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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, January eighth. And yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. A possible explanation

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Speaker 2: President Trump officially responds to Diddy's request to be pardoned.

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Speaker 2: And also there's a lot of breaking news right now,

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Speaker 2: breaking real time out of Portland, involving a shooting with

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Speaker 2: federal agents. And again, this is night two that we're

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Speaker 2: coming on the air with breaking news happening within our country.

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Speaker 2: We acknowledge that there is so much unrest right now

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Speaker 2: Stephanieleidecker and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong and Body move in.

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Speaker 2: Sam is off tonight in the control room. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this what seems to be a nutty Thursday. So I

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Speaker 2: think we should all reach deep and try to find

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Speaker 2: with you and we ease into this Thursday evening broadcast. So, Boddy,

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Speaker 2: I know this is a tough one. So let's start

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Speaker 2: in Portland.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, this just happened today.

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Speaker 4: Overall, though between January seventh and January eighth of this year,

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Speaker 4: you know, just a couple of days ago, two separate

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Speaker 4: incidences involving US federal immigration agents escalated into shootings, you know,

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Speaker 4: of course, one in Minneapolis and today in Portland, and

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Speaker 4: you know it's sparking sharp political backlash and protest. There's

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Speaker 4: protest in every major city I feel right now. But

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Speaker 4: what happened today Two people were shot and injured. The

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Speaker 4: US Customs and Border Protection agents shot two people, a

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Speaker 4: man and a woman in southeast Portland, who were then

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Speaker 4: remain unclear. Portland police did confirm local officers were not

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Speaker 4: involved in the shooting and that the FBI is leading

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Speaker 4: the ongoing investigation. Local elected officials, including Portland's mayor and

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Speaker 4: Oregon's US senators, are strongly criticizing the use of force,

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Speaker 4: and urged Immigration and Customs enforcement, you know we call

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Speaker 4: them ICE to suspend operations in the city pending review.

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Speaker 4: The Department of Homeland Security says that the two people

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Speaker 4: shot by Border patrol agents in Portland today are affiliated

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Speaker 4: with the vicious Venezuelan gang Tren de Aruagua. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how to say it, but you know we've heard

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Speaker 4: this before, right, Everyone's a Venezuelan gang. So this is

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Speaker 4: what they said. This is from the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 4: At two nineteen pm, US Border Patrol agents were conducting

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Speaker 4: a targeted vehicle stop in Portland, Oregon. The passenger of

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Speaker 4: believed to be a member of the Vicious Venezuelan gang,

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Speaker 4: and when agents identified themselves to the vehicle occupants, the

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Speaker 4: enforcement agents. Department spokesman Tricia McLaughlin said today in an

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Speaker 4: email to The Guardian, which is like a news outlet,

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Speaker 4: fearing for his life in safety, an agent fired a

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Speaker 4: So we don't know the condition. We don't know. There

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Speaker 4: We don't really know what happened, you know. Of course

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Speaker 4: The driver used her vehicle as a weapon, and that's

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Speaker 4: ar I'm sorry. In Minneapolis, there was a fatal ice

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Speaker 5: Sorry, now, this is a very very hard stuff for

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Speaker 6: My throat, so sorry, no, no, don't.

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Speaker 4: Federal essicials claim Good attempted to use her vehicle as

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Speaker 4: eyewitness accounts and bystander video appear to contradict that narrative,

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Speaker 4: The incident occurred near the site of George Floyd's twenty

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Speaker 4: Governor Tim Waltz forcefully condemned the shooting, with fre A

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Speaker 4: defense explanation as inaccurate. So we're getting the same vibe, right,

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Speaker 4: would we agree this is kind of like the same

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Speaker 4: they were using their weapon, their vehicle's a weapon, and

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Speaker 4: you know, in Portland we're being told this was a

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Speaker 4: don't know what's true, but that's what's being reported right now.

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Speaker 2: At a bare minimum, I think we can all agree

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Speaker 2: it's becoming a very aggressive time. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: all sides of all of it, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: flip to one channel and it's them them, then and

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Speaker 2: it's them them them, And it just seems like we're

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't have anything of compromise. There's nothing in

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Speaker 2: we're all better than this. I know, we all know better,

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Speaker 2: so I don't have the answers. But having seen all

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Speaker 4: I just can't get over the phone to graphs from

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Speaker 2: I told you not to look at them.

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Speaker 4: Well I did this morning. I didn't do it last night.

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Speaker 3: Were kids?

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Speaker 2: No, and she has three children. And again a divisive topic.

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Speaker 2: You know, my opinion matters for very little right now,

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Speaker 2: any longer. And I have to assume, just giving grace

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Speaker 2: how do we do better here? Where do we de

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Speaker 2: escalate and where do we be hind that has to

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Speaker 2: be the goal. It seems like the goal right now

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Speaker 2: is to escalate, and that can't be the case. Nothing

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Speaker 2: good comes of that. We know this, Calm minds prevail.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a solution, please join us. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: And I think you're exactly right that de escalation in

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Speaker 5: this moment and trying not to other others to your point, Stephanie,

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Speaker 5: of watching all different lenses of the same story, because

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Speaker 5: in life there always are different perspectives, and just to

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Speaker 5: I've been I've been reading doctor Martin Luther King quotes

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Speaker 2: The stuffed animals and the senseless loss of.

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Speaker 5: Her life and her wife and her wife it's terrible sad.

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Speaker 5: And then Stephanie, to your point, there is not a

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Speaker 5: universe where those ice agents likely woke up that morning

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Speaker 2: So have you know to tire though? You know, so listen,

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Speaker 2: it's not lose the plot here too, I have a

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Speaker 2: very different opinion. We should not lose the plot. This

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Speaker 2: is meant to make us crazy and make us feel angry,

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Speaker 2: and frankly, it's working.

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Speaker 4: I feel that a lot of these ice guys are psychopaths.

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Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

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Speaker 2: Forty seven days of training they get save days of training.

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Speaker 2: I think they're on a power trip. I think that

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Speaker 2: they're likely losers in real life. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: they care either. That's just my opinion. And what a

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Speaker 2: nah you know, it's it's like, it's scary. Even the

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Speaker 2: people being deployed to go check out a crime, and

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Speaker 2: likely a very serious one happening in kindergartens. How does

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Speaker 2: that equal murder? So it's it's compredato.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Like I I was really like I

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go into details or whatever.

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Speaker 4: My own family's dealing with ice, and it just so

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Speaker 4: And you know, he's not a member of a vicious

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Speaker 2: It was not good.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm just.

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Speaker 4: This is personal for me, and I'm very upset, very upset,

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Speaker 4: and I'm upset that federal agents can just kill American

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Speaker 3: I just don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I think I feel like I'm a frog in a

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Speaker 4: around like, okay, well, what's next.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: It does feel like the waiting for what's next, which

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Speaker 2: About not seeing ida eye, I mean not seeing Ida I.

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Speaker 2: We're not even close. We're not even though we are

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Speaker 2: so not close. And again I can't say it loud enough.

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Speaker 2: I think it is a sampling on all sides that

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so new information continues to come out. This story

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Speaker 5: What we've learned is that just eleven days before, thirty

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Speaker 5: again the victims, Spencer and Monique Tepe, they were found

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Speaker 5: Police were very concerned about the Tepees because Spencer, the dentist,

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Speaker 5: So regarding that nine on one call eleven days before

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Speaker 5: So people are just gathering information. That's really all pretty

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Speaker 2: Because if you've seen those houses, you know, again we

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Speaker 5: And even the time that had occurred to thirty in

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Speaker 2: Do you think if you're that neighbor, you're thinking they

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Speaker 2: I would, Oh my goodness, yes, what are horrified?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I'd be freaking out of somebody

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Speaker 4: what I would have done too. Yes, you know, somebody

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Speaker 4: Could have been somebody coming home and drunk thought it

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Speaker 5: That's the smarter thing to do. Because I was in

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Speaker 2: I was getting my mail by the door. I opened it.

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 2: He came in and then one second later a man.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: See, I don't pass these people to use children to

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Speaker 2: I don't open your door, is the answer. But Colin

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Speaker 4: I would answer in the middle of the day like

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Speaker 2: You're kind, But it's that's what they're praying on a

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Speaker 2: help me, help me, I hope where no one's ever

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Speaker 4: Another thing they're doing is using women and saying my

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Speaker 4: watch or you know it says it's in your house,

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that is good.

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Speaker 4: People are using their find my device and they're saying, my, my,

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Speaker 2: I duck under the window when the ups man comes,

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Speaker 2: was like, I am not playing around, Like you are

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Speaker 2: There is no surprise popeyes allowed. You know, just the

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Speaker 5: what I just described, happened to me again many years ago.

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Speaker 2: You've lived through so many traumatic moments in the house.

436
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Didn't Wade have to save your life once he did?

437
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: His experience in the courtyard, he did. The courtyard was

438
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 5: many years ago. I was about twenty three years old.

439
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 5: And then actually the two am when you know the

440
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 5: guy came into the house body was exactly what you

441
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: said was it was just a drunk excuse me, a

442
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 5: college kid on bath salt in that instance, but it

443
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 5: was it was that his intention was just to go home.

444
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 5: It just turned very wrong anyway, scary No, to.

445
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: My father when he rests in peace. He used to

446
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: pick up hitchhikers.

447
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 6: Oh, I can't imagine that.

448
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: My mom with me in the car, with me in

449
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: a car, in a car on the way home, we

450
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: would pick up a hitchhiker. Think about how the times

451
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: have changed, right, And he was the kindest, sweetest, most

452
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: loving man. So that just speaks to the character he

453
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: had and also the times we don't live in anymore.

454
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: You're not able to do that anymore, unfortunately. So as

455
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: much as you want to help, it's like, what's the

456
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: happy middle ring? Cameras I think are a big help.

457
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: No, for sure, one hundred getting some sort of doorbell cam,

458
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 4: whether it's Ring or you know, any other company, Nest whatever,

459
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: you know, whatever you can get to not have to

460
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 4: answer the door.

461
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: And they're pretty very easy to use too. As somebody

462
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: who's like a dumb dumb with all things, the ring

463
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: cameras can't mess it up, you don't all. And they're

464
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: pretty inexpensive, yeah they are.

465
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: And you don't even really need to hook it up

466
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: to your doorbell because that, you know, that's kind of scary,

467
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: like electricity and whatnot. These are these things run on

468
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: batteries too, where you can have one like mine where

469
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: you can undo it and charge it in your house

470
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: and then put it back out.

471
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're easy to install.

472
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: I mean. Also a great little tip too, a little sticker,

473
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: a sticker that says you're being monitored security system as

474
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: whether you are or aren't is a little distractor as well.

475
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: But wearing a dog, Oh beware of the dog. That's

476
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: a great one.

477
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: That's that's on my door, my doormat.

478
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a ring camera incident, isn't the right word.

479
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: I was actually the culprit in this, but I was

480
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 5: picking something up from a neighbor's house that was on

481
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 5: their porch, and so I'm on the poor looking and

482
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 5: looking and then I heard someone from the ring say hello.

483
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 5: It turns out I was absolutely at the wrong house.

484
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: It looked like because and I was physically going through

485
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 5: their packages.

486
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I promise you. I put my hands up.

487
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: I backed up.

488
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 5: I explained the situation. I was literally going to pick

489
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 5: up party napkins that I.

490
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: Needed that they had, but.

491
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 5: The ring camera they saw a very suspicious woman absolutely

492
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 5: creeping around and alerted and I.

493
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, it's effective in real time.

494
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: It is very effective.

495
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 6: About other issues in your neighborhood, Like it gives you

496
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 6: alerts about like anything weird badly in Los Angeles, they've

497
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 6: been like they're like coyotes running around and right, you know,

498
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 6: a missing dog or so. So they're really helpful.

499
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: And so very helpful, and they're not that expensive. I mean,

500
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: they're definitely worth it, and you know, especially if you're

501
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: if you live alone, well it doesn't even really matter.

502
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: You should have one for to protect your family. My opinion,

503
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: they're greating. I love them. So, Courtney, you were saying

504
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 4: that there was something else about the welfare check.

505
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 5: There absolutely was, so there again was a welfare check

506
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: in the Spencer and Monique Teppe case, and again friends

507
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: were very concerned. And it turns out that the officer

508
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 5: who was sent for the wellness check ended up at

509
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: the wrong location.

510
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: So they did a welfare check at the wrong the.

511
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Wrong home entire kidding me, yeah, that's right.

512
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: So and and then his information that is just unfolding,

513
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: and the officer went to the wrong home and as

514
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: it was related to the check, he spent about ten minutes,

515
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 5: you know, looking around the house, knocking on the door,

516
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 5: going to the backyard, doing all the things you do

517
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 5: in an effort to try and reach out to the

518
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: family who they had been in there. And then it

519
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 5: was when another call came, which were reported on the

520
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 5: other night. Multiple people called about these tepees. They were

521
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: very loved, and you know, forty minutes later is when

522
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 5: the right house was found and it was learned that

523
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: they were indeed.

524
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: Did cease and according to the timeline, that welfare check

525
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: that was at the wrong house would not have changed

526
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: the outcome. Just to cool down the enraged feeling that

527
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: to remind everybody like that wouldn't have changed the ending on.

528
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: But still that's terrible.

529
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 4: The only thing it would have done is maybe get

530
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: the kids out quicker.

531
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. You know. Listen, there was a

532
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: lot of chatter online today about Wow, like the guy

533
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: didn't the dentist dad, he didn't call. You know, he

534
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: was missing for like an hour and a half. Who

535
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: calls nine to one one after, you know, somebody calls

536
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: out from work for an hour and a half. But

537
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: that's how reliable he.

538
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: Was, especially if his patient and the way liable.

539
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their statistics to suggest that dentists specifically are

540
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: extremely timely and reliable. Really, and I just think it's

541
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: a real tell that they were so loved that even

542
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: after ninety minutes, they just they knew something was wrong,

543
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: and multiple people knew something was wrong.

544
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: It's very interesting. Yeah, and yeah, it does. I think

545
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: it does just speak to how punctual certainly Spencer was is.

546
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, the welfare check would have I mean, it's it's

547
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: unfortunate that they went to the wrong house, but they wouldn't.

548
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have prevented anything, because you know, the police did.

549
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: It was only forty forty minutes in between the welfare

550
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: check and when they actually arrived at the same house,

551
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: and in between that time and that the forty minutes,

552
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: two different sets of friends showed up at the house

553
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: to find out what was going on, and then they

554
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: kept they just kept calling. Not that you know, the

555
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: nine one one calls have been released, and you know,

556
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: listening to them and whatnot, you can hear how concerned

557
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: their friends were and their coworkers were. It was a

558
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: big deal that they were missing.

559
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, so listen, this is Nick Reiner case. Everybody

560
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: is talking about it NonStop, so we definitely want to

561
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: cover it because there have been some new developments. In fact,

562
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: we have a talkback right now.

563
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 7: Hi, Gurly, This is Ava in La. Was just listening

564
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 7: to last night's discussion about Nick Reyner and Alan Jackson.

565
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 7: I saw on the internet allegedly allegedly that the thought

566
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 7: is someone else put Jackson on retainer. Someone put him

567
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 7: on retainer, maybe someone outside the family, and they didn't

568
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 7: like the way he was doing things, like he leaked

569
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 7: stuff about Conan and the party, and they did not

570
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 7: like how it went, so that's why they dropped him.

571
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: I saw that.

572
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: Too, I did well.

573
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 2: I saw that too, and I think it was juicy.

574
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: That's great, juicy you hit bit by the way, and

575
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: I think it kind of tracks that actually makes a

576
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: lot of sense, because I don't believe in my heart

577
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: of hearts that if you're co and O'Brien or anyone

578
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: at that party, including you know, the comedian Bill Bill Hayter.

579
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Bill Hayter who had a tragic breakup with his girlfriend, Yeah,

580
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: I know, I was sad to.

581
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: See that they seemed so sweet together.

582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: They did genuinely said about it, so you know, and again,

583
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: this must affect him quite a bit as well any

584
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: of the any of the partygoers I'm sure were affected.

585
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: But I feel like that becomes a pretty tight lipped

586
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: thing pretty quick. It does.

587
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: But you know, I so I thought it was uicy too,

588
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: so did a little bit of research. And you know,

589
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: Alan Jackson, the first mention of him being the lawyer

590
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: happened on the sixteenth or seventeenth, sixteenth, sixteenth, yep. And

591
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: the I think it was TMZ in the New York

592
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: Times had the Conan O'Brien stuff on the fifteenth, so

593
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: it was it. But here's the thing. That doesn't mean

594
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: that Alan Jackson wasn't his lawyer on that day to

595
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: just maybe he hadn't announced yet, you know, but yeah,

596
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that. There wasn't any proof of it.

597
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't any truth.

598
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: But if we listened to what we learned last night

599
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: from Jarrett Farantino, if you want to start laying a

600
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: case of insanity, which we know is a very high

601
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: bar to meet, wouldn't you want there to be some incident?

602
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: He was acting really odd. He was asking people if

603
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: they were famous and what their names were and whatever

604
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: the shenanigans were at that event. You kind of want

605
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: that to leak out, you do if you're playing hardball,

606
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: as you know, potentially a defense attorney to lay the

607
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: plot of it. Of course, well, getting everyone's getting sick,

608
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: I am not. I have gotten my flu shot, and

609
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: even though it allegedly covers bad I was, I've been

610
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: I've been feared into submission and I got it.

611
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: Anyways, been sick for like thirteen days.

612
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: She was the last time you saw her, and were

613
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: you six year away?

614
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: So what I was going to say was Stephanie, you

615
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: that is a fair point that perhaps if you're playing hardball,

616
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 5: you want Nick Reiner's erratic behavior to be public immediately.

617
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: But on the flip of that, it was also that

618
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 5: he was in a very heated argument with his father,

619
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 5: Rob Reiner, which could absolutely do the opposite and lay motive.

620
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Sure, so that would be a gamble.

621
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

622
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: It's an interesting theory, and I think in this moment

623
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 5: it's unknowable because when Alan Jackson was announced as being

624
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: the council, that didn't happen the moment he became the council.

625
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: So that's right, you know what I mean, it's we

626
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: don't know. So that's sorty escalated too, because first it

627
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: went from he was being odd with partygoers. I followed

628
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: this like I was hanging on it's everywhere. I couldn't

629
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: get enough of this story real time. Not out of

630
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: a fascination, but it's genuinely heartbreaking and it's just so

631
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: disturbing as well. So yeah, we all wanted answers. It

632
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: seemed like he was acting erratic at the party. And

633
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: then there was the first reports, at least, or how

634
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: it seemed to me at least, was that dad and

635
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: mom were like, I'm a little embarrassed, right We want

636
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: to get like my cookie son out of here right

637
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: now because he's kind of making people a little uncomfortable.

638
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: And like, okay, it's time to dip, and like let's

639
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: just get the cane and get our son to get

640
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: in the car and get skadaddling. And then the next

641
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: round of reports, which you know is how the media goes, right,

642
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: So now we're in you know, next level. And then

643
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: it was a fight and it broke out in the driveway,

644
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: and then that got kind of pulled back again. So

645
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: the truth is, we don't know. I don't know anybody

646
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: who was at that party, nor have we heard big reports.

647
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: And I would have to imagine in some of those Hollywood,

648
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: you know parties, they have DA's and they're there's like

649
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: a pretty tight crew. I'm sure Conan O'Brien does not

650
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: want any.

651
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: Association with the ring or something and teams for some money.

652
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: Who knows, you know.

653
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: Not my Harvey, he would never do that, how dare you?

654
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: Honestly, the TMZ gang is way too busy lurking in

655
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 5: courtroom hallways very effectively.

656
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: They are very good at this. They be the caterer,

657
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, going undercover, which is brilliant to investigate something.

658
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: I would one hundred percent serve you little entrees and

659
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: you know, carry around to tray one hundred percent. I

660
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: would do that.

661
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: Sweets at the We would be at the bar being bartenders.

662
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: I don't know about I would serve food, though.

663
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be a bartender. I don't know. Have you

664
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: ever been a bartender or a server?

665
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: I was a cigarette girl for a minute.

666
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh in Vegas? Oh my goodness, were you really

667
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: m forever?

668
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: It's yeah, in the casino. That's my first job area.

669
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: Are you a waitress?

670
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 8: You?

671
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: I was a cigarette girl.

672
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is wild. And Stephanie, you were a server

673
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: for quite a bit of time, right. I was a

674
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: waitress all through high school, all through college. Yeah. Honestly,

675
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: even to this day. I'm like, there's two things that

676
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: I think about. One, you used to hate that feeling

677
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: of like your shift is going to start at night.

678
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: It kind of messes up your day a little bit

679
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: because you're kind of anticipating going to work all the time.

680
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: It's horrible.

681
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Or if the world went nuts, I could pick up

682
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: a tray tomorrow and be a waitress with great merriment.

683
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: And I you know, it's a culture and I loved it.

684
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: I used to work at a wedding hall where you know,

685
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: you would be serving the prime rib and the roast beef,

686
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: and you know, you got to see all of the

687
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: family dynamics. And I loved it. Yeah, I worked there

688
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: all through high school. That would be fun.

689
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: The wedding was fun.

690
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wedding one and then you're all doing the

691
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: congo line and everyone's in a great mood because it's

692
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: a wedding, And yeah, it was a It was a

693
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: great job.

694
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 5: My mom was one of her many jobs concurrently was

695
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 5: as a waitress. And every year on New Year's Day,

696
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: she and I well she I guess would host a

697
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 5: brunch and we would have champagne mimosas it was very fancy,

698
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 5: and we did it on solely the coins that she

699
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 5: got in her tips.

700
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: She would get the tips.

701
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: I would roll them up and save them all year

702
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 5: and have a mimosa brunch.

703
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: How great, that's cool.

704
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: Right now coins don't even exist. I would need bitcoins.

705
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 4: They're getting me. Pennies. Pennies are gone over, They're gone.

706
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 4: Pennies are not fast.

707
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy right mm hmm.

708
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: Although save your pennies anymore. I think it was time

709
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: it was tennies. They're heavy in your purse.

710
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 5: Yes, And it is also time for us to get

711
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 5: back into the story of which if you are just

712
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: joining usury.

713
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: Is my cane. She just gave us the cane I did. Well.

714
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: Listen, we're going to talk about a crime, because this

715
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 5: indeed is true crime.

716
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Tonight we are on iHeartRadio.

717
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 5: I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky and blessed to be here

718
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 5: with Stephanie Leidecker and body move in body smiling.

719
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: I just saw a smile. I'm good.

720
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: I'm telling me, I'm fine. I was just angry earlier,

721
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: and I apologize.

722
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's appropriate, but we're just glad to see

723
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: that's good. We're not trying to sugarcoat it. It's let's

724
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: it just sorry, court.

725
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 5: Uh No, we want to just hear more about the

726
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: Nick Reiner story. What else did we have to Well,

727
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 5: it seems it's like, you know, his medical diagnosis is

728
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: very serious, right, and that obviously that takes a toll

729
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: on a person. And he had been diagnosed you know,

730
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 5: many many years ago, correct, and his medication had been changed.

731
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: Not that long ago.

732
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

733
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: In fact, Body, I think you called this day one

734
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: because again it's a friend of you, is very serious.

735
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: This type of diagnosis again hard to manage.

736
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: Right.

737
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: It stinks to be a loved one or a family

738
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: member as somebody is getting this under control, because medications

739
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: are complicated, and certainly to be the patient to the

740
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: person dealing with it, it has to be incredibly lonesome

741
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: and scary and confusing and debilitating. So medication plays a

742
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: really big part. But let's be honest, some of that

743
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: medication can make you lethargic, or gain weight or feel

744
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: not like yourself. Now add a drug addiction on top

745
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: of that that could play with your head. Yeah.

746
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: TMC is reporting that Nick Reiner again he's accused of

747
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: killing his parents, filmmaker Rob Reiner and photographer producer Michelle

748
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 4: Singer Reiner. He underwent this medication change about a month

749
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 4: before the December fourteenth murders. He was diagnosed with Schitzo

750
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: effective disorder in twenty twenty, and he had been on

751
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: antipsychotic medication for several years, and this medication change allegedly

752
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 4: triggered a mental collapse about a month before the murders.

753
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: Like that is big news, right.

754
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: It is expected to support this not guilty plea by

755
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: reams of insanity that people are expecting him to make. Right,

756
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: since his arrest and Nick Reiner has been held in

757
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 4: solitary confinement at Twin Towers Correctional Facility in Los Angeles,

758
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: which is a high observation mental health unit under a

759
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: close supervision with weekly medical evaluations. I would think he

760
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: would need to be in there more than weekly, but

761
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: that's just you know me.

762
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: I would think that they're checking on him every fifteen minutes,

763
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: I understand. So this is around the clock care. And

764
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: while maybe he's not suicidal, I'm sure he is thawing

765
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: from the reality that he's no longer on drugs and

766
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: that he's allegedly killed his parents.

767
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the reason for the medical the medication change hasn't

768
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: been made clear. Like nobody, nobody in the public right

769
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: now knows why there was this medication change. But allegedly,

770
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: you know, allegedly he had some sort of mental decline

771
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: right during this this medication change. And you know what's

772
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: interesting is the doctors did not place him on a

773
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: psychiatric hold.

774
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: You can't very difficult in California. It's not soilicult. So

775
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: it's a lot of California though too. California's particularly my

776
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: beloved California is particularly difficult.

777
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: Like you have to like a fifty one fifty.

778
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be in crisis. You have to

779
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: be actively suicidal, actively gravely dangerous in action. It's not

780
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: necessari very similar diagnosed. Yeah, very is that the case.

781
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: And listen, it's a tough thing because you don't want

782
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: to just have everybody off the street just get a commitment.

783
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: Does It can be weaponized, of course anytimes. It is

784
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: something that is just like people weaponize, you know, swat

785
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: calls and you know things like that. You know fifty

786
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: one fifties can be weaponized. Right. You just can't say, oh,

787
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: this person's crazy and then have them come into your

788
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: house and take you away in a street jacket.

789
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Right. No, But if you're switching, and this is a

790
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: this is also very close to my heart. It schizophrenia,

791
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: bipolar disease. Some of these medications can really staying hallucinations, delusions,

792
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: and if you're a loved one or a family member

793
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: of somebody going through that level of crisis, it's hard

794
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: to relate to. So remember, if you're a family member,

795
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: you see all slices of a person. You see there

796
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: are many colors for many, many years. And this comes

797
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: on a little bit later in life, So you start

798
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: making excuses and you fill in the blanks and you

799
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: see the totality of them in their entire life. You're

800
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: not just seeing this slice, whereas maybe a medical professional

801
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: seeing the slice for what it is, would potentially say

802
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: they are gravely dangerous. But it's difficult, and certainly in California,

803
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty tough to get somebody. And maybe

804
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: this is a wake up call because these types of

805
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: medication switching or experimenting or by the way, he was

806
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: also using drugs allegedly, so that's another thing for only.

807
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: Self medicaea No Judgment's drugs.

808
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: What a wicked combo if he wasn't no judgment. I mean,

809
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: of course, of course, no question, but you know that

810
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: could be a cocktail of death, was what we're seeing here,

811
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: and right you know, for the parents, you know, they're

812
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: probably like, oh, we want to like you don't want

813
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: to have him taken away and what seems like a

814
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: straight jacket, even though in reality that might feel like

815
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: the safest place for this medication to a be administered,

816
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: because you don't know if they're taking it regularly and

817
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: on time. That's a true first thing. And secondly, yeah,

818
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a safety to the world. And

819
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't know this is, you know, just from an

820
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: outsider looking in.

821
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of his symptoms were that he was having

822
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: a break from reality, you know, when he got when

823
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 4: he got this medication switch, a break from reality, agitation,

824
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: erratic behavior.

825
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: You know.

826
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 4: Those are just some of the reported symptoms that he

827
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 4: had been experiencing during.

828
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: This medication change.

829
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 4: And I don't know how long it takes for medication,

830
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 4: you know, like switches like this to take effect. I

831
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 4: would imagine weeks and weeks and weeks, right, because it

832
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: has to build up.

833
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, what's going on with me?

834
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: There's so many different we're doing COVID tests. Yeah, in

835
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: the break, I'm getting my Burnax twenty four weird box

836
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: from right.

837
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: But this Giitzo effective disorder too, can include delusions, hallucinations,

838
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: disorganized thinking, menia, and deep depression. So yeah, we'll see

839
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: what happens with this plea coming up soon.

840
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we will obviously keep you posted as new information

841
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 5: comes in, and listen stick around when we come back.

842
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 5: Shanday Combs reaches out to President Trump. What went on

843
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Speaker 5: True Crime tonight? Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,

844
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

845
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 5: here with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. So if

846
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Speaker 5: you missed any of the first hour, be sure to

847
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Speaker 5: download your down your iHeartRadio app and you can always

848
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,480
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849
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 5: want to hear from us, tune in or if you

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00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,320
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Speaker 2: So did he? Have you heard the latest? Oh god,

852
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: what we were talking about it last night and now

853
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: suddenly it's news everywhere. That not because of us, per se,

854
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: but I think we were scratched. No, no, the swell

855
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: is only about paint by numbers? Did he has nothing on?

856
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong? Right? And by the way, thank you for

857
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: all the best talkbacks about painting by numbers. It's so

858
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: heartwarming we're getting them. It's just like I love this

859
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: audience so so much, so devoted. So did he?

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00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 6: So?

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00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 2: As we know, did he is serving his fifty month sentence.

862
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: It's also being a led that he is hitting some

863
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: financial very hard times. We talked about it last night

864
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: that it appears Fittycent might be making yet another documentary

865
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: part two as a follow up to his currently airing

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00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary, and when he got transferred from the Metropolitan

867
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Detention Center to the current place he's in right

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00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: now in New Jersey, much better conditions. You'll remember, he

869
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Speaker 2: was a little mouthy about the fact that he felt

870
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Speaker 2: as if President Trump was going to pardon him, and

871
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: we all kind of frankly thought that was probably accurate.

872
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: And when asked all of these months, Trump has said, oh,

873
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't really know. I haven't really

874
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: been paying attention, but definitely didn't say no. And I

875
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: found that very upsetting a little bit because did he

876
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: got a sweet deal in my humble opinion, And I

877
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: didn't like the fact that that pardon was still out there. Well,

878
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: as of today, apparently President Trump has declared his vote

879
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: and he says he has no intention of pardoning Diddy,

880
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: period the end exclamation point yay.

881
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, although a lot of it and listen the I'm

882
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 5: very for the end result. However, President Trumps has said

883
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: this plainly that because Sean Colmes did have some criticism

884
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 5: for Trump over time, Trump said, oh, well, that makes

885
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 5: it harder to consider a pardon, which sounds a little personal.

886
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: To me, which is about women's rights and less about

887
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: the fact that he was abusive.

888
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 4: To be still timing as well, like all the epscene stuff,

889
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 4: and I just would listen. That will not be a

890
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: good look for Trump, right, it.

891
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: Would be a very bad look exactly. Not as bad

892
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: as seeing a bulldozer through our people's home, the White House,

893
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: the most prestigious house in all of the land. I'm

894
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: gotta tell you, I see this bulldozer kick through the

895
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: East wing and it bums me out. It rips my

896
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: little heart out. This is the West Wring. No, it's

897
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: going into the West wing one too. Yes, today there

898
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: was a new architect who presented the plans and now

899
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: they're calling it the upper West Wing. So outside of

900
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: the East wing that is now being demolished, he's also

901
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: adding to the west wing, which will also destroy parts

902
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: of the current West wing. For the bargain discount of

903
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: what's the price tag.

904
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: Four hundred million dollars, four.

905
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: Hundred million dollars, I mean, can we just give that

906
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: to the people who lost their homes or even right

907
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: now who I'm watching people's homes get ripped out of

908
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: the from the air in Oklahoma due to tornados, tornadoes

909
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: really anyway, I digress. Well, one good deed, one good

910
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: deed is Diddy. Well maybe just have to sit where

911
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: he is and and think about what he's done.

912
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 4: Well, this is your crime tonight and Nightheartradio. We were

913
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: just talking about Diddy. But I have a really crazy

914
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: story out of Tampa. Of course. It's in Florida, Florida,

915
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: Florida woman. Okay, can we get into this?

916
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: Is it?

917
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: Okay?

918
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, listen to this.

919
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

920
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: Investigators are saying that a woman in Florida carried out

921
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 4: a chilling same day, a double murder, allegedly shooting both

922
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: of her ex husbands just hours apart in two different counties.

923
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: What did wait, she killed both of her husbands? Yeah,

924
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 4: the same day, both of hers she married.

925
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: And so she was single and then went back like

926
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: a black widow. She just killed all of her husbands.

927
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like fem fetale.

928
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: So authorities believe Susan Avalon planned these attacks, used deception

929
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: in these attacks to get them to open the door,

930
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 4: and then tried to cover her tracks. A case now

931
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 4: serious enough that prosecutors are actually considering the death penalty.

932
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 4: This is a serious case. I'm looking I know I

933
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: of her right now. Yeah, she might have a listen,

934
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 4: she might have a coming, who knows. And I know

935
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 4: I kind of say things like in es at the beginning,

936
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 4: but no, this is very serious, you know, like Florida woman,

937
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 4: she killed both her ex husbands allegedly. All right, So,

938
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: investigators saying the case unfolded across these two counties in

939
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 4: a single day, leaving both of the accused Susan Avalon's

940
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 4: ex husband's dead. They're saying these killings happened in Tampa

941
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: and Bradenton, Florida, on December seventeenth, just last year, so

942
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: just very recently. The victims' names have not been released

943
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: under Florida's Marcie law. It all began in Braden's in Florida,

944
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: when deputies responded to a shooting at a private home.

945
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: The fifty fifty four year old victim told officers, because

946
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 4: he was still alive, told officers he was shot after

947
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: answering his front door, and he believed the shooter was

948
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 4: his ex wife. Apparently she pretended to be a Panera

949
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: bread delivery like door dash, Yeah, this is what so he's.

950
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: Just talking about this, answer your door, no matter what.

951
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: I know, investigators say the two were married for eleven

952
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: years and that she owed him about four thousand dollars

953
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: in child support, and she uses Panera food delivery roost

954
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: to get the door opened and fired immediately. So soon

955
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 4: as he opened the door, she fired. Then, so the

956
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 4: victim's fifteen year old daughter reported hearing gunfire and seeing

957
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: a masked person flee in a silver Honda Odyssey house.

958
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: Yes, so mom shoots dad while wearing a mask ask

959
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: over child support while the daughter is in the house. Hmmmm,

960
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: well that's.

961
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: That very So get this. Investigators trace the vehicle to

962
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: Susan Avalon's house, where deputies say she was outside wiping

963
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 4: it down with bleach. So they pull up and the

964
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: investigators started asking her about the shooting of her ex

965
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: husband and she goes, which one? So they were like,

966
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: what do you mean which one?

967
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: Right?

968
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: Can I apoluse you right here for one second? I mean,

969
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 5: how movie of the week? If this was scripted so

970
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 5: overwritten right that she's there, it's like a lifetime in

971
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 5: her car, and which one?

972
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: I mean?

973
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: This is which one on?

974
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Right?

975
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: And the so investigators were like, what do you mean

976
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 3: which one?

977
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 4: There's only one and you know I'm paraphrasing or I'm

978
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: making stuff up now, but I'm imagining that's how it went.

979
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: But she did respond and said which one, okay? That

980
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: really did happen. That question, of course, led to a

981
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: welfare check in Tampa, where her other ex husband lived,

982
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: and they found her second ex husband dead from gunshot wounds.

983
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: So she led them right to them by saying which

984
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: one right. So investigators believe that Susan Avalon got back

985
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 4: in her car, drove roughly an hour from Tampa to Bradenton,

986
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: and carried out the second shooting later the same day.

987
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: So here's where it gets kind of tricky.

988
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 2: This is tricky already. I know Susan is on a tear.

989
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 4: So in Manatee County, Avalon has been charged with second

990
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: degree murder. Prosecutors may seek to pursue the first degree

991
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: murder chargers and the death penalty, but in Tampa they

992
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: have not charged her yet. They're still investigating everything. So

993
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 4: there's because there's two different counties, but when you combine

994
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 4: them both there the death penalty might be on the

995
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 4: table for this one. But yeah, what a dummy? Uh

996
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: excuse me, ma'am? Did you shoot your ex husband? Which one,

997
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 4: which one? It's crazy, there's more than one that you shot.

998
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?

999
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 5: And also that one hour that this woman had to

1000
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 5: both think about what she had done just done to

1001
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 5: X husband number one in the presence of their shared

1002
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 5: daughter is insane and then continue for one full hour.

1003
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: To go and do the same thing.

1004
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1005
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 5: What an absolute monster and what a monster, what a

1006
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 5: waste of life?

1007
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I would like to know more about these husbands.

1008
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing my own little.

1009
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: Well, and we don't know, right, and we don't know

1010
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 4: their names. I haven't dug up, dug into that or

1011
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 4: anything like that, but I guess there's a law in

1012
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 4: Florida that protects victims and their names. It's called the

1013
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 4: Marcy's Law. Correct, So the we don't have their names, okay, but.

1014
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: I'm super curious as to you know, the first one

1015
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 6: was because of child support, what was the reason behind

1016
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 6: the second person? Like, you know, you're driving an hour.

1017
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 6: It just makes me wonder, you know, what's going on

1018
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 6: with this woman?

1019
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: Rights what happened that morning that she was like, you

1020
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: know what, today's the day I'm done well? And then

1021
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: I've just done with one of them. I'm done with

1022
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: both of them, even though my daughter is at.

1023
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 4: One of their homes right and and investigators are saying

1024
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: she planned this, like this was definitely something she planned

1025
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 4: to do. So for how long I'm more gonna come

1026
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: out for sure, but right now this is all we

1027
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: know for right now.

1028
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, but of course she planned it unless she

1029
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 5: worked at Panera's Bread, which perhaps she did. Maybe otherwise

1030
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: she rented a costume or had to procure those items

1031
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: and a loaf of bread to believably go up to

1032
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 5: the door.

1033
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: That is planning.

1034
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 4: And that's a good point you bring up, because I

1035
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 4: was thinking, well, did he order food? Did he? But

1036
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 4: then I started thinking because Steph, you asked what I

1037
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: opened the door if a little girl in the middle

1038
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 4: of the night was standing outside, And my answer was no.

1039
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: But let me tell you something, if somebody was standing

1040
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: outside with Panera bread, I might open the door.

1041
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm serious, true, and maybe she had. I want the

1042
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: backstory on all of this, because again, not that this

1043
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: makes this right in any universe. Bad Susan, you did

1044
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: a very bad thing, but maybe the Panera bread is

1045
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: like an inside thing. Maybe maybe she'd been maybe she

1046
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: lead it on with you know, and that he was

1047
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: sneaking his mistress to the Panera bread or found out.

1048
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: He's obsessed with the broccoli cheddar bread bowl.

1049
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 4: Like I am, that's fair, and she knew that that's fair,

1050
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: and she was like, you know, if I show up

1051
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 4: with Panera bread, he's going to open the door, you know.

1052
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: But she was wearing a mask too, she was disguising.

1053
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 5: Herself and she I mean, this is such a petty

1054
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 5: and small part, but just in terms of the planning

1055
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 5: and honestly upping the degree at which she will be

1056
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 5: charged because there is so much pre planning. They she

1057
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 5: actually went to the Panera Bread and took food. She

1058
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 5: stole food from the delivery pickup shelf. Right, And then

1059
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 5: let's set that.

1060
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 4: So she's pretending to be a door dash or Uber

1061
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: East driver or whatever. Yeah, so we're gonna keep following

1062
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: this because it is pretty interesting. I want to know

1063
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: what her her mindset was with that.

1064
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: But one question, and I know you said this, that

1065
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: she drove off and that the fifteen year old daughter

1066
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: saw saw her car or did she rent a different

1067
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: car that I don't know? That's like, was she you know,

1068
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: gonna go kill somebody in her car? And then she

1069
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: had to bleach and was like doing a car wash

1070
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: in her driveway. This was this was a bad day, Susan.

1071
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't that day.

1072
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 4: So let's let's add let's end the bad day and

1073
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: go to a fun talk back.

1074
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: Let's say yes, please do that.

1075
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 9: Oh hi, guys, this pulling from Astrata, one of your

1076
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Speaker 9: latest podcasts. And a lady called Emily who also called in,

1077
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Speaker 9: who was a garbage truck driver and desided me to

1078
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Speaker 9: call in because I'm also a garbage truck driver, And

1079
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Speaker 9: I just want to say, I've been listening to your

1080
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Speaker 9: podcast for a while while I've been driving my truck,

1081
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Speaker 9: and you guys really keep me company. I do some

1082
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Speaker 9: very early mornings, long days, and it's just always a

1083
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Speaker 9: great listen. I feel like I've got some friends along

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Speaker 9: and for the drive with me. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're so glad you were listening.

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Speaker 2: Do have friends a lot with you? And it's us.

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Speaker 4: It's so exciting we're talking. Was it on air that

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Speaker 4: we were talking about sanitation workers or was it off

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Speaker 4: the air?

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Speaker 2: Because no, it was on air. Was it on the air?

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Speaker 4: I remember? It is true the world in order literally

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Speaker 4: keeps the world running like without you guys, like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's and I was obsessed with garbage trucks when I

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01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: was a kid. I mean I was like, it's trash day,

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Speaker 4: let me go out. And I loved it. So hats

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Speaker 4: off to you keeping the world clean because it's such

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Speaker 4: a hard job.

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Speaker 2: It is a hard job and the hours are super rough.

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Speaker 2: But also you know, also that was always like a

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Speaker 2: man's gig, and I was like loving all these This

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Speaker 2: glass ceiling is done, and hats off you guys are

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Speaker 2: crushing it, so keep it coming, and we're very proud

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Speaker 2: of you. I love it.

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Speaker 5: And the little Australian accent was exactly what I needed

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Speaker 5: in this moment to kind of cheer me up and

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Speaker 5: warm my heart.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's a smile right now. We have all smiles. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: in full smile mode. So thank you for that talk back.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so windy here right now, you guys. I

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Speaker 4: live in Las Vegas and we are having like gale

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Speaker 4: force winds. It's very loud and it is scaring my

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Speaker 4: little my little puppies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at seeing a super big drench storm and

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Speaker 2: oh my god, we're going to lose electricity overnight. And

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Speaker 2: then it's going to be a major major in Nashville drenching.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means exactly, but it's like

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Speaker 2: tornado weather.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Really first one, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know what that means. I have no idea what that means,

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Speaker 2: but I will say like, yeah, I think I'm prepared.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well hopefully, Well listen, please stick around. We have

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Speaker 5: a real deep dive and it's beautifully researched into the

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Speaker 5: MDC Brooklyn, which is one of the most notorious jails

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Speaker 5: in the country, and the people who are staying there,

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Speaker 5: it reads like a who's who keep it here? True

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Speaker 5: Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong. Body movin. So okay, we know that this

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Speaker 2: particular to ten center has so many high profile inmates.

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Speaker 2: What's it called, Courtney Armstrong? Oh wait, we have a

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Speaker 2: talk back. But before we do that, what is it

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Speaker 2: called the Metropolitan Detention Center? All the greats of well,

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Speaker 2: I say great, all the opposite of grates, all the

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Speaker 2: criminals that we have been talking about, so many of

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Speaker 2: them have been actual inmates there. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: unpack kind of what goes on there because it's gotten

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Speaker 2: a lot of attention lately. But first let's go to

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Speaker 2: a talk back.

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Speaker 10: Hey everyone, Happy New Year. I just had a note

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01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 10: about the keypad entrance on doors. Ours has a fingerprint option.

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 10: I don't know if they all do or just some

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01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 10: of them. We have the Nest keypad, so it is

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 10: also attached to a camera, but we never give out

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 10: the code. We don't use the code. We use our fingerprint,

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Speaker 10: so it's unique to us.

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Speaker 2: Hope to help. I love It's a great call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. I love the Nest as well.

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: My friend has one and it works really good. I

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Speaker 4: went to visit.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a They make a lot of stuff.

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 4: They make like heaters, like thermometers for your house. Oh yeah, sure,

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 4: like a lot of home appliants, like smart home appliants,

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Speaker 4: like Internet of Things stuff, and they have they have

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Speaker 4: like a ring type doorbell. They also have locks that

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Speaker 4: also have cameras in them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So it's like it's kind of like an.

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Speaker 2: All in one unit. How can though use your air

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01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: clever and Yeah, it's so much faster than like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: my goodness, can you imagine every time we're digging through

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Speaker 2: our purses. Oh, it's all I do in my life.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do. I percent of our lives would be

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Speaker 2: returned to us if I wasn't looking for my keys.

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Speaker 2: So and then you're digging in your bag or your

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Speaker 2: book bag or your purse. If you could just put

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Speaker 2: your finger, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 6: I actually have that. I use that one.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you have?

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Speaker 6: It's the best thing in the world for the reasons

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Speaker 6: you mentioned. I'm like usually juggling a bunch of groceries

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Speaker 6: and everything. But you just put your thumbprint on the

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Speaker 6: door opens up. It's easy. You just said it's one

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Speaker 6: of the best things I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 4: I should hear that one.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do that. That's a great recommendation. Where

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Speaker 2: do I do that? I just buy that online. That's

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Speaker 2: a commercial for nest But I know we should, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm at the market. That sounds awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll test it for you.

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Speaker 5: I will say one thing if you have one of

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Speaker 5: the more traditional numeric keypad locks is if you have

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Speaker 5: some kind of situation. Let's say, for example, your home

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Speaker 5: is being tempted for termites, or you're getting your floors

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Speaker 5: are redone and workers need to be in your home

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Speaker 5: when you are not. You want to give a different

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Speaker 5: code from the code that you use, and you can

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Speaker 5: enable and then disable that code so for a specific time,

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Speaker 5: and also you would know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really just.

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Speaker 2: Potentially that's a tip that sounded a little personal, Courtney,

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Speaker 2: Or I'm strong that if your or sandy in your floors, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that makes perfect sense, because that would be My fear

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Speaker 2: is that I think sometimes people can get the code,

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Speaker 2: or you text it to somebody and then somebody gets

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Speaker 2: access to your phone or I don't know, I work

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Speaker 2: in true crime, so I'm also a little.

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Speaker 5: Crazy, right, No, but you don't want to be giving

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Speaker 5: out your personal code. Yeah, it's just it's a much safer,

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Speaker 5: smarter for literally any other person except for the occupants.

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Speaker 2: And you know what other tips do you have, Courtney?

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Speaker 2: I feel like you got a few up your sleeve.

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Speaker 2: They also say you gave me this tip. When you

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Speaker 2: have on your phone your Google Maps, you shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: home with your home address actually in it.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, that was a good tip. I thought, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I forget where I'd learned that. But just have it,

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Speaker 5: you know, a block or two or however you want

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Speaker 5: that it will get you home, but not.

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Speaker 4: Put your neighbors at rest.

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Speaker 3: Save yourself, save yourself.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard that it's not funny at all. No,

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Speaker 2: it's not. But they wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: But listen, if someone in this example, say someone has

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Speaker 5: your you know, your phone and or your car and

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Speaker 5: your keys and the keys to your home, your neighbors

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 5: wouldn't be in danger because your key to your home

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Speaker 5: that's on your keychain would work in their house.

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Speaker 3: Or you don't have a keychain at all, and you

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Speaker 3: just use you kissumbprint.

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Speaker 2: That's the way to go. That's way. That sounds smart.

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Speaker 4: Unless somebody chops off her hand and uses it. Then

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Speaker 4: oh that's true, and you got bigger problems.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That is true. We can't solve it all.

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Speaker 2: But I like where your head is going, body, because

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Speaker 2: we are doing a Plan B and we are troubleshooting.

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Speaker 4: We are we're going through it.

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Speaker 5: Where I would like to go is through a little

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Speaker 5: deep dive of m d C, the Metropolitan Detention Center

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Speaker 5: in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So it's recently come into the news yet again when

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Speaker 5: Venice and President Nicholas Maduro as well as his wife

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Speaker 5: Celia Flores were put there, which is where they are

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Speaker 5: being held in Brooklyn. And the MDC is a it's

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Speaker 5: a federal jail, and it's notorious for incredibly harsh conditions

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Speaker 5: and these high profile inmates. So in the Detention Censor,

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Speaker 5: it's a mix of pre trial detainees, So those are

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Speaker 5: people who obviously they have not been convicted, they are

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Speaker 5: pre trial and those who are serving shorter sentences. And

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Speaker 5: MDC has held a roster of figures, everyone from Sean

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Speaker 5: Dea Decombs to r Kelly to former Honduran President Juan

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Speaker 5: Orlando Hernandez Luigi Luigi Chapeau. Yes, but despite claims from

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Speaker 5: the Bureau of Prisons that conditions have improved moved in

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Speaker 5: the past couple of years, MDC does remain infamous for violence,

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01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 5: inadequate facilities, power outages, near perpetual lockdowns, and really frequent

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Speaker 5: legal challenges over inhumane treatments. So I feel like we've

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Speaker 5: talked about MDC Brooklyn so many times because so many

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Speaker 5: of the people have ended up, you know, have ended

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Speaker 5: up there.

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Speaker 2: Sam bankman, the white collar criminal accused of all the

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 2: mini Ponzi schemes you'll remember.

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Speaker 4: And these are people that haven't been convicted, right, they're

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Speaker 4: just in jail pending trial.

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Speaker 5: Well it's pre trial or if they have shorter sentences.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: For example, that's where he would just while his trial

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Speaker 2: was happening, exactly, and then Luigi know he made a deal.

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Speaker 2: Luigi is still there, I believe, and so.

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Speaker 6: I believe you're correct.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that where the Venezuelan president is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly what someone.

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Speaker 2: Answer for me. One simple thing about the Maduro capture?

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Speaker 2: Why did he have so many costume changes? I feel

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Speaker 2: like I've seen him and he was in the Nike

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 2: sweatsuit and not crivilizing what has happened. And I know

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Speaker 2: it's controversial he was captured. He's wearing the Nike gray jumpsuit.

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Speaker 2: Then in another scene I see him in a blue

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01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: blazer somehow in a white button down. Then he's in

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Speaker 2: that very.

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Speaker 11: Cool like like a corduroy collared kind of a green

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Speaker 11: on greenish sort of jacket and pants like he's been

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Speaker 11: in a lot of outfits.

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Speaker 2: Can someone answer that? Where all these costume changes.

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Speaker 4: Maybe somebody knows.

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like Luigi Mangioni, for example, got so

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Speaker 2: infamous because he was in prison clothes, right, So I

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Speaker 2: just I'm so curious where that all happened. Question. There's

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Speaker 2: like four of them. I've counted four. Maybe there's been

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Speaker 2: five and four of them that were kind of fashionable.

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Speaker 6: I might mm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Nike thing is like their number one suf.

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: Sold out, and he's wearing like a jacket that's kind

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: of like an army green jacket with matching pants. I

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: had kind of a car heart feel. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that was the brand. With the corduroy collar. It's sort

1290
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Speaker 2: of in style right now, matching I don't know. You

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: don't travel with that. I would assume he's very very

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 2: tall and very very a very large man. Where do

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Speaker 2: you get the clothes?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You'd have to imagine the president of a country. You

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 5: may have a couple of extra, you know, concessions made, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but not here, as he's captured all concessions.

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01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know who knows, well, well, well, I

1300
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 2: don't know. I have no idea why that's in my head,

1301
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: But it's just something that's been keeping me up at night.

1302
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: So generally you seem to remember them all in small detail,

1303
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 2: but here we are. Yeah.

1304
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 5: So some of the larger details about MDC Brooklyn is

1305
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 5: the detention center is located in Sunset Park and it

1306
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 5: opened back in nineteen ninety four, and it opened because

1307
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 5: of overcrowding at the correctional Center in Manhattan, which, by

1308
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 5: the way, is where pedophile Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in

1309
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen infamously.

1310
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: That's the eleven hours. This is the place that had

1311
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: the infamous suicide non suicide tape. Remember it was like, oh,

1312
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: there's three minutes that are missing and we only have

1313
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: X amount of hours of footage as it always happens

1314
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: in this prison, which we know is not true.

1315
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 5: That is correct, Yes, and let's see, Oh just a

1316
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 5: couple of details. So NBC does, as we said, have

1317
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 5: Luigi Mangio in there and wrapper six'. Nine oh, yeah that's. Right,

1318
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah so THERE'S i forgot about. HIM i had as

1319
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: well UNTIL i was looking into. This and the facility

1320
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 5: has a history of a lot of inmate killings and, stabbings,

1321
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 5: assaults and contraband. Smuggling in twenty twenty four, alone two

1322
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 5: inmates were stabbed to, death and there were four suicides

1323
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 5: reported in just a couple of. Years and they've been

1324
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 5: CRITICIZED nbc for prolonged, lockdowns restricted, movements and a lot

1325
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 5: of inmates spend up to twenty three hours a day

1326
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 5: locked inside their own. Cells so it's it's a really

1327
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 5: it's a rough, place and staffing shortages are rampant in.

1328
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 5: There AND i don't know if you guys remember back

1329
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 5: in twenty, nineteen there was a polar of vortex In

1330
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 5: New york at that, time so it was extraordinarily, cold

1331
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 5: and Basically manhattan was halfway shut down while the inmates

1332
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 5: were left with that heat for an entire.

1333
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,440
Speaker 2: Week what.

1334
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 3: Did anybody?

1335
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 5: Die not to my, Knowledge but THAT'S i, mean that is.

1336
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 5: Inhumane and judges even have occasionally refused to send defendants

1337
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 5: TO mdc because of the, UNSAFE yep and in humane,

1338
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 5: environment and some, cases because this facility is so, bad

1339
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 5: have led to sentence.

1340
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 4: Reductions, oh because you're going TO, Mdc we're just going

1341
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 4: to reduce your sentencey spend too much time, there that's.

1342
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 12: Why.

1343
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: Wow, interesting, Okay.

1344
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 5: And in, fact One manhattan federal judge in twenty twenty

1345
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 5: one said THAT mdc is let me repeat this is

1346
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: a federal judge said that THE mdc is run by.

1347
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: Morons oh my. God.

1348
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 5: Yeah and the wardens they rotate, frequently sometimes only months

1349
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 5: at a, time so there's really inconsistent. Oversight and even

1350
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 5: though The Federal bureau Of prisons have claimed there have

1351
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 5: been improvements since around twenty twenty.

1352
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: Four.

1353
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 5: They have increased staffing and there has actually been some decreased,

1354
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 5: violence but it's still it's not the place you want to.

1355
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 3: BE i certainly want to want to go. There i'll

1356
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: have to be on my best.

1357
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,959
Speaker 6: Behavior AND i find it interesting so many high profile

1358
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 6: people are such a you, know rundown or awful prison like.

1359
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: THAT i don't.

1360
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 6: Know it seems like because they get so many people

1361
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 6: that garnish so much, attention they'd probably be on their

1362
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 6: best behavior or try to clean things up and make

1363
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 6: it a little. Better but you would, think you would.

1364
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 6: Think but this one stood out to our favorite Producer

1365
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 6: ava who she is In brooklyn, now and she, Said

1366
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 6: i'm not far from that, prison So i'm dying to

1367
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 6: talk about this. Story so this was this was, really you,

1368
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 6: know she brought this to our, attention AND.

1369
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,440
Speaker 4: I see Through near And Alison mack were, There oh

1370
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 4: from The nixian cult remember?

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01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: Them?

1372
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah that's.

1373
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 4: Right, YEAH i, mean very high profile people to your,

1374
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 4: Point taha have gone. There and wow Are Elean maxwell R?

1375
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 4: Kelly remember R? Kelly remember? People oh that's. Right if

1376
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 4: you peem, people you're going to go TO. Mbc, okay, yeah, wow.

1377
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, ANYWAYS i thought that was that's a fascinating.

1378
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 4: One so, YEAH i, mean but here's the thing about

1379
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 4: about these. Prisons AND i know everyone's probably.

1380
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: Like who?

1381
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: Cares are you committed? Crimes they do the?

1382
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 4: Time you, know prisons should not be a day, Spot

1383
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: AND i, AGREE i absolutely agree with.

1384
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: You it should not be a day.

1385
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 4: Spa but we can't be be treating our fellow citizens

1386
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 4: even though they're criminals this, way.

1387
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Right but also the fact that the vast majority is

1388
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: pre trial.

1389
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: Detaining they're not even, convicted, right so they're technically. Innocent

1390
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 4: imagine if you got picked up for a crime you didn't.

1391
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 4: Commit and m that's my fear of all, fears is

1392
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 4: THAT ai is going to somehow show me rob in

1393
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 4: the bank or. Something, okay And i'm going to get picked,

1394
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: up because how do you prove it? Anyway, AnyWho i.

1395
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 4: Digress imagine and then you're waiting trial for like a

1396
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 4: year and a half and you're in this dump freezing

1397
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: to death and getting eaten by.

1398
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 6: Rats, wow, yeah that is that's like you. Body that's

1399
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 6: my biggest. Fears it's one of my biggest. FEARS i have,

1400
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 6: many but one IS.

1401
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 4: I have a lot of look, Too i'm neurotic as,

1402
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 4: heck but, yeah that's one our biggest. Fears IS ai

1403
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 4: is going to somehow place me at a crime scene

1404
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 4: or something and there ain't gonna be ANYTHING i can

1405
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 4: do about, it or.

1406
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: Because i'm at home alone all the time And i'm no.

1407
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 5: ALIBI i, mean, listen, HEY i convinced me that rabbits

1408
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 5: were jumping on.

1409
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 4: TRAMPOLINE i fell for. That oh so.

1410
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 3: Irritating stick. Around we have more to get.

1411
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 4: Into your talkbacks are coming in, fast and we are

1412
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 4: about to get into what you are. Saying keep it

1413
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 4: right here At True Crime, Tonight we're talking true crime

1414
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 4: all the.

1415
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: Time welcome back To True Crime tonight On. iHeartRadio we're

1416
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time Of Stephanie lydecker here

1417
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: with The courtney armstrong and body. Moving we had a

1418
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: surprise guest in the. Break we Had courtney's popping in

1419
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: doing a little karate. Chopping he's a black, belt also

1420
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: saved her life during that vicious home invasion back in the.

1421
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: Day live to tell the. Tale we should all have

1422
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: a weight in our corner Of, okay, great so we

1423
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: have some talk. Backs let's go to one.

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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 8: NOW i have a little bit of a cold, here

1425
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 8: But lisa From, pittsburgh And i'm cracking up about the

1426
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 8: apparently two types of people in this, world those that

1427
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 8: love them satisfying videos and those that do not understand

1428
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 8: bracking me up hearing it described and the confusion on

1429
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 8: the other.

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 4: End thanks for the lad.

1431
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: On the other, End i'm glad that you enjoyed here

1432
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: here on the other, end BUT i get. IT i

1433
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: want to get. IT i get you, body that's for.

1434
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: SURE i think you're right down the. Middle you kind

1435
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 2: of like it a little.

1436
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 5: Bit it's, Different, no, now what body intah we're talking.

1437
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 5: ABOUT i DIDN'T i THINK i was you AND.

1438
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 4: I didn't either at, first UNTIL i found that it

1439
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 4: was popping up more for me as the MORE i

1440
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 4: watched AND i was, like oh wait a. MINUTE i like,

1441
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 4: this especially like when they lay like the brick and the.

1442
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: Motor they like they take that little stuff and they

1443
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 4: put it on the little triangle in their hand and

1444
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 4: then they lay the is it? Motor it JUST i don't,

1445
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 4: know for whatever, reason it's very satisfying to. Me BUT

1446
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,440
Speaker 4: i also really like to Play, minecraft and In minecraft

1447
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 4: everything is a square and you build things and it's

1448
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 4: all square, square and so everything lines up. Perfectly it's

1449
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 4: just very satisfying to.

1450
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 3: ME i don't know. WHY i just love.

1451
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: It you're, here it.

1452
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 3: Scratches that it, well it's just a.

1453
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: ITCH i love. It and there are two types of

1454
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: people and we all, coexist so. Beautiful that's.

1455
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: Right get.

1456
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 5: Along sorry for your old but you are certainly in

1457
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 5: good company all.

1458
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: Things for everybody getting sick right? Now are you ground

1459
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: zero of why everybody has the? Exactly?

1460
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 3: Man this flu is, seriously you, guys it's no.

1461
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 4: Joke like my friend has been literally sick for like thirteen,

1462
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 4: days like and not only not only, this but she

1463
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 4: can't even like comprehend things right, now do you know

1464
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 4: WHAT i? Mean, like it's it's really, bad this flu

1465
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 4: that's going, Around so please stay. Safe do whatever you,

1466
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 4: do get the, airbornes get the immuno, shot things that

1467
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 4: you put in the fridge and drink AND i don't know,

1468
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 4: whatever just please stay. Healthy oh my, God i'm terrified

1469
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: of the. FLU i hate.

1470
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: IT i take airborne around the. Clock do you Really i'm,

1471
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: like maybe addicted to. Airborne that's not a good thing to.

1472
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: SAY i don't know what's in. Orbit do you really suggesting?

1473
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 2: This BUT i take. It i'm a little freaked out right.

1474
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: NOW i can't get. SICK i can't afford to get.

1475
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: SICK i can't afford to get it is life dependent

1476
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: and in many places work, wise life. Wise AND i

1477
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: keep hearing about this super flu and So i'm, like

1478
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: every six, HOURS i just pop an. Airborne BUT i

1479
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: don't think that's good. EITHER i don't even know what

1480
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: exactly is in.

1481
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 6: It BUT i.

1482
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: Feel like you would BECOME i feel like, you, RIGHT i, Know,

1483
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: stephanie you have to stop. Putting, okay, Fair i'll stop

1484
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: it now and just drink my. Sprite drink your.

1485
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 6: Sprite But i'm like, You, STEPHANIE i take those airborne

1486
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 6: constantly as. Well just curious do you do the ones

1487
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 6: that fizz AND.

1488
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 13: I like the.

1489
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Tablets, yeah not the cheueable. ONES i like the.

1490
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 6: Tablets, yeah it's.

1491
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 3: Best they TASTE i don't know If i've ever done.

1492
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: Those it doesn't taste. GREAT i just do it like a.

1493
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: SHOT i put some water in. It they were made for,

1494
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: airplanes and, somehow like a hundred years, ago when these were, invented,

1495
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: APPARENTLY i saw there was a female, owner entrepreneur who made,

1496
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 2: them and she spoke to my, heart And i've used

1497
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: them ever. SINCE i don't know if she still owns the.

1498
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: Company it might have been sold nineteen. TIMES i don't

1499
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: know what's in, it BUT i swear it works.

1500
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 4: Well In, malaysia WHEN i was on the, mole they

1501
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: would give us those. Tablets they were hydration tablets because

1502
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 4: we were. Sweating so back is the. Humidity it's not the.

1503
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 4: Equator it's, like oh my, god it's the. Worst and

1504
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 4: so we would always get the hydration tablets AND i

1505
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: would take them even WHEN i didn't like, them because

1506
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 4: they tasted, good but they were fizzy in mere, water

1507
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 4: AND i would do them like a.

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01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 3: SHOT i Wish panto's, HERE i.

1509
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 5: Bet you we.

1510
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: DO i just have to get that we can get.

1511
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: That my mother swears by that emergency the amazing she

1512
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: talks about. Emergency in, Fact, mom you should call because

1513
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: she talks about emergency all the. Time it's a hot.

1514
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: Topic she's talking about the view her favorite, show and.

1515
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 4: Oh that's her favorite.

1516
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 2: Show she'll, say make sure you don't forget to take your.

1517
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: EMERGENCY i swear it. Works and you know it's who's

1518
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 2: to fight the. System she seems really great and healthy.

1519
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: Well and she has a daughter that has never had a,

1520
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: cavity so she's doing something.

1521
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: That's.

1522
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 4: Right this is your crime tonight On iHeart. Radio we're

1523
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: talking to your crime all the. Time i'm here with,

1524
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 4: body But i'm. Body i'm here With stephanie And. Courtney i'm,

1525
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 4: body and let's do. It let's do What i'm to

1526
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 4: talk back right.

1527
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 14: Now, hey, ladies heard that you liked the idea of

1528
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 14: the diamond art And i'm very happy to hear. That

1529
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 14: just a little, tidbit you can get them really cheap

1530
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 14: ON tamu And. Amazon don't go to your Family michael's

1531
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 14: or Ac more whatever crap place you, have because you'll

1532
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 14: spend far too much.

1533
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: Money have a good. Night i'm always like DO i

1534
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: order from. That by the way we're doing you know

1535
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: WHAT i.

1536
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 4: Do i'm like a compulsive. COURT i downloaded the app

1537
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 4: AND i SPEND i will spend hours browsing like, TEMU

1538
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 4: i want, THIS i want, that AND i get all

1539
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 4: my car and THEN i never buy. Anything BUT i

1540
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 4: do it all the.

1541
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: TIME i do the same. THING i don't know why

1542
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: we're like compulsive shoppers that don't.

1543
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 4: BUY i used to do, yes, YES i do it On.

1544
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 4: AMAZON i do it on all of those shopping. APPS

1545
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 4: i don't JUST i like. TO i get satisfaction out

1546
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 4: of adding to cart as to. CARTE i don't. Know

1547
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 4: i'm trying to be less, consumer you, know less, whatever

1548
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 4: And i'm gonna you know WHAT i. MEAN i need

1549
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 4: to delete the apps from my. Phone that's WHAT i

1550
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 4: need to. Do BUT i love just browsing and like

1551
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 4: the kitchen gadgets and the bathroom soaps and the whatever

1552
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 4: organization Stuff i'm obsessed. WITH i love containers of, things makeup,

1553
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 4: bags things LIKE i JUST i like.

1554
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: My Favorite now you're singing my. Song now we're speaking

1555
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: the same. LANGUAGE i love the organizer to the. Bag

1556
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: but THAT'S i think this is the equivalent of window.

1557
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: Shopping so in our twenty twenty Six New year's resolution

1558
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 2: to consume less and return. Less by the, way returning

1559
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: things is a full time. Job if you're the one

1560
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 2: that has printed and get the box and the pill

1561
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: pick it. Up no. MORE i, like refuse to buy

1562
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 2: something THAT i KNOW i won't. Love and in FACT

1563
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: i have two boxes sitting here and beside. Me then

1564
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: they're they're working my. Nerves they're working my last nerve

1565
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i didn't get it right and the size is,

1566
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: wrong and no more. Returns so after, Today i'm not

1567
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: even going to buy things. Online but if you put

1568
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: it in your cart and then you don't buy all

1569
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: those things in your cart and it scratches the, itch

1570
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: you sleep on, It, yep it's like you, know strolling

1571
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: Down Fifth avenue In New York.

1572
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 4: City my thing now is buy it with a, purpose, yes, intention,

1573
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 4: yeah intention and.

1574
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 5: Quality AND i had to, Say, stephanie that's a sounds

1575
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 5: like a really good potential mindset of not returning, things

1576
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i was like a hunk of. Time oh you're pretty,

1577
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 5: big and it is you will, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i, mean.

1578
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: And witness a move and by the, way we start, Moving,

1579
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 2: oh size, no, no, No now it's at the home.

1580
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: Goods you see, it you take it with you or.

1581
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 2: Whatever this is just a small, example but for me

1582
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: this is a personal. Thing but, yeah not like, Hey

1583
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: i'll buy it in two sizes and see what works

1584
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: and return the other full time job.

1585
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 5: Job AND i have never bought anything On, timu AND

1586
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 5: i don't know That i've ever particularly.

1587
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 2: Looked oh my, god don't do. It, yeah we're gonna

1588
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: see you from. Yourself do not look at the. Organization

1589
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 2: oh my. GOD i want, everything.

1590
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 4: Literally everything you could ever, imagine because it's like A Chinese,

1591
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 4: uh it's like A chinese, store and EVERYTHING i know

1592
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 4: ABOUT i, know, okay and so they have like.

1593
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: The socks are a little, tiny the shoes are everything's

1594
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: a little and it don't and it's hard to. Return

1595
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: we do not do.

1596
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 5: It the organizational, stuff, though that in my mind is

1597
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 5: like a.

1598
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: SAVIOR i think it will change my.

1599
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 4: LIFE i think it will, too but then it never.

1600
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: Does so THEN i just start hoarding organizational. Stuff you

1601
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 4: know WHAT i. Mean i'm, like you, KNOW i got

1602
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 4: to organize my organization.

1603
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 12: Stuff you, know it's. Ridiculous, Sorry i'm going. On so

1604
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 12: it speaks to, ME i still get. It so, yeah no.

1605
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: MORE i was almost no musk Mus but you can

1606
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: fill my cart till the cows come, home stay up

1607
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: all night filling up back, cart right.

1608
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 4: All SO i do. IT i do it all the.

1609
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 4: Time so like then WHEN i finally, Decide, OKAY i

1610
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 4: really do need to buy garbage bags and, whatever AND

1611
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 4: i go To amazon or, WHATEVER i go And i've

1612
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 4: got like seven things in my Cart i've got to

1613
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 4: get rid of BEFORE i can buy my garbage.

1614
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 3: Bags you know WHAT i.

1615
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: Mean doesn't that feel? Good so it feels, good it.

1616
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 4: Does but THEN i get a little sad That i'm not,

1617
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 4: getting you, know the cute makeup bag of thirty That i've.

1618
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,440
Speaker 2: HEARD i love a makeup, bag, though makeup bag.

1619
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 3: Or travel AND i.

1620
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 4: HAVE i have them for. EVERYTHING i have a makeup,

1621
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 4: bag LIKE i have a long, one like for my

1622
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 4: mascara and like eyelash glue and, whatever, pens, Brushes and

1623
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 4: THEN i have another one to put in my, purse

1624
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 4: And i've got like some you, know hygiene stuff in,

1625
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 4: there AND i got like two in my. Purse it's.

1626
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 4: RIDICULOUS i use makeup bags as. Organization it's so. Stupid,

1627
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 4: no it's just.

1628
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Simplify it sounds like you have it sorted out quite.

1629
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 2: Nice why not have a nice?

1630
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 4: Makeup my purse is just full of makeup bags full

1631
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 4: of stuff.

1632
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 2: Exactly don't try to find your keys in.

1633
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 4: There, no, no, no, no that's WHY i read can

1634
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 4: we go to?

1635
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Another, hey?

1636
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 13: Y'all so y'all were talking about the diamond paintings and

1637
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 13: a caller said that it was super satisfying for especially

1638
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 13: for those of. Anxiety, WELL i have a. STORY i

1639
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 13: decided to try that a couple of years, ago AND

1640
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 13: i started off AND i was, like, oh this is,

1641
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 13: Great but then my son's cat decided to jump on

1642
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 13: my stuff and then the little pieces went, everywhere which

1643
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 13: then shut my anxiety through the.

1644
01:29:54,160 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 4: Roof oh, no that would be my cat THAT i can.

1645
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: Picture and by the, way the cat is now fully.

1646
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 2: Bedazzled now you have a dazzled cat and the glue

1647
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: is on the couch and the cat's running. Around that's my.

1648
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Nightmare BUT i actually hear about. It that's WHAT i

1649
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 2: picture happening Because i'm really, klutzy and like, suddenly now

1650
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: there's diamonds everywhere and the glue is, everywhere and my

1651
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: vacuum just broke BECAUSE i just like sucked up nineteen different.

1652
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 4: Diamonds, yeah they're like, little they're like little, rhinestones kind

1653
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 4: of like these old. Diamonds they're, tiny and you've got

1654
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 4: to place them in the number or symbol on the map,

1655
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 4: basically and it ends up creating this really interesting little.

1656
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 4: Painting BUT i am obsessed with That Dolly parton plate

1657
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 4: your friend.

1658
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: Made OH i have it's.

1659
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Beautiful, NO i really.

1660
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 2: As a whole, company AND i SHOULD i should know this,

1661
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 2: offhand but, yeah she makes like mugs and cups and

1662
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: by the, way very intensive time. Wise, Oh i'm sure

1663
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: labor of love if ever there. Was and then she'll

1664
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 2: be dazzles and be. Dazzling it's diamonding whatever this is.

1665
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 2: Called and you know she's made a whole business out

1666
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 2: of it now and showed her things that are custom and,

1667
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 2: YEAH i have a plate Of Dolly parton and it's

1668
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: beautiful and it's so hung on the wall right. NOx,

1669
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: yeah by the way she gave. IT i got that

1670
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: well Before nashville was even on my. Radar, really wasn't

1671
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: that like a little precursor like a money to take

1672
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,879
Speaker 2: it to the Grand Ole. Operate is That? Nashville, yeah,

1673
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: exactly can you? Imagine? YEAH i just Love Dolly. Parton

1674
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: who does who doesn't Love?

1675
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 3: DOLLY i, mean she's so perfect in every.

1676
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 4: Way she's LIKE i, mean you, know she has that

1677
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 4: program that does all the books for the.

1678
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Kids, yeah she's the. Best she's the. Best she's really the.

1679
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 4: Best AND i, saw oh my, GOD i saw a

1680
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 4: post On twitter from like her sister or something and

1681
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 4: it was, Like dolly's not doing. Well AND i had a.

1682
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 4: HEART i was, like and then she was.

1683
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: Fine. Yeah and by the, way what a picture of

1684
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Grace because she lost her, husband who we didn't know

1685
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 2: all that much. About she was very private and so.

1686
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:18,879
Speaker 2: Public you, know She's Miley cyrus's. Godmother fun fact interesting

1687
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 2: That Billy Ray cyrus is With Elizabeth, hurley the.

1688
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 5: Model, Really, yes that is very intriguing to. ME i

1689
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 5: saw it and just cocked an. EYEBROW i don't know.

1690
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 5: Why that seems very strange to, me but it seems

1691
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 5: very strange to.

1692
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 4: Me and whatever happened To Elizabeth? Hurley has she been

1693
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 4: in anything?

1694
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 2: Recently? Well, No And Elizabeth, hurley if you guys don't

1695
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 2: know who she is she was From she was that

1696
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 2: super much, right, yeah and grows. Beautiful she used to

1697
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 2: be With The day a million years.

1698
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 4: Ago wasn't she with him when he picked up the? Prostitute? Divine?

1699
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 4: Divine that's, right, listen good, Memory.

1700
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 2: LANE i worked on a show Called Nashville star a

1701
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: thousand years ago And billy Ray cyrus as the, host

1702
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: and he was so. Lovely and he had a wife Named,

1703
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: tish who we also thought was so. Lovely is so?

1704
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: Lovely and Then courtney you AND i worked with her

1705
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 2: at one point she har company and she. DOES i

1706
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: was doing some home improvement shows with her. Daughter lovely,

1707
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 2: COUPLE i might, Add BUT i guess they. Split and

1708
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 2: Now billy Ray cyrus is With Elizabeth. HURLEY i don't know,

1709
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 2: them but it's Is Pamela anderson With Liam. Neeson that's

1710
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: ALL i really need to.

1711
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 4: KNOW i don't think, so, NO i THINK i don't

1712
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 4: think they were ever. TOGETHER i think it was just

1713
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 4: they were just being lovely for the. Show were they

1714
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 4: WHAT i?

1715
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 5: Understand and this Was i'm fairly certain BECAUSE i followed

1716
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 5: this pretty, closely that the most they were, strong, dear dear,

1717
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 5: friends and then they sort of spent one weekend. Together

1718
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 5: that was, lovely but they had almost chaperones with.

1719
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: Them and that's the extent of. It period the.

1720
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 4: END i want to hear some love.

1721
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 2: Stories can we come back On sunday with some love? Stories, listen,

1722
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 2: everybody this has been a beautiful. Week we're so glad

1723
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: to have been with. You we'll be back On. Sunday

1724
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 2: we love. You please stay safe and let's start stacking

1725
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 2: some good. News let's have a great couple of. Days

1726
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: more to, come, eh