WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: New Year's Resolutions with Michael Malice 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.760 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.840 I'm not big on New Year's resolutions. I don't think 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.960 anyone keeps to them, and that makes them largely pointless. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.599 But in twenty sixteen I came up with a fairly 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:24.959 easily achievable one to take more pictures of myself by myself. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.040 At the time, there was a lot of conversation around 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.880 women feeling this self loathing, especially women who have had babies, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.879 and staying out of photographs. That wasn't really my problem. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.360 I might not always love the way I look, but 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.720 I never shied away from pictures, especially with my kids, 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.840 and nights out with my husband can certainly include some selfies. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.280 But in all of twenty fifteen, a year in which 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.720 I took several thousand pictures of my kids, I realized 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.800 I had a total of five pictures of just me alone. Now, 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.920 why do I need pictures of myself? Well, why do 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.600 we need pictures at all? It's nice to look back 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.240 and feel nostalgia and reminisce about a time worth photographing. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.360 And why does every picture of me have to include 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.559 other people? It's not narcissism, it's individualism. I'm a mother 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.720 and a wife, sure, but I'm someone without them too. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.679 I love looking back at photographs from years ago, Like 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.840 there I am at age five on my first day 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.679 of school, I spoke no English and had a note 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.040 pinned to my dress that had all of my information 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.319 on it. Or at sixteen, all dressed up ready to 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.120 go out with friends. There's the picture of me under 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.880 my jam Morrison poster in the horrible basement apartment I 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.039 lived in in my sophomore year of college. Or the 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.759 one of me on the Scottish border the first time 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.000 I ever traveled alone. There were other people there, and 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.200 I have pictures I treasure with them too, but the 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.720 ones of me by myself really tell my story. So 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.400 in twenty sixteen, my New Year's resolution was to take 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.720 more pictures of myself and continue to tell that story. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.840 Some people make resolutions to eat better or work out. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.640 Mine was to have some memories of myself as a 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.760 person without kids attached to my head. Did it work? 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.160 Not exactly. For one thing, it was awkward, of course, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.560 to be in your late thirties and snapping selfies of yourself, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.840 or worse, handing your phone to someone else and saying, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.359 take a picture of me by myself. I wasn't looking 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.280 to become one of those girls on Instagram with dozens 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.480 of pictures of themselves each week, often posed in front 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.400 of walls with a hand on their hip. I just 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.320 wanted some photographic evidence that I exist apart from other people. Also, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.920 remember this, you're never as young as you are in pictures. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.880 But now it's years later and I'm more worried about 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.679 the story of my life through pictures, being all very posed. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.880 My husband took this really great picture of me and 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.440 my friend Lisa Booth recently. We were getting ready to 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.600 pose for a picture together, you know, one of those 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.040 pictures where we look at the camp with the exact 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.120 look we perfected, and smile the exact smile we do 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.320 in all the photographs, and Lisa said something funny and 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.120 we both started laughing. It's not a great picture, but 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.880 I love it so much because it's real and it's amazing. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.720 If you love looking back at your photographs, you need 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.320 to make sure to take some candid shots, not just 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.120 your perfect angles. Take some candid pictures of your friends 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.000 and have them take some of you too. Maybe when 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.480 you're laughing too hard, and your face is all scrunged 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:34.440 up when you're imperfect and awkward. Life isn't all great 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.160 lighting and perfect angles. In thirty years when we look 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.440 back at our lives right now, we'll appreciate remembering those 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:46.280 days as they actually were. Imperfections and all more candid shots. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.520 In twenty twenty four, Happy New Year. Coming up next 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:57.000 in interview with Michael Malice. Join us after the break, Hi, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.240 and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on Iheartraate Video. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.240 My guest today is Michael Malice. Michael is the host 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.040 of Your Welcome podcast and the author of several books, 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.360 most recently The White Pill, A Tale of Good and Evil. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.280 Thanks so much for being on, Michael. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.680 I like how you're checking your notes to read the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.640 intro as if we're not friends. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.000 I don't want to. I don't want to mess up 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:27.240 the name of your book, Oh White Pill, the Red Pill. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.560 Who knows, I don't even know all the pills have 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.160 read it. It was really good? 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.960 Yes, okay, all. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.400 Right, I'm not you know, I'm not quite as experience 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.920 as you. Well, thank you so much for being on. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.320 Happy New Year, SNOD and any New Year's resolutions. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.359 I think about this a lot. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.960 And I think news resolutions are things that you should 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.680 look back in your previous year that you did right 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.960 and kind of be like, let's stick with this because 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.960 that's working right. So I think that because that's the 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.280 kind of resolution you could stick with. So I what 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.560 has worked for me really well in the past year 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.480 was being completely vicious to people who deserve it on 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:20.080 social media. And I resolved, and I've been very successful 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.240 with it, and I resolved to be even more ruthless 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:25.120 and merciless. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.599 You know, most people choose to be nicer. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.920 But that's that's why you have work for you, really, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.760 and that's why you had to write the book. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.240 You have to write because people are nice. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.920 That's true too. So we have kind of similar origin stories. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.159 Both born in the former Soviet Union. Both grew up 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.520 in Brooklyn. You moved to Texas shortly before I moved 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.440 to Florida. How's that been going. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:49.560 Oh, it's just epic. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.719 I'm really happy that I'm here, you know, I was 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.799 just this is going to be the most like Brooklyn 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.440 Jew conversation ever. But I have a buddy of mine. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.480 He's trapped in Los Angeles. Said he's in a bad situation, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.360 And I was just looking at real estate and you 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.120 could get a nice two bedroom here to buy for 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.760 like I think it was like two hundred thousand or 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.560 two fifty. And it's just like so crazy to me 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.080 that you know, in Brooklyn price is what's that going 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.800 to be? Like seven hundred thousand minimum. So like the 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.480 fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, yeah, yeah, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.880 the fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, is 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.520 still affordable. The fact that everyone's coming here, everyone comes. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.560 I'm surprised you haven't come through here yet, to be honest, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.560 Like it's become such a waystation for so many pe I've. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.679 Went to Dallas a few times, but not Austin. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.520 Yeah, I'm surprised, So you'll be here at Have you. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:42.159 Made friends, like not like internet? Have you made friends 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.440 not like internet friends, but like situational friends, neighbors and 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:46.159 that kind of thing? 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.120 Oh no, no, no, no, no no, no no no no. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:53.839 So like I am very opposed to a Yeah, I 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.640 like the idea of being again we're born in the 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.920 Soviet Union. The idea of being friends with my neighbors 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.000 is something that I'm extremely opposed too. I remember once 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.400 and It was a Russian neighbor my first apartment back 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.279 from college, and they were upstairs from me, and like 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:09.080 I saw them in the hall. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.040 They're like, we don't hear you, we don't see you. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.280 You call this a neighbor, And I'm like, that's the 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.040 ideal when I don't hear you and I don't see you. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.040 Especially in Brooklyn. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.480 That's like the problem with the neighbors is that you 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.520 hear them too much, right, Like they're playing the music, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:27.240 they're partying, they're knocking things around. So I don't want 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.040 to know my neighbors. And no, I think all my 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.240 friends are like they're not Internet friends in that we're 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.480 only friends on the Internet, but they're friends, and that 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.960 they all have like some kind of platform that's there. Yeah, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.600 what's exciting about Austin is there's a lot of cross 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.320 pollination here because you have the bitcoin people, you have 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.280 the comedians, you have the podcasters, you have the biohackers, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.760 you've got the like white people, stuff like cold plunges, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.000 and everyone cross pollinates and that makes it really exciting. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.840 Do you wish you got out of New York earlier? No? 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.280 Because I think if you are committed to something that 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.600 means a lot to you, like a marriage, right, you 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.920 should really make sure before you leave that I tried 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.600 everything I could. Otherwise you'd be like, you know what, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.480 you know, I quit too early. I could have done this, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.480 I could have done that. You'd have some kind of regrets. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.120 Yeah, I guess that's right. But like New York was 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.800 falling apart for a while, do you feel like you 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.760 know what pushed you out? Ultimately? 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.320 I think first there were several It was several. 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:32.959 It had to be several things, right, because that one 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.400 thing is going to be like I'm out of here. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.400 So first of all that it was like a murder 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.560 mystery because my friends got picked off one by one 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.000 they moved away, and I didn't realize until I left 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.360 how lonely it had gotten the fact that all my 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.600 favorite establishments were like destroyed one at a time, so 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.800 there was no place for me to go. And then 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.360 a buddy of mine just she had this quote, she goes, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.480 why am I funding my own oppression? And it's like, oh, yeah, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.520 what am I thinking here? So when I saw what 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.120 I could afford here, I have like like a huge 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.199 house like which I could never afford. Like Carol, you 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.319 appreciate this as a Brooklyn night. To have stairs in 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.800 my house is like a miracle, you know what I mean. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.280 It's just like, oh my god. You know I have 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.360 stared at my house so like that. To have that, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:17.720 it's a big deal. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:18.040 Yeah. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.000 Do you live like a public life? Do you get 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.760 recognized a lot? Yeah? 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:22.400 Fair amount. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.960 But everyone's very very cool. I've never had an annoying experience. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.120 They're really because I have a reputation of being I 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.520 can't say the word on the show, but I have 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:32.160 a reputation. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.079 So people are often scared to talk to you say 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.520 the word. Well, it's insufferable tat so I'm. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.760 Scared to talk to you right now. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.640 But it's so it's a good thing because then people 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.160 don't get too uh like like chummy, which I really 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.600 don't like. So they're very everyone's very very nice. I 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.800 talk to people in the gym all the time, or 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.680 you know, if I runs down the street, and it's 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:56.280 really fun. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.199 Do you feel like more of an immigrant there? I 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.560 just feel like once you leave New York, you know, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.959 the immigrantness that maybe faded into the background becomes more forward. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.480 I think that less of an immigrant here than New 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.280 York because whenever I'm here, whoever I surround myself with, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.160 I never have to bite my tongue, Whereas in New York, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.280 especially like media circles, you never know who you're talking to, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.840 and you don't know if tomorrow they're going to go 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.280 on their tumbler or on their sub stack and write 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.679 some kind of visionism of the experience we just had 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.160 the night before, which has happened. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.200 To me and a lot of people in New York. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.120 Circles, especially the circles you and I travel in, are 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:39.200 literally like quite mentally ill, and they can pass as normal. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.719 But then you don't know who you're dealing with. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:46.200 So it's a lot easier here in that context in Austin, when. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.440 You're writing your books, like, do you find them? I 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.720 found The White Pillar very hard to read, and I 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.080 don't know, I mean, I found I liked all of 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.760 your books. I love your writing, you know, I'm a 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.679 big fan, and I wish i'd read more like I 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.480 wish you wrote more often. I wish you were like 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.400 a regular columns because I really really do enjoy your work. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.200 But do you find it difficult like to write about 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.960 you know, murder, torture, all the things that you cover 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.280 in your books. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.720 Yeah, I just taught an eight hour course for Peterson 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.720 Academy Jordan Peterson about the rise and fall the Soviet Union. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.520 And there's this one particular. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.839 Story of Peter Fector who was shot trying to cross 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.720 the Berlin Wall when he was eighteen years old by 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.360 the East Germans, and they he took him an hour 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:28.640 to die. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.320 He was bleeding out and. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.400 They later said he was a fascist, you know, like 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.240 it was just this really, and we have his picture 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.000 and we have the video of them carrying his body. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.680 And I think it was like ten minutes for me 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.360 to get through this story, and I kept breaking down 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:44.840 and I was like, I don't know what I'm going 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.720 to do. It was almost like the opposite, like sometimes 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.920 when you get the giggles and you're like, holy crap, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.000 I can't stop, and then you're like now I'm laughing 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.720 that I'm laughing, and it's like like how do I 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.240 get out of this? 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.800 And I just I don't know how I did it. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:56.800 It was horrible. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.520 And I even told the class, I'm like, you know, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.280 you write something because you want it to be powerful, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.560 and then you're like lecturing from it and it is 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.520 powerful and like, now you're a prisoner of your own accomplishment. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.240 So it was it was I don't know how I 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.920 got through that course. It was a nightmare. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.760 Did you find White Pill like tougher because it was 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.880 more personal or was it just as hard as like 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.240 your book on North Korea? 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:28.600 It was much harder because it was much longer in 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.640 terms of the carnage, the amount, and the degrees and 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.720 the types, and the fact that all of it was 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.480 being defended in the West, and the fact that it 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.400 was personal and there was much more of what they 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.160 did to children than in the North Korea stuff, where 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.480 the children almost kind of like secondary whereas here they 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.120 were targeted. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.800 And when you have the quotes from. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.880 Westerners being like this is great, and some of these people, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.800 these organizations are still in power. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.439 So yeah, it was a lot, lot tougher. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.360 Because it's so many more countries for so much, you 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:04.920 know what I mean, for such a longer period. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.760 In ways, it was even more brutal. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.360 What do you think is our largest cultural societal problem 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.199 in the US. I feel like it's related to a 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.120 lot of things you cover in the book, But you know, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.720 I'd love your take. What do you think is our 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.079 big issue. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.040 The universities, hands down, no question. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:26.079 You solve that problem, everything else will be Domino's. I 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.800 have been calling for this for a very long time. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.200 I'm hardly unique in that regard. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.000 Just this morning, Ben Shapiro was tweeting out that you know, 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:34.959 they're not salvageable. 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.120 It's not just gonna be a little bit of chink 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:37.800 around the edges. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.839 The fact that right people are targeting the universities now, 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.680 people who I agree with, the good kind of people, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.160 is happening faster than I'd hoped for, and that makes 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.040 me very optimistic. And I think what I'm also optimistic 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.960 about is if you look at politicians right, anyone who's 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.480 running for office, they're going to have to have a 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.440 thick skin because. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.600 They know they're going to be attacked and what's coming 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:00.880 for them. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.319 They maybe they won't know what else going to look like. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.800 They people are going to go after you, and you're 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.560 gonna have to smile a nod. And also people agree 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:08.880 with you are crazy. You're going to come up to 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.760 you in the campaign trail and be like, oh, you 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.360 know why you're talking about bigfoot and you have to 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.240 be like yeah, yeah, right, like that's the thing. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.600 Like, as a politician you have to be a bit 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.280 of a pony. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:23.680 And journalists are going to be a good conversationalists, quick 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.640 on their tongue often, you know, they're going to be 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.120 able to be articulate and defend themselves to some extent. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.040 They're going to have their peers, you know, who you 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.280 could commiserate with. But the professors are the lowest to 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.240 the low and they're the weakest, the most vulnerable because 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.360 they're completely cocooned. No one is there to take shots 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.080 of them. They have tenure, so they're in a sense 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.920 isolated and defenseless. So the fact that when they are 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:51.200 currently and hopefully vastly increasingly escalated targeted, they're really not 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.280 going to know what's hitting them and them watching them 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.200 squeal for mercy is going to be absolutely delicious. And 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.640 it started happening in social media. It's just like my pornography. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.840 Okay, we're going to take a quick break and be 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:11.080 right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. A lot of 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.160 people in the White Pillar do end up changing their 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.840 minds about the Soviet Union, even though they you know, 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.320 it takes them a while, and a lot of people 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.840 don't change their minds. A lot of people, you know, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.520 stay committed to the end that this nothing bad is 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.800 going on. But you know, I'm encouraged by the fact 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.880 that there are a lot of people in your book 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.960 who you document having their minds changed, And do you 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.600 feel like that's what's happening now in the US. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:40.040 I am very skeptical of these like Wittiker Chambers types 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.720 who you know, are on the side of pure evil 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.800 and then see the light and then kind of like 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.640 become a snitch. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.000 Like they have their purpose. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.360 But I will always be a little suspicious of them 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:58.640 because when things are so demonic and you kind of 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.720 don't don't like you're you know, like how human beings 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.640 have evolved that when we were on sociopaths, like the 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.160 hair in the back of our neck like stands up 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:06.960 a bit like that we have some kind of Spidey sense. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.280 So if you're if you're at that level when you 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.760 are like on the side of evil and you're like, oh, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.920 they're even more evil than I thought. It's like I 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.120 don't have much use for you, or like I have 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:19.920 used for you, but it's gonna be very arm's length. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.440 What I'm most excited about is. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.840 You know, I always say that we don't need a majority, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.320 we need an alternative. And I would just encourage people 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.360 listening to this to imagine if Elon had bought Twitter 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.880 before COVID, and how different the COVID regime would is, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.840 assuming he survived the pressures. How different the role I 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.760 would have been. If you had one site, one prominent 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.240 site where there was some element of discussion and debate allowed, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.320 it would have been a very very different story. Now 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.120 it may have played out the same in that they 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.960 would have won, but point being, it would not have 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.360 been the same dance throughout. So that is the kind 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.640 of thing where I'm hopeful for nor am I thinking, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.720 by the way, that Elon might is an angel, but 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.200 you know there's problems with Twitter. You know, I don't 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.919 agree with him and everything, But the point is there 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.040 is still a space now, you know. The one of 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.159 my greatest accomplishments of twenty twenty three was getting Roseanne 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.680 bar back on Twitter. And that was just very important 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.720 morally because it's one thing for them to take an 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.959 l it's another thing to have one of their wins 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.520 reversed because then when you start losing ground, it gets 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:24.879 scary and demoralizing. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.280 So you sound downright hopeful. Actually, like you sound more 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:29.720 hopeful than I expected. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:35.120 I am very hopeful because if you have Denche Desuza, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.840 who is like King of the Boomers, talking about like 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:43.320 false flags and you know, FBI radicalizing people and that 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.520 they're the bad guys, and Dan Bongino, who was a cop, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.200 if you have him talking about the police, the fact 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.640 that it's become completely normalized to understand that our government, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.600 the United States government, engages in completely depraved actions on 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:58.640 a regular basis. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.720 This was not part of the Overton window five years ago. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.360 And so like you think it has moved the Overton 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.720 window in the last five years to this. Do you 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.800 feel like something really shifted in the last year, I 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.840 mean kind of. I don't know. I feel like people 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:21.080 are reactive. I'm not sure that they've changed overall. I 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.680 think that there's a lot going on in the last 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.240 you know, maybe year or two that I think that 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.560 they're reacting to. But I don't know. I guess I'm 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.760 not quite as hopeful as you that. For example, if 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.560 Elon had Twitter during COVID, yeah, it would have been 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.920 you know, definitely better. But pandemic two right now happens. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.639 I don't know that we take a wildly different path. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.159 There are certain states that would absolutely even if it 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.080 was literally like let's oppost pandemic to COVID was actually 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.800 as deadly as it was supposed to have been, there 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.240 are certain people and states that were like, I don't care, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.480 it's not real. Like the fact that this growing irrationalism 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.760 has its pluses and its minuses, right. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.800 So some of the minuses I think as people don't 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.639 believe anything at all about, you know, anything they're told, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.560 even when it's it's reliably true. I guess that kind 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.399 of stuff worries me. I feel like you're less worried 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:18.879 about that. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.399 It's not that I'm less worried, it's that I regard 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.959 it as inevitable. So it's kind of like, listen, if 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.359 you're going to have a horse ranch, you're not prepared 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.479 to deal with animals that are how much a horseway 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.359 a ton? Like you're the one with the problem, Like 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.280 this is the situation. You've got a lot of horses. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:36.439 They need a lot of food, they lead a lot 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:37.960 of space, okay, and they're going to they're going to 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.920 poop a lot like if you can't wrap your head. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.680