think I've historically done. 935 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: But what is one thing that at the time you 936 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 3: felt like with a low point, like you may not 937 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 3: actually be able to get yourself out of it, and 938 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 3: now looking back, you felt like it really built you 939 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 3: to who you are now. 940 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, gosh, I've had a few of those. 941 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 4: I mean there was there were times when my this 942 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 4: is like right before Grant went to rehab and I 943 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 4: but I you know, it was like I could feel 944 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 4: it like this kid's in trouble and I'm and I 945 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 4: was so depressed. It was right after my first divorce, 946 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, I just was like 947 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do, Like I don't know 948 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 4: how to I can't get out of bed, like I'm 949 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 4: so like overwhelmed with my own sadness and my own 950 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 4: and my son's sadness and my son's like I don't 951 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 4: know what to do for my son, I don't know 952 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 4: what to do for myself. Like it was such an 953 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 4: time where I felt like just just how. 954 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: Am I ever going to get out of this? 955 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 4: Like it was the worst. And I remember the feeling, 956 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 4: and I remember, like I remember I was. I was 957 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 4: in an attempt to like do something good. I was 958 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 4: I'll never forget. I was driving to with my son 959 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 4: grant to volunteer at a baby to baby thing, and 960 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 4: I was like this is good, like this feels like, 961 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 4: you know, let's go be of service, like that's important. 962 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 4: But I remember being in the car being like I 963 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 4: just don't you know. It was the only time I 964 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 4: think that I'd ever like even contemplated like I don't 965 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 4: even think I want to be here anymore, Like I'm 966 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 4: so down, you know, And that was that was an 967 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 4: interesting point for me, And also realizing admitting that self 968 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 4: all in my head to myself was really interesting, you 969 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 4: know that I was like, oh God, things are really bad. 970 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: You know. 971 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 4: But all that said, hitting that rock bottom and that 972 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 4: low point would end up like being where all the 973 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 4: growth was and like, Okay, what is happening here? You know, 974 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 4: and I have to like dig into this and figure 975 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 4: this out and like propel myself out of bed, propel 976 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 4: myself into like just getting up every day. 977 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: And doing the thing. 978 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 4: And I went to on Site, which is in Nashville, 979 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 4: which is like a therapeutic center where you or you know, 980 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 4: six days, you give up your phone and you're in 981 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 4: like intensive therapy for six days. 982 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: It's crazy, and it. 983 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 4: Was amazing, you know, to like every modality you can 984 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 4: imagine to try to like you know, catapult myself out 985 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 4: of what I was going through. 986 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's what it was about. 987 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 5: You know. 988 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: It's just like day after day doing the work, doing 989 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: the work, doing the work. 990 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 4: And you know, my best friend Page, who's been such 991 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 4: a rock for me, is like, you know, I used 992 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 4: to say, like I'm here on the other side, You're 993 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 4: going to get through this, like it's going to get better, 994 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 4: you know, and and a lot of people around me 995 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 4: helping support and just doing all the things I could do. 996 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 4: And now it's crazy when you've been on that side 997 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 4: of life of pain and darkness, in the moment, you 998 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 4: feel like it's never going to end. But now I 999 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 4: can remember it quite well, but I don't feel it anymore, 1000 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 4: and it's such a you know, it's kind of like 1001 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 4: I think the best for me. The best way to 1002 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 4: think of it as like you know, when you get 1003 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 4: really sick and like you have the flu and you're 1004 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 4: just like you feel like death and whatever, and then 1005 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,720 Speaker 4: you realize in those moments that like you're how important 1006 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,959 Speaker 4: your health is, and when you finally start to feel better, 1007 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 4: it's like a miracle and you're like, thank God, I 1008 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 4: feel better. And that's really how I have felt, you know. 1009 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I dealt with it in my 1010 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 4: first marriage ending and then in my second marriage ending 1011 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 4: where I'm like, I can't wait to be on the 1012 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 4: other side of this and get through it. And I 1013 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 4: finally have and took a long time, and now I'm 1014 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 4: grateful and who knows, like hopefully, like I'll get a 1015 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 4: break and it won't come you know, it'll be a 1016 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 4: little smoother in the next few years, but like who 1017 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 4: knows what life has in store for us. 1018 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Alie for joining us. 1019 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been so fun talking to you, well, almost therapeutic, 1020 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 4: I could say. 1021 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, doing. 1022 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 4: Interviews like this and talking more and more about this stuff. 1023 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm really glad that you asked me 1024 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 4: to talk more about Grant because I do think that 1025 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 4: that is a subject that is quite prevalent for a 1026 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 4: lot of people who also don't want to talk about it, 1027 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 4: you know, And the more I talk about it, I 1028 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 4: guarantee you I will get messages from people who hear 1029 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 4: this and say, you know what, I'm in this, what 1030 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 4: do I do? Because it is an overwhelming process when 1031 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 4: you're dealing with this, because we're so emotionally hijacked and 1032 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 4: now I have to like figure out what to do 1033 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 4: for my kid, and it's expensive and it's overwhelming and 1034 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 4: all those things. So you know, and obviously Grant and 1035 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 4: I talked about this quite a bit and made sure 1036 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 4: he was comfortable he and he totally is and he's 1037 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 4: you know, he wants to help other people too. So 1038 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 4: I appreciate, you know, you bringing it up because I 1039 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 4: think it's an important subject to talk about. 1040 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us, and so great. 1041 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 3: Alice still lives in LA and has been working on 1042 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 3: a few other ventures. These days, as the co. 1043 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: Founder of Squeeze, bright Side, and Beckett and Quill, you 1044 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: can tell she still has that itch to try new things. 1045 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: Over the years, Ali has collected an impressive list of achievements, 1046 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: from being named the one hundred most Creative People in 1047 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 1: Business by Fast Company, featured on Fortune Magazines Forty Under 1048 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,919 Speaker 1: forty list, and making Marie Claire's Most Fascinating Women List. 1049 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 2: Allie shows no signs of stuff. 1050 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: To keep up with Ali and all her ventures, you 1051 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,720 Speaker 1: can follow her on Instagram at Ali Webb. 1052 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. 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