1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: In a politician named George Christopher promised to clean up 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: San Francisco. The mayoral candidate swore of voters that all 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: manner of vice would be eradicated, from drugs to illegal 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: gambling to prostitution. No sin would go unnoticed under Christopher's watch, 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: and his campaign worked. His administration endorsed s squads, cops 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: whose sole duty it was to patrol San Francisco streets 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: looking for signs of bad behavior. They arrested or intimidated 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: all manner of people in the red light district. The muggers, gamblers, 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: and dealers weren't having a good time under Christopher's watch, 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: but the prostitutes, at least some of them had a 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: way out. They just needed to say a name. George White. 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: White was there get out of jail free card. The 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: local cops knew his authority as a narcotics officer superseded 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: their own when it came to sex workers, and so 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: many prostitutes mentioned his name that law enforcement started referring 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: to them as George's girls. San Francisco Narcotics Bureau. This 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: is White got a lady of the night here says 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: she doesn't belong to jail, So cut her loose any 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: special reason. Why, Let's just say that lost souls get 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: to me. Thanks boys. Why did White care so much 21 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: about getting escorts out of jail, Well, he owed them 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: a favor. That's because George's girls had some additional responsibilities. 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: They were an extension of his experiments, subcontractors to one 24 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: of the most powerful government agencies in the world, and 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: not even the mayor of San Francisco had enough power 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: or influence to keep George White from doing his patriotic duty. 27 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: And in this case, George White's patriotic duty was to 28 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: observe them from behind a two way mirror, watching them 29 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: having sex while sitting on a portable toilet and drinking Martini's, 30 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: often recording it though they didn't know it themselves. George's 31 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: Girls were the CIA's prostitutes, and they would help George 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: White reach the most depraved heights of his career. For 33 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, this is Operation Midnight Climax and I 34 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Heart original podcast, I'm Noel Brown and this is Chapter 35 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: six A Waste of Sin, Part one The Wild West 36 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, George White was like a traveling 37 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: salesman running out of new customers. He targeted and drugged 38 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: his friends, friends of friends, strangers, and more than a 39 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: few criminals. But things were getting dangerous in Greenwich Village. 40 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Word had spread about the man with cold blue eyes 41 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: who liked to invite you home and serve lsd on 42 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: the rocks. But it wasn't just the rumors that worried him. 43 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: George White was being followed. It started after White was 44 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: told to close up shop at his Greenwich Village pad 45 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: and take on a new assignment, this time in Houston, Texas. 46 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: At the time, the police force was embroiled in a 47 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: controversy involving crooked cops who were selling stolen heroin back 48 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: to criminals, so White flew down. He started by interviewing 49 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: a detective named Martin Bill Knitzer, but the case quickly stalled. 50 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: The very next day, Bill Nitzer shot himself, well appeared 51 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: to have shot himself. White thought it was murder. It's 52 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: very difficult to shoot yourself in the chest. Houston police 53 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: weren't happy about an outsider sticking his nose in their business. 54 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: They called his boss, Harry Annslinger, to complain that he 55 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: wasn't welcome. One cop even approached White in a diner 56 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: gun on his hip and told him he leaned too 57 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: hard on his friend. White shrugged it off. Then the 58 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: man stepped back, eyeing White like they were in an 59 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Old West saloon, and told him they could settle things outside. 60 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: George White might have wound up in a duel if 61 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: cooler heads had n't prevailed, but that wasn't the end 62 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: of it. Back in New York, White realized he was 63 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: being tailed by Houston cops. They were hoping to find 64 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: evidence he was a Communist at the time, a kiss 65 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: of death that could have ruined his name and career. 66 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Of course, they didn't understand White had been busy fighting 67 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Communism for a very long time. Still, White realized it 68 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: was a good time to leave New York City. Sydney Gottlieb, 69 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: White supervisor, didn't want to stop drug experiments, so he 70 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: proposed that White relocate to San Francisco and resume his 71 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: activities there. But there would be a twist. While White 72 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: had been occupied with the roll of drugs and getting 73 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: the truth, Gottlieb now wanted him to weaponize sex as well. 74 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: Spies and sex have a long tradition together. Seduction has 75 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: always played a role in foreign intrigue. And espionage, especially 76 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: in the movies, and the principle was similar to the 77 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: one behind LSD. It was about someone letting their guard down. 78 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: Sex may to subject vulnerable. Maybe Sidney Gottlieb had been 79 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: looking for the weapon to win the Cold War in 80 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: the wrong places all along. Maybe sex was the ultimate 81 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: truth drug. In March nineteen fifty, White and Albertine packed 82 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: their things and headed to San Francisco. The couple maintained 83 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: a separate residence there, but the real action would be 84 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: at the l Shaped Department at two Chestnut Street and 85 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Telegraph Hill, a scenic neighborhood overlooking the San Francisco Bay, 86 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Fisherman's Wharf, and even Alcatraz, where some of the dope 87 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: pushers White had long ago put away. May have been idling. 88 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Why did Godliev select San Francisco In the nineteen fifties. 89 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: The city was alive with art and music. The thinking 90 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: was progressive. Like Greenwich Village, the city had embraced the 91 00:06:54,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: Beat generation and the counterculture movement. In October d five, 92 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: it hosted the famous Six Gallery Reading, where poets including 93 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: Alan Ginsburg and Michael McClure read their work. It was 94 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: the first time Ginsburg ever read Howell in public, and 95 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: it was met with a raucous reception from drunk spectators, 96 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: including Jack Kerouac. Cynically, Gottlieb targeted San Francisco because the 97 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: gay community was stirring there. Sex positivity was in the 98 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: first lesbian rights organization, the Daughters of Belitas, had just 99 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: formed in the city. If the CIA was going to 100 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: study sex, it needed to be in a place where 101 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: sexuality was thriving. But before White's work could begin, the 102 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Chestnut Street apartment needed a makeover. Part of it was 103 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: for surveillance purposes. White hired an engineering student from cal Berkeley, 104 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: a tech whiz, to wire microphones into wall outlets. A 105 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: movie camera was obscured behind a two way mirror where 106 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: White could observe and record any d that unfolded. The 107 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: radio antenna was intended to let agents parked outside listen 108 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: to what was happening in the room. Maybe they were 109 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: there to watch the door to take surveillance photographs for 110 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: CIA blackmail purposes, But that audio signal is how the 111 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: live sex shows wound up getting out over the airwaves 112 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: to anyone picking up the frequency. White wasn't just concerned 113 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: with the technical stuff he wanted atmosphere. To find it, 114 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: he looked to Hugh Hefner and tried to ape the 115 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: Playboy Aesthetic record show that he expensed over a hundred 116 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: items to the CIA, including drapes, a mattress, art, and 117 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: a telescope. With the CIA's money, he also bought several 118 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: reproductions of Henri de toluz Latrex works, the nineteenth century 119 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: artist who was fascinated by Paris's lurid underbelly. White thought 120 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: the paintings, mostly of naked women kissing and embracing one another, 121 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: set the mood he all so brought along some photos 122 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: of women in bondage, likely supplied by his old friend, 123 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: the fetish publisher John Willie. All of it gave Chestnut 124 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: Street a kind of ci a Bordello aesthetic, a strange 125 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: mix of softcore porn and cheap elegance. Henri de toluz 126 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: La trec was also fond of depicting prostitutes in his work, 127 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: and that was another reason San Francisco was ideal for 128 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: White's purposes. In order to crack the code of sex 129 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: and drugs as matters of national security, he needed the 130 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: sex he needed professionals, and for that the CIA would 131 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: need a pimp pert two staffing up. Normally, procuring female 132 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: escorts would have fallen on Pierre Lafitte, who had been 133 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: White's right hand a man back in New York City, 134 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: but the FEET was still taking a vacation of sorts 135 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg, Florida. That's where White had sent him 136 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to lay low following the controversial death of CIA employee 137 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Frank Olsen. He had lost his Robin, so he did 138 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: the same thing Bruce Wayne once did in the comics. 139 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: He got himself a new sidekick. White summoned a man 140 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: named ira Ike Feldman. Of all the characters to pass 141 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: through White's life, Feldman was one of the most outrageous. 142 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: He was a fellow in Narcotics Bureau agent whose exterior 143 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: helped obscure a fierce intellect. A former military intelligence officer, 144 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: he spoke fluent Russian and Mandarin. He was also good 145 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: with the undercover work. In fact, he'd spent the past 146 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: several months posing as a heroin dealer in pimp under 147 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the alias Joe Capone. The two men knew each other 148 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: by reputation. In journalist Richard Stratton tracked down Ike Feldman, 149 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: and rather than being evasive or contrite about his CIA work, 150 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: Feldman was all too happy to talk about it. Here's 151 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: what he said about working with George White. White was 152 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the son of a bitch buddy who was a great cop. 153 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: That was Feldman's way of saying he liked White, and 154 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: just like White, he had taken his alter ego to extremes. 155 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: His persona of Joe Capone was flamboyant, prone to blue 156 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: suede shoes, pinstriped suits, huge hats, and a massive fake 157 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: diamond ring. Feldman was just five ft three, but quick 158 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: with his tongue and his fists. Like White, he was 159 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: from the old school of law enforcement. His preferred method 160 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: of getting people to talk involved a hammer. Sometimes when 161 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: people had information, it was the one way you could 162 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: get it. If it was a guy, you took his God, 163 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: can you hit it with, Amma, and they talked to you. 164 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: But White made an appeal to Feldman's curiosity. What if 165 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: there was a good way to get people to talk 166 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: without hitting their dicks with hammers? White explained the program. 167 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: He would supply the drugs, typically LSD, but whatever struck 168 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: his fancy, from sedatives to uppers too, experimental drugs that 169 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't even have a name yet. The CIA would supply 170 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: the safe house, and Feldman, as the pimp, would supply 171 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: the women, ladies he recruited from bars and massage parlors. 172 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: Feldman would later argue he was only posing as a pimp. 173 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: He was an undercover cop playing a role, and the 174 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: role of Jo Capone called for him to take on 175 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: the profile of a drug dealer and vice kingpim. But 176 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: when you're recruiting actual prostitutes to have actual sex with 177 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: actual customers and paying them actual money, well doesn't that 178 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: make you an actual pimp too. It wasn't long before 179 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Ike Feldman CIA pimp had assembled a harem for George 180 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: White's brothel. The prostitutes probably didn't know about the CIA part. 181 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: They just knew Feldman and White were paying them between 182 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: fifty two a hundred dollars a night to bring John's 183 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: back to the Chestnut Street apartment, where they were to 184 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: serve the men drinks dosed with LSD or other drugs, 185 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: and then they were supposed to indulge in whatever the 186 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: John's desired. The women could keep whatever fee they normally 187 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: charged for services rendered, whether Feldman took a cut of 188 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: that to keep up his pimp appearances is unknown. But 189 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: the women had another far more important incentive to work 190 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: with White and Feldman. White promised each one that if 191 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: they were ever busted by San Francisco police for their 192 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: escort work, they could call him and he would arrange 193 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: for their immediate release. The more men they brought to 194 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: the pad, the more favors White would owe them. Georgia's 195 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: girls had virtual immunity from the local police. Why it 196 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: wasn't someone who looked down on sex workers. Long before 197 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: he became an narcotics agent, White worked for the United 198 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: States Border but roll and at the border he fell 199 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: for one. In his autobiography, he wrote, her name was Estrellita, 200 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: and it was clear that she loved me with deep passion. 201 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: Otherwise would she have taken time off from her duties 202 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: to lose herself in my embraces coming home? However, she 203 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: subsequently fractured some of my ideals, if not my heart. 204 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: When it came time to murmur audios that night, she 205 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: rubbed her fingertips together in a manner that didn't at 206 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: all suggest deathless love. Money, She said, you get paid 207 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: for your work. I get paid for mine. Estralita made 208 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: quite an impression. Later, while working as a narcotics cop 209 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: in Omaha, White made the acquaintance of another prostitute named 210 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Babe Barnes, and it might have been his first experience 211 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: as a bowyer. Babe freely permitted me to use her 212 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: workshop as my observation. Most regularly. I was able to 213 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: maintain a surveillance of her visitors, particularly the narcotic minded ones, 214 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: from the clothes closet in her room or even from 215 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: under her busy bed. Much of my knowledge of the 216 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: more esoteric facts of life, not to mention, my information 217 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: on the local narcotic traffic, was game in this somewhat 218 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: clinical fashion. When why it was about to be transferred, 219 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: he visited Babe Barnes one last time. I paid one 220 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: more visit to Babe, whom I had learned to like. 221 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: She was in the Council Bluffs jail during sixty days. 222 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: It was a sad sort of rainy day, and she 223 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: was pretty low, having run out of money, friends, and cigarettes. 224 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I restocked her in at least one or two of 225 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: these categories, and suggested that she tried some other profession 226 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: when it was over, which was like trying to persuade 227 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: Campbell to stop carrying soup. What's funny? I was thinking 228 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: about you and under my bed to get junkies. What's 229 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: funny about that? Nothing except you're probably the first guy 230 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: who ever learned my business from the ground up. So long, baby, 231 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: So long, George. I'll see you again sometime now, he won't. 232 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: It never happens, but good luck, and it never happened. 233 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Of course. It was the closest George White ever came 234 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: to explaining why he could respect the law even though 235 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: he didn't mind and even respected those who kept breaking in. 236 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: She was a lost soul. Lost Souls Get to Me 237 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: m Part three Breakthrough. In the spring of nine, everything 238 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: was in place for George White. He'd finally be able 239 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: to find out whether a combination of sex and drugs 240 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: was the key to breaking down the walls of discretion. 241 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: If it worked, maybe the Cold War would swing in 242 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: their favor. If it didn't, George White, renowned sexual deviant, 243 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: would still get paid to watch live sex shows. The 244 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: apartment on Chestnut Street was fully wired for audio and video. 245 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: White and Feldman had girls, LSD and an ample supply 246 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: of subjects. White even gave his project a name, Operation 247 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: Midnight Climax. The escorts would go out on the prowl 248 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: and quickly and snare a man using time tested methods 249 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: of seduction. You want to fuck, it's twenty dollars. White 250 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: sat behind the two a mirror recording for ambience. White 251 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: display his extensive collection of opium pipes collected from years 252 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: of drug busts. In front of him was a large 253 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: Martini picture, which he drained over the course of an evening, 254 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: peeing it out into the toilet underneath him so he 255 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't miss a minute of action. Sometimes, when he was 256 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: particularly struck by an escorts beauty, he turned to his 257 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: colleague and say, that's a waste of a sin. The 258 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: escort and her john would step into the bedroom, clothing 259 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: falling to the floor. White told the women to approach 260 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: anyone they liked, from outcasts to white collar professionals. Like 261 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: any serious scientist, White wanted a cross section of subjects. 262 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: The weather, it was at the bar, or in the 263 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: living room, or even in the bedroom. The john's were 264 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: always offered a drink, often with something in it. As 265 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: the LSD worked its magic, the escorts would do what 266 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: escorts do. At first, White wanted to see if they're 267 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: willingness to try things sexually had any influence on whether 268 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: the man would loosen up. Positions played out like a 269 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Comma Sutra page come to life. They assumed whatever role 270 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: their partner wanted. A scolding teacher, a jilted lover. A 271 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: closet full of sex toys was at their disposal, everything 272 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: from dildo's two paddles. After experiencing their fantasy of choice, 273 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: the men would enter their refractory period, and it was 274 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: here George White would lean forward, martini in hand and 275 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: wait for a revelation. The escorts would poke and prod 276 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: the John's about their profession, their family, their friends. Sometimes 277 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: they were politicians, sometimes millionaires. Others worked for companies that 278 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: demanded discretion. What would they say in George White's fantasia, 279 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: a place where pleasure was always on tap. Basically, they 280 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: talk about their wives, about their kids, about their bosses. 281 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes it was under the influence of LSD. Sometimes just 282 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: sex would be enough. White always learned what the men 283 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: did for a living, but he was looking for more. 284 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: Would an airline pilot talk about the technical issues of 285 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: a passenger plane? Would a lawyer talk about a client. 286 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: The CIA's theory was that men were most vulnerable as 287 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: they neared orgasm. Their hormones had completely taken over by 288 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: that point, and if the escort could somehow delay their climax, 289 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: they might talk. This didn't work. When the escorts tried 290 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: to stall or converse, the men were virtually in a trance. 291 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: Their hormones were the dominant force in their brains, so 292 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: the CIA tried other things. Years later, Feldman would recall 293 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: the CIA shipped a new aphrodisiac to the Pad for 294 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: White and his girls to try out. Not long after, 295 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: the women brought back a number of Russian sailors and 296 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: served them this concoction, which CIA chemists had informally dubbed 297 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: the sextender. White wanted to know all kinds of crap, 298 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: but they weren't talking, so we had the girl slip 299 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: him this sex drug. These guys went crazy. White found 300 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: out what he wanted to know. What Feldman was describing 301 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: was something remarkably like viagra, which wouldn't go on sale 302 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: for another forty years. But there was a missing piece 303 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: of the equation. White was a master interrogator, someone who 304 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: could make a mime talk, but Now that the prostitutes 305 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: were the public face of this experiment, they had to 306 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: learn a different kind of manipulation, and so did the CIA. 307 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: Remember that even though George White had been around the block, 308 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: the CIA hadn't not when it came to actual coercion. 309 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: They wanted to know everything they could about the role 310 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: of sex and espionage, so they constantly dispatched psychologists to 311 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: interview the women, asking them about how they approached men, 312 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: how they made them comfortable, what men liked, what they didn't. 313 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: They didn't know what a trick was, what a john was. 314 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't uncommon to walk into the pad and see 315 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: a CIA shrink, white dress, shirt, sleeves rolled up and 316 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: fogging up their eyeglasses as a prostitute told them the 317 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: best ways to use sex to get what they wanted, 318 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: in their case money. For the CIA, it was secrets. 319 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: Sometimes these exchanges bordered on the ridiculous. Once Feldman walked 320 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: in to find CIA psychologist John Gittinger on the floor 321 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: with two prostitutes using bendable pipe cleaners the kind you'd 322 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: find in school art projects, as the women contorted them 323 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: into human shapes to illustrate the various acrobat next their 324 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: clients liked getting Jer photographed these tiny dioramas for posterity, 325 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: carrying them all back to CIA headquarters. But most of 326 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: the time no psychologists or mental health professionals would be 327 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: on hand to oversee the experiments. Most of the time 328 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: it was just George White, inebriated, sitting on the portable 329 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: toilet behind a mirror, taking notes. White was many things, 330 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: a cop, a brawler, a patriot, but he wasn't a doctor. 331 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: His observations were superficial in the extreme. He could only 332 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: record and comment on whether a subject had spoken freely, 333 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: not about their overall mental state. From his perch, White 334 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: absorbed only the most salacious elements of this grand experiment. 335 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: He was a CIA sanctioned voyer, just as he had 336 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: with Babe Barnes back in Omaha. White took a liking 337 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: to one escorton which to kill her. Her name was 338 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: Liz Evans, and she spent hours with both White and 339 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Gettinger filling them in on every possible nuance of her profession. 340 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: She had no idea they were acting on behalf of 341 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: the CIA. White was just a narcotics cop and Gettinger 342 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: a very curious associate. On a few occasions. White asked 343 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: her to accompany foreign dignitaries to some black tie events, 344 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: then retreat with them back to their hotel rooms. Was 345 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: White behind a mirror in an adjacent room filming? Was 346 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: he under the bed as he had been with Barnes? 347 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: Evans never said, though she did have something to say 348 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: to write our hp Albarelli Jr. I was paid to 349 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: practice my womanly charms. I'm sure George filmed parts of 350 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: those encounters if he could have a lot of the 351 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: times there were guys with George read movie cameras and 352 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: sound equipment. Even more curiously, Evans recalled the whites experiments 353 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: sometimes involved some very unconventional means of influence. We used 354 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: to play these crazy games hypnosis and like that. Yeah, 355 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: I think I was hypnotized once by a friend of George's. 356 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: White peered through his looking glass for weeks and then months, 357 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: the film camera capturing all of the encounters. He spent 358 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: his days hunting drug dealers and his nights watching naked 359 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: bodies contort themselves into any and every sexual position imaginable. 360 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: The results were always unpredictable. The men seemed guarded, even 361 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: after drinks, even after hallucinogenic chemicals turned the pad into 362 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: a world of bright colors and four breasted women uncloid. 363 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I know we're close. What was missing was something prostitutes 364 00:25:52,840 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: didn't normally offer, intimacy. White took the prostitute aside and 365 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: told them to try something after sex, after climax. They 366 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: would usually hurry out of bed, get dressed, and get 367 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: the john out the door like a restaurant. High turnover 368 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: was good for business, but White told them to linger instead, 369 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: to just stay in bed and talk. The CIA had 370 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: been looking at this experiment as a two sided equation 371 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: between sex and drugs, but White saw a third side, 372 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: the male ego. When a prostitute began taking an interest 373 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: in the man beyond there a lotted time, they were flattered, 374 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: They felt special, and they wanted to reciprocate by talking, conversing, 375 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: sharing themselves, just like their escorts appeared to be doing. 376 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: As one CIA officer later said, to find a prostitute 377 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: who is willing to stay is a hell of a 378 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: shock to anyone used to prostitutes. It has a tremendous 379 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: effect on the guy. It's a boost to his ego 380 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: if she's telling him he was really and she wants 381 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: to stay for a few more hours. Most of the 382 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: time it gets pretty vulnerable. What the hell is he 383 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about? Not the sex? So he starts 384 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: talking about his business. It's at this time she can 385 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: lead him gently. The simple act of human proximity and 386 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: a very reduced sense of inhibition thanks to the drugs, 387 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: led to the john saying things they shouldn't private, things 388 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: things one wouldn't normally say to an escort. Everyone is 389 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: taking kicked back to Sydney Hall. Everyone, you sure, just 390 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: tell you play the game. The prostitutes weren't there solely 391 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: for the John's. When George White's boss, Sydney Gottlieb came 392 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: to visit, they were there for him too, Just as 393 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: he had with L. S. D. Gottlieb liked to take 394 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: a hands on approach. Several times Sydney Gottlieb came out. 395 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: I met Gottlieb at the pad and a White's office. 396 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: White used to send me to the airport to pick 397 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: up Sydney in this other wacko John getten you the psychologist. 398 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: Sydney was a nice guy. He was a fucking nut. 399 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: They're all fucking nuts. Feldman claimed, Gottlie availed himself with 400 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: the hired help, retreating to a private space with the prostitutes. 401 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: They did it as a favorite of Feldman. This is 402 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: all rather illicit, dark, even for George White, but Ike 403 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: Feldman managed to bring it down to another more disturbing level. 404 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: Decades later, a woman stepped forward who had been an 405 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: escort working for Feldman on an narcotics case. Money and 406 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: favors weren't the only form of payment. The CIA offered, 407 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: you do a good job on this and I can 408 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: give you some of the best heroine you've ever had. 409 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: When an escort was a drug addict. It was another 410 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: way in a way to motivate this army of subcontractors. 411 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: White was prepared to do anything to succeed. But here's 412 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 1: the thing about CIA financed drug dens and brothels. Sometimes 413 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: they can get too conspicuous. White had been in business 414 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: for about a year in Telegraph Hill when Ike Feldman 415 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: decided to throw a party. It was a lavish affair 416 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: full of attractive women, drugs, and a beautiful view of 417 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco. As Feldman mingled in his pinstriped suit, he 418 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: made deals for heroin. He flashed cash, he let it 419 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: be know that he was after no bigger a fish 420 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: than Ronaldo Red Ferrari, san Francisco's reigning criminal kingpin. No 421 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: one knew Feldman was a cop, but they soon would, 422 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: and when Feldman took the stand to testify it Ferrari's 423 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: eventual trial, but San Francisco examiner made sure to explain 424 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: how he pulled the fast woman Ferrari, that the spectacular 425 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: parties had all been arranged, that Feldman was working undercover, 426 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: and that Chestnut Street was where he had laid his trap. 427 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: George White's Utopia was no longer an anonymous broadcast, and 428 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: the CIA's secret campaign to harness the power of sex 429 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: and drugs was on the brink of being laid bare 430 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: for the entire world to see. But George White wasn't 431 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: about to lose his dream job for a second time. 432 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to let San Francisco become another New York. 433 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: There was still too much to learn, too many secrets 434 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: to uncover. He'd do anything to keep it going, even 435 00:30:45,560 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: if it meant teaming up with the magician. Yeah. Operation 436 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: Midnight Climax is hosted by Noel Brown. This show's written 437 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: by Jake Rosson, Editing, sound design and mixing by Ernie 438 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Indra Dat and Natasha Jacobs. Original music by Aeron Kaufman. 439 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: Research and fact checking by Austin Thompson and MAURICEA. Brown Show. 440 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: Logo by Lucy Quendonia. Special thanks to Enzo Salucci, Amanda Colbinson, 441 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: Spencer Gibson, David crum Holtz, Vanessa crum Holtz, Vinny Massimino, 442 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: and Ted Ramy. Julian Weller is our supervising producer. Our 443 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: executive producers are Jason English and mangesh Ha Ticketer. See 444 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: you next week.