Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: I'm not big on New Year's resolutions. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone keeps to them, and that makes them largely pointless.
Speaker 1: But in twenty sixteen I came up with a fairly
Speaker 1: easily achievable one to take more pictures of myself by myself.
Speaker 1: At the time, there was a lot of conversation around
Speaker 1: women feeling this self loathing, especially women who have had babies,
Speaker 1: and staying out of photographs. That wasn't really my problem.
Speaker 1: I might not always love the way I look, but
Speaker 1: I never shied away from pictures, especially with my kids,
Speaker 1: and nights out with my husband can certainly include some selfies.
Speaker 1: But in all of twenty fifteen, a year in which
Speaker 1: I took several thousand pictures of my kids, I realized
Speaker 1: I had a total of five pictures of just me alone. Now,
Speaker 1: why do I need pictures of myself? Well, why do
Speaker 1: we need pictures at all? It's nice to look back
Speaker 1: and feel nostalgia and reminisce about a time worth photographing.
Speaker 1: And why does every picture of me have to include
Speaker 1: other people? It's not narcissism, it's individualism. I'm a mother
Speaker 1: and a wife, sure, but I'm someone without them too.
Speaker 1: I love looking back at photographs from years ago, Like
Speaker 1: there I am at age five on my first day
Speaker 1: of school, I spoke no English and had a note
Speaker 1: pinned to my dress that had all of my information
Speaker 1: on it. Or at sixteen, all dressed up ready to
Speaker 1: go out with friends. There's the picture of me under
Speaker 1: my jam Morrison poster in the horrible basement apartment I
Speaker 1: lived in in my sophomore year of college. Or the
Speaker 1: one of me on the Scottish border the first time
Speaker 1: I ever traveled alone. There were other people there, and
Speaker 1: I have pictures I treasure with them too, but the
Speaker 1: ones of me by myself really tell my story. So
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, my New Year's resolution was to take
Speaker 1: more pictures of myself and continue to tell that story.
Speaker 1: Some people make resolutions to eat better or work out.
Speaker 1: Mine was to have some memories of myself as a
Speaker 1: person without kids attached to my head. Did it work?
Speaker 1: Not exactly. For one thing, it was awkward, of course,
Speaker 1: to be in your late thirties and snapping selfies of yourself,
Speaker 1: or worse, handing your phone to someone else and saying,
Speaker 1: take a picture of me by myself. I wasn't looking
Speaker 1: to become one of those girls on Instagram with dozens
Speaker 1: of pictures of themselves each week, often posed in front
Speaker 1: of walls with a hand on their hip. I just
Speaker 1: wanted some photographic evidence that I exist apart from other people. Also,
Speaker 1: remember this, you're never as young as you are in pictures.
Speaker 1: But now it's years later and I'm more worried about
Speaker 1: the story of my life through pictures, being all very posed.
Speaker 1: My husband took this really great picture of me and
Speaker 1: my friend Lisa Booth recently. We were getting ready to
Speaker 1: pose for a picture together, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: pictures where we look at the camp with the exact
Speaker 1: look we perfected, and smile the exact smile we do
Speaker 1: in all the photographs, and Lisa said something funny and
Speaker 1: we both started laughing. It's not a great picture, but
Speaker 1: I love it so much because it's real and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: If you love looking back at your photographs, you need
Speaker 1: to make sure to take some candid shots, not just
Speaker 1: your perfect angles. Take some candid pictures of your friends
Speaker 1: and have them take some of you too. Maybe when
Speaker 1: you're laughing too hard, and your face is all scrunged
Speaker 1: up when you're imperfect and awkward. Life isn't all great
Speaker 1: lighting and perfect angles. In thirty years when we look
Speaker 1: back at our lives right now, we'll appreciate remembering those
Speaker 1: days as they actually were. Imperfections and all more candid shots.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, Happy New Year. Coming up next
Speaker 1: in interview with Michael Malice. Join us after the break, Hi,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on Iheartraate Video.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Michael Malice. Michael is the host
Speaker 1: of Your Welcome podcast and the author of several books,
Speaker 1: most recently The White Pill, A Tale of Good and Evil.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being on, Michael.
Speaker 2: I like how you're checking your notes to read the
Speaker 2: intro as if we're not friends.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to mess up
Speaker 1: the name of your book, Oh White Pill, the Red Pill.
Speaker 1: Who knows, I don't even know all the pills have
Speaker 1: read it. It was really good?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not you know, I'm not quite as experience
Speaker 1: as you. Well, thank you so much for being on.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, SNOD and any New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 3: I think about this a lot.
Speaker 2: And I think news resolutions are things that you should
Speaker 2: look back in your previous year that you did right
Speaker 2: and kind of be like, let's stick with this because
Speaker 2: that's working right. So I think that because that's the
Speaker 2: kind of resolution you could stick with. So I what
Speaker 2: has worked for me really well in the past year
Speaker 2: was being completely vicious to people who deserve it on
Speaker 2: social media. And I resolved, and I've been very successful
Speaker 2: with it, and I resolved to be even more ruthless
Speaker 2: and merciless.
Speaker 1: You know, most people choose to be nicer.
Speaker 2: But that's that's why you have work for you, really,
Speaker 2: and that's why you had to write the book.
Speaker 3: You have to write because people are nice.
Speaker 1: That's true too. So we have kind of similar origin stories.
Speaker 1: Both born in the former Soviet Union. Both grew up
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. You moved to Texas shortly before I moved
Speaker 1: to Florida. How's that been going.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just epic.
Speaker 2: I'm really happy that I'm here, you know, I was
Speaker 2: just this is going to be the most like Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Jew conversation ever. But I have a buddy of mine.
Speaker 2: He's trapped in Los Angeles. Said he's in a bad situation,
Speaker 2: And I was just looking at real estate and you
Speaker 2: could get a nice two bedroom here to buy for
Speaker 2: like I think it was like two hundred thousand or
Speaker 2: two fifty. And it's just like so crazy to me
Speaker 2: that you know, in Brooklyn price is what's that going
Speaker 2: to be? Like seven hundred thousand minimum. So like the
Speaker 2: fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, is
Speaker 2: still affordable. The fact that everyone's coming here, everyone comes.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you haven't come through here yet, to be honest,
Speaker 2: Like it's become such a waystation for so many pe I've.
Speaker 1: Went to Dallas a few times, but not Austin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised, So you'll be here at Have you.
Speaker 1: Made friends, like not like internet? Have you made friends
Speaker 1: not like internet friends, but like situational friends, neighbors and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, no no no no.
Speaker 2: So like I am very opposed to a Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like the idea of being again we're born in the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union. The idea of being friends with my neighbors
Speaker 2: is something that I'm extremely opposed too. I remember once
Speaker 2: and It was a Russian neighbor my first apartment back
Speaker 2: from college, and they were upstairs from me, and like
Speaker 2: I saw them in the hall.
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't hear you, we don't see you.
Speaker 2: You call this a neighbor, And I'm like, that's the
Speaker 2: ideal when I don't hear you and I don't see you.
Speaker 3: Especially in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: That's like the problem with the neighbors is that you
Speaker 2: hear them too much, right, Like they're playing the music,
Speaker 2: they're partying, they're knocking things around. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to know my neighbors. And no, I think all my
Speaker 2: friends are like they're not Internet friends in that we're
Speaker 2: only friends on the Internet, but they're friends, and that
Speaker 2: they all have like some kind of platform that's there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's exciting about Austin is there's a lot of cross
Speaker 2: pollination here because you have the bitcoin people, you have
Speaker 2: the comedians, you have the podcasters, you have the biohackers,
Speaker 2: you've got the like white people, stuff like cold plunges,
Speaker 2: and everyone cross pollinates and that makes it really exciting.
Speaker 1: Do you wish you got out of New York earlier? No?
Speaker 2: Because I think if you are committed to something that
Speaker 2: means a lot to you, like a marriage, right, you
Speaker 2: should really make sure before you leave that I tried
Speaker 2: everything I could. Otherwise you'd be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: you know, I quit too early. I could have done this,
Speaker 2: I could have done that. You'd have some kind of regrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's right. But like New York was
Speaker 1: falling apart for a while, do you feel like you
Speaker 1: know what pushed you out? Ultimately?
Speaker 3: I think first there were several It was several.
Speaker 2: It had to be several things, right, because that one
Speaker 2: thing is going to be like I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: So first of all that it was like a murder
Speaker 2: mystery because my friends got picked off one by one
Speaker 2: they moved away, and I didn't realize until I left
Speaker 2: how lonely it had gotten the fact that all my
Speaker 2: favorite establishments were like destroyed one at a time, so
Speaker 2: there was no place for me to go. And then
Speaker 2: a buddy of mine just she had this quote, she goes,
Speaker 2: why am I funding my own oppression? And it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: what am I thinking here? So when I saw what
Speaker 2: I could afford here, I have like like a huge
Speaker 2: house like which I could never afford. Like Carol, you
Speaker 2: appreciate this as a Brooklyn night. To have stairs in
Speaker 2: my house is like a miracle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh my god. You know I have
Speaker 2: stared at my house so like that. To have that,
Speaker 2: it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you live like a public life? Do you get
Speaker 1: recognized a lot? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Fair amount.
Speaker 2: But everyone's very very cool. I've never had an annoying experience.
Speaker 2: They're really because I have a reputation of being I
Speaker 2: can't say the word on the show, but I have
Speaker 2: a reputation.
Speaker 3: So people are often scared to talk to you say
Speaker 3: the word. Well, it's insufferable tat so I'm.
Speaker 1: Scared to talk to you right now.
Speaker 2: But it's so it's a good thing because then people
Speaker 2: don't get too uh like like chummy, which I really
Speaker 2: don't like. So they're very everyone's very very nice. I
Speaker 2: talk to people in the gym all the time, or
Speaker 2: you know, if I runs down the street, and it's
Speaker 2: really fun.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like more of an immigrant there? I
Speaker 1: just feel like once you leave New York, you know,
Speaker 1: the immigrantness that maybe faded into the background becomes more forward.
Speaker 2: I think that less of an immigrant here than New
Speaker 2: York because whenever I'm here, whoever I surround myself with,
Speaker 2: I never have to bite my tongue, Whereas in New York,
Speaker 2: especially like media circles, you never know who you're talking to,
Speaker 2: and you don't know if tomorrow they're going to go
Speaker 2: on their tumbler or on their sub stack and write
Speaker 2: some kind of visionism of the experience we just had
Speaker 2: the night before, which has happened.
Speaker 3: To me and a lot of people in New York.
Speaker 2: Circles, especially the circles you and I travel in, are
Speaker 2: literally like quite mentally ill, and they can pass as normal.
Speaker 3: But then you don't know who you're dealing with.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot easier here in that context in Austin, when.
Speaker 1: You're writing your books, like, do you find them? I
Speaker 1: found The White Pillar very hard to read, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I found I liked all of
Speaker 1: your books. I love your writing, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan, and I wish i'd read more like I
Speaker 1: wish you wrote more often. I wish you were like
Speaker 1: a regular columns because I really really do enjoy your work.
Speaker 1: But do you find it difficult like to write about
Speaker 1: you know, murder, torture, all the things that you cover
Speaker 1: in your books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just taught an eight hour course for Peterson
Speaker 2: Academy Jordan Peterson about the rise and fall the Soviet Union.
Speaker 3: And there's this one particular.
Speaker 2: Story of Peter Fector who was shot trying to cross
Speaker 2: the Berlin Wall when he was eighteen years old by
Speaker 2: the East Germans, and they he took him an hour
Speaker 2: to die.
Speaker 3: He was bleeding out and.
Speaker 2: They later said he was a fascist, you know, like
Speaker 2: it was just this really, and we have his picture
Speaker 2: and we have the video of them carrying his body.
Speaker 2: And I think it was like ten minutes for me
Speaker 2: to get through this story, and I kept breaking down
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do. It was almost like the opposite, like sometimes
Speaker 2: when you get the giggles and you're like, holy crap,
Speaker 2: I can't stop, and then you're like now I'm laughing
Speaker 2: that I'm laughing, and it's like like how do I
Speaker 2: get out of this?
Speaker 3: And I just I don't know how I did it.
Speaker 3: It was horrible.
Speaker 2: And I even told the class, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: you write something because you want it to be powerful,
Speaker 2: and then you're like lecturing from it and it is
Speaker 2: powerful and like, now you're a prisoner of your own accomplishment.
Speaker 2: So it was it was I don't know how I
Speaker 2: got through that course. It was a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Did you find White Pill like tougher because it was
Speaker 1: more personal or was it just as hard as like
Speaker 1: your book on North Korea?
Speaker 2: It was much harder because it was much longer in
Speaker 2: terms of the carnage, the amount, and the degrees and
Speaker 2: the types, and the fact that all of it was
Speaker 2: being defended in the West, and the fact that it
Speaker 2: was personal and there was much more of what they
Speaker 2: did to children than in the North Korea stuff, where
Speaker 2: the children almost kind of like secondary whereas here they
Speaker 2: were targeted.
Speaker 3: And when you have the quotes from.
Speaker 2: Westerners being like this is great, and some of these people,
Speaker 2: these organizations are still in power.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a lot, lot tougher.
Speaker 2: Because it's so many more countries for so much, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, for such a longer period.
Speaker 3: In ways, it was even more brutal.
Speaker 1: What do you think is our largest cultural societal problem
Speaker 1: in the US. I feel like it's related to a
Speaker 1: lot of things you cover in the book, But you know,
Speaker 1: I'd love your take. What do you think is our
Speaker 1: big issue.
Speaker 3: The universities, hands down, no question.
Speaker 2: You solve that problem, everything else will be Domino's. I
Speaker 2: have been calling for this for a very long time.
Speaker 3: I'm hardly unique in that regard.
Speaker 2: Just this morning, Ben Shapiro was tweeting out that you know,
Speaker 2: they're not salvageable.
Speaker 3: It's not just gonna be a little bit of chink
Speaker 3: around the edges.
Speaker 2: The fact that right people are targeting the universities now,
Speaker 2: people who I agree with, the good kind of people,
Speaker 2: is happening faster than I'd hoped for, and that makes
Speaker 2: me very optimistic. And I think what I'm also optimistic
Speaker 2: about is if you look at politicians right, anyone who's
Speaker 2: running for office, they're going to have to have a
Speaker 2: thick skin because.
Speaker 3: They know they're going to be attacked and what's coming
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 2: They maybe they won't know what else going to look like.
Speaker 2: They people are going to go after you, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to smile a nod. And also people agree
Speaker 2: with you are crazy. You're going to come up to
Speaker 2: you in the campaign trail and be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know why you're talking about bigfoot and you have to
Speaker 2: be like yeah, yeah, right, like that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like, as a politician you have to be a bit
Speaker 3: of a pony.
Speaker 2: And journalists are going to be a good conversationalists, quick
Speaker 2: on their tongue often, you know, they're going to be
Speaker 2: able to be articulate and defend themselves to some extent.
Speaker 2: They're going to have their peers, you know, who you
Speaker 2: could commiserate with. But the professors are the lowest to
Speaker 2: the low and they're the weakest, the most vulnerable because
Speaker 2: they're completely cocooned. No one is there to take shots
Speaker 2: of them. They have tenure, so they're in a sense
Speaker 2: isolated and defenseless. So the fact that when they are
Speaker 2: currently and hopefully vastly increasingly escalated targeted, they're really not
Speaker 2: going to know what's hitting them and them watching them
Speaker 2: squeal for mercy is going to be absolutely delicious. And
Speaker 2: it started happening in social media. It's just like my pornography.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a quick break and be
Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. A lot of
Speaker 1: people in the White Pillar do end up changing their
Speaker 1: minds about the Soviet Union, even though they you know,
Speaker 1: it takes them a while, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't change their minds. A lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: stay committed to the end that this nothing bad is
Speaker 1: going on. But you know, I'm encouraged by the fact
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people in your book
Speaker 1: who you document having their minds changed, And do you
Speaker 1: feel like that's what's happening now in the US.
Speaker 2: I am very skeptical of these like Wittiker Chambers types
Speaker 2: who you know, are on the side of pure evil
Speaker 2: and then see the light and then kind of like
Speaker 2: become a snitch.
Speaker 3: Like they have their purpose.
Speaker 2: But I will always be a little suspicious of them
Speaker 2: because when things are so demonic and you kind of
Speaker 2: don't don't like you're you know, like how human beings
Speaker 2: have evolved that when we were on sociopaths, like the
Speaker 2: hair in the back of our neck like stands up
Speaker 2: a bit like that we have some kind of Spidey sense.
Speaker 2: So if you're if you're at that level when you
Speaker 2: are like on the side of evil and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're even more evil than I thought. It's like I
Speaker 2: don't have much use for you, or like I have
Speaker 2: used for you, but it's gonna be very arm's length.
Speaker 3: What I'm most excited about is.
Speaker 2: You know, I always say that we don't need a majority,
Speaker 2: we need an alternative. And I would just encourage people
Speaker 2: listening to this to imagine if Elon had bought Twitter
Speaker 2: before COVID, and how different the COVID regime would is,
Speaker 2: assuming he survived the pressures. How different the role I
Speaker 2: would have been. If you had one site, one prominent
Speaker 2: site where there was some element of discussion and debate allowed,
Speaker 2: it would have been a very very different story. Now
Speaker 2: it may have played out the same in that they
Speaker 2: would have won, but point being, it would not have
Speaker 2: been the same dance throughout. So that is the kind
Speaker 2: of thing where I'm hopeful for nor am I thinking,
Speaker 2: by the way, that Elon might is an angel, but
Speaker 2: you know there's problems with Twitter. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: agree with him and everything, But the point is there
Speaker 2: is still a space now, you know. The one of
Speaker 2: my greatest accomplishments of twenty twenty three was getting Roseanne
Speaker 2: bar back on Twitter. And that was just very important
Speaker 2: morally because it's one thing for them to take an
Speaker 2: l it's another thing to have one of their wins
Speaker 2: reversed because then when you start losing ground, it gets
Speaker 2: scary and demoralizing.
Speaker 1: So you sound downright hopeful. Actually, like you sound more
Speaker 1: hopeful than I expected.
Speaker 2: I am very hopeful because if you have Denche Desuza,
Speaker 2: who is like King of the Boomers, talking about like
Speaker 2: false flags and you know, FBI radicalizing people and that
Speaker 2: they're the bad guys, and Dan Bongino, who was a cop,
Speaker 2: if you have him talking about the police, the fact
Speaker 2: that it's become completely normalized to understand that our government,
Speaker 2: the United States government, engages in completely depraved actions on
Speaker 2: a regular basis.
Speaker 3: This was not part of the Overton window five years ago.
Speaker 1: And so like you think it has moved the Overton
Speaker 1: window in the last five years to this. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like something really shifted in the last year, I
Speaker 1: mean kind of. I don't know. I feel like people
Speaker 1: are reactive. I'm not sure that they've changed overall. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot going on in the last
Speaker 1: you know, maybe year or two that I think that
Speaker 1: they're reacting to. But I don't know. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not quite as hopeful as you that. For example, if
Speaker 1: Elon had Twitter during COVID, yeah, it would have been
Speaker 1: you know, definitely better. But pandemic two right now happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we take a wildly different path.
Speaker 2: There are certain states that would absolutely even if it
Speaker 2: was literally like let's oppost pandemic to COVID was actually
Speaker 2: as deadly as it was supposed to have been, there
Speaker 2: are certain people and states that were like, I don't care,
Speaker 2: it's not real. Like the fact that this growing irrationalism
Speaker 2: has its pluses and its minuses, right.
Speaker 1: So some of the minuses I think as people don't
Speaker 1: believe anything at all about, you know, anything they're told,
Speaker 1: even when it's it's reliably true. I guess that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff worries me. I feel like you're less worried
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: It's not that I'm less worried, it's that I regard
Speaker 2: it as inevitable. So it's kind of like, listen, if
Speaker 2: you're going to have a horse ranch, you're not prepared
Speaker 2: to deal with animals that are how much a horseway
Speaker 2: a ton? Like you're the one with the problem, Like
Speaker 2: this is the situation. You've got a lot of horses.
Speaker 2: They need a lot of food, they lead a lot
Speaker 2: of space, okay, and they're going to they're going to
Speaker 2: poop a lot like if you can't wrap your head.
Speaker 3: Around, like get it, get out of the ranch.
Speaker 2: So if you are prepared to have this kind of
Speaker 2: wacky enlightenment idea that if we all sit down and
Speaker 2: put all the facts forward, people are going to come
Speaker 2: to the truth.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I think you're a crazy person.
Speaker 1: So do you personally feel like you've made it? You're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, you think that the world has gotten maybe
Speaker 1: the country's gotten better in the last few years. Do
Speaker 1: you think Michael Malice has made it?
Speaker 2: I know that the country's gotten better so much as
Speaker 2: the population in certain segments of them have gotten exponentially better.
Speaker 2: I think the country has gotten much much worse in
Speaker 2: many ways.
Speaker 3: But I do know that I've made it. And you'll
Speaker 3: appreciate this as a fellow immigrant.
Speaker 1: Clarification, that's right, Yeah, you'll appreciate this as a fellow immigrant.
Speaker 2: Because I own Margaret Thatcher's bookcases, so when I put
Speaker 2: them in my living room, I'm like, all right, Like
Speaker 2: as an immigrant, you know, to own her furniture, which
Speaker 2: is kind of caitchy whatever it's old lady for bookcases.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I've made it, and I.
Speaker 2: Also think this is something important I think people listen to.
Speaker 2: My definition of making it is really really low. My
Speaker 2: definition of making it is if you have a job
Speaker 2: that you enjoy, right, and you can pay your rent.
Speaker 2: You could go on trips once in a while. If
Speaker 2: you go out to a restaurant, you don't have to
Speaker 2: think twice, and you could take your ubers and not
Speaker 2: be like cra this is an issue. That's it, and
Speaker 2: you don't have to be Jerry Seinfeldt made it as
Speaker 2: a comedian. You could just be someone with a nice
Speaker 2: one bedroom apartment, right and you have your dinners and
Speaker 2: you don't have a day job.
Speaker 3: That's to me. Yeah, you've made it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, you're one of my favorite people.
Speaker 1: So I'd love to see a missus malice, Like where
Speaker 1: are we on that?
Speaker 3: I don't ever meet humans like I don't leave the house.
Speaker 1: That's why you should be friends with your neighbors.
Speaker 2: God, could you imagine dating your neighbors? Like, my god, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's like what that's like some kind of
Speaker 2: that's like what friends is. They didn't date, you know,
Speaker 2: they date each other chand learned people do it, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah that's true. Yeah, but I don't know there is
Speaker 2: a lot of like, yeah, like, my biggest turn off
Speaker 2: is basic and I think there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: here in Austin.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could expand beyond Austin. I think those
Speaker 1: the apps let you, you know, put in a mile range.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, I have my app to twenty five miles.
Speaker 2: But it's still annoying. It's it's not fun, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, still, I'm rooting for twenty twenty four, the year
Speaker 1: of missus Malice. You know, I hope we make it happen.
Speaker 1: And here with your best tip for my listeners to
Speaker 1: improve their lives.
Speaker 2: I'm going to preface this by saying I hate giving
Speaker 2: people advice because I don't think most people are in
Speaker 2: a position to receive it. You know, they want validation
Speaker 2: and they're not really there to hear it. But one
Speaker 2: piece of advice I do feel comfortable giving to everyone
Speaker 2: is know what your boundaries are and be comfortable enforcing them,
Speaker 2: because too many people feel comfortable letting other people walk
Speaker 2: all over them. They feel uncomfortable saying, no, what if
Speaker 2: this person hates me? What if this is problem with
Speaker 2: my boss? And it's better at the problems with your
Speaker 2: boss than with you, because when you get older, when
Speaker 2: you meet your maker and you look back on your life,
Speaker 2: are you going to be like, you know what, like
Speaker 2: if I lost that job, is that such a big deal?
Speaker 3: What kind of person do you want to be?
Speaker 2: Do you want to be a person who you don't
Speaker 2: have to pitch a fit at the office, you don't
Speaker 2: have to be annoying with your friends. But at certain
Speaker 2: point it's like, you know what, this doesn't make me
Speaker 2: comfortable and if they don't like it, that's their problem.
Speaker 3: Quite literally, is their problem.
Speaker 2: You have a right to your views, you have a
Speaker 2: right to your life, and you have a right to
Speaker 2: tell people know and you know you don't even know
Speaker 2: them an explanation. You know, if Carol, if you had said,
Speaker 2: you know what, is there an issue we don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about and I said no, and you said why,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to get into it, you
Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, I respect that, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: And if people don't respect that, this is not someone
Speaker 2: who is. You're having a good relationship with Andrews.
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much for being on Michael.
Speaker 1: You are the best. I can't wait to read anything
Speaker 1: you write. Please come again soon. Thanks so much for
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