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Speaker 1: you'll love and one that you can always change. Look, man,
Speaker 1: oh I see you? Why why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, well you are on
Speaker 1: this little soap box all of a sudden right before
Speaker 1: we started recording. So how doy you mentioned that? Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I have a prediction for the world. Okay,
Speaker 1: I be leave. And we were talking with our guests
Speaker 1: about this because she mentioned seeing a young person playing
Speaker 1: a certain kind of toy and the toy was one
Speaker 1: of those ding ding dingk things, like like a simple toy. Yes,
Speaker 1: colloquially they're known as ding ding ding things. Of course,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's rule of culture number eight. It's a
Speaker 1: ding ding dingk thing, those toys. And here's what I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe that Yo Yo's and the like are coming
Speaker 1: back because I think that kids are going to start
Speaker 1: rejecting technology. Now you might ask where what I have
Speaker 1: to back this up? None of them do Facebook, And
Speaker 1: I think that the snapchat and Instagram thing is now
Speaker 1: such like a young person thing. They get tired of
Speaker 1: ship quick and I think, like, I just think, I
Speaker 1: actually think, like you know how when you look back
Speaker 1: at certain decades and there and you're like, oh, the
Speaker 1: fad of that decade was that. I almost think in
Speaker 1: a way social media will be like that for tens.
Speaker 1: But not that it's a fat because I think obviously
Speaker 1: a social media is here to stay, and like the
Speaker 1: expanse of technology is here to stay. But I think
Speaker 1: we'll look back at this time and be like that
Speaker 1: was like the age of like Instagram and Twitter being
Speaker 1: like ruling everyone's last and gen Z is going to
Speaker 1: be the ones to take us out of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's got to be something I love that. I love
Speaker 1: that idea. Did I have a smart thought? You always do,
Speaker 1: and you don't give yourself enough credit. You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: and this is the journey that we're going on. Matt.
Speaker 1: You're always smart, though no I'm frequently dumb. That's you did,
Speaker 1: you did? Why we're very transparent here. I feel that
Speaker 1: you have spent too much money on clothing for events literally,
Speaker 1: but this is the thing that I've tell us the
Speaker 1: thing Okay. So um was that in l A. And
Speaker 1: the day that I met Sandra whoa I was on
Speaker 1: I was. It just set me and such an emotional high.
Speaker 1: Gave me such an emotional high that the next day
Speaker 1: I went to I was like, I'm gonna I have
Speaker 1: to do this event. I'm gonna reward myself with a
Speaker 1: nice piece of clothing for this event that that will
Speaker 1: pay for itself the more times I wear it and
Speaker 1: other things. Always the best responsible fiscal way to go
Speaker 1: about things that you're going to reward yourself. Um. And
Speaker 1: so I did that. Then then saw Sudie Green that day,
Speaker 1: um before the joke read where like all of our
Speaker 1: stuff was going to be like anonymously read by Andy
Speaker 1: and Sandra and like it really and then like but anyway,
Speaker 1: So I meet with Sudie and I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: spent so much money on my talk but I don't care.
Speaker 1: I deserve it. And then she goes, yeah, I meant
Speaker 1: so I spent so much money on my on my
Speaker 1: jumpsuit but whatever. And I was like, Okay, how much
Speaker 1: money did you spend? And she was like like two
Speaker 1: and I was like oh, And I was like, you
Speaker 1: can literally just added zero to that, and that's how
Speaker 1: much I put up. It was literally that much. So
Speaker 1: you're a psycho. And so I felt really guilty about that.
Speaker 1: And then we do the joke read and then my
Speaker 1: stuff like it's fine, it like lands, it does okay,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't like kill. And then Sandra comes over
Speaker 1: and we like talk about something, and like she's she
Speaker 1: has notes for the spit that we wrote together, and
Speaker 1: she's like, actually changed this and this and this. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is working. Like so to have that
Speaker 1: coupled with like me not doing well in that space
Speaker 1: like with her like me like not there was no
Speaker 1: way not nailing it. I was like, damn it, like
Speaker 1: you were in a man veritable fugue state. But but
Speaker 1: then like after that, I was like it was pure
Speaker 1: self flagellation, Like I am a piece of ship. Why
Speaker 1: I spent so much money on this. I tried returning it.
Speaker 1: They literally fucked me over because they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we had to sew on button, so that counts as
Speaker 1: an alteration, so you can't return it. And I wait
Speaker 1: a minute, and this fucking guy at the saxfith Avenue,
Speaker 1: the manager at the Saxfith Avenue Men's formal Clothing, and
Speaker 1: it was guy, well, yeah, sure, it's not that gendered. No, no,
Speaker 1: they're bad. Keep going. So she talks and then I'm
Speaker 1: so then over the front, I'm just like, I'm I
Speaker 1: just I wasn't told about the button alteration, and frankly,
Speaker 1: I just I was very up front about my my
Speaker 1: budget and like, I just can't justify the price point
Speaker 1: the price and he goes, well, maybe you should, and
Speaker 1: then he maybe you should have thought of that before
Speaker 1: you made purchase. I was like, fuck you, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get gough from someone who like but when they
Speaker 1: work at the talk to you like that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: whatever he gets, he has to like swim in footies
Speaker 1: all fucking day, so his life sucks. And if you
Speaker 1: work in retail, I'm god bless you, um, but he
Speaker 1: particularly sucks. UM. I think this is I talked about
Speaker 1: this in therapy today and I've let it go. My
Speaker 1: guilt is sort of I've I've sort of relinquished all
Speaker 1: that guilt and it's not I'm happy that you said
Speaker 1: you did this humanized as you for the listeners who
Speaker 1: think of you as an untouchably intelligent being. Um, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm so stupid, so stupid. But it's fine. It's not
Speaker 1: stupid at the literal, the diametric opposite of stupid. She
Speaker 1: truly is a genius, a leader, a genius, I mean
Speaker 1: leader in the community. Remember the first time comedy. Of
Speaker 1: course that's a community I'm referencing. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: first time you saw her perform? I was I was
Speaker 1: one of those fucking obnoxious They're not obnoxious, but I
Speaker 1: would wait in line for ask some of them are
Speaker 1: well whatever the the as Cat line culture, we were
Speaker 1: obnoxious when we were in nineteen sitting out there waiting
Speaker 1: for them. Now once the best version of themselves in
Speaker 1: the as Cat line Famous Famous Things of Culture number
Speaker 1: twenty seven, No one is the best version of themselves
Speaker 1: in the as Cat line. But saw her doing as
Speaker 1: Cat then got into Stepfathers. I was like, this person
Speaker 1: is actually this is kind of cookie. But I didn't
Speaker 1: see as Cat until years and years and ye, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Actually my first as Cat show was when Sudie Green
Speaker 1: did monologue so fun. That is actually the first time
Speaker 1: I ever went in. That was years later and but
Speaker 1: I was like a weekend team like well, of course,
Speaker 1: like I used to go see step Brothers all the time,
Speaker 1: I would always go see um Law Firm. Like I remember,
Speaker 1: I realized the first time I saw Brian FoST perform
Speaker 1: was like ten years ago in law Firm, Like, what
Speaker 1: are whatever law firm? Can we fact factack this with
Speaker 1: our guest? No? Um, I don't know if law Firm
Speaker 1: has been around on whatever he was on. I know
Speaker 1: I've remember seeing him like years and years ago, and
Speaker 1: my favorite team was whatever team. Oh well, that was
Speaker 1: when I got obsessed with fran of course I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with Franko. Um. But anyway, we're not talking about her,
Speaker 1: but you can see her on TV if you don't
Speaker 1: have access to a New York improvisational sphere, so you
Speaker 1: can see her on TV. She's in the upcoming show
Speaker 1: The Other Two. What you know we've been chatting about,
Speaker 1: Actually you're doing weeks of Other Two programming and she
Speaker 1: in her episode. I love that to that block. I
Speaker 1: love that up so much. And she is in the
Speaker 1: upcoming season making a return appearance. They don't do this
Speaker 1: for all the characters. I'm not everybody in High and
Speaker 1: High maintenance. She she's she's doing a reprise, baby, and
Speaker 1: that is huge. I thought your episode was so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this in season two. Uh please welcome shouting.
Speaker 1: I'm so bad at taking compliments, but thank you so much. Well,
Speaker 1: this thing is like when you have like a storied
Speaker 1: like the thing is like, I I get that because
Speaker 1: it's like, it's a lot, like especially when you've done
Speaker 1: as much as you it's like and you know you've
Speaker 1: done a lot. I've been around a while and you've
Speaker 1: you've done, You've done the work. You're taking on the work,
Speaker 1: so you know what. You sit there and you take this.
Speaker 1: I demand it. I demand that. Well, whenever I have
Speaker 1: someone that I really respected, like when Tammy Saker came in,
Speaker 1: we were just like each other screaming all the praise
Speaker 1: that we felt for her. But and it's all deserved,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't come. It wouldn't be authentic or genuine. And
Speaker 1: if it weren't true, Can I slam the guests that
Speaker 1: was here before? Yeah? I think I think they're really
Speaker 1: deaf and I need to turn my headphones down a
Speaker 1: little bit. Wait, Okay, he's a really loud So apparently
Speaker 1: Brandon Scott Jones is very deaf. He's very deaf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is this better? But we'll talk at your this is me,
Speaker 1: that's you, this is me, and you know, louder a
Speaker 1: little louder. But I feel like you respond to that's go.
Speaker 1: I'll try hers on and I'll be like, now so loud,
Speaker 1: Matt good who I am? But I'm a very loud person.
Speaker 1: We should appreciate people that project talk about Brandon's got
Speaker 1: john Um, well he's deaf sweaty um. No, I can't.
Speaker 1: I like that literally the best. I love him so much.
Speaker 1: I walked in before and I saw him and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's a good day. He's someone this
Speaker 1: sounds gross. Joy, he's joy. He's someone who want He's
Speaker 1: going to sound gross when he sweats. I don't mind. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was just kidding about that. He's a sunny guy
Speaker 1: and I think he'd copped to that. But when he
Speaker 1: sweats him like it's a good look on him. Well,
Speaker 1: he sticks to the outfit. Like he'llby on stage and
Speaker 1: have a hoodie and a T shirt, but he won't
Speaker 1: take the hoodie off and sweating, so he like sticks
Speaker 1: to the outfit. Yeah, that's A thing I think with
Speaker 1: us is when we pick out a look, it's like
Speaker 1: you stick to the look especially and you know a
Speaker 1: certain space is going to be hot. The Chelsea space
Speaker 1: hot on stage, I'm not remembering its usually cold. No,
Speaker 1: Chelsea was pretty good unless the A C was on
Speaker 1: the on the on the Fritz, which is a um
Speaker 1: A common thing with all UCB spaces, but the Chelsea
Speaker 1: one was not. Didn't go on the frits too much
Speaker 1: or during Douglas Marathon if there's too many normally. No,
Speaker 1: if you think that, if you think about all the
Speaker 1: air conditioning in the world, terrifying, it's a lot, truly
Speaker 1: the scale it could keep you up at night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't grow up their conditioning really outside of
Speaker 1: Philly and Pennsylvania. But it just like we just didn't
Speaker 1: have it because it like we couldn't afford it. And
Speaker 1: so actually my mom we had an air conditioner that
Speaker 1: she gave to the neighbors. So the Knaps had our
Speaker 1: air conditioner. But I just the Naps. They're nice, nice
Speaker 1: older couple who were very sweet to me. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: were nice. They took care of me when my mom
Speaker 1: was like at work and stuff. If I needed something.
Speaker 1: If I got like bit by a carpenter b and
Speaker 1: I was heard screaming in my backyard, Mr Nap came
Speaker 1: running over and being like, what's happening? So I just
Speaker 1: learned to sleep and live without it, and you can
Speaker 1: do it. So was a young person, a fan heavy house.
Speaker 1: I had like a yeah, I had like a well are.
Speaker 1: It was a split level, so our reck room was
Speaker 1: always cool because there was like shade on it. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, heat rises, so hung out a lot in
Speaker 1: the reck room. If I had to, I'd sleep down there.
Speaker 1: But a fan. I love sleeping with a fan on
Speaker 1: my face. Yeah, I enjoyed that as well. But the
Speaker 1: air any resentment towards your mother for giving the air
Speaker 1: conditioner treat the naps because it was a kind gesture
Speaker 1: because they were an older couple and they and we
Speaker 1: didn't need it. And my mom still doesn't have one.
Speaker 1: She's like seventies. She just learns to live. But don't
Speaker 1: you think she did enjoy one. No. Now, it's just
Speaker 1: like a force of this is the way I live
Speaker 1: my life, conditional list And I don't think our house
Speaker 1: can handle like the house can handle it. The outlets,
Speaker 1: you know, and the not a power any C gives
Speaker 1: and she would always be thinking about that, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that that wattage baby, well yeah, or like the air
Speaker 1: conditioner pulling the window out. She would just be like
Speaker 1: the window, yeah, the house. Every time, every time I
Speaker 1: put in my air conditioner, it is your risk that
Speaker 1: I'll kill someone. I'm not good at that. Like when
Speaker 1: you put in the air conditioning, and like, that's not
Speaker 1: a good that's not a thing I should be doing.
Speaker 1: Mine's screwed in minds permanent in my apartment. That's that's
Speaker 1: what you want. Yeah, that's what you want. And I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, with this green New deal that
Speaker 1: AOC is we're bringing, we're all about it right now,
Speaker 1: but come the summer, we're not gonna want to be
Speaker 1: giving up our that is that is intentional. AOC knows
Speaker 1: that we we're gonna want to be on board for
Speaker 1: a green New deal in the winter. That's what That's
Speaker 1: what the whole horrhle game is. I never trusted her.
Speaker 1: I never trusted her. What a lie you always request
Speaker 1: when the guard is down? Exactly, Hello, through this world?
Speaker 1: You go through this world? Now, Okay, tell us more
Speaker 1: about the NEPs to be honest, because I want you
Speaker 1: to talk about your upbringing in Pennsylvania in really with
Speaker 1: the Naps as the reference point. Okay, uh so the
Speaker 1: NEPs lived across the street, um, and they were an
Speaker 1: older couple. They had kids that were out of the
Speaker 1: house and like their kids would come over and their grandkids.
Speaker 1: But um, they always my mom was like a single
Speaker 1: single mom, just like me and my mom. I have
Speaker 1: two brothers. But some reason they lived with my dad.
Speaker 1: That's something I can unpack somewhere else. The men go
Speaker 1: with the men and the girls girls in the Naps
Speaker 1: in the end, probably okay, but so yeah, then Knips
Speaker 1: would always like I was like a latchkey kid, so
Speaker 1: I always knew if I had an issue, I could
Speaker 1: go to the Knaps. They were very kind. Um, there
Speaker 1: was a um I love basketball and they knew I
Speaker 1: love basketball, Like I saved up one summer so I
Speaker 1: could buy the basketball hoop for the for my driveway.
Speaker 1: And there was this They had a VHS to VHS recorder.
Speaker 1: So if you went to the Blockbuster or what was
Speaker 1: it wasn't Blockbuster yet, but it was it was like
Speaker 1: it was a Baskin Robbins that had a video store
Speaker 1: next to it, and that's where we would go to
Speaker 1: get our movies. This is pre yes, So if there's
Speaker 1: a movie that I loved, then my mom would be
Speaker 1: like she would take it to the naps and be like,
Speaker 1: I gotta return this by Thursday. Can you make a
Speaker 1: copy for Shannon? And they would do it. And there
Speaker 1: was this one movie I really loved called the Um
Speaker 1: it was I'm gonna get the name wrong. It's like
Speaker 1: Pistol Pete the Pete Meyrivitch story. It was like a
Speaker 1: kind of like a Hallmark original type of movie, but
Speaker 1: it's like this awesome story about Pete ma Merovitch. He's
Speaker 1: a basketball player and like him as a little kid
Speaker 1: and like scrawny little working his way comes an NBA
Speaker 1: player in the end. But um, they made a copy
Speaker 1: of it for me and I it's like I always
Speaker 1: remember that because like I loved watching it, and I
Speaker 1: got to watch it all the time because of the
Speaker 1: next next. Yeah, you never forget those good neighbors. There
Speaker 1: was a woman who lived next to her name was
Speaker 1: Mary Anne, and my mom did hair in the house,
Speaker 1: so she she would come over every like and she
Speaker 1: I used to like sit there and watch my mom
Speaker 1: do these women's hair, and so I would pick up
Speaker 1: the way that suburban women talk to each other. So
Speaker 1: whenever they'd go to tip my mom and she was
Speaker 1: like a really good friend of theirs. My mom woulda go, no,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. Stop stop, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Stop it out of here. No, no, no no. And
Speaker 1: Marianne one time said to me, Um, I want you
Speaker 1: to come over and I want you to pick out
Speaker 1: a video game for Nintendo and you can pick anyone
Speaker 1: you want. And I literally said, no, stop, don't do that.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do that. Stop it. That's not
Speaker 1: that's too much. And she got mad at me, like
Speaker 1: I was being disrespectful. And my mom was literally watching
Speaker 1: it like a car record. She was like, no, he's
Speaker 1: trying to do the thing where like he's and the
Speaker 1: woman didn't get it. She was like, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: my video games? And all of a sudden became this
Speaker 1: like long island like thing. But she was a nice lady.
Speaker 1: It's in my house. She's not looking on my house.
Speaker 1: She thought, like when I when she left, my mom
Speaker 1: was like, you know that, Mary, and she's crazy. We're
Speaker 1: not going over to her house. But it was just
Speaker 1: me being like trying to be like a fourty year
Speaker 1: old woman, like stop it. And that's were good, I
Speaker 1: think once and when they and they both eventually they
Speaker 1: did once they both passed away, it really affected my
Speaker 1: mom because like that was that was like who she
Speaker 1: could go to to like another neighbor was like upsetting her,
Speaker 1: like she could you know, she was having like she
Speaker 1: had this like like this couple. So now my mom
Speaker 1: doesn't really have that. She does she has the chiavo
Speaker 1: Is a couple of houses down that they kind of
Speaker 1: like we'll look out for my mom for like certain things,
Speaker 1: and like Mr Schiavo was my mom's lawn, will give
Speaker 1: her a discount when he knows that she doesn't have
Speaker 1: the money that month. He's there's like some good souls,
Speaker 1: but there's some there's some nasties, but some nasties now
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not there to help. You're not
Speaker 1: there to be the nep No, no, I wish I could.
Speaker 1: Were there a lot of kids on the street when
Speaker 1: you were growing up? Um? Yeah, one of my best friends,
Speaker 1: Holly In she grew up on my street and that's
Speaker 1: when we had like school closed for snowstorms. Go to
Speaker 1: Holly AND's. She had a Nintendo. We'd played Nintendo. There
Speaker 1: was one bad storm that was like two weeks that
Speaker 1: we had off because it was so bad and it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was like a long time. I think
Speaker 1: it was like kind of came after like a winter break.
Speaker 1: It was like a winter break into it was like
Speaker 1: this like were missing, like basketball games were canceled and
Speaker 1: that pissed me off. Um, I love basketball. You won't
Speaker 1: even see like that's that's like a real love for
Speaker 1: basketball though, because even even though I loved sports and
Speaker 1: I as a kid, like if a game got canceled up,
Speaker 1: like that's cool, we can we can play at home
Speaker 1: now you wanted to play because they don't really reschedule
Speaker 1: those because like sometimes you'll lose out on it. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was Hollyan and there was a button and then
Speaker 1: Cody Rosenberg was awesome. My eight kind of have a Rosenberg.
Speaker 1: Cody Rosenberg. Mike Pizzy was like a couple of years
Speaker 1: younger but hung out. We got Mike Puzzy and I
Speaker 1: got in trouble because remember did you make your you
Speaker 1: and your friends make each other faint? Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: like we we would try to, but we didn't know how.
Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying. That was like that,
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, that was like a trend.
Speaker 1: You know what we did. We did that thing where
Speaker 1: it was like you dead arm each other, like punching
Speaker 1: each other in the arm until like you couldn't move
Speaker 1: it or punched dead where you know the punch with
Speaker 1: no We would make each other faint and so um
Speaker 1: where you bend over. Don't do this at home. Well,
Speaker 1: I get in trouble. I don't care, listeners. I know
Speaker 1: you're so stupid, but don't do this at home. At home,
Speaker 1: you bend over at the waist and you take like
Speaker 1: deep heavy breaths while you're bent over, and then as
Speaker 1: soon as you stand up against a wall and you
Speaker 1: take two hands against your neck, I have done. I
Speaker 1: have done. And then it's tear and then you and
Speaker 1: then you pass out. But you have the most vivid dreams,
Speaker 1: like you're only out for like ten seconds fifteen seconds,
Speaker 1: but you feel like you would feel like you've been
Speaker 1: dreaming for forever, and they're so vivid and insane that
Speaker 1: I was like I kind of got addicted to those
Speaker 1: crazy those dreams would have yeah, because then you can
Speaker 1: and then you come out of it, and your friends
Speaker 1: would either be like freaked out because or like you
Speaker 1: were shaking and we couldn't wake you up there like
Speaker 1: ten seconds. But Mike Pizzy and I did it, and
Speaker 1: he he instigated it, and I was like, sure, let's
Speaker 1: do it, and then somehow got back to his mom,
Speaker 1: and his mom then called my mom, and my mom
Speaker 1: was Matt's like, why did you make Mike Pizzy faint?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, Mike Izzy, Sorry, I keep
Speaker 1: saying Pizzy. It's not it's my it's Pusy, it's Mike Izzy.
Speaker 1: And I was like that sounds weird, and then I
Speaker 1: was like it was. I was like, he instigated it.
Speaker 1: I was like I did it. But it's like we
Speaker 1: both are equally at fault. Where is he? What do
Speaker 1: we know what he's doing? I do not know his mom.
Speaker 1: His parents still live in the neighborhood in the same house.
Speaker 1: Um uh, like text every now and then. We've kind
Speaker 1: of lost touch, but it's still like we can text
Speaker 1: each other. I don't think I have any friends from
Speaker 1: like elementary school. I have one. I have one listener
Speaker 1: from middle school. Claire Canary and by the way back
Speaker 1: in the day, she was like, she was like hanging
Speaker 1: with the cool kids, and it was like, okay, she's untouchable.
Speaker 1: I can't really like there's no like social thing here.
Speaker 1: But like every now and then she'll be like, I
Speaker 1: just listened to the episode so funny. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: were like, which is just? Which is sweet? In the end,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, guys. Yeah, he's smacking
Speaker 1: his lips. My best friend from when I was in
Speaker 1: kindergarten in first grade. His name, his first name was Billy.
Speaker 1: I will not say his full name because that would
Speaker 1: we discovered at the same time Celine Dion and Mariah
Speaker 1: Carry and all the pop What we would do is
Speaker 1: we would sit in his room and just listen and
Speaker 1: listen to listen, and you know who he was obsessed
Speaker 1: with as a kindergartener. No, I was obsolution. He didn't
Speaker 1: like Shannaia actually, and it was a source of contention.
Speaker 1: He loved Robin, who was at the time she yes,
Speaker 1: show me my Number one its song growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Robin dancing on my own. Robin was a pop
Speaker 1: star in kindergarten. Well, like we could debate, I will
Speaker 1: look it up. I guarantee it was not that long,
Speaker 1: al right. Not. All I'm knowing is all I can
Speaker 1: tell you is that six when I was this age
Speaker 1: in first grade, let's say like this kid was obsessed
Speaker 1: with Robin and I never got Robin. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is sorry, my question is And then after that
Speaker 1: he kind of became like like sort of like a swaggy,
Speaker 1: kind of like white kid who was like like like
Speaker 1: a little eminem kid the worst like and he kind
Speaker 1: of masculinized and like started to wear like the flat
Speaker 1: brim hats and started to get very like you know,
Speaker 1: this is in first grade he started doing this. Was
Speaker 1: like he started to do this in like fourth fifth
Speaker 1: grade as we kind of separated and then I moved away,
Speaker 1: but I lost touch with him. And I want to know,
Speaker 1: do you think the fact that at five years old,
Speaker 1: you're instinct is to worship Celine Dion that that says
Speaker 1: something about you and your essence is billy gay. This
Speaker 1: is tough, and is he my sul mate? I'm not
Speaker 1: the right person now because because when I was five
Speaker 1: and worshiping Celendion, I was in Montreal, where that was
Speaker 1: like you had to do right. You don't know you
Speaker 1: had to do that if you read it. Where's this
Speaker 1: that it feels like he started to rebel from his instincts. Yes,
Speaker 1: whether it's a I don't think I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to attach sexuality to it, but I think at least
Speaker 1: maybe there was some he started to feel ashame of
Speaker 1: what he really enjoyed that so he could be he
Speaker 1: could still be a straight guy. But there's some strangaun't
Speaker 1: some repression of like, oh I can't like this because
Speaker 1: that means I'm something else. I'm a doesn't. Our second
Speaker 1: Gary teacher literally shamed us because we both knew all
Speaker 1: the words to tell him by sleep and we wrote
Speaker 1: it down to you. She she was like, all right
Speaker 1: out and here's the thing instead of okay, this is
Speaker 1: fucked up, because this is a deep revealing thing about myself.
Speaker 1: So we would have like journal time and instead of
Speaker 1: writing my own stories, I would write down all the
Speaker 1: lyrics to like Mariah Carey songs and Mariah carry songs
Speaker 1: back like at that time they were actually the vocabulary
Speaker 1: she used like was actually kind of what's my favorite thing?
Speaker 1: She still uses crazy like like she used words like
Speaker 1: incessantly and nonchalantly and like all these things that I
Speaker 1: knew these words from Mariah Carey, and so I would
Speaker 1: literally just verbade him write the lyrics to her songs
Speaker 1: because I loved them so much. And my teacher one
Speaker 1: day said, you're not at this level of The second
Speaker 1: grade teacher was like, I have to read this one
Speaker 1: thing that matt wrote. And she's like she read the
Speaker 1: words to tell him out loud and billy and I
Speaker 1: had written it again the whole class. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: and it was fully like a love song about a
Speaker 1: man to the whole class. To the whole class, she
Speaker 1: did this and it was just so embarrassing. And then
Speaker 1: I remember I moved to a different school, not because
Speaker 1: of that, but I moved to my next school that
Speaker 1: I went to. I did the same thing in third grade,
Speaker 1: and my teacher, Miss patruly like found she found the
Speaker 1: lyrics to like emotions by Mariah Carrey, like in my
Speaker 1: in my book. And she would write notes back and
Speaker 1: she was like, Matthew, this story is so beautiful. She
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't like a Mariah fa okay, were you just
Speaker 1: she was like, this is so beautiful. You're so advanced,
Speaker 1: like the feeling in this poem is incredible and it
Speaker 1: was like literally like Mariah at twenty four, like her
Speaker 1: I had of her pop stardom. You wait, can you
Speaker 1: look back at the first experience where you say you
Speaker 1: felt like you were ashamed? Can you replay that in
Speaker 1: your mind? And was it her? It was just feel
Speaker 1: like a leading question, like it was her shaming you
Speaker 1: or was it her? Like surprised by it, but like
Speaker 1: you were, you were embarrassed, so you felt like it
Speaker 1: was shamed, but maybe she was celebrating you can you
Speaker 1: can you look at its definitely her being like, let
Speaker 1: me read this out loud because I think it's funny.
Speaker 1: I think she thought it was funny, and I remember
Speaker 1: everyone was laughing and we were laughing too, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's a song, it's a song, and she
Speaker 1: was like, okay, whatever. But I remember she remember like
Speaker 1: funny to her, but funny to kindergarteners is going to
Speaker 1: be like different. And I feel like, looking back, should
Speaker 1: she have done that? But shaming of teachers? But this kid, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't forget no, and they're often they do it often.
Speaker 1: I remember that's I had a teacher who after the
Speaker 1: Columbine shooting. Well, she was very affected by the Columbine shooting.
Speaker 1: And she made us stand in a circle and hold
Speaker 1: hands and sing the song hands by jewel my hands,
Speaker 1: but they're not. We had to do this, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then weeks wearing trench coats. The weeks later when
Speaker 1: we were bad at recess, you're bad at recess. We
Speaker 1: were bad at but bad behavior during Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: do recess right. We were badly behaved at reese. And
Speaker 1: the lunch monitor that would like help us, like play
Speaker 1: you or whatever, like facilitate us like having a recess
Speaker 1: came back and said, this is what's happening. And then
Speaker 1: my teacher came back. And only looking back now do
Speaker 1: I realize how funked up from Columbine she must have been,
Speaker 1: because she was like, you know, this is exactly how
Speaker 1: Columbine happened, but what was your behavior? I think we
Speaker 1: were like I think we were like not listening to
Speaker 1: one person who wanted to play something different. I mean,
Speaker 1: what could it possibly have been. It couldn't have been crazy,
Speaker 1: but she literally and then now looking back, I'm like,
Speaker 1: she was obviously a very scared teacher. She was just
Speaker 1: was shaken and emotional about the fact that this happened
Speaker 1: in the school and wanted so badly us to like
Speaker 1: be part of the change. And she was just I
Speaker 1: think she was emotionally she was very jarred and still
Speaker 1: feeling after shocks. But my question is, going back to
Speaker 1: the Mariah lyrics, would you just write the lyrics down?
Speaker 1: Bat You wouldn't even not an original creative on the pain,
Speaker 1: no filler, Like it wasn't like other characters dialogue. Then,
Speaker 1: so you wrote the lyrics down and then you that
Speaker 1: passed as a story to your team because she didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was from and it was I just
Speaker 1: she just maybe she just wasn't a Mariah fan, so
Speaker 1: she then thought it was so when she read it,
Speaker 1: she thought it was the first one the first teacher
Speaker 1: to the second teacher. The second the first teacher, I
Speaker 1: think she didn't look into it as much. She kind
Speaker 1: of just shamed me and moved on. But the third,
Speaker 1: the third grade teacher, I had was like fully praising
Speaker 1: me from my there's no narrative arc to you just
Speaker 1: writing down like nothing in the second person was poems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she just thought they were like these incredible poems that
Speaker 1: are right. I was right, And you wrote like You've
Speaker 1: got me feeling emotions deeper than I ever dreamed of,
Speaker 1: higher than heavens about it happens above higher. You know
Speaker 1: the way to make me lose control when you're looking
Speaker 1: into my eyes? Did you make me feel so if
Speaker 1: you really think about it, it's fucked up. It's a nail.
Speaker 1: That's a great that's a perfect sketch. That is great.
Speaker 1: But and this is the thing that this is the
Speaker 1: thing about Maria that I think people haven't fully zoned
Speaker 1: and not like like like zoomed in on. Is the
Speaker 1: reason she has such a funny vocabulary in her lyrics
Speaker 1: is because she's an adverb queen. Even in um, get
Speaker 1: the funk out, she goes my Prince was so unjustly handsome, incessantly,
Speaker 1: she's always using vocab. Yeah, inevitably like she loves to
Speaker 1: end on al y words. So she's an adverb queen.
Speaker 1: That's specifically I want to be the first person to
Speaker 1: say on recorded media that Mariah Carey is an adverb queen. Also,
Speaker 1: like the weird words like and like always a maybe
Speaker 1: where she's like, You'll always be a part of me,
Speaker 1: and definitely definitely. It's like it definitely, but it works,
Speaker 1: it works well, it works well. Okay, Um, Shannon, I
Speaker 1: think this is the time in the show where we
Speaker 1: ask you the question we ask all of our guests
Speaker 1: because clearly now we're talking about our cultures. Cultures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was that's not my culture. It's like Mariah,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I was like, oh, that's not the
Speaker 1: music I listened to when I was up, But it
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of music. That's fine. It could
Speaker 1: it could be. It could be the pistol Pete thing.
Speaker 1: But what was the culture that made you say? Culture?
Speaker 1: Was for me, the culture that made you move into
Speaker 1: a cultural direction? Um, it would be Um Letterman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Carson, Like Carson Letterman. I used to Letterman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just definitely because he was Um. I liked um watching Carson, Uh,
Speaker 1: because he was a good interviewer and like I would
Speaker 1: love specific guess that he would have on like Joan Embree,
Speaker 1: who was like a zoologist from the San Diego Zoo.
Speaker 1: I love like certain segments, Um, but I would I
Speaker 1: was always allowed to stay up on Fridays to watch Letterman. Um.
Speaker 1: When we finally got a VCR, I could record it,
Speaker 1: but I would sneak down because I knew my mom
Speaker 1: would watch Carson and I should be in bed, So
Speaker 1: I would sneak down and sit on the top of
Speaker 1: the stays because she would fall asleep on the couch um.
Speaker 1: So Carson would end and then Letterman would start, so
Speaker 1: I could sit there and watch Letterman as long until
Speaker 1: like she would start to stir, and then I would
Speaker 1: gently ros and go back to bed. So that was
Speaker 1: like a thing where I would like sneak my my Letterman,
Speaker 1: my Letterman viewing, because that's very much like I think,
Speaker 1: like my my comedic kind of like way of thinking
Speaker 1: is like like being sarcastic, like how he doesn't pull
Speaker 1: punches and like his little man on the street stuff.
Speaker 1: It was all just like I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: This is awesome? Well, Lettermen like Carson like established like
Speaker 1: formative norms I guess now in late night. But like
Speaker 1: Letterman was someone who like lead with tone right, like
Speaker 1: I feel like like people want to sound like him,
Speaker 1: Like it affected people's other people's communic voices in this
Speaker 1: way that like it was like chances. Letterman very much
Speaker 1: like just took like big swings to see if something
Speaker 1: would would work, and I think Carson was just like
Speaker 1: set and nailing it but didn't need to like mean anything,
Speaker 1: where Carson was like kind of I mean a Letterman
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is him fighting to stay alive
Speaker 1: because he already had one show canceled on him. So right,
Speaker 1: I almost feel like Colbert is the worthy successor to
Speaker 1: Letterman because Colbert doesn't ever like he never um would
Speaker 1: sacrifice like his sense of humor or his intelligence in
Speaker 1: the same way as Letterman, whereas like with Fallon Now
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like in the same vein as
Speaker 1: Carson and you know Jay Leno before him, where it's
Speaker 1: leads with the fun and it's about like being a
Speaker 1: late night show, whereas like Letterman is like David Letterman,
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's the tone is set and
Speaker 1: it's like his show, whereas like it's the Tonight Show,
Speaker 1: whereas that was Letterman. Now it's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But even with Late Night, it was like late Night
Speaker 1: with because I watched Late Night, which was maybe before
Speaker 1: your time. Yeah, late Night was after Carson, so I
Speaker 1: was watching until two and then two he moved to
Speaker 1: Okay CBS. Yeah, so he was twelve thirty slot until
Speaker 1: I believe ninety two I might be a little off.
Speaker 1: And then he moved to at UM CBS, and Conan
Speaker 1: felt like the right successor to Letterman. Yes, Late Night, Yes,
Speaker 1: but Letterman, I thought, I will give credit to Letterman
Speaker 1: as being a great interviewer as well. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: especially even towards the end. I think I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: like just he never was worried about the guests feelings.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the parents interview, yes, Paris interview, or there's one
Speaker 1: before that that um shit, that's fair faucet down with that.
Speaker 1: That's like, that is legendary. Okay, can you give like
Speaker 1: a play by play? I can't. It's like it's just
Speaker 1: someone who is clearly on something, just under the influence
Speaker 1: and out there doing an interview and it was bananas.
Speaker 1: It's legendary. And then there's the Drew Barrymore in view
Speaker 1: where she flashed. There's like, I mean, Late Night has
Speaker 1: all these like, um is it like the oh gosh
Speaker 1: is it not? The um throws the oh he threw
Speaker 1: water at Letterman. It's why is it escaping my head?
Speaker 1: He's been he was banned after that, right, and he
Speaker 1: and the Letterman have famously had a thing with Oprah
Speaker 1: and then the share share thing to share oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he had to make he basically like with like, which
Speaker 1: I love about Letterman because he can like admit too false,
Speaker 1: which I think is very important for any human to
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, I was abrasive. And then it's
Speaker 1: like and then him and Oprah now can like do
Speaker 1: interviews together, and it was like, yeah, and share an
Speaker 1: asshole to like one on on on air, which makes
Speaker 1: you like both of them. Who was who has done
Speaker 1: that to Jimmy Fallon? He was you know, So it's like,
Speaker 1: which is fine, that's like that tone, but like I
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, Letterman is just like what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Like I will call it out? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's very like I roll to say,
Speaker 1: but like I kind of you miss that last you
Speaker 1: don't because you don't see people taking risks anymore. Like Honestly, nowadays,
Speaker 1: I feel like celebrities, if there's gonna be anything questionable
Speaker 1: going on during an interview, they just don't go. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because I think now with social
Speaker 1: media and being able to be on the Internet the
Speaker 1: next day and you can watch and watch and watch.
Speaker 1: You can control your own narrative all the time. Like
Speaker 1: Trump will ever do another interview like want but not
Speaker 1: not right, but like there would be a time, there
Speaker 1: would be a point in time where we would demand that,
Speaker 1: whereas like just to hear answers or whatever. But now
Speaker 1: it's just like because any celebrity, like you see it
Speaker 1: with Kanye West, you know what I mean, he tries
Speaker 1: he's out there controlling his own narrative or attempting to
Speaker 1: all the time. So they don't feel the need to
Speaker 1: like need these shows anymore. So you don't see those
Speaker 1: kinds of iconic interactions. The only way you get is
Speaker 1: like Eric Andre where he like like you know, has
Speaker 1: to like punk them a little bit to like put
Speaker 1: make them on comfortable, but it's really not about them.
Speaker 1: It's about like having rats pop out. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: seeing them actually react to something that's not you know,
Speaker 1: they're it's not in their control totally, which is like yeah,
Speaker 1: we totally it's so missing. But now it's just like okay, Well,
Speaker 1: like the way that there's like segment producers for each
Speaker 1: interview that like like do you have a funny story
Speaker 1: to tell? Oh, we'll tell that, Oh that that's that's perfect.
Speaker 1: That'll be great. So Seth will lead you with I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this as an example, but it's like Seth
Speaker 1: will just ask you this and then that will be
Speaker 1: your que to go into this. It's like it feels
Speaker 1: choreographed in a way that like could be loosened a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, we need to listen it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's the best. Now that's that's hard to say.
Speaker 1: They're also different. I mean, I think Seth Myers does
Speaker 1: do a good interview, like he's really he's really great
Speaker 1: at interviewing people and I think pulling fun stuff out
Speaker 1: of them. But I also don't watch enough to have
Speaker 1: an opinion. I mean, Seth, the last thing I can
Speaker 1: remember is Kelly Ann being on Sethway Conway, and that
Speaker 1: is great. Um, But then the last person who like
Speaker 1: truly like would like have no problem in embarrassing their
Speaker 1: guests if they deserved it was like John Stewart, and
Speaker 1: even that is like, I don't know. That's also like
Speaker 1: not not on the same level as Letterman, where I
Speaker 1: can get you don't get it the way you want it,
Speaker 1: but like I can, you can still get a little
Speaker 1: bit if you watch UM Thursday Night UM Basketball on
Speaker 1: like Barkley and Shack, because they are they bust each
Speaker 1: other all the time, so you can get that thing
Speaker 1: of like, oh, they're all being vulnerable and allowing each
Speaker 1: other to like shoot on each other and bust each
Speaker 1: other's balls, which is like you just want that, but
Speaker 1: you have to get people that are okay with it.
Speaker 1: It's like podcasts now, like you get it, like you
Speaker 1: to bust each other's balls and it's fun and you're
Speaker 1: vulnerable and that's what's fun. But like to have always
Speaker 1: have guests be able to do that. It's the ones
Speaker 1: that you want to you know, you know, it's really
Speaker 1: it's you know. My dad points it out like this
Speaker 1: was like two years ago. I was at home and
Speaker 1: I was watching RuPaul's Drag Race and he was like
Speaker 1: watching it and I was like, oh God, what is
Speaker 1: he going to say about this? And he went to
Speaker 1: a commercial and he was like, they're so honest with
Speaker 1: each other, and I was like, that's such an interesting pull.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting to take from it. Like he didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to say about like how they were acting
Speaker 1: or like or like you know, what they were wearing anything.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm impressed by how direct they are
Speaker 1: with each other, and it is that thing of like
Speaker 1: you know, like with drag obviously it's just like they
Speaker 1: say whatever the funk they want. But true honesty now
Speaker 1: is sort of and true dialogue and forcing each other
Speaker 1: to be honest. I think it's why people are obsessed
Speaker 1: with all these like um reality shows, is because like
Speaker 1: you don't actually see real dialogue, especially on news programs,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. I I try to
Speaker 1: watch a lot of them now, and it's like, if
Speaker 1: they're not screaming at each other, it's a bunch of
Speaker 1: people that think the same thing, and so it's something
Speaker 1: that would never make it to like the next days
Speaker 1: like clip on Twitter where everyone sees it exactly, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh there's let's form an opinion around them, and you
Speaker 1: get those tiny moments, and those moments do go viral,
Speaker 1: like when Lauren Duca threw it back at Tucker Carlson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was like so fierce. But I think
Speaker 1: what it stuck out because we're like, that's not like
Speaker 1: that's not late night, that's not like right now, it's
Speaker 1: not late night anyway, And that just puts people. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's like, oh now that Lauren Duca did that.
Speaker 1: Now everyone's gonna be like, we have to change how
Speaker 1: we have you know, book our guests. Yeah. Then they're
Speaker 1: just afraid of it happening again, because the worst thing
Speaker 1: you can do is look stupid. That sucks. That sucks.
Speaker 1: That sucks. It sucks. Do you just want to say
Speaker 1: the Paris Interview, The Paris Interview genius just like by
Speaker 1: the like by like the middle, she like loses her patient.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't want to talk about this being
Speaker 1: in prison anymore. And he goes, okay, okay, and then um,
Speaker 1: someone screams from the audience, I love your pars and
Speaker 1: then she goes. And then the letterman goes somebody met
Speaker 1: in prison, and the entire audience explode, like like, so
Speaker 1: he's so good. You have to be so like because
Speaker 1: even in like whenever we interview someone that's like that
Speaker 1: makes us a little nervous, like you really do have
Speaker 1: to be so good at what you do to stay
Speaker 1: the course, and something like that, especially with something like
Speaker 1: Parasilon at the time, was huge. So like anyone else
Speaker 1: I feel like would have just backed off or but
Speaker 1: like I can't ask her that it's embarrassing. But he's
Speaker 1: not in he was not ever in a position where
Speaker 1: he like I don't want to say cared enough. But
Speaker 1: it was just like he is the king of late night.
Speaker 1: It's like if she never wants to come back, it's okay,
Speaker 1: It's like what do you want? You know, and we'll
Speaker 1: have many other guests and it's like that's where like
Speaker 1: Leno took over um control when he got Hugh Grant
Speaker 1: after his infamous blow job, so like he he booked
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant and that was like he had to ask
Speaker 1: that question. So Jay Leno like has Hugh Grant after
Speaker 1: he got caught getting a BJ and then was like
Speaker 1: asking him and it's like that's where like there was
Speaker 1: like this kind of like it like honesty and like
Speaker 1: really asking guests the right thing is like what was
Speaker 1: making people the king of late night? And then it
Speaker 1: probably still applies though if someone were to just do
Speaker 1: that and break the ceilon that's too much though there's
Speaker 1: too much TV for I mean, I don't really even
Speaker 1: know who's running in the ratings. Yeah, I believe that
Speaker 1: Colbert is a little bit is still ahead. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine there had Oh yeah, I've read
Speaker 1: We've read the trains, Honey, we get the trains. And honestly,
Speaker 1: you know who's like I always we talked about this
Speaker 1: all the time, and we've been talking about this since
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast by Allen, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I can't with Allen, like I can't watch I can't
Speaker 1: with Allen because there's been too many times where it's
Speaker 1: just been like, no, this guy is just a douchebag,
Speaker 1: and that might just be it. And I think she
Speaker 1: sometimes feels bad for people that are as famous as
Speaker 1: her um and I think she's gen when Lee went
Speaker 1: through one of the hardest things that a celebrity has
Speaker 1: gone the thirty years, and I do respect and admire
Speaker 1: her strength through that, But I don't necessarily think all
Speaker 1: the same rules applies to the people that she gives
Speaker 1: apology platforms. They have they earned that platform. No, And
Speaker 1: the thing is, like with Kevin Hard, he did come
Speaker 1: out of this is actually like breaking news as of like,
Speaker 1: but he did come out with the quote unquote heartfelt apology,
Speaker 1: A real apology to the LGBT community is post post
Speaker 1: in interview which was not an apology, saying he had
Speaker 1: when he really had never really extended a real didn't
Speaker 1: address how he just gasol at the timeline everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so it's just like I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: think like with her, she's like a whole other thing
Speaker 1: because it's like it pretends to be this fun, fun, fun, fun,
Speaker 1: fun fun fun show like and Ellen I think is
Speaker 1: at her best when she's just leading with the goofiness
Speaker 1: and dancing around and like being Ellen positive and Ellen.
Speaker 1: And then there's these moments where it's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: you can't just erase the fact the way that people
Speaker 1: feel about this thing, you know, like yeah, or to
Speaker 1: speak on other people's back, do you ever think about
Speaker 1: yourselves of should you get to that level like worry
Speaker 1: about the disconnect of like because you watch like I
Speaker 1: watch like you know, like Comedians and Cars, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Seinfeld is disconnected from a rich man society.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's disconnected. Yeah he doesn't. There's no worries, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he probably has worries. I can't say that.
Speaker 1: It's probably ship gone his life that we don't know about,
Speaker 1: but there is this disconnect. It's like Ellen has this disconnect.
Speaker 1: And I mean I grew up watching her show, loving it,
Speaker 1: loving it, loving it, and it's like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: did you watch any special? But it's almost her being
Speaker 1: like admitting too she has like disconnected. Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: like this self awareness, which I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is really funny and good. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to say, do you ever think about like if you
Speaker 1: ever get on Ellen? And she's like, so you talk
Speaker 1: about me podcast? And I was like, I thinking about
Speaker 1: it a lot. We're never allowed, we will never go
Speaker 1: on I'll never be booked on Ellen. It's fine. I
Speaker 1: think you can just admit it though. Yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: like it's like a friendship thing if like a friend's
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Speaker 1: Everyone is a different path everyone yeah, which is yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to um probably say that I am million
Speaker 1: different ways to a million different people. I mean, no
Speaker 1: one's ever told me. I mean I know that people
Speaker 1: think that as a when I was artistic director at
Speaker 1: u CB that I was like this you know, preventing
Speaker 1: people from their dreams or stopping their dreams or create.
Speaker 1: But it's like anyone that succeeded was because of their talent,
Speaker 1: and anyone that like didn't you know, come through just
Speaker 1: like well just wasn't like the right time. Or it's
Speaker 1: like or you're not good at Harold, who fucking care?
Speaker 1: Like that's like this finite thing. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: you're but you can still take what you've learned and
Speaker 1: use it somewhere. There's so many places that are like
Speaker 1: and it's I love seeing that people are making ship
Speaker 1: in other at other places, like because now you know,
Speaker 1: like stop putting this pressure that like this space UCB
Speaker 1: is only place, or this space the magnazine space, or
Speaker 1: this is only space. It's like there's like so many
Speaker 1: different ways to get your get your success on and
Speaker 1: to put and to blame anyone but yourself is I
Speaker 1: think toxic for your creativity and breath and shows that
Speaker 1: you're just like not ready to be honest about like
Speaker 1: where you're at. Yeah, and but to be honest, I
Speaker 1: think Matt and I experienced different similar versions of that
Speaker 1: thing where it's like I would walk into Lloyd auditions
Speaker 1: and be terrified out of my mind. Never been more
Speaker 1: nervous for an audition, and I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be just I'm gonna have to prove my competence
Speaker 1: to these people who I respect. But then it was
Speaker 1: like this thing where it was like, oh, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just not good at that, and that's fine, But then
Speaker 1: I've I've still taken something valuable from this, from what
Speaker 1: this place has offered me, that I am lucky enough
Speaker 1: to like I was lucky enough to have like met
Speaker 1: halfway and interfaced in whatever way I did, and then
Speaker 1: to like I feel like I I feel like you
Speaker 1: you just like go sort of forge your own path,
Speaker 1: even if it means not necessarily being in that system,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, and that's okay, and that's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember could be better. I think people are often
Speaker 1: better off. There's I see people just like get stuck
Speaker 1: and like, oh I got this, I'm on this team.
Speaker 1: It's like, but what else are you doing? What else happening?
Speaker 1: You gotta do other stuff? Like this is a great
Speaker 1: place for you to like keep your you know, keep
Speaker 1: the rest off the gears and keep in tune and
Speaker 1: you're practicing every week but it's like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: get to do Stepfathers every Friday and ask it's like,
Speaker 1: but what else? I gotta do other stuff. I can't
Speaker 1: just be like I did it. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's like that's me going to the gym for my
Speaker 1: for my communic braint. That's what that's what those are
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm so blessed I get to do
Speaker 1: it and and love everyone I get to do it with.
Speaker 1: But like if I don't, that's I can't just do that.
Speaker 1: That is and I see people probably think, like you
Speaker 1: did it, that's so awesome. I want to be there,
Speaker 1: but it's like, yeah, I'm so happy to be here,
Speaker 1: but I you know, I need to do other ship.
Speaker 1: It's like any creative goal. It's like anything anything you said.
Speaker 1: It's like you get that thing and then you realize
Speaker 1: I want more or like this will it can't be enough,
Speaker 1: Like I remember, want more but not but don't expect
Speaker 1: someone else to give it to exactly. Yeah, it's that's
Speaker 1: it's want more, not give me more. Might Give me
Speaker 1: more is very toxic for the for the brain, and
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to battle because I also understand it
Speaker 1: because I think depending on where you are in your life,
Speaker 1: and like your maturity of like what you've experienced can
Speaker 1: affect how you go through that. Like because it's like
Speaker 1: I was twenty war when I started UM, and I
Speaker 1: was pretty immature, and I made some really stupid mistakes
Speaker 1: on teams where I was like, I think I was
Speaker 1: very lucky that I was able to make those mistakes
Speaker 1: at that time, because if that was me now, i'd
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, get me out of here, get me
Speaker 1: out of here. But I was I was given that,
Speaker 1: you know, that chance to to make mistakes, uh, and
Speaker 1: and grow. But but also like so I have to,
Speaker 1: like as a d also be like, all right, this
Speaker 1: person is only this age, not that I put attached
Speaker 1: age to it or um. So like hopefully they will
Speaker 1: learn something from like not getting what they want or
Speaker 1: struggling with something and know that it, Like it can
Speaker 1: take a while, Like don't compare yourself to to Zach
Speaker 1: Woods or or Aubrey Plaza. Well, the best thing, that's
Speaker 1: the best thing you can get out of rejection is
Speaker 1: just to strip away your sense of entitlement on That's
Speaker 1: that like, that's that's probably the lesson that I took
Speaker 1: away from Lloyd Auditions. Every year that I would do that,
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, I don't I don't deserve,
Speaker 1: Like it's not deserve yeah, yeah, yeah, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: really I actually had. It's not a perfect system. It
Speaker 1: never and it never can never can be. But then
Speaker 1: also like you go to you go to like weekend
Speaker 1: shows and you go to ask count it's like the
Speaker 1: best improvisers in the world. I feel it's a cool
Speaker 1: factor thing that This is why I always felt like
Speaker 1: I was always so upset when I wasn't um doing
Speaker 1: well in improv classes that I never ever got out
Speaker 1: of my head in improv classes UM, And it was
Speaker 1: entirely my fault because I think I started too young.
Speaker 1: I started nineteen, which is like I think, just so young,
Speaker 1: you don't like you're not able to be yourself in
Speaker 1: your own life. How you're going to go out there
Speaker 1: and like be a canvass on stage and wait for
Speaker 1: that response to lead to something. I felt like it
Speaker 1: was such like an important thing to be good at
Speaker 1: improv and be good at the Herald because that was
Speaker 1: like what the coolest people were doing. And I always
Speaker 1: felt like like, man, I'll never like at n y U.
Speaker 1: I was on the sketch group and you were on
Speaker 1: the improv group, and I was like, but I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not with the cool guys who do like It
Speaker 1: was entirely and it was fully reversed on our own
Speaker 1: where it was like, well, we're not doing sketch, so
Speaker 1: what do we have to show for ourselves? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you always want what you don't. It's like anything. But
Speaker 1: I remember I had a totally opposite experience from you
Speaker 1: for the majority of my twenties because I didn't face
Speaker 1: a lot of rejection, Like I felt like we really
Speaker 1: worked hard and doing our own thing, like we had
Speaker 1: our sketch group popular lette. I had worked hard in college,
Speaker 1: so when I auditioned from a lot, I got on
Speaker 1: the team like, um, whenever I had justtioned for characters welcome,
Speaker 1: I always got on like. And then when JFL happened,
Speaker 1: I got on works. And then there's those things that
Speaker 1: you get and then you do feel like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: a person who had just this works for me. I
Speaker 1: get stuff, and then you get into the real industry,
Speaker 1: and that's when you start facing rejection and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I was just very lucky for a long time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like because because being told
Speaker 1: no is a thing, and I do think like that
Speaker 1: is it's like you're scared at at those improv auditions
Speaker 1: because you're scared to be told no when you're scared
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote bad. But there's so much good
Speaker 1: in being told no and like being told like it's
Speaker 1: not time, you know, like because it's not and you
Speaker 1: you've just like trained to learn something that you can
Speaker 1: you know, you can use in many aspects of your
Speaker 1: life hopefully if you're if you're viewing it that way,
Speaker 1: I looked at it like so, yeah, I mean you can't.
Speaker 1: It's also a hard thing as a d I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't expect you can't tell people how to feel,
Speaker 1: and I want people to feel what they feel. But
Speaker 1: there is I just think about it. I like, so
Speaker 1: people are putting so much pressure on themselves for this
Speaker 1: like one day and it's not it's not it's not
Speaker 1: like this thing that like you get on it and
Speaker 1: then suddenly all these riches come to you, Like there's
Speaker 1: auditions that yeah, no, you don't get like, but there's
Speaker 1: like these it's just this thing of like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like you just got into like this continued ed program
Speaker 1: where you just get to like but you can also
Speaker 1: put your own teams together and do the same thing elsewhere.
Speaker 1: But it's like this is just a system is going
Speaker 1: to help you and do it for you and give
Speaker 1: you a show. If you think, like there's auditions that
Speaker 1: we go on where it's like, oh, I'm auditioning for
Speaker 1: a recurring role, like this could change my life, but
Speaker 1: I don't put that much pressure on it where it's
Speaker 1: like I memorize, I get my sides down, I go
Speaker 1: and I do my best and then but I'm now
Speaker 1: at a place where I can just like forget about it.
Speaker 1: I mean remember like the first few auditions I went
Speaker 1: on and be like, oh my god, I get it,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and I in it. But's like now
Speaker 1: it's like nope, out forget And I think that's but
Speaker 1: I think that's hard for that the system at UCB,
Speaker 1: because you have spent a lot of time and money
Speaker 1: that for some people it is for that specific day.
Speaker 1: Some people it's not. But I think so much people
Speaker 1: just be like I've spent two year years for this moment.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you've spent two years for this knowledge
Speaker 1: and um training you have and these new skills that
Speaker 1: hopefully you've built that you can use, but you can't
Speaker 1: tell people. I can't tell you when you feel. And
Speaker 1: I also get that. It's like there's so many emotions.
Speaker 1: And I know my biggest lesson as a d was
Speaker 1: like I'm not responsible someone's It was actually B. S. J. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was brand Scott Jones. I was really upset about something.
Speaker 1: I had just worked really hard on something and then uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, yeah, I did it. And then
Speaker 1: someone came up to me and said something that kind
Speaker 1: of like crushed everything I just did. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: was like crying backstage at the Chelsea Theater and BS
Speaker 1: is like, what's wrong when I said it? And he's like, Shannon,
Speaker 1: you are not responsible for their ego. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's their ego. Like I that was not
Speaker 1: my fault. So it's like that's like, I'm not responsible
Speaker 1: for your ego. Is like something I had to like
Speaker 1: I like would check when like someone would be up,
Speaker 1: you know, like a performer right to be like upset.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, let me analyze this. I think
Speaker 1: this is this is their ego and I can help
Speaker 1: you only so much because there's three of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well, someone inserting themselves into the fact that person.
Speaker 1: So a person came up to you and said something, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got an email that was just like that. It's
Speaker 1: just like, why not me like that thing? So it's
Speaker 1: someone like, it's fully someone injecting their ego l O
Speaker 1: l um into your into your experience, which is just
Speaker 1: like the when my best come on, it's just it's
Speaker 1: the mic Pizzis. It's the Miczzies of the world who
Speaker 1: are like making you faint and then somehow you get
Speaker 1: in trouble for It's like yeah, yeah, not like everything.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is like everyone wants
Speaker 1: it so bad because when it's when I of like
Speaker 1: those weekends like shows that I went to, I'll just
Speaker 1: never forget because it looked truly like like I'll just
Speaker 1: never forget scenes that I seen that I saw Middle
Speaker 1: Ditch and fran do as like the Sun in the Moon.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy. When I'm watching it's
Speaker 1: art like I was, I remember um like just like
Speaker 1: being so sucked away by it, and it's just like
Speaker 1: that's what I think everyone wants is just that moment
Speaker 1: up there of like community and speaking a language with
Speaker 1: someone that like it seems like only you know, do
Speaker 1: you have people that you're that are your favorite people
Speaker 1: that you've performed with. I mean, I am so blessed
Speaker 1: to have Alex Dixon and Connor rat List stepfather. It's
Speaker 1: we really. I mean I've really lucked out with my
Speaker 1: UM with like improv teams I've been on and I
Speaker 1: know that UM but and I know just like that
Speaker 1: feeling of like what a team that succeeds as one
Speaker 1: that cares for each other. In my first team, like
Speaker 1: we were just like all assholes, all assholes to each other,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, yeah, that's why the
Speaker 1: team didn't work. And my second team was like okay
Speaker 1: and fun um but then kind of also like this
Speaker 1: thing of like just too much like not really caring
Speaker 1: for each other. And then I finally found like when
Speaker 1: I had um mail or Demon which turned into fuand
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, we're all on the same page.
Speaker 1: We all really want to work for this one thing,
Speaker 1: and uh if one of us was like oh, like
Speaker 1: no one ever was just like I don't, I can't,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do. That was like they would
Speaker 1: be like and honestly, like, you know what, this isn't
Speaker 1: I don't feel strong about this, but I will try it,
Speaker 1: like I will give a percent and we'll try it
Speaker 1: and let me you know, but I want just like
Speaker 1: we were all honest with each other and it was
Speaker 1: like in a good way and it was like and
Speaker 1: it was like great. And then I got on uh
Speaker 1: uh Stepfathers, which was like a scary thing because I
Speaker 1: was like deciding to leave this team that I was
Speaker 1: just like really loved and we were doing it was
Speaker 1: really challenging me and making me a better improviser and
Speaker 1: were just like doing really cool ship and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm it was a very hard It was like a
Speaker 1: really hard decision. I had the hardest time telling the team. Um.
Speaker 1: It was just like oh this like this wasn't like
Speaker 1: see this was like ah, I'm stepping away and like
Speaker 1: taking a chance. Um. And then stepfather has turned out
Speaker 1: turned out great and now it's like it's been Um.
Speaker 1: Now it's just like it's me and Alex and Connor
Speaker 1: and it's for the most part and it's like we
Speaker 1: just I have just like genuine love for both of
Speaker 1: them where we are just like on stage taking care
Speaker 1: of each other, having fun. We just know each other
Speaker 1: so well that it's like, oh, we can step out
Speaker 1: and just like just just yeah yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: and I know that's why, like we are so good,
Speaker 1: did you because we share with each other or if
Speaker 1: we don't, we're just like I know something, tell me,
Speaker 1: like we don't like there's no yeah, we're really good
Speaker 1: about yeah about that. So it's like that is yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you see Connor on Marvelous Mrs Masal? I watched,
Speaker 1: I went to his I went to his episode and
Speaker 1: like was watching Chester like he basically plays like like
Speaker 1: the show. She's like pretending to be like the like
Speaker 1: sanitation worker at the Catskills so that she can keep
Speaker 1: an eye on and um, like she's just walking around
Speaker 1: with a plunger just to make sure everyone thinks she
Speaker 1: works there. And Connor plays a guy who's also doing that.
Speaker 1: He's just like also a cream that's great, very good.
Speaker 1: It's like very connor ratative. Oh my god, Alex Dixon too,
Speaker 1: and great energy. If we're listening show Biz, get on
Speaker 1: the Alex Dixon are sleeping on. He can do anything.
Speaker 1: She's such an amazing actress, so good makes me a
Speaker 1: better improviser. Her and Connor both are like just reactors,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like an insane uh monster, and they
Speaker 1: make me. They've both made me a better actor. Yes,
Speaker 1: it really there's a big difference, you know, whence you're
Speaker 1: dead on with that. Alex Dixon, she acts her series.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else does that? They're yeah,
Speaker 1: She's yeah. They're like honest, real reactions that lead to humor,
Speaker 1: like those honest like she Glen, Glenn Busanna and I
Speaker 1: did this weird web series where I forgot what she
Speaker 1: wrote it, but like we were these two like branding consultants,
Speaker 1: and then Alex Dixon comes in and plays her. Her
Speaker 1: and Karen were like these two like female CEOs with
Speaker 1: this company and like and like Glenn and I were
Speaker 1: like just being incompetent for whatever reason. Then we were
Speaker 1: just improvising the whole thing. And then and then the
Speaker 1: funniest moment was Alex just going you're you're terrible people,
Speaker 1: Like you're you're bad at your jobs. It was just
Speaker 1: but it was acting. It was like fully and full realism.
Speaker 1: Like you also just said the name Glenn and then
Speaker 1: my heart Yeah I bet um but yeah, Alex phenomenal. Um,
Speaker 1: it's UCP has truly like that was really like so formative,
Speaker 1: like because it really exposed us to the best people
Speaker 1: like it. I think UCB like sets the tone for
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff for everything. I mean that's true,
Speaker 1: but like in terms of the talent it generates, like yes,
Speaker 1: like that has always been there, but in terms of
Speaker 1: how it ripples out into other people's work, like it
Speaker 1: is informed by whether people are like, um, just like
Speaker 1: going upstream from it in a fun way where it's
Speaker 1: like altered, it's like crazy. It's like you know, fucking
Speaker 1: Connor many will do something nuts where you know it's
Speaker 1: he's in it, but he's also like totally fucking shut up,
Speaker 1: or it's someone who like I feel like we like
Speaker 1: also like all say that we like are very influenced
Speaker 1: by the sensibility that like we like picked up from
Speaker 1: meeting people there and orange that am most are glad
Speaker 1: that there's people that have not come through that found
Speaker 1: other ways, you know, like you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: think I think Patty Harrison needs to taken improv class,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like she's like she took classes.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but she was like an improviser
Speaker 1: in college. I always just thought of her as like
Speaker 1: someone that came from like stand up or whatever. But
Speaker 1: then I realized like she was, like she an improviser.
Speaker 1: Yeah she has, but it's like, yeah, there's like certain
Speaker 1: as like no, you don't need to you don't need
Speaker 1: to come through this. Also, I think it would squash
Speaker 1: some people, you know, like if you just can know
Speaker 1: like what is your or if you're going through and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you know, if this isn't for me
Speaker 1: and that's okay, okay, or it's like oh I got
Speaker 1: some training, that's okay, I'm gonna you know, I want
Speaker 1: to go to a show somewhere else, and like it
Speaker 1: takes a tremendous amount of self awareness, but I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in everybody to be like there is
Speaker 1: a mechanism in every person to be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: isn't for me. Yeah, I mean that's the case. Like
Speaker 1: at the end of my like a little at the
Speaker 1: end of my road there, I wasn't on a herald
Speaker 1: team and I was never going to be because I
Speaker 1: wasn't good at the herald, Like it's just not the
Speaker 1: way my brain works. But taking improv classes that you
Speaker 1: ce B did not only made me a better performer,
Speaker 1: made me a perform I didn't realize I could even
Speaker 1: stand up in front of people and speak like that
Speaker 1: until I took my one on one and you see me.
Speaker 1: So it's like there's so many others and it also
Speaker 1: makes people better communicators. Hello hopefully right are you? Is
Speaker 1: there some sense of relief relief um now that you're
Speaker 1: just on like the performer side fully like full, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, okay, you did for four or five years
Speaker 1: and did for four years. Yeah, yeah, biggest thing, biggest
Speaker 1: like biggest reliase of tension. What was like the biggest
Speaker 1: tension for you? Would you say it's just my time?
Speaker 1: It was it was just a job that took my life.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a person that like if I have
Speaker 1: a job, I do it. Like I don't have I
Speaker 1: can't half ask anything. So I just kind of like
Speaker 1: all the way, I just was like submerged myself all
Speaker 1: the way. And it's like, because you know, I can't
Speaker 1: not um because affects so many people who I know
Speaker 1: were like working hard and stuff. So that was like
Speaker 1: it was just such a time a time suck where
Speaker 1: I you know, I made a plan. I made an
Speaker 1: exit plan to be like, okay, this is when I
Speaker 1: got to be out. And then I pushed that um
Speaker 1: a little bit because of the move from Chelsea to
Speaker 1: Hill's Kitchen, and I was like, okay, I can't leave
Speaker 1: yet because my thing of being like I can't abandon this.
Speaker 1: I gotta like take this through a little bit um.
Speaker 1: And then and then uh, and then I finally was
Speaker 1: just like I gotta I got, but I gave five
Speaker 1: months notice. Well it seems like it was like I
Speaker 1: wasn't being a monster about it. I was like, I
Speaker 1: just I'm going to give five months notice because then
Speaker 1: I've said it, it's happening. I can see d c
Speaker 1: M through and just like let the next person start
Speaker 1: at like a chill time, because like to just like
Speaker 1: start at a not chill time would be like insane
Speaker 1: and there are so few and far between pockets of
Speaker 1: chill time. No, it's like July August is like the
Speaker 1: only chill time yea, or like holidays. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to like train someone over the holidays totally. I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that you were stepping down and I was like,
Speaker 1: who I could do it? Remember, you just became so
Speaker 1: synonymous with me, for me with running that theater so well.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, there's a scary thing to
Speaker 1: be stepping down because it wasn't like who will do
Speaker 1: I was like, who wants to do that? Another show?
Speaker 1: And I think people getting two am three am emails
Speaker 1: from me for like four years, Like what is this life?
Speaker 1: Hardney asked me. He's like, I'm thinking about applying for it.
Speaker 1: I was like, and I literally said him, I was like,
Speaker 1: do you want that job? I was like I think
Speaker 1: I do. And I was like, okay, bitch, I think
Speaker 1: you'd be perfect for it. When I and when I
Speaker 1: knew that DCM was probably not going to be part
Speaker 1: of the thing too, but like I couldn't like announced that.
Speaker 1: But I was like, maybe he wants to announced that
Speaker 1: d c M won't be in you know, New York,
Speaker 1: that maybe more people will apply, but that we announced that.
Speaker 1: But because that truly also killed me, M yeah yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, my time was like that. It was like
Speaker 1: a huge It was like a huge thing, like I
Speaker 1: didn't really have like a life. Um and then uh,
Speaker 1: also you know you hit a point of upsetting people unintentionally,
Speaker 1: like there's only like a limit that you can hit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where it's just like, oh, my job is making people upset.
Speaker 1: And someone said to me shortly before I had already
Speaker 1: given my notice to the u C before an alex citizen. Um.
Speaker 1: But then someone had said to me before I announced
Speaker 1: it to everyone, They're like, shin, and you know that
Speaker 1: your job like you never You're never right. And I
Speaker 1: was like what, And I'm like no, like you're never
Speaker 1: right because like you could put someone on a team
Speaker 1: and then someone else's like why are they on a team.
Speaker 1: So it's like anything I do is like never going
Speaker 1: to completely please everybody. And I was like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. I'm made aware of that. I
Speaker 1: got off Facebook too late. But when I did get
Speaker 1: on Facebook, but a blessing so if oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's like oh I don't have to see it was yeah,
Speaker 1: it's are you off? I'm off? Are are you off?
Speaker 1: I'm off? I'm about to do the thing where I
Speaker 1: just download all my photos and then I just fully
Speaker 1: shut it down. I have a Dumby account great that
Speaker 1: I just used for like my CrossFit in my skateball team.
Speaker 1: The election and that like it's friendless, like people, I'm
Speaker 1: not your friend, and like, yeah, it's a friendless account,
Speaker 1: so I'm not looking at it's The election ruined it
Speaker 1: for me, But it was kind of just more like
Speaker 1: not even just that, it was just the seeing people change.
Speaker 1: Once I started to make estimations and like calls about
Speaker 1: people who are my friends in real life based on
Speaker 1: their online persona. That was like truly just words on
Speaker 1: the screen. I was like, I can't do this anymore,
Speaker 1: Like I know I have more love in my heart
Speaker 1: than what I feel every time I walk onto this website.
Speaker 1: It just turns you into a monster, which is why
Speaker 1: I think, like I think young people are very perceptive,
Speaker 1: and I think that like so young people are not
Speaker 1: on Facebook. They're not on Facebook, Like at what age
Speaker 1: are we talking this? As I think like they look
Speaker 1: at it like, but who is young? Like what ages?
Speaker 1: High school kids are not on it right now? And
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of college kids are on it.
Speaker 1: Interesting And do you truly do they use I think
Speaker 1: they go on Instagram and they do Snapchat. But you're
Speaker 1: saying that we're about where like leaning they're gonna wan
Speaker 1: off Instagram and no Snapchat as a fucking ghost town, right, Well,
Speaker 1: they do something and I don't know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1: That's how I know, Like that, really I'm really not
Speaker 1: in touch with what the kids are doing because I
Speaker 1: really don't even know what they're on now. But I
Speaker 1: know they're not on Facebook. And I also know that
Speaker 1: like a lot of us are not on Facebook. People
Speaker 1: are not on Facebook. Feels like a ghost tenn too.
Speaker 1: But you're saying because it's like criminal, But is your
Speaker 1: theory that, um, they're going to hit a wall with
Speaker 1: Instagram to that Let's like there's no the bubble for
Speaker 1: them is about to burst where it's like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't want any sort of online exposure. I think that
Speaker 1: the conversation around these things are becoming so negative because
Speaker 1: it makes us feel bad, and I think that we
Speaker 1: only are going to take that for so long, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, and you think about like
Speaker 1: these things like it's like anything else that consumes the
Speaker 1: time of the populace, Like people move on to other interests,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There are times when people
Speaker 1: don't go There was a time when there was no
Speaker 1: blockbuster movies, you know what I mean. Like, and then
Speaker 1: there was a time like I just think different things
Speaker 1: take hold and we will find like what the next
Speaker 1: Facebook is that will bring everyone's attention over there. I mean,
Speaker 1: movies used to be in the theaters for six months
Speaker 1: and now it's like what six weeks, two months or Yeah,
Speaker 1: I work at a movie theater, and it was like
Speaker 1: we had Jurassic Park for six months. Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: Liar Liar for six months, and there was like in
Speaker 1: terms of we had Home Alone for six months hit
Speaker 1: movies that were Remember you can look at the list
Speaker 1: like of all the most highest grossing movies every year,
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy the way it's changed from like
Speaker 1: the year two thousand eighteen. Now it's like used to
Speaker 1: have like three or four movies that made over a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Now it's like the top thirty movies
Speaker 1: all making over a hundred million dollars. And like the
Speaker 1: way like the kinds of films that are made now
Speaker 1: is just the movie is really depressed me because it's
Speaker 1: all sequels. But like these things change, you like yeah,
Speaker 1: and my only thing is like I feel that if
Speaker 1: you really look at it, we are getting dumber because
Speaker 1: I think if you were to take movies and the
Speaker 1: and the box office totals and you really just look
Speaker 1: at it, the lack of imagination in storytelling and just
Speaker 1: the fact that we're getting regurgitated the same idea again
Speaker 1: and again and again, and these movies are all the same,
Speaker 1: and that that is making such an exorbitant amount of
Speaker 1: money and we're willing to keep going back and going
Speaker 1: back and going back. That is like, because we're not
Speaker 1: using our brains. You're saying a star is born is
Speaker 1: I'm saying a star is born is an example. No,
Speaker 1: I think the stars weren't actually counts as like an
Speaker 1: original thought to be honest, because that's like a that's
Speaker 1: a different one. What I'm saying is like when we
Speaker 1: get fucking you know, fast and the furious, it's the
Speaker 1: furious because it's like we're banking on it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like the same thing, just the same story,
Speaker 1: different cars, right exactly. We're just we're just feeling dumber
Speaker 1: like it. And it's just like a lot of it
Speaker 1: is it's it's just shiny objects. I mean, I catch
Speaker 1: myself on Instagram just watching people ice cakes. You know
Speaker 1: too much, which I'm like, wow, how do they make
Speaker 1: this unicornin? And I see it and I'm like what,
Speaker 1: And I will just watch it because it's like my Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess it's like my version of a SMR or
Speaker 1: just is that what it would be. I don't know what. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's like a thing of like, oh, I can just
Speaker 1: like shut down, shut down and watch this, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's not helping me. I don't because I'm not
Speaker 1: learning anything from it, and I get mad at myself.
Speaker 1: And we're addicted to it, but the young kids aren't,
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna be able to see it and
Speaker 1: be like that's bad and they're just gonna do something else. Well,
Speaker 1: you saying that at the beginning was reminding me of
Speaker 1: like when I was a kid and what I like
Speaker 1: to do. Maybe it was like my own version of
Speaker 1: like I love just shooting free throws in my yard
Speaker 1: and driveway. I could do that. I could take my
Speaker 1: boom box out, listen to the NBA draft and just
Speaker 1: like shoot for the night. I would do like you
Speaker 1: ever do those? Um. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: had it because you're our age difference, but it was
Speaker 1: like a it was a pogo ball and it was
Speaker 1: like around rubber ball with like a saucer, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you're jump and I was like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: my swiping. That was my swiping, because I would I
Speaker 1: went to a after a summer camp um at and
Speaker 1: now I could if I if you held the record,
Speaker 1: you got like I'm a free like McDonald's hamburger, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I just did this for a thousand jumps,
Speaker 1: and I would and I would have blisters on the
Speaker 1: inside of my of like my feet because it was
Speaker 1: just like I had to like that's like what my
Speaker 1: swiping was. But it was like collectivity act was conductive.
Speaker 1: But I could also do I could read more books
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Now it's just like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get back into reading and I'm doing better,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like even like um, like the way
Speaker 1: here was like, oh, I have a subway, right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna read the book. But then I got,
Speaker 1: um just just like a little bit sidetracked um by
Speaker 1: my I don't think so, honey, honestly, where I was
Speaker 1: like okay, so it still was like still it was
Speaker 1: still using my brain it isn't. But isn't that a
Speaker 1: scary thing where it's like I have to remind myself
Speaker 1: that to feel good about the fact that I did
Speaker 1: use my brain, you know what I mean. Like, but
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm also at my best when I as
Speaker 1: a performer, when I when my brain feels stronger and
Speaker 1: like I'm like taking care of myself like physically and
Speaker 1: my brains. I'm working out and I'm reading or doing
Speaker 1: something that feels like it's like a task, like I
Speaker 1: just gotta switch, thank you, And I feel I'm just
Speaker 1: doing Mario Odyssey right now, and I feel great about that.
Speaker 1: Like I don't do it a lot. I just do
Speaker 1: it for like a half fib It's like it's problem solving,
Speaker 1: it's puzzles, it's problem solving. So it's like that's not
Speaker 1: me just watching you know, different three tier cakes being
Speaker 1: Deckory did in different ways, Like I'm just like oh yes, oh,
Speaker 1: and it's like coordination and all that stuff. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for hours and hours, but there
Speaker 1: is like I don't feel bad about that because it
Speaker 1: is like a puzzle that yeah, and because the game
Speaker 1: is designed for sort of these little pick up and
Speaker 1: play moments. Yes, And I feel like, are you as
Speaker 1: older person, I feel like you would like Zelda. I
Speaker 1: I hear I didn't like old school Zelda. Zelda is
Speaker 1: hard an esoteric, but like you know, Nintendo Day, but
Speaker 1: I hear that the Zelda is awesome. It is exactly
Speaker 1: what you're looking for in terms of these little shrines,
Speaker 1: these little micro puzzles that are all about spatial reasoning
Speaker 1: and all about like coordination. It's which I really enjoy
Speaker 1: and I'm not like and it might be your gateway
Speaker 1: into other Zelda games because if you go, if you
Speaker 1: start with this most recent and go backwards, you just realize, oh,
Speaker 1: like I only recently got into Zelda, Like I played
Speaker 1: Acarina when I was a kid, but then like fell off.
Speaker 1: But then in the lead up to this news, all
Speaker 1: the game played all the older ones, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a genius series, Like it's all just puzzles,
Speaker 1: all just these really love video games. Then I did
Speaker 1: I just like didn't have the time when after I
Speaker 1: became a d but like I wish I hadn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like the switch was like, oh this is like
Speaker 1: a an easy easy a New Gateway. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is like I hope kids are getting away
Speaker 1: from I think it's we're going to look back at
Speaker 1: this time and we're going to realize, like we were
Speaker 1: obsessed with social it's a drug. We didn't realize we've
Speaker 1: been doing cocaine this entire time and didn't know. We
Speaker 1: didn't know, Like there was no warning on the cigarette
Speaker 1: pack when we started smoking. Twitter was originally you telling
Speaker 1: your friends where you were right, what you were eating,
Speaker 1: what you're doing. It's just going to the movies. And
Speaker 1: now it's yeah, it's it's some of that, Like I
Speaker 1: love the jokes, but when it is when you look
Speaker 1: up stuff and it's just like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: terrible rumor and now people are gonna believe it. And
Speaker 1: it's like you can't bat you cannot battle like a
Speaker 1: brush fire. No, it's literally it's a forest fire. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna burn, and people are just gonna remember
Speaker 1: the burn and not that like it started. It was
Speaker 1: like this like stupid match that was lit inappropriately should
Speaker 1: never have lit. That match should have never been lit.
Speaker 1: It was falsely lit, just like we never we did
Speaker 1: not need to light it because before you lit it?
Speaker 1: Should have asked hionhe should I light this? And no,
Speaker 1: And here's why you shouldn't light it, because your reasoning
Speaker 1: for lighting it is actually incorrect. But now you're lighting
Speaker 1: it and throwing it and being like the consequences just
Speaker 1: like you can't control it. I have hope. I have
Speaker 1: hope because I just think, like I think, the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is our general are like generations might
Speaker 1: be kind of lost to it because we're already obsessed.
Speaker 1: We're already addicted. We have this addiction in our lives.
Speaker 1: But I know that the younger generation, like they have
Speaker 1: to be able to look at this and call out
Speaker 1: that unusual thing, which is the obsession with and indulgence
Speaker 1: in constant falsity, like you know, flood ing in your
Speaker 1: blood stream like it's wild. Yeah, it is a drug.
Speaker 1: It's a bad drug. We move on, Move on. We're
Speaker 1: gonna move on to I don't think so. Obviously our
Speaker 1: guest has been a stewing on on her. Matt, you go, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His
Speaker 1: time starts and now I don't think so, honey. The
Speaker 1: earbuds that come with any iPhone products. What the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on? When literally am I the only one
Speaker 1: who two months after I'm using it only one earbud works?
Speaker 1: Answer this question? Is this a thing like? This is?
Speaker 1: I swear to God? And then you go to replace
Speaker 1: them and it's thirty dollars you need to take care
Speaker 1: of What do you mean I need to take care
Speaker 1: of them? You're sitting on one of them too, You're
Speaker 1: putting too much pressure. Okay, well this is no. That
Speaker 1: would I would have to be in a thing I
Speaker 1: swear to God. I feel like headphones should be like
Speaker 1: WiFi and water. Everyone should just be able to have them.
Speaker 1: I need them, and honestly, it's like I get the iPhones,
Speaker 1: they have this whole thing where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you better update at a certain time or the phone's
Speaker 1: basically gonna melt in your hands. But I just feel
Speaker 1: so upset. I don't even own headphones right now because
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna go out and buy them for
Speaker 1: thirty dollars or just too much money, and then they're
Speaker 1: gonna like not be usable in five seconds. And also
Speaker 1: there's small you can lose them, So I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, headphones No Oh that's good. I have I
Speaker 1: just started my wrong No, I just started Bluetooth Culture
Speaker 1: number sixteen head yes, And so this is my problem though.
Speaker 1: It's like right now I don't even have any headphones
Speaker 1: and I'm like a psycho in the gym, like who
Speaker 1: has nothing like And I'm just like, no, that you
Speaker 1: can't do that. Famously hasn't. He thinks he's a big
Speaker 1: strong boy and just goes and just listens to nothing.
Speaker 1: And I've been doing that. I'm just literally like buy
Speaker 1: myself in the gym. And I wanted people to listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts and do my thing while I'm in the gym.
Speaker 1: But I'm scared to go out and buy them because
Speaker 1: they've proven unreliable because non Apple ones. You mean, I'll
Speaker 1: even go to the Apple store and buy Apple ones
Speaker 1: and then I'm shocked when the product is bad and
Speaker 1: I and I can't m I don't know. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I guess, um, things aren't made like they used to be.
Speaker 1: They sound old, but I have my grandmother's mixer, hand mixer,
Speaker 1: and it still works. My moms like there's a smell,
Speaker 1: but it works. I have a bowl that my mom
Speaker 1: always but there's like a it's like there's like a
Speaker 1: burning smell, but it works. I make Costa in this
Speaker 1: bowl that my mom gave me, and every single time
Speaker 1: she she's she doesn't even say that's my bowl I
Speaker 1: gave you. She has my bowl from when I was single,
Speaker 1: like from when she was single, And I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is so weird. When I who else eight out of
Speaker 1: that bowl? Alright? Who could have been the person that
Speaker 1: did not allow you to exist? She went to Junior
Speaker 1: Problem with this guy who his name is Kevin Maser
Speaker 1: and he takes all the photos of Beyonce when she
Speaker 1: does a concert. He's a huge celebrated photographer. My mom
Speaker 1: dated him in high school and they went to Junior Problems.
Speaker 1: She takes pictures for everything, takes for every celebrity. Literally,
Speaker 1: if you go on this every award show, he's every
Speaker 1: award show, every concert. He's like, no the stars. Kevin
Speaker 1: Mazer that was my mom's like boyfriend in high school.
Speaker 1: She said, hey, they still talk, okay. We still thought
Speaker 1: he was going to do my head shots a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Oh my god. And I was like, don't
Speaker 1: make him do that because I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: could talk to him if you ever want to do
Speaker 1: something like back when she thought that's how you get
Speaker 1: an agent, like she was going to use her industry connects.
Speaker 1: That would have been very cool but probably a weird move, probably,
Speaker 1: But apparently she still does and he still knew if
Speaker 1: people like, yeah, people could tell like, oh, those are
Speaker 1: show but I'm telling you, this guy is like huge.
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey, and his time
Speaker 1: actually starts now. I don't think so, honey, Carbs who
Speaker 1: I'm on whole thirty right now, I don't miss you,
Speaker 1: and I'm shocked at myself. I remember I did a
Speaker 1: different diet, the Tim Ferris one back in college, and
Speaker 1: on the second day I was calling everyone toxic and
Speaker 1: disgusting and all I want it was a pizza. But
Speaker 1: somehow whole thirty, I'm I'm surprisingly sticking to it. But
Speaker 1: that's not true. I cheated, cheated, and then I cheated
Speaker 1: last night because I ate a really good pot pie.
Speaker 1: So you know what, I've fallen off the wagon already,
Speaker 1: but seconds. But everyone describes this thing when you're on
Speaker 1: thirty that you look at the things that you used
Speaker 1: to and your like disgusted by them, And I love
Speaker 1: that and it's um a fun feeling to be in
Speaker 1: control of what you put in your body. And I
Speaker 1: recommend this to you. Don't need a point to me.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it like we've been putting garbage in
Speaker 1: our bodies and we have to hit the reset button.
Speaker 1: And that's what the whole thirty is. I'm not being endorsed.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it gets. It gets a lot
Speaker 1: of flag people sit on it a lot, but I
Speaker 1: don't mind it. It's actually not a bad way to go.
Speaker 1: And that was actually and I do think so, honey, yeah,
Speaker 1: my question. I don't think so many cars, but I
Speaker 1: don't think any cars. I had potpie last night and
Speaker 1: it was good and I'm okay with it, but like,
Speaker 1: you should do this whole this was saying I haven't
Speaker 1: been and that that happens. I haven't been doing any
Speaker 1: specific dieting plan, but I have been going to the
Speaker 1: gym every day and afterwards, I eat like lean proteins
Speaker 1: and I do drink protein shakes. And I will say this,
Speaker 1: I've been eating so like well for for me over
Speaker 1: the past two weeks. The other night at Dave's me
Speaker 1: Dave an area like ate a bunch of like chips,
Speaker 1: and salsa when we're watching the Globes. The next day, stomachache,
Speaker 1: I was like shooting blood. It was horrible. I was
Speaker 1: like my body was like get this eating and honestly
Speaker 1: like but my body was like my body was literally
Speaker 1: like we are rejecting drug, junk food. Now it's good though.
Speaker 1: Your body has become like selfe. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's deciding to get rid of it. My body is
Speaker 1: deciding it does I think when you take care of
Speaker 1: yourself and you have that bad stuff, I feel like
Speaker 1: the bad stuff actually doesn't it makes you feel bad,
Speaker 1: but like it's like that that's you knowing that you've
Speaker 1: worked to get rid of it. It's very that. And
Speaker 1: also I don't know if this happens to you guys,
Speaker 1: but like I've recently been back in the gym, like
Speaker 1: I said, and like I'll get through my second set
Speaker 1: of whatever I'm doing, and my body is like we
Speaker 1: have to ship now. Like my body will just be
Speaker 1: like we have to go ship right now. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then I do, are you not on a schedule? I
Speaker 1: like a poop schedule. Well, I'm a morning pooper. I'm
Speaker 1: a morning pooper to yeah, and I'm you know what's
Speaker 1: really bad and this is the one main thing I
Speaker 1: have to change going forward. I'm a bad night eater.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't do it, Like like, how many
Speaker 1: hours before bed are you eating? Like the hour? The hour? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because that's when I smoke and oh you smoke too,
Speaker 1: I smoke weed and then I okay, like no, I
Speaker 1: I don't suppos cigarettes every What I do is like
Speaker 1: I wake up around honestly, around like ten because I'm
Speaker 1: usually doing shows at night, so up a little late.
Speaker 1: I'm very freelancer. So that's when my day starts. And
Speaker 1: I'm not hungry right away. I'll go to the gym,
Speaker 1: comeback eat after that. Then I'll end up eating like
Speaker 1: my lunch at like six, and then dinner wants to
Speaker 1: happen at ten eleven pm. Now that's you will wake up.
Speaker 1: You have to you want to wake up hungry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just keep telling myself that, just give yourself a
Speaker 1: give yourself a cut off time. Yeah, I won't eat
Speaker 1: after Like, what when do you go to bed? At
Speaker 1: least three hours? At least three hours before bed? Al right,
Speaker 1: so I won't eat. You stop eating, That's like the rule.
Speaker 1: That I hear. You can even cut it out a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, and remember like water is is gonna
Speaker 1: take away that hunger diet stuff with across that. Oh
Speaker 1: there's no like oh no, no one's like on your ass,
Speaker 1: but it's um. I was eating bad like the past
Speaker 1: two months. Uh, We'll admit I had too many sentiments donuts.
Speaker 1: Was like it was like the holiday that I hate
Speaker 1: the holidays and they really stressed me out. So I
Speaker 1: just was being bad. But I'm on a little nice
Speaker 1: There's a challenge at my CrossFit, so it's like you decide.
Speaker 1: There's no pressure on like what to eat. It's just
Speaker 1: like whatever however you want to do it, you do it.
Speaker 1: So some people are doing paleo, some people are doing UM,
Speaker 1: but I'm doing like clean clean eating, some clean eating.
Speaker 1: So I allowed myself like the only cheese I allowed
Speaker 1: myself is like goat cheese and that's just like a
Speaker 1: little bit um and the like and if I want it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like a lot of unprocessed and it makes
Speaker 1: you feel So now I am waking up hungry because
Speaker 1: I'm going to bed hungry. The last night I was
Speaker 1: really starving and I had like a swig of almond milk.
Speaker 1: So I was like, this isn't terrible, and maybe I
Speaker 1: think I had like an at like a little piece
Speaker 1: of I baked some apple. So I had like a
Speaker 1: baked apple. I was like, okay, like it's me weaning
Speaker 1: myself because I was also like getting like getting home
Speaker 1: late and just being like, oh, oh, I'm home and
Speaker 1: this is like this is my home and I've just
Speaker 1: watched my dogs and I'm not like I haven't wired
Speaker 1: down yet. So it's like training your body. But if
Speaker 1: you cut out, then you'll be hungry in the morning.
Speaker 1: You can get a little something to get your your
Speaker 1: metabolism going. Think about me, My impulse control is not
Speaker 1: good and any aspect of my life. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to sleep better. Yeah, I know you have like
Speaker 1: crazy dreams. I actually have insomnia, and I think it
Speaker 1: probably has to do with that. I'm actually learning a
Speaker 1: lot right now. You're making You're activating your body by eating.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, but just have a little bit of water.
Speaker 1: I'll have a little bit of water and I'll just
Speaker 1: just jerk off and jerk off. It does how it does.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you gotta jerk off you do in
Speaker 1: the morning, though I do all the time. You gotta
Speaker 1: get a little scream, I say, I gotta get a
Speaker 1: little scream if you want to dream. Groom. All right,
Speaker 1: this actually is I never that's the first time said
Speaker 1: that that I had a little scream if you want
Speaker 1: to dream? Culture is that rule of culture number six.
Speaker 1: You gotta get a little scream if you want to dream.
Speaker 1: And it's also the title of app Scream to Dream,
Speaker 1: Scream to Dream, Scream to Dream, the the number two.
Speaker 1: I almost had the letter to get a picture of that.
Speaker 1: Scream to Dream to Dream spaces spaces great. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is Shannon o'neils. I don't think so, honey, And I
Speaker 1: want to apologize. I did text twice with my Dogwalker.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need that apology because you're doing
Speaker 1: what you need to do. She's gonna look for a
Speaker 1: coat for my dog. You're a mother, doesn't I'm not
Speaker 1: their mother. You're their friends. Keep them alive. I'm their owner,
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm their alpha. Okay, all right, I don't
Speaker 1: think begins now. I don't think so, honey, Twitter News.
Speaker 1: What is what is your algorithm? And why is the
Speaker 1: woman found dead in a clothing donation box, still showing up.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Why do you quickly flash
Speaker 1: into my brain that a little boy is missing and
Speaker 1: then switch it to how some how much Samuel Jackson
Speaker 1: is worth? No, honey, figure out how is a woman
Speaker 1: that died at a d fourteen years old just barely
Speaker 1: beat out a tree snail that died at the age
Speaker 1: of fourteen. That is, honey, Update the news as it
Speaker 1: comes in. All right, I know about the huge fetburg.
Speaker 1: I've known about it for twenty four hours. To get
Speaker 1: her out of my feed, Honey, trends for you. That
Speaker 1: shit ain't for me. Trending for me Donald Trump Jr. No,
Speaker 1: he does not trend for me Thursday thoughts. It's Wednesday, Honey.
Speaker 1: Trend me some blind animals climbing a fucking rock, trying
Speaker 1: me a bunch of children dancing better than bag. She
Speaker 1: trend me how to make bacon healthy meal. Twitter news.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. That's one that's very good
Speaker 1: because I don't think so, honey. Best I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: should be things. What you really don't think, so honey?
Speaker 1: You really don't think my other Yeah, that was. But
Speaker 1: that was a fun one because it was like the
Speaker 1: pressure to like write something, which I need because I've
Speaker 1: been kind of lazy. So it's like I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: a little a little comedic pieces and that what was
Speaker 1: the other one? Other thing was I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: wedding registries. Have someone covered that? No, we've never heard
Speaker 1: that one. We've never had a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of wedding a lot of wedding traditions. I learned. I
Speaker 1: don't like wedding registries because like, you don't I know,
Speaker 1: you have cups and plates and bowls, Like you don't
Speaker 1: need it. It's an out of date tradition of like
Speaker 1: when you didn't have a house, and it's like you
Speaker 1: get married and you move into a house and you
Speaker 1: need help from the community. But yeah, you don't need it,
Speaker 1: you know what. I kind of like, also, do you
Speaker 1: have money, Like I know, if you're a wealthier person
Speaker 1: and you're getting married and you have poor friends coming right.
Speaker 1: Matt Garry and Shana's Houb did a cool thing, which
Speaker 1: was when they got married for for their um Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was like a wedding registry, yes, but
Speaker 1: it was like they were going on their honeymoon and
Speaker 1: it was a honey fund, and you paid for different
Speaker 1: things on their honeymoons. You don't like that. I loved
Speaker 1: it because I love knowing that they were gonna. I
Speaker 1: bought them like two rounds of drinks on the beach,
Speaker 1: and I loved that. I love knowing that's what they
Speaker 1: were gonna. Only if it's like it's a wonderful life.
Speaker 1: But if it's like I'm sending you on like an
Speaker 1: insane honeymoon. Yeah, I don't know what put that on me. No,
Speaker 1: there's something of I just think the traditions have warped
Speaker 1: what you know. It's like what a wedding was. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not people and love. I learned the other day
Speaker 1: that you know, the wedding cake, the wedding cake, where
Speaker 1: it comes from, I'm gonna mess it up. But during
Speaker 1: some time, pre time pre time, so pre time, pre time,
Speaker 1: the bride, it was there was this lore that she
Speaker 1: was like this magical thing on her wedding day, like
Speaker 1: she contained magic. So people would guess would come up
Speaker 1: and try and grab parts of the bride and like
Speaker 1: take pieces of her wedding dress and take you, like
Speaker 1: basically grabbing and being aggressive. To be like your magic,
Speaker 1: I have to touch you and take your stuff. So
Speaker 1: to stop that. The wedding cake is a wedding dress.
Speaker 1: It's this white teared wedding dress. So now every time
Speaker 1: you're eating the wedding cake, it's you're eating the bride.
Speaker 1: Did you fucking monsters? My? So next time you had
Speaker 1: a wedding, be careful what piece you eat and think
Speaker 1: about what part of the bride that is. So it's
Speaker 1: like this kind of like take aggressive kind of thing
Speaker 1: of like grabbing at the bride. I get the thing like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's magic. But then it's also like putting too much
Speaker 1: on someone that is getting married, like they're magical because
Speaker 1: someone decided to marry you, as we're all magical, magical.
Speaker 1: When someone's magical, your instinctn't be to grab them give me. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's too much. You should wait for them to come
Speaker 1: to you and give them a piece of your set
Speaker 1: of themselves. That those are both like weddings anyway. I'm
Speaker 1: a Yeah, I like a celebration, but I think it's
Speaker 1: like a party. I love a party. A party, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think if I ever do find someone again
Speaker 1: have a wedding, because like I would want to have
Speaker 1: the party, but then also like I don't want to
Speaker 1: do the thing where I have to invite, where I
Speaker 1: have to invite people. Yeah, my parents are sure as
Speaker 1: he'll not come into my gaate wedding. So I'm doing
Speaker 1: it at City Hall and then we're just gonna go
Speaker 1: to a bar afterwards. Love that bit, and it'll be
Speaker 1: it'll be like them will close it down. I'm giving
Speaker 1: such a speech. There'll be a private event. Everyone can
Speaker 1: do what they want to do. Make sure you're not
Speaker 1: feeling the pressure to the That's what like it should be.
Speaker 1: I love a wedding where it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: really the couple, Like you can you can see their
Speaker 1: essence in it. A couple of my friends like like
Speaker 1: I've been at their weddings and I'm like, did you
Speaker 1: want this? You know what I mean? Like sometimes like
Speaker 1: when the when the wedding is like super religious, or
Speaker 1: when the wedding is like when like there's a ton
Speaker 1: of people they're doing things at the wedding at the service,
Speaker 1: like oh, I've never seen before. I'm like, did you
Speaker 1: want this or did you were you told you had
Speaker 1: to have that person, or it's the parents that it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, or was it what the parents wanted? I
Speaker 1: just want my wedding to be my wedding if I
Speaker 1: ever have. I love a wedding, and it's fine if
Speaker 1: you do this. But I love a wedding with no
Speaker 1: no parties when no, no, sorry no no wedding parties,
Speaker 1: wedding party, no no, no bride, no groom party. But
Speaker 1: it's fine if you you have them. It's also such
Speaker 1: a thing of like the pressure of I've never I
Speaker 1: was only a bridesmaid once and it was great because
Speaker 1: my friend Experience just told me, um, go get a dress,
Speaker 1: any dress you want, like what I think it was
Speaker 1: like a style. It was like a bohemian style. So
Speaker 1: we all just had like these different or she just like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is twenty dollars. It's at the kiosk at them all.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it for You'm like, great, I'll
Speaker 1: give you twenty bucks. Yeah. And you didn't like, you
Speaker 1: didn't like and it wasn't like this. Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: was no bachelorette party or like that pressure because you
Speaker 1: just hear like like I just hear people complaining about it,
Speaker 1: especially with with bachelorette parties, and then it's like you
Speaker 1: want to try and make it perfect for this person
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be. And then they come to
Speaker 1: your improv show and you're like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk to you. The show is not that you and
Speaker 1: your bachelorette party. Oh god, no, I mean, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think I already know who will be in
Speaker 1: my my bridal party. Was that what I'm calling our
Speaker 1: groom's party party? But it's it's a mixture of men
Speaker 1: and women. Okay, I will not be tied down by
Speaker 1: these all genders, don't ascribe the binary. A fun fact
Speaker 1: about me, I was married before, and I, on purpose,
Speaker 1: uh did not want to. I tried planning it for
Speaker 1: five minutes and hated it, and so we eloped and
Speaker 1: I was like, perfect, perfect, We're eloping. And then my
Speaker 1: ex sister in law decided that she was going to
Speaker 1: throw a surprise party for us, but she put it
Speaker 1: under the she under the guys that it was a
Speaker 1: surprise engagement party because she knew. The only people that
Speaker 1: knew were like, my mom knew, and my ex husband's
Speaker 1: mom knew, and his sisters and it was his one
Speaker 1: sister did this thing, so I didn't even know about
Speaker 1: this engagement party where she invited my dad and former
Speaker 1: stepmom who did not know I was going to be
Speaker 1: getting married on this moment, the sister. And then while
Speaker 1: we were we got we eloped in Vegas and then
Speaker 1: she did this and I found out about this party
Speaker 1: through my mom. She didn't invite my mom, and then
Speaker 1: my dad called. She didn't write my mom by accident
Speaker 1: because my mom was coming to Vegas with me, and
Speaker 1: then my dad found out about it. She my mom
Speaker 1: found out because my Dad's like, what's this party? So
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it, but I didn't know is
Speaker 1: that she was. She then sent an announcement that was
Speaker 1: like while we were like in Vegas, like on the
Speaker 1: Saturday after we got married, I get a call from
Speaker 1: my brother. He's like, I just got an announcement that
Speaker 1: says this party is actually a surprise wedding like wedding reception,
Speaker 1: and I just like, and she registered us. She had
Speaker 1: to go eventually, so yeah, that's the thing. Also, it's
Speaker 1: because people want to control. That's why I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I wanted it to be quick and dirty
Speaker 1: and let me deal with my dad add a stepmom later.
Speaker 1: You know that your your your love, your choice, your love,
Speaker 1: your choice. Your wedding experience should be if you want
Speaker 1: to get married, off you want to get married, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you don't, I might not. I probably want, but
Speaker 1: I might. Wow. Um, what a great episode. We had
Speaker 1: a great episode here And that was the kind of
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey from Shannon that really sparked
Speaker 1: something in me. Well, first of all, we need to
Speaker 1: we need to happen to you and I need to
Speaker 1: have a discussion about the future of it. Of I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna keep doing it, but like, do
Speaker 1: we need something new to sort of like bice up
Speaker 1: the post. You always think this, and I always say
Speaker 1: I am always wants to make it more difficult. Have
Speaker 1: people repeated things? There have been a couple of times
Speaker 1: where but everyone has a different terms to make human
Speaker 1: being so beautiful. They're all so different, every human being,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful and they all have a beautiful take. And
Speaker 1: so I wish you were just making a jerk off
Speaker 1: every human Thank you. I think I think I think
Speaker 1: we can there's there's a space for I don't think
Speaker 1: someone ney to coexist with other things that also start
Speaker 1: you bring the listeners in on this. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you adroom like not all specifically pop culture or it
Speaker 1: just we we have like these other like I don't
Speaker 1: think somebody is this beautiful condensed unit of time for
Speaker 1: to express rage at something. I feel like we can
Speaker 1: explore the full spectrum of human emotions. So what like
Speaker 1: beyond a minute? I do think? No, no, no, so
Speaker 1: like so like we've done, we've done on ours maybe
Speaker 1: stops up, We've done, we've we've done on our Patreon episodes.
Speaker 1: Um about this, Oh, but it's I think it's just
Speaker 1: as fun and interesting and texture. You can't have this
Speaker 1: discussion with me in front of the listeners. You have
Speaker 1: to go through channels. Channels. You have to go through
Speaker 1: my channels. Who are which are also your channel? I
Speaker 1: refused to speak to you. We need to speak to
Speaker 1: our It's good though, I feel complicated about this. We
Speaker 1: had do those drags recaps on our Patreon and we
Speaker 1: say I have complicated feelings about this, and it's for
Speaker 1: one minute you talk about what your feelings are. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's so hard for nuanced feelings. They never know what
Speaker 1: to say because I don't ever have complicated feelings. I
Speaker 1: always have a strong opinion whether it's right or not.
Speaker 1: I'll be told later, okay, so and you'll be the
Speaker 1: one to tell me absolutely. But that was the kind
Speaker 1: of I don't think somebody from Shannon that really just
Speaker 1: helped just reframe a lot of stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: you sure n help. Thank you. And Shannon is going
Speaker 1: to be on the other two. The other two. And
Speaker 1: I also remembered eventually Alternatino whenever that very fun shout
Speaker 1: a sketch a couple weeks ago, that very funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a funny, it's really funny. Show. Brendans Gibbins um
Speaker 1: Archer what a sweetheart. UM love him so much. We
Speaker 1: should have him on I show. Actually, I loved this episode.
Speaker 1: I think we got into it. We got into it
Speaker 1: and now we're going to get out of it with
Speaker 1: a song and I want Bowen to perform the theme
Speaker 1: song to Zelda. Dude, is that really how it goes?
Speaker 1: That's Zelda? What the words that I remember? That? That's
Speaker 1: like always been her themes, always been her theme. It's
Speaker 1: when she comes when she is president. You don't really
Speaker 1: get to see her that much. And she has power.
Speaker 1: She could turn to someone else. That's the chic, that's she,
Speaker 1: that's only anc and you have time just from me.
Speaker 1: Zelda is a lady warrior, a lady warrior. She's a princess.
Speaker 1: And then for such a long time, and Lincoln is
Speaker 1: very here taking the spotlight. I know. Link is in there,
Speaker 1: White links, the little green dude, Links the green Dude.
Speaker 1: But Zelda is like the Zelda is keeping everything together,
Speaker 1: like Zelda is literally saving the world from collapsing. Link
Speaker 1: is twink nonsense. Link is twink nonsense. A coin that
Speaker 1: I turned, that I turned and Joe Kim Booster is
Speaker 1: what the tech podcast and really I didn't listen to
Speaker 1: it yet we we we coined the term twink nonsense
Speaker 1: nonsense and I said, Ellen giving Ken Kevin Hart an
Speaker 1: apology platform is twink nonsense. Hashtag Ellen is a twink.
Speaker 1: Ellen is like a twink top though Ellen. Ellen is
Speaker 1: an alpha twink. Yeah, She's like when he comes in
Speaker 1: and run ship and you're like, whoa, that's twink really
Speaker 1: fucking was commanding. We celebrate that. And Porsche Derossi is
Speaker 1: a bottom Yeah, I mean yeah, I did Porsche by Ellen.
Speaker 1: That um that preserved with Porsche money or Ellen money.
Speaker 1: It's okay either way. But it's okay either wise. Let's
Speaker 1: just don't know what Porsche has been up to. Oh
Speaker 1: I think uh probably be probably be writing yeah, being rich.
Speaker 1: She was on Scanal. Let's let's let's murdered. Let's close
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