WEBVTT - Draft Night Tears & Basketball Wisdom w/ Tim Fudd

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Fun Around and find out it's your girl,

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<v Speaker 1>Shanti and this week we have a very special guest,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim fun Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>For having me on. I'm excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a month in the making and it

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<v Speaker 1>is my honor to be able to host you today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to it. Let's have some fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just talk about this past week. Your daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Wings played my New York Liberty. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what it was like for you in that environment. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the game.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, New York City shows out at the

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<v Speaker 4>Liberty games, not not only for Liberty games. We were

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<v Speaker 4>in Brooklyn for Unrivaled this past season as well, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was crazy there, and it was crazy for the

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<v Speaker 4>Liberty game on Sunday, it was crazy and Brooklyn when

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<v Speaker 4>Yukon went there. It's a great basketball atmosphere. It's got

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<v Speaker 4>to be one of the top in the w you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we went to Indiana for the first game and they

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<v Speaker 4>were they were really rabid fans there.

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<v Speaker 2>But New York is New York.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the that's the mecca, you know, mecca of the

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<v Speaker 4>basketball capitol ball not the basketball capital world, but the

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<v Speaker 4>Mecca will give them the Mecca.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, listen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I'm a little biased, but we definitely always

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<v Speaker 1>show out for our sports teams.

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<v Speaker 3>It does not matter if.

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<v Speaker 1>You like hockey, soccer, football, basketball. New York fans are

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<v Speaker 1>literally unmatched. But I'm really glad you liked the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was definitely electric and.

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<v Speaker 3>Our girl Azy lit us up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, seventeen points in the third quarter. I

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<v Speaker 1>was so excited, but also sick for my liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fund of the week? Maybe maybe what the.

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<v Speaker 3>Might be youring with the money, but I got some

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<v Speaker 3>cooking up.

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<v Speaker 4>The crazy part about it is that they you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we were in the city all weekend and the whole

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<v Speaker 4>city was is vibing, partly because the Knicks are making

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<v Speaker 4>the run, but you know, it's just exciting. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>great time for the be, you know, to be a

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<v Speaker 4>basketball fan in New York City or around New York City.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can get to the city, people are excited.

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<v Speaker 4>You see people, ordinary people just walking around with nick

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<v Speaker 4>hats on, and you know they don't know thing about basketball,

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<v Speaker 4>but hey, they're representing, and it was it was actually fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean right now, the Knicks have the city

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<v Speaker 1>on fire. So people are like selling shirts, hats, wearing gear,

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<v Speaker 1>people are allowed to change up their uniform at work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like it's a real exciting time to be

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<v Speaker 1>in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, just being a basketball fan, you know that this

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<v Speaker 4>time of the year for the Knicks and just a history.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I was a big Patrick Ewing fan

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<v Speaker 4>back in the day. Of course, he was George Town

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<v Speaker 4>University and you know we claim him here in the DMV,

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<v Speaker 4>but he was. He's one of my favorite players when

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<v Speaker 4>I was growing up. So I followed the Knicks a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Garden is always exciting, even with reckless season,

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<v Speaker 4>it's always exciting. It's always buzzing. And then we went

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, when we went to Brooklyn the other

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<v Speaker 4>day on Sunday to play the Liberty, it is just

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<v Speaker 4>such a buzz man. It's like you don't know who's who.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like you are looking around and you know, celebrity

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<v Speaker 4>here and we're sitting next to celebrities. And got to

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<v Speaker 4>meet Jason Sedeikis. He came over and said hello, hello,

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<v Speaker 4>and met his sister, took a picture with her. Stan

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<v Speaker 4>Ban Gundy came over with his daughter, who said she

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<v Speaker 4>was a big fan of Asy and got a chance

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<v Speaker 4>to take a picture with him have a conversation with him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, coach, I'm a big fan of yours. I've

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<v Speaker 4>been listening to you for a decade. So yeah, it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was exciting for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean in New York, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing about New Yorkers, we all believe that we're celebrities.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you'd be surprised it would be so many celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>walking around or just existing in the space, and New

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkers are kind of like used to it. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>people have the same experience in LA, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's super dope that you had to meet these people

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<v Speaker 1>and you get to see like.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's pretty normal, you know what I mean. Everyone. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing that we all have in common is we're here

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<v Speaker 3>for the sports.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here for the basketball game, We're here to enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the culture, the New York City sports culture.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>To see those people in the stands and people not

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<v Speaker 4>bothering them, just leaving them alone. They're like normal people,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, So that it is something to be said

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<v Speaker 4>for that. You know, you guys are respecting people, respect

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<v Speaker 4>their space, their time and energy, and allow them to

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<v Speaker 4>be be normal fans as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know security be tight, yes, they'd be tight, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>especially in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, they never play.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of you being in Brooklyn, you and Katie

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<v Speaker 1>got to train at my gym. I see you rocking

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<v Speaker 1>our hat the program and was see how is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to hear more about your other New

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<v Speaker 1>York City activities.

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<v Speaker 2>So first and.

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<v Speaker 4>Foremost, if you don't know about the program, you better

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<v Speaker 4>get with the program because that is a phenomenal space,

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<v Speaker 4>you know for someone who has both Katie and I

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<v Speaker 4>have aspired to own our own gym and to do

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<v Speaker 4>something like what the program is doing. Providing the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>for kids to learn, train and and trainers going into

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<v Speaker 4>the gym and bringing their clients in.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>So we get a chance on Saturday to show up

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<v Speaker 4>and actually get to work with a few few kids

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<v Speaker 4>in the area and that was awesome, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>being able to pop in and just get some knowledge

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<v Speaker 4>to some of the kids. And you look around and

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<v Speaker 4>everybody training the ball. There's a lot of trainers that

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<v Speaker 4>look like they are all cookie cutter, but most of

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<v Speaker 4>us trained differently and we trained different things. And Katie

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<v Speaker 4>and I have been built from the foundation of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're we're about development and trying to correct and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to teach and trying to allow, you know, the kids

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<v Speaker 4>a chance to grow their games and not so much

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<v Speaker 4>of a hectic environment, just something that we're trying to teach.

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<v Speaker 4>We're trying to give you something that you could take

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<v Speaker 4>away for a long time and use it for years

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<v Speaker 4>to come. So it was great being in the gym

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<v Speaker 4>with kids and impartan some knowledge and some expertise on

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<v Speaker 4>them and giving them a chance to show them some

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<v Speaker 4>of the things that we taught easy along the way.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was really really fun. Yeah, the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the weekend, we we kind of hung out. We hung

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<v Speaker 4>out with Jack and Jonathan a Ton had some great meals.

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<v Speaker 4>You you joined us for a couple of the meals

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<v Speaker 4>or one or two of the meals or whatever, and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's kind of sucky because the rain, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we were gonna we were playing on heading

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<v Speaker 4>back home on Sunday, and then we kicked around and

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<v Speaker 4>decided to stay over and overnight and come back Monday.

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<v Speaker 4>Katie got a chance to train a couple more kids

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<v Speaker 4>at the program again. But just just the vibe in

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<v Speaker 4>the city on even a rainy holiday weekend was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just want to stay on the behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the program. You guys are always welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I see that you've been holding a guest popping

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<v Speaker 1>in and out. Yeah, tell us about about your special

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<v Speaker 1>guests on your laugh.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, she just jumped down, but let's say hi, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>this is Stewie. Stewe wanted to make a guest appearance

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<v Speaker 4>because she said her mommy showed out on Sunday and

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<v Speaker 4>she she blocked your namesake, Stewie.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty good. That was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that that truly amazed me about a Z

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<v Speaker 1>is like, yes, she is a phenomenal officsive player, fire

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<v Speaker 1>MIDI great, but her defensive game is super underrated. In

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, that blocking uh the former MVP, former champion

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<v Speaker 1>like that as a rookie is insane, as any player

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<v Speaker 1>is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, shout out to easy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's hard not to not to get excited about

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<v Speaker 4>some of the stuff and talk about it and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you hear everybody's talking about it, of Saint mentioned things,

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<v Speaker 4>and but you also want to be respectful because Stewie

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<v Speaker 4>is one of the goats, and and you know, of

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<v Speaker 4>course if you come you kind of lum and one

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<v Speaker 4>of our favorites. And things happen when you're in the court,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the whole, the whole premises. You go out

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<v Speaker 4>there and you compete, and whatever happens happens. And she

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<v Speaker 4>happened to get a chance to defend her on a

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<v Speaker 4>on a situation where she switched on her and did

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<v Speaker 4>a down doing good job of fending off the basket

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<v Speaker 4>and then got her hand on the ball at into

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<v Speaker 4>the end of it and knocked it away and helped

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas can kind of keep that that little cushing of

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<v Speaker 4>a lead that they had. But yeah, it was, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was unbelievable, and it's it's really surreal, even to

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<v Speaker 4>this this point. It's only been about a month, but

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<v Speaker 4>to see her on the floor and the court with

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<v Speaker 4>some of the greats and the people that we've been watching,

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<v Speaker 4>she's been watching for a long time, and we've been

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<v Speaker 4>kind of day dreaming of this day coming. But it's

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<v Speaker 4>here and it's like, it's not normal, it's just surreal.

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<v Speaker 4>And then to see her how she played on Sunday

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<v Speaker 4>in that environment in that game. One of the last

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<v Speaker 4>things I said to her before the game, we send

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<v Speaker 4>a little pregame text all the time, just to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of just locking in on certain keys or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the last things I said to her

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<v Speaker 4>was like, enjoy this environment. You know, this is kind

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<v Speaker 4>of why we play the game. You go out in

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<v Speaker 4>that environment, there's no reason to be You may you

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<v Speaker 4>have that anxious jitters at first, but it's don't need

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<v Speaker 4>to be nervous because you hear to play and once

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<v Speaker 4>that ball goes up to playing and it is what

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<v Speaker 4>it is. It's just basketball and you just out there

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<v Speaker 4>competing ooping.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yes, absolutely, And she sure did. Oh she

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<v Speaker 3>what have you texted? I need? But you gotta texted

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<v Speaker 3>I every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>She makes me have to be diversify what I want

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<v Speaker 4>to say, because I definitely want to be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>copy paste, you know what, repeat rents and repeat, Let's

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<v Speaker 4>do it again, you know, but now, no, no two

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<v Speaker 4>games are alike. And hopefully for me, it's it's an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to see her. And it's funny because the discourse

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<v Speaker 4>with about Easy has been crazy online, which she doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>she doesn't really see any of that stuff. She stays

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<v Speaker 4>off of it. But you know, to see people debating

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<v Speaker 4>whether she should be starting or which would coming off

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<v Speaker 4>the bench eight, or you know, all the rookie of

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<v Speaker 4>the year craziness that they're they're they're debating, and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is that people on debate that that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The barbershop talk.

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<v Speaker 4>But the one thing that that really like for me

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<v Speaker 4>is that you know, she's achieved some of the loftiest goals.

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<v Speaker 4>Number one draft pick and no one's ever going to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to take that away like that. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>care if basketball seas to exist tomorrow, that's always going

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<v Speaker 4>to be her mention as the number one draft pick.

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<v Speaker 4>And you could say that all the wood ups in

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<v Speaker 4>the world, but that she gets to own that for

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of her life and beyond. But also just

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you know, Easy is just a different

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<v Speaker 4>kind of character, and you know this having worked with her,

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<v Speaker 4>She's not about all of those individual accolades. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>drive her, like it's not it's not what she plays for.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a she's a connector. She's not necessarily a someone

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<v Speaker 4>who's driven by you know that all the the individual stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>As a matter of fact, that there's clips of her

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<v Speaker 4>individual awards Yukon and handing the trophy off to her

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<v Speaker 4>teammates because it's not what she plays for. She plays

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<v Speaker 4>for them. She plays for them, and you can kind

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<v Speaker 4>of see her kind of developing that rapport with her

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<v Speaker 4>teammates in Dallas where that she wants to play for them,

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<v Speaker 4>she wants them to be successful, and she went she

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<v Speaker 4>plays because she's a winner and she wants to win championships.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. That's that's the driven driving force for her

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let's just I on that note, I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to know more about like what it was like

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<v Speaker 1>for you coaching Asy as she was growing up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you were one of her first coaches ever, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>tell us more about what it was like as coaching

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<v Speaker 1>young as just.

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<v Speaker 2>What you see as loves on her teammates.

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<v Speaker 4>She that's what kind of calls her to fall in

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<v Speaker 4>love with the game because of that camaraderie that she

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<v Speaker 4>had with her teammates at a young age. She was

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<v Speaker 4>so excited to show up on the weekend to play

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<v Speaker 4>with her teammates, that experienced something with her teammates and

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, slowly but surely we introduced work to

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<v Speaker 4>her and doing a little bit extra and teaching her

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<v Speaker 4>that just because you show up to practice doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>that you're you know, you're just doing this, doing the

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<v Speaker 4>bare minimum. You have to do a little bit extra

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<v Speaker 4>every day to increase your your aptitude, your knowledge, your

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<v Speaker 4>skill level and and your expertise. And sooner, uh, sooner

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<v Speaker 4>or later, that becomes habit. And the habit is what

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<v Speaker 4>she has in her instilled in her today that causes

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<v Speaker 4>her to want to get that extra work in and

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<v Speaker 4>continue to push herself and push those boundaries. But she

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<v Speaker 4>is so driven by that camaraderie with her teammates and

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<v Speaker 4>and wanting to have this common goal that you're working towards.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's that that's the epitome of who she is.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you're coaching her, uh, she's she's so coachable

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<v Speaker 4>to the point to a fault at times, like you

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<v Speaker 4>tell her X Y and Z, She's going to work

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<v Speaker 4>to do X, Y and Z and focus on that, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>as opposed to working on a B and C off

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<v Speaker 4>on her own. She's gonna work, worry about what you say,

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<v Speaker 4>and and that's that's just who she is. And this

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of the type of mentality. And she's always

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<v Speaker 4>been that way, even as a young child, like she

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<v Speaker 4>would she would she as a toddler, she'd be she'd

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<v Speaker 4>had that we would.

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<v Speaker 2>Call it the warm up period.

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<v Speaker 4>She take wake up from a nap, and she'd be

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<v Speaker 4>very social before the nap, and she'd wake up from

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<v Speaker 4>a nap. She'd sit in our laps for like ten, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty minutes, and it was like then she would slowly

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<v Speaker 4>come out of her shell and she'd be back social again.

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<v Speaker 4>And you could see the same type of thing happening

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<v Speaker 4>with her in the Dallas environment where she's been introduced

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<v Speaker 4>to this new environment and she's like, Okay, let me

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<v Speaker 4>see what this is about. Let me see how I

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<v Speaker 4>can interact and relate and connect with my teammates. And

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as that stuff starts to happen, she's like

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<v Speaker 4>a flower that hits but the morning dew and the

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<v Speaker 4>sun hits it and it just slowly opens up and

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<v Speaker 4>you get that full, full, bossoming personality. That's the way

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<v Speaker 4>I describe her. She's so slow up pomatic. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>you see it. You see that now, it's like all

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<v Speaker 4>of a sudden, Okay, we're seven games in here, Okay, here,

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<v Speaker 4>come there, here she is. She's starts starting to open up.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not something that we haven't seen all throughout

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<v Speaker 4>her life and every every new environment that she's ever

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<v Speaker 4>been in here, So it's really exciting to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I love seeing her get adjusted and starting to look

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<v Speaker 1>and feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Super comfortable out there.

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<v Speaker 1>As her former coach or I guess she's still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of coach her in this life. Yeah, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>get the best out of easy on the court?

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<v Speaker 2>You challenge her.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to challenge her, and you have to always

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<v Speaker 4>be willing to adapt those challenges. It can't just be

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<v Speaker 4>concrete level of expectation, because she'll rise to it. She'll

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<v Speaker 4>rise to a level of expectation, and you gotta you

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<v Speaker 4>have to then adapt and adjustice and fix your expectations

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<v Speaker 4>so that she continues to rise because uh, and then

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like any any high level great player, they

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<v Speaker 4>have this unique ability to rise to the occasion and

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<v Speaker 4>and and to meet those challenges and meet those expectations.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's that's the way I found it like we

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<v Speaker 4>would be in the gym working out and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're just working on shooting or whatever, and I found

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<v Speaker 4>that I started finding that she was getting bored throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the workout. Okay, make ten shots from this spot. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna do X, Y and Z, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>make You're gonna make seven shots here and then so

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<v Speaker 4>you could see her eat like in the midst of

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<v Speaker 4>shooting that, you know, making those ten shots halfway through.

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<v Speaker 2>Her minds like like was wandering because this is too easy.

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<v Speaker 4>And so now I'm it's like the smart kid in

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<v Speaker 4>class that's bored, you know, and he's showing he's displaying

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<v Speaker 4>negative behaviors or different behaviors. That's not that's unbecoming, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But you have to challenge them to keep them focused.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to start doing things differently, and we asked questions,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you how do you challenge to certain players

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<v Speaker 4>and college coaches right giving us advice and so everything

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<v Speaker 4>was it's about winning and it's about competing. You have

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<v Speaker 4>to you have to make this many shots right in

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<v Speaker 4>this spot, six of eight from the from the corner

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<v Speaker 4>three you have to do and then when you can

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<v Speaker 4>make the six of eight and then next time around,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be like, Okay, we're gonna shooting corner three, all right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you gotta make five swishes in a row before we

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<v Speaker 4>move to the next spot. And it'd be it'd be

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<v Speaker 4>amazing how you could literally see her eyes, the sparkle

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<v Speaker 4>in her eyes start to like and her eyes like narrow,

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<v Speaker 4>the focus is narrow. It was like you could literally

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<v Speaker 4>see her lock in on that goal and before you

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<v Speaker 4>know it, she's in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like she's.

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<v Speaker 4>Knocking shot off, the shot off, the shout out the shot,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, okay, all right. So when she when

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<v Speaker 4>she's challenged, it's like it's a it's almost like this

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<v Speaker 4>barbado in her to like, Okay, you think you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>beat me, I'm gonna beat.

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<v Speaker 2>You, you know. So you get a challenger one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. I love seeing the competitor of a Z.

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<v Speaker 1>So, with the success of coaching your daughter, is that

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<v Speaker 1>why you and Katie decided to build out GTS fusion?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us, yes, tell us what is GTS fusion?

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<v Speaker 4>So let me let me start with the coaching piece,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I never wanted to coach her because I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>buthole man. I am not nice like I can I

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<v Speaker 4>cannot be. I can be really tough. And as a

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<v Speaker 4>young coach, I'll give you a story as a young coach.

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<v Speaker 4>But then the first year we got married, I got

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<v Speaker 4>my first head coaching job at an elite private school

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<v Speaker 4>here in the DMV and I go to coach there

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<v Speaker 4>and they want to have a national program. I recruit

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of kids I got. I got five international kids.

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<v Speaker 4>I have kids from We were like forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 4>west of the city. I have kids from the city

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<v Speaker 4>driving that far out just go to school. We were

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<v Speaker 4>really good. We were thirty three and one. So three

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<v Speaker 4>the five international kids lived with us. We had we

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<v Speaker 4>hosted them. Me and met Katie and Aisy. There was

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<v Speaker 4>Asy's big first big brothers. That that was it. And

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<v Speaker 4>I was really like so locked in on my craft

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<v Speaker 4>and being a great coach and trying to be I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to be a college head coach, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that was my goal.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I I coached those kids on the court

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<v Speaker 4>in the classroom at home. One kid you know that

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<v Speaker 4>I coached, I mean he was he was Cameroonian, and

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<v Speaker 4>he was like Chidsel with all the stone, didn't lift

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<v Speaker 4>the weight, couldn't lift the weight, but could barely understand

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<v Speaker 4>how the left weights. But he was like chiseled out

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<v Speaker 4>of the stone. He was just naturally like strong, cut

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<v Speaker 4>up and but he was kind of like not super motivated.

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<v Speaker 4>He's lazy sometimes, and so I would I would see

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<v Speaker 4>him lazily walk up the stairs at home, and I'd

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<v Speaker 4>be like, that's it, That's exactly what you look like

0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.560
<v Speaker 4>in the game last night. I was like, I'm doing

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, and to a point where I was

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 4>I was over the top with it. In retrospect, I

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.919
<v Speaker 4>was over the top with it, and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>any better. I was a young coaching, eager, eager beaver.

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<v Speaker 4>She's trying to get it done. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the only players I've ever coached it I've never I've

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.879
<v Speaker 4>never heard from him again, never heard from him again.

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<v Speaker 4>So I didn't want to coach easy because I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>want me coaching her to to bruin our follow dollar relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>That was that was the most important thing for me.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I was reluctant. And so she played for

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<v Speaker 4>someone her first year playing. She was in the first grade.

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<v Speaker 4>It was developmental basketball, but it was driving me crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was coaching in college at the time. I

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<v Speaker 4>was coaching three hours away. I was living away from

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<v Speaker 4>my family. I'd come on my days off, I'd go

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<v Speaker 4>to the gym. I'd go watch her practice, and this

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<v Speaker 4>coach would be the only coach in the gym, and

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<v Speaker 4>she'd stand in the middle of the floor at the

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<v Speaker 4>center of the jump ball circle and she would just

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<v Speaker 4>scream out and struts to the kids. And I was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>these kids are like for first two, third grade. You

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<v Speaker 4>got to demonstrate for them, you know, you got to

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<v Speaker 4>show them. They don't have any She's like calling out

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<v Speaker 4>lines and they don't know where to go, and so

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<v Speaker 4>and I, you know, me and Katie would go and

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<v Speaker 4>we were like, just ask us to help, will help,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we'll just go get a basket. Well, we'll mimic

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<v Speaker 4>whatever you want to do if you need help. And

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<v Speaker 4>she would never choose too arrogant. She never asked for help,

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<v Speaker 4>and knowing that we were coaches, she knew she never

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<v Speaker 4>did that. So I sent her my resume at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the first season. I said, hey, listen, it's

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<v Speaker 4>my resume. I'm I'm interested in coaching the team, would

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 4>you be interested in And she was. She was the

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<v Speaker 4>president of the organization, and so she was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>could coach the B team and you could take easy

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.159
<v Speaker 4>with you. I was like, okay, all right, and now

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<v Speaker 4>mind you A was not good at the time, like

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<v Speaker 4>she was just she was she loved her teammates, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, so that's how you want to

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<v Speaker 4>do it, okay. So someone had already offered me a

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<v Speaker 4>head coach, coach a team while I was coaching in

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<v Speaker 4>college and bringing her with me, and that's what we

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<v Speaker 4>ended up doing. We end up leaving as and Katie

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 4>was coaching in the same organization that we left, and

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 4>so that's how I started coaching her. And so it

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 4>was just out of a need to. I felt like

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 4>she wasn't learning, she wasn't getting enough teaching, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, well, I know I can teach her. Katie

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<v Speaker 4>can teach her. So what kind of coaches or would

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<v Speaker 4>be are we if we allow our kids to go

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<v Speaker 4>through an environment where it's not based on teaching and

0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 4>instruction and development and growth. And so that's how I

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<v Speaker 4>got involved. But I wanted it to be about her,

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<v Speaker 4>not about me, And so I had to check my

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 4>ego at the door and said, you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to like when we leave the gym, when we

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<v Speaker 4>leave the court and we have our little group huddle

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 4>at the end of a game or whatever, we're not

0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.920
<v Speaker 4>rehashing this. We're not like talking about what happened, what

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 4>she should do, should have done, what she didn't do.

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be Dad.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was a physical switch, and it became a

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 4>thing of ours where I would come up to her

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 4>and she's always hungry, always hungry, and we both love

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 4>ice cream, right.

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Although she loves it more than me. Yeah.

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I'd come up to her, I'm like, hey,

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 4>you're hungry, and she yes, Or I'd be like, I

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 4>want to go get somebo ice cream and she'd be

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 4>like yeah. But that was a physical switch from me

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:34.120
<v Speaker 4>being coached to Dad and I'm not gonna I'm not screaming.

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm not we'll not screaming, but just yelling instructions or

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 4>whatever it could be screaming. I said, I want to

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:42.880
<v Speaker 4>go back to Dad, and we're gonna we hold hands

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.160
<v Speaker 4>and walk out the door. That's that was the thing

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 4>for us. That was will work our butts off while

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 4>we're in the gym, when we're on the court, but

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 4>when we leave, we we leave the business here and

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 4>when we come back, we'll pick up where we left off.

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 4>But we're not going to take that home with us.

0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 4>She may tell you different different stuff, but truthfully, very rarely,

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 4>we very rarely had conversations in the car about what

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 4>was going on, And if we did have a conversation,

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.959
<v Speaker 4>it was limited to like three or five minutes, max,

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 4>and we moved on from it. And so that was

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 4>that was my big thing so coach, but coaching her

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 4>was I've coached other pros. You know, Kendall Marshall is

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 4>one that comes to mind, who is one of the

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 4>best players in our area, played in North Carolina, played

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 4>in the NBA for about four or five years. You know,

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 4>unbelievable talent, unbelievable ment, just mental abilities in terms of

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 4>learning and understanding the game. And those two Hey and

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Asy are very similar in that regard. But you know,

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.479
<v Speaker 4>I never got the joy of coaching a kid like

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 4>I got from coaching her. It was it was just

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 4>different and just watching it, It's just it was just different.

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:07.959
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, that's awesome. Is GTS fusion still around?

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Is that something you and Katie still do?

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I forgot to answer that part GTS fusion is. So

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 4>Katie is a basketball trainer by trade, and which I

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 4>used to be with her, but I had to kind

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 4>of take the route of going to the corporate job thing,

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 4>get insurance for the family or whatever. At the two

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 4>thousand and eight things got really crazy. So she trains.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 4>It's called her business is called Game Time Skills GTS,

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.399
<v Speaker 4>and so when we started to eventually two years in,

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 4>we brought Easy's team under under the umbrella of the business,

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 4>and instead of calling the Game Time Skills, we just

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 4>called the GTS, and we just gave it GTS fusion.

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 4>And everything we did, Yeah, I hated pink, but everything

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 4>we did when they started plan was to allow her

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 4>to the foster her, like being her environment, right. So

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 4>our uniforms were pink. We had these pink leopard print

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 4>tiger print shorts and on one side it was really

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 4>like basic, but then you flip the other side with

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:22.360
<v Speaker 4>their reversibles and they were like this wild print uniforms

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 4>and the kids loved it. You know, we were pink.

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 4>You could everybody knew who we were because we went.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.639
<v Speaker 4>We were there, the team was wearing pink.

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 2>The pink.

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 4>We were the only team wearing pink and in a

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, two hundred team tournament. And that's that's kind

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 4>of how GTS came about, is just bringing it under

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 4>the umbrella. We we trained the team, we coached the team.

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 4>It was really holistic because as is such a connector

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 4>in terms of connecting with her teammates. Her teammates were

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 4>at our house all the time, they were having sleepovers

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 4>at their house all the time. It was so her

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 4>teammates became sisters and like extensions of our family. Uh

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 4>to this day, like you know, we have our at

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 4>her draft party, a bunch of those kids were now

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 4>young women were there and it was just great to

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 4>see and and hug them all. And one of them,

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 4>uh to this day. Malou who lives in Dallas, works

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 4>in Dallas, and she she calls me Dad to this day,

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 4>and so she's like, hey, Dad, when you come into Dallas,

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, she'll asked those questions or Dad, I'm coming home.

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna come see you. So it's we created this

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 4>in Foster, this family environment that was built on development,

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 4>holistic development of the obviously the basketball player, but the

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 4>person as well. And I went on. I was coaching

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 4>boys for a long time, but when they got to

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 4>high school, I made a full on switch to girls

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 4>and I went on the coach several of them in

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 4>high school. Uh So it was it's been. It's been

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 4>a quite a journey with her and her connection to

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 4>people and been people become connected to us and part

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 4>of our little group and our crew is you know

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 4>that our crew runs deep.

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>So that's a let me tell you something.

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>It's always a packed house when it comes to the funds.

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 4>Something to be said for that. There's something we said

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 4>for that. I always I was joking with a guy

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 4>yesterday while we were at the program, while Katie was

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 4>training his daughter, and I said, you know, this is

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 4>this is my way into heaven. You know, if I

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 4>leave it up to everything else I've done, I'm gonna

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 4>be like begging and begging on the door trying to

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 4>get in, you know.

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>So it's my way into heaven.

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.719
<v Speaker 4>Please. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So you talked about you know, Asy's draft night and

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>having on her friends and family there.

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I do want to talk a.

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Little bit about that night for you and the family

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and the emotions leading up. I mean, you've been in this,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>your baby girl's life, the entire basketball career, her entire

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>basketball career, and to see her name being called that

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>whole night in general, I do want to hear.

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Like your emotions and how that night went for you, Oh.

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 4>Man, that that was an emotional world when surreal is

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 4>the word that we use all the time, and I

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 4>mean that's the best descriptor.

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>It was just different and very emotional, very emotional.

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 4>So obviously you we had come off the disappointing loss

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 4>in the final four and how we played in the

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 4>Final four in terms of Yukon on that South Carolina game,

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 4>that was very disappointing. And you look at that and

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 4>it's the culmination of her college career and I remember

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 4>that my last moments of my college career. Is like

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 4>a wealth of emotions hit you, a wave just drowns

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 4>you almost right, So, like this is something you've been

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 4>doing all along, all your life, and it's you're changing, right,

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 4>and you don't realize. You know, you love in the environment,

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 4>you know you love doing something, but you don't realize

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 4>what it really means. To you until you're not with

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>it anymore or they take it away from you. And

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, I went on to play after college, but

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 4>it still was not the same. So we're all grieving

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 4>from that process, and you're trust right into this draft process.

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 4>And this year's draft was I would say that it

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 4>was a competitive draft. You don't know what was going

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 4>to happen. And couple that with, you know, the renegotiation

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 4>of the CBA free agency that needed to happen, and

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 4>you have this uncertainty about the draft that I don't

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 4>think has ever existed in the in the history of

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 4>the w You know, you got free agency happening in

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 4>the week of the draft. As we're leading into the

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 4>draft night, free agency is going on and people are

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 4>signing with teams, and teams are evolving and changing rapidly,

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 4>and you don't know how you fit where you fit.

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 4>The one unique thing about Easy is that for me

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 4>from the basketball evaluator and I lived ninety percent of

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 4>the time, I'm a basketball coach. I'm basket I'm living

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 4>the game. I'm talking the game. You know, when we

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 4>talked to I talked to her. I just want to

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 4>talk to the game sometimes and not just be that right.

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 4>So ten percent of the time I'm in dad mode,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 4>and for me, it is an evaluate of talent. Her

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 4>skill set is something that you know, I think a

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of the teams have not. Majority of the teams

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 4>in the w needed it right or had a need

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 4>for her skill set. And so you didn't know. You

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 4>knew she was going to be in that top three

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 4>picks or whatever it was, but you shouldn't know how

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 4>it was going to work out with free agency, and

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 4>so on draft day you know it, you don't. I

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 4>have a very delicate palette. That's a great way of

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 4>putting it that I'm very picky, and so I knew

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 4>that they were not gonna go on sell Light or

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 4>dervs at the UH at the pre draft thing and

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh there, I don't have anything I like.

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>So I went. I was like about three o'clock.

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I got to get something to eat,

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 4>something heavy so that I'm not going to be hungry

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 4>during this whole because I'm not going to be able

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 4>to eat until after the draft, which turned out I

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't eat that eat there either at the draft party,

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 4>and so I wouldn't got a burger right, right, around

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 4>the corner from the hotel by myself, just sitting there

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 4>and I'm there and I'm I'm doing deep dives on

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 4>social media looking at stuff.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, is this is this really real?

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Is this?

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 2>All this other stuff?

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 4>And all of a sudden, as I'm waiting for my burger, Uh,

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm crying like someone like someone died. I was sitting

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 4>there and I'm like just bawling by myself, just just

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 4>wiping tears and just like so it was.

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>It was very emotional.

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not a big crier, and I cry more

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 4>now in my old age than I you know, I

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 4>had a harder stone, but you know, I guess I'm

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 4>softening up as I get older.

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was. It was very emotional for sure.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>That's really beautiful.

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>So Tim on Instagram, you said the WNBA draft after

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>party was a blast, at least from what I can remember.

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So for you, what was the after party with the

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>easiest friends, family and teammates?

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I could give you the first like thirty minutes

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>of that. Uh, what is it like? The party was

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>much you can remember? Yeah?

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Like so, so I had the pre pre draft part

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 4>and for those of you guys who don't have never

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 4>done that stuff. You go to the draft, you're in

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 4>the back room. There's a red carpet stuff or orange

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 4>carpet stuff, and you can watch everybody walk out and

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 4>the kids get interviewed by multitude of reporters. You see

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 4>people you talk in the families. They have Vito dirs,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 4>they have some alcohol. I think had I had a beer.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 4>I was like, no, I'm not a big drinker. And

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 4>so I was like, I might have a beer. It's

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 4>just like, you know, the anxiety I could feel a

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of building, So I'm gonna just like settle my

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 4>nerves or whatever, and that nerves are saying the anxiousness.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Of the whole moment.

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 4>So I had a beer and I was like, let

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 4>me and I thought about the halfway through the beer,

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 4>I said, let me not drink drinks this beer because

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 4>they told us we cannot get up from those tables

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 4>and that we're locked there until basically they release us.

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 4>I said, so let me not drink too much because

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to have to go to the bathroom.

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 4>And so you know, you break that seal, you're done.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.479
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna be running into the bathroom. Left and right.

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>So I had that little beer and it was like

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a Mike Ultra or whatever it was.

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.359
<v Speaker 4>And so then we we leave the after party after

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 4>the I mean the draft, to go to the after party.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Get to the after party, I could not move.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 4>I walked in and literally were I was greeted with

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 4>by people that haven't seen in a long time, months, years,

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 4>and then my former players, our former players, uh, friends, family.

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't even I couldn't make it to the bar.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to get go, get a drink, like I

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 4>don't drink a lot, but I was like, yeah, we're

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 4>celebrating the night, let's go get it. And one of them,

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 4>this is not even one of our players. So one

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 4>of the kids who plays for one of our former

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 4>players at Marymount University here in Arlington, Virginia, her girlfriend.

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 4>They're cool, they work easy as camp. They've become like

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 4>part of the crew, and she was like, can I

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 4>get you a drink? Do you what do you want?

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I just I don't know what I want.

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 4>Get me this and she ran and all night long,

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 4>she says, I told her to do it. I didn't,

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 4>she offered. Every time I looked at her, she was

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 4>coming coming with like sometimes two in our hands. It was.

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 4>It was just I didn't have to do it. I

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't go to the bar once, so mind you, I'm thinking,

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 4>it's gonna be there's gonna be food in this place,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 4>so I get to eat something and that won't be

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 4>as bad. Please there everybody ate the food. Before we

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 4>got there, there was no food for us, and I

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 4>was like, screw it. Usually I'd be complaining, like I'm hungry,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 4>I gotta get something neat. And it was so much

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 4>fun just catching up with people, celebrating with people, uh,

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 4>everybody smiling and telling the stories and reminiscing and enjoying

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 4>the moment. I probably remember the first half hour forty

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 4>five minutes of that party.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>It was amazing. And then I don't remember anything.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 4>I know we went to another spot after the party

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 4>was that the time slot was over for the pop party.

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>We went to some.

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Other hook a lounge. I don't know we, I don't

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 4>know what the heck it was, but I do remember

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 4>this piece vaguely. The ride to this place was the

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 4>bumpiest ride I'd ever been on. And if you got

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 4>have ever, maybe some of you guys and hopefully oh

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 4>guys are old enough to drink your listeners. But if

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 4>you've ever ever been shaking and stirred after drinking, you

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 4>know that's that's not a good thing. It is not

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 4>a good thing. So I got to I got to

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 4>the out of the car. I'm like, okay, all right,

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 4>we're out of the car. We're going right to the bar.

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 4>I ordered two drinks. I got a drink for someone.

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 4>I think it was the young lady who was getting

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 4>me to drinks all night. I got a drink for her,

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 4>got a drink for me, and I just stared at

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 4>that drink, and I can That's when I first felt it.

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 4>It was like, whoa, just slow down, big fella, you good,

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 4>Just like, let let it, let it die, let it

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 4>pass by.

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>It'd be all right, you know, you don't have to

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 2>drink that one right now, right.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>And so I sat there for about five to ten minutes,

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 4>just convincing myself that it's gonna it's gonna pass. It's

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna be all right. You're cool, You're right. And then

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I said, I looked at Katy, I said I'll be back.

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I went out on the street and I was like,

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm about to lose it. So let me go somewhere

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 4>where I'm not around anybody. I would lose it by myself.

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 4>And funny, funny story, I don't know where we were

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 4>when you were part of town where we end, I

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 4>don't I don't even remember.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where that place was. Anyway, it wasn't

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 2>a bad part of town.

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 4>But it was like I was on the street. I'm

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 4>leaning on a street sign, and I'm just trying to

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 4>convince myself just go ahead, it's okay, just.

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:22.919
<v Speaker 2>Let it go. You got it.

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 4>You're by yourself, You're safe. And I'm sitting there and

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 4>my knees a week I'm like buckling at the knees,

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, you know, holding onto the street sign

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 4>and oh man, waiting for all of the wretchedness to

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 4>come out of me right. And all of a sudden,

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 4>I looked behind me and this guy was sizing me up.

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 4>I was like, wait a second, wait a second, Like, no,

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 4>that's the wrong one. I was like, I stiff in

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 4>my back, I stood up straight. I made sure he

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 4>saw the all every bit of the six seven. You

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 4>come over here, it's cause you got six ft seven

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 4>to fight with, come on. But I was he I

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 4>balled me up and down the street, went down one side.

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 4>He went back up there. He checking on me. He

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 4>was waiting for me to fall over because I was.

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 4>I was seconds from being done with it, and I

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 4>held I held onto it. Yeah, definitely, well I did

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 4>forget most of it. I big remember. I remember the ending,

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 4>I remember the beginning. The middle part is real mushy

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 4>in the middle park.

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>So you know, Acy's not the only professional basketball player

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in this family. Katie got drafted into the w n

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>b A, and you also played professional basketball.

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 3>Take us back and tell us a little bit more

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 3>about your basketball beginnings.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, I tell you what. I'll give you a

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 4>little quick one. Basketball. I'm lucky to be able to

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 4>play basketball as long as I did. It was the

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 4>worst sport I played. I was much better at football

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 4>and baseball than I ever was at basketball basketball. I

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 4>think in high school my freshman sophomore year, I was

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 4>the last person picked on the fifteen roster and barely played.

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Like my mom went to all my have a twin sister.

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 4>My mom went to all my my sister's games and

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't come to my games because I never played, and

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:13.879
<v Speaker 4>so it was my sophomore year, probably three quarters away

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>through the season, we got blown out by one of

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 4>our team, the local team, and I got to go

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 4>in the game the last four minutes of the game.

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 4>So you know, you get four minutes of garbage time.

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 4>It's a bad it's a bad loss. It's either a

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 4>bad win or a bad loss. So I go in

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the game, and you know, and coaches are great creatures

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.720
<v Speaker 4>of habit. We get wound into these rotations and playing

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 4>people the same way. We all humans or creatures of habit, right,

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 4>So my coach had done that, and I go in

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 4>the game and four minutes ago, and I scored fourteen

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 4>points or four minutes.

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 2>From that point forward, I started starting.

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh back when I was growing up, you weren't very

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 4>athletic early. You got your athleticism later. And the guys

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 4>who got it early were you often way better than

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 4>everybody else. And I was one of those late bloomers. Uncoordinated, goofy,

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 4>couldn't walk in chew gum. At the same time, on

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 4>the basketball court, it was really I was really goofy.

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 4>But football great hands. I could catch anything that come

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 4>to me. Baseball was pretty good. I had good hanging

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 4>dye coordination with baseball, football basketball didn't have it, and

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 4>so I had a late run in high school. Got

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 4>offered about eight scholarships. Half of those were probably the

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 4>two schools, and then I got one was to American University,

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 4>which is eight miles from my house, and my mom

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 4>liked me and Katie loved to watch us play, and

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 4>so I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 4>school right down the street from my house because my

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.479
<v Speaker 4>mom would be at my games and you know, she'll

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 4>come over, she'll bring me food. I'm thinking of all

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 4>the good things. And that's what I did. And when

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 4>I got that scholarship ball for him, they were honest

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 4>with me. They told me, they said, you're a project,

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 4>but we had one scholarship when we wanted to offer

0:41:58.160 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 4>it to you.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 2>And I said, Okay, I don't know what the heck

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>that means, but I'll take it. And so.

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Just through my work ethic and my ability to compete

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.760
<v Speaker 4>at a high level, I turned that project's last person

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 4>getting a scholarship on a roster to UH starting half

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 4>of my freshman year, if I think it was something

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 4>like that, and then being the third leading scorer of

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 4>my sophomore year to leading the conference and scoring my

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 4>junior year too, and senior year being one of the

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 4>top scorers in the league. I had an injury and

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 4>I played a fifth year. I fractured my kneecap and

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 4>had to have surgery and it was had remove my tendon,

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 4>put it back on and it came back out had

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 4>I had a lot of tending night is coming back.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 4>So I wasn't quite the same the same. I didn't

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 4>run quite the same for about a year and a

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 4>half and it kind of skewed me a little bit

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 4>in terms of potentially doing some other things with basketball.

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 4>So I went overseas, played over there, and I played

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 4>in My first stop was Holland and the Netherlands, and

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 4>I had a terrible experience. Much like easy is today's.

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 4>I was a connector. I connected with my teammates. I

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 4>love being around my teammates. You turn to professional basketball,

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 4>and I taught I had conversations with her about some

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 4>of this stuff, like when you go turn pro, it

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 4>is business and it's a different feel to it. It's

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 4>not pure anymore, and it's not about the camaraderie of

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 4>the team and the team doing it's about you have

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.879
<v Speaker 4>to handle your business or that next contract isn't coming.

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>And I went over and dealt with a lot of

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the selfishness.

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 4>From a professional standpoint from other players on the team,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 4>other Dutch players, and struggled my first year to the

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 4>point where I was averaging like seven points a game

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 4>and they expected us to average twenty and they sent

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 4>me home to send me packing, and I was like,

0:43:59.680 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 4>you know.

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 2>What, screw that stuff.

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 4>I had heard these horror stories, nightmares from some former

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 4>teammates of mine au and guys who came before me,

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 4>who played overseas, like yo, you got to go handle

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 4>your business, make sure you get your numbers, or they're

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 4>gonna send you home, blah blah blah blah. And it

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 4>happened to me in my first year. So I was like,

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm done with this. I'm done. I'm just

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 4>gonna go be normal. I got a regular job. I

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 4>had an accounting job at the Washington Hilton Hotel where

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 4>Reagan was shot right in DC. And I didn't I

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 4>didn't touch the ball for like four months. I didn't

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 4>touch it. I was like, I'm done, you know. I

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 4>was so disappointed by the experience, and one month. One time,

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 4>my teammates and my friends and high school buddies like, yo,

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 4>we're hooping the Nightma, why don't you come play play?

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 4>I was like, man, all right, I'll come play. And

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 4>I went out there, and when I tell you, I

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 4>was terrible. I was terrible, so bad playing pick up

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 4>because I didn't played in four months, out of shape,

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 4>couldn't couldn't shoot, couldn't do anything, and pissed. I was

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 4>pissed at myself. The next day, I was over over

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 4>at AU, I was running sprints, I was working out

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 4>on my own with you know, doing all this other stuff.

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 4>Was I was just just to be good in the

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 4>pickup game. That's all I wanted to do. Like I'm

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 4>not gonna I'm not going out like that. And then

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 4>I got this itch. I didn't like how it ended,

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 4>so I was like, I'm playing again. Called my agent

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 4>told him I was ready to play again, and he's like, uh,

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 4>he got me a deal in Finland, which is kind

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 4>of underrated for the level of basketball there and the

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.919
<v Speaker 4>level of play, but it was it was like high

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 4>level stuff. The games are great. I ended up averaging

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 4>like just under twenty a game. I think that second

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 4>year and in the playoffs I averaged thirty three and

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 4>fifteen and it was like I was I was just yeah,

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.720
<v Speaker 4>I just went. I was on another level, shot forty

0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 4>percent from three. I was just I was feeling the

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 4>best I've ever felt. I mean, the most athletic I

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 4>had felt in my career. Played in Spain, played, I

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 4>ended up playing in like seventeen different countries. Wow, games

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 4>in different seventeen. I've played in Venezuela for a little while.

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 4>They're just a great experience, unbelievable, Like the game of

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 4>basketball is taking me places that I never would have

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 4>gone myself, this little country kid who in the DMV.

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, up to thirteen, I lived in the country.

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 4>I moved to falls Church near the city. When I

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 4>was thirteen years old. My mom got remarried, and I

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 4>would have never had these experiences if it wasn't for

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 4>the game of basketball. The ability to experience other people's

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:47.840
<v Speaker 4>cultures and appreciate other people's cultures and have this outlooked at.

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 4>You know, doesn't matter what we all look like. We're

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 4>not very differ much different from each other. Right, So

0:46:54.440 --> 0:47:00.040
<v Speaker 4>I remember being in Spain. I wrecked my car and

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 4>crazy experience just being dumb, young and dumb and doing

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 4>stupid stuff. And I wrecked my car. And in Spain

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 4>everything is manyana, or the Spanish culture is manyana, train kilo, no.

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>No worries. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Will turn into three months later. My car was still

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 4>in the shop and they had give it back to me.

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 4>So I was walking six miles a day. I would

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 4>walking to my grocery store, picking up my groceries, walking home,

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.799
<v Speaker 4>walking to the gym in the morning to go get

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 4>our workout in, walking back home, taking a siesta because

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 4>siesta is a big thing there. Get the afternoon from

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 4>like two to five it's nap time, and I'd go

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 4>back to the gym for practice. At six in the evening,

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 4>I'd walk back home. So I was walking six miles

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 4>a day. I was like, man, I thought about it.

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.360
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I would never do this. If I

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 4>was at home, I'd get in the car. I'd drive

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 4>around the corner to go to seven to eleven. Right, So,

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 4>just from just embracing the culture and just embentding yourself

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 4>in situations that isn't normal, and just embracing the word,

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 4>just the word of today, right, just kind of diving

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 4>in and like being living like everybody else lives, right.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 4>It taught me so much more about myself, figuring out

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 4>that I didn't need to be around a group of

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 4>people to be okay, figuring out I'm okay being by

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 4>myself and dealing with the loneliness, being homesick, and things

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 4>of that nature. I had to force to find my

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 4>way through all of that stuff to be able to

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 4>do the things I wanted to do, and it was

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 4>it was a time period in my life where I

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 4>grew the most, for sure. But you you also played,

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 4>So what was your experience overseas?

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Like listening to you even when we were talking about

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 1>like getting into basketball late, being a late bloomer, we

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>share a lot of similar experiences.

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Basketball was my least favorite sport.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I played volleyball, I played softball, and I was much

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:55.320
<v Speaker 1>better at those things.

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 3>But then I got to six.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Two and my mom was like, uh ah, sweetheart, we

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 1>go to college for free. There's other things you can

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>be doing, because at the time, there weren't a lot

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of opportunities for like softball after college, or like volleyball

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>after college. Obviously, now there's so many different leagues, but

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>so really started to bloom in basketball, probably like my

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>sophomore year as well, and then fast forward playing Division

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>one at M Corpus Christi in South Texas and also

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:32.279
<v Speaker 1>getting injured tearing my ACL going through the do I

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>still play basketball? This is really hard. A lot of

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>people aren't the same, and the technology in twenty twenty

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 1>six compared to when I was in college is like

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>much much different, so the rehab it just felt like

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 1>everything was just taking a little bit longer.

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 3>But I still had basketball hopes and dreams.

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I knew for a fact that I was going to

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 1>play professional basketball because I told myself that there was

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 1>no other option and so that was my dream and

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.479
<v Speaker 1>I chased it, and that I was able to land

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 1>in Malta, which was like a very small market team,

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, I'm just going to kill here.

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 1>My agent was like, just do really well. You'll be

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>able to go other places. And it definitely was a

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 1>root awakening you get there, like like I believe myself

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to be a connector as well. I love hanging team camaraderie,

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff, but there's really I'm not

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 1>going to say there's none of that, but it is

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.399
<v Speaker 1>very much I'm showing up.

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Doing my job.

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I got to pay my bills doing this job, and

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm out. And a lot of these people are either

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>from Malta, so they had their own lives and their

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>families outside of this.

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 3>So I had to learn how to be by myself.

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I had to learn that the expectation is you are

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the top scorer, top rebounder, top passer, top everything, and

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're not, you're going to get sent home. And

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember actually getting hurt when I was out there,

0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and in the contract it was like if you sit

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 1>out through games, you're gone.

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 3>So having to figure out how to push through.

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>So I don't lose my job, you know, and it

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>really challenges you sometimes.

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 3>With like do I really love this? Is this for me?

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>But I told myself that this is just a temporary

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.799
<v Speaker 1>situation and I did do really well and then I

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 1>had the opportunity to travel to my next team. Right

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I got to play in Germany, Czech Republic, you know,

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I played in Malta, and then the last place I

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>played was Australia, which honestly was the best time.

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 3>It was like night and day in comparison my.

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Experiences one Australia A lot more money to bigger market.

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I was more familiar with the culture, right. Everyone pretty

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 1>much spoke English. It's warm there, it's hot there, and

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 1>just everything. They had a new trip. It was like

0:51:55.120 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 1>high level what you experience at the top colleges overseas,

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and everyone really invested in making the team better and winning.

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 1>So I ended up, you know, playing for a bit

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and I loved it, but I definitely understand like, one,

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you got to get comfortable with being by yourself. Things

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>are different and you can't just run home and family

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:19.399
<v Speaker 1>can't just show up, right, So you have to really

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:23.759
<v Speaker 1>grow up in that moment. Two, it is business one

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. If you're not doing what you're supposed to do,

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get sent home, right Like I got

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.360
<v Speaker 1>hurt and I almost got sent home, but I figured

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it out. So I missed those three games. If we lose,

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.439
<v Speaker 1>it's one hundred percent you're fault. If you win, it's

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a team thing. So just learning, learning how to adjust

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>playing abroad. But I think that experience is something I

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 1>hold with me forever and I'm so happy, no regrets.

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 1>And back then going to the league, I wanted to

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to play in the W when

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I was younger, but at the time, the money that

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the girls were making in the W was less than

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>what the girls were making overseas, and I also thought, like,

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I can go to a normal job and make more

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 1>than what they were making in W. So I'm really

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 1>glad to see that the girls are getting to the

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 1>back now. So it's an opportunity to really be like

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to pick and choose, you.

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Can have it all essentially. But yeah, that's my overseas experience.

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 4>It's funny because I didn't have anybody that could really

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 4>kind of mentor me when I was over there, and

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 4>I got discouraged because all I wanted to do was like,

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 4>go get a tryout with the team. Any care if

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm obviously I cared if I made an NBA team,

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.759
<v Speaker 4>but I wanted to get a tryout because if I

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 4>at least got a tryout, I made significantly more money

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 4>when I went back overseas, And it was just hard

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 4>navigating that my agent. My agent was an international agent,

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 4>only he didn't do anything with the league, so just

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 4>too connections and stuff like that. Even I felt like

0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 4>I had to do everything the hard way, which is

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not complaining whatsoever. It is what it is, and

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 4>you navigate that and you figure it out. But even

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 4>when I got out of coaching and got I got

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 4>got out of plane and got into coaching, all my

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 4>coaches were out of the business at that point in time.

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:13.479
<v Speaker 2>So I had no easy way in, Like I didn't

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 2>get to.

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.360
<v Speaker 4>Go coach my coach as as be a part of

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:19.759
<v Speaker 4>the staff or whatever. I had to prove myself to

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.359
<v Speaker 4>get opportunities to coach at the collegiate level.

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 2>And it is what it is.

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 4>But it was the same thing and over there, the

0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 4>same thing, to prove yourself over and over and over again.

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I remember my agent got mad at me. I was

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:33.359
<v Speaker 2>playing in Spain.

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I averaged like twenty eight and twelve, and and I

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 4>had transitioned from being a five in high school a

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 4>foreign college to playing the two and the three as

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.840
<v Speaker 4>a pro. And I was average in twenty eight and twelve,

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:49.360
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, look, I need to get I

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 4>need to get a little bit more money.

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 2>The next year, and he got mad at me.

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 4>And dropped me from representing representing me because I was

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 4>basically advocating for myself.

0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:59.680
<v Speaker 2>The next year he came back and wanting to go

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 2>to turn game.

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:01.560
<v Speaker 4>By the time, I was like, you know what, I

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.880
<v Speaker 4>just don't like I just don't like how this stuff works.

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Man.

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 4>It's everybody's in it for themselves and it's you can't

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 4>there's no loyalty, absolutely, zer or loyalty, and that's not

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 4>how we operate that as you know, that's our mentality. Yeah, absolutely,

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.879
<v Speaker 4>But they experience and playing over there and having all

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 4>of that stuff happening and learning, growing, developing. I wouldn't

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 4>change it for the world. I mean, if I could

0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 4>go back and do it again, I would definitely.

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Do it again, all right, Tim, So it is our

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 1>time for what the fun of the week for the

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 1>listeners or what the fund of week is?

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Something that happened this week that made you say, what

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:47.759
<v Speaker 3>the fud Do you want to go first? Or do

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:48.720
<v Speaker 3>you want me to go first?

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>You go first?

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 1>So, my what the fun of the week is? My

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>New York next, are in the finals?

0:55:56.360 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 3>Come on? Twenty seven years nineteen ninety nine?

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Was the last time, baby, we are bleeding blue and

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:05.879
<v Speaker 1>orange around here?

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.040
<v Speaker 4>Is that when John Starks went over eighteen or something

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 4>crazy like that?

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, we're not We're not talking about the past.

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 4>That was my Eraine, that was that was I was

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 4>rooting for the next to me went when he went

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 4>over eighteen against the wasn't against the Rockets.

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, let's go next.

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 3>It's a great time to be a New Yorker.

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.680
<v Speaker 4>I like the next Like I like how they play.

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 4>I love watching Jalen bront and play. But just not

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 4>just him because he's super super really super good. It's

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 4>that connection, that that building over connection. Man, those guys

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:49.400
<v Speaker 4>ball well together. Next next, there you go, there you go?

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 4>All right, So my, what the fud of the week?

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 4>What the what the fuck? What the fuck? I don't

0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 4>want to do it, but you know, I gotta do it.

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't have I have nothing else on my mind.

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:02.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.879
<v Speaker 3>Don't do me like this, don't do like this.

0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 4>So what people don't understand is that that kid has

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 4>so much in her that she just holds in the

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:22.840
<v Speaker 4>reserve tank. But when she came to the court hit

0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 4>that transition pull up three, I was like, what the fun?

0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Where has that been? Like I've been waiting for that,

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying that that's my what the

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.960
<v Speaker 4>fun of the week? That transition pull up three. Hopefully

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 4>I can see a little bit more of that. It'd

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 4>be awesome, awesome.

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 3>That's a great what the fun? I'm gonna just say

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 3>this because I know that people want to hear it.

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll have a little asterisk, a little in the air

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:46.479
<v Speaker 1>with the fun of the week.

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I was wearing a Liberty fit.

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 1>At the Dallas Wings Liberty game, and that is the

0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Internet's what the fun of the week?

0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 3>They want to hear y'all got it.

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I've been getting roasted the last week, and I stand

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:04.280
<v Speaker 1>by it, okay, because I still have my asy nails,

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's my girl and I always want her to

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 1>do well. So I wasn't rooting against her, but I'm

0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a New Yorker at heart. Okay, that's it.

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So were you were you like sad that the

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 4>Liberty lost or were you happy that the Wings won?

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 4>Or were you sad that the Liberty lost? Or when

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 4>you're happy that Easy even showed out.

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I was that one.

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I was really happy As showed out, and then I

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 1>was sad that the Liberty loss. But I always want

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<v Speaker 1>As to show out, I said, you know, she asked,

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<v Speaker 1>like we talked about this pregame, but also weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I always want you to have thirty

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<v Speaker 1>forty fifty. I want you to always do well, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want my Liberty to win. So I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>any other team, I'm like, let's get it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Wings is the Wings and the Liberty are my team.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you got to be happy for just what

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<v Speaker 4>you see with from the Wings in general, just like

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<v Speaker 4>young and up and coming and showing some some signs

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<v Speaker 4>of potential growth. You know, still real early, we'll see

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<v Speaker 4>what happens. And it was a stark difference from how

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<v Speaker 4>we played that game at Atlanta and then how we

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<v Speaker 4>played with New York. So you got to find some

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<v Speaker 4>level of consistency in there. Hopefully it's the New York

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<v Speaker 4>side of the game and not that that that last

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<v Speaker 4>five minutes of that Atlanta game where it didn't look

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<v Speaker 4>like we were in the ever in Atlanta game the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way it felt.

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<v Speaker 4>But hopefully, well we'll find some some some common ground

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<v Speaker 4>and some consistency where we're playing well like we did

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<v Speaker 4>on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, I will say the Wings when they're clicking all

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<v Speaker 1>the cylinders, they're passing the water cutting and making moves.

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<v Speaker 1>They are so fun to watch. They are electric. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rooting for a great season for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Likewise, wings up, how do you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Wings you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks?

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<v Speaker 2>However you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Brings up Tim, Thank you so much for joining me today.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been really awesome. Thank you. It's been a

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<v Speaker 3>pleasure having you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Just so you know, this is not my first podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've been on podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, let us know.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've been mentioning on podcasts for y'all. Y'all,

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<v Speaker 4>y'all out there in the audience. Thirteen thirty. That's all

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<v Speaker 4>you need to know. Thirteen thirty go find shout out

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<v Speaker 4>Tim Fu fut around and find out thirteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out Tim Fun.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, you guys, that's it for this episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Peace,