WEBVTT - Draft Show: That's All Folks 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:20.040 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.799 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.680 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:34.920 Dallas Cowboys liked lamb who didn't know your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.040 It is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show here 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.520 from the Star in Frisco in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.239 It's the final episode of the twenty twenty one at 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.000 draft season, and we are glad you're with us here 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.640 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com st streaming coast to coast 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.960 and around the world. We've got Bucky Brooks, We've got 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.760 Brian brought us in the great Kevin kat Turner und 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.080 Kyle Yeoman's with you for one final time here on 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.800 the Draft Show. And Brian, we got to talk with 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.040 you onto on Tuesday. We did all the sappy goodbyes 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.520 and everything, and then we turn around and Jeff's not 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.680 able to make it, Dane's not able to make it, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.440 and you're able to come again. I'm excited to get 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.880 another hour with you, but let's start with Bucky Brooks, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.720 because somebody's pretty happy the Cowboys got a linebacker. And 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.160 he hasn't had a chance to talk about it just yet, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.760 as I see the smile down in that bottom right 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.880 hand corner. Bucky, what were your overall thoughts of the 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:38.200 NFL draft? Well, I think I think in the Cowboys case, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.240 I think the Cowboys got the best defending on the board. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.280 Whenever we get Michael Parsons. I know there's a lot 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.039 of conversation about j. C. Horn and passer ten, and 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.840 you know, we kind of mocked those guys there for 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.000 the longest time. But I think when you look at 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.120 the value over the long call, Michael Parsons is going 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.480 to be a more impactful player than the corners would 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.760 have been, particularly in this defense. And when you hear 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:04.600 Dan Quinn talk about three four looking defense that's a 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.880 hybrid and pick kind of moving the pieces around the chessboard. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.919 Michael Parsons gives him the opportunity to do a bunch 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.400 of different things. And so I'm excited about it, but 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.280 I'm more excited about the fact that they doubled down 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.800 and got your brill Cox to come back. For so 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.040 long we talked about the lack of speed and athleticism 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.160 at the second level, particularly as it relates to Jayalen 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.880 Smith being able to play these high end offenses. You 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.720 need to have speed on the field. They are a 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.360 much faster and explosive and more athletic defense, and I 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.239 think when you put those elements on the field, that's 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.560 when the turno was beginning to happen. Katsie, what do 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:42.560 you do you think about it? No, I couldn't agree 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.760 more with Bucky and the fact that they were able 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.320 to squeeze out another, you know, day two pick out 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.040 of it. It makes it a little bit more sweeter. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.880 And the bottom line is I think the world's a 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.640 little crazy when it comes to communication sometimes. And I 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.799 know that being a fan also means being a fanatic, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.960 and the definition of that is a little sometimes too. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.560 Here's the bottom line, the bottom line, and we talked 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.680 about this for months. There were about thirteen really really 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:12.399 good players worthy going in the top thirteen. And yes, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.320 that is a shot at Matt Jones, I'll say it. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.480 But there were thirteen guys who were worthy of going 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.079 top thirteen, and they were going to get one of 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.280 those guys unless they traded back to twenty with the 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.440 Bears or something like that. So they got that guy 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.839 just because one of us might have said I would 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.280 have taken Slater over Parsons. It might have been me, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.680 it might have been someone else. Just because you might 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.200 do that doesn't matter. They were going to get And 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.160 we talked about this with Bucky a few weeks ago 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.160 about being stingy with your first round grades, making sure 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.160 if there you put a first round grade on them. Now, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.960 we're not just allowing people to walk in and watch 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.440 their tape and just because they do a few things 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.920 right they get a first round grade. Being stingy, there 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.440 was a cutoff line, and Michael Parson was definitely a 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.119 clear first round grade. And when you're picking up there, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.040 you get a good player. There will be multiple times 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.640 this year where we are talking about a Cowboy game 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.920 when it's over and we go, man, I don't know 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.560 what that game would have been like if we didn't 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.520 have Michael Parsons. He will be your best defensive player 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.880 multiple times this season. And I think that's what kind 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.400 of gets lost in the sauce when you're doing the 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.800 draft and talking about the could have, should haves and 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.040 things like that. I admit I would have taken Slater 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.000 over Parsons, and then you know just looking at the 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.040 depth of other positions kind of attacked the draft from there. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.560 But I'm happy with what they got with their first 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:42.560 two picks. I really am Ryan, you know, after listening 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.880 to dan Quinn talk post drafted, and I'm going to 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.720 admit that I had some violence in my voice during 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.359 the during the draft about some of the way that 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.400 these picks came off, and you know, I was like, Okay, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.320 I don't see this fit. I don't see this fit, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.640 and I was kind of wondering what direction are they 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:07.239 going in here? And but to me, once you listen 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.560 to dan Quinn talk about where he wanted to go 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.160 and where he envisioned these players and where he envisions 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.440 his defense being, it does make a lot of sense. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:23.480 I'll see another encouraging thing just to humble Bragg. Yesterday 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.719 we got to talk to Will McClay on our station 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.680 on one oh five three, and the thing that Will 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.680 was talking about, He's like, listen, dan Quinn and I 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.159 went on the road together. And that made me feel 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.039 good in a way of it. Okay, it's just not 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.760 dan Quinn going out there and hitting all these schools 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.080 and I'm gonna do this. So I'm gonna run rough 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.560 shot over the scouting staff. Now, him and Will McClay 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.480 were went out there, and to Will's credit, he learned 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.920 what dan quinn was looking for in these players, and 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.279 I think that was to me. Now I have a 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.080 better understanding of why they took the players they did. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.320 And you know the thing with the Parsons pick, I'm 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.320 with kat I love Slater. I thought that would have 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.039 been an outstanding pick there. But again, listening to where 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.400 they were or where they were trying to get to 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.520 makes a whole lot of sense by the way they 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.800 draft that they had. Brian, I'm glad you brought that up. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.960 Go for it, Bucky. Now I think I may be 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.560 going where you're going provac Cow, because I think one 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.839 thing that is underlooked in the process is fit in 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:37.440 scheme when we're evaluating prospects, being able to understand clearly 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.400 how this prospect fits and the desired scheme of the coordinator. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.840 And the fact that Will McClay and Dan quinn were 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.479 on the road together having those conversations not only at workouts, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.320 but you would like to think away from workouts, where 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.719 they're really trying to get into each other's head to 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.000 know exactly what you want. I think you now have 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.080 a better opportunity of acquiring players that fit the vision 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.520 of what Dan Quinn once And I think the Michael 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.520 Parsons pick is interesting because there are a few different things, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.240 Like people have made the point when I talk to 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.720 people in Seattle, like, hey, if you go back and 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.120 look at Bobby Wagner Utah State, Bobby Wagner played sam 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.880 linebacker before they moved him to mic linebacker with the 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.600 Seattle Seahawks. And I do wonder for Michael Parsons. You 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.200 have Jaylen Smith and Lvee there, so maybe Michael Parsons 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.280 doesn't play inside. Maybe he plays outside on the edges 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.800 the first year or so, and they try and maximize 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.480 his value as a rusher and a blitzer in a 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.600 unique fashion before maybe he kicks inside down the line. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.400 I just think there's a lot of versatility that he 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.000 brings and maybe that was kind of the driving force 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.240 behind the pick. And Brian, that was one of the 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.040 things in your conversation with Willa McClay. By the way, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.600 a fantastic interview with you guys on the fan the 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.480 other day, but just in the past here in Dallas, 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.440 I mean The disconnect between the coaches and the scouts 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.280 have been what scares everyone around the draft process. I mean, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.400 that's been the biggest thing for me, is looking at 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.760 it and saying, if there's a disconnect between the scouts 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.240 and the coaches, you're not necessarily going to ever have 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.200 the right fit. And the fact that you did hear 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.080 Will McClay talk about how Dan quinn is traveling hitting 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.400 the road with Will McClay and these scouts and these 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.280 coaches are in secession with each other. That makes me 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.240 feel a lot better about this because if this pick 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.080 was made three years ago or four years ago with 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.000 either Michael Parsons or even the Nashan Wright pick that 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.680 was at ninety nine, I wouldn't feel as good about 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.960 it because I feel like this staff and I feel 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.840 like this structure with this front office is a lot 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.280 more in sync than it has been in previous years. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.679 And I could be wrong, but that's what it seems 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.440 like from the outside. Brian, yeah, what the situation is, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.400 and Bucky has experienced this firsthand, and I would give 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.640 anything in the world for Kat to be a part 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.960 of a team and get to feel the feelings that 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.000 we've had during draft processes like Bucky and I have had. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.719 I had a scout tell me that there's been times 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.240 where when the scouts get their way, that's not always 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.040 a good thing. And he said it in a way 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.439 of like, listen, you could bring players in and if 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.720 these coaches don't want to coach them or they don't 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.280 like them, they're not going to play them. They're not 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.520 going to coach them, they're not going to do anything 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.760 to help the player develop. And he goes, Now, where 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.960 you're at, you're scouts, You're happy, Yeah, we got our guys, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.480 but then all of a sudden, you got a coaching staff. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.160 You're like, man, they're putting us with players that can't play. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:36.079 So yeah, I think that there's sometimes where you need 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.480 to have that coach influence. You need the coaches to 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.360 have us say do you want them to have all 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.040 to say no. But you talked about marriage between the two, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.760 and I think it was very very important because again 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.200 talking to scouts there, dan Quinn came in with a 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.840 clear idea what he wanted to do and he was 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.720 able to convey that message to the scouts. And that's 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.200 how you have an understanding, and that's how you you 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.760 come to an agreement of what type of player you 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.440 really need, and it's no change we've seen, you know, 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.320 coaches get there, uh, you know, fair share of picks 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.520 over the years, and it's worked out sometimes and sometimes 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.040 it hasn't, and scouts have missed that happens. It kind 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.320 of reminds me like the Dynamic and Saturday Dot Live. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.280 Like if a host comes in and he's kind of 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.600 just a jerk to everyone and he's too good for everyone. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.240 The writers are like, yeah, I don't want to write 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.960 for this guy, and the cast is like, I don't 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.680 want to write for this guy. It's kind of that 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.959 type of thing maybe, But you know when I when 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.760 I look at what they did as a whole, I 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.880 can't help but feel like there's pretty even trade off, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.600 especially in a year where things are a little bit differently, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.439 Like there wasn't really a point in the draft. Well, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.800 there was maybe one point in the draft where I went, Okay, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.679 that's a clear, that's a clear. Maybe maybe a Dan 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.440 Quinn pick clearly, and maybe maybe more A lot of 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.760 them were, like there were years where we would go 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.040 that as a Rod Marinelli pick, he got the pick, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.560 and you kind of know that because he's sitting in 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.920 the Jones's lap while they're about to call the player, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.800 like he's in the room ready to go, and you 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.200 can like see it happening. Um, you know, if you 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.400 want to do something and make a big change, though, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.720 and I don't think it's like a huge change. I mean, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.040 last year's defense was embarrassing and they would be the 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.200 first to tell you that. But what they're doing, they're 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.160 not reinventing the will with with this scheme. And I 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.560 think they had a plan and I think they executed 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.160 their plan throughout the three days of the draft. And 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:24.720 that's what I kind of look at more than anything, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.080 is like, what did we get done? We got done 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.920 what we wanted to get done, And it doesn't matter 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.960 what you know, Dave Brugler thinks of it, and it 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.280 doesn't matter what Dave Hellman thinks about it, Like that 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.960 doesn't matter. We executed our plan. And as long as 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.520 you're doing that and like sticking to your board, I 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.160 tend to not have a problem with one of the 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.240 team does because you truly don't know how it works 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.319 out until you know twenty twenty five. You know, one 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.360 of the things you know, when I think of Bucky 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.120 No one of the things when you talk about like 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.880 our guys, because there was a lot of um outrage 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.600 or criticism about like the day two picks now shone 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.760 right in particular, and there's a lot of conversation about, hey, 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.720 everything is about length and those things why it's online 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.319 so important to the defense. I think it's important to 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.920 let everyone know when you're a dan Quinn defense and 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.760 you're a defense that plays zone, the reason why you 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:20.160 want length is because long players make it tighter windows 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.760 and so they're playing and reading the eyes of the quarterback. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.760 Like when you have these long athletes, the windows become 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.160 smaller because they're playing vision on the quarterback. They're they're 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.480 they're reacting, and it's intimidating to a quarterback to see 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.920 all of that length on the field. It's almost like 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.319 a team of six seven guys playing gay two three zone, 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.680 Like it's just so long. The zone expands and it 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.120 really makes it pushes you way out beyond the three 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.600 point line. And so I think that is really important 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.560 to let everyone know the reason why lengths are important, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.160 because this is really a zone defense and you want 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.120 to make the windows tighter. Yeah, I think Bucky. Bucky's 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.280 dead on. I mean, I had a scout explain that 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.920 to me, and they clearly they had a third round 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.520 grade on right. You know, they were that they were 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.800 comfortable taking him at that spot. I know that's you know, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.520 to me, if you're going to talk about length and 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.240 big guys and long guys, Melafanu was on the board 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.680 and that's the guy I mean. But again, they don't 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.080 care what we think, it's what they think. And but 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.599 but Bucky totally nailed it right there. I had to 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.520 Scott to explained, Listen, when a quarterback goes back there 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.400 and he doesn't see window and all he sees is 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:36.360 color and jersey and things, you know, clouding his vision, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.520 that's tough on him and maybe he has to go 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.920 somewhere else. So once you explain things like that, when 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.440 you're affecting the windows of quarterbacks, it makes a whole 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.640 heck of a lot of sense. And real, real quick. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.440 I just want to say this because I think having 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.600 like a hardcore opinion on Nashan right, but that watching 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.240 him is like a terrible thing to do, and I 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.520 think a lot of it is it is it is, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.440 And then you go watch him and you go. My 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.360 issues with the Sean right where I just didn't think 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.560 he turned very well, and a lot of those tall corners, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.600 it's very tough for them to do that. I didn't 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.520 think he turned very well. His play demeanor was awesome. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.120 He's awesome. He wants to get his hands on you. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.920 He wants to rugh you up a little bit. My 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.040 problem with all of that. And they had him grated 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.720 a little higher than I did. I had more kind 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.800 of round five time, you know, day three taps, I 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.280 had him, I had him in the fifth, him and the 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.000 the fifth and myself when I went back and evaluated him, 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.400 I couldn't put him over melafon Wu and Thomas from Michigan. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.880 You can say what you want about molding at Washington. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.560 He was not going to be in the mix unless 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.000 it was gonna go safety. But I just couldn't. I 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.320 tried to elevate him over those guys that were taken 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.680 after him, and me personally, I couldn't do it. Well. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.000 Sort of becomes real quick, Bucky, My problem comes from McCarthy. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.840 Then maybe it doesn't matter what Mike McCarthy says. Maybe 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.800 it doesn't. But a week ago, talking about how they 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.360 wanted to get aggressive and they want to play a 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.000 lot of man defense, and I I'm like, okay, well 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.200 you're doing the complete ops like the Sean Wright can 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.720 play man and I guess a little bit, but like 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.080 he is a better as you just said, Bucky better 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.720 fit for his zone to keep playing a ton of 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.480 his own and you got the head coach a week 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.440 ago ago, we want to play more man than zone. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.240 And I just start having all these things like how 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.560 congruland is everything? What's the symmetry with everything? And that 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.240 was a problem last year, as is everyone on the 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.760 same page here? And I just I can't help but 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.560 ask those questions. I'll tell you what kt real quick. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.800 I thought he was a better man than he was zone. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.280 I'm opposite of what that was just watching him play, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.080 because I felt like the more he got up on people, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.280 the better chance he had to stay with them. It's 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.880 like you talked about. I saw what you were saying about. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.920 When he's off, the movement wasn't what it needed to 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.040 be because he would have to collision receivers down the 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.840 field with on the release just to get himself in position, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.480 or a couple of times some games where he was 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.320 flagged for that, so I thought, walk him up, let 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.840 him jam, let him hold. For one hundred and eighty 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.600 seven pound guy, he was pretty strong along the line 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.920 of scrimmage to kind of hold those guys up. I 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.920 think a couple of things, like I think both you 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.480 guys are right. For one, I would say this, there 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.320 are a lot of coaches in our league, even offensive coaches, 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.000 that don't fully understand like coverage and coverage principles. And 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.000 sometimes he comes out when they talk like even the best, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.720 like they don't get it. When you look at this defense, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.400 this defense is just like when christ Shard came in 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.240 or whatever. They will talk about cover three, but this 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.000 is really like the two guys on the outside or 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.800 in man coverage. The nine guys on the inside are 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.760 playing zone and based on patterns and concepts or whatever, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.480 it will change. But the interior guys, like the safety 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.520 and the three linebackers, they're spy dropping too designated areas 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.120 on the field. Their eyes are on the quarterback and 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.320 they are seaball get ball defenders. The corner on the 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.040 outside when they're one on one, they're locked up. When 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.359 it's two receivers to the side, they're gonna build and 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.200 play zone and so you will rarely see them play 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.640 off in backhuttle. I think the best way to think 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.200 about right and these other guys, even Traymon, dis imagine 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.560 in your head like they may not play to this level. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:22.200 Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman long guys that are playing 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.359 off in those things. And for right, Brandon Browner is 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.680 the more apt comparison because what Brandon Browner is going 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.080 to do on the edge is he's going to hug 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.159 and mug and grab and clutch, and they're going to 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.000 establish that style of play and they're going to say 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.240 officials will not call this all game, and we're going 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.879 to wear them down by clutching and grabbing and disrupting 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.040 the rhythm. And it's very frustrating, but that's how they're 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.840 going to play. And if dan Quinn is true to 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.040 how they taught it, that is how it was taught 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.960 in Pete Carroll's defense, and so I think we're going 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.720 to see that and we have to be ready for 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.440 some of those growing pains early until they settle in. Yeah, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.360 that's what they liked Horn, That's what they like JC 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.119 Horne to play that style. Yeah, because he's probably a 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.280 better He's a I would say, a better fit in 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.240 terms of a man. We're gonna go nose to nose. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.280 This is going to be a backyard brawl out here 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.800 for seventy snaps, and yeah, there're gonna be some flags 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.800 and all that, but we're going to establish our play. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.240 The other thing you talked about rights playing demeanor. I 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:27.480 think one commonality between all of these guys Parsons, Cox right, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.720 Ghost and all of these jos have an edge to him. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.399 That is Joseph that is a little different. And I 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.480 always talk about it, and hopefully this isn't get misconstrued, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.719 but like, if you want a great defense, you got 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.160 to have a team full of goons, but you gotta 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.600 have the right zookeeper that is the decordinator, meaning he 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.159 can't be afraid of those personalities and those guys that 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.480 are on the edge. Because the greatest defenses, I'm sure 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.640 Brian can attest to it, you gotta have a couple 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.679 of guys that have a couple of screws loose that 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.520 you gotta rain them back. Yeah, it is harder. It 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.560 is easier to rain them back in the poker into 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.840 me be like, hey, let's go play hard. And so 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.119 I like the personality now is does dan Quinn have 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.000 the personality to control all those guys to get to him, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.040 to not play silly football, but to play at the 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.359 line but not go over the line. Yeah, there's times, Bucky, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.960 You're right, I've seen, like from series to series, I've 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.080 seen players want to fight the defensive coordinator and the 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.680 next series give him a hug. I mean, that's that's 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.639 how crazy it gets down there sometimes, Katie, do you 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.720 think dan Quinn is the right guy for that job? 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.720 Because everything that Bucky's saying right now, everything Brian saying 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.600 right now, it gets me excited thinking about the way 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.880 that these prospects are going to fit into the defense. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.919 But ultimately, like Bucky just said, you need that leader, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.560 you need that that voice on the sideline that can 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.040 rain in those personalities. Do you think Quinn can do that? 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.480 I mean, I think so, And I would imagine that 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.080 he's got, you know, a ton of respect and I 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.600 think these players probably know his act aids and things 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.000 like that. You know. The thing I would say is like, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.639 you know, it's surely gonna come down to how the 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.520 players play and do they buy into any changes. It 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.640 was very frustrating to be the players are making comments 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.199 in the first month last year, not they're buying into 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.320 the to this game. But also it's probably very frustrated 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.159 to those players that maybe they weren't being coached in 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.359 a way that was you know, they might have been 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.480 a little offensive to them how they were being coached. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.480