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Speaker 1: Imagine your Ron Lieberman. You went to work on nine eleven,

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Speaker 1: terrorists slammed jetliners into two skyscrapers only nine feet from

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Speaker 1: She isn't. But you can't just sleep. You feel sick, bubbling, anxiety, exhaustion,

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Speaker 1: high school near the World Trade Center, a staging area,

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Speaker 1: and volunteer. Finally, around two AM you leave. You walk

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Speaker 1: This is Missing on nine eleven, The story of one

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Speaker 1: woman who vanished on the eve of history and my

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Speaker 1: quest to find her. I'm your host, John Wallzac. On

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Speaker 1: September twelve, two th one, Weary and in shock, Ron

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Speaker 1: nine eleven reduced the World Trade Center to two million

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Speaker 1: ground zero. Accompanied by friends, Ron makes his way to

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Speaker 1: to Rector Place in Battery Park City, where he and

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Speaker 1: with two other building employees, going door to door checking

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Speaker 1: one of the pieces of the of the airplane. One

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Speaker 1: remember that. Wow, Yeah, I remember when I went to

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Speaker 1: Everything looked untouched and there was just this gray layer

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Speaker 1: Figa and Collie. Figa is a vulgar Italian word for

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Speaker 1: forgive me here pussy. Collie with a K is the

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Speaker 1: Hindu goddess of death and destruction, the black mother goddess

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Speaker 1: but also maternal love. Viga and Collie left little Prince

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Speaker 1: to view the images, but I'd love to. He also

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Speaker 1: grabs some stuff, including two phone books packed with numbers.

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Speaker 1: Then he leaves. When he started making calls, I called

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Speaker 1: every single person in her phone book, and no one

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Speaker 1: had heard from her. Next up flyers designed by Say

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Speaker 1: dress and sandals. End quote and at the bottom Ron

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Speaker 1: and Ashwin's phone numbers, an email, and a website Ashwin created.

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Speaker 1: the site via the Internet Archives way Back Machine. Go

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Speaker 1: to archive dot org, then search for a Magical Lab

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Speaker 1: and friends of World Trade Center victims, posting flyers around

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Speaker 1: He did not speak to snay Haa on nine eleven. Weird, right,

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Speaker 1: Hugo's article, prompted by the fire Ron's on September two,

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Speaker 1: they essentially erased her. Here's what Ron said. I know

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