1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and I love all things tech and 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: it's time for another classic episode of tech Stuff. This 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: episode originally published on December twelve, two thousand, twelve. Twelve, 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: twelve twelve. So what did we cover? Well, it's the 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Firefox story. Yep, the web browser known as Firefox. Now great, 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: this is not a beginning, middle, and end story because 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Firefox continued well after two thousand twelve. But I thought 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: you might like to hear about the history of the browser, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: So let's listen to this classic episode. Yeah. So, you know, 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: there's this guy Tim burns Lee works so its cern 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: like I feel like I've heard his name. Dude came 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: up with this neat way of displaying information using on 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: network connections, which would eventually blossom into the beautiful flower 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: we know as the World Wide Web. We probably don't 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: call it that so frequently anymore. If you if you 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: read like the stuff from the the early nineties Worldwide 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Web and Information super Highway, what that they seem to 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: be required in every single news story. Yeah, well we've 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: started a little loopy here, but yeah, it's it's clear, 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: and we haven't we we haven't mentioned it in quite 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: some time, but we have mentioned it on multiple occasions 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that the Internet is basically a medium of communication between computers. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: It's it's a network of networks. Uh. Your computer hooks 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: up to the Internet, and you can send information in 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: a number of different ways. A lot of them are 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: our pass a now or or less used than others. 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I mean people like Gopher or using transmission protocols like 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: Gopher and and waste. Um. You know, people just don't 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: do that very much. Using that is less used than 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: it used to be. UM has certainly used quite a bit, 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: and still quite a few people are using fault transfer 35 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: protocol sure, sure, Um the different instant messenger protocols. They 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: none of these are the Worldwide Web. The world Wide 37 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Web basically puts a very public pretty face on it, 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in some cases less than pretty, especially if you don't 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: like crawling graphics and and MIDI files. You know, this 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: is the old you know, this is the the user 41 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: friendly version of what the Internet has to offer. For 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: a lot of people, they thought the Worldwide web and 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: internet were synonymous. Not really the case, but we wanted 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: to talk about a particular browser and a company organization 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: that that helped bring this browser about and how it 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of became a power player. Actually it was the 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: power Player for a while, or an ancestor of it was, 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: and then it faded to obscurity, rose from the ashes. 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: But we'll get into that. So we're talking about Firefox 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: in general. But to to understand Firefox and the story 51 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: behind Firefox, you actually have to go back quite a 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: way as well, before there was ever any sort of 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: Firefox web browser. So all the way back to nine 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: two and in ninety two, we're talking the earliest days 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: of the web at this point, and it seems kind 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: of crazy. I mean, we're recording this in so that's 57 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, just twenty years. But um, a fellow by 58 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: the name of Mark and Reeson. Uh, basically this was 59 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: this was a college project. Yeah, he and Eric Bina 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: or or Bina, I'm not sure how to say his 61 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: last name. Yeah, they began to work on a browser 62 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: for x Windows on Unix computers and this was something 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: that they decided to start working on this after being 64 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: shown the work that Tim burners Lee had been doing 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: over at CERN and they said, wow, you know, we 66 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: should start creating a browser that could access this sort 67 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: of stuff. And so they worked together and they created 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: something they called Mosaic, which was one of the earliest 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: web browsers. Yeah, and it really it. It sort of 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: helped popularize the World Wide Web for a lot of people. Um, 71 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. One it was it was 72 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: not it was reasonably nice to look at, it was 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: easy to use, UM. But it was also free because 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: it was well, again a college project, so it was 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: one of those things that was just offered. Now you 76 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of had to know where to find it. UM. 77 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 1: You kind of had to know. I have an idea 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: what the world Wide Web was, and at that point, 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: it was uh, sort of a hobbyist thing. UM. You know, 80 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: I I used when I used bit net back in 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: in the day's. Immediately proceeding that, I was using basically email, um, 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: using chat. But I really had no idea what the 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: web was. And I started doing some reading around around 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: that time and said, no, this this looks kind of interesting. UM. 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't have a web client for 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: Miamiga at the time. UM. But I started using Max 87 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: around that time and found out that there was a 88 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: version of Mosaic available for which I actually purchased with 89 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: a book that told you how to use the darned 90 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: thing and it came on a floppy disk, and so 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: I loaded Mosaic from from from that and got started 92 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: on the web. Yeah, some interesting connections we should we 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: should talk about. I mean, you're going to find out 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of connections to various web 95 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: browsers out there just coming from Mosaic. One of the 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: earliest and to me, really interesting ones is that in 97 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: n company called Spyglass Incorporated licensed the Mosaic browser. Yeah, 98 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: and they began to develop its own code base based 99 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: on Mosaic, and then they licensed that code base to 100 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: Microsoft and that would become part of what would eventually 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: be Internet Explorer. So Mosaic and Internet Explorers share some 102 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: some code. You go, way, way, way, way way back, um, 103 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: and it's uh, you know, that's to me, that's a 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: very interesting thing, especially when you look later on down 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: the timeline of the evolution of browsers out there on 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the market. Yeah. Yeah, Now, of course that that's less 107 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: of a direct lineage than what uh and Reason and 108 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: company would do when they decided to go ahead and 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: make some money off of this thing, which is the 110 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: founding of the company Netscape. Yeah. First it was called 111 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: Mosaic Communications, but they renamed it before too long to 112 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Netscape Communications. Uh. They being Mark and Reason and Jim Clark. Uh. 113 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: This was same year that spy Glass incorporated as licensing 114 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Mosaic itself. Uh. And they come up with the the 115 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: browser Netscape, and this was a a pay for browser. 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: You would buy the browser. I bought a copy off 117 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: the shelf, shrink wrapped copy of Netscape too, and it 118 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: became the commune Gator. It actually became quite popular. And 119 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: there are gator, I'm sorry navigator. There are a lot 120 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: of a lot of Do you want to go back? No? No, 121 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: well okay, we'll just keep going then. All right, Hey, 122 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: guess what, guys, sometimes we go back anyway. And that 123 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: escape was that is very rare. Though. I remember I 124 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: remember the uh, the little window and the and the 125 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: right upper right part of the screen, which you know, 126 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: if you've used the web for a while, you remember 127 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: that the little thing that would tell you that it's 128 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: actually working. Um, it wasn't the you know thing from 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: left to right in the navigation bar. Yeah, the address bar, 130 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, back in Netscape navigator days, they 131 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: had an old ship's wheel that was so nice. We 132 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: call that the helm. Anyway, the the the browser became popular, 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: it kind of well. It introduced and a concept called extensions, 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: which most people are familiar with these days. Extensions extend 135 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: the features of a browser by I'll let you and 136 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: saw some new code, that is it some added functionality. 137 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: This gave websites, uh, or people who were developing websites 138 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the ability to include stuff that wasn't natively supported by 139 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: HTML because the browsers were able to interpret the new 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: code and and render it properly on the screen so 141 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: that you're getting the experience that the people wanted you 142 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: to have, the people being the web developers and uh. 143 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Around that time, in the early nineties, Netscape was doing 144 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: really well. In fact, it might have had a market 145 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: share as high as eight percent of the browser market 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: at that time, and that's pretty remarkable considering that it 147 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: was a pay for browser. Yeah, at that point, Netscape 148 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: was was writing very high in the market. Um, you know, 149 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: of course, they were competing with online service providers like 150 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: a O L and compy serve UM. But the web 151 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: basically was was netscapes to lose and boy, yeah at 152 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: the beginning of the end we escape. Now, see when 153 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about the possibility of paying you for your 154 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: web browser versus a competitor that comes along and offers 155 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: one for free, UM, that's freely downloadable and has the 156 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: muscle of somebody really big behind it, like I don't know, Microsoft, 157 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: like Steve Balmer, it's a big guy. Yeah. Yeah. Microsoft 158 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 1: launches Windows and it has the web browser that's included 159 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: with Windows is Internet Explorer. Now. Remember Internet Explorer was 160 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: built partially upon that code base from Mosaic, and it was, 161 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: as Chris was saying, free of charge. You could download 162 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: it freely and use it yourself, so you didn't have 163 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: to buy a copy of a browser. And it even 164 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: came with Windows, so you didn't even have to bother 165 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: with it, right if you If you bought a new computer, 166 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: then you had Internet Explorer built right in there. In fact, 167 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: that ended up causing some problems. Uh, there were some 168 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: issues about Internet Explorer being tied so tightly into the 169 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: UM the operating system experience on Windows that it brought 170 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: up some antitrust issues for Microsoft down line. But that's 171 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: really more of a Internet Explorer story, not so much 172 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: of Firefox story. So right, let's go back over to 173 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: what's going on. It took some time, but Internet Explorer, 174 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: even though it was free, I mean, it did not 175 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: immediately take over like it wasn't. It wasn't an overnight 176 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: now turnaround. It took about four generations of Internet Explorer 177 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: for it to catch up to Netscape. Meanwhile, Netscape branched out. 178 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: They did more than just used Netscape Navigator. They also 179 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: wanted to create an entire suite of tools that you 180 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: would use for email and for um using that in 181 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: some of the other stuff. And they built a larger 182 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: suite so you you had an option. You could go 183 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: with Netscape Navigator if you just wanted to use the web, 184 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: or a suite that they called Escape Communicator, which had 185 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the greater functionality. Unfortunately, in doing this, they gradually and 186 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,359 Speaker 1: this is common, uh, you know, it's happened into Microsoft 187 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: and many many others. Uh, the code gradually became more bloated, 188 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: more resource intensive, if you will, um, and made load 189 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: time slower, made things more difficult. So now you have 190 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: a you know, a heavyweight Internet heavyweight and Netscape going 191 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: against uh, the the net newbie Microsoft. But Microsoft has 192 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: the leaner, more integrated browser in this case and again free. 193 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, by that fourth generation of Internet Explorer, we 194 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: started to see things switch around to the point where 195 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: it was it was clear that Internet Explorer was going 196 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: to run away with it. So in n uh Netscape 197 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: Communications made a big decision, and yes, they decided that 198 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: they would offer Netscape, the Netscape browser for free. Yes, 199 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: and that they would freely offer up the the the 200 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: source code so that it would become an open source project. 201 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: So this, in other words, you could be a developer 202 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: and go in and you could tweak Netscape and have 203 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: your own version of Netscape and under the right you know, 204 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: you had to follow certain rules, but you could do that. 205 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: The community very quickly became huge and there was a 206 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: new name for this project. It was called the Mozilla project. Yes, 207 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: now I understand that the the name for Mozilla came 208 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: from it's sort of a fudged portmanteau, which is a 209 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: combination of words for mosaic killer or mosaic killer. Um. 210 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: Of course that took on the form of dinosaur because 211 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: it makes people. The name Mozilla makes people think of 212 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: god Zilla. Um, so they of course didn't want to 213 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure copyright infringement. So Mozilla's dinosaur monster, lizard giant 214 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: thing is that red instead of green and really bears 215 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: no resemblance to uh, to Godzilla, although the it's more 216 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: like a toyrnosaurus or maybe of a lesser raptor. Yes, 217 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: now there and there have also been multiple incarnations of 218 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the design for the critter. But yeah, so it looks 219 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: nothing like a Firefox into that right, the most little 220 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: project launches, but it would not be until two thousand 221 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: two before they released Mozilla one point oh. And this 222 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: was a browser that included email client functionality among other features. 223 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: But at that point Internet Explorer was dominant in the market. 224 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: It had a market share. So we're talking about a 225 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: time where you know, we went from ninety four or 226 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: so where uh that Escape had about eight percent market 227 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: share right to two thousand two where I e now 228 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: has of the market share. So this is a good 229 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: thing to point out. Things change, really, Yeah, market share 230 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: can change dramatically from one from one decade to the next, 231 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: or even in just the span of a few years. 232 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: The reason why that's important to remember is that we 233 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: always talk about market share as if it's the most 234 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: important thing in the world in some cases, like you know, 235 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: talk about and smartphone adoption or whatever. Um. But it's 236 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: true that these things can change dramatically, and someone who's 237 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: on top and you would think, oh, this guy is 238 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: going to dominate the market forever, could very easily become 239 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: and also ran in just a few years. Chris and 240 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: I will have more to say about Firefox in just 241 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: a moment, but first, let's take a quick break. People 242 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: talk about the villain the blank here killer, and you know, 243 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: those long term listeners will remember that I brought this 244 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: up before. It drives me crazy when people talk about 245 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the fill in the blank killer because in just a 246 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: few years, they'll be talking about whatever that was killer. 247 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: And and in some cases they don't kill so much 248 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: as carve out a niche market and uh and go 249 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: for it. I mean, um, you know, in this case, uh, 250 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Internet Explorer would have been the Netscape killer, and in 251 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: some cases they did. Um, but Mozilla would come back 252 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: and carve out its own space. And then Chrome came 253 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: along years later, and it is you know, that's it's 254 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: sort of what's going on right now? At the time, 255 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Save as it Ever was you Save as it Ever was, so, uh, well, 256 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: go ahead, And I was just gonna say, some community 257 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: members of Mozilla, what's interesting is you've got the Mozilla project, 258 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: You've got the Mozilla Browser. You still have people in 259 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: the community who don't necessarily think that the way that 260 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: the Mozilla browsers developing is the right way to go. 261 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of having an open source community 262 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: is that you don't you know, there's not necessarily just 263 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: one path that you can take. You can have multiple 264 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: paths to try and create the best browser experience possible. 265 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Some of those community members decided that there was there 266 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: were some issues they had with Mozilla. One of them 267 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: was that they felt that it was suffering from feature creep, 268 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: which is the same thing we were talking about with Creep. Yeah, 269 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: he turns into like Dracula and then Mummy and then 270 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: the creature for the Black Lagoon. And I've been watching 271 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: too much Supernatural relately watched in an episode last night 272 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that was about that. Anyway, No, the idea that that 273 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: they were again Mozilla was starting to become in their 274 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: mind bloated the way Netscape head and they did not 275 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: really think that that was something they should pursue. They 276 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: thought that perhaps they should take the code and make 277 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: something else out of it. So this group created a 278 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: browser that they called Phoenix, as in rising from the ashes. 279 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Now they were a legendary that Yeah, yes, the one 280 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: that was featured heavily in the documentary series Harry Potter. 281 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: Um the uh the but it is it fitting? It 282 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: is a fitting image for this browser, which at one 283 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: time had been Netscape. So Phoenix rises from the ashes, 284 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: but also tends to fall again because it turns out 285 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: someone else has the name Phoenix, so they can't really 286 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: use it. So they renamed it Firebird. That caused a 287 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: problem because there was another organization that used the word 288 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: firebird about distributed software, so that was an issue. They 289 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: ended up thinking, okay, okay, okay, we'll name it something else. 290 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: We'll call it a firefox. Yeah. No, firefox has the 291 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: benefit here of going with the fire part at the beginning. Um, 292 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: but adds another very cool animal image in there. Now, 293 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: a firefox isn't actually a fox. It is, in fact 294 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: a red panda, which, in my opinion or really neat animals. 295 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: But you know, um and actually recently, UM, the Mozilla 296 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: Foundation has sponsored uh the well being of a couple 297 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: of red pandas in the Knoxville, Tennessee Zoo. Uh. They 298 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: even had a webcam up which had the little critters 299 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: running around and playing and sleeping and sleeping which they 300 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: always seemed to be doing right as it tuned in. 301 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh look there's and settling down for a nap um 302 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: In two thousand three was when Mozilla created the Mozilla Foundation, 303 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: which is an independent, nonprofit organization. It's mainly meant to 304 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: manage the daily operations of the Mozilla project. Yeah. Well, 305 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: and we didn't really touch on this, but the remnants 306 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: of Netscape were purchased by America Online, so a O 307 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: L bought Netscape. But the Mozilla Foundation has the ability 308 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: to to go off and do their own thing here, 309 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: so they have. Yeah. Yeah. So two thousand four was 310 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: when Firefox one point oh was released, and uh, it 311 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: became a very popular browser very quickly. In less than 312 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: a year, they had over one hundred million downloads. So 313 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Firefox was quickly kind of viewed as the the alternative 314 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: to Internet Explorer. I can hear all the opera fans 315 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: out there screaming at me. But you know that's the 316 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: popular The popular view was that Firefox. If you didn't 317 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: want to use Internet Explore, you should use Firefox. Yeah. Now, 318 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: I had actually been using Opera up until that point, 319 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: um as. I specifically remember a friend of mine going, hey, 320 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, I know you like Opera, but you really 321 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: should try this Firefox out. And I was kind of 322 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: skeptical because I was one of the people who was 323 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: cranky at Netscape for getting so darn bloated. I tried 324 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: Netscape Communicator for a long time and it just drove 325 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: me crazy. And I didn't like Internet Explorer for the 326 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Mac very much. So yeah, once, once I tried it, 327 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: I got hooked. Give you guys some reference two thousand four. 328 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: That's around the same time that companies like my Space 329 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: and Facebook are starting to to make a name for themselves. 330 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: Of course, at that point, Facebook is strictly a college 331 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: only experience, but yeah, that's that gives you an idea 332 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: of what's going on around that time. It would be 333 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: two years before version two point oh of Firefox came 334 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: out that they would update. They made lots of frequent 335 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: updates to the Firefox browser, but they were all very 336 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: incremental without major changes to the code. Point releases, you 337 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: can't say. So it wasn't until you know, it's two 338 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: years after a debut before two point I came out, 339 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: and it was another two years when version three point 340 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: oh came out. So it was two thousand eight. Uh. 341 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: The reason why I'm bringing this up is it will 342 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: be interesting when we get to talk about what version 343 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: is currently how in the wild right now as of 344 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: the recording of this podcast. But but yeah, two thousand 345 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: eight was when version three point I was released and 346 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: Firefox hit of the market share. Now, UM, I'd like 347 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: to bring this up because the Mozilla Foundation does a 348 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: lot more than just uh than us in Firefox and 349 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: pandas red pandas they're so cute um uh. They also 350 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: had split off some of the other code that was 351 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: part of Communicator. For example, Thunderbird, which is their email client. 352 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: UM is UH is sort of the the version that 353 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: that used to be the mail client. And there there 354 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: was a unified UM basically the derivative of Communicator itself, 355 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: the suite, which was called Sea Monkey UM and UH. 356 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: They released um early versions of that. Thunderbird one point 357 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: oh came out on December seven, two thousand four and 358 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: um uh, Sea Monkey one point oh came out on 359 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: January two thousand and six. Now, both of these are 360 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: probably not as in as much in the public eye, 361 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: Thunderbird more so, but Sea Monkey certainly not as much 362 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 1: as as either one of those two. Um, but they 363 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: still do work on those projects and over time. I 364 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that we mentioned them. But overtime, 365 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: Mozilla has brought Thunderbird up to the same basically the 366 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: same version system that firefoxes on. We have a little 367 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: bit more to say about Firefox, but before we get there, 368 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna take another quick break to thank our sponsor. Well, 369 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, we have Firefox version fourth point oh released. 370 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: I remember that was a big deal. It was the 371 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: one that that came out. And then, um so between 372 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven and today, this being the end 373 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: of November two thousand twelve, when we record this, um 374 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: they got busy. So and this is Google's fault, seeing 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: every couple of years we're seeing a new version of Firefox, 376 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: a new a new version number like one to two, 377 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: two to three, three to four. So you would expect 378 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: maybe the next you know, version five point oh of 379 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: Firefox probably come out in two thousand and thirteen or so. 380 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: Not the case. The Firefox operating are of non operating 381 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: system of browser. We'll get to the operating system in 382 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: a second. Is currently at version seventeen as of the 383 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: recording of this podcast. So between two thousand and eleven 384 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: and November two twelve, we went from version four all 385 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: the way up to seventeen. And actually versions eighteen and 386 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: nineteen are both in alpha testing right now. That is correct, 387 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: and if you're interested, you can download those versions, even 388 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: a nightly built if you want. Your mileage may vary, yeah, 389 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: day by day, these browsers are changing, and some of 390 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: them may not be what we like to call stable, 391 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: but it just shows shows the massive amounts of change 392 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: that have come out over the last year. Now, now 393 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: what influenced that? It was Google with the Chrome browser 394 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: which came out and again, um, Google has a lot 395 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: of resources that it can uh that it can give 396 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: to the Google Chrome project, which itself is a derivative 397 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: of Chromium. Um. But Google Chrome came out and started 398 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: updating very very quickly, and the folks at the Mozilla 399 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: Foundation realized that in terms of new features being added. 400 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: Chrome was out doing Mozilla quite rapidly, so they decided 401 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: to put themselves on a on a rapid release cycle, 402 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to which frustrated a lot of people because Firefox, more 403 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: so than Chrome, has been the standard by which companies operate, 404 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: uh Internet Explorer or Firefox, um, you know, not Safari, 405 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: not not Opera, not not Chrome. And um, so they've 406 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: they've been on not as not on a scale that's 407 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: not as fast as Chrome, but they did update, uh 408 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: start making updates more quickly and uh much more quickly 409 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: than they used to be. And now they're on a 410 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: sort of a cycle where they're releasing a couple maybe 411 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: three updates a year. It's ut I think, yeah, to 412 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: go from four to seventeen, have thirteen major releases um 413 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: within the span of like a year and a half. 414 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Really the releases seemed to be on a tight on 415 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: on a more level scheduled now than they had been. 416 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: They're playing catch up for quite some time. In October five, 417 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, they released the Firefox build that that 418 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: can be used in the Windows eight user interface. That's 419 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: that tiled interface that was formerly called Metro UM. So 420 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: that that came out towards the end of two thousand twelve. Also, 421 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: they they're working on a smartphone i'll bringing system. Yes, 422 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of an interesting thing that to build a 423 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: an OS for phones to really get into that market. 424 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, where are you talking about? A market that's 425 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: mainly being fought by Google and Apple, with Windows trying 426 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: to make uh name for itself as well at that 427 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: same time, and then other players like BlackBerry are trying 428 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: to you know, regroup, and some like Symbian are almost gone. 429 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah now, And and it's interesting too because uh, 430 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: like what Google is doing with its operating system, the 431 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: chromos UM Firefox OS is also leaning heavily on Web 432 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: standards for its for its programming. So we're talking about 433 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: HTML five, the the newly proposed but not yet finalized 434 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: version of the Hypertext markup language, and a lot of 435 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: the Mozilla specific API s Application programming interfaces UM. Basically, 436 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: these are are plug in play pieces of code that 437 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: people can use to make them compatible intercompatible. UM. Mozilla 438 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: is basically saying, hey, look, we're open source, we're free, 439 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: and you know, we want to see if we can 440 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: make inroads on people's smartphones and and people can use 441 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: an fire Box OS simulator right now where you can 442 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: actually give it a try. Actually. Uh, the name for 443 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: the simulator is R two D two B two G 444 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: B two G. By the way, it means boot to 445 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: ge Go, yes, which was the original name, Gecko being 446 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: the web interface that that web engine that Firefox is 447 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: built on. But yeah, they they are a primarily web 448 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: centric operating Where does R two D two come from? 449 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea, Probably just something 450 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: they made up. It's weird because I would think those 451 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: were not the droids I was looking for. Entirely possible anyway. Yeah, 452 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: so that that brings us up to date with what's 453 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: going off with Firefox. Uh, it's a it's you know, 454 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: I've used Firefox quite a bit in the past. Um, 455 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: and it was for a very long time. It was 456 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: my browser of choice. It's still my browser of choice 457 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: minus Chrome. 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