1 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: We got the real deal. And I'm not just talking 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: a homicide detective. I'm talking about one of the most 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: respected across the country. I've had a chance to talk 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: to all kind of folks and often they asked me, 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: do you know some are bitten? And it's always such 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: a source of pride for me because, you know, hometown 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: make Atlanta look good, and she does. Y'all know her 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: from the first forty eight. But let me tell you 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: a little something about her. She joined the Atlanta Police 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Department in December of two thousand and one. She has 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: worked vice, narcotics, she's a hostage negotiator, and then July 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, she entered the homicide unit. 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: From there she got on the first forty eight. She 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: is a second generation law enforcement officer. And you know, 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: I just have to say, when you look at women 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, you know we might be fifty one 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: percent of the population, but in law enforcement only about 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: fifteen percent. Or homicide detectives, she's got a pretty decent 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: solve rate, and we'll get into that too, But I 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: don't want to waste any more time because I want 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: y'all to hear from her. Please help me welcome. Some 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: are bent. There is so much to try to talk 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: to you about. I hope we can get it all in. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: But like I said, I ain't gonna waste no time. 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. I want to personally know your process. Like, 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: you get to a scene, what do you do first? 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very happy that you asked me to join 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: the show. I'm extremely excited. Actually when I get to 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: a scene, first, I'm sitting in the car just taking 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: in my surroundings. And I'm a huge detail oriented person. 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: So got my notepad. I'm old school pen and paper, 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: and I'm writing down everything I see before I even 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: get out of the car. I want to know where 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: those crime scene tape is. I want to know if 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: it's a dark stiff, it's a nighttime scene, are the 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: lights on? Is there cameras anywhere? How many patrol cars 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: am I seeing? Are there witnesses outside? And I'm going 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: to write all of that down before I even step 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: out and start finding out who was my first responding 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: officer and then doing a walk through the scene. 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: I do the same thing. I don't get in a 42 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: hurry to get out of that car because there's so 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: much You're gonna miss and then as soon as I 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: get out of the car, I start taking pictures. But 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything more valuable you can do 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: than to just soak it in first. 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh, you have to you have to be able to 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: visualize everything, especially years down the road when you take 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: the stand, you can look back on your detailed notes 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: and your detailed reports and remember it like it was yesterday, 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: and so you're able to put yourself back on that 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: scene and tell the jury what you saw and what 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: everything you've ualized through the entire process. In the first 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: five or however many minutes, you're sitting in your car 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: and you're taking it all in. 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: So you don't just google the weather. You actually observe 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: it and write down what you know to be true. 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: Exactly, even to the point where you know, hey, there 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: is a light there, but it's not on and it's 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: out okay, so it's dark there. Let's you know note that, 61 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: because you're going to get asked those questions on the stand, sure, 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss it correct. And there 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: may be you know, somebody down the road who states 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: they were standing right there. They were standing, you know, 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: across the street and it's pitched dark outside and there 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: like I saw it like it was yesterday. Okay, I 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: was there and I couldn't see across the street. So that, 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: you know, you have to put yourself in the in 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: that position to where when you go into the case, 70 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: first off, you assume nothing. You do everything off of 71 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: facts and evidence and alone. So when I'm going into 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: that scene and I'm doing a walkthrough, im seeing where 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: all the evidence, I'm seeing where the video cameras are, 74 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: I'm seeing where possibly witnesses could have been standing. And 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: then I'm going to where they could have been standing 76 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: see if I could see what they were seeing. To 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: try to visualize everything that could have possibly happened during 78 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: the incident, because it's like a puzzle, you know. You 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: you know, when you first get a puzzle and you 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: dump all the pieces out, that's your crime scene. Your 81 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: job is to take all those pieces and put them 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: back in the correct spot. And if one piece doesn't fit, 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: then you know that doesn't go there. 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I just have to say, because this 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: is voice only, but I want people to know you're attractive, 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: you're smart. Oh well, thank you absolutely. I mean, because 87 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: it's it's relevant to what I'm thinxing of try to 88 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: showcase about you that you know, you're attractive, you're smart, 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: you work harder than anybody else in the room. And 90 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: the reason I think that's important is you don't fall 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: back on some of the things that you could use. 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, if anybody has a chance to 93 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: go back and watch every episode of the Verse forty 94 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: eight with you in it, here's what sticks out to me. 95 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: You're working constantly for the minute you get the call. 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: And the second thing is you are so appreciative. You 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: think everybody, the patrolman, the witnesses, people on the street 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: that may say, hey, you know, I'll help if I 99 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: can or whatever, but you take the time to individually 100 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: thank everybody. And I think that's so important. 101 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: And I think I'm gonna be honest with you. That 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: stems from my upbringing. 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: Oh I was going to give your mom and daddy 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: full credit. 105 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 2: My mom and dad were very you know, if somebody 106 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: said something to me nice, or somebody you know, came 107 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: up to shake my hand, or somebody came up to 108 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, give me a birthday gift, they will, Oh 109 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: what do you say? Thank you? You know it was 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: put into me at a very very early age that 111 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: you respect everyone, doesn't matter their status, their race, their smithcy, 112 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: the religion. You respect everyone. And that was huge growing 113 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: up in my family and I try to bring that 114 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: to work with me every day. 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: Well it shows, and I think that's another reason you're 116 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: so well thought of, because you know, you were that 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: young patrol officer and for that person to get any 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of appreciation from you, you know, that builds them up. 119 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a wonderful thing I think that you 120 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: do well. Thank you, Terry Porter. Tell us about that 121 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: case for you. 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: That was a case of man, mister Porter once I 123 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: and what a lot of people need to understand right 124 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: of that, and I know subconsciously they know this is 125 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: that we don't know our victims. So we don't know 126 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: our victims. We don't know our suspects, we don't know 127 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: our witnesses. So we're going into this, you know, unknowing 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: of everybody. We don't know victimology, we don't know anything. 129 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: So when I started to learn about mister Porter, he 130 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: was truly an amazingly great person who would have given 131 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: the shirt office back to anybody. I'm going to be 132 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: honest with you, and allow a lot of people say, 133 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, you did really really good work. I got 134 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: really lucky with the video surveillance because nowadays everybody's like 135 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: everything's on video. Well not all the time the videos 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: are working, and not all the time the videos are recording. 137 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: That was a hard case because you truly got to 138 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: know who he was as a person, and you got 139 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: to know his family and how loving they were, and 140 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: how if the person I arrested had just asked him, 141 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: he would have given it to him. He didn't have 142 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: to take his life. But that case, when we got 143 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: to the scene, there was such minimal evidence. It was 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: just him. There was no shellcasings, there was nothing for 145 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: us to really do DNA wise, there was no surveillance 146 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: cameras in the area. So that case started strictly off 147 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: of locating his car and on off his financials. 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: What made you head toward financials. 149 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Because we knew that when we got there, he didn't 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: have his wallet on him, and according to his family, 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: he never went anywhere without his wallet. We were looking 152 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: for his truck, his SUV, and we weren't able to 153 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: locate it because LPRs, the license plate readers were just 154 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: coming into effect so they weren't all over the city 155 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: at the time, and even though we had his license tag, 156 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't really hitting on anything. So I was like, well, 157 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: I need to do something. So I was able to 158 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: pull his financials and see that shortly after he was 159 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: killed his credit cards were being used, and so every 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: place that his credit card was being used, I went 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 2: back to see if there was video surveillance, and lo 162 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: and behold, there was video surveillance everywhere from the first 163 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: time that he tried to have his credit card used, 164 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: which was at an ATM and it got declined to 165 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: him going to a like a CBS or Walgreens type 166 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: place and using the card there, then going on a 167 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: shopping spree the next day at one of our malls 168 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: here in the city. We were pretty much able to 169 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: narrow down that window. Because the timeframe of homicides, that 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,119 Speaker 2: timeline is so important. 171 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: The timeline is beyond critical. I mean, that's your money 172 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: tree from the get go. So what you're doing now 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: is this footwork where you're trying to see is the 174 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: same person on every video? Am I going to be 175 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: able to get this person's face out there? 176 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: That is correct? And also how far was the time 177 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: of we believe the homicide was to the time the 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: first credit card was being used, because at any point 179 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: in time, depending on that that timeframe was, he could 180 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: have hated it off to somebody else. Correct, So the 181 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: person that's using the card now could totally be innocent 182 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: of the murder. That was extremely important because we had 183 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: to do a timeline of that time of night. So 184 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: we went back out at that night and we drove 185 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: and timed it from that time until the time the 186 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: credit card was used at the first place, and it 187 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: matched up perfectly, which told us that the person that 188 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: was involved in Terry Porter's murder is the same person 189 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: that used his credit card on that first time. 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. And you're going to be able to hand that 191 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: off to the DA to say, hey, I don't think 192 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: remorse is going to be a factor here. 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: Correct, because obviously if he was remorseful, he wouldn't have 194 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: taken his credit card. 195 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, there wouldn't be a shopping spree. That is such 196 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: good work though, And again you talk about the footwork, 197 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: and you talk about going back and you staying on 198 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: this thing and driving it. That gave you such an 199 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: understanding of the perpetrator and it gave. 200 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: Us an understanding of the motive behind the crime too. 201 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: You know a lot of times people think, well, what 202 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: was the motive? Was it domestic? Was it gang related? 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: Was it an argument? Was it someone just snapped? This 204 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: motive was totally totally off. Agreed. They wanted what mister 205 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: Porter had. They knew that he had money. They stole 206 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: his very nice SUV and then used his credit cards 207 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: for thousands of dollars of merchandise. 208 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: I mean, how sickening this wonderful man who everybody loved 209 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: in a door that knew him. The community had such 210 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: a response when this happened over what a couple of 211 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars? 212 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: That's it, Yeah, all over money. And you can't put 213 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: a price on the way. 214 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: It happens, right that all of a sudden you think, well, 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: I've seen all there is to see and then bam. 216 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: Well let's talk about something that was a bam for me. 217 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: I want you all to think about the type of 218 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: police report that would have to be done, the type 219 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: of an investigation in order for somebody to get a 220 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: conviction from murder when there is nobody all right, detective, 221 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: I know people sometimes say all you do is brag 222 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: on your guest. Yeah, correct, are you kidding? And this 223 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why if you want to 224 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: talk about homicide is you know the Super Bowl. Well, 225 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: what you were able to do in that Super Bowl 226 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: is unheard of almost everywhere. When you're able to put 227 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: a case together and convince a jury that, hey, this 228 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: person is not going to walk in that back door. 229 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: I just want everybody right now in Zone seven to 230 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: hear how you put together a case without the victim's remains. 231 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: My first shout out needs to go to the missing 232 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: person's detective, a Detective Barber. She was working in it 233 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: as a missing person's case and she felt looking at 234 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: what she was looking at after speaking with the victim's family, 235 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: that something wasn't right. So she immediately brought it to 236 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: our supervisor's attention. And that's when I was brought into 237 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: the case to work it as a homicide case instead 238 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: of just a regular missing person's case. I have to 239 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: give a shout out to Detective Barber for that one. 240 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, right on, And that's no in the street. That's 241 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: knowing your people, that's knowing you got your pulse of 242 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: it right there. 243 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: And the fact that she stayed on the case with 244 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: me up until the very end. You know, she was 245 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: not a homicide detective at the time, but she was 246 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: vested in this case, and she stayed with me every 247 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: step of the way, and we worked this case together. 248 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: The victim just basically vanished into thin air. And the 249 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: location that she was living at was with her boyfriend, 250 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: who was the one I ended up arresting her daughter 251 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: about I want to say, four or five days after 252 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: she was last seen. Her daughter lived in another state, 253 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: called down to the Atlanta Police Department and said, my 254 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: mom's missing, but her and her boyfriend have been having 255 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: some domestic issues. She hasn't shown up to work, which 256 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: is extremely odd for her. She worked at a medical 257 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: OBGI and location, and she had never missed a day 258 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: of work, had never been late. And if she had 259 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: been late, I think maybe they said it was like 260 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: maybe twice in the years that she had worked there, 261 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: she always called and said she was running late. But 262 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: they hadn't heard from her. And so the first thing 263 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: I did was I was like, Okay, somebody always uses something, 264 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: So let's go on her social media. Let's go into 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: her financials, you know, let's go into her cell phone, 266 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: get her historical called detail records nothing. She had not 267 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: used anything since the time that she had arrived back 268 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: at the apartment that she basically stayed at with her boyfriend. 269 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: So then I started doing some history on that particular address, 270 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: and I located numerous times where officers had been called 271 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: in the last couple of months of domestic disturbances. Basically, 272 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: the two were on the outs and they were having arguments, 273 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: and there was not any physical arguments at that point. 274 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: Everything was just verbal, and I was like, Okay, well, 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: now it's time to you know, we need to go 276 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: to warn and we need to get into that apartment 277 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: to see if anything and maybe she's in the apartment, 278 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: maybe something. So we did that and that's when we 279 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: called in a group that we use. It's a group 280 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: of civilians that volunteer their time and they're called at SAR. 281 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: It's out the Canine Team Search and Rescue, and we 282 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: called them in and basically it was because they have 283 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: two specialized types of canines. One is kadabra dogs where 284 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: they search for, you know, anybody who's been deceased, bones, 285 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: anything like that, and the other one is what they 286 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: called live fine dogs to where they can get a 287 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: scent of a person and then try to track to 288 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: where they are. So it's really helpful using them with 289 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Mattie's calls or missing children. They can try to figure 290 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: out and get a scent and try to track them 291 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: at that point. So we called the men, and the 292 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: first time we called the men, we asked them to 293 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: bring in their specialized live fine dogs, and so we 294 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: were able to get into the apartment and get a 295 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: scent article that was hers and the team did their work, 296 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: but they were unable to locate any scent that did 297 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: not go from the front of the apartment to her vehicle. 298 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: She had not been anywhere else outside of and it 299 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: was two different dogs at that time. From her vehicle 300 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: to the apartment and back, that's where the dogs went. 301 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Now that's interesting to me, right. 302 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: We even I said, well, let's just go ahead and 303 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: take the dogs all up and down the apartment complex. 304 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: It was two different buildings. Let's just see if they 305 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: alert on anything. You know, they did not, and can. 306 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: I just jump in real quick just to make sure 307 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: people understand what the detective is doing right now by 308 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: working two different dogs is so smart because it's not 309 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: like somebody can come back and say, well, that dog 310 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: was led, or you know, maybe that dog made a mistake. 311 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: That's why she's running two go ahead detected. 312 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: It's like a peer review mm hmm exactly. So if 313 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: one dog hits on something, they bring in a second 314 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: dog basically to peer review it to make sure it's 315 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: something that was actually scented. Or if one dog doesn't 316 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: hit on anything, they bring in a second opinion. Basically, 317 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: I guess that's the lam in terms. 318 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Yep, that's the perfect way to say it. 319 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: We weren't able to find anything, and at this point 320 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: we were still trying to get download all of the 321 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: video surveillance. This particular complex had seventeen cameras. It was 322 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: in a senior living facility, and anywhere you were on 323 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: that property, if you took two steps outside that building, 324 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: you were on camera. And since there was so much camera, 325 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: and we had such a large time frame, because we 326 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: didn't know technically when she had made it home, because 327 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 2: we were still waiting on her called detailed records, her 328 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: cel phone records, her historical ones. Because what people don't 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: realize is they don't come overnight. Sometimes it takes a week, 330 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: sometimes it takes three weeks to get some records back, 331 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: so we were still waiting on those, so we didn't 332 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: know exactly what time she had made it home. So 333 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: we were pulling over twenty four hours of footage on 334 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: seventy cameras and we had to go through all of 335 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: that footage, and we went through all of that footage, 336 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 2: and it took days for us to go through the footage. 337 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: And then when her call detailed records came in, we 338 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: were able to narrow down the timeframe that we were 339 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: looking for. We were able to locate a time I 340 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: think it was around six thirty or seven thirty PM 341 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: that she see her pull up in her suv. She 342 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: gets out and she walks right into the building. She's 343 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: never to be seen again. About four o'clock the next morning, 344 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: a little bit after four am, you see the suspect 345 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: come out, and you see him go to his truck, 346 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: and then he comes back and he's like in the 347 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: shadows of one of the cameras because the cameras all 348 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: had lights on the top of the poles, so you 349 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: could see his shadow figure and he was trying to 350 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: cover one of the cameras with a black plastic bag. 351 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: And then he goes back into the building, and around 352 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: seven thirty that same morning, he comes out. He pulls 353 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: this truck out and then he backs it into the 354 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: trash compactor area to where now you can't even see 355 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: in the bed of his truck. And when he had 356 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: originally pulled in, the bet of his truck was empty. 357 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: About twenty minutes later he pulls out and the bet 358 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: of his truck is filled with stuff. And so when 359 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: we confronted him about it, he said he was taking 360 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: He was the maintenance man, and that he was taking 361 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: stuff to the dump that had been cleaned out of 362 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: residents who had passed away, which is a plausible theory 363 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: because that could have happened. The only problem is is 364 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: there was a large trash bin, like an open dumpster 365 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: type bin in the back of that complex where they 366 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: would dump their trash, but he purposely didn't go there. 367 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: He thought he was smart because he left both his 368 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: work and his personal cell phone at home, so he 369 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: didn't think that we could track him. What he didn't 370 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: realize is that we were tracking him through license plate readers. 371 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: We had gotten him all the way down to a 372 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: couple of different locations outside the city where his license 373 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: plate was hitting on tag readers. Her phone was pinging 374 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: in the exact same locations. So we got another search 375 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: warrant and went back into the apartment and we did 376 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: luminol and that bathroom lit up. Now we've got blood. 377 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: But of course once it's been luminol, a lot of 378 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: people may or may not know that. You can't really 379 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: DNA after that. But we knew we had blood. We 380 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: had blood on the floor, we had blood on the 381 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: door knobs, we had plood on the counters, we had 382 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: blood on her brush. Based off of the I went 383 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: back and looked at some of the bodycam footage from 384 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: previous incidents and then compared them to the photographs of 385 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: the crime scenes. When we did the luminol, all the 386 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: rugs were different, which means he had replaced the rugs. 387 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: We knew at that point that she's deceased, we just 388 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: hadn't found her body. So every place that her phone 389 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: was pinging, we again called out ads ARE, and at 390 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: this point we were asking them to bring the cadaver dogs. 391 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: And so we spent a couple of different days throughout 392 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: the last couple of years searching all up until a 393 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: week before the trial come to find out he had 394 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: already spent twenty eight years in prison for murder. He 395 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: had been out for about little under two years, and 396 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: the murder was so similar because the first murder was 397 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: in Clayton County. He had killed his roommate, and what 398 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: he didn't know is his roommate at the time had 399 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: called nine one one. Basically it was heard over the 400 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: nine one one call and when officers got there, he 401 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: had already wrapped the roommate's body up in the rug. 402 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: And so based off of the similarities, we were able 403 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: to bring that into trial. After a little over a 404 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: week of a trial, he was convicted on the murder charge. 405 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: The judge stated that no uncertain terms, that she knew 406 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: that if he ever got out again, he would murder again, 407 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: so she made sure that he would spend the rest 408 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: of his life behind bars. 409 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, excellent, And again I agree with you the 410 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: team work the other detective in missing person sharing and 411 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: staying with you and seeing this thing through the two 412 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: of you all again, knowing the streets, knowing that pulse, 413 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: knowing what things are about. You cannot overstate the importance 414 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: of that. 415 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: And I'm just thankful for her hard work that when 416 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: it was brought to me, there wasn't much I needed 417 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: to do backwards. I just needed to go forwards. 418 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: Love it. And you know, I want to point out 419 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: for everybody listening to you talking, you keep saying we, 420 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: and I think that is so important for people to understand. 421 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: I tell my children, I married somebody smarter than me. 422 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: The two of y'all are smarter than me. That puts 423 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: me in a great position. Baby, when they're you kidding, 424 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: I want to be the dumbest person in the room. 425 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: But when you have people that you admire and you 426 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: trust that are going to help you and show up 427 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: for you, I mean, that's what Zone Heaven's all about. 428 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know this because you're APD. But that's 429 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: why I named the podcast what I did because we 430 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: got six police zwns in Atlanta. But that Zone seven, Baby, 431 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: those are your people. 432 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: Those are your people. Those are definitely your people. 433 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Yes one, and listen talking about your people, I just 434 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: have to bring one thing up. You are so accomplished 435 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: and you have specialized training and you are seasoned, you're 436 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: a veteran, but there is somebody that you call every 437 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: now and then. That's a part of your original zone seven. 438 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: Tell everybody why you sometimes call your mama. 439 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: I call my mama and I call my daddy. So 440 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: I call my mama. And it's so funny. Every time 441 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: I catch a case, within twenty four hours, my mom 442 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: calls and goes, did you catch a case? Yes? I did. 443 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: She always goes, well, who died? I'm like, you don't 444 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 2: know them, mama, If you. 445 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: Just don't know them, but what a lovely heart, what 446 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: a precious person. 447 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: That's a sweetheart. Yes, and you know, and I'll tell 448 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: her a little bit about the case. But I remember 449 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: when I first made it to homicide, she did not 450 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 2: have the stomach for it. So she's like, no, no, no, no, 451 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: just go to your dad. Just go to your dad. 452 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: And so I just go, you know, into my dad's 453 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: office and be like, let's talk. But my mom, I 454 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: call her, well one. My mom is one of my 455 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: best friends. We talk every day. We see each other 456 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 2: once a week for family dinner. I like being able 457 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: to call her because she is a part of ATSAR. 458 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: She is a member of Alpha Team Canine Search and Rescue, 459 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: and she just recently retired her canine, Bonnie, who was 460 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: named after my grandmama. And Willa overhere. My dog was 461 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: named after my great aunt. You know, whenever I need 462 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: something like today, she's or tomorrow she's training. But last 463 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 2: week she was on a search for APD and they 464 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: ended up finding the body of a missing person. 465 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: You know. 466 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: So we're very, very thankful for even civilian volunteers who 467 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: come out and help us in our time of need, 468 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: because we, as police officers, we can't do it all. 469 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: I caught a case a couple of years ago, and 470 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: that was right when our nominal one call system went 471 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: down and all the cameras in the city went down. 472 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: It was a really big ordeal. And so I'm looking 473 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: around and I'm like, we have no cameras, we have 474 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: no recordings, no no on one calls. So I'm on 475 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: scene and I call my father. You were policing back 476 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: in the non digital age. What would you do? I mean, 477 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: I knew I needed to do a neighborhood canvas, and 478 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, there were certain things I could do. And 479 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: he just laughs at me. I could hear him laughing. 480 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: He put the phone down and walked away and was 481 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: laughing so hard. And I was like, this is not fun. Me. 482 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a crime scene and I'm 483 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: you know, but I'm very thankful that I'm so close 484 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: to my parents. But my dad has that knowledge because 485 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: he's retired APD, but he has that crime scene knowledge 486 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: of pre digital age and that's where a lot of 487 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: us get it from my partner, Detective Thorpe, and I'm 488 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: and he just recently retired. But there's no better way 489 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: to solve a case than leave your desk, go to scenes, 490 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: talk to people, canvas, neighborhoods, talk to family. You can't 491 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: solve your homicide from behind your desk. 492 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I love the fact that your daddy had to put 493 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: the phone down and walk away laughing. 494 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: But it's not like I was six years old, eard. 495 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: But here's the great thing. A lot of the things 496 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: that you're talking about, you can tell people, and you 497 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: can give instruction and you can give advice, but there's 498 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: some things you can't teach. And one of those things 499 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: is common sense what your daddy has. And he's got 500 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: this reputation that everybody knows, but he can tell you 501 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: go talk to people. And that's something he did give you. 502 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: That's something that is instilled in you, that is natural 503 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: for you, that I think is a gift. 504 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: And I was talking to him like, dadd, it's like 505 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: one o'clock in the morning. I don't want to make 506 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: these people up. He's like summer because I'm the same way. 507 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to be woking up at one o'clock 508 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: in the morning. But I know the neighborhood I'm met 509 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: in another majority of the people here probably can be 510 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: leaving for work in a couple hours, and I don't 511 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: want to have to, you know, disturb their sleep. But 512 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: I also have a homicide to solve. So you're in 513 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: a dilemma. And it was one of those moral things 514 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: for me, where Okay, should I just sit out here 515 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: for five hours and wait for people to start leaving 516 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: so I can then start knocking on doors? Or do 517 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: I go ahead and start knocking on doors? 518 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: What did your daddy tell you to do? 519 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 2: Go knock on doors? I was like, oh, amen, right on, 520 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: I went knocked on doors. He goes, don't stand out 521 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: there for five hours? Okay? And I knew I mean, 522 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: And the thing is is that I knew this, h 523 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: but I just I wanted to respect people's privacy and 524 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to respect people's sleep. Basically, m H. 525 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Well, you're also going to scare the daylights out of 526 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: some people. 527 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: Exactly, and I didn't want to do that. I would 528 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: rather than get a good night's sleep. And then Hi, 529 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: I'm a homicide detective. Right outside you wanted to We 530 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: had somebody shot last night and they're dead. Because if 531 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: you tell somebody I don't want to talk in the morning, 532 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: they're not going back sleep. 533 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: And you know, you've had the opportunity to work with 534 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: some folks that I think people in Zone seven no, 535 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: Vince Felasquez and David Quinn. You've worked with other people, 536 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: those two specifically for me, and I've watched them many 537 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: many times in person. Naturally can talk to anybody. It 538 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's somebody on the street or if 539 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: it's somebody in the White House. They are the same, 540 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: they are even they are caring. They're just authentically who 541 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: they are. They're never any different ever, And you know 542 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: it works, It works so beautifully when you're paired up 543 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: with that right person. And like you were talking about 544 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Detective Thorpe, when you have that chemistry, sugar, you can't 545 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: beat it. 546 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: And one thing, like before you go into inner interview, 547 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: especially when it's a suspect interview. You really need to 548 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: know who that person is before you walk into that interview. Yes, 549 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: you know all about the case because it's your case, 550 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: but do you know anything about the person? 551 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: Do you know? 552 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: Are they going to talk to you because you're a female? 553 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: Would they talk to a male more than you? Or 554 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: a male detective? Should I send in a mother figure? 555 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: You know, people don't think about that. Sometimes when they're 556 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: watching us on TV, they're like, well, why did they 557 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: send that person in and the lead detective didn't go in. 558 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because your ego is not that important. 559 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: You've got your priority straight. And if somebody else can 560 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: connect with that person, so be it. 561 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: Exactly. We all are on the same team. We're all 562 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: going for the same goal. Doesn't matter who crosses the 563 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: finish line, as long as that finish line is crossed. 564 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I think sometimes that takes some new folks 565 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: a little while to learn. They think they have to 566 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: know everything, they think they have to do everything, and 567 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: that's not possible. And the analogy that I have given 568 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: to my own children is I can throw a party tonight, 569 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: but if I include my sister Charlene, the music just 570 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: got better. If I include my sister Sheila, I've got 571 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: more chairs and tables. If I include my sister Schaern, 572 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: we got nice china, y'all. If I include Shelley, let 573 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: me just say, the party got better. Okay, those of 574 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: y'all that know Shelley know what I'm talking about. So again, 575 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: I can throw a party or I can have an 576 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: epic event if I include other people. And that's what 577 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: I see, and that's what I have always seen with 578 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: Atlanta Homicide. 579 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: We work really really well together, and we take new 580 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: detectives under our wing. You know, we have a new 581 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: detective right now and he is going to shine. He 582 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: is showing amazing progress Detective York. And you know, even 583 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: before he got to homicide, he would do anything to say, hey, 584 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: I heard you guys caught a case and you're looking 585 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: for this type of car. He would have already given 586 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: us by the time I got back to my office, 587 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: and there would be a car that we were looking for. 588 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: He'd already searched all this information. Is like, here, your 589 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: car's popping here, now popping here. Now, I'm like, and 590 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: you're not even in homestelling yet, but hey, come on, 591 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: come on to my desk. 592 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: Yes, come to my desk, give me some. I'll tay 593 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: love it. I'll take it all day. Well, now, I 594 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: don't want to tell your personal business, but you do 595 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: have a special female in your life. Can we please 596 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: talk about Willa? 597 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Yes we can. And for everybody out there that doesn't 598 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: know who will is. Willa is my three year old. 599 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: Labradoodle, the most precious labradoodle. 600 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: An amazing gift that I got in twenty twenty. 601 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: When I watch you, and especially over social media, when 602 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: I see the two of y'all together, she is such 603 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: a vital part of that work life balance that I 604 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: preach about. 605 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, the first year of her life, she actually was 606 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: at the office with me every day, and what we 607 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: learned was that no matter how bad a crime scene was, 608 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: when we got into the office, she lit us up, 609 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: She made a smile. It was like a stress reliever. 610 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Automatically as soon as we walked back into the office 611 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: that there was a dog there that just wanted to 612 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: say hi and play with everybody. And it gave us 613 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: a good five to ten minutes of not thinking about 614 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 2: work to where we had basically were able to balance 615 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: our emotions back down. And that was the whole reason. 616 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: I had brought her in from seven weeks old until 617 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: she was a year old. And at that point, you know, 618 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: when a dog gets to a year old, they're like 619 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: in they're terrible twos. I'm like, okay, we're gon have 620 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: to back this off a little bit. At that point, 621 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: I had a gate that was blocking off my cubicle 622 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: and had to you know, she was one of those 623 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: that wanted your attention twenty four to seven. I'm like, okay, 624 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to take you home now because you're 625 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: getting the terrible twos. But you know, I still try 626 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: to take her to the office about once a month. 627 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: People requesting her to come to the office. They're like, hey, 628 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: I call her, you know, a case and it's pretty bad. 629 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: Can you bring williby? Sure, you know, and I take 630 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: Will to the office. But on social media you may 631 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: see me in a photo and Will is not far 632 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: from me. The two of us come together. I love 633 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: dogs more than anything, and I'm very, very thankful to 634 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: have her because when I come home at that every day, 635 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: I may have had a stressful day or you know, 636 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: really horrible crime scene. She's always happy to see me. 637 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: She's done complain and she's just jumping all over me, like, 638 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: are we gonna go for my rot walk now? Or 639 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: you know, gets me out running every day. And I 640 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: don't think I could probably do this job emotionally without 641 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 2: that companionship. 642 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: I have a dog Traveler and we named her that 643 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: because she goes everywhere with us. 644 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: That is awesome. What kind of dog? 645 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: She's a sheephoo whoa Oh honey, she is seven pounds 646 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: of fury, let me tell you. And all she wants 647 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: to do is be around us. I mean, COVID was 648 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: the greatest thing in the world to her because Walt 649 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: and the kids were home twenty four to seven, you know, 650 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: but when we've had her fifteen years and Caroline was 651 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: five and we had just picked her up and we 652 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: were in the car and everybody's kind of taking turns 653 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: holding her and you know, you don't ever know, you know, 654 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: how are they going to be in the car or whatever, 655 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: and she was just so fabulous. I mean, no Barkin, 656 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: no crying, no Biden, no nothing, and walk kept saying, 657 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: you're such a good traveler, You're a good traveler. Well, Caroline, 658 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: only being five, thought that was her name, and so 659 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: she just started saying, I love you, Traveler. You know 660 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: you're You're a sweet girl traveler. So we just called 661 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: her traveler. But she's been everywhere with us except Argentina 662 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: because they had, you know, that incubation process or whatever 663 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: where they had to take her for thirty days and 664 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: we just couldn't do that. But I meant quarantine. Whatever 665 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: I said was wrong. Where'd I say incubation? Okay? See, 666 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: that's why I can't be our pio? What'd she say? 667 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: Tell you what? The day I went and picked up 668 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 2: Will We picked her up in Jackson, Georgia, my mom 669 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: and I. I was so nervous because I hadn't had 670 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: a puppy in so long. I'd had Colonel with my 671 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: first dog when I was in my early twenties, and 672 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: he died at fifteen years. After fifteen years, but he 673 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: passed away. And then in twenty twenty, I had had 674 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: a dog named Indy for about eight years and I 675 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: loved every minute of it. But twenty twenty was a 676 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: hard year for a lot of people. COVID and protests 677 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 2: and police departments including Atlanta. We were put on twelve 678 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 2: hour shifts, off days canceled, and so I knew I 679 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: couldn't keep him in the house for twelve hours, so 680 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: I asked my parents, you know, could y'all watch him 681 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: while we're having to deal with these details? And they're like, yeah, sure, wasn't. 682 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: A month later, my dad called says, you're not getting 683 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: your dog back, okay. So I was like, now what 684 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: am I gonna do once I don't have an animal 685 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: to go home too? So I found a labordod breeder 686 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: online down in Jackson, Georgia, and I was like I 687 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 2: immediately fell in love with Willa immediately. She had sent 688 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: me a picture of all the entire litter and I 689 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: was like, Nope, that one's mine. And when I went 690 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: down to get her, I was so nervous. I was like, 691 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what if I'm not going to be 692 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: a good mom to a puppy. I was like, do 693 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: I have everything I need? And my mother's looking at 694 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: me like we just went to the store. We bought crates, 695 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: we bought food, we bought treats, we bought two bags, 696 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: we bought toys, we bought you know. I'm like, I know, 697 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: but do I have enough? She's like, oh my gosh, 698 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna spoil this child. 699 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, all you gotta do is love them, and 700 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: that you're gonna do. The res the toys and the trees, 701 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: you know. 702 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: And she is the unconditional love back. 703 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: Mm hm yep. Just when you described going back in 704 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: the station or coming into the house, that's everything. Detective 705 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Summer Benton, thank you so much for joining us tonight. 706 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Thank you for having me. 707 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 708 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: always do with a quote. Homicide is the major leagues, 709 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: the center ring the show. It always has been. It 710 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: goes beyond academic degrees, specialized training or book learning, because 711 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: all the theory in the world means nothing if you 712 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: can't read the street. David Simon, I'm Cheryl McCollum and 713 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: this is Zone seven.