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Speaker 1: staff writers at how stuff works dot Com. How's it coming, Shuff,

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Speaker 1: It's going good, Josh, so Chuck. I hate to tell

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Speaker 1: you this, but there are people who are setting themselves

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Speaker 1: on fire all over India right now. Have you heard

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Speaker 1: anything about this right now? Possibly very lately. By right now,

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Speaker 1: I mean lately. No, I didn't know that. It's it's

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Speaker 1: becoming something of a widespread trend, actually terribly. UM. I

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Speaker 1: read about one guy who's a tea vendor. You know,

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Speaker 1: And the guy was kind of being abused by this guy,

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Speaker 1: of the guy's house. That'll show him, yeah, pretty much. Um.

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Speaker 1: Now the guy lived, but he has burns like over

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a terrible way to go. And and

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, uh kind of reminded me that of

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Speaker 1: an article i'd written into called is there a Worst

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Speaker 1: Way to Die? When I was I love this article.

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Speaker 1: It was like, uh, it was really interesting to write.

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Speaker 1: I talked to um, a funeral director, I talked to

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Speaker 1: because there's no there's no quantifiable way to say, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's all subjective and even worse, there's um, there weren't

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Speaker 1: a gallop pole that was about UM, fear of dying,

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Speaker 1: and I think a really logical follow up question would

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Speaker 1: corner fear of death corner. Um. But while I was

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Speaker 1: usually uh, they're usually interchangeable at the top. What's your

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