1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, It's November thirty two ten. What now it's not, 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bring you back in time. We're all 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: getting in the way back machine for this Saturday select everyone, 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: and we're going back to November because we published How 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Circumcision Works that day and uh, this is a good one. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: It kind of tied up medical some medical science along 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: with um. While the controversies around circumcision, there's really no 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: way around that. It's not a it's not an open 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: and closed, uh discussion. It's very much open for debate, 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: and we get into it in this episode. It is. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: It's a pretty good one. So if you think you 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: can handle it, listen to How Circumcision Works right now. 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: m Clark. With me is Charles W. Bryant. That makes 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: this stuff. You should nizzo. Um and uh that's that. Hi, Hey, 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: josh m Clark. Joshua Clark. Yes, you don't have a 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: fancy setup today, I have an intro. Okay, let's hear it. Okay, Wow, Chuck, 19 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: you really kind of waiting up against the wall, aren't 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: you today. Are you waiting on me a little bit? Okay? Um? 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm ready, Chuck, Josh, have you ever 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: heard of Lloyd Schofield? I have not. Yes, you have? 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: You always do this? Who is he? Uh? He is 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: a guy out in San Francisco who has proposed for 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: next Novembers. Um, I guess referendum elections. It wouldn't even 26 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: be mid term. What do you call the elections between 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: mid term and you know, the big ones quarter term? 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, we'll call it that. For next 29 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: November's ballot in San Francisco, there may be a referendum 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: if Floyd Scofield has anything to do with it. The 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Outright Band's male circumcision in San Francisco. Well, yeah, obviously, 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: but you gotta start somewhere, Um, scope Field needs signatures 33 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: and uh, basically read read the read the provision, Chuck, 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: the wording of the proposed referendum. Uh. It would make 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: it a misdemeanor to circumcise, excise, cut, or mutilate the 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: genitals of a person under eighteen. Right, and he he 37 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: says it's genital mutilation. That's how he feels, and other 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: people feel that way. Too. Yeah, he's definitely not um 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: on his own in that one. There's some people in 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: this CBS AP article they're like, it's a little too far. 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: It should be the choice of the parents, Scofield's idea, 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: And it's kind of it kind of appears in this 43 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: um in the wording of the ballot measure that it's 44 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: a parent's choice, but it's not the choice of most 45 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: people who are circumcised, because they're generally circumcised as newborn infants. Yeah, 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: little boys are. And he likened to to tooing because 47 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to to to a child. When did 48 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: you start saying tattoo like that? What do you mean 49 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: to too? Is that weird? Yeah, it's a little weird. 50 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: It's like humans. Well that's what he says. He said that, 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, to felony to to to a kid. So Jerry, 52 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: he's really laughing in there, to tattoo a child, and 53 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: so he says it's the same thing. Well, yeah, he's 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: actually saying it's way way worse than tattooing. Um, but 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: he he is saying it's along the same lines as 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: a choice by the parents that is possibly against the 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: child's will. Later on, UM and that's that. So let's 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: talk about circumcision, because this is a little that's an 59 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: odd approach to me, you know, like the way I've 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: always understood it is you, you know, there's circumcision out there. 61 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: It's not weird, it's not odd. But as you kind 62 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: of get older, you realize that there's, you know, two 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: sides to this whole story, and it kind of is 64 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: actually um and you kind of come to realize, like 65 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: there's people out there who think that people who aren't 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: you're circumcised or weird, and people out there who think 67 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: that people who are circumcised or weird. Right, exactly, Let's 68 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: do some stats, stat man, Well, I think the first 69 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: stat we should open with, perhaps is that if you 70 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: are an American boy or man in the last thirty years, 71 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: then there's about a three and five chance that you 72 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: are circumcised here in this country over the past three decades, 73 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: although that is falling big time. Yeah, what was the 74 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: three and five chance now? Um in two thousand five, 75 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: between night and I think two thousand it was about 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: three and five, right, and then by two thousand five 77 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: it had dropped to about fifty three. Yeah, and the 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Scofield says that in uh, two thousand nine fell to 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: thirty three. That's a huge drop, So in a decade 80 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: it fell, and they actually think one of the reasons 81 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: why is because there's been an increasing presence of Hispanics 82 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: in the US, and Hispanics are much much less likely 83 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: than any other group, um to circumcise their male infants. 84 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: And it's also lower out west and uh, where there's 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: a larger Hispanic population. Yeah, in the Midwest, there's about 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: a chance that you are going to circumcise your boy. Uh. 87 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: In the South, there's half right, it's like um Russian 88 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: roulette with a two barreled two chamber gun. Yeah, sure, uh. 89 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: And then out west, Yeah, it's less than a quarter 90 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: um of of the male infants are circumcised out there 91 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: every year. But ultimately there's about one point two million circumcisions. 92 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: Well there were in two thousand five. Yes, so now 93 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: we're down to less than that. But in two thousand 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: five there about one point two million male boys born 95 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: in the United States who were circumcised. Right, Yeah, and 96 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: since you mentioned that, that about two hundred dollars a pop. 97 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Even though it's included in your in your birth and bill, 98 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: it's about two million dollars that UM insurance companies would 99 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: love to not have to pay exactly. So there's actually 100 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: UM I don't know if it's overt support or maybe 101 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: quiet financial support or whatever, but the insurance companies are 102 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: very happy to side with the anti circumcision movement and medicaid. Yes, 103 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: of course, So Chuck, let's talk about the penis. Let's 104 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: talk about the foreskin. That's part of it. We're gonna 105 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: say the word penis a whole lot because you can't 106 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: avoid it when you're talking about circumcision. That's right, Because 107 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: let's just go ahead and set up for our foreign 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: friends who may not know what circumcision is, like Roller Derby. Uh, 109 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: circumcision is when the foreskin of the penis, it's also 110 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: called the prep use prepuse is removed, simple as that. 111 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: So you've got the prep use, which is the foreskin. Yes, 112 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: it covers the tip of the penis, which is also 113 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: called the glands g L A N s uh. And 114 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: then there's a piece of connective tissue that works much 115 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: like the connective tissue that anchors the bottom of your 116 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: tongue to the floor of your mouth, called a frenulum. 117 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: And that, yes, the prep use connected to the glands. Yeah. 118 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: And they also said the inner portion of the foreskin 119 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: is also much like the inside of your mouth, and 120 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: that it has a natural moisture to lubricate the glands. 121 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: It's hot and moist in there, that's what it says. Yes, um, yeah, 122 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it provides luber cation which kind of keeps it safe 123 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and sheathed. I guess right, yeah, from abrasion. And like 124 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: they've mentioned, cold and wind dry, the dry winter air 125 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: can be rough on a glands. Yeah. And they this 126 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: was the Tom Sheef article, and my hat is off 127 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: to him for this one. Yes, Tom did a great 128 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: job with us. I liked your first response, um, chuck. 129 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: It also contains the prep use, also contains um, some 130 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: nerve cells, bundles blood, special blood cells. Just it makes 131 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: the the penis that much more sensitive. And the fact 132 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: that it's uh, it produces movement aids in stimulation. Yeah, 133 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and lubrication. So there's a lot of people who are 134 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: happy with their prep use or foreskin and are very 135 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: glad that they are um uncut, as the anti circumcision 136 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: groups would call it right, right or natural is another 137 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: one that's right. And since we're talking about the four skin. 138 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: It's not the same on all dudes. It's uh like 139 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: every human body part. It varies from person to person. Uh. 140 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: And some men actually are sort of naturally circumcised because 141 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: they're either born with very little foreskin, or they have 142 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: foreskins that actually retract during puberty they go or maybe 143 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: sad trombone and uh, they do serve a protective purpose, 144 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: but they can also And for people that are on 145 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: both sides, we're gonna present both sides of the argument. 146 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: So don't say you guys are just talking about this 147 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: one side. We're gonna talk about both sides, sure of course. 148 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: But some one camp believes that, uh, it can cause 149 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: some problems. Well it can. I think everybody agrees on 150 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: these like these are the very rare problems that can 151 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: come about it, and having force, we should say that 152 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: it's rare, though, because one of the big problems that 153 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: the anti circumcision folks have is that these are overstated. 154 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Like when you say it can it's easier to get 155 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: dirty and bacteria can build up and all these things 156 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: can happen. That is true, but it's not like if 157 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: you skip a shower, this is gonna happen. Well, let's 158 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: talk about this because there there are some some problems 159 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: that can arise just from having an or normal foreskin. 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: One of those problems because it is like the inside 161 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: of your mouth and they're warm, moist. You gotta keep 162 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: it clean. You do have to keep it clean. And 163 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: if you don't, a um, white build up, a white, 164 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: soapy build up, soapy, soupy. This say is cheesy in 165 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the article cheesy. That's right, A white, cheesy build up 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: called smeg mum can develop. Um. And once you start 167 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: developing a white, cheesy build up called smegma within your foreskin, um, 168 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: you want to take a really hard, long look at 169 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: your grooming habits. Yeah, did you say smegmum? Smegma? Okay, 170 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: smegmums maybe the plural. No, I want to make sure 171 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: you were saying it right, s magma, because the last 172 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: thing I want is listener mail on the pronunciation of smegma. 173 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: We get all these voice files. Although I've awaysa smegma, 174 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: but I think it's magma. Yeah, maybe I've just said 175 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: smegma for humor sake. Maybe all right, that was around 176 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: the time wains World was out, wasn't it. Probably um, 177 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: that's just one but that's probably a pretty minor thing. 178 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's easily corrected. Your force game, though, can 179 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: also be um well. It can develop to two ways, 180 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: too tight or too loose, right and each other problems. 181 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: Too tight, it can cause a condition known as pimosis. 182 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: It's like trying to put on a sweater that's way 183 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: too small for you. It's a good way to look 184 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: at it, and that is a medical that's the main 185 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: medical determinant for whether or not you should get a circumcision. 186 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: Like the main medical reason would be phi mosis. I 187 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: think that's probably because it's the most frequent. It's probably 188 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: the most frequent problem. You think, I think, Okay, if 189 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: it's too loose, then it's going to be called paraphymosis. 190 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: And that's like wearing your dad's sweater. Yes, And it 191 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: can cause swelling of the glands and the forced in 192 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: And there's also something called balance post thesis, which is 193 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: swelling of the mucous surfaces of the four skin and 194 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: that can lead to skin disease, UH, problems with the urethra, pain, 195 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: all sorts of things that you don't want to have 196 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: in general, like why God, why, I would imagine so 197 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: you can have your frenulum attached too tightly. That's the 198 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: frenulum brevi where it's just like that's like trying to 199 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: poke your head through that very very tight sweater. That's 200 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: a good way to look at it as well. Thank you, Chuck, 201 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: very evocative, Josh. And um circumcision can help correct all 202 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: of these problems, but it is rarely a medically necessary 203 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: to get circumcanced. Right. And like we said, um, these 204 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: problems do exist. They are serious problems. It's at the 205 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: very least uncomfortable, if not, you know, downright dangerous. Um. 206 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: And I think both sides agree that there are circumstances 207 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: such as these that do UM warrant circumcision. The problem 208 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: is most circumcision. I'm sure the vast majority of circumcisions 209 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:14,479 Speaker 1: are um customary, cultural preventative, right, yeah, sociological in nature. 210 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the origins of circumcision. When did humans 211 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: get the idea to cut the foreskin off of boys penises? Well? 212 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: Did it start with the Bible? This is where tom started. 213 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: But no, it didn't start with the As far back 214 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: as we can find, the Egyptians were doing Okay, that's 215 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: what we understand. Okay, you want to talk about that, Well, 216 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about the Bible first, because in the Book 217 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: of Genesis God made a covenant with Abraham, and as 218 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: we all know, Abraham was a Jewish patriarch and his descendants, 219 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: Abraham was the patriarch of the houses of the Jews 220 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: and the Muslims. Dude, really, yes, Isaac, his son went 221 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: on to found the Jews. Well, went on to found 222 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: Judaism with the father Judaism Ishmael. What the other one 223 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: was a legitimate son, right, but he went on to 224 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: found um Islam. Yes, and Isaac, they said, basically, God's 225 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: gonna bless um Jews with riches and success all the 226 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, the land will be fruitful if you get 227 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: circumcised by your eighth day of life. And not just you, 228 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: but your sons, any servants that you capture, any sir, 229 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: any sons that those captured servants has All boys have 230 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: to be circumcised. And this has led to the fact 231 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: that today of Jewish men are in fact circumcised and 232 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: um According to biblical tradition, uh Ishmael was circumcised before 233 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: he was basically run off from Abraham's family and um 234 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: so that kind of formed the basis of the Muslim 235 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: tradition of circumcision, which continues today. If you look at 236 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: um Muslim texts, the Kuran, apparently it doesn't have any 237 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: endorsement or mentioned of secumcision. But most Muslims today still 238 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: do circumcise because Muhammad apparently was circumcised. So there, I 239 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: guess it's a reverence for their profit. Yes, And today 240 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: about two thirds of every circumcised men on the planet 241 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: or Muslim of Jewish men, and two thirds of Muslim 242 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and circumcised of all men on the planet are Muslim exactly. 243 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: That's a tough one. It's kind of an odd qualifier. 244 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Christian sex don't really endorse one way or the other. 245 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: They say, like, you know, decide amongst yourselves and Buddhism 246 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: and Hinduism. They don't really have a stance one way 247 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: or the other. Is that right? That's right? And we 248 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: talked about the Egyptians probably being the earliest group as 249 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: far as Western culture is concerned. Um like with most things, Uh, 250 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: the Egyptians came up with this idea, not necessarily independently, 251 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: or if it did independently, they weren't the only ones, 252 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: but they apparently were the ones who exposed, um, the 253 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: early Israelites, early Jews to write this concept, right yeah, 254 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: and then uh, at about the same time, possibly even 255 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: before other groups the Mayans and the Aztecs. Yeah, we're 256 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: both um circumcising their boys. Um, indigenous Australians, African Asian 257 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: and other American tribes, right yeah. And Georgians. Yeah, what 258 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: is that that I've never heard of them? The coal Colchians. Yeah, 259 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of him either, but described them. So 260 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: they were ancient people that is now modern day Georgia 261 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: and they were into it. Yeah, well they practiced it. 262 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: And then so here in the West, Um, I guess 263 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: there was strictly religious until about the nineteenth century, right, 264 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, medicine is like we 265 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: we can do that. Well yeah, but that's also around 266 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: the same time that they were doing all sorts of 267 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: things saying that this could solve this this like we 268 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: can treat v D and we can cure homosexuality with circumcision, 269 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: and uh, impotence was another one. So they were a 270 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: little bit off base, I would say, they're as in 271 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: way off base, I would think, so, yeah, but it 272 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: did it did have a lasting impression circumcision did become 273 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: associated with the medical establishment here in the West, and 274 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: that I think that's translated elsewhere in the Jewish faith. 275 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: A um mohel mohole mole mole, yeah, mole okay, Um, 276 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: they still perform briss us briss i brisom I just 277 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: the only thing I know about that is from Seinfeld 278 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: when Jerry was supposed to perform the snap. Um. They 279 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: they may still perform these procedures, Uh, in the Arab world, 280 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: in the Muslim world, Um, that's it's generally done in 281 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the medical realm um. And then that's actually that was 282 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: taken away from barber's in ancient Turkey and yeah, in 283 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: Turkey and the Middle East of the Middle Ages, barbers 284 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: used to do amputations, blood lettings and circumcisions. Blood lettings 285 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: like give you a nice bleating and you'll be feeling better, 286 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: get all the toxins out of your blood. Uh. Let's 287 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: talk about it around the globe, like how how it 288 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: actually goes down like today? Yeah, Like the Jews still 289 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: still do it traditionally before the Eighth Day, they kind 290 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: of stick to that. And Egypt it' um anywhere from 291 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: birth to about eight years old and in Malaysia. It's 292 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: in other places it's like a rite of passage, like 293 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: at early adolescence. Yeah, some um and some Muslim cultures. 294 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: Once a boy can recite the Koran um once like 295 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: all the way through right right, which I mean think 296 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: about that and think about if you don't want to 297 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: get circumcised. Like remember one, once a boy can do 298 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: that um there that's associated with the time when he'll 299 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: be circumcised after that. And you didn't see there's some 300 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: really sad cute pictures in this article. Now. Yeah, there's 301 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: a little boy who's clutching his genitalia under his hospital 302 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: gown and crying because he's like second in line to 303 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: be circumcised. There's a kid who's being circumcised on page zero. 304 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: It's sad stuff. I'm glad I don't print the pictures out. 305 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. In Africa, Josh, it 306 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: is also in a lot of tribes, coming of age 307 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: type of thing. And here's the deal in Africa, though 308 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: sometimes there's not in these remote areas a trained professional 309 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: with all the right equipment, and they do it anyway. 310 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: And because of this, there's like a thirty five percent 311 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: increased risk of complications six percent, like severe complications that 312 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: possibly um result in partial or full amputation of the penis. Yeah. Um, 313 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: but sometimes a traveling uh circumcis or will roll through 314 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: town and his ice cream truck, and everybody comes out 315 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: and UH with boys of all ages because they know 316 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: the safe, real doctor with the real clean equipment is there, 317 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: and so they'll bring up boys of all ages to 318 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: get circumcised when he rolls through. Yes, which is a 319 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: good thing that happens. Asia, it's extremely rare unless they 320 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: have um thriving Muslim populations. But in Asia, among Asian cultures, 321 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty uncommon, except chuck. In South Korea and 322 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: the Philippines, circumcision is pretty common. Who knew the American 323 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: serviceman knew? Yeah? Is that the reason why Korea, Yes, 324 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: and the Philippines. American servicemen stationed there in the ladder 325 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: half Beginning in the ladder half of the twentieth century. 326 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: UM apparently got the word leaked out that they were 327 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: missing their pre pious and UM. South Koreans and Filipinos 328 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: started following suit already. Well, that's circumcision around the globe today. 329 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: If we forgot your country then we apologize. Please write 330 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: in Shall we talk about the procedure itself? Yeah, as 331 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: Tom put it next up, the big show. Is that 332 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: what he said? I didn't see that part. There's some 333 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: did you? So you didn't see the pictures, the illustrations 334 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: like step by step illustration. I didn't need it, dotted 335 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: lines like where you clip out a coupon, have a 336 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: pretty get what's going on down there? So I didn't. 337 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: I was just fine with the words. Uh so what 338 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: happens Josh is ah a baby? If it's a baby 339 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: in infant circumcision, then they strapped the baby down of 340 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: course arms and legs, which it just seems like an 341 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: awful thing to bed start when you read it. Um, 342 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: they give a either a topical anesthetic, uh you know, 343 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: rubbed around the area or injected around the base of 344 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: the penis to numb the area. Um. There are a 345 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: few different devices that the person performing the procedure can 346 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: choose from, and I know you know a little bit 347 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: about these. I do. Let's hear it. There's like three things. Well, 348 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: there's the Gomko clamp, the Mogan clamp, and the Plasta 349 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: bell device. Right, so I did. I didn't really look 350 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: into the Mogan clamp um because it just too wow. 351 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: But the Gomco clamp um has been around for a 352 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: while and it sounds like something you could see on 353 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: a late night TV head. You can actually buy them 354 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: on the internet for bucks. Yeah, search Gomco clamp it 355 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: comes up and do not do not buy one and 356 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: do this at home. That is in no way in endorsement, 357 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: and it just stop stop right now. Um there. The 358 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: Gomko clamp involves a bell with a an arm, an 359 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: appendage that comes off the tip of the bell. Put 360 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: that in, pull the um foreskin up around the bell. 361 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: So what you're doing is you're inserting this metal layer 362 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: between the glands and the foreskin. Like all these things, 363 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: you're separating the foreskin from the gland exactly. That's pretty 364 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: much the key to circumcision um. You pull it up around, 365 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: you slide it through this hole, has an arm attached 366 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: to the top of the bell holding everything taut, and 367 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: then you cut around it and remove the four skin. 368 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: The plastic bell um devices it's similar. It doesn't have 369 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: the arm and the clamp holding everything, but basically you're 370 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: just you're putting a bell in between the glands and 371 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: the four skin and um. Then you you basically tie 372 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: off the suture around the the four skin that's been 373 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: pulled up, and then you cut that and then eventually, 374 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: after like a few days, the bell falls off and 375 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: you're fine, supposedly well, And that's about the recovery period. 376 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Uh period if you're an infant is about three to 377 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: four days. Plan on having a grumpy little baby boy 378 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: for those next few days, and plan on keeping the 379 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: area really really clean and maybe you might even have 380 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: to bandage it, and just you got to make sure 381 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: that you keep it uh separate from diaper poopoo, because 382 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: you don't want a fresh surgery being around fecal matter. 383 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: Not not a good thing. No, it's you're you're looking 384 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: at a pretty hefty, little horrible infection there. And it 385 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: takes about thirty minutes. Yeah, if you're an adult, you 386 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: don't necessarily need to use any of these other bells 387 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: or whistles literally bells, um. But you can just pull 388 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: the for skin forward, make a couple of incisions, UM, 389 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: cut off the frenulum, stitch back. Basically, you're stitching this 390 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: hanging loose skin to the just to the corona, which 391 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: is the strip just below the gland um and ba 392 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: boom bada being no sex for a couple of weeks, 393 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: which no one should have to tell you that, but 394 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: we're telling you that. Yeah, that would be common sense 395 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: if you asked me, then it's done. So why are 396 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: people doing this, Chuck, I mean, think about that, especially 397 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: as an adult. Why why are people circumcising uh, both 398 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: there themselves and their infant sons? Why is it like 399 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: all the rage? So this is the argument four, and 400 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: we will cover the argument against before you get upset 401 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: by Mr Scofield. The reasons, some of the reasons, Josh 402 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: are obviously, like we said, you're raised in a religion 403 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: or culture where that's the thing you do, then you 404 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: would probably do that. Um. Some fathers think that their 405 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: son's penis should kind of be like theirs, and they're 406 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: a little bit fact. Um. Nine tenths of circumcised men 407 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: opt to have their sons circumcised, and about three quarters 408 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: of uncircumcised men opt to have their sons not circumcised. 409 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: Yeah about natural. Interesting, Uh, some parents want their sons 410 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: to just be like the rest of the little boys. 411 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: If and then if you live in the United States 412 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: and most boys are like that, They don't want you 413 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: to stand out in the locker room and potentially be 414 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: teased that kind of thing. Um, this one uncircumcised men 415 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: or twice as likely to contract HPV and pass that along. 416 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: It's what it's what of here? And apparently circumcision also 417 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: helps prevent or protect against Chlamydian syphilis, they say, and 418 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: this is from the Journal of American Medical Association. We 419 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: should say, we should the same. Same goes with a 420 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: study that found recently that UM areas that don't circumcise, 421 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: or where circumcision is uncommon um tend to have higher 422 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: prevalences of HIV. I don't know if those two are causal, 423 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: like HIV is more easily contracted because there's this maybe 424 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: the blood vessels are closer to the surface when the 425 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: foreskin is attached, yeah, um, or if it's just correlated, 426 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: like maybe they have maybe these areas have lesser healthcare 427 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: right right or less adequate healthcare well at any rate, 428 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: they put that number at six less likely. But it's 429 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: only it's not for male to male sex. It's only 430 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: female to male train mission of HIV is what it says. Go. 431 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: I know, uh, some people think it's cleaner but that's 432 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: completely unsupported from what I can tell medically. Right, that's 433 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: that's just a perception, if I'm not mistaken. And then 434 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: there are some who just think it's prettier, yeah, better looking, 435 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: sleeker fish. All right, Josh, that's the case for generally. 436 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk about people who are against this, like Mr Scofield. 437 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: What are their arguments. Well, I get the impression that 438 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who well, the people who 439 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: are against it are vehemently against it. One of the 440 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: biggest arguments is that it's um mutilation. Yeah, general mutilation. 441 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: It is genital mutilation. Female um circumcision, which we'll talk 442 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more about in a minute, is basically 443 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: considered now in the Western world, the developed world, female 444 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: genital mutilation, not female circumcision any longer. And the one 445 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: of the big points among anti circumcision people is that 446 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: this is the same thing with men. It's just for 447 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: some reason more accepted in the West than female circumcision is. Yeah, 448 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: but if you're against it, you probably think it's old 449 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: fashioned and unnecessary. Unnecessary is a big one. The American 450 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Academy of Pediatrics considered this in and said, you know, 451 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: we're not gonna endorse this. We're not gonna come out 452 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: against it. But we've looked at all of the information. 453 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: We see no medical reason to do this, and we're 454 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: not gonna endorse it. So that's that's a big one 455 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: that the the anti circumcision lobby sites. Yeah. When I 456 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: was when I read that that they didn't endorse it, 457 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: or they said that you shouldn't do it. This is 458 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: such a tender subject. That kind of got the impression 459 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: they were a little bit like, I ain't going there. 460 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: Why don't you just decide. We don't have a lot 461 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: of data either way, so we're not gonna say it's 462 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: I get the impression that it's a lot like the 463 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: natural birth movement. There's a lot of probably similar sentiment, 464 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of crossover actually between the two. Josh, 465 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: there are risks of scarring, their risks of infection. Yeah, 466 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: this is a big one right here. It can go wrong. Yeah, 467 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: and it does like you can have your penis lopped 468 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: off because of a bad circumcision. Yeah, that's a pretty 469 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: good reason not to do it. I don't have it 470 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: super common, but it's very uncommon. But when you're talking 471 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: about your your maybe your only male son. It can 472 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: only be a male son, but your only son. Do 473 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: you want to take that kind of risk? I don't 474 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: know yet. Well, yeah, sure, I don't know. Stop pressuring me. No, 475 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm not pressuring you. I was just I'm not asking you. 476 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm just asking theoretically. But I think that's probably the 477 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: sentiment among a lot of like first time parents, you know, 478 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: like should we do this? I haven't really thought about 479 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: it before, and like hold account. Now we have to 480 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: decide or do we um. Another another argument against is 481 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: that you take away the child's right to choose. Um. 482 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: There are there is a procedure called an epipasm which um, 483 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: there's actually a surgical procedure which is kind of a 484 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: skin graft. Um. Yeah, is not always desirable. Sometimes you 485 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: get a different color, different texture because this is someone 486 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: else's foreskin or else it's skin from elsewhere on your body. 487 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: That's I would say. And then there's also like a 488 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: non there's non surgical things you can do to right 489 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: chuck to to to create a new foreskin, to recreate it. Yes, Josh, 490 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: there are non surgical ways. And I have never heard 491 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: of this at all. I hadn't either until I read 492 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: this article. Um over time, and we're not recommending that 493 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: you try this at home, by the way, this is 494 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: this is something you really need to know a lot 495 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: about um over time. Though. You can apparently stretch your 496 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: foreskin using weights and straps and it will eventually stretch 497 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: to where it could cover your glands. That's what they say. 498 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: There's another method that has UH involves inflating little balloons 499 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: under your skin, under your penile skin prompt new skin 500 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: cell growth. I guess, to fill in the void, I guess, 501 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: and then when you deflate the balloons, you've got all 502 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: that extra skin right, and you go to So that's 503 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: an epipasum. So yeah, the point is um one of 504 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: the arguments against circumcisions that you take away a kid's 505 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: right to choose, and if the kid turns like fifty 506 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: and goes I really want to for skin, basically he 507 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of options available to him balloons 508 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: and weights and straps and skin graphs and skin graphs. Yeah, 509 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: so that's that's another reason. What are some more reasons, Chuckers, Well, 510 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: like we said, in the foreskin, there's a lot of 511 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: sensitive areas for sexual stimulation, and that once you lose 512 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: that it's gone. Yeah, so theoretically you're cutting down on 513 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: the man's pleasure centers. So I'm white sure, and he 514 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: wants to do that to your kid, puritan, I don't know. Uh, 515 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: they say, you know, like psychologists might say that, Um, 516 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: a child might remember this somehow, resulting in lingering psychological repercussions. 517 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: Its very Freudian sentence. Uh. Some people think it's better 518 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: looking to have the foreskin in prettier that way. Yeah, 519 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: I would like to conduct a poll. I don't know 520 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: how we could do this conceivably, but I would like to, 521 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: I know, not and not and not get in trouble right, Um, 522 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: but I am curious, like where, like which one is 523 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: considered more attractive? I have no idea. Um, so I'm 524 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very curious, you know, like is it like 525 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: do people think people who like a foreskin? I think 526 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: those people are weird or vice versa. Or I'm very curious. 527 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: This is all just I'm curious this. You've been even 528 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: fascinated by this whole thing, Huh? I have from paid zero. Uh. 529 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: And there are a couple more reasons some men subconsciously 530 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: might not feel complete. And then the big reason you're 531 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: born with it, so that might mean that you should 532 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: keep it on your body. Yeah, Like, if we didn't 533 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: need it, why would we have it? And it have 534 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: whether you whether you believe in creationism or evolution, there's that. 535 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Both of those kind of touch upon that. Yeah, we 536 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have it if we didn't need it, it didn't 537 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: serve some purpose. Did you already cover the language part? 538 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: I think you'd mentioned that right a little bit. If 539 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: you are talking to somebody who is in the anti 540 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: circumcision camp, you don't want to use the term uncircumcised 541 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: because it implies that there is something wrong, that there's 542 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: something missing, They something hasn't been done yet. That's not 543 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: the norm, right, and so they people in the anti 544 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: circumcision camp tend to prefer um terms like natural, uncut, 545 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: full length, intact, intact. Yeah, yeah, we would be remiss, Josh, 546 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: you did mention female genital mutilation. This is a big 547 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: problem around the world. Between a hundred and a hundred 548 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: and forty million women have been victims of this um 549 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: A lot of times there are I'm sorry all the time. 550 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: There's no medical reason for doing this, Like they will 551 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: remove the clitterest sometimes. Yeah, this actually, um was kind 552 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: of It came about in the West too. It's still 553 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: a huge problem in Africa apparently, UM. Two million girls 554 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: under the age of ten have undergone female genital mutilation. UM. 555 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: And that's just Africa alone. Um. But in the West 556 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: it was popular. I had no idea. But here in 557 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: the West, in the United States, until ninety seven, Blue 558 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: Cross covered its female They covered clitter ectomy, clitter clitter clittery, cliterodectomy, 559 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: that's awful. Cliterodectomy, which is the partial total removal of 560 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: the clitteress right UM. And this, this fad of circumcision 561 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: came about at about the same time in the nineteenth 562 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: century and for the same reasons as male circumcision, which 563 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: is yet another argument against male circumcision because we've come 564 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: to see female circumcision as barbaric, even though they were 565 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: both brought up for the same reasons, which was it's cleaner, 566 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: it's more hygienic, it's it's healthier. And also with girls, 567 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: they had the added bonus of it reduces reduces their 568 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: sexual pleasure from masturbation. Therefore it will it's much more 569 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: morally hygienic as well. This is one of the reasons 570 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: why it's become or come to be seen as barbaric 571 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: because it actually does reduce tremendously the sensitivity a woman 572 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: can experience in sex. Right, there's a lot of other 573 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: problems with it too. Um. There's a little procedure called 574 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: in fabulation that basically is you cut the inner outer 575 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: lay you so that it grows back to narrow or 576 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: close the vagina. And what's the idea here are they 577 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: Is it a moral thing where they're trying to prevent 578 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: their daughters from being tempted to have sex or having sex. Yes, 579 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: because to to get this reversed, you to have children, 580 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: to have sex, to conceive, to do all these things, 581 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: you basically have to have the procedure reversed. And then 582 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: in some cultures that promote this um after childbirth, after 583 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: the reproductive years, it's closed up again. So not only 584 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: are you undergoing it this first time, you're having a 585 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: reverse and then you're having it done again. So it 586 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: is a huge problem and it is viewed as barbaric 587 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: in the West, um, and the World Health Organization has 588 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 1: come out starting against this, and then I guess over 589 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: the ensuing decades really lobbied the rest of the u 590 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: N and and got much wider support. In February two 591 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: thousand eight, pretty much the entire un issued the statement 592 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: saying like this has to stop. This is really bad. 593 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: But it's still continues. It happens in the US, it 594 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: happens in um Great Britain, and a lot of the 595 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: minority African populations that immigrate here immigrate here. It's it's 596 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, well, thank god for the w h 597 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: O in. Groups like UNICEF and other human rights groups 598 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: are trying to get the word out on that too. Right, 599 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: But Chuck, we just arrived at a really kind of 600 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: a hinky place. Like everybody agrees this is barbaric. One 601 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: of the reasons why is because it serves absolutely no 602 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: medical reason whatsoever. No, there's no medical purpose to it. 603 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: It's all just basically chastity. Um, so we all agree 604 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: that that's barbaric. If there's really no medical reason for 605 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: male circumcision, isn't the same thing? Is it barbaric? Well? 606 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: People against it sure say it is, people like Schofield. 607 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to make a judgment either way 608 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: because I don't have a son at this point. But 609 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: maybe that day will come when I'm gonna have to 610 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: make that decision. Hopefully we put out at least some 611 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: facts and figures on both sides, some stats. Yeah, it's tricky. Well, 612 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about circumcision and you 613 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: want to see probably more illustrations of the male reproductive 614 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: organ uh than any other article on the site, including 615 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: cut here dots cut along the dotted line dots, you 616 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: can you can type circumcision into the search bar at 617 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com and that will bring all 618 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: that stuff up. It's an interesting article, right, yes, sir, uh, 619 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: since I said handy search bar while I said search 620 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: bar at least right, Yeah, it's time for a listener mail. Yes, Josh, 621 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: I thought this might be appropriate. You asked for stories 622 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: about people who had their fingers cut off, and what 623 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: podcast was at one of them? Yeah, one of the 624 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: podcasts one one of the things we did. And so 625 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: we got a bunch of stories of people who have 626 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: lost fingers, and I picked out three fairly short ones 627 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: to read. The one comes from Melanie fro Minnesota. She 628 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: did not lose a finger, but her husband's uncle did. 629 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: He was doing some woodworking in his garage, solid his thumb, 630 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: index finger and part of his middle finger clean off. 631 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: His wife rushed him to the hospital. They're able to 632 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: reattach the thumb, but not his index finger. They were 633 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: never able to find the rest of his ring finger, 634 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: and they suspect that the dog ate it. Now he 635 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: now has a prosthetic index finger, which he likes to 636 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: remove and toss to people just to freak them out. 637 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: He was a musician before the accident. He's still able 638 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: to play the piano with his faux finger, which is 639 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty cool. And he has a winter and summer version. 640 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: One his tan and one isn't no way way uh. 641 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: This next one is from Abbey from Hampden, Connecticut. Guys 642 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: who thought you might find this interesting? I am in 643 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: fact missing two fingers, but I still have five fingers 644 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: on each hand. Awesome, awesome. This one. The same is 645 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: true for my mother and her grandmother. We all have 646 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: a slight genetic disorder called polydactylism, which is when you 647 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: were born with extra pinkies. The extra fingers were all 648 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: cut off at birth because the bones in them were 649 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: not fully formed. So now we all have little bumps 650 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: on the sides of our hands that were once pinkies 651 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: that circumcision of fingers. It is. I kind of wish 652 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: I had kept the little extra fingers and that they 653 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: were fully functional, because I would use them to play 654 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: impossible pieces of music. I told my bio teacher about 655 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: Polly dactyalism in high school. She got very excited and 656 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: give me extra credit. She gave her extra credit for 657 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: missing those fingers. It's pretty cool. Or she gave her 658 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: extra credit for being born with two extra fingers, or 659 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: being brave enough to admit it in the classroom setting. 660 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: All right, And this last one is from James from Ohio, Guys. 661 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: I have a missing finger story you might find disturbing. 662 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: We're fascinating. In high school, my shop class teacher always 663 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: had these crazy stories about his work in the industry field. 664 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: In the industry field, and that's pretty wide field, it is. 665 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: And one day he had a story to tell us 666 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: about a man who was unfortunate enough to lose some fingers. Uh. 667 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: The story starts when my shop teacher worked at a 668 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: metal sheet shaping factory. I bet you there's a lot 669 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: of fingers in one of those places. Um, they make 670 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: impossible curves on metal that couldn't normally exist. Fellow worker 671 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: decided to pull an all nighter an attempt to work 672 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: machinery with coherency. Unfortunately, the fingers of the worker were 673 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: caught in the metal working machine, pinched clean off, not 674 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: cut pinched off. My teacher explained that it took about 675 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: a half an hour to find all the missing fingers, 676 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: keep them cool and a fridge until they were able 677 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: to reattach them. It's like the Machinist, uh Christian Man. 678 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: That movie was messed up. Yes, it was. So we 679 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: got a lot more stories and a lot were very 680 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: detailed and more gruesome. So we went with these because 681 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: it was short and a little lighter in nature. That's 682 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: very good. That's all I got. If you have an 683 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: email that has absolutely nothing to do with that, we 684 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: want to hear about it. You should wrap it up, 685 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: send it to us, spank it on the bottom, and 686 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: send it to stuff podcast at how stuff works dot 687 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: com for more on this and thousands of other topics. 688 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: Is it how stuff works dot com. To learn more 689 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: about the podcast, click on the podcast icon in the 690 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: upper right corner of our homepage.