WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Sleater-Kinney 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.519 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.360 What is Up? 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.719 But this is Unpaid Bill from Quest Love Supreme. In 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.960 celebration of Women's History Month, we are highlighting conversations new 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.920 and alal with some legendary women. Back in July twenty 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.040 twenty one, we interviewed one of the most important rock 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.120 bands in the last thirty years, also being credited as 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.119 pioneers in the riot girl movement. I asked Kerry and 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 Karen about having a band without a base player, which 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.000 always blew me away. Listen back as sleeper Kenny talk 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:30.840 about health, creativity and art. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:41.440 Enjoy this episode, Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.000 I don't have the name of my show. Okay, guys, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.520 Free Style Supree Right, matter of fact, let's just let 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:56.440 this be the intro summer of Summer Summer. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.279 this is Questlove and you're listening to another episode of 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:06.959 Quest Love Supreme featuring Unpaid Bill, Tony winner of Freestyle 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.959 Love Supreme. By the way, yes, we have also Fontigoelo 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.440 with us what's up? Brother? What Up? What Up? What up? 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:19.160 What's that? And Sugar Steve Hi. Everybody, Yeah, how you doing? 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.400 This is gonna be a very quiet episode because Lai 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.680 is not with us right now, but she's with us. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.720 A very quiet episode. We're very honored to have our 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:33.920 guest today. Our guest first emerged from Olympia, Washington via 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.200 nineteen ninety four. Well, I would like to say that Northwest, 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.160 because I don't know if it's Portland or Olympia, Washington. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.679 But I will say that I became aware of them 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:48.000 because of everyone knows that, of my fan worship of 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:53.400 music critics, and it's like my my, my music hero. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.560 Robert Christigau, formerly of the of the Village Voice, he 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.280 called them one of the most important rock band in 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.920 the last thirty years, and they've been rightfully credited as 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.600 the pioneers and the riot girl movement. Between their self 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.560 titled debut and ninety four and their seventh album, The 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.280 Wood in two thousand and five, they took a nine 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.840 year hiatus, which I'd never heard of hiatus that long 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:28.320 unless you're from Richmond, Virginia. Returning say sorry, no shame right, 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.560 that's a real hiatus, returning with twenty fourteen No Cities 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.680 to Love following another five year break with these, Saint 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.919 Vincent produced The Center Won't Hold by the way, shout 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.120 out to any band that uses any Chinwana Chevy or 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.600 William Yeats references in their album titles. If the Roots 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.600 were to make Things Fall Apart Part two, I would 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.840 have actually called it The Center Won't Hold. Thankfully, the 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.280 gap between their latest album, which is called The Path Wellness, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:04.040 was only two years. And gentlemen, please welcome to Questlove 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.440 Supreme leader Kenny, Thank you ladies for joining us. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.320 Yes for having us, Thanks for having us. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:12.359 How are you? 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.160 We're good? We're good, Yeah, We're we yeah. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.359 We would Just to answer your question from the intro, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.200 I think it was I think the Northwest is a 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.919 good enough thing to say because Olympia Portland. Yeah, they're 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.880 far apart, but we were kind of living in both 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.760 places at once, so that counts. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.440 You know. What is weird In doing research, I've realized 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.120 I didn't realize how much of the actions of the 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:45.000 Northwest and the creative epicenter of the Northwest really informed 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:50.360 the blueprint of my career, because you know, in choosing 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.760 Geffen as a label, of course, Nirvana was like part 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.960 of that decision making even us having to move to Europe. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.480 Inavertent Kirk is sort of responsible for that. But you know, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.480 we spent a lot of time, like Portland's my all 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.320 time favorite city on Earth, and just the time period 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:15.400 that we spent performing and gigging between the two states 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.880 between like ninety four to ninety nine, well really on, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.279 but there was a period between like ninety four and 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.359 ninety nine in which like we did a lot of 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:29.559 concentrated touring between the two areas and sort of having 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.360 gotten to know like a lot of people that were 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.040 sort of legends on the scene, Like I didn't get 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.240 to know YouTube, but like when I first got there, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.960 sort of like Kathleen was kind of our guide, like 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.000 and you know, we really didn't know about the riot 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.839 Girl movement and anything like that, but she was like 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.000 really an interesting character that sort of like took a 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.400 liking to us and kind of shows us a rope. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.479 And so I didn't realize like how much the north 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:57.239 the Northwest sort of played in our decision. I actually 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.159 wanted to start by asking. So during that period it 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.360 in which like the entire music press was like salivating 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:10.480 almost fetishizing like what's coming, Like what's what's the magic 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.240 in the Northwest or whatnot? Like how did how does 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.159 that play into how you can even find a space 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.560 to be creative and in forming a band and getting 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.480 space when like every critic is looking for the next 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.120 like who's coming out in sub pop or these labels? 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.719 Like what was it like then? 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.360 Yeah, yeah, no, I think it was. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.279 I think it was pretty overwhelming, like at the time, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:42.240 because there was such high level journalists who would like 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.360 come to a Riot Girl meeting or show up at 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.440 a Riot Girl show. And you know, we were we 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.640 were kids at the time, Like we were writing this 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.120 like confessional poetry and this, you know, this work that 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:03.040 was like very personal and I don't think we realized 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:09.240 how intense that spotlight was, but when we did, I 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.360 think it was, you know, it felt like it was 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.039 almost radioactive at times. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.160 Yeah, and we actually left, like when Slater Kinney formed, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.400 which was yeah, like nineteen ninety four. We were still 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.880 in other bands, but we wanted we started playing music together, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.400 and you know, Olympia and that scene was so insular, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.200 and I mean, you know, when you're coming out of 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.960 a small scene, there's it's like a blessing and a curse. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.320 You have all this support, there's community, but then there's 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.599 also this way where you feel like everyone already knows you, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.600 everyone already kind of has these expectations of you, and 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.320 you can't necessarily step out of that or redefine who 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.200 you want to be. And so we actually went all 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.880 the way to Australia, like we actually created space and 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.920 distance in order to be able to imagine ourselves as 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.320 something else, imagine ourselves outside. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.880 The glare of some of that, you know, journalistic scrutiny. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:01.919 And I think you have to do that. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.159 You either, if you don't have the ability to physically leave, 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.120 you have to create an imagined space for yourself. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.840 I was wondering if that was a typo because I 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.240 was like, wait a minute, Melbourne, Australia to create your 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.520 first record, Like how does that happen? But I also 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:21.200 I also wanted to know because it's weird because I 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.200 fell into you guys. Kind of ask backwards and I'll 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.760 be fully transparent. It's like I know everything about you guys, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.840 and I know nothing about you guys, only because it's 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.880 kind of weird to say that fell and ask backwards 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.160 because usually when a guest comes on the show, like 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.120 I know everything about them but their DNA. And so 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.120 in my particular case, like if people come up to 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.480 me in the airport, they you know, refer to me 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.800 as like, oh, that's Jimmy Fallon's drummer, or like, oh, 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.200 you're the guy on your Gaba gabba, And you know, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.200 sometimes my ego, like it doesn't hurt now, but like 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.720 in the beginning, like my ego would get like really 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.440 deflated and I would just you know, I feel like 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.560 that was sort of like asking Michael Jordan if he's 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.160 the guy Haines commercial. So I would say that you 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.600 were always a name that was I was fully aware 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.200 of up until the creation of Portlandia. Like I only 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.240 knew and studied this s leader model simply because like 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.040 your names were always constantly on the top of every 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.800 like of critics I worship, and like your metacritic numbers 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.680 were super high, you know, Krista Galas putting you on 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.560 the top of the pass and job stuff, and like 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.840 again like I'm gonna critic obsessive, like putting these shits 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.360 on my wall, studying these things, figuring out the metrics 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.680 and all that stuff, and you know, but it took 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:40.120 reading your Hunger book Carrier for me to really like, 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.440 all right, I'm gonna dive into this and actually like 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.160 I'm gonna immerse myself and understand their art. And the 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.200 thing was because I fell into you first with humor, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.040 and then I went back to the self title I 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:57.160 was in ninety five, I was like, oh wait a minute, huh. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.559 I was like YO said, I wasn't ready. But then 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.520 I really that you guys have have really like I 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.439 feel like we almost took a similar journey in terms 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.559 of you know, where you started the internet meme, how 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.080 it started, where it's and where where you are now. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.679 It's it's been quite a journey. How are you? How 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.640 are you as far as the position of where you're 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:27.040 perceived as like this really influential group that is influential 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.040 to other musicians but like not mainstream. Like how does 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:30.520 that feel? 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.040 You know? I think like you're saying you've like been 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.840 through a journey, and I feel like I feel like 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.120 with you know, with getting older and with kind of 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:48.440 having that realization the music is a journey, you know, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.560 and that art is a journey, and humor and all 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.760 of it can be part of it. I think that 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.840 I feel really grateful of where we're at in a 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:04.240 way because it's true we might have like less commercial 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.240 success and a lot of other like bands that we've 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.920 sort of come up with, but we have a lot 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:15.480 of like artistic freedom, you know that I feel like 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.560 we are still on this journey that is like we're 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.400 building on it, like with producing our last, our most 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:26.240 recent record ourselves and trying out different things and hiring 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.400 this whole new band of musicians. Like I'm I feel 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.240 really lucky in that way of like I feel very 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.960 much like we are on this journey of like learning 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.559 and becoming more you know, able to make art and 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:39.240 make music. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.440 I was going to ask why it took so long 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:47.320 for you guys to finally produce your records and what 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.720 took so long to come to this place where you 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.679 know what is in your head and what you want 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.800 to execute Or is it just important sometimes to have 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.839 a fresh set of ears that can sort of, you know, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.040 is not afraid to challenge you or make you find, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.800 you know, an alternative way to get your ideas out. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.600 Yeah, I think it's been nice to have an arbiter 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.520 and you know, I mean, you know, from being in 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.760 a band, it's different than being a solo artist, so 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.240 you're already contending with multiple personalities and sometimes you need 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.079 that peacekeeper and so that you're not sort of turning 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.679 on each other with ideas. You know, someone that can 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.040 just step in and be like how about this, and 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.600 you know, and then it almost gives you as a 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.000 group something to like cohere around you're like, well, actually 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.760 we think you know it just it forms these like 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.400 in group dynamics. So I think we've always relied on 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.080 I mean, I would say our early records were for 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.720 all intents and purposes co produced by us, you know, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.400 as you know, aside from like Dave Fridman on The 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.880 Woods or The Sky, Roger Mutino on the Hot Rock. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.680 It was very hands off approach from our producers. You know, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.360 they often wanted to just kind of capture the essence, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.120 but it was just nice to have another voice there, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:58.720 I guess. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.480 So yeah, that's why since. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.160 The constant presence on you know, a majority of your 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:10.120 records was so John Goodmanson, who you know I'm familiar 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.559 with well, with his Wu Tang credit. I mean, he's 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.120 worked with The Risk a few times. Yep, done a 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.760 whole bunch of other albums. I always wanted to know, like, 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.560 was it a thing where if you felt that you 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.520 could express an idea to your bandmates that you'd sort 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.400 of expressed it to him and then he could sort 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.000 of translate it better so that feelings weren't rattled or whatnot. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.800 Or I don't feel like we ever circumvented each other. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.360 I think it was just having a sounding board and 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.840 we trusted him. Like you said, like he's worked with 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.120 really a broad range of artists. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:42.720 He's great. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.319 You know, we never traditionally had a bass player, so 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.480 he's great with drums, he's great with low end like 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.800 he's Yeah, it was I think it was almost like 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:56.160 he was part cheerleader, part kind of deciding vote. But 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.440 we never like said, hey, John, can you tell Korin 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.480 that I'd rather do this? 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.360 So you're not the roots? Okay, I get it, I 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:08.440 get it. Okay. Usually I start the show off. I'm 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.720 very interested in the journey that gets you there. This's 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.720 the first time I'm really talking to Corinth, so I'll 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.679 ask you what I mainly ask our guest on the show. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.640 Can you tell me your first musical memory? Oh my god, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:26.920 did I say it like Nard War? I love it. Yeah, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.839 I know these guys are like you never talk like this, Meir, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.320 what are you doing okay? 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:33.360 Yeah. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:39.280 I So my dad is like a hobby musician and 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.080 he did like folk music in the sixties. He actually 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.600 opened a gig for like Pete Seeger once was like 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.360 his claimed to fame and he went on and you know, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.400 and and and eventually became like a college professor. But 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.680 he would when I was born, he would like play music. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.079 And my first memory is like singing with him. So 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.320 he would, you know, teach me what he guthrie folks 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:08.080 songs and you know, all kind of like seventies stuff. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:09.520 So that's my first memory. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:10.720 Where were you born? 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:12.880 I was actually born. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.319 In Pennsylvania at State College when my dad was getting 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:17.240 his PhD. There. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:24.080 Oh you're from Pa. Yeah, okay, so am I okay? Cool? Uh? 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.280 Can you tell me the first album that you purchased, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.880 Oh my god, which is different from like an album 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.680 in your house that's already there, Like the first album 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.040 that you purchased with your own money put your moment on, yeah, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.520 or stole in this group, you could have stolen it. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.359 There was like this, uh, this album with Pat Benattar 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.800 where she's wearing a straight jacket. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.560 The second album not that you did in the night. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.400 The second the one within Me with your best shotow 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:54.520 on it. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the big album. Yeah, I was like 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:02.400 I this for whatever reason, I was like I need this, Okay, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.920 I put down hard money for that album, We'll See. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.680 Your north Star. When you were growing up, like what 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.640 what voices did you gravitate towards? 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.120 Definitely Pat Benatar, you know, like this is a big, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:19.520 very muscular, you know, intense voice. Great singer for sure. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:25.200 And yeah, I mean I love Dolly Parton. I loved 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.560 Aretha Franklin, you know, like the big voice with a 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:34.200 big like range was always like so influential. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.520 I think, all right, carry I'll go to you. Could 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.800 you tell us what your first musical memory was? 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:45.080 Yeah, I think mine is probably a little less cool 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.360 than Coorn. Sorry, I have this young dog. It's like 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:52.200 suddenly decided this was this is his witching hour. And 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:58.960 my parents did not have great taste in music. They 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:03.040 always liked the albums like there's the Eagles, who I'm 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.360 not a big fan of. But my dad also had 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:13.120 all their solo albums too. Okay, all right, definitely it 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.960 was my parents had a party, like not a party, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.440 but like a hangout, and they were they had the 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.320 Long Run by the Eagles on and I needed to 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.880 go No, no, I like the Eagles, I like this, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.360 I like that album. But I'm just saying like, so 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.200 I was I needed to go to bed. My parents 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:30.280 were like, time for you to go to bed, and 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.280 I was like, I would first like to perform Life 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:39.200 in the Fast Lane for you all, and which is 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.920 a song about like driving on the highway, like coke 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.320 down of your head, and. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:47.320 So it does. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:48.560 And I didn't know it was about that. I just 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.520 thought it was about it was a cool song about driving. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.360 So I just sang along to the song and my 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.640 parents and their friends just humored me, and then I 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.240 went to bed. That's the first thing I remember musically. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.080 That's your first musical memory. Can you tell me the 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.680 first album that you purchased with your own money? 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.359 Yes, it was Thriller Michael Jackson. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.480 Yes, I mean, you know, it was the biggest album 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.679 in the world and everyone had to have it, and 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.320 I listened to it a million times. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:15.040 I see. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.159 That was the first album I ever owned, too. That 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.719 was the first my own personal album that I own myself. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.920 See to make you feel better, Carrie, Although I would 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.040 love to say something really cool I've already been outed 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.880 in the press. The world knows that, Like Neil Sadako 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.080 was the first forty five. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.600 So I got you within the rain of jam though, yeah, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.120 but mine was more bad blood, like it's. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.960 Sorry, yeah, you know, so you know, I'm not that cool. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.840 We need either, Carrie, so you're cool. At what point 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.199 for the both of you, are you realizing that you 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:02.119 have a voice or that a music is something that 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.439 you're interested in pursuing, not just something that casually that 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.760 just happens, you know, in your household. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.520 I think for me, I I moved to Olympia to 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:14.560 go to college. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.280 I went to like, you know, the Evergreen State College 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:18.120 when all of. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:23.600 The stuff was happening, and I have to credit Bikini 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.840 Kill and Brat Mobile playing a show, and I was 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.320 just I just got to be like right up close, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.080 like right there when they were doing their thing, and 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.520 I was like, I want to do that. I'm going 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.480 to start a band, and I in my head I 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.800 started a band Like that night. I was just like 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.720 I'm in I'm doing it too, okay, you know, because 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.280 I saw. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:46.720 Them do it. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.119 They were my age and they were they were just 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.760 starting out, and so it just like opened the door. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.359 He explained to me the whole idea of what Rygirl represents. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.760 And is that a title that was invented by the 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.440 proprietors or again, was it some guy from Spin magazine 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.080 sort of searching for the next big thing and then said, okay, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.479 this is right girl with a bunch of rs in it. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:14.879 No, it was. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.000 It was actually like a genuine movement, you know. It 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:24.000 was the title was you know, started by a young 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.320 woman in DC who was like, we need to start 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:33.200 an actual movement for women in the independent music scene 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.240 that that highlights women's roles and supports women and talks 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.840 about safe spaces for women. And there were meetings. You 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:43.520 could go to a meeting you could talk about all 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.399 these things. You could talk about, you know, being in 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.400 a bad relationship, sexual assault, like all of the kind 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:50.840 of like. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:52.800 Taboo stuff at the time. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.439 At that time, at the time, there just wasn't another 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.720 space for that stuff to come out and happen. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.240 So it was it was very real. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.080 It was very. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.240 Taboo at the time. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.520 And you know, Kathleen Hannah was she was, you know, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.439 very much like a cultural leader, right, she was. She 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.520 was like our poet because she was writing and the 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.399 stuff that she was incredible poet, incredible. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.800 Writer and performer, you know, and very confrontational. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:26.480 But she was saying all the stuff that we were 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.919 all like so afraid to say ourselves. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.520 Okay, So the first time I met Kathleen Hannah, I 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.600 didn't know I was mean, Like I didn't know anything 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.040 about rygir whatever. Like the Roots are just doing a 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:46.399 show somewhere up in Seattle. I forget the spot in 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.439 Seattle that we were playing. I know it was across 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.200 the sheet from the spot where they throw a fish. 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.280 Oh yeah, the showbox. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.480 Yeah, we were at the showbox. Yeah, I'll say that. Yeah, 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.560 I met. Matter of fact, the first three times I've 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.560 met or seeing Kathleen, she was like cursing someone out, 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:09.160 Like it was always like, yeah, and my manager, Rich 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.520 was they those two were like really good friends. So 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.040 he's sort of my manager who passed away. Him and 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:20.840 her really became good friends. And you know, he just liked, 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.200 that makes all the sense. 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.400 Oh my god, you see it down here and you describe, 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.119 Oh my god, that makes yeah, Oh that's how I 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:26.440 know this. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.640 Shit, Like my shit is all trickle down economics from 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.760 Rich and him, him and Kathleen were like talking whatever, 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.600 Like I mean, but she was just I've never seen 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.440 that person, so just wild and unhinged and just told 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.320 what the fuck she felt and all that. Like I 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.639 was just like, yoh, this is unheard of whatever. So 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.960 that that was like my introduction to her. She was 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.000 cool and very nice to us, but like in a second, 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.960 she will she'll bring the ruckus and I've just never 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.200 seen that shit, so you know, and I don't really 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.359 be like, oh intense or whatever, but that's what it 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.280 was like for me meeting her. So could you tell 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.720 me what the environment was, at least at the time 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:09.800 in the Northwest that really prompted this movement to really 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:11.679 find its legs. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.359 Yeah, I mean, the you know, the Northwest was this 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:19.199