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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April twenty ninth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: Season sixteen April up. Sorry, Season sixteen, episode number seven.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Break. We are live
Speaker 1: from our homes, not the s WBC Morgan studios. Hopefully
Speaker 1: at some point in the near future we will be back,
Speaker 1: but we're all our homes. We are ready to talk
Speaker 1: with you guys about some Cowboys football. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into the NFL Draft. It was an interesting weekend for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Here what these guys have to say about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and how they did this weekend in the draft.
Speaker 1: We're gonna dive deep into a lot of the different
Speaker 1: positions that were affected, particularly the cornerback position, where there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of change here over the last several days.
Speaker 1: And excited to be joined by my normal crew David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia, Nick Eatman, how are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1: And Hey, Derek, I'm great, awesome, good, good, Glad you
Speaker 1: guys survived draft weekend. It was a busy weekend. We
Speaker 1: had a lot going on. And I'll open the show
Speaker 1: by asking each of you guys to give me just
Speaker 1: I guess answered this one question, filling this blank for me,
Speaker 1: The Cowboys draft was a blank. I'm gonna start with you,
Speaker 1: miss Garcia. Spectacular nice. No, I thought it was so great. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I had my doubts, sue how the whole process was
Speaker 1: gonna be, like, you know, I really thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a mess. But no, and after they drafted
Speaker 1: that first round or I know, we're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1: But the more we got through it, the better it got,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You know, Like they did not
Speaker 1: disappoint me one bit, Nick, I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: there's quality. I would say they got quality in there
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. You know, right now, everybody thinks
Speaker 1: they had a great draft. But but you know, if
Speaker 1: they did their board correctly, then they did have a
Speaker 1: great draft. I mean, obviously they have a confidence in
Speaker 1: the scouts, but um, I thought, like she said, I
Speaker 1: thought when she drafted Ceedee Lamb, it was hard to
Speaker 1: mess it up after that. Really, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you could have messed it up, and they didn't. They
Speaker 1: kept getting value picked, so they were true to their board.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really good. Hellman, it was exciting.
Speaker 1: It was so exciting. Um, I don't like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to give out draft grades. I hesitate to like
Speaker 1: say it's amazing draft class. Right now, I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of ironic the twenty sixteen class that was so
Speaker 1: amazing people were kind of on the fence about it
Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, it's easy to forget that
Speaker 1: a lot of people hated the Jaalen Smith pick. So
Speaker 1: it makes me feel weird that everybody is convinced how
Speaker 1: good this draft class is. Because I'm just a pessimist
Speaker 1: by nature, but without having seen anybody actually play football,
Speaker 1: it's a very exciting draft class. I feel really good
Speaker 1: about what they were able to accomplish. All Right, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna dive in. We're gonna go pick by pick.
Speaker 1: I have some questions for you guys regarding each of
Speaker 1: these players. Let's start with the first pick, Seedee Lamb.
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft him as the first round number seventeen overall.
Speaker 1: I said before the draft, I really was hoping if
Speaker 1: one of the top two wide receivers, and I didn't
Speaker 1: even put the top guy that was drafted at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position, Henry Ruggs. I didn't even list him
Speaker 1: in that group. But if I said, if Judy or
Speaker 1: if Lamb fell to the Cowboys, I would love for
Speaker 1: him to take him by it happened Seedee Lamb drops
Speaker 1: to them at number seventeen. So my question for you
Speaker 1: guys is, how did a guys so highly ranked according
Speaker 1: to most people's draft boards get to the Cowboys at seventeen?
Speaker 1: Great freaking question. Honestly, I don't know. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Because I do. I think he is the most well
Speaker 1: rounded wide receiver in this class. I'm not just saying
Speaker 1: that because the Cowboys picked him. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about it before we came on the air. Like Rugs
Speaker 1: was the speed guy, Judy was the route guy. Lamb
Speaker 1: has all of that, and he's dynamic with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands to boot. If you're looking for an
Speaker 1: actual answer, I think it's probably the amount of really
Speaker 1: good tackles in this class on top of quarterbacks. Obviously
Speaker 1: you had three quarterbacks go in the top ten, and
Speaker 1: then I'm counting it right now. I think there were, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were four offensive tackles that were drafted before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys picked. A lot of need at the position and
Speaker 1: a lot of quality there. I think that helped push
Speaker 1: receivers down the board. That would be my scientific answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if teams just have their you know,
Speaker 1: their opinions. I think Dave said it best. I mean,
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles in the quarterbacks are premium positions as well.
Speaker 1: You know, there may not have been a strong need
Speaker 1: for other teams at receivers. It just it just was
Speaker 1: a deep draft all the way around. So I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, as Jerry said a couple of days before
Speaker 1: the draft, you know, I really liked the spot we're
Speaker 1: in because they knew they were going to get a
Speaker 1: good player. And I believe when they were able to
Speaker 1: pick at seventeen, that was five or six players with
Speaker 1: first round grade still on their board, so they were
Speaker 1: sitting good there. But they just couldn't pass up Lamb,
Speaker 1: who was rated, you know, higher than most on their board.
Speaker 1: You know, what was interesting to me, and this draft
Speaker 1: is completely different for me because I'm following a completely
Speaker 1: different way than I've done in the past, because I'm
Speaker 1: somehow more invested into this time that I understand it
Speaker 1: all better. But this time that I paid more attention
Speaker 1: to all the positions and me more about the players.
Speaker 1: I felt like there weren't many like flashy positions that
Speaker 1: were being draft before the Cowboys. You know, like usually
Speaker 1: you see those flash flashy position like quarterback, wide receiver, um,
Speaker 1: then you know tackle. Do They usually draft a lot
Speaker 1: of linemen, I mean on the top of each draft,
Speaker 1: if they're available, they do, but it's rare to see
Speaker 1: so many with that high of a grade. To have
Speaker 1: to have four that are worth picking in the top
Speaker 1: fifteen is usually pretty rare. Well, that that was the
Speaker 1: thing like to me when I was keeping up with it,
Speaker 1: I was just like, jeez, I'm writing so many teas
Speaker 1: on my piece of paper, you know, defensive tackles and
Speaker 1: then tackles. So to me, that was kind of just surprising.
Speaker 1: I definitely did not expected to go down that way,
Speaker 1: and clearly neither did the Cowboys because you can tell
Speaker 1: after that during that press common friends how surprised everyone
Speaker 1: was as to this guy following to their hands at
Speaker 1: that point at the number seventeen, there was a ton
Speaker 1: of conversation among the Cowboys brass before the pick was
Speaker 1: made between Calevan Chason, who was a defensive end from LSU,
Speaker 1: and then obviously Jerry I'm sorry, Ceedee Lamb at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Do you think they made the right decision going with
Speaker 1: the wide receiver over the defensive end? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're getting two. You're getting two players for one here.
Speaker 1: Because you're just watching, We're okay, we're starting to see
Speaker 1: the same place here. But I mean the punt returns
Speaker 1: and the receiver you got. You got punt returner. You
Speaker 1: got a receiver two needs for this team, and I
Speaker 1: think he steps right in and plays. I think I
Speaker 1: think the third receiver plays more than the third defensive
Speaker 1: end or fourth or fifth. I mean, who knows if
Speaker 1: he's where he's going to rank in there. I think
Speaker 1: this was a better pick for him. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb is ready to go. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put too much too much expectation on a rookie, but
Speaker 1: you're not drafting, Yeah, you're not drafting this guy to
Speaker 1: sit and he's gonna step right in and play. He
Speaker 1: was the sixth player on the Cowboys board. He's a
Speaker 1: consensus top ten player in terms of overall talent. I
Speaker 1: think the world of Calevan Chason, but there's no denying
Speaker 1: the boomer Bus potential. He's a tweener, he's got great athleticism.
Speaker 1: He needs to work on his strength and size. There's
Speaker 1: absolutely no guarantee that he's going to translate to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Any player can bust, but I will be shocked if
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb busts and it's just, you know, best player available.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was even close. And if you
Speaker 1: go back and listen to our draft show broadcast, I
Speaker 1: was stressed that they were going to go with need
Speaker 1: over best player available. I was very relieved and excited
Speaker 1: when they didn't. Obviously, a third wide receiver in today's
Speaker 1: NFL is by no means a just a luxury. It
Speaker 1: is a guy that is essentially a starter because of
Speaker 1: how much teams are playing eleven personnel. But that all
Speaker 1: being said with a guy like Ceedee Lamb, who's as
Speaker 1: highly touted as he is, the expectation that he's probably
Speaker 1: going to be a starter. I would guess you guys
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. How do you think this
Speaker 1: affects Michael Gallop in the amount of playing time that
Speaker 1: he gets and continues in this development, because we've seen
Speaker 1: some really good things from him as well over his
Speaker 1: first couple of years in the league. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's starting over Gallup. I think he's the third receiver.
Speaker 1: I think he's a punt returner. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think they'll they'll figure it out, but they're not going
Speaker 1: to come out and just say who's the starter. That
Speaker 1: they might just put three receivers out there, But I
Speaker 1: will say it's it's you should point out that ride receiver.
Speaker 1: I mean, offense was a bigger need than people think.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's easy to say, well, they
Speaker 1: were the number one ranked offense, but when the game
Speaker 1: it's really mattered. The offense sucked at times and they
Speaker 1: didn't score a touchdown and fill it, they didn't score
Speaker 1: a touchdown in New England, they didn't score a touchdown
Speaker 1: against Buffalo until the very end and garbage time. So
Speaker 1: against the good defenses, they didn't play well at all.
Speaker 1: And so I think that there was a big need
Speaker 1: for offense more than the stats would suggest. You know,
Speaker 1: if I had one of those ding buttons that they
Speaker 1: use on that show around the horn, I would give
Speaker 1: you a lot of dings right there, because that was
Speaker 1: a great point. It's serious, is a great point. I
Speaker 1: was having that conversation with someone after the draft and
Speaker 1: they were asking me what I thought of the pick,
Speaker 1: and I was like, as much as people think this
Speaker 1: offense is solidified, the fact is you look at a
Speaker 1: third wide receiver in the NFL, and you look at
Speaker 1: third wide receiver for the Cowboys. They needed a third
Speaker 1: wide receiver number one. They also needed a playmaker, because
Speaker 1: you're right, there were games this year where their best playmaker,
Speaker 1: at least as the receivers are concerned, where he didn't
Speaker 1: quite show up and give you what you needed. They
Speaker 1: need another yet, and they needed another receiver, and to
Speaker 1: get one of this caliber, I think it was a
Speaker 1: definitely a need pick. This was the rare occasion where
Speaker 1: need um and uh and and quality of the pit
Speaker 1: both coincide. Right, Yeah, that's well, you're gonna see see
Speaker 1: the lamb starting every away game instead of that's who
Speaker 1: they're gonna plug in there. When a Marty Cooper goes
Speaker 1: on the road. I was I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: would guess like ninety five percent of people are on
Speaker 1: board with this pick. But for the people that were
Speaker 1: absolutely convinced that they needed to draft a defender, Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm with y'all. I'm shocked at the number of people
Speaker 1: who didn't see receiver as a huge need, Like they
Speaker 1: didn't have one period, like Cedric Wilson was your starting slot, which,
Speaker 1: like no disrespect to him, he's caught five passes in
Speaker 1: his career. Um, I thought I was a huge need
Speaker 1: and what a what an absurd value. I don't think it.
Speaker 1: I don't really think it affects Michael Gallop. I would
Speaker 1: assume Gallop is still gonna be your starting Z receiver.
Speaker 1: I pulled this up just for you, Derek. They ran
Speaker 1: they ran sixty one percent of their plays with eleven personnel,
Speaker 1: and that was with Jason Garrett, who is obsessed with
Speaker 1: thirteen personnels. So I would imagine it's gonna go he does. So,
Speaker 1: I think you can see the Cowboys running eleven personnel
Speaker 1: anywhere between sixty and I don't know, sixty five sixty
Speaker 1: six percent of their snaps. There's plenty of snaps to
Speaker 1: go around for all three of the big receivers. You
Speaker 1: know what I really like about these highlights we're seeing
Speaker 1: with with Lamb is is he just after the catch.
Speaker 1: He's so good. Um, it reminds me a little bit
Speaker 1: of Terrell Owens and that, you know, just catching the ball,
Speaker 1: get him an open field breaking tackles. This is probably
Speaker 1: the best winner against Kansas State here where you know
Speaker 1: he's just gonna make sure they scores a touchdown and
Speaker 1: he's not gonna stop. I mean that that is a
Speaker 1: good sign of a great punt returner as well, just
Speaker 1: seeing the field and making people miss I think I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a dynamic player because you don't
Speaker 1: see that a lot with gallup and breaking a lot
Speaker 1: of tackles in the open field like that. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would. I told someone that if they wanted to
Speaker 1: get an idea of how good Ceedee Lamb is. Not
Speaker 1: to say Texas had a good secondary, but go watch
Speaker 1: that Texas LA I mean that Texas Oklahoma game last
Speaker 1: year and there were times when Texas had two guys
Speaker 1: on him and he just would split them. There was
Speaker 1: one play I remember there was a touchdown. He caught
Speaker 1: the ball. There's no reason why he should not have
Speaker 1: been tackled. He was surrounded by defenders and somehow he
Speaker 1: made his way out of that and was sprinting towards
Speaker 1: the end zone. And again, it's not to say the
Speaker 1: Texas is great, but certainly that's an indication of what
Speaker 1: he's been doing to a lot of teams in college
Speaker 1: football over the last couple of years. This was not
Speaker 1: just against Texas. He's done that to a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's even you know, there's some
Speaker 1: critics that say he did most of it against big
Speaker 1: twelve defenses, which don't have a great rep. He's done
Speaker 1: it against everybody they've played. He was the only he
Speaker 1: was the only member of Oklahoma's team that had a
Speaker 1: good day against LSU. I think he had one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty yards. He's done it against basically everyone. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not worried about consistency with him, but he
Speaker 1: just had the most ridiculous catch I think in that
Speaker 1: LSU game. I don't it's not in this highlight package,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the better plays I think. You
Speaker 1: know that I've seen all of last year, just going
Speaker 1: up and getting the football concentration and everything you can
Speaker 1: do it all. Talk about the wide receiver position. Beyond
Speaker 1: those top three guys, you think the Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: do more? Are you satisfied with the amount of depth
Speaker 1: they have there? You know, at this point, after you
Speaker 1: get to those three, you're looking at, you know, special
Speaker 1: teams guys maybe in some development. I think they're in
Speaker 1: good shape because they do have some younger guys that
Speaker 1: that they like, that they you know, have held onto
Speaker 1: they want to develop. For some reason. I can't think
Speaker 1: of their names right now, so I can't Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: That's the only one I can think of. John By Johnson.
Speaker 1: John By Johnson's still around. Who am I missing here?
Speaker 1: Noah Brown is still hanging around? Why? That's my question? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: And again, this is not a personal attack. No, listen,
Speaker 1: this is not a personal attack on Noah Brown. This
Speaker 1: is more of a situation where I personally believe Noah
Speaker 1: Brown was a Garrett pit Cat. I would be shocked
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a good camp. I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if he sticks around beyond training camp for this team. No.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I completely agree with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was drafted by He was drafted by the last staff.
Speaker 1: To answer your question, I've always said he's got a
Speaker 1: body type that they don't have a lot of on
Speaker 1: this receiver corps. He's a big bodied guy, which helps
Speaker 1: in blocking and also the type of you know, the
Speaker 1: type of receiver you can play. He's I hate to
Speaker 1: compare him to Dez, but he's, you know, that guy
Speaker 1: that can go box out of dB like DESI used
Speaker 1: to do. But yeah, I think, you know, if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: which honestly, I haven't talked to know h since like
Speaker 1: last December, but if he's healthy, yeah, he needs to
Speaker 1: have a good camp. Devin Smith is another one. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's still had. In my opinion, he's the best of
Speaker 1: those guys that are left. I think, yeah, I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean Devin Smith is the best combination of talent
Speaker 1: and actual NFL production. I mean, injuries have really hampered
Speaker 1: his career, but he has had good games in the NFL,
Speaker 1: including last season. I can't knock their draft class because
Speaker 1: they got such absurd value at all their picks, but
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping they would double up at receiver.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of guys hanging around there on
Speaker 1: Day three, James of SMU and kJ Hill out of
Speaker 1: Ohio State. They were there late, late in the draft.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that they would take one
Speaker 1: of them. But well, they got you a couple of
Speaker 1: non drafted guys. Yeah, which, you know, we'll see what
Speaker 1: they can do. I can't think of their names right now.
Speaker 1: I know they got a guy out of like Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: I think Parker. So see, you got Ken Drake's Ken
Speaker 1: Drake Rogers from Texas A and M. And they Aaron
Speaker 1: Parker from I can't even talk, Stephen gird Guidry Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: probably Gidre something like that. But they got three guys.
Speaker 1: I don't love the depth behind the top three, but
Speaker 1: I liked the top three enough that I'm not super
Speaker 1: worried about it. Hopefully they all stay healthy. Dave, who's
Speaker 1: Tevin Jones? Who Tevin Jones? He's on the roster? Oh
Speaker 1: my dude, I don't get damn. I'm supposed to cover
Speaker 1: this team. Six six two hey, six two two twenty
Speaker 1: five from Memphis? Is he an undrafted guy? No? He
Speaker 1: was a I think he was a guy they signed
Speaker 1: after the season he was a futures Yeah, that one
Speaker 1: that went completely under my radar. Hey, I mean Devin
Speaker 1: Smith was a futures contract last year. So every now
Speaker 1: and then, those guys they signed in January will know
Speaker 1: you something when they finally get to training camp. I
Speaker 1: would not have been able to tell you that he
Speaker 1: was on the team. So thank you for educating me. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you said they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that look like Noah Brown. They have the
Speaker 1: exact same measurables at six two two twenty five, So
Speaker 1: get on, let's go. Yeah, and then you got you
Speaker 1: got vient Tel Bryant. Not sure what his future will be,
Speaker 1: but he was one of their better special teams players
Speaker 1: last year. So yeah, I think we'll find out a
Speaker 1: lot about this what this new coaching staff values at
Speaker 1: a lot of these positions. Because the position that we'll
Speaker 1: talk about next, and actually we're going to take a
Speaker 1: break before we get into it, but the position we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about next, cornerback. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: change over the last week and a half with regards
Speaker 1: to this position, and uh, and I'm and I think
Speaker 1: it's becoming very apparent to everyone that this coaching staff
Speaker 1: value is a specific characteristic or specific set of characteristics
Speaker 1: that maybe they didn't have on this team before. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what that means for the guys
Speaker 1: who were here from last year as well as the
Speaker 1: guys broad and we'll do all that when we come
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Speaker 1: got my normal crew here, Dave helm and Amber Garcia,
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman. We're talking Cowboys football, talking about the draft.
Speaker 1: In the first segment, we talked about the wide receiver
Speaker 1: position and the drafting of Ceedee Lamb. Excuse me, now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about back position. Cowboys
Speaker 1: make their second round pick at pick fifty one, Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs and then Also, in the fourth round, they draft
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson at pick number one, twenty three. My question
Speaker 1: for you guys is what are the knocks on these
Speaker 1: two players that made them available at fifty one and
Speaker 1: at one twenty three. Dave, we'll start with you. I
Speaker 1: think inconsistency probably, I mean Trayvon Diggs, like we always
Speaker 1: joke about, like the getting off the bus guy. Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs is a getting off the bus guy. He's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's six one, two oh five whatever his
Speaker 1: way to like. He is a physically impressive dude. His
Speaker 1: technique doesn't always reflect that, you know. You know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna need to work on his mechanics and his fluidity
Speaker 1: and his ball tracking skills, but he's got the the
Speaker 1: athleticism and the build to do it. I think that's
Speaker 1: why they were so enamored with him, Like they talk
Speaker 1: about him and Reggie Robinson both actually their ability to
Speaker 1: play press man track the ball despite having your back
Speaker 1: to the quarterback for the entire rep which is something
Speaker 1: we've seen Cowboys defensive backs have a problem with. Um.
Speaker 1: I would say like inconsistencies in their technique or probably
Speaker 1: why they fell. Although I would I would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: Diggs probably went right where he was supposed to at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, so I think it all
Speaker 1: worked out for the best. But I think they're really
Speaker 1: impressed with their ability to play man coverage Nick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they had a high second round grade on him,
Speaker 1: and you know he goes eighteenth in the second round,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean I thought it was somewhat of
Speaker 1: a steel but you know, he's he's probably has issues,
Speaker 1: you know, going up against some really great wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some good ones in the SEC.
Speaker 1: We're seeing some highlights here against the Duke, but when
Speaker 1: he goes up against the SEC, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys in the league there, so um, you know,
Speaker 1: I bet you coverage is it inconsistency, But that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the case, you know, with with a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys. But I think he's got really good size
Speaker 1: and you're seeing some tackling ability at him, not afraid
Speaker 1: to mix it up, which is good. Ever, honestly, don't
Speaker 1: ask me how these guy fell into anywhere in the draft,
Speaker 1: because this was all like a surprise to me. It
Speaker 1: was surprising to see in a way, to see that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did go for him on the second round
Speaker 1: because after seeing the first round pick, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, they are gonna go ahead and get a
Speaker 1: little too cute in the second round and not really
Speaker 1: draft for what he's needed. So this guy, I think
Speaker 1: he did end up in the spot that he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be, and I like that he has the
Speaker 1: ability to get the ball. You know, he has good hands,
Speaker 1: and that is one of the top qualities that I
Speaker 1: was looking at for some of these guys when it
Speaker 1: comes to the secondary guys that have good hands and
Speaker 1: can catch the ball and interceptible. So this guy had
Speaker 1: I believe three interceptions last year, and at least that's
Speaker 1: something I'm looking forward to seeing this year. I don't
Speaker 1: know much about position FLEs as far as like, is
Speaker 1: this one of the guys we'll be talking about later
Speaker 1: on about maybe switching to safety. I don't know how
Speaker 1: he would do there, but I think it was a
Speaker 1: good pick for the Cowboys. Do you think Dix comes
Speaker 1: in and immediately becomes the starter at cornerback or one
Speaker 1: of the two starters at cornerback? I think not. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, just because of the nature of the position.
Speaker 1: I mean we just went through this three years ago.
Speaker 1: Cheeto was pick sixty, so it's a comparable pick to
Speaker 1: number fifty one. It's a similar level of talent. Maybe
Speaker 1: Diggs has a little bit of a better draft grade,
Speaker 1: but it's close. And I mean, cheto dealt with injury problems,
Speaker 1: but he didn't step right in and take that job away.
Speaker 1: You've got three guys that have played a lot of
Speaker 1: NFL football ahead of him. I leaned toward thinking he
Speaker 1: will be like a utility guy, which I'm honestly really
Speaker 1: excited about. You know, the word on the street is
Speaker 1: that Digs is gonna wear thirty one, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to compare their games, but like he's got you know,
Speaker 1: there's some comparables there with Byron in the sense that
Speaker 1: this guy has thirty three inch arms, which go watch
Speaker 1: the tape. It's fun to see the way that he
Speaker 1: uses his length to bail him out. So if you
Speaker 1: want this guy to help you cover tight ends and
Speaker 1: maybe just kind of be an all around utility defensive
Speaker 1: back until he can claim the starting job, I'm not
Speaker 1: mad about that at all. It's interesting the Cowboys, Nick,
Speaker 1: did you have something on that. No, I'm just watching
Speaker 1: it's just probably a gonna be a penalty right here
Speaker 1: against Arkansas. That's probably a face mask. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, no, no, I thought, I think the Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: this is not good right here, the Byron Jones. At
Speaker 1: least it wasn't John Stephen that threw that interception there,
Speaker 1: um Buyer jokes. Comparison is very good. I like that,
Speaker 1: and I like the fact that he's got some punt
Speaker 1: return ability as well. So maybe it doesn't go to
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb, but I think I think Lamb with the
Speaker 1: ball is a little bit better than this guy. But
Speaker 1: you know, that's a couple of times in a row
Speaker 1: we've seen. You know, he just goes straight up the
Speaker 1: field scoring touchdowns. Anytime you're drafting a defensive back that's
Speaker 1: got some touchdowns on his highlight reels, pretty good. Look
Speaker 1: how those legs like, Look how fast he is. That's
Speaker 1: another thing that I like from him. He can move.
Speaker 1: He has so much mobility, and he can just react
Speaker 1: quick and go for it. You know, you don't see
Speaker 1: him hesitating too much, and he's fast, you know, Derek
Speaker 1: got oh sorry, go ahead, Well, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: point out I'm probably switching gears, though, I point out
Speaker 1: that you know, they got those two guys and then
Speaker 1: they just have agreed to terms with a veteran right
Speaker 1: now in Daryl Worlie. So they're adding a lot of
Speaker 1: cornerback depth in the last three or four days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it seems like there's a there's a consistent thing
Speaker 1: there too. They're they're they're big, they're they're long, um
Speaker 1: and and particularly with Diggs and with Reggie Robinson, the
Speaker 1: scouting report on them says that they're guys that play again,
Speaker 1: play well in man coverage press man coverage. Uh. And
Speaker 1: are they attack the ball? You look at Diggs, Digs
Speaker 1: a former wide receiver and uh, and they say he
Speaker 1: plays like a wide receiver type mentality when the balls
Speaker 1: in the air. So it looks like they are looking
Speaker 1: for a specific type of cornerback UH. And so my
Speaker 1: question for you guys is what does that mean for
Speaker 1: those guys like uh, like Cheeto Woozier who's been here
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown who's been here, and uh and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe even Jordan Lewis who's been here, who may not
Speaker 1: be that exact same type of cornerback as some of
Speaker 1: these guys they're bringing in. It's hard not to notice
Speaker 1: that all three of these guys, the two draft picks
Speaker 1: and then Worley have an awfully similar makeup to Al
Speaker 1: Harris was, you know, the new Dbats coach, was a
Speaker 1: great man corner during his NFL career, so it's not surprising.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's hard not to think that
Speaker 1: maybe some writings on the wall, not necessarily for twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: but when you're starting to think about contract extensions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's it's hard not to wonder where
Speaker 1: the future lies for Jordan and Cheeto for sure. But
Speaker 1: those guys are up this year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think you could see that throughout the draft.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys were drafting players that will be you know,
Speaker 1: position needs next year with some free agency. But I
Speaker 1: guarantee you every coach in the world, no matter what
Speaker 1: kind of prototype that they prefer, they're going to take
Speaker 1: the playmaker. And Jordan Lewis has proven that he can
Speaker 1: make plays. Now Cheeto needs to prove that, you know,
Speaker 1: more than he has done. But but Jordan, I think
Speaker 1: is the best playmaker they've got in the secondary. So
Speaker 1: while he may not be you know, it's tall and
Speaker 1: long and have the length. He does make up for
Speaker 1: it with making plays, and I think every coach will
Speaker 1: appreciate that, So that will probably help him get on
Speaker 1: the field for sure. McCarthy mentioned in his press conference
Speaker 1: that some of the cornerbacks have some position flex and
Speaker 1: could play safety. Cowboys did not select a safety in
Speaker 1: the draft. Is there a need do you think at
Speaker 1: this point to maybe move one of those cornerbacks to safety?
Speaker 1: And also, who do you think would be the best
Speaker 1: candidate to do that based upon the guys that they
Speaker 1: have on the team and the guys that they drafted.
Speaker 1: I don't Cheeto. Maybe, I mean maybe Cheeto, but this
Speaker 1: is a really big year for him going into free agency.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I mean, he wouldn't have his
Speaker 1: hand up to say, yeah, let let me move positions,
Speaker 1: but that it may not be his choice, but I
Speaker 1: think he's the guy that has has the most experience
Speaker 1: doing it. I don't know about worldly. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's done it. I don't know much about him
Speaker 1: right now. I'm actually I'm look I mean, Chee, Cheeto
Speaker 1: did it some in college. I'm looking to see if
Speaker 1: I can find how many games he played at safety.
Speaker 1: I don't have it on but I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he did it. That was part of his
Speaker 1: scouting reporter. So he's the name that comes to mind
Speaker 1: one again because they're bringing in all these cornerbacks that
Speaker 1: seem to fit what the new coaching staff wants too,
Speaker 1: because he's done it. But then Jerry Jones in the
Speaker 1: post draft press conference name dropped Reggie Robinson as a
Speaker 1: guy that they think can do it. I'd be willing
Speaker 1: to bet Diggs could do it too, but I don't
Speaker 1: know why you would want to do that with a
Speaker 1: guy you just drafted him the top fifty. Me personally,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't love it because I hate it.
Speaker 1: Like when I feel really good about my depth at
Speaker 1: a position, I hate it when people try to take
Speaker 1: my depth away, Like I want all the good cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Let me just let me have some awesome depth and
Speaker 1: not try to thin my position out. Having said that,
Speaker 1: you know, if they've agreed to terms with Daryl Worley,
Speaker 1: I think that gives you like seven decent options at cornerback.
Speaker 1: So if he's in the mix, you could convince me
Speaker 1: to move somebody to safety, and maybe it's not as
Speaker 1: bad of an idea, but just in general, I'd rather
Speaker 1: have depth than just be moving people for the sake
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, because can you name four safeties
Speaker 1: right now on the team. I mean, you got two
Speaker 1: starters in Haha and Xavier Woods. They signed Darry and
Speaker 1: Thompson to be there, you know, their third guy, and
Speaker 1: then you always have Donovan Wilson by no means, and
Speaker 1: I am I saying it's great, But they've got four
Speaker 1: three of whom have started and you know, played well,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not. It's not always forget Darry and Thompson.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. He's pretty good, Yeah he is.
Speaker 1: He's not a bad third guy at all, um, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh sorry, go ahead, Derek, no good. I
Speaker 1: just I don't want to move Reggie. I don't want
Speaker 1: to move Robinson like you just drafted him to help
Speaker 1: you replenish the cornerback depth chart. I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: as good as they hope he is, I would hope
Speaker 1: he's a cornerback of the future. Same thing with Diggs.
Speaker 1: You know, get him working at the position that you
Speaker 1: drafted him to play. So if I was going to
Speaker 1: move somebody would probably be Cheeto because one he's done
Speaker 1: it before and two you don't know what his long
Speaker 1: term future with right is. Right, you would hate You're right,
Speaker 1: you would hate to have Robinson working at both, working
Speaker 1: at safety, not having great development, and then Cheeto and
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Lewis are gone next year and they're
Speaker 1: trying to move Reddie Robinson back to corner and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: he's almost like a rookie again. So I agree with
Speaker 1: that point with Dave. You know, if this is where
Speaker 1: you think he's going to be, this is where he
Speaker 1: should probably play. Think about how better Byron Jones could
Speaker 1: have been if they weren't moving him around to safety
Speaker 1: the first couple of years. I feel like we see
Speaker 1: this a lot where before the season starts or even
Speaker 1: training camp, we feel great about a death in a
Speaker 1: certain position, and then as you started going on, you know,
Speaker 1: as you start moving being eventually starts like thinning out
Speaker 1: and you start noticing those players that you thought could
Speaker 1: play really well and then turns out that they really
Speaker 1: are not stepping up. An example, you could talk about
Speaker 1: Cheeto like I thought he was gonna have a great
Speaker 1: year last year and he didn't. He started you know,
Speaker 1: going backwards a little bit. So I am hesitant when
Speaker 1: they start mentioning those possibilities of moving some of these
Speaker 1: guys to safety if they wanted to. But I am
Speaker 1: giving up. I do not care about the safety position
Speaker 1: anymore because I realized. I realized that if they don't
Speaker 1: care about it, why should I care about it so much?
Speaker 1: Why am I stressing out about this position when they
Speaker 1: are not? So next year, I am yere age next
Speaker 1: year they're gonna do it. I promise maybe next year
Speaker 1: I'll start carrying again. Next year? Is that what Jamal
Speaker 1: Adam is going to be a free agent? No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm I agree with like I'm I'm writing off that
Speaker 1: position until they've proved me wrong. That's like all through
Speaker 1: the draft process, people talking about Grant to elput In,
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney, and I'm like, why are you doing this
Speaker 1: to yourself? You know they're not I did it. I
Speaker 1: did that to myself. You can't. You gotta learn. You
Speaker 1: gotta learn from what they tell you, which is every
Speaker 1: year they're just like, ah, we don't care and neck.
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's that's a little unfair this year
Speaker 1: because I don't think it was a situation where they
Speaker 1: just didn't want safety. I think they followed their board, which,
Speaker 1: if you know, we all agree that. Okay, I'm not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I honestly I think it worked out fine. And honestly, again,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel good, or at least fine about
Speaker 1: what the duo of Haha and Uh and Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: can do. And you know, you gotta give them some credit.
Speaker 1: I mean, five million dollars on a veteran safety is
Speaker 1: way more than they've done in recent memory. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix is, he's he's not he's not Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: but he's been to a Pro Bowl in his career.
Speaker 1: This is a better safety signing than we're used to.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, they probably think they
Speaker 1: can just add another guy like him next year, whether
Speaker 1: it's resigning him or Xavier Woods or another veteran. I
Speaker 1: just think it's kind of like nose tackle. They just
Speaker 1: think that they can keep churning that without spending major resources,
Speaker 1: which I disagree with. But they've done a better job
Speaker 1: of it this year than in past years. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: they necessarily need to move a cornerback. Like you said,
Speaker 1: they have four safeties on the roster right now. I
Speaker 1: think everybody's kind of excited to see what Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: can do because he showed some flashes last year during
Speaker 1: the preseason, and he's your fourth guy. So really it's
Speaker 1: more a matter of is there a cornerback that you
Speaker 1: could prepare so that in the event you get into
Speaker 1: the season and you start getting some injuries at the
Speaker 1: safety position, you can flip them over. I agree with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I think Cheeto would be the natural the natural fit there,
Speaker 1: but you don't necessarily have to move him. You just
Speaker 1: have to get him ready so that he can take
Speaker 1: over in the event that you have some injuries and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do something different. All right, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go ahead and take another early break
Speaker 1: here before we jump into Can I ask something real quick? Sure? Absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: since we're talking about that, what would be y'all's thought
Speaker 1: about maybe Jordan Lewis being put in that position to
Speaker 1: where now you're trying to keep your best players on
Speaker 1: the field, and Jordan Lewis is definitely a playmaker playmaker,
Speaker 1: So if you have some of these guys that you
Speaker 1: rather have at the corner position. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on maybe having him at safety? You don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of safeties at that size. He's got to be
Speaker 1: able to come up and tackle. That's just you know,
Speaker 1: you wonder about the wear and tear on his body
Speaker 1: if he has to go and make some tackles in
Speaker 1: the open field and stop the run and get you know,
Speaker 1: hit by guards and you know, tackles that are pulling.
Speaker 1: So that's just not a prototype. You see a lot
Speaker 1: at the safety position. That doesn't mean he couldn't do
Speaker 1: it at times. I just but it seems like he
Speaker 1: hasn't been the prototype to begin with anyways. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a slot corner. I mean, that's that's where those
Speaker 1: guys fit. But but you're right, he makes plays. Um,
Speaker 1: he needs to be on the field and and you know,
Speaker 1: I think Mike Nolan is creative enough to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to do that. And it doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 1: he has to play safety at all all positions, but
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, we we saw against the
Speaker 1: Saints where he was shadowing Kamara. You know, he can
Speaker 1: do some different things. You have to be creative with him.
Speaker 1: But I think he's worthy enough to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's safety all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: somewhere in that nickel package for sure. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I don't ever bring it up because as far as
Speaker 1: I know, he's never done that. That's not to say
Speaker 1: that he couldn't or wouldn't. He just you know, you're
Speaker 1: just trying to fit puzzle pieces together and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that on his resume. I'm in favor of anything
Speaker 1: that gives him a chance to get on the field.
Speaker 1: I hope that this new staff doesn't write him off
Speaker 1: because he doesn't look like what they want him to
Speaker 1: look like. Um, I think that kind of happened to
Speaker 1: him when Christoph Shard came in. You know, Nick said
Speaker 1: it earlier, like he's one of the only guys in
Speaker 1: the back seven with like proven ball skills and a
Speaker 1: proven track record of making plays. So whether it's safety, nickelback, cornerback,
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I just hope he gets a
Speaker 1: fair shake when, you know, when this team finally gets
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, if I fear what that Dave is,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be h not to say, he
Speaker 1: won't necessarily get a fair shake. But just reading the
Speaker 1: tea leaves are the types of guys they're bringing in now.
Speaker 1: I think he's certainly is going to have to be better.
Speaker 1: I don't that that doesn't mean he's not going to
Speaker 1: get a fair shake. It just means he's got to
Speaker 1: be clearly better than the types of cornerbacks and that
Speaker 1: they are looking at. And he's got to be clearly
Speaker 1: better from the standpoint of how they look at him
Speaker 1: future wise as well, because they may look at it
Speaker 1: and say, hey, these other guys we think out greater potential.
Speaker 1: We want to get them more opportunities because as we
Speaker 1: want to develop them a little faster because next year
Speaker 1: we want them to be starting. So I think he's
Speaker 1: got to be This is a year when he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to play really really well, and certainly during training camp,
Speaker 1: whenever they're back on the field with the coaches, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to play really really well in order to
Speaker 1: get their attention. Because this position that was a position
Speaker 1: that was kind of thin, has now got a lot
Speaker 1: of bodies and it's gonna be hard. But these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have to differentiate themselves if they want to
Speaker 1: figure out if they want to be one of the
Speaker 1: starters or one of the guys is playing in the
Speaker 1: top three. So we'll go ahead and take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk about Neville Gallimore,
Speaker 1: third round pick from Oklahoma, defensive tackle, and maybe even
Speaker 1: get into a little bit on Tyler Battish, who is
Speaker 1: the center level was also selected in the fourth It
Speaker 1: was selected in the fourth round. Do that when we
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Speaker 1: know though, Like Dave's got a little slack to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think. You look at him, you think maybe not.
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Speaker 1: let's talking about Galimore. Um, he was the third round
Speaker 1: pick for the Cowboys at picked eighty two. Talk to
Speaker 1: me about his greatest assets, his greatest weak desist. Tell
Speaker 1: me a little bit about it. Give me a scout
Speaker 1: a report on this Galimore guy from Oklahoma. It's big,
Speaker 1: he's like stuff's the middle. He's not getting pushed back.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's the kind of I mean, if
Speaker 1: you just all you have to do is look at
Speaker 1: the kind of guys they have signed this year in
Speaker 1: free agency, had defensive tackle. They're trying to get a
Speaker 1: different prototype. There he fits it. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know this that when they drafted digs, they did not
Speaker 1: they weren't true to their board because Gallimore was rated
Speaker 1: higher than that. They went with Need. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: much higher, but it was a little bit higher. But
Speaker 1: then when they got to the third round they said,
Speaker 1: wait a second, we got it. Here's this guy sitting here. Um,
Speaker 1: he you know, and he would be a guy that
Speaker 1: if you look at Poe and McCoy, they're not long
Speaker 1: term fixes here. So I think it's just a good
Speaker 1: fit all the way around. I'll take the words right
Speaker 1: out of Will mcclay's mouth because he told us a
Speaker 1: guy like a guy that side shouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: move that. Well. You know, he surprised a lot of
Speaker 1: people with his forty time at the combine, and Will
Speaker 1: basically said, you know, when a guy that's playing defensive
Speaker 1: tackle can move like that and get after the quarterback
Speaker 1: like that, uh, it makes your defense a lot better.
Speaker 1: And he mentioned his his reactive athleticism as well, which, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your ability to change directions quickly, react to things quickly
Speaker 1: makes you valuable at any position on defense, let alone,
Speaker 1: you know, the one that people typically associate with big,
Speaker 1: slow guys. So I think they were really impressed by
Speaker 1: having such a twitchy athlete play in that position. And
Speaker 1: I'll make a prediction there. This is a this is
Speaker 1: a bold prediction, but Neville Galimore will play some offense
Speaker 1: next year, but a package what about pose that same
Speaker 1: kind of guy, right, he's done it, Okay, Well, he's
Speaker 1: lost a step or two. And I think Galimore will
Speaker 1: be the guy that that does that. I bet, I
Speaker 1: bet he plays one snap of offense. I just think
Speaker 1: where we're gonna have some changes like that, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a little fun creativity that maybe the coach before
Speaker 1: it didn't do too much of. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: I love that idea. Let's talk about what that pick
Speaker 1: means though for Tristan Hill. Triston Hill was a guy
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys drafted last year a second round by
Speaker 1: all accounts, didn't really live up to what the expectations
Speaker 1: would have been for him. In his first year. There
Speaker 1: were games mini games that he was actually inactive for,
Speaker 1: so he didn't even work into the rotation. What do
Speaker 1: you think this says about what this coaching staff thinks
Speaker 1: of Tristan Hill or does it say anything about that?
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if anybody wants to talk bad about
Speaker 1: this draft, they could just use that card. All you
Speaker 1: have to pull out is the Tristan Hill card. While
Speaker 1: they picked him in the second round. So let's be
Speaker 1: careful of how we get, you know, too excited about players,
Speaker 1: which is true. What does it mean for him? I
Speaker 1: just think he's going to be battling for playing time again.
Speaker 1: If Antoine Woods comes back and signs his tender and
Speaker 1: like he's expected to do, you know, there's four tackles
Speaker 1: with Gallimore. You know, is he going to be better
Speaker 1: than Gallimore. That's that's going to be the key. But
Speaker 1: I was really hoping he would have a full offseason
Speaker 1: in the weight room with the strength and conditioning coach
Speaker 1: to get better and stronger. He still could be doing that,
Speaker 1: but you know, you wonder about the structure for all
Speaker 1: those young players. Yeah, I'm I'm curious what this might
Speaker 1: mean for Tristan Hill because I mean, right now, I
Speaker 1: don't want to read too much into anything because I
Speaker 1: don't think that defensive tackle depth chart is filled out.
Speaker 1: Nick mentioned Antoine Woods. Christian Covington was a guy that
Speaker 1: I thought they might sign after the draft, but he
Speaker 1: went to Denver instead, So I think one way or another,
Speaker 1: they've still got to add a body there. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, they have Justin Hamilton, who they brought in,
Speaker 1: but really they've only got I think they've got five
Speaker 1: right now, which you'd probably like to see more, especially
Speaker 1: for a training camp roster. So right now, I don't
Speaker 1: want to read too much into it, but if they
Speaker 1: bring in a veteran, if Woods comes back, Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: needs to have a good training camp again. I mean again,
Speaker 1: he's the last staff's pick and he was not impressive
Speaker 1: when he was there pet cat Let alone, this staff
Speaker 1: that might not think the world of him at all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, hopefully he's having a productive offseason
Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna need to perform when this
Speaker 1: team finally starts practicing. Where do you think Gallimore fits
Speaker 1: best three technique of one technique for a guy that
Speaker 1: moves like I bet he keep played. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he can play both three for sure, but I
Speaker 1: want him penetrating he can move. If he can move
Speaker 1: like that and get after the quarterback the way that
Speaker 1: they think he can, I want to put him in
Speaker 1: the position where he has a chance to do that.
Speaker 1: But I do think he can play both. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see him being the backup to Gerald McCoy there
Speaker 1: and Poe playing the one technique, and maybe Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: is the backup there even though you know, as big
Speaker 1: as Antoine is, and look it fills out that ninety
Speaker 1: nine jersey and with this with this staff and the
Speaker 1: and there and what they like on the tackles, he's
Speaker 1: actually undersized for I think the way that they want
Speaker 1: to play. But um, you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about him. He's an exclusive rights free agent.
Speaker 1: They gave him a tender, he hasn't signed it. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have much leverage. If he wants to play football,
Speaker 1: he'll probably have to sign him and play. And you know,
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's on the Cowboys if he makes
Speaker 1: the team. But um, there's there's a lot of fans
Speaker 1: that keep asking about this because he's he just hasn't
Speaker 1: signed his tender yet. Well, I also, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't wanna what's the word
Speaker 1: speculate too much? But I mean, do they want him back?
Speaker 1: Like is it simply he hasn't signed it, or like
Speaker 1: they haven't offered him the tender to be signed. Now
Speaker 1: they they've issued the tender. They have I had to
Speaker 1: ask that question. He has, he has issued the tender.
Speaker 1: But he told the one time, long time ago, like
Speaker 1: in February, when we were actually up there at the
Speaker 1: training table. He said he wanted a long term deal.
Speaker 1: He's looking for like a three year, ten million dollar deal.
Speaker 1: He told me that, and I'm like, okay, And Drew
Speaker 1: Rosenhouse is his agent. He's looking for a deal. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys are interested in doing that, obviously,
Speaker 1: and so I think there's a little bit of issue there.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the NFL has less leverage than in exclusive
Speaker 1: rights free agents, So right right, sorry, buddy, He'll be
Speaker 1: back to tell you. And as you guys just said,
Speaker 1: I mean, they need bodies at that position. I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're finished filling out that position. They're gonna
Speaker 1: need that. You would think they would need him to
Speaker 1: play this year, and he doesn't really have the leverage
Speaker 1: to go anywhere else if the Cowboys won his services
Speaker 1: at the price of the exclusive right tender. So to me,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's a no brainer that he's going
Speaker 1: to be here if he wants to play football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what you know, what I'm missing here,
Speaker 1: But I think he's a good player. I do. I
Speaker 1: like his size. I think he plays hard, He's played
Speaker 1: through injuries, He's tough. You know, he just kind of
Speaker 1: has this attitude that he plays with that you know
Speaker 1: d Law has trained him well. He plays in that
Speaker 1: hot boy attitude. And I think that there's a good
Speaker 1: fit for him. And if he was my third or
Speaker 1: fourth tackle, that wouldn't be bad for me. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem bringing him back. If anything, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe the new coaches were not particularly enamored because again,
Speaker 1: I mean, they go out and signed don try Poe,
Speaker 1: who is the opposite of Antoine Woods. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's a good player, but there's no way around
Speaker 1: the fact that he's an undersized nose tackle. So my
Speaker 1: thought process was that maybe they would want a bigger guy,
Speaker 1: but if they want to bring back Antoine Woods, they
Speaker 1: got one, no problem, Yeah they did. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with that at all. Yeah, but as Nick said,
Speaker 1: if he is your third or fourth guy at defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: I love that. Like, maybe you don't love him as
Speaker 1: your starter, but as a depth guy, guy that's gonna rotate.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love bringing in a guy with
Speaker 1: that kind of energy to be able to come in
Speaker 1: and spell my my starter. So I really like that,
Speaker 1: and I hope that they all that he signs his
Speaker 1: tender and gets back because I think he can be
Speaker 1: a real asset to this team with the current construct
Speaker 1: of what they have at defensive tackle. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on to talk a little bit real quickly about
Speaker 1: Tyler Biadas, who was the fourth fourth round pick pick
Speaker 1: number one forty six for the Cowboys center out of Wisconsin, Obviously,
Speaker 1: the big comparison here is that he's out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick retires, Uh, he is also a center out
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. Talk to me about just the nature of
Speaker 1: what's happening right now the center position and who the
Speaker 1: players are at this point that are in line to
Speaker 1: possibly replace Tyler Frederick, and maybe where Tyler Biadis fits
Speaker 1: into that. Travis Frederick. Yeah, I was like, that just
Speaker 1: did not sound right, Tyler Well, Travis Frederick, Tyler Biadas, Yes,
Speaker 1: go um. You know, I think that that they covered
Speaker 1: them else when they signed Joe Looney. If they no
Speaker 1: one is better than Joe Looney, then that's gonna be
Speaker 1: your center next year. And I think he's proven that
Speaker 1: that can be pretty good, but you could always get better,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's not a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that were knocking on his door that wanted him to
Speaker 1: be their starting center. So I think that if if
Speaker 1: you know, beyondest is it can come in, and you
Speaker 1: also forget Connor mcgovernor, it will should be able to
Speaker 1: compete there. So they've got options at center, and someone's
Speaker 1: got to beat out Joe Looney. So I think that's
Speaker 1: a good bar if you can get over that, then
Speaker 1: they'll be better on offense. Yeah, I'm I'm really fast.
Speaker 1: I think, by the way, this is all going to
Speaker 1: pan out, because it seems like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: moving parts. Before they drafted Beatish, they said it was
Speaker 1: going to be between Looney and the two Connors. That
Speaker 1: means that they expected Connor Williams to at least have
Speaker 1: some kind of role in this competition. Do they still
Speaker 1: expect that to be the case, or do they insert
Speaker 1: Tyler Beotish into the conversation and let Honor worry about that,
Speaker 1: Or conceivably, if Connor Williams can't beat out Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: at left guard, do you consider him as a possibility
Speaker 1: at swing tackle? Because if you're looking for ways to
Speaker 1: knock this draft class, they didn't really address that problem
Speaker 1: at at offensive tackle. Again, for the value they got
Speaker 1: everywhere else, I'm not mad about it, but that's still
Speaker 1: a fact. So I'm curious to see how all this
Speaker 1: shakes out. I think it's probably a mistake to just
Speaker 1: assume Tyler Beatis is going to like plug into the
Speaker 1: starting lineup. That doesn't mean that he can't, but I
Speaker 1: hope people aren't expecting the same day one success as
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick just because they went to the same school.
Speaker 1: Is Joe Looting sufficient as your center? Do you feel
Speaker 1: good about him? If he as your sinner? If he's
Speaker 1: not my center, that means somebody else played way better
Speaker 1: than him, in which in case like I feel great
Speaker 1: about that. But I expect Joe loooning to win the job,
Speaker 1: and I think I think they'll be just fine. But again,
Speaker 1: if somebody plays out of their minds and takes the
Speaker 1: job away from them, then that means that the competition
Speaker 1: worked the way it's supposed to. Dave Camber, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry guys that I haven't been participating so much,
Speaker 1: but my audio is all screwed up, and I keep
Speaker 1: hearing like cuts in and out. But I see that
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about the center position because I
Speaker 1: see Joe Looney up there, so um, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see everything that happens here. I did hear
Speaker 1: Dave said and talk about a lot of moving parts
Speaker 1: happening here and then mentioning all these other guys prior
Speaker 1: to drafting the center guy us to possible players that
Speaker 1: could go into the center position if needed. I am
Speaker 1: curious to see what they do with with Karner Williams
Speaker 1: and corner my Vern who. To be honest, last time
Speaker 1: I saw him at the facility towards the end of
Speaker 1: the year, he still seemed very I don't want to
Speaker 1: call him weak, but he didn't have the body that
Speaker 1: you would want an offensive lineman to have. You know,
Speaker 1: he to me still lacks a lot of strength, just
Speaker 1: based off looks because we haven't seen much of him
Speaker 1: since he was out all last year because of the
Speaker 1: pectoral injury that he got. So I'm just very, very
Speaker 1: concerned about this offseason and how that's going to pan
Speaker 1: out for the class from last year, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as putting on weight and strength. And you talked
Speaker 1: about Tristan Hill too in the in the earlier segment,
Speaker 1: So these guys that did not have a successful year
Speaker 1: last year, it makes me wonder how much this whole
Speaker 1: situation with the virus and us not being too able
Speaker 1: to go to the facility just yet, how that's gonna
Speaker 1: play a role into the development of these younger players
Speaker 1: and what they're gonna be able to do this next year.
Speaker 1: All the more reason why I'm putting my money on
Speaker 1: Joe Looney to win the job, you know, and also
Speaker 1: don't forget that, you know, when Joe Looney was the
Speaker 1: starting center a couple of years ago. You know, he
Speaker 1: had played some in training camp because Travis was injured,
Speaker 1: but all offseason Travis was healthy. So, you know, unlike
Speaker 1: that year, this offseason, which let me just scratch that,
Speaker 1: because this offseason is not like any offseason in the
Speaker 1: history of football, so it's gonna be different. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying his mindset as the starter. He will go
Speaker 1: into the season as the starter and someone has to
Speaker 1: knock him off, as opposed to, Hey Joe, did you
Speaker 1: hear what happened to Travis? You're the starter now? Good luck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually interested. I'm actually interested in one of these.
Speaker 1: Amber mentioned this with the fact that the team hasn't
Speaker 1: been there,