1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Today's episode contains a discussion surrounding substance abuse and recovery. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised. Hey everyone, welcome back to Bachler 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Happy Hour. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: A good friend of mine. Our guest today, Zach Clark. Zach, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: welcome to Batcher Happy Hour. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: I can thank I can finally cross it off the 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 3: resentment list. We only run together once a week, and 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: I've never been asked to come on your damn podcast. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: So here, I am. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Well. I mean, I don't do the casting. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna blame that one on producers. 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: It's weird. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm joking. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, to interview you is a little strange because 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: we are we are good friends, but we also talk 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: all the time. So I feel like I know I 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: know a lot, but maybe our audience doesn't. 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: Or maybe you'll learn more today, Maybe. 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: I will learn more today. 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: I'm here. You can ask about the thing. I'm grateful 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: to be here and I'm grateful to have you guys 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: my life as friends. So all good, Okay, Zach? 24 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: What have you been up to lately? What's new? 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 3: What's new? Leaving Sunday I don't know when this will air, 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: but I'm leaving Sunday to around the London Marathon as 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: part of the nonprofit Release Foundation, which will be fun. 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: And then shortly after that we have our gala in 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: New York City every year, which you guys came to 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: last year. That's all in the name of, you know, 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: helping people who can't afford to get behavioral health care services, 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: so substance abuse and mental health, which is a huge 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: passion of mine. Other than that, man, you know, there's 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: a whole other side of that, which is which is 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: my livelihood, the business Release Recovery, which we operate in 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: New York City and up in Westchester County, and we've 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: just been growing. It's been amazing to see we're helping 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: a lot of people. Like I always whenever I'm on 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: one of these podcasts, I always just say, you know, 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: if you're feeling alone and you don't have anyone to 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: talk to, you, please reach out to me. Will respond 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: and will get you the help that that you need 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: as it relates to substance abuse and mental health. And 44 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: outside of that, man, like, I'm trying to actually just 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: slow down a little bit. I just run too hard 46 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: so well. 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: You brought all the time. Actually, I okay, a few 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: things to what you said. Serena is not going to 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: be able to make the galup, but I will just 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: why I. 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: In spirit, I'm actually bummed I'm missing it, which for 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: those listing, it's like a really fun party. Maybe isn't 53 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: what people would expect when they hear about a charity gala. 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: But I will be there. 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like that's the good thing though, Serena, 56 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: that you said that means a lot to me because 57 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: like when you think about charity galas, you think of 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: you know a lot of them. I've been to her 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: kind of boring, to a. 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: Certain a white tablecloth banquet hall. 61 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 3: You know, we have a party, and that's by design 62 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: because I feel like when people get sober they have 63 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: to stop drinking, which I did thirteen years ago. They're 64 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: convinced that their life is over. And then you walk 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: into a room like that and you're like, people are partying. 66 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Here, and you do have for our listeners at this gala, 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: you do have alcohol, so if you do drink, it's 68 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: an option. 69 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's by design. 70 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: Why they Yeah, I was just going to ask you what, Yeah, 71 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: why make that choice. 72 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: Well, I just I think there's a lot of energy 73 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: that goes into when someone gets sober. Other people have 74 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: to change their behaviors, and I think that's actually the opposite. 75 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: For me. When I got sober, I wanted the people 76 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: around me to feel like they could continue to live 77 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: their life however they were living it. And actually I've 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: been able to do all the things in sobriety that 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: I was able to do when I was drinking. Go 80 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: to games, go to events, go to concerts, all that stuff. 81 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: And so we want to show people who are asking 82 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: for help or who are getting sober that they can 83 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: go to an event like that where other people are drinking, 84 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: they can get through the night sober and they can 85 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: have a good time. 86 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I think that's I think that's 87 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: an important message because even like when you and I 88 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: first like we had met, but then like when we 89 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: started hanging out and I saw you running on the 90 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: West Side Highway, you said to me like, yo, if 91 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: you guys like go to a bar and do something like, 92 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: let me know. And I think, like I think in 93 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: my head I probably thought, like you would feel uncomfortable 94 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: going to a bar not knowing you know, just being 95 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: ignorant to the entire space. So I found it interesting. 96 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: I mean we've talked a lot about I mean, that 97 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: was awesome, the way that we ran into each other. 98 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: I feel like it was meant to happen when it 99 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: was meant to happen, Like I was at a point 100 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: in my life when I was like looking for guy friends. 101 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: I can say that honestly, And it's been, you know, 102 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: nice to build a relationship with you the last couple 103 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: of years. And that's true. Like I think people who 104 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: don't understand this thing would assume that I don't want 105 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: to go to a bar and watch a game, or 106 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to be around alcohol, and it's actually, 107 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: you know, for me, my whole life is recovery, my work, 108 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: my my personally. So I actually enjoy going to places 109 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: where there's alcohol because I get a little bit of 110 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: this secondhand smoke and that energy you know, yeah. 111 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the second hand smoke. 112 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. No. 113 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I've had friends. 114 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: One of my one of my best friend's sisters, I remember, 115 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 4: was dating someone. 116 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: She started dating someone who. 117 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: Was sober just by choice, just decided to remove alcohol 118 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: from their life. And she was like, I don't know 119 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: if I can do this, Like I don't know if 120 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 4: I can date someone who's sober, Like I like to 121 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 4: go out, I like to have fun, I like to party, 122 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 4: and like her experience was really positive, and I think 123 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: that that's like on a small scale, like a way 124 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: that someone broke the stigma in her life around what 125 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: it means to be sober. And I feel like your 126 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: you know, foundation and the party that you throw is 127 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: kind of on a bigger scale, a way to be like, hey, 128 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: like we you know, life isn't over when you stop drinking. 129 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: I feel like it actually even inspired U Joe to 130 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: drink less, like you will now go out and order 131 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: on mocktail when we first got together, like you would 132 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: never have done that. 133 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I drink way less, and I feel I 134 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: actually feel so much better. Like I had a non 135 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: alcohol bear for dinner last night, and it was I 136 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: enjoy them more than I enjoyed beer with alcohol, because 137 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't get as full or feel as like my 138 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: head doesn't get as cloudy. I have a question for you, Zach, 139 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to non alcoholic drinks, if you're somebody 140 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: that struggles with substance abuse when it comes to alcohol. 141 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's still somewhat of a temptation 142 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: or it could trigger some people. 143 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: I go two ways with this thing. I think there's 144 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: some beauty and the healthy alternative and giving people an 145 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: option and to feel like they can fit in by 146 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: having a non alcoholic beer or a mocktail that maybe 147 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: people think is a cocktail, right, I don't. I know 148 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: of cases where that, yes, has triggered people to go 149 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 3: out and get drunk because it's so close to that 150 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: taste that they remember and something goes off in their brain. 151 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: So for me, anytime someone's newly in recovery, I kind 152 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 3: of encourage them to shy away from the mocktails early 153 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 3: on and then kind of maybe you graduate to that. 154 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: I don't drink them personally, just because I just like 155 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: the taste of a club soda with some granberry juice 156 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: and a line better. That's just me. But at the 157 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: same time, I think there's a whole movement happening which 158 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: you're seeing, which is people aren't getting sober, they're just 159 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: understanding that alcohol is not the best for you, so 160 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: they're looking for healthier alternatives. And I think that's fantastic. 161 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there is, and I know there's like a 162 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: big trend right now. I think it's more of a 163 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: West Coast thing, but a lot of like bodybuilder gyms 164 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: are now carrying like non alcoholic beer because like the cars, 165 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: the carbs and the beer are actually like I guess 166 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: your body's craving that after. 167 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: Ethox have it when we went in la Or was 168 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: that just when we were talking about it? 169 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: No, I think I was talking. I think I was talking. 170 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: About Okay, the last thing I want after a workout 171 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: is to crush an ipa. 172 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: God's insane. 173 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Zach. Let's talk a little bit 174 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: about Grant's father. How did you? How did that relationship 175 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: again between you and him? 176 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Rob Man? So, I mean, these are the stories 177 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: that you just can't make up. And I you know, 178 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: I I'll say this, and you guys kind of know this. 179 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: I have not stayed really well connected in the Bachelor universe, 180 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: which is not by design. I don't. I actually have 181 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: zero bad things to say about my experience and my time, 182 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: and I met so many beautiful people. I just I 183 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: kind of got back to my life and here I am. 184 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: But the thing that I still know from that experience 185 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: is I mean, I had it. This morning. A guy 186 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: called me to go speak at his company's event and 187 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: he just said, my daughter saw you. She's sober. She says, 188 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: you have a great story and I'd love you, know 189 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: so like to this day, that is still the thing 190 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: that people know about me. I think from that experience 191 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: or know is a big part of my life, which 192 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: is why I try to be loud and proud about 193 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: the work that we do. And so this world, I mean, 194 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: there has been, you know, multiple cases of people that 195 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: are in this bachelor world that have reached out to 196 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: me confidentially and have asked me how I got sober, 197 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: what I was doing to stay sober, how my journey started. 198 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: And I feel like I've been able to be a 199 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: resource for a lot of people that I that I 200 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: haven't and won't share publicly because that's not my place. 201 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: It's their story to tell. But with Rob, it was 202 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: really interesting. So Rob ended up in a treatment center 203 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: that we have a really good relationship with out in 204 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: New Jersey called Alina Lodge. He was basically at the 205 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: end of his time using and asked for help. And 206 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: those folks who know me know that I'm kind of 207 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 3: connected to the show, and so he ended up going 208 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 3: to a little kind of sober living program in New 209 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: Jersey after going to We Have And it was at 210 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: that time that someone connected us and said, you need 211 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: to know Zach because he's you know, affiliated with the 212 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: show world. Yeah, and and and he reached out to 213 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: me man, and he was in a lot of pain, 214 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: Like he was in a lot of pain. He was 215 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: at a point in his life where he was having 216 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: to move on from his the environment he was in. 217 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: He was well behind payments on his sober living, and 218 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 3: so he filled out for a scholarship through the Release 219 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: Foundation and we were able to get him the ability 220 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: to access some funds to pay for his sober living 221 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: and get up to date with the payments. So the 222 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: money you raise Joe and you run the marathon for 223 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: us and Serena when you always support Joe and come 224 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: to our galley like that, those funds went towards helping him. 225 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: And it didn't matter that it was Grant's dad, Like 226 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: I didn't give I didn't give a crap about that, 227 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: Like it was just someone that needed to help, right, 228 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: Like that's that's the moral of the story. And then 229 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: we got to talking and I started to talk to 230 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: some of the people that were in his care and 231 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: I just said, does this guy need a job, And 232 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: turns out he needed a job and a place to live. 233 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: And so we have at Release Recovery, which is where 234 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: it gets a little confusing. We have the nonprofit and 235 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: then we have the you know, the more for profit 236 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: entity where we're doing treatment and we're getting people the 237 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 3: services they need in house. And so he you know, 238 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: he interviewed and he showed up in a suit and 239 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: tie and he makes I mean, this guy's he's a 240 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: character and everyone loves him. So, you know, we ended 241 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: up giving him a job and now we're kind of 242 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: on this journey together, shoulder to shoulder. It's been an amazing, 243 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: amazing transformation to watch him kind of become the man 244 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: that he is today. 245 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: How many years have you been sober? 246 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: August will be fourteen? 247 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: Fourteen years. 248 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 4: Do you celebrate, like, do you do something to commemorate it? 249 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: It's different, It's different every year year. Sometimes I like 250 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: to kind of look inward and kind of just not 251 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. I put something out on 252 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: social media, and typically people engage with that and and 253 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: it becomes a bigger thing than probably you know, the 254 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: reason we celebrate in sobriety is to show the next 255 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: person that it's possible, right, Like, that's really the reason 256 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: you celebrate. For me. I just I know that I've 257 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: been given a life beyond my wildest dreams. And you know, 258 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: this bizarre experience of going on this show has helped 259 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: kind of enhance my ability to help people. 260 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I was going to ask, when did so fourteen years 261 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: ago you turn sober? When do you start? When did 262 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: you start release? From that point? 263 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: So we started late like late twenty sixteen, you know, 264 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: late twenty sixteen. So we've been at this thing for 265 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: I guess like eight or nine years now. It's crazy. Wow. 266 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean it's going to five years as I went 267 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: on the show, which is wild. I mean, like time 268 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: is what were you guy? You guys were on? I mean, 269 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: Joe you were on like six times, but. 270 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: I was on before you, and then I've been on 271 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: after you, and I don't think I'm going on again. 272 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, no time. 273 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: But year was the first year you went on? When 274 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: you went on twenty eighteen, that's wild? I was on 275 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: why was the season after you? 276 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: Zac? 277 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: So it's been four. 278 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: Years you know, were matched five years five is. 279 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: I was Matt James, I was Nema Collon. So you're 280 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: we had just finished filming when the season you were 281 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: on was like wrapping up. Yeah, like in terms of airing, 282 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: but it feels like not that long ago and also 283 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 4: like a million years ago. I feel like my life 284 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: has changed so much in that four year time. Oh yeah, 285 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: from like when I first went on to now. 286 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: Well we're in Montreal right now, Srina's going for her 287 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: green card. 288 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: So my interview for you guys, I mean, like, look, 289 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: I think you guys are kind of like the gold standard. 290 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: I mean I know you personally right, like I know 291 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: you somewhat intimately, Like you were at my birthday dinner 292 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: and you we hang out and we share meals, and 293 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: it's like for everyone else, like what you see with 294 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: them here is what you get in real life. I mean, 295 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: you guys are just two of the best. It's a fact. 296 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: So thank you. 297 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: Can you for our listeners break down the difference between 298 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: because you have the foundation and then you have release recovery? Yeah, 299 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 4: can you just break down like the difference between the 300 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: two and if someone's looking for help, like why they 301 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: might go to one versus why they might go to 302 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: the other. 303 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: So nice that you're asking me this, I always feel bad. 304 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: I don't know why I have this weird thing promoting myself. 305 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: I mean, some people are so good at it and 306 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: so comfortable with it, and I just, I mean, we. 307 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Could we could pivot and talk about your experience on 308 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: The Bachelor. You want to go to Night one? Do 309 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: you want to talk about your Night one? 310 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: I will tell you about Night one. Night one. I 311 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: don't know who it was, but like, they're like, what 312 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: do you want to do when you get out in 313 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: the limo? I was like, I'm gonna get out and 314 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: say hello, that was the guys. I think I think 315 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: your time is probably going to be better spent, you know, 316 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: convincing someone else to jump out of a plane or 317 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: some shit, because I'm just gonna. 318 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: Say, hi, is that what you did? 319 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? I just it was Claire and Claire and Claire 320 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: is you know she's I'm so happy that she's happy. 321 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: It's amazing. I literally got out, I said, I said hello, 322 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: I forget who I know? Dale was in my limo. 323 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: I think Moye no, yeah, but I don't know. It's 324 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: crazy though, to think about yeah, I. 325 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Had the same exp I did the same thing. I 326 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: said like I'm just gonna I'm gonna just say hi. 327 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: And I remember the producer that I was speaking to 328 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: at the times like okay you sure. I'm like yeah, 329 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, just have something to say. Like I 330 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: got it, And of course I fucked it up. But 331 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: I kind of wish I because I'm like you, I'm like, 332 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm not doing no nothing, no gimmick out of the 333 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: out of limo, but like I kinda I kind of. 334 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: Wish I did a bit of a crutch when you 335 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: have get me well you know you all right? 336 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: I I did like a baby gimmick. I did a 337 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: step stool because Matt James is like six five and 338 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: I'm five to one, so I was I did like 339 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: a I brought something to like get on your level 340 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: so we can see eye to eye, and like made 341 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: him like help me on the step stool and then 342 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: I stepped down and yeah, it was it was. 343 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: I was glad. 344 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: I'm like not a I mean, I can chat, but 345 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 4: like I was like, I'm not. I don't want to 346 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: come out and like have a speech. 347 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 348 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: I was like I'm gonna get nervous if I'm just gabbing. 349 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: So I wanted like a little prop or something to rely. 350 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: On, and it worked out. I thought it was. It 351 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: went well, yeah, but all right, let's pivot back. 352 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: We gave yourself promotion love, right, we did our. 353 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: We showed bachelors some love. We could always circle back later. 354 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: Let's promote your business first and just people more incident. 355 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: So the longest short of it isn't like I started 356 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: Release Recovery, which is we started as kind of high end, 357 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: highly structured transitional living for people coming out of rehabs 358 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: that they go away for drug and alcohol or mental 359 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: health treatment. They come back to New York City or 360 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: Westchester County, which is just north of the city, and 361 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: they lived with us for three to six months, and 362 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: we helped them, you know, get back to living a 363 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: purposeful life. And so that's obviously evolved, right. The first 364 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: thing we did was in late twenty nineteen, so really 365 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: like right before I went on the show, we we 366 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: kind of looked at what we were doing and said, 367 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 3: we want to help more people, right, we want to 368 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: broaden our ability to help more people, and that was 369 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 3: going to be through some nonprofit work. So we started 370 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: the Release Foundation, which is today we raise a couple 371 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: million dollars a year and that money goes towards scholarshiping 372 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: individual from communities that otherwise could not afford treatment to 373 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: call us or you know, write us, and we run 374 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: like a very brief kind of financial check on them, 375 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: and they do an application, but as long as they 376 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: can prove to us that they require this funding, we 377 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: will write the check and help them go away and 378 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: get and get the help they deserve. So that's been awesome, right, Like, 379 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: that's been really cool. And that's a lot of the 380 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: stuff you see me doing on social media with the 381 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: marathon running and the the gala and some of the 382 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: other stuff that you guys have been to and participated in. 383 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 3: And then the the other side, which is and we 384 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: don't really send money from the nonprofit to the for profit. 385 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: There's a pretty pretty firm line there. But the for profit, 386 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: you know, the recovery services business. Today, we have about 387 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: one hundred employees right until. We're operating in New York 388 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: City and Westchester still and we still have our I'm 389 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: sitting in my office here in Flat Iron, which is 390 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: a couple of blocks from where you guys live, and 391 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: you know, we really specialize in helping our clients and 392 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: our patients and our families, you know, heal from mental 393 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 3: health and substance abuse challenges, which you know today are 394 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: just ravaging our country right. People are alone, people are 395 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: not doing well, and so they come into our care. 396 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: And in Westchester is where kind of my chief medical 397 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 3: officer and our clinicians and a lot of the therapy 398 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: has done. But we still have sixty some odd residential 399 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: beds throughout New York City and Westchester. And so what 400 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 3: I tell people like, no matter who you are and 401 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: where you are in this process, if you want help, 402 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: or if you have someone in your life that wants help, 403 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: you can you can call us or dm ME, which 404 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: I try to get back to, and I guarantee that 405 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: we will. If it's not with us, find you a 406 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: safe place where you can start to heal. And so 407 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: it's been a wild ride. I mean, watching the growth 408 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: over the last year, we've kind of hit another level. 409 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: It's been It's been really cool. And so I'm the 410 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: CEO and founder. I mean, I'm not working as hard 411 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: as I was probably a year ago, but I'm working 412 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: differently and just trying to help help this thing push forward. 413 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: What if you struggle from not substance abuse, like let's say, 414 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: like a gambling addiction, could they come to you guys 415 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: as well, or is it just solely like struggling with 416 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: substance abuse. 417 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: So we see a lot of what they call co 418 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: occurring disorders, right, So someone might come in with a 419 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 3: substance use disorder, which is a kind of a nicer 420 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: and softer way to say drug addiction or alcoholism, right, 421 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: a substance use disorder, and they might have like a 422 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: secondary which is a you know, a process addiction, which 423 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: gambling falls into that category. So we see a lot 424 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: of that. There's there's sex addiction, there's you know, food addiction. 425 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: So a lot of times it's kind of like whack 426 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: a mole, Right, someone might have the substitute disorder under control, 427 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: but then all of a sudden you'll see them gambling 428 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: a lot or whatever it might be. And so we 429 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: do see a lot of that. My sense or my 430 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: my bet or my gamble for lack of a better word, 431 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: is that gambling. In five years, we're going to look 432 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: back on this conversation and you're gonna say, Zach was right, 433 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: because I think that's kind of the next thing that 434 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: you're going to start to see really impacting our country 435 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: in a negative way. I mean, I I think, like 436 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: I'll hold up my cell phone, like I always laugh 437 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: because parents work so hard to get their kids into 438 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: the nicest schools and keep them safe and all that stuff, 439 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: and then they pay for them to go like hang 440 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: out in the most dangerous you know, neighborhoods in the world, 441 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: which is the which is the cell phone TikTok and 442 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: all that stuff. I mean, there's just so much tend 443 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: you can gamble on your phone, So I think it's 444 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: gonna get worse before it gets better. 445 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, we have to answer. 446 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: Your question directly. I mean, if like someone calls us 447 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: with a gambling issue, we will we will see if 448 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: we're the right fit, and if we're not, we'll get 449 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: them into the right program. 450 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: And you have those connections to you know, send them 451 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: somewhere else. 452 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's pivot up a little bit too, because I 453 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 5: was lucky enough you invited me to run the New 454 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 5: York Marathon with you two years ago and in last 455 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 5: year as well, and I got I got sick, motherfucker. 456 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: I was so pissed. I'm still I was like, everyone's 457 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of think I'm faking it, But you have run. Now, 458 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: how many marathons? Fifteen fifty. 459 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: Is this weekend? Or sixteen is this weekend? Ten New 460 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: York to London's in Nashville and Grandma's. I think this 461 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: is fifteen this weekend. 462 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: If in this weekend is doing loved Yeah, this. 463 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: Is sixteen, This is sixteen. 464 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: You're doing London this weekend. 465 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sunday, that's so exciting. 466 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: What is the London marathon? 467 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: Like the best flat, great crowd points, the point you 468 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: drive like way out of the city and then you 469 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: kind of just run back in. But I mean all 470 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: of these marathons, if you're listening and forget all my 471 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: spiel on behavioral healthcare, like running is all those community 472 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 3: mean you felt that when you ran the New York 473 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: City marathon, Mean this crowds are insane. 474 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 475 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the energy in the city was amazing. 476 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 3: So that you're running. 477 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started running and I've been on three runs. 478 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 4: All three were horrible. Every second was suffering. But my 479 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: one of my best friends is starting a run club 480 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: in Toronto and their first run is this coming Friday. 481 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: It's her and her boyfriend. They're both in incredible shape. 482 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 4: They're both like work in instructors and personal trainers. And 483 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: she's actually not really a runner, but he is. He 484 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 4: just did hydrocks actually, which I don't know if you 485 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 4: know what that is, but it's like, yeah, anyway, I 486 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 4: really wanted to go support her. And that doesn't mean 487 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 4: like I'm gonna be running at the front of the pack, 488 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: but I was like, I just want to be able 489 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 4: to get through like four or five kilometers, even if 490 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 4: it's like a walk run. 491 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: So Joe, oh. 492 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: Miles, and and Joe was like, I'll take you for 493 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 4: a little bit of a run, and he's just helping me, 494 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 4: like pace and stuff. I mean, Joe's thing was like, 495 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 4: let's run seven miles to no. But on the first 496 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 4: run he was like, let's keep going. 497 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm like I have to get home. I have to 498 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: run back. 499 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just you you're doing You're doing 500 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: really good. But like we we ran like a mile 501 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: and then I was like, Okay, let's see if you 502 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: could and stopping and going and breaking up, but let's 503 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: try to get two miles. Let's try to get three miles. 504 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: And then yeah, you know, slowly, slowly, let's build the 505 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: three mile. 506 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 4: My last run, I did like a pretty good two 507 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: miles up to Central Park. 508 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: And we did Yeah, we ran uphill, you know, running 509 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: up to Central Parks, running up, running up a steep 510 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: somewhat of a steep hill. 511 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: So well, yeah, I don't think I'm going to be 512 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: a marathon runner, but I'm happy to be a part 513 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: of the running community for a little bit, right. 514 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 3: I love beginner runners because you'll look back on this 515 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: conversation you will run a marathon, or you will run 516 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: a distance that you never thought you could run. It's 517 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: just the way that these things always go. 518 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happened to me when you saw 519 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: me running on the West Side Highway, like my my 520 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: max run at the time. I don't think I ever 521 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: did over five miles, and I would say I was 522 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: probably running an average of like three. And You're like, 523 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: are you going to run the race? I was like, 524 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: what race? The marathon? I was like, I doubt it. 525 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, six months later, I ran the marathon. 526 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: So but I want to ask you, so I just gotta. 527 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 3: Tell me college, hold on on you, Joe. This is 528 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 3: this guy for people that are this guy's is sick, oh, 529 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 3: because he acts like he just ran the mess. So 530 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: he tells me he's gonna run the marathon. He trains 531 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: a little bit right here and there. 532 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: Truly a little bit. Well, because it was the year 533 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: of our wedding, wasn't it. Yeah wedding, Yeah, And. 534 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 3: He showed you had a wedding like that Saturday or something. 535 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 3: You flew in like late Saturday night. 536 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: You're like, I think you had TIA's Tia Booth's wedding. 537 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 538 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: So our wedding for those listening was that September. So 539 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 4: we had our wedding and our honeymoon. So September you 540 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 4: like barely ran, yeah, and then October was whatever. And 541 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: then I remember the weekend of the marathon was Tia 542 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 4: Booth's wedding. We flew to Nashville, we went to her 543 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: welcome party that Friday, flew back Saturday, and then you 544 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: ran the marathon on Sunday. And I remember my dad 545 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 4: calling being like I'm a little worried about him, like 546 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: is he gonna be okay? Like he has not trained 547 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 4: that much, and I was like, well, we're gonna find out. 548 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: So this dude goes I'm gonna run a sub forest 549 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: and in my head, I will be honest with you, now, 550 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way, Like, there's no way, 551 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: and you bit down on the mouthpiece and would you 552 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 3: like three fifty eight like you got you got it done? 553 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 3: Which was I just just. 554 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Got it by the skin of my teeth. 555 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I was very impressed. You have great endurance, 556 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: but I did. 557 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: That's that's the point, and that's Zax's point too, Like 558 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have great endurance like all. It just it's 559 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: just like just running. 560 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: No, I know, But I mean I would say there 561 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 4: would be people that have trained a lot more. Most 562 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 4: people trained a lot more than you and ran it 563 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: not as fast as you, not saying that there's people. 564 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: That really go for like I mean, Zach runs it 565 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: close to three hours. 566 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Zach's an animal. He's running all the time. 567 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: How so question, so when you go out to somewhere 568 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: like London, right and you guys are doing the marathon, 569 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: how how does that relate to like how is release recover, 570 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: recovery incorporated in that race? Like, are you guys part 571 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: of that at all? 572 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? So we're really lucky. So we have twenty five 573 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: bibs to the London Marathon, which means we have a 574 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: team of twenty five people. I am one of them 575 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: going over to London or are in London, which is 576 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: a hard race to get into from a charity perspective, 577 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: and each one of their runners will raise a minimum 578 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 3: of five thousand dollars. So if we do the quick math, 579 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: that's like one hundred and twenty five some odds thousand 580 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: dollars that's being raised for the nonprofit through these efforts, 581 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: and then a lot of those folks will go above 582 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: and beyond that. So these events are key for us. 583 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: And I'll say, like, you know, the donations, whether it 584 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: be a dollar or five dollars, ten dollars, one hundred dollars, 585 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: like they all matter and they all make a difference 586 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: towards our ultimate goal, which is to help as many 587 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: people as possible. Like I'm not going to go on 588 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: my like insurance industry and all the issues they are rant, 589 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 3: but there's not enough good healthcare available for people like me. 590 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: If people want to donate, where can they go? 591 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: So it's Release Recovery Foundation anyway, It's Joeansarena dot com 592 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: and Happy Hour No, It's released for Refoundation dot org. 593 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: You can also, I always say, like, d M the 594 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: Instagram which is just released Recovery Foundation, you can DM me. 595 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: You know, like we're pretty good at we got people 596 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: watching kind of all the channels to get back the 597 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: folks that want to support us. I'll actually probably be 598 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: posting something this week about my efforts this weekend, and 599 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: and like it's just you know, we we we broke 600 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: some stones on this call, but it is really meaningful 601 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: for you guys to have me on here and to 602 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: talk about this stuff because you know, I don't know 603 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: why people will listen. I'm sure just because they love 604 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 3: you and and and the show, but uh, it's it's 605 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: an important thing to be talking about right now. 606 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: And you you recently well I think at least it's 607 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: been about a year. You started a podcast, right. 608 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I did. 609 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, this Clark Show. 610 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, like, let me tell you how about that name. 611 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: We went to try and like find some names. So 612 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: like people in the office have been pushing me to 613 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 3: do it for a while and I finally kind of 614 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: caved and we put it together. But we went to 615 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: name like every there are no names left. I mean, 616 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: everyone's got a podcast as we know, and so it's 617 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: like we're not going to try and get creative here, 618 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: let's just throw my name on it. And uh. And 619 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: the purpose of that or the goal there is like, 620 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: you know, we have real conversations with real people that 621 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: have either you know, have been in my shoes and 622 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: come through it, or have a powerful you know story 623 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: or testimony and or you know, our resources to people 624 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: that listen. So my my demo, I always say, is 625 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: like I get a lot of mothers that listen, and 626 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: then we'll write in and then we help them, you know, 627 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: try to navigate whatever it is or going through with 628 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: their children or husband or whatever it is. But it's 629 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: been really powerful and we've had some cool, cool moments 630 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: from that. 631 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: What is one of your favorite episodes that you've done 632 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: so far? 633 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: I just recorded with my dad yesterday. 634 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: No way, Wow, how is that? 635 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: Joe's met my dad. Joe's had cheese steaks with my dad. 636 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: I met your dad too. He was at the Galiles Yeah. 637 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, at our table. 638 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: It's not cheese steaks, but you know we had sushi. 639 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 640 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 3: My dad's the best. I mean, he's just got so 641 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: much knowledge and wisdom and you know, everyone's really scared 642 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: about what's going on in the world. And I think 643 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: to have someone that's been on this planet for eighty 644 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: some odd years to tell us that everything's going to 645 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: be okay is powerful and that. And he's just my 646 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: dad and he's seen me, you know, with a needle 647 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: in my arm, and he's seen me today, and so 648 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: he's probably just grateful to be able to kind of 649 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: talk about it. 650 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: Does it feel weird having like that kind of intimate 651 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: conversation with a family member and then like putting it 652 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: out there at all? Yeah, I guess it's an ironic 653 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: thing to say, considering I did like hometowns on The Bachelor. 654 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 4: But it's a little bit. 655 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: You know, we are we are. 656 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: We are a husband and wife and we have but 657 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: I guess we don't really have. No, we don't have 658 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: intimate conversation. 659 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 4: It's a one you know, it's a what thirty minutes 660 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: to an hour, unfiltered kind of conversation with your dad. 661 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's part of my place in 662 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: this world for whatever reason. I mean, I'll tell Joe 663 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: to go to therapy. We'll get them Sriena, you know, like 664 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: we'll push one day, you know, like I but I 665 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: believe that and like, look, I don't know how you 666 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: guys approached it. And I think that was like to 667 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: bring it back to kind of some of the stuff 668 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: with the show, because like you got you guys, know, 669 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: like the question you always get is like was it real? 670 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, like was it a real thing? I'm like 671 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: pretty sure it was real. Like for me, it was real. 672 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: I just showed up and it's kind of who I am. 673 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: And that's kind of it can be as real as 674 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: you want it to be, right. 675 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: Right, you know, and that's not as well as you are. 676 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: Really as real as you are. 677 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's my point all these conversations, I mean, 678 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: even this one here, like I feel like I'm just 679 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 3: hanging out talking to you guys, right and so with 680 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 3: my dad, Yeah, I mean like we got there a 681 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: couple of moments of you know, some gusto. You'll have 682 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: to do it. 683 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: There I go it the tune in, Tune into the 684 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Zach Clark Show. 685 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Anything you want to talk about, personal life, anything else. 686 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: You're busy, you're working, you're running marathons, what else? Anything 687 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: golf you're a golfer. 688 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 3: Two, Yeah, well we're doing that Joe and I are going. 689 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: Who Who's it's wells, it's Ben Higgins, I think, Joe. 690 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: I think so yeah, yeah, I don't know the exact 691 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: uh the exact crew going, but yeah, it's Ben Higgins. 692 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: We're roommates, so I know you're going. 693 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 3: I don't snore. 694 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: And Dean too, Dean, Dean he does. 695 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, Dean. I'm excited. It's gonna be a good, 696 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: good hang what else is going on? I mean, look, man, 697 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: like I said at the beginning, I'm trying to slow 698 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: down a little bit and make some more time for 699 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: for me. I definitely travel too much, but my life 700 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: is is like I'm happy, you know, I'm a happy guy. 701 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: Like all is well right now. Life is good. Life 702 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: is good. We're gonna play a lot of golf this 703 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: sum We're gonna get better at golf. We're gonna take 704 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 3: three and out for some nice dinners, and we're going 705 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: to enjoy life a little bit nice. 706 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for doaking the time 707 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: coming on our podcast. Wish you well in London. Are 708 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: you what are you trying to do some record score? 709 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: Are you just running? Are you chill? 710 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean you always go for the record, don't you 711 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: it's not always, doesn't always happen. 712 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean my best because we're sick people. 713 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, my best is at three twelve. If I end 714 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: up under that, I'll be happy far nice. 715 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: Cool to see you and to all our listeners, Thank 716 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in the Betch or Happy Hour. 717 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast. 718 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, go listen to the Zach Clark Show, donate to 719 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: his foundation, release and be sure to continue to tune in. 720 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. 721 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: Bye,