1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm not big on New Year's resolutions. I don't think 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: anyone keeps to them, and that makes them largely pointless. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: But in twenty sixteen I came up with a fairly 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: easily achievable one to take more pictures of myself by myself. 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: At the time, there was a lot of conversation around 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: women feeling this self loathing, especially women who have had babies, 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: and staying out of photographs. That wasn't really my problem. 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: I might not always love the way I look, but 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: I never shied away from pictures, especially with my kids, 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: and nights out with my husband can certainly include some selfies. 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: But in all of twenty fifteen, a year in which 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I took several thousand pictures of my kids, I realized 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I had a total of five pictures of just me alone. Now, 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: why do I need pictures of myself? Well, why do 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: we need pictures at all? It's nice to look back 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: and feel nostalgia and reminisce about a time worth photographing. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: And why does every picture of me have to include 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: other people? It's not narcissism, it's individualism. I'm a mother 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: and a wife, sure, but I'm someone without them too. 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: I love looking back at photographs from years ago, Like 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: there I am at age five on my first day 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: of school, I spoke no English and had a note 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: pinned to my dress that had all of my information 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: on it. Or at sixteen, all dressed up ready to 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: go out with friends. There's the picture of me under 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: my jam Morrison poster in the horrible basement apartment I 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: lived in in my sophomore year of college. Or the 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: one of me on the Scottish border the first time 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I ever traveled alone. There were other people there, and 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: I have pictures I treasure with them too, but the 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: ones of me by myself really tell my story. So 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, my New Year's resolution was to take 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: more pictures of myself and continue to tell that story. 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: Some people make resolutions to eat better or work out. 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Mine was to have some memories of myself as a 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: person without kids attached to my head. Did it work? 38 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Not exactly. For one thing, it was awkward, of course, 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: to be in your late thirties and snapping selfies of yourself, 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: or worse, handing your phone to someone else and saying, 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: take a picture of me by myself. I wasn't looking 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: to become one of those girls on Instagram with dozens 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: of pictures of themselves each week, often posed in front 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: of walls with a hand on their hip. I just 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: wanted some photographic evidence that I exist apart from other people. Also, 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: remember this, you're never as young as you are in pictures. 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: But now it's years later and I'm more worried about 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: the story of my life through pictures, being all very posed. 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: My husband took this really great picture of me and 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: my friend Lisa Booth recently. We were getting ready to 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: pose for a picture together, you know, one of those 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: pictures where we look at the camp with the exact 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: look we perfected, and smile the exact smile we do 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: in all the photographs, and Lisa said something funny and 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: we both started laughing. It's not a great picture, but 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: I love it so much because it's real and it's amazing. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: If you love looking back at your photographs, you need 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: to make sure to take some candid shots, not just 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: your perfect angles. Take some candid pictures of your friends 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and have them take some of you too. Maybe when 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you're laughing too hard, and your face is all scrunged 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: up when you're imperfect and awkward. Life isn't all great 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: lighting and perfect angles. In thirty years when we look 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: back at our lives right now, we'll appreciate remembering those 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: days as they actually were. Imperfections and all more candid shots. 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, Happy New Year. Coming up next 67 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: in interview with Michael Malice. Join us after the break, Hi, 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on Iheartraate Video. 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: My guest today is Michael Malice. Michael is the host 70 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: of Your Welcome podcast and the author of several books, 71 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: most recently The White Pill, A Tale of Good and Evil. 72 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being on, Michael. 73 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: I like how you're checking your notes to read the 74 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: intro as if we're not friends. 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to mess up 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: the name of your book, Oh White Pill, the Red Pill. 77 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Who knows, I don't even know all the pills have 78 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: read it. It was really good? 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, all. 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Right, I'm not you know, I'm not quite as experience 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: as you. Well, thank you so much for being on. 82 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, SNOD and any New Year's resolutions. 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: I think about this a lot. 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: And I think news resolutions are things that you should 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: look back in your previous year that you did right 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: and kind of be like, let's stick with this because 87 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: that's working right. So I think that because that's the 88 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: kind of resolution you could stick with. So I what 89 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: has worked for me really well in the past year 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: was being completely vicious to people who deserve it on 91 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: social media. And I resolved, and I've been very successful 92 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: with it, and I resolved to be even more ruthless 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: and merciless. 94 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: You know, most people choose to be nicer. 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: But that's that's why you have work for you, really, 96 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: and that's why you had to write the book. 97 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: You have to write because people are nice. 98 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: That's true too. So we have kind of similar origin stories. 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: Both born in the former Soviet Union. Both grew up 100 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. You moved to Texas shortly before I moved 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: to Florida. How's that been going. 102 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: Oh, it's just epic. 103 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: I'm really happy that I'm here, you know, I was 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 2: just this is going to be the most like Brooklyn 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: Jew conversation ever. But I have a buddy of mine. 106 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: He's trapped in Los Angeles. Said he's in a bad situation, 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: And I was just looking at real estate and you 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: could get a nice two bedroom here to buy for 109 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: like I think it was like two hundred thousand or 110 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: two fifty. And it's just like so crazy to me 111 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: that you know, in Brooklyn price is what's that going 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: to be? Like seven hundred thousand minimum. So like the 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, yeah, yeah, 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: the fact that Austin, even though it is exploding, is 115 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: still affordable. The fact that everyone's coming here, everyone comes. 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: I'm surprised you haven't come through here yet, to be honest, 117 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: Like it's become such a waystation for so many pe I've. 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: Went to Dallas a few times, but not Austin. 119 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised, So you'll be here at Have you. 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Made friends, like not like internet? Have you made friends 121 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: not like internet friends, but like situational friends, neighbors and 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: that kind of thing? 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, no no no no. 124 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: So like I am very opposed to a Yeah, I 125 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: like the idea of being again we're born in the 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: Soviet Union. The idea of being friends with my neighbors 127 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: is something that I'm extremely opposed too. I remember once 128 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: and It was a Russian neighbor my first apartment back 129 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: from college, and they were upstairs from me, and like 130 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: I saw them in the hall. 131 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: They're like, we don't hear you, we don't see you. 132 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: You call this a neighbor, And I'm like, that's the 133 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: ideal when I don't hear you and I don't see you. 134 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: Especially in Brooklyn. 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: That's like the problem with the neighbors is that you 136 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: hear them too much, right, Like they're playing the music, 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: they're partying, they're knocking things around. So I don't want 138 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: to know my neighbors. And no, I think all my 139 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: friends are like they're not Internet friends in that we're 140 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: only friends on the Internet, but they're friends, and that 141 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: they all have like some kind of platform that's there. Yeah, 142 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: what's exciting about Austin is there's a lot of cross 143 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: pollination here because you have the bitcoin people, you have 144 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: the comedians, you have the podcasters, you have the biohackers, 145 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: you've got the like white people, stuff like cold plunges, 146 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: and everyone cross pollinates and that makes it really exciting. 147 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Do you wish you got out of New York earlier? No? 148 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: Because I think if you are committed to something that 149 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: means a lot to you, like a marriage, right, you 150 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: should really make sure before you leave that I tried 151 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: everything I could. Otherwise you'd be like, you know what, 152 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, I quit too early. I could have done this, 153 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: I could have done that. You'd have some kind of regrets. 154 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's right. But like New York was 155 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: falling apart for a while, do you feel like you 156 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: know what pushed you out? Ultimately? 157 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: I think first there were several It was several. 158 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: It had to be several things, right, because that one 159 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: thing is going to be like I'm out of here. 160 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: So first of all that it was like a murder 161 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: mystery because my friends got picked off one by one 162 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: they moved away, and I didn't realize until I left 163 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: how lonely it had gotten the fact that all my 164 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: favorite establishments were like destroyed one at a time, so 165 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: there was no place for me to go. And then 166 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: a buddy of mine just she had this quote, she goes, 167 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: why am I funding my own oppression? And it's like, oh, yeah, 168 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: what am I thinking here? So when I saw what 169 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: I could afford here, I have like like a huge 170 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: house like which I could never afford. Like Carol, you 171 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: appreciate this as a Brooklyn night. To have stairs in 172 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: my house is like a miracle, you know what I mean. 173 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: It's just like, oh my god. You know I have 174 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: stared at my house so like that. To have that, 175 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: it's a big deal. 176 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 177 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Do you live like a public life? Do you get 178 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: recognized a lot? Yeah? 179 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: Fair amount. 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: But everyone's very very cool. I've never had an annoying experience. 181 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: They're really because I have a reputation of being I 182 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: can't say the word on the show, but I have 183 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: a reputation. 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: So people are often scared to talk to you say 185 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: the word. Well, it's insufferable tat so I'm. 186 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Scared to talk to you right now. 187 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: But it's so it's a good thing because then people 188 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: don't get too uh like like chummy, which I really 189 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: don't like. So they're very everyone's very very nice. I 190 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: talk to people in the gym all the time, or 191 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: you know, if I runs down the street, and it's 192 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: really fun. 193 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: Do you feel like more of an immigrant there? I 194 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: just feel like once you leave New York, you know, 195 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: the immigrantness that maybe faded into the background becomes more forward. 196 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: I think that less of an immigrant here than New 197 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: York because whenever I'm here, whoever I surround myself with, 198 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: I never have to bite my tongue, Whereas in New York, 199 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: especially like media circles, you never know who you're talking to, 200 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: and you don't know if tomorrow they're going to go 201 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: on their tumbler or on their sub stack and write 202 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: some kind of visionism of the experience we just had 203 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: the night before, which has happened. 204 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: To me and a lot of people in New York. 205 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: Circles, especially the circles you and I travel in, are 206 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: literally like quite mentally ill, and they can pass as normal. 207 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: But then you don't know who you're dealing with. 208 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: So it's a lot easier here in that context in Austin, when. 209 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: You're writing your books, like, do you find them? I 210 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: found The White Pillar very hard to read, and I 211 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I found I liked all of 212 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: your books. I love your writing, you know, I'm a 213 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: big fan, and I wish i'd read more like I 214 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: wish you wrote more often. I wish you were like 215 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: a regular columns because I really really do enjoy your work. 216 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: But do you find it difficult like to write about 217 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, murder, torture, all the things that you cover 218 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: in your books. 219 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just taught an eight hour course for Peterson 220 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: Academy Jordan Peterson about the rise and fall the Soviet Union. 221 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: And there's this one particular. 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 2: Story of Peter Fector who was shot trying to cross 223 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: the Berlin Wall when he was eighteen years old by 224 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: the East Germans, and they he took him an hour 225 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: to die. 226 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: He was bleeding out and. 227 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: They later said he was a fascist, you know, like 228 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: it was just this really, and we have his picture 229 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: and we have the video of them carrying his body. 230 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: And I think it was like ten minutes for me 231 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: to get through this story, and I kept breaking down 232 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know what I'm going 233 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: to do. It was almost like the opposite, like sometimes 234 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: when you get the giggles and you're like, holy crap, 235 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: I can't stop, and then you're like now I'm laughing 236 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: that I'm laughing, and it's like like how do I 237 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: get out of this? 238 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: And I just I don't know how I did it. 239 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: It was horrible. 240 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: And I even told the class, I'm like, you know, 241 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: you write something because you want it to be powerful, 242 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: and then you're like lecturing from it and it is 243 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: powerful and like, now you're a prisoner of your own accomplishment. 244 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: So it was it was I don't know how I 245 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: got through that course. It was a nightmare. 246 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: Did you find White Pill like tougher because it was 247 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: more personal or was it just as hard as like 248 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: your book on North Korea? 249 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: It was much harder because it was much longer in 250 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: terms of the carnage, the amount, and the degrees and 251 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: the types, and the fact that all of it was 252 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: being defended in the West, and the fact that it 253 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: was personal and there was much more of what they 254 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: did to children than in the North Korea stuff, where 255 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: the children almost kind of like secondary whereas here they 256 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: were targeted. 257 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: And when you have the quotes from. 258 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: Westerners being like this is great, and some of these people, 259 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: these organizations are still in power. 260 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a lot, lot tougher. 261 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: Because it's so many more countries for so much, you 262 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: know what I mean, for such a longer period. 263 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: In ways, it was even more brutal. 264 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: What do you think is our largest cultural societal problem 265 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: in the US. I feel like it's related to a 266 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: lot of things you cover in the book, But you know, 267 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: I'd love your take. What do you think is our 268 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: big issue. 269 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: The universities, hands down, no question. 270 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: You solve that problem, everything else will be Domino's. I 271 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: have been calling for this for a very long time. 272 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: I'm hardly unique in that regard. 273 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: Just this morning, Ben Shapiro was tweeting out that you know, 274 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: they're not salvageable. 275 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: It's not just gonna be a little bit of chink 276 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: around the edges. 277 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: The fact that right people are targeting the universities now, 278 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: people who I agree with, the good kind of people, 279 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: is happening faster than I'd hoped for, and that makes 280 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: me very optimistic. And I think what I'm also optimistic 281 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: about is if you look at politicians right, anyone who's 282 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: running for office, they're going to have to have a 283 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: thick skin because. 284 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: They know they're going to be attacked and what's coming 285 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: for them. 286 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: They maybe they won't know what else going to look like. 287 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: They people are going to go after you, and you're 288 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: gonna have to smile a nod. And also people agree 289 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: with you are crazy. You're going to come up to 290 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: you in the campaign trail and be like, oh, you 291 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: know why you're talking about bigfoot and you have to 292 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: be like yeah, yeah, right, like that's the thing. 293 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: Like, as a politician you have to be a bit 294 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: of a pony. 295 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: And journalists are going to be a good conversationalists, quick 296 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: on their tongue often, you know, they're going to be 297 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: able to be articulate and defend themselves to some extent. 298 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: They're going to have their peers, you know, who you 299 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: could commiserate with. But the professors are the lowest to 300 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: the low and they're the weakest, the most vulnerable because 301 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: they're completely cocooned. No one is there to take shots 302 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: of them. They have tenure, so they're in a sense 303 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: isolated and defenseless. So the fact that when they are 304 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: currently and hopefully vastly increasingly escalated targeted, they're really not 305 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: going to know what's hitting them and them watching them 306 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: squeal for mercy is going to be absolutely delicious. And 307 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: it started happening in social media. It's just like my pornography. 308 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a quick break and be 309 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. A lot of 310 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: people in the White Pillar do end up changing their 311 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: minds about the Soviet Union, even though they you know, 312 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: it takes them a while, and a lot of people 313 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: don't change their minds. A lot of people, you know, 314 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: stay committed to the end that this nothing bad is 315 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: going on. But you know, I'm encouraged by the fact 316 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people in your book 317 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: who you document having their minds changed, And do you 318 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: feel like that's what's happening now in the US. 319 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I am very skeptical of these like Wittiker Chambers types 320 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: who you know, are on the side of pure evil 321 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: and then see the light and then kind of like 322 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: become a snitch. 323 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: Like they have their purpose. 324 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: But I will always be a little suspicious of them 325 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: because when things are so demonic and you kind of 326 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: don't don't like you're you know, like how human beings 327 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: have evolved that when we were on sociopaths, like the 328 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: hair in the back of our neck like stands up 329 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: a bit like that we have some kind of Spidey sense. 330 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: So if you're if you're at that level when you 331 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: are like on the side of evil and you're like, oh, 332 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: they're even more evil than I thought. It's like I 333 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: don't have much use for you, or like I have 334 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: used for you, but it's gonna be very arm's length. 335 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: What I'm most excited about is. 336 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: You know, I always say that we don't need a majority, 337 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: we need an alternative. And I would just encourage people 338 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: listening to this to imagine if Elon had bought Twitter 339 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: before COVID, and how different the COVID regime would is, 340 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: assuming he survived the pressures. How different the role I 341 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: would have been. If you had one site, one prominent 342 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: site where there was some element of discussion and debate allowed, 343 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: it would have been a very very different story. Now 344 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: it may have played out the same in that they 345 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: would have won, but point being, it would not have 346 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: been the same dance throughout. So that is the kind 347 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: of thing where I'm hopeful for nor am I thinking, 348 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: by the way, that Elon might is an angel, but 349 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: you know there's problems with Twitter. You know, I don't 350 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: agree with him and everything, But the point is there 351 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: is still a space now, you know. The one of 352 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: my greatest accomplishments of twenty twenty three was getting Roseanne 353 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: bar back on Twitter. And that was just very important 354 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: morally because it's one thing for them to take an 355 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 2: l it's another thing to have one of their wins 356 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: reversed because then when you start losing ground, it gets 357 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: scary and demoralizing. 358 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: So you sound downright hopeful. Actually, like you sound more 359 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: hopeful than I expected. 360 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: I am very hopeful because if you have Denche Desuza, 361 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: who is like King of the Boomers, talking about like 362 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: false flags and you know, FBI radicalizing people and that 363 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: they're the bad guys, and Dan Bongino, who was a cop, 364 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: if you have him talking about the police, the fact 365 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: that it's become completely normalized to understand that our government, 366 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: the United States government, engages in completely depraved actions on 367 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: a regular basis. 368 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: This was not part of the Overton window five years ago. 369 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: And so like you think it has moved the Overton 370 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: window in the last five years to this. Do you 371 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: feel like something really shifted in the last year, I 372 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: mean kind of. I don't know. I feel like people 373 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: are reactive. I'm not sure that they've changed overall. I 374 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot going on in the last 375 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe year or two that I think that 376 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: they're reacting to. But I don't know. I guess I'm 377 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: not quite as hopeful as you that. For example, if 378 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: Elon had Twitter during COVID, yeah, it would have been 379 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, definitely better. But pandemic two right now happens. 380 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: I don't know that we take a wildly different path. 381 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: There are certain states that would absolutely even if it 382 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: was literally like let's oppost pandemic to COVID was actually 383 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: as deadly as it was supposed to have been, there 384 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: are certain people and states that were like, I don't care, 385 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: it's not real. Like the fact that this growing irrationalism 386 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: has its pluses and its minuses, right. 387 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: So some of the minuses I think as people don't 388 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: believe anything at all about, you know, anything they're told, 389 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: even when it's it's reliably true. I guess that kind 390 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: of stuff worries me. I feel like you're less worried 391 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: about that. 392 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: It's not that I'm less worried, it's that I regard 393 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 2: it as inevitable. So it's kind of like, listen, if 394 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: you're going to have a horse ranch, you're not prepared 395 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 2: to deal with animals that are how much a horseway 396 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: a ton? Like you're the one with the problem, Like 397 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: this is the situation. You've got a lot of horses. 398 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: They need a lot of food, they lead a lot 399 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: of space, okay, and they're going to they're going to 400 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: poop a lot like if you can't wrap your head. 401 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: Around, like get it, get out of the ranch. 402 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 2: So if you are prepared to have this kind of 403 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: wacky enlightenment idea that if we all sit down and 404 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: put all the facts forward, people are going to come 405 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: to the truth. 406 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I think you're a crazy person. 407 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: So do you personally feel like you've made it? You're saying, 408 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, you think that the world has gotten maybe 409 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: the country's gotten better in the last few years. Do 410 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: you think Michael Malice has made it? 411 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: I know that the country's gotten better so much as 412 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: the population in certain segments of them have gotten exponentially better. 413 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: I think the country has gotten much much worse in 414 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: many ways. 415 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: But I do know that I've made it. And you'll 416 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: appreciate this as a fellow immigrant. 417 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Clarification, that's right, Yeah, you'll appreciate this as a fellow immigrant. 418 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: Because I own Margaret Thatcher's bookcases, so when I put 419 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: them in my living room, I'm like, all right, Like 420 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: as an immigrant, you know, to own her furniture, which 421 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: is kind of caitchy whatever it's old lady for bookcases. 422 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, like I've made it, and I. 423 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: Also think this is something important I think people listen to. 424 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: My definition of making it is really really low. My 425 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: definition of making it is if you have a job 426 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: that you enjoy, right, and you can pay your rent. 427 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: You could go on trips once in a while. If 428 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: you go out to a restaurant, you don't have to 429 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: think twice, and you could take your ubers and not 430 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: be like cra this is an issue. That's it, and 431 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: you don't have to be Jerry Seinfeldt made it as 432 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: a comedian. You could just be someone with a nice 433 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: one bedroom apartment, right and you have your dinners and 434 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: you don't have a day job. 435 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: That's to me. Yeah, you've made it. 436 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, you're one of my favorite people. 437 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: So I'd love to see a missus malice, Like where 438 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: are we on that? 439 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: I don't ever meet humans like I don't leave the house. 440 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: That's why you should be friends with your neighbors. 441 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: God, could you imagine dating your neighbors? Like, my god, Yeah, 442 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: I guess that's like what that's like some kind of 443 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: that's like what friends is. They didn't date, you know, 444 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: they date each other chand learned people do it, you know, Yeah, 445 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: yeah that's true. Yeah, but I don't know there is 446 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: a lot of like, yeah, like, my biggest turn off 447 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 2: is basic and I think there's a lot of that 448 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: here in Austin. 449 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you could expand beyond Austin. I think those 450 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: the apps let you, you know, put in a mile range. 451 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, I have my app to twenty five miles. 452 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: But it's still annoying. It's it's not fun, all right. 453 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: Well, still, I'm rooting for twenty twenty four, the year 454 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: of missus Malice. You know, I hope we make it happen. 455 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: And here with your best tip for my listeners to 456 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: improve their lives. 457 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to preface this by saying I hate giving 458 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: people advice because I don't think most people are in 459 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: a position to receive it. You know, they want validation 460 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: and they're not really there to hear it. But one 461 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: piece of advice I do feel comfortable giving to everyone 462 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: is know what your boundaries are and be comfortable enforcing them, 463 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: because too many people feel comfortable letting other people walk 464 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: all over them. They feel uncomfortable saying, no, what if 465 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: this person hates me? What if this is problem with 466 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: my boss? And it's better at the problems with your 467 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: boss than with you, because when you get older, when 468 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: you meet your maker and you look back on your life, 469 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: are you going to be like, you know what, like 470 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: if I lost that job, is that such a big deal? 471 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: What kind of person do you want to be? 472 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: Do you want to be a person who you don't 473 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: have to pitch a fit at the office, you don't 474 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: have to be annoying with your friends. But at certain 475 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: point it's like, you know what, this doesn't make me 476 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: comfortable and if they don't like it, that's their problem. 477 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: Quite literally, is their problem. 478 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: You have a right to your views, you have a 479 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: right to your life, and you have a right to 480 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: tell people know and you know you don't even know 481 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: them an explanation. You know, if Carol, if you had said, 482 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: you know what, is there an issue we don't want 483 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: to talk about and I said no, and you said why, 484 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to get into it, you 485 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, I respect that, and that's fine. 486 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: And if people don't respect that, this is not someone 487 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: who is. You're having a good relationship with Andrews. 488 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much for being on Michael. 489 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: You are the best. I can't wait to read anything 490 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: you write. Please come again soon. Thanks so much for 491 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. 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