WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Circumcision Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.960 Hi, everybody, It's November thirty two ten. What now it's not, 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.799 but I'm gonna bring you back in time. We're all 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.840 getting in the way back machine for this Saturday select everyone, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.720 and we're going back to November because we published How 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.960 Circumcision Works that day and uh, this is a good one. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:26.599 It kind of tied up medical some medical science along 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:31.200 with um. While the controversies around circumcision, there's really no 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.200 way around that. It's not a it's not an open 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.960 and closed, uh discussion. It's very much open for debate, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.800 and we get into it in this episode. It is. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.559 It's a pretty good one. So if you think you 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.760 can handle it, listen to How Circumcision Works right now. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.000 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:05.840 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.400 m Clark. With me is Charles W. Bryant. That makes 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.840 this stuff. You should nizzo. Um and uh that's that. Hi, Hey, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.440 josh m Clark. Joshua Clark. Yes, you don't have a 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:27.600 fancy setup today, I have an intro. Okay, let's hear it. Okay, Wow, Chuck, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.200 you really kind of waiting up against the wall, aren't 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.240 you today. Are you waiting on me a little bit? Okay? Um? 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.679 Are you ready? I'm ready, Chuck, Josh, have you ever 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.000 heard of Lloyd Schofield? I have not. Yes, you have? 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.800 You always do this? Who is he? Uh? He is 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.680 a guy out in San Francisco who has proposed for 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:53.160 next Novembers. Um, I guess referendum elections. It wouldn't even 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.240 be mid term. What do you call the elections between 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.640 mid term and you know, the big ones quarter term? 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.080 I don't know. Okay, we'll call it that. For next 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.840 November's ballot in San Francisco, there may be a referendum 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.960 if Floyd Scofield has anything to do with it. The 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:12.280 Outright Band's male circumcision in San Francisco. Well, yeah, obviously, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:17.400 but you gotta start somewhere, Um, scope Field needs signatures 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.840 and uh, basically read read the read the provision, Chuck, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.519 the wording of the proposed referendum. Uh. It would make 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.120 it a misdemeanor to circumcise, excise, cut, or mutilate the 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.920 genitals of a person under eighteen. Right, and he he 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.400 says it's genital mutilation. That's how he feels, and other 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.760 people feel that way. Too. Yeah, he's definitely not um 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.120 on his own in that one. There's some people in 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.359 this CBS AP article they're like, it's a little too far. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.600 It should be the choice of the parents, Scofield's idea, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.639 And it's kind of it kind of appears in this 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.240 um in the wording of the ballot measure that it's 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.799 a parent's choice, but it's not the choice of most 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:07.120 people who are circumcised, because they're generally circumcised as newborn infants. Yeah, 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.720 little boys are. And he likened to to tooing because 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.520 you're not allowed to to to a child. When did 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.520 you start saying tattoo like that? What do you mean 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.320 to too? Is that weird? Yeah, it's a little weird. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.200 It's like humans. Well that's what he says. He said that, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.520 you know, to felony to to to a kid. So Jerry, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.120 he's really laughing in there, to tattoo a child, and 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.600 so he says it's the same thing. Well, yeah, he's 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.040 actually saying it's way way worse than tattooing. Um, but 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:37.840 he he is saying it's along the same lines as 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.240 a choice by the parents that is possibly against the 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.480 child's will. Later on, UM and that's that. So let's 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.280 talk about circumcision, because this is a little that's an 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.960 odd approach to me, you know, like the way I've 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.800 always understood it is you, you know, there's circumcision out there. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:59.240 It's not weird, it's not odd. But as you kind 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.000 of get older, you realize that there's, you know, two 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.160 sides to this whole story, and it kind of is 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.040 actually um and you kind of come to realize, like 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.000 there's people out there who think that people who aren't 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.280 you're circumcised or weird, and people out there who think 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.480 that people who are circumcised or weird. Right, exactly, Let's 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.200 do some stats, stat man, Well, I think the first 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.400 stat we should open with, perhaps is that if you 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:30.000 are an American boy or man in the last thirty years, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.480 then there's about a three and five chance that you 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.400 are circumcised here in this country over the past three decades, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.200 although that is falling big time. Yeah, what was the 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.320 three and five chance now? Um in two thousand five, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.960 between night and I think two thousand it was about 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.000 three and five, right, and then by two thousand five 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.000 it had dropped to about fifty three. Yeah, and the 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.320 Scofield says that in uh, two thousand nine fell to 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.599 thirty three. That's a huge drop, So in a decade 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.000 it fell, and they actually think one of the reasons 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.440 why is because there's been an increasing presence of Hispanics 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.359 in the US, and Hispanics are much much less likely 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:20.240 than any other group, um to circumcise their male infants. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.400 And it's also lower out west and uh, where there's 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.360 a larger Hispanic population. Yeah, in the Midwest, there's about 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.960 a chance that you are going to circumcise your boy. Uh. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:36.159 In the South, there's half right, it's like um Russian 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:41.680 roulette with a two barreled two chamber gun. Yeah, sure, uh. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.559 And then out west, Yeah, it's less than a quarter 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.440 um of of the male infants are circumcised out there 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.920 every year. But ultimately there's about one point two million circumcisions. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.120 Well there were in two thousand five. Yes, so now 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.159 we're down to less than that. But in two thousand 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.839 five there about one point two million male boys born 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.279 in the United States who were circumcised. Right, Yeah, and 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.040 since you mentioned that, that about two hundred dollars a pop. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.000 Even though it's included in your in your birth and bill, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.360 it's about two million dollars that UM insurance companies would 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.880 love to not have to pay exactly. So there's actually 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.839 UM I don't know if it's overt support or maybe 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.200 quiet financial support or whatever, but the insurance companies are 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:31.400 very happy to side with the anti circumcision movement and medicaid. Yes, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:55.320 of course, So Chuck, let's talk about the penis. Let's 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.719 talk about the foreskin. That's part of it. We're gonna 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.320 say the word penis a whole lot because you can't 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.680 avoid it when you're talking about circumcision. That's right, Because 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.719 let's just go ahead and set up for our foreign 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.120 friends who may not know what circumcision is, like Roller Derby. Uh, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.920 circumcision is when the foreskin of the penis, it's also 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.400 called the prep use prepuse is removed, simple as that. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.280 So you've got the prep use, which is the foreskin. Yes, 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.680 it covers the tip of the penis, which is also 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.680 called the glands g L A N s uh. And 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.960 then there's a piece of connective tissue that works much 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.640 like the connective tissue that anchors the bottom of your 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.520 tongue to the floor of your mouth, called a frenulum. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.920 And that, yes, the prep use connected to the glands. Yeah. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.600 And they also said the inner portion of the foreskin 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.560 is also much like the inside of your mouth, and 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.239 that it has a natural moisture to lubricate the glands. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:59.160 It's hot and moist in there, that's what it says. Yes, um, yeah, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.160 it provides luber cation which kind of keeps it safe 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.840 and sheathed. I guess right, yeah, from abrasion. And like 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.840 they've mentioned, cold and wind dry, the dry winter air 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.920 can be rough on a glands. Yeah. And they this 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.920 was the Tom Sheef article, and my hat is off 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.200 to him for this one. Yes, Tom did a great 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.160 job with us. I liked your first response, um, chuck. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:26.560 It also contains the prep use, also contains um, some 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:32.800 nerve cells, bundles blood, special blood cells. Just it makes 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.839 the the penis that much more sensitive. And the fact 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:41.400 that it's uh, it produces movement aids in stimulation. Yeah, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.280 and lubrication. So there's a lot of people who are 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.760 happy with their prep use or foreskin and are very 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.480 glad that they are um uncut, as the anti circumcision 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.160 groups would call it right, right or natural is another 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.360 one that's right. And since we're talking about the four skin. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.440 It's not the same on all dudes. It's uh like 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.000 every human body part. It varies from person to person. Uh. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.000 And some men actually are sort of naturally circumcised because 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.360 they're either born with very little foreskin, or they have 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:17.840 foreskins that actually retract during puberty they go or maybe 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:23.160 sad trombone and uh, they do serve a protective purpose, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.120 but they can also And for people that are on 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.280 both sides, we're gonna present both sides of the argument. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.880 So don't say you guys are just talking about this 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.200 one side. We're gonna talk about both sides, sure of course. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.280 But some one camp believes that, uh, it can cause 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.120 some problems. Well it can. I think everybody agrees on 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.560 these like these are the very rare problems that can 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.960 come about it, and having force, we should say that 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.679 it's rare, though, because one of the big problems that 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.920 the anti circumcision folks have is that these are overstated. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.160 Like when you say it can it's easier to get 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.000 dirty and bacteria can build up and all these things 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.400 can happen. That is true, but it's not like if 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.320 you skip a shower, this is gonna happen. Well, let's 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.040 talk about this because there there are some some problems 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.720 that can arise just from having an or normal foreskin. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.160 One of those problems because it is like the inside 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.600 of your mouth and they're warm, moist. You gotta keep 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:20.920 it clean. You do have to keep it clean. And 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.880 if you don't, a um, white build up, a white, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.360 soapy build up, soapy, soupy. This say is cheesy in 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.040 the article cheesy. That's right, A white, cheesy build up 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.679 called smeg mum can develop. Um. And once you start 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:40.280 developing a white, cheesy build up called smegma within your foreskin, um, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.600 you want to take a really hard, long look at 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.680 your grooming habits. Yeah, did you say smegmum? Smegma? Okay, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.680 smegmums maybe the plural. No, I want to make sure 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.280 you were saying it right, s magma, because the last 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.000 thing I want is listener mail on the pronunciation of smegma. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.640 We get all these voice files. Although I've awaysa smegma, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.840 but I think it's magma. Yeah, maybe I've just said 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.640 smegma for humor sake. Maybe all right, that was around 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.520 the time wains World was out, wasn't it. Probably um, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.480 that's just one but that's probably a pretty minor thing. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.840 I'm sure that's easily corrected. Your force game, though, can 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:23.480 also be um well. It can develop to two ways, 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.760 too tight or too loose, right and each other problems. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.800 Too tight, it can cause a condition known as pimosis. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.360 It's like trying to put on a sweater that's way 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.160 too small for you. It's a good way to look 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.920 at it, and that is a medical that's the main 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.319 medical determinant for whether or not you should get a circumcision. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.600 Like the main medical reason would be phi mosis. I 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.400 think that's probably because it's the most frequent. It's probably 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.760 the most frequent problem. You think, I think, Okay, if 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.880 it's too loose, then it's going to be called paraphymosis. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.920 And that's like wearing your dad's sweater. Yes, And it 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.120 can cause swelling of the glands and the forced in 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.200 And there's also something called balance post thesis, which is 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.199 swelling of the mucous surfaces of the four skin and 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:15.760 that can lead to skin disease, UH, problems with the urethra, pain, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:18.400 all sorts of things that you don't want to have 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.600 in general, like why God, why, I would imagine so 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.680 you can have your frenulum attached too tightly. That's the 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.960 frenulum brevi where it's just like that's like trying to 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.920 poke your head through that very very tight sweater. That's 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.240 a good way to look at it as well. Thank you, Chuck, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.920 very evocative, Josh. And um circumcision can help correct all 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.760 of these problems, but it is rarely a medically necessary 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.480 to get circumcanced. Right. And like we said, um, these 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.400 problems do exist. They are serious problems. It's at the 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.880 very least uncomfortable, if not, you know, downright dangerous. Um. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.280 And I think both sides agree that there are circumstances 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.880 such as these that do UM warrant circumcision. The problem 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.839 is most circumcision. I'm sure the vast majority of circumcisions 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:14.479 are um customary, cultural preventative, right, yeah, sociological in nature. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.360 Let's talk about the origins of circumcision. When did humans 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.240 get the idea to cut the foreskin off of boys penises? Well? 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.560 Did it start with the Bible? This is where tom started. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.120 But no, it didn't start with the As far back 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.240 as we can find, the Egyptians were doing Okay, that's 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.760 what we understand. Okay, you want to talk about that, Well, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.280 let's talk about the Bible first, because in the Book 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:41.360 of Genesis God made a covenant with Abraham, and as 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.920 we all know, Abraham was a Jewish patriarch and his descendants, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.439 Abraham was the patriarch of the houses of the Jews 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.920 and the Muslims. Dude, really, yes, Isaac, his son went 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.200 on to found the Jews. Well, went on to found 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:01.040 Judaism with the father Judaism Ishmael. What the other one 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.280 was a legitimate son, right, but he went on to 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:08.520 found um Islam. Yes, and Isaac, they said, basically, God's 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.640 gonna bless um Jews with riches and success all the 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.280 you know, the land will be fruitful if you get 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:20.000 circumcised by your eighth day of life. And not just you, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.400 but your sons, any servants that you capture, any sir, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.800 any sons that those captured servants has All boys have 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.040 to be circumcised. And this has led to the fact 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.320 that today of Jewish men are in fact circumcised and 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:43.560 um According to biblical tradition, uh Ishmael was circumcised before 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:48.240 he was basically run off from Abraham's family and um 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.600 so that kind of formed the basis of the Muslim 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.280 tradition of circumcision, which continues today. If you look at 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.440 um Muslim texts, the Kuran, apparently it doesn't have any 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.680 endorsement or mentioned of secumcision. But most Muslims today still 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.240 do circumcise because Muhammad apparently was circumcised. So there, I 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.920 guess it's a reverence for their profit. Yes, And today 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.280 about two thirds of every circumcised men on the planet 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:21.960 or Muslim of Jewish men, and two thirds of Muslim 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:29.040 and circumcised of all men on the planet are Muslim exactly. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.720 That's a tough one. It's kind of an odd qualifier. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.000 Christian sex don't really endorse one way or the other. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.200 They say, like, you know, decide amongst yourselves and Buddhism 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.800 and Hinduism. They don't really have a stance one way 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.120 or the other. Is that right? That's right? And we 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.840 talked about the Egyptians probably being the earliest group as 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:54.000 far as Western culture is concerned. Um like with most things, Uh, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.080 the Egyptians came up with this idea, not necessarily independently, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.800 or if it did independently, they weren't the only ones, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.360 but they apparently were the ones who exposed, um, the 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:11.160 early Israelites, early Jews to write this concept, right yeah, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.080 and then uh, at about the same time, possibly even 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.600 before other groups the Mayans and the Aztecs. Yeah, we're 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:24.160 both um circumcising their boys. Um, indigenous Australians, African Asian 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:30.960 and other American tribes, right yeah. And Georgians. Yeah, what 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.480 is that that I've never heard of them? The coal Colchians. Yeah, 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.440 I hadn't heard of him either, but described them. So 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.720 they were ancient people that is now modern day Georgia 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.000 and they were into it. Yeah, well they practiced it. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.000 And then so here in the West, Um, I guess 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.680 there was strictly religious until about the nineteenth century, right, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.640 and then all of a sudden, medicine is like we 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.320 we can do that. Well yeah, but that's also around 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.720 the same time that they were doing all sorts of 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.080 things saying that this could solve this this like we 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.280 can treat v D and we can cure homosexuality with circumcision, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.960 and uh, impotence was another one. So they were a 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.080 little bit off base, I would say, they're as in 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.199 way off base, I would think, so, yeah, but it 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.600 did it did have a lasting impression circumcision did become 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.679 associated with the medical establishment here in the West, and 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.040 that I think that's translated elsewhere in the Jewish faith. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:32.119 A um mohel mohole mole mole, yeah, mole okay, Um, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:38.600 they still perform briss us briss i brisom I just 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.919 the only thing I know about that is from Seinfeld 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:47.000 when Jerry was supposed to perform the snap. Um. They 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:51.040 they may still perform these procedures, Uh, in the Arab world, 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.280 in the Muslim world, Um, that's it's generally done in 0:17:55.359 --> 0:18:02.119 the medical realm um. And then that's actually that was 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.919 taken away from barber's in ancient Turkey and yeah, in 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.120 Turkey and the Middle East of the Middle Ages, barbers 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:15.439 used to do amputations, blood lettings and circumcisions. Blood lettings 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.720 like give you a nice bleating and you'll be feeling better, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.240 get all the toxins out of your blood. Uh. Let's 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.840 talk about it around the globe, like how how it 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.160 actually goes down like today? Yeah, Like the Jews still 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.160 still do it traditionally before the Eighth Day, they kind 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.480 of stick to that. And Egypt it' um anywhere from 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.600 birth to about eight years old and in Malaysia. It's 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.919 in other places it's like a rite of passage, like 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:47.520 at early adolescence. Yeah, some um and some Muslim cultures. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:52.320 Once a boy can recite the Koran um once like 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.680 all the way through right right, which I mean think 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.760 about that and think about if you don't want to 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:01.320 get circumcised. Like remember one, once a boy can do 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.160 that um there that's associated with the time when he'll 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.240 be circumcised after that. And you didn't see there's some 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.000 really sad cute pictures in this article. Now. Yeah, there's 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.240 a little boy who's clutching his genitalia under his hospital 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.200 gown and crying because he's like second in line to 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.960 be circumcised. There's a kid who's being circumcised on page zero. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.240 It's sad stuff. I'm glad I don't print the pictures out. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.199 I don't want to see that. In Africa, Josh, it 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.600 is also in a lot of tribes, coming of age 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.640 type of thing. And here's the deal in Africa, though 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.879 sometimes there's not in these remote areas a trained professional 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.320 with all the right equipment, and they do it anyway. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.439 And because of this, there's like a thirty five percent 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.040 increased risk of complications six percent, like severe complications that 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:54.840 possibly um result in partial or full amputation of the penis. Yeah. Um, 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.880 but sometimes a traveling uh circumcis or will roll through 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.760 town and his ice cream truck, and everybody comes out 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.399 and UH with boys of all ages because they know 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.640 the safe, real doctor with the real clean equipment is there, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.440 and so they'll bring up boys of all ages to 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.399 get circumcised when he rolls through. Yes, which is a 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.840 good thing that happens. Asia, it's extremely rare unless they 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:25.400 have um thriving Muslim populations. But in Asia, among Asian cultures, 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.600 it's it's pretty uncommon, except chuck. In South Korea and 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.360 the Philippines, circumcision is pretty common. Who knew the American 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.680 serviceman knew? Yeah? Is that the reason why Korea, Yes, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:42.000 and the Philippines. American servicemen stationed there in the ladder 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.760 half Beginning in the ladder half of the twentieth century. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.080 UM apparently got the word leaked out that they were 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.480 missing their pre pious and UM. South Koreans and Filipinos 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:58.040 started following suit already. Well, that's circumcision around the globe today. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.840 If we forgot your country then we apologize. Please write 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.280 in Shall we talk about the procedure itself? Yeah, as 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.199 Tom put it next up, the big show. Is that 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.439 what he said? I didn't see that part. There's some 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.119 did you? So you didn't see the pictures, the illustrations 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.520 like step by step illustration. I didn't need it, dotted 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.200 lines like where you clip out a coupon, have a 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.520 pretty get what's going on down there? So I didn't. 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.320 I was just fine with the words. Uh so what 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.760 happens Josh is ah a baby? If it's a baby 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.560 in infant circumcision, then they strapped the baby down of 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.679 course arms and legs, which it just seems like an 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.560 awful thing to bed start when you read it. Um, 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.719 they give a either a topical anesthetic, uh you know, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.639 rubbed around the area or injected around the base of 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:52.679 the penis to numb the area. Um. There are a 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.480 few different devices that the person performing the procedure can 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.119 choose from, and I know you know a little bit 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.040 about these. I do. Let's hear it. There's like three things. Well, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.520 there's the Gomko clamp, the Mogan clamp, and the Plasta 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.800 bell device. Right, so I did. I didn't really look 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.680 into the Mogan clamp um because it just too wow. 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.439 But the Gomco clamp um has been around for a 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.679 while and it sounds like something you could see on 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.560 a late night TV head. You can actually buy them 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.600 on the internet for bucks. Yeah, search Gomco clamp it 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.119 comes up and do not do not buy one and 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.680 do this at home. That is in no way in endorsement, 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:38.520 and it just stop stop right now. Um there. The 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.000 Gomko clamp involves a bell with a an arm, an 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.680 appendage that comes off the tip of the bell. Put 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:49.000 that in, pull the um foreskin up around the bell. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.520 So what you're doing is you're inserting this metal layer 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.040 between the glands and the foreskin. Like all these things, 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.119 you're separating the foreskin from the gland exactly. That's pretty 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.320 much the key to circumcision um. You pull it up around, 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.400 you slide it through this hole, has an arm attached 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.960 to the top of the bell holding everything taut, and 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.880 then you cut around it and remove the four skin. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.880 The plastic bell um devices it's similar. It doesn't have 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:19.080 the arm and the clamp holding everything, but basically you're 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.240 just you're putting a bell in between the glands and 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.200 the four skin and um. Then you you basically tie 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:31.200 off the suture around the the four skin that's been 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.680 pulled up, and then you cut that and then eventually, 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.280 after like a few days, the bell falls off and 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.159 you're fine, supposedly well, And that's about the recovery period. 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.240 Uh period if you're an infant is about three to 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.120 four days. Plan on having a grumpy little baby boy 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.639 for those next few days, and plan on keeping the 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.720 area really really clean and maybe you might even have 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.320 to bandage it, and just you got to make sure 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:03.160 that you keep it uh separate from diaper poopoo, because 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.520 you don't want a fresh surgery being around fecal matter. 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.440 Not not a good thing. No, it's you're you're looking 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.680 at a pretty hefty, little horrible infection there. And it 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.359 takes about thirty minutes. Yeah, if you're an adult, you 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.560 don't necessarily need to use any of these other bells 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.320 or whistles literally bells, um. But you can just pull 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.480 the for skin forward, make a couple of incisions, UM, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.199 cut off the frenulum, stitch back. Basically, you're stitching this 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:33.640 hanging loose skin to the just to the corona, which 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:38.240 is the strip just below the gland um and ba 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.679 boom bada being no sex for a couple of weeks, 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.080 which no one should have to tell you that, but 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.720 we're telling you that. Yeah, that would be common sense 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.880 if you asked me, then it's done. So why are 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.199 people doing this, Chuck, I mean, think about that, especially 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.840 as an adult. Why why are people circumcising uh, both 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.439 there themselves and their infant sons? Why is it like 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.479 all the rage? So this is the argument four, and 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.040 we will cover the argument against before you get upset 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.080