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Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you

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Speaker 3: with their sixth studio album, Luck or Something, her first

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I swear to god, I'm not trying to do an

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Speaker 1: I feel like whatever reason my purpose is to be

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Speaker 3: I love what you said about that feeling that I

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00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 3: think we all go through and you find your person.

440
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 3: I've been with my wife for thirteen years now, I'm

441
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Speaker 3: married for ten. Congrat thank you, And yeah, it's our

442
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: ten twadying anivisy this year, and so it's really exciting

443
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: to celebrate. But like, when I think about it that way,

444
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 3: I love what you said about this point that when

445
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: you first meet someone who actually loves you and is

446
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 3: kind to you, and.

447
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: It's really hard to accept.

448
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: It's really hard to accept both based on how others

449
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: have treated us and how we've treated ourselves. I feel

450
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: like it's a mix of both of those experiences.

451
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: I agree with that, right, It's.

452
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: Almost like you're wrestling with it. I don't know how

453
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: I felt before in the past. Is that how you

454
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Speaker 3: describe it? How would you describe it?

455
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want to like poke holes in it

456
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: to make sure it's like steady enough, you know. Yeah,

457
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: that's what I felt like I was doing. I think

458
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: it added an extra pressure that I had a child already,

459
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: and like I didn't want to expose him to something

460
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't like for sure going to stick and work

461
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: out for me.

462
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

463
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just feel so settled in a good way,

464
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm so happy that I'm like, God, your intuition

465
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: works and it's good because it is really it is.

466
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: To commit your life to someone is a very big choice.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah, after you do it and you spend a few

468
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: years together, you realize how big it is. Right, Like

469
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: I was like when I made that commitment, I actually

470
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: don't think I had a clue what that commitment meant, right,

471
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: and then years later you're like, oh, okay, now I'm

472
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: actually living that commitment. Yes, when I made it that

473
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 3: day on my wedding day, it was kind of just

474
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: like it it felt naturally, it felt real, but I

475
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: almost hadn't really experienced what it meant to say that,

476
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: if that makes any sense.

477
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Speaker 2: How old were you when you got married?

478
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: We were I was twenty eight and my wife was

479
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: twenty five and so.

480
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: So pretty young. Yeah yeah, yeah, I wonder if it's

481
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: like that by design?

482
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean, because marriage.

483
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: Is like so hard and it's such a big choice

484
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: that I wonder if you do it like at a

485
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: slightly younger stage of your life or else you wouldn't

486
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: do it because it's such like a crazy.

487
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 3: That's a good fight.

488
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: It's such a crazy thing to commit, it is.

489
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: It is. Yeah, me and my wife are talked about

490
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: that before. I feel like it was older compared to

491
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: people we knew back in London. We got married late.

492
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh you did, compared to a lot of our friends.

493
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: You got married very early.

494
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Speaker 2: Then you guys moved to la and you're like, no,

495
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: one's very exactly.

496
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: That we were doing, Like, oh wait, there's no rules.

497
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 3: This is great, Like you know, we've got friends like

498
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: marrying it for you having kids afoid, Like no one cares.

499
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: And it was nice. It was refreshing actually from coming

500
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 3: from a culture where people were getting married at twenty two,

501
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty four to twenty five and being able

502
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: to have that space. But we've talked about that many

503
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: times where we're like, oh my gosh, we've grown so much.

504
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: And my wife especially, she feels like she's been so

505
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: many different versions of herself in the last thirteen years that.

506
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: It's amazing and speaks volumes of your relationship. That she

507
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: could be so many versions of herself in a marriage,

508
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like take on, you said,

509
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: lots of different versions of herself. It's very hard to

510
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: like grow. I think a lot of the growth that

511
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: I did outside of motherhood happened before I was in

512
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: a relationship or in between being in a relationship, which

513
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: is like kind of just being alone with yourself.

514
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, So basically you're saying that I must be amazing, amazing.

515
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm so patient and so flexible, and I.

516
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: Didn't want to like pump the ego.

517
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Speaker 3: I know, thank you, and that was what I was

518
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: getting at. Yeah, my wife's is so lucky that I've

519
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: been like Soti. It's been the other way around on many,

520
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: many occasions. But marriage is so hot. It is so

521
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 3: hard to grow with someone. It is so hard to

522
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: continue to grow. It's so hard to grow at a

523
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: different pace. It's so hard to grow at opposite paces.

524
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes it feels like, and yeah, what would you say

525
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 3: the biggest lessons you took away from your first marriage

526
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: that really have helped you in that healing transition.

527
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Speaker 1: I don't love to talk about this too much, because

528
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like in that time of my life,

529
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: I was so ready to get married, I was in

530
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: something that I really adored. I was ready to have

531
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Speaker 1: a baby. I was ready to have something my own,

532
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: you know that I could just like focus on and

533
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: it be mine. And like my life felt out of

534
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: my hands a little bit at that moment, and I

535
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: just wanted to like shrink it. I've been pretty open about,

536
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, being a divorce person and what that's like,

537
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: and being a single mom and being you know kind

538
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: of like choosing to like end a family is a

539
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: huge horrible choice to make, but I also co parent

540
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: that with that person, and we do a great job

541
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: mostly sometimes there's bumps and frustrations, but again ebbs and flows, right,

542
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: but like we adore this person that we created and

543
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: we do a great job. This is like before, you know,

544
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: conscious uncoupling was like a coined a term, and we

545
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: really tried to do that. I really tried to do that,

546
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Like you just grow, yeah, and I think I did.

547
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Speaker 3: You struck me as someone who like follows your intuition.

548
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: You even said it earlier when you were talking about

549
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: you can't relationship. You're like I'm so glad my intuition

550
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: is right.

551
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

552
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: And then I was like, and the album's called Luck

553
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: or Something, and so I want to ask you, what's

554
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: the relationship between intuition and luck? And has your career

555
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: and journey and even this inspiration behind this album? How

556
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: much of it has been luck and how much of

557
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: it's been intuition.

558
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has been intuition, and

559
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that falls under the category of the or

560
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: Something part of it where I'm like, actually, I deserve

561
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: some credit here. I feel incredibly lucky. I don't know

562
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: why me, but I do know that I've also worked

563
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: really hard, and I know that I've had to go

564
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: through a lot.

565
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: The title is pretty loaded.

566
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: And can mean a whole and does mean a whole

567
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: bunch of different things to me, like what I just said,

568
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: But also it's a Koy way of like responding to

569
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: a question I'm constantly asked, which is like, how are

570
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: you so normal? How did you get through this? And

571
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, luck or Something, I got it. But I

572
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: think the or something is the real weighted It's.

573
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: Good when you think you're lucky and everyone else realizes

574
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: it was hard work. It's kind of what I think

575
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: is like the accurate assessment. Anyone that I know that

576
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: I believe has achieve something amazing. When I say achieve

577
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: something amazing, I think it's it could be being grounded

578
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: in a difficult industry, it could be something athletically successful,

579
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: like whatever you define as greatness or success or winning.

580
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: It's the problem becomes when everyone else views it as lucky,

581
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: and you know you view it as hard work and

582
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 3: it's like beautiful when like you said, I'd see myself

583
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: as lucky, like I don't know why me like that's beautiful,

584
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: and then if we can, but it's always the other

585
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: way around. It's almost like, yeah, people like to think.

586
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: I got asked that the other day. I was asked

587
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: someone's asking me in an interview like why do you

588
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: think people listen to you and why do they connect

589
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: with you? And I was like, to be honest, I

590
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: always struggle with that question because I feel really grateful

591
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: and fortunate that anyone even cares to listen to me.

592
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: I remember speaking to rooms of like three people, and

593
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: so I feel completely humbled by where it's gone. And

594
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: then I was like, at the same time, like, I

595
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: think it's because of me. I'm doing this for a

596
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: long time. I've done it for longer offline than I

597
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: have online.

598
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like honestly, when I zoom out, and like, it

599
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: would be hard for you to answer this way, but

600
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, probably because you're smart, you know what I mean.

601
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Probably because you're smart.

602
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Probably because I think that you have a gift and

603
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: you can connect with people. I feel like I have

604
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: a similar gift like that, like some for some reason,

605
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I resonate with people in a certain way. And but

606
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: like you have to take credit for what you build,

607
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: and you also can feel lucky, and you also can

608
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: feel immense gratitude and you know, how did I get here?

609
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Feelings? But like you're also smart and you're good at

610
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: what you do.

611
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: Very sweet. I appreciate that. I appreciate coming from you.

612
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: But I like what you're saying about the idea of

613
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: all these things can coexist. Yeah, And that's why I

614
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: like the luck or something. I think you're so right,

615
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: Like we're allowed to feel all of these emotions. Like

616
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: there's pride, there's gratitude, there's luck, there's intuition, there's and

617
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: confusion even still, and insecurities and and everything, and it's

618
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: almost like when we're forced to be like, tell me

619
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: the one thing that changed your life, and you're like, yeah, yeah,

620
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: it's I luck or something is the new new answer.

621
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: Now that's what I'm going to use every time. I'm

622
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: gonna yeah, if I'm going to use it now, I'm

623
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: going to encourage lots of people to use it because yeah,

624
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: and I honestly we've only met briefly, but like, the

625
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: the impact you've had on people proves that there's so

626
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: much hard work, so much talent, so I should give

627
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: like so much, you know, because you can't have that.

628
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: People grow up watching a lot of people, it doesn't

629
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: mean that you carry that same impact. So same back

630
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: at you, and it's yeah, it's it's something that's very

631
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: visceral and in anyone that's followed you for a long time.

632
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to jump into your album because I've been

633
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: getting to listen to it, which I've really enjoyed, which

634
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: is so wonderful for me. And I'm I'm very deep

635
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: into because I love words and I love spoken word,

636
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: I love poetry, I love I took out some lyrics

637
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: that really I felt were beautiful and powerful, so I

638
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: may read your own lyrics back to you. I can't

639
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: sing them back to you because I can't sing to

640
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: say my life, but I may read them back to you.

641
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you about this one. So

642
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: you say in your song weather for Tennis, you're right,

643
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: or you sing I'm a seasoned apologist for the people

644
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: who I love. I'm an amateur psychologist, the key to

645
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: everyone's handcuffs, keep the peace because I'm a kid of

646
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: divorce and you're the starter of wars and there's no

647
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: winning in yours. Where does that show up in your

648
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: life today? Like? Where did that come from? And where

649
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: does it show up?

650
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I think it's talking about being the person who's smooth

651
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: silver and makes everything right and extends themselves and continues

652
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: to show up and try to make things easy for everyone.

653
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: And you're talking about being in a relationship that is

654
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: going to keep playing a game, and you know, towards

655
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: the end of the song you finally realize, like I'm

656
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: going to put it end to this. The message behind

657
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: it is a feeling that a lot of people can

658
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: relate to of just it's exhausting to keep up always

659
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: being the one to make things right or to carry

660
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: the burden or to make the call, or to stay

661
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: the bigger person, and keeping the peace because you're a

662
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: kid of divorce is obviously very relatable. People don't need

663
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: too much explaining on that one. I think it's definitely

664
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: a role that I play in my life. And Matt

665
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: had this amazing idea for the song. We started playing

666
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: tennis together, and I think that it was definitely inspired

667
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: by just like the game of tennis and kind of

668
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: applying it to a relationship, a romantic relationship that's probably

669
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: not going to work out.

670
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: Expand on that further with a tennis analogy. For me, the.

671
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Chorus is if it ain't the weather for tennis, then

672
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I guess we can argue until dinner time. So it's

673
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: just kind of about a game being played and a

674
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: cycle that is constant repeating. Right before we started writing

675
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: the record together, maybe a year before, I was like,

676
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: if we're going to last the long haul, we need sport.

677
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: We need to learn how to play a sport together.

678
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: So we picked up tennis, and I also forced him

679
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: to learn how to ski, which is like one of

680
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: his favorite things to do now and we love to ski.

681
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: But I think that I think the chorus was inspired

682
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: for him because we had started playing the game of tennis.

683
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: I think you're spot on. I think so many kids

684
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: can feel like they were the peacemaker in their family.

685
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people who have gone to therapy

686
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: or talked about that with me and this idea of

687
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: just they were the one trying to like calm everyone down.

688
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: And people have different versions of this, right Like you

689
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: meet comedians who did it through making everyone laugh and

690
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: then that becomes their journey and that's very on the

691
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: nose example. But all of us have played some sort

692
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: of role of being mediators. I often feel is that

693
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: I do what I do today because I mediate my parents'

694
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: marriage growing up, and so I was the kid who

695
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: is like a ten years old like listening to both

696
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: sides and helping them connect and trying to find the

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: points at which they could relate to each other. And

698
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: I don't regret doing that. I'm actually very happy I

699
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: did that. I gave me great skills for life.

700
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: My parents divorced when I was around eighteen, and I

701
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: feel like that was a really hard time.

702
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: Because I was like kind of an adult.

703
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And then you like have You're like, did they just

704
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: stay together to get us to this point and now

705
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: you have guilt that they were like unhappy or just

706
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: like so many different things.

707
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: I gave up being the piecework of it when I

708
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: became around twenty one. So I remember that time vividly

709
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: in my life where I did.

710
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: That feel like giving that up, making the choice to

711
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not doing that anymore.

712
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough because there were certain members of

713
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: my family that felt that I was giving up my responsibility.

714
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: And You're like, this actually wasn't my job in the

715
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: first place.

716
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: Correct, And so so that was the I remember that

717
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: being the tension where I was like, I love my parents,

718
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for everything they've given me. I'm really valuable

719
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be who I amped that if I

720
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: didn't have this situation that I grew up in. But

721
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: I think now's the time that I've spent however many

722
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: obviously I didn't start meeting when I was four years old,

723
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: but I've spent whatever ten years in my life trying

724
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 3: to figure this out and I'm not capable. So there's

725
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: a part of me that felt like a failure. There's

726
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: part of me that felt like, you know, like that

727
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: I was right, and I was free to give up

728
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: the media and the peace part that you're talking about.

729
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: But I think that's what's so interesting is that I

730
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: gave up that responsibilit at twenty one, even though I

731
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: saw the decision at ten. But did you ever get

732
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: answers to your wise and your questions or was that

733
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 3: something that you kind of found on your own.

734
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: I think it was really hard for them to be

735
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: honest with each other, and there was a lot of

736
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: like fighting, and it wasn't not like they could hang

737
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: out and be in the same room. And so when

738
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: it came from me getting divorced, I was like, I'm

739
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: not going to have that. Yeah, we're going to be

740
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: like do holidays together as much as we can. And

741
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: not that it was always easy, but it felt way

742
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: easier than the alternative.

743
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah for sure.

744
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't.

745
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't. My dad and I don't really have much

746
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: of a relationship and we don't speak very often. It's

747
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: hard because I think there's not a whole bunch of answers,

748
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: and it's you kind of hear one side and then

749
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: try to take from it what you believe and then

750
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: you know the same on the other and it's really

751
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: it's really hard. I think if a family breaks apart

752
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: very dramatically, it's hard to find your way back sometimes,

753
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: and some people want to and some people don't.

754
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I feel like as the older you get,

755
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: you realize you've got to answer the questions yourself and

756
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: find you've got to kind of find the full stop

757
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: by yourself, kind of like the point that you're making

758
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: in this lyric of just I've decided I'm not taking

759
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: on this responsibility and whatever. In whatever way you played it,

760
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: do you do you feel sometimes do you feel free

761
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: of it? Or is it? Is it always like something

762
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: that no, as you played that role, you're always kind

763
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: of conditioned to play that role.

764
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit like muscle memory, where

765
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: you lean on it and then you have to remember

766
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: some of the dough therapy or wherever you find your solace,

767
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: Like you have to keep pushing those good habits or

768
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: good things to say to yourself to cope and make

769
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: different choices.

770
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: It's almost like that conditioning pulls you back and then

771
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: you've got to find this new thought process, almost like

772
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: learning new lines as an actor and going, well, yeah,

773
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: this is the new life that I want to build.

774
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: And even what you just said about how you knew

775
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: that when you went through it, you didn't want to

776
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: mirror some of those behaviors, and you're like, no, we're

777
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: going to do We're going to do holidays together and

778
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: we're going to change things, because that is that muscle

779
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: that is tearing away, that muscle memory and going I'm

780
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: going to change it.

781
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

782
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another amazing lyric that I love that I

783
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: took apart here. So this one, Okay.

784
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: Don't tell me what song it's from?

785
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

786
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: I like to play games.

787
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Oh I didn't know. Okay, fine, if you

788
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: want to play game, we're gonna play some games later

789
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: we get okay, but you get I won't tell you

790
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: what song it's wrong, okay, So the first question will

791
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: be what song is it from? After I read okay, okay,

792
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: I like this. This is good. I should have done

793
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: it like that. We come from the same home, the

794
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: same blood, a different explanation of the same thought. People

795
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: ask if I've seen you, and honestly, I hate it

796
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: because the truth is that I need to. But there's

797
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: no way to relay it, not if we don't talk.

798
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: So that's from we don't talk, and this is a

800
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: hard one for me. This is a really tough one.

801
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: My sister and I don't speak, and I think in

802
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: my adulthood, I've come across more and more people that

803
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: are having this experience, and as painful as it feels

804
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: to share, when I decided to make this record, I

805
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: could only talk about the things that I've gone through,

806
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Like there would be no purpose to make a record

807
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: after ten years then to be than to face you know,

808
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: what it's been like. So that's my truth, and I

809
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: really worked hard to lyrically make sure that I'm just

810
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: speaking about my experience. You know, it's very hard to

811
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: be to be you know, a person who's like had

812
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: their life exposed in the industry for twenty five years.

813
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: And we were talking about you know that earlier, tiptoeing

814
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: around kind of what the elk avesband for some of it.

815
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is it's a very vulnerable song and

816
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a very raw part of my existence. And I

817
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. Sorry,

818
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: there's a tissue.

819
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: That locked and loaded because this happens.

820
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Thank you for being so vulnerable and open with me.

821
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: Because it's can't imagine how hard it is, and I'm

822
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: so sorry that you and error going through that. I'm

823
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: sure it's hard on you both in different ways.

824
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: Totally. I agree with that, it's definitely a raw nerve.

825
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Everybody has their reasons and there's relationships are difficult, even

826
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: with your family.

827
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: Especially with your family especially.

828
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's easier when you aren't connected

829
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: that way.

830
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: And it seems like you yen for that really back

831
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: because you say I need to like it's not it's

832
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: not something that you're kind of throwing away or giving up.

833
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: As you said, there's you. There's a part of you

834
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: that seems hope it changes.

835
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: That's the person I grew up with. The only one

836
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: I really hope she.

837
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: I really hope she hears the song. Yeah, I hope

838
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: she hears it, and I hope it's at least the

839
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: beginning of some way back to whatever it is that's

840
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: good for both of you and that you desire, because

841
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: whatever that looks like. That's what's hard with family is

842
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: that we assume that good looks like everything's close and

843
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: everything's perfect, and that's what we think when we're growing

844
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: up and we get older, and we go, oh, wait,

845
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't always look.

846
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Like that you desire, like in family like this picture,

847
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and that's not reality a lot of the times for people.

848
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: And so you're like, you get to a certain age.

849
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: I mean I have my own family who is put

850
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: first no matter what, and I've gotten to make different

851
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: rules for my family.

852
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, you get to a certain age.

853
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: Where you're like, oh, that doesn't feel good or that's

854
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: not right, or that's you know, it's very hard to

855
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: think of family and the way that you grow up

856
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: thinking of family when yes, so much shifts and changes,

857
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: and I love my family in certain ways in certain memories,

858
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: and also like huge struggles have you know occurred, not

859
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: like putting that one responsibility on anybody involved, you know,

860
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: assuming some myself. So you know, it's very complicated.

861
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think family is complicated. You absolutely right. Thank

862
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: you for being so open and honest the you know,

863
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: to the point that we can tell just how hard

864
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: this is for you and how heavy it all is.

865
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: And I'm sure everyone is listening right now is thinking that. God,

866
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: I know exactly what relationship in my life makes me

867
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: feel that way, whether it's the sibling of father, a

868
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: parent or family member, and so yeah, yeah, thank you

869
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: for going there. I'm going to do one more. You

870
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: can guess the song through one more lyrics.

871
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: It yea lyrics made me cry.

872
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not making you cry. I hate to

873
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: be the one making you cry. That is not my

874
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 3: intention whatsoever. And I and I respect you too much

875
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: to do you tell me how you feel about stuff

876
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: like yeah, this is the last lyric of doing so

877
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: we went, I promise, Okay. What I find fascinating about

878
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: you is your lyrics are so real and raw and clear,

879
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: and they are so resonant with with anyone and everyone

880
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: who's going through similar things through you are, which I

881
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: think many many people are. And so often when I

882
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: read lyrics they're so metaphorical. But you was like poetic

883
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 3: but real, and so this one you can guess the song.

884
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: So the lyric goes, I wish I could sleep on planes,

885
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: and then my father would really love me. He'd show

886
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: up on my wedding day and tell my family they're

887
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 3: all so lucky, tell me how he wish he stayed,

888
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: and that he never meant to disappoint me. Until then,

889
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: I'll exist as the optimist.

890
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: I think more just.

891
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Being very vulnerable and open about what it's like to

892
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: be in a family that you know your parents aren't

893
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: together and you don't have, you know, relationships with both

894
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: your parents. It's devastating and it feels I don't think.

895
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't matter what age you are. You

896
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: want your parents to feel like they care about you.

897
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: And big portion of my existence hasn't felt like that.

898
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the truth, but that's how

899
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: it feels, and so that's just what I'm sharing in

900
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: that song The Optimist. I love that song so much.

901
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: I think I live in this world that like I'm

902
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: really happy, I'm really like goofy, I'm really silly. A

903
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: lot of hard things have happened to me, and I

904
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: think that with the album, I wanted to share that

905
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: emotional depth and that some of that heaviness, but like

906
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: Disguised with you know, a very joyful track, and I

907
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: think that's like very much how I like to exist

908
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: in the world is like this balance of these two

909
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: things can exist at the same time. And you know,

910
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: the record is a pop record. It feels like you

911
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: want to blast in your car at least I do.

912
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: That's when I knew it was done, you know, But

913
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: they're like life topics, and life is really challenging, really hard,

914
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: really tricky to make the right calls and the wrong calls.

915
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: All it's all just a process, and like a very

916
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: beautiful and messy one. And I feel like the record

917
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: has just so much of that in it, you know,

918
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: it's like a it feels like a capture of ten

919
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: years of different things.

920
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: Flying at you.

921
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: I know you have this other song that we will love.

922
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: I'm not reading out anyonder exactly. I know you have

923
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: this other song that we all love called Mature. I

924
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: was just thinking as you were saying that that there's

925
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: so much maturity in being able to be like, hey,

926
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm fine and goofy, and at the same time there's

927
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: all this stuff going on and yeah, and I think

928
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 3: that's everyone who's growing up with you and is experiencing

929
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: all of that too. And I feel like only knowing

930
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: one side, especially through someone that people have followed and

931
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: continue to follow for so many years, you feel less alone.

932
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: Feel like people are going to feel less alone when

933
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: they listen to this album, but in a good way,

934
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: not just like in their fields, but like you said,

935
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 3: blasting it out. It's a part record. Like I love

936
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: that juxtaposition of making people feel less alone but also

937
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: making them have fun.

938
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: I love that juxtaposition too, And I love that word

939
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: because playing the few little shows that I played before

940
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: I go out this summer was such a cool feeling

941
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: of like the audience one is like my age. So

942
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: they're all adults now and we've grown up together, and

943
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm playing these old songs that feel

944
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: so good to people and hold such a sweet, like

945
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: innocent part of their being. You know, some like that

946
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: meant something to them at a very like pivotal eight

947
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: coming of age, and to get to hold that memory

948
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: for people is such a badge for me. But then

949
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: also to meet them with like the new songs and

950
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of experiences that life is provided was a really

951
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: cool experience. To have them sing like these songs that

952
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: they that they have from the record, you know, to

953
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: seing them and us be adults and be connecting on

954
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: that level is like really really powerful.

955
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: So it's like this.

956
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: Really cool, floaty feeling of like this thing that feels

957
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: really good that we get to lean on and like

958
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: celebrate from our past.

959
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: But you know, be like me too, you know in

960
00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: the now.

961
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: Like that says so much about you because I think

962
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: that you saying that I want people to have that

963
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: experience that meant so much to them, even though you

964
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: have transformed, you have grown, you have changed, you have

965
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: gone through all of this. That just speaks like volumes

966
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: of your character honestly, because it's so easy for people

967
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: to want to like be like tells me, then I'm

968
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: going to leave that behind this and then you mean now,

969
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: and that's generally what we do is humans, so like, yeah,

970
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: that was done and it was cool and yeah, and

971
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: it's like for you to be like, no, I just

972
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 3: love doing it because it brings people so much joy

973
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: and I get to share this part of them Like

974
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: that juxtaposition truly is yeah. I just want to thank

975
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: you for that because I think it shows just how

976
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: much you have in your heart of wanting to make

977
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: people happy and wanting to funding them to have these moments.

978
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: And I think it.

979
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it would have been

980
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: possible for me to do ten years ago. I don't

981
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: know why now all of a sudden, I really don't

982
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: know how to answer, like what shifted and what made

983
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: me find such peace with my past, you know, but

984
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of it now and I get to

985
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: go and celebrate it, and it feels like I get

986
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: to be a part of it with everybody instead of

987
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: trying to like shy away from it and be like

988
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm an adult or I'm changed or I'm different or

989
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: that's not me anymore. Like that is a part of

990
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: me and it will always be like a part of me,

991
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: and it feels really fun to celebrate that with people

992
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: that it meant something to.

993
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: It's almost that we all go through pain and then

994
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: there's transformation, and maybe at ten years ago there was

995
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 3: some transformation happening in your life, but now you're coming

996
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: back as a celebration, and a celebration is like how

997
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: we look back at our whole life. Like I went

998
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 3: to three seventieth birthdays last year, and I looked at

999
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: life like totally different because I'm thirty eight same yeah, yeah,

1000
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: were the same age, And I went to onto these

1001
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: three seven year old birthdays. Two of them I'm very

1002
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: close with, one of them I'm becoming closer with. And

1003
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: they had like their kids, grandkids, they had all their

1004
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: friends that were important at different phase of their life.

1005
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: And everyone gave speeches and like it was and I'm

1006
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: a stucker for this stuff, like I love to love,

1007
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: love and friendship and all this stuff. Yeah, and I

1008
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: was like, wow, like when you're seventy, like life just

1009
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 3: looks so different and it's what you just said. It's

1010
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: like you're at a point where you're celebrating your you

1011
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: know that you're seventy years old and not not saying that.

1012
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's spirit. I had a lot of chapters,

1013
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: you know that.

1014
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: It's really weird. People will be like, oh, what is it.

1015
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: What do you remember from this time? I'm like, what

1016
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: do you remember from twenty five years ago? Like certain

1017
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: things stand out, but yeah, that's that's amazing. Definitely, when

1018
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: you get to seventy, I can imagine. If I'm almost

1019
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: at forty and feeling the thing that everyone told me

1020
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: I was going to feel at forty, imagine what seventy

1021
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: is like to get there and like a life well

1022
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: lived and having people from your eras show up and

1023
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, speak for you and have relationships as long

1024
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: as you can have at seventy.

1025
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: You know, it's cool. Yeah, really cool.

1026
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: Has making music and writing being your therapy? Has that

1027
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: been your outlets. How would you describe making this album?

1028
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it therapy? Is it transformative? Is it

1029
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 3: is it celebration? Or like what is it for you

1030
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: and what does it give you?

1031
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: I think that what really triggered me wanting to make

1032
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: an album was having my fourth child and being like,

1033
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: I love motherhood.

1034
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with my kids.

1035
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Obviously, I wouldn't have four kids if I wasn't like

1036
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: deeply utterly obsessed with like the way they run through

1037
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: the house, the way they breathe, the way we like

1038
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: just the everything about the smallest things are the biggest things,

1039
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: like obsessed with them. But I was like, I can't

1040
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: stay here and just be like in this because I

1041
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: know so much else about myself that has to be like.

1042
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: Stretched.

1043
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: So I think I got really jealous actually of Matt

1044
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: after I had Towns and I was like still nursing

1045
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: and you know, busy with the other kids and like

1046
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: running our household and all of that, all of that responsibility,

1047
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: which I actually genuinely love, but I can't that can't

1048
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: be like it for me. So he was like, going,

1049
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: he has an amazing studio. He was like going to

1050
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: the studio every day and just like getting to have

1051
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: alone time and getting to like sit with things that

1052
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: like bump around his head in his head and like

1053
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: make him tick and like purge, you know, his like

1054
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: creativity and create.

1055
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: And I was just like.

1056
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: I want that too, and he was like cool, like

1057
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: are you serious, Like it's not like for ten years

1058
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: I've been writing songs.

1059
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: I've been like deep in.

1060
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: It's been way easier to like film a TV show,

1061
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: which I also love doing, but like motherhood is a

1062
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: place where you just can completely focus on and throw

1063
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: all of your energy to and then like forget yourself.

1064
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: So being able to know that he has like the

1065
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: front row seat to my whole entire life and then

1066
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: sitting and like figuring out what this is going to

1067
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: sound like and what I'm going to talk about felt

1068
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: so safe and so natural.

1069
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: We have such a busy life.

1070
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was just endless sessions where I'm

1071
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: like we're writing for eight hours. Like a lot of

1072
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: it was like a text and I'd be like, I'm

1073
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: going to get the kids from school, but what if

1074
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: it's this line? It's what if this happens instead of that,

1075
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just like quick phone calls and

1076
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: a conversation in the kitchen while making plates for the kids,

1077
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: Like it just happened really naturally and like a wave

1078
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: that it would happen like this with like the way

1079
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: that we live together.

1080
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: That sounds crazy, chaotic and beautiful? Is it? That's what

1081
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 3: a way to make an album together and what a

1082
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: way to you know, experience, have the experience that you're

1083
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: having and then going off and creating. When when you

1084
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: speak of motherhood, it's so real and at the same time,

1085
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: it's just like so wonderful to hear about it from you,

1086
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: like it's and and I know we were speaking about

1087
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: it a bit earlier when you walked in and just

1088
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: like you like dropping the kids off at sports and

1089
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: like picking them up and even today I think when

1090
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: you arrived you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go get to

1091
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: pick up the kids after this or whatever, you know,

1092
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's so wonderful. And obviously you just

1093
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 3: said like you wouldn't have four kids if you If

1094
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: you didn't what is what would you say is your

1095
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: favorite way of showing love to the kids.

1096
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: One thing that my mom was with me and my

1097
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: dad as a young child, really playful extremely silly and playful,

1098
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: and I.

1099
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: Have that from them.

1100
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: I love that, and I love to play tricks on

1101
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: my kids.

1102
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: I love to like.

1103
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Be silly and get down on their level and just

1104
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: be really playful with them. And I think that's a

1105
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: huge important part of like the parent child relationship. And

1106
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: then time time spent talks deciding to make an album

1107
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: and go on tour.

1108
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to.

1109
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Miss so much that I've really tried to be there

1110
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: for and it could make me cry again thinking about

1111
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, may May, my four year old has her

1112
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: school tea party this Friday, and I'm not going to

1113
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: be there. And like for Banks, I threw the tea

1114
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: party with like three other moms and was there, like

1115
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: and so You're like, this feels off balance, this is fair,

1116
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: but I will make it fair.

1117
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: I'll find a way to make it fair.

1118
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: And so I think just showing up for your kids

1119
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: and giving them the time, even if it's yesterday, I

1120
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: had a really busy day and I flew up the

1121
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: canyon for like forty minutes with May May, with Towns,

1122
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: my youngest and I drove to Luca's soccer practice to

1123
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: go do an hour long interview and then take him

1124
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: to his next soccer practice, and by the time I

1125
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: got home it was like nine pm. But Matt and

1126
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I drove him together because we were both at the

1127
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: studio and then we like walked the track and watched

1128
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: him play soccer. It's like we got our time. Not

1129
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: all the kids got their time, but two of them did.

1130
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: And you just try to like find the balance and

1131
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm not choosing towns this day. I'm

1132
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: choosing me may I'm going to go watch her a

1133
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: dance or I'm going to you know. You just you

1134
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: just find a way to make it work and try

1135
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: to be in tune with what your kids need and

1136
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: keep conversations open.

1137
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: And that's that.

1138
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 3: Do you think about sometimes, like when they get older,

1139
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to them about how like I

1140
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: wasn't at this part where we did this thing, or

1141
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: do you think about it that way or not? Really?

1142
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: Is that? Am I completely missing.

1143
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: The things that kids stick that stick with them?

1144
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, is so devastating.

1145
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: My son, It's so painful.

1146
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: It's so painful, Like my son, please, okay, we are

1147
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: at Disney Disneyland.

1148
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: This is okay.

1149
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: He's thirteen now, so he must have been like eight

1150
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: or nine, and Disneyland's a big deal. We happened to

1151
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: go like every year, but it's a big deal. And

1152
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: he would not get on this roller coaster and I

1153
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: was like, everyone's going on it, like you can't know

1154
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: until you try, Like I ended up pushing it too

1155
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: har making him cry, and it like he wrote like.

1156
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: A a thing about it at school.

1157
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: No.

1158
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what about all the times that I'm amazing?

1159
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, and all the time now and now we

1160
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: can joke and he loves to ride roller coasters and

1161
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I told you, I told you you how

1162
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: to just listen to me that you would know and

1163
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: we could have been having more fun since this age

1164
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: instead of this age. And you know, like we obviously

1165
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: like raz each other a ton, but he's always like,

1166
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: remember that time he made me cry because I want

1167
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: to get on the roller coaster.

1168
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, now we're living down and he's to

1169
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 3: write a new thing in school now about how he

1170
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: loves roller coasters and how it started from that point.

1171
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: They don't see it like that. So I'm going to

1172
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: tell him you said.

1173
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's that's the only fair. But did

1174
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: he ride the roller coaster the first time after you

1175
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: found so oh so it wasn't even that bad. Then.

1176
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: I think he was like, you put someone, you tried

1177
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: to put too much pressure on me, blah blah blah.

1178
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: Now like we just went to Disney World for Christmas

1179
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: with the kids for three days. It was so insane.

1180
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 2: Four kids, Disney World three days?

1181
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: How are you doing that?

1182
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: On Christmas Day? We flew. It was crazy.

1183
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: That's the best Christmas.

1184
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: But now I put note, I'm like, you write it

1185
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: when you're ready. I am not going to be like

1186
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: nabbed as that.

1187
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah you're not not by that teacher. You're reminding me that.

1188
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: I my niece and nephew. My nephew is like he's

1189
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: ten years old now. He was like two years old

1190
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: when this happened, barely, yeah, maybe two years old. We

1191
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: were in the pool at Christmas time. We'd taken the

1192
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: family away and we were in a pool and he

1193
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: was in one of those donuts and he needed those,

1194
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: and he had his armbands on everything because obviously, yeah,

1195
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: he can't swim, he's tiny. And so it was me,

1196
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: him and his dad hanging out in the pool and

1197
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: hitches happened. So I was I was playing this game

1198
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 3: with him, which he loved, so he won't say this.

1199
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: I was playing this game with him where I was

1200
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: pretending to be a little shark coming at him and

1201
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: and I would come out and I'd surprise him and

1202
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: he'd laugh and whatever, and so I'd kept I keep

1203
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: doing that. One time I do it, he falls through

1204
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: the hoot like the doughnut, Like for some reason he

1205
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: got so scared that his whole body just fell through it. Yeah,

1206
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: and obviously me and got him out immediately, like he

1207
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: was fine. All he does is tell this story. He's like,

1208
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: do you remember when you need.

1209
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Like you can't possibly remember.

1210
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, you weren't even like you were there,

1211
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: but you do not have a memory for this. He's like, no,

1212
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: I remember that moment when you were trying to be

1213
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: a shark. And he's and now he's teasing me with it,

1214
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: like it's not like he's actually upset. For the first

1215
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: few years, I thought he's never going to be my

1216
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 3: friend again. I was really sad about it. But you're

1217
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: so right, Like it's so true. Kids.

1218
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: Is just when the fun games take a turn and

1219
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: you're like, oh no, no, just.

1220
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: Totally and he's ten years old, and now he uses

1221
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: it against me, and I'm like, hey, I've got loads

1222
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 3: of stories on you, Like I've got so many stories

1223
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: on you being silly when you're younger, and we've got

1224
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: video of it too, so but no, you're so right kids.

1225
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: And I guess that's what's so hard with children. It's

1226
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: like you think you're doing things right and then yeah,

1227
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, you never know. And that's why I think

1228
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: that overriding love is just so valuable, right, because you

1229
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: can't you can't predict how they're going to react to

1230
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: one of these experiences.

1231
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: I guess right.

1232
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: You also just don't know that you're always doing things right,

1233
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: and I think that's okay. I have a lot of

1234
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: confidence in being a parent, just because you know, the

1235
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: more times you do something, you're like, oh, I know

1236
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: what this looks like, Oh I know how to do

1237
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: this thing. But I've never been a parent of a

1238
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: fourteen year old and I've never been the parent of

1239
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: a eight year old girl. Like all of these things

1240
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: are just it's just a constant checking in updating. One

1241
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: thing that works for this kid doesn't work for this kid,

1242
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: and so it is chaots, but it's so fun and

1243
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: you like learn so much and the love is so

1244
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: big and we laugh a lot.

1245
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for that. My favorite.

1246
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: We have these big doors that open in the in

1247
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: the back of our house and we just will like

1248
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: open up all the doors. We have to put we

1249
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: have cats now, so we have to put the cats away,

1250
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: but we just like open all the doors up, and

1251
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: it's just like kids running in and out and soccer

1252
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: in the backyard and everybody playing and jumping on the

1253
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: trampoline or swimming, and I just I'm so appreciative of

1254
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: them and Matt and what we've built such a such

1255
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: a haven.

1256
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: How did they end up with all these cool names?

1257
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: And banks May mae gosh, how did they end up

1258
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: with their names? I know, I know, well May that

1259
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: was We thought she was a boy. She was the

1260
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: only kid that we didn't find out when we were

1261
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: having because we had her in the pandemic, and I

1262
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: think we were all looking for ways to entertain ourselves

1263
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: and surprise ourselves for sure, so we she was a

1264
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: her like gender was a surprise, and we thought for

1265
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: sure she was going to be a boy.

1266
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: She was a girl.

1267
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: And both of our moms were born in May, so

1268
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: we named her May May or May we call her

1269
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: May May. She just came to the realization that her

1270
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: nickname is longer than her real name, and she's like

1271
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: really confused by why we would do that.

1272
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.

1273
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's small, Yeah, and she introduces herself as

1274
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: May May. Yeah, but she's like, why is Banks not

1275
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: like banks Banks? And like, what is going on here?

1276
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: They're very funny.

1277
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

1278
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we wanted like traditional names, but we

1279
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: also didn't want like names that you know, they didn't

1280
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with as adults, so we hope we nailed it.

1281
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: But they also have more normal middle names.

1282
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: Okay, right. I like the fun fun I feel like

1283
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 3: they I haven't met them before, but like they will

1284
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: sound like they have a personality based on their name.

1285
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: They all have a very big personality. I like that

1286
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: the girls' names, the two banks in towns, they kind

1287
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: of have like last name sounding names, which feels strong

1288
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: for girls, and that was kind of my goal.

1289
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: Nice. I love it, Hilary, You've been amazing to talk to. Truly,

1290
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: I've loved this conversation. I feel like I've learned so

1291
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: much about you. I feel like I feel closer to

1292
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: you just from how open you've been, how vulnerable you've been.

1293
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: We have a couple of games, as I promised you

1294
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: segments to finish off game our interviews, so I'm going

1295
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: to bring them out now. So there's a couple that

1296
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: we invented recently that we absolutely love. And so this question.

1297
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: There's two games. The first one is called would you rather?

1298
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: And it's the Disney era addition.

1299
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Usually we played with like disgusting food or

1300
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: like horrible things, but this is a lot easier.

1301
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: So would you rather have to say? Hi, I'm Hillary

1302
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: Duff and you're watching Disney Channel every time you introduce yourself,

1303
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: or have the Lizzy Maguire animated character in your head

1304
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: at all times.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she lives in there, rent free baby. I think

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Speaker 1: I think I would have her living. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: accepted her in my head. So I'm choosing the ladder.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense. That's good. All right, we can't

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Speaker 3: see it and you have to do it, so okay.

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Speaker 3: Second one, walk every red carpet now in low rise

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Speaker 3: jeans or a scarf worn as a top.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: No, So my option is low rise jeans on the

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Speaker 1: red carpet or a scarf as a top, are dress

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Speaker 1: skirt as the top? Oh my gosh, that is so impossible.

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Speaker 1: This is forever, This is for eternity.

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Speaker 3: This is yeah. Yeah, would you rather let's let's say

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Speaker 3: for the next twelve months, let's say for the next

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Speaker 3: time it works for me?

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Speaker 2: I'm going low rice jeans.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there we go, all right? I was being kind

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Speaker 3: as being kind? Would you rather have come clean play

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Speaker 3: every time it starts raining? Or have wake up as

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Speaker 3: your alarm clock every morning?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, well, I feel like every time it's

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Speaker 1: raining and I open Instagram, come clean as playing in

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Speaker 1: your head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the way that I'm going to skirt around this

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Speaker 1: is that we live in Lana. It doesn't rain very often,

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Speaker 1: So I'm choosing that one answer.

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Speaker 3: These are great responses. I love that. Okay, very good.

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Speaker 3: There's so many more. I have to send you some

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Speaker 3: of these because I need to get through some of

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01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: these questions. But this is the last one of the

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Speaker 3: would you rather disney Er edition? Okay, would you rather

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: bring back ultra thin eyebrows or foundation over the lips?

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Speaker 2: You definitely didn't come up with that one.

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 1: Whoa, I think, ooh, that's so tough. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go with ultra thin eyebrows might be a vibe,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I hope like the twelve month rule

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Speaker 1: can be applied to I'm going to go thin eyebrow.

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Speaker 1: I never want foundation on my lips again. That was

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: like a must before I went out. I would just

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01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: like blot out my lips. Now we're like all craoning

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01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: to make our lips bigger.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating, isn't it. Hence twelve months makes sense because you

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: never know word could come back.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this game is called gut reaction, so you have

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01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: to just finish the sentence.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: One thing my kids make fun of me for.

1354
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: Is getting gotten by AI.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean?

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: Oh you literally be like this is real?

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like look at this. My son's like

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01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 1: cats don't jump on trembling, So that's you're insane. I'm like, right,

1359
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: got it, got it?

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: Got it is getting scary. I know it is getting scary.

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01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: Is you to like giggle about it right now?

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01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: And some of the things that we see are like funny,

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01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: but no, it's I don't like it at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary, all right. The most cringe moment of

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01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: me on the internet I wish could be erased is.

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01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, the most cringe moment of me on the internet. Honestly,

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: I probably felt like it was the with Love dance

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: for a long time.

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Speaker 2: But now you owned it. We're back, baby back.

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Speaker 3: I love that. It's been all over my TikTok feed,

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01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: like I've not seen anything else. I've been showing it

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01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: to everyone. I'm like, yeah, it's all I've been. It's

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: all I've been seeing and sharing the first I'm not joking.

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm not joking. First artist you'd want next to you

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Speaker 3: on a long tour bus ride.

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Speaker 2: Probably Taylor Swift because I met those buses are nice.

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Speaker 3: Oh you want to go on her bus? Yeah, this

1378
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: was on your tour bus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well she would probably give me all the tips

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Speaker 1: for tour because she hasn't stopped.

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01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, there's those. I mean, tours are hard work.

1382
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: I've never done anything nearly as long as any musician

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01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: on the planet. I did like forty shows two years ago,

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Speaker 3: and this is insane.

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: I know, really hard, unbelievable.

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: I was just gone for twelve days and I almost

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: like cried when I just like like saw my pillows

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: on my bed and I was like, Oh, it's going

1389
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: to be a good night.

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Speaker 2: I get my pillows back.

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Speaker 3: Hillary. We end every episode of On Purpose with a

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Speaker 3: final five. These questions have to be answered in one

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01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 3: sentence maximum. So Hillary duff Tezi your final five. The

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 3: First question is what is the best advice you've ever

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: heard or received?

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 2: Do you? Because everyone else is taken great advice?

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01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard

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01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: or received?

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: Never grow up?

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Speaker 3: Third question? Your favorite thing about Matt that you don't

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01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: say to him enough?

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: He's really handsome.

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: There you go, Matt, Yeah, you can play this as

1404
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: many times as you want.

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01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: I know he's really I mean, I just I love

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: looking at him, and I think that he's such a

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01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: funny guy that it's easy to just be like, yeah,

1408
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: he's so funny, he's like the best. It's easy to

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: he keeps us laughing, like he's just like really a

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: fun funny like goof.

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Speaker 2: But he's so handsome.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Fourth question, will we ever get a

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01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: Lizzie Maguire reboot?

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Speaker 1: I can't answer this in one sentence, but I can

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: say that right now, it's not in the cards. I

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01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: have a world tour to go on, and that's going

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: to take me yours, I think. But when I think

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: about Lizzie, you know, I was really excited thinking about

1419
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: her at thirty and going through thirty year old things,

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: and now I can't really see her at forty. Maybe

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: I could start to see her around the fifty five sixty.

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting.

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: That is interesting. We'd love to say that I love it.

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Speaker 3: A very very good answer. Fifth and final question. We

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: asked this to every guest who's ever been on the show.

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 3: If you could create one law that everyone in the

1427
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 3: world had to follow, what would it be.

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, like love, like loving each other,

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: but you don't have to love everyone you come into

1430
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: conduct with, and you don't have to like trust everyone,

1431
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: And you also don't have to accept like that's the

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: other thing, like accept accept everyone. But I think that

1433
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: there needs to be some guidelines, do you know what

1434
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean? Like the basic things. Yes, I wish there

1435
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: was just acceptance of like everybody being like created equal

1436
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: and accepted for skin tone or gender or whatever, but

1437
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: there has to be some rules in place for like

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: bad people.

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So I guess like using common sense with acceptance.

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Speaker 3: Hilary Duff, thank you so much, So excited for everyone

1441
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: to hear your album, so excited. I hope I get

1442
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 3: to come see you on tour. I'm really excited to

1443
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: see you.

1444
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: Perform, and I will keep you updated.

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01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: I would love that. This is such a joy, such

1446
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 3: a treat. Thank you for being so open our eyes.

1447
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 3: So I hope you got to share everything you wanted

1448
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 3: to share. I hope you feel seen and heard and

1449
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,879
Speaker 3: so grateful that you trusted me and trusted our platform

1450
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: to come and be so open. So thank you so.

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01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: Much, thank you, thank you. Yeah no, I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 4: with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how

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01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 4: to speak to yourself with more compassion.

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Speaker 2: There's blessing in the breaking and every moment meant that

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Speaker 2: you encounter in your life, even if it's just road rage.