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Speaker 1: It's the final episode of the twenty twenty one at
Speaker 1: draft season, and we are glad you're with us here
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Speaker 1: and around the world. We've got Bucky Brooks, We've got
Speaker 1: Brian brought us in the great Kevin kat Turner und
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's with you for one final time here on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. And Brian, we got to talk with
Speaker 1: you onto on Tuesday. We did all the sappy goodbyes
Speaker 1: and everything, and then we turn around and Jeff's not
Speaker 1: able to make it, Dane's not able to make it,
Speaker 1: and you're able to come again. I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: another hour with you, but let's start with Bucky Brooks,
Speaker 1: because somebody's pretty happy the Cowboys got a linebacker. And
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a chance to talk about it just yet,
Speaker 1: as I see the smile down in that bottom right
Speaker 1: hand corner. Bucky, what were your overall thoughts of the
Speaker 1: NFL draft? Well, I think I think in the Cowboys case,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys got the best defending on the board.
Speaker 1: Whenever we get Michael Parsons. I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation about j. C. Horn and passer ten, and
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of mocked those guys there for
Speaker 1: the longest time. But I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the value over the long call, Michael Parsons is going
Speaker 1: to be a more impactful player than the corners would
Speaker 1: have been, particularly in this defense. And when you hear
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn talk about three four looking defense that's a
Speaker 1: hybrid and pick kind of moving the pieces around the chessboard.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons gives him the opportunity to do a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things. And so I'm excited about it, but
Speaker 1: I'm more excited about the fact that they doubled down
Speaker 1: and got your brill Cox to come back. For so
Speaker 1: long we talked about the lack of speed and athleticism
Speaker 1: at the second level, particularly as it relates to Jayalen
Speaker 1: Smith being able to play these high end offenses. You
Speaker 1: need to have speed on the field. They are a
Speaker 1: much faster and explosive and more athletic defense, and I
Speaker 1: think when you put those elements on the field, that's
Speaker 1: when the turno was beginning to happen. Katsie, what do
Speaker 1: you do you think about it? No, I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: more with Bucky and the fact that they were able
Speaker 1: to squeeze out another, you know, day two pick out
Speaker 1: of it. It makes it a little bit more sweeter.
Speaker 1: And the bottom line is I think the world's a
Speaker 1: little crazy when it comes to communication sometimes. And I
Speaker 1: know that being a fan also means being a fanatic,
Speaker 1: and the definition of that is a little sometimes too.
Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line, the bottom line, and we talked
Speaker 1: about this for months. There were about thirteen really really
Speaker 1: good players worthy going in the top thirteen. And yes,
Speaker 1: that is a shot at Matt Jones, I'll say it.
Speaker 1: But there were thirteen guys who were worthy of going
Speaker 1: top thirteen, and they were going to get one of
Speaker 1: those guys unless they traded back to twenty with the
Speaker 1: Bears or something like that. So they got that guy
Speaker 1: just because one of us might have said I would
Speaker 1: have taken Slater over Parsons. It might have been me,
Speaker 1: it might have been someone else. Just because you might
Speaker 1: do that doesn't matter. They were going to get And
Speaker 1: we talked about this with Bucky a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: about being stingy with your first round grades, making sure
Speaker 1: if there you put a first round grade on them. Now,
Speaker 1: we're not just allowing people to walk in and watch
Speaker 1: their tape and just because they do a few things
Speaker 1: right they get a first round grade. Being stingy, there
Speaker 1: was a cutoff line, and Michael Parson was definitely a
Speaker 1: clear first round grade. And when you're picking up there,
Speaker 1: you get a good player. There will be multiple times
Speaker 1: this year where we are talking about a Cowboy game
Speaker 1: when it's over and we go, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that game would have been like if we didn't
Speaker 1: have Michael Parsons. He will be your best defensive player
Speaker 1: multiple times this season. And I think that's what kind
Speaker 1: of gets lost in the sauce when you're doing the
Speaker 1: draft and talking about the could have, should haves and
Speaker 1: things like that. I admit I would have taken Slater
Speaker 1: over Parsons, and then you know just looking at the
Speaker 1: depth of other positions kind of attacked the draft from there.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy with what they got with their first
Speaker 1: two picks. I really am Ryan, you know, after listening
Speaker 1: to dan Quinn talk post drafted, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: admit that I had some violence in my voice during
Speaker 1: the during the draft about some of the way that
Speaker 1: these picks came off, and you know, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't see this fit. I don't see this fit,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of wondering what direction are they
Speaker 1: going in here? And but to me, once you listen
Speaker 1: to dan Quinn talk about where he wanted to go
Speaker 1: and where he envisioned these players and where he envisions
Speaker 1: his defense being, it does make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I'll see another encouraging thing just to humble Bragg. Yesterday
Speaker 1: we got to talk to Will McClay on our station
Speaker 1: on one oh five three, and the thing that Will
Speaker 1: was talking about, He's like, listen, dan Quinn and I
Speaker 1: went on the road together. And that made me feel
Speaker 1: good in a way of it. Okay, it's just not
Speaker 1: dan Quinn going out there and hitting all these schools
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do this. So I'm gonna run rough
Speaker 1: shot over the scouting staff. Now, him and Will McClay
Speaker 1: were went out there, and to Will's credit, he learned
Speaker 1: what dan quinn was looking for in these players, and
Speaker 1: I think that was to me. Now I have a
Speaker 1: better understanding of why they took the players they did.
Speaker 1: And you know the thing with the Parsons pick, I'm
Speaker 1: with kat I love Slater. I thought that would have
Speaker 1: been an outstanding pick there. But again, listening to where
Speaker 1: they were or where they were trying to get to
Speaker 1: makes a whole lot of sense by the way they
Speaker 1: draft that they had. Brian, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1: Go for it, Bucky. Now I think I may be
Speaker 1: going where you're going provac Cow, because I think one
Speaker 1: thing that is underlooked in the process is fit in
Speaker 1: scheme when we're evaluating prospects, being able to understand clearly
Speaker 1: how this prospect fits and the desired scheme of the coordinator.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Will McClay and Dan quinn were
Speaker 1: on the road together having those conversations not only at workouts,
Speaker 1: but you would like to think away from workouts, where
Speaker 1: they're really trying to get into each other's head to
Speaker 1: know exactly what you want. I think you now have
Speaker 1: a better opportunity of acquiring players that fit the vision
Speaker 1: of what Dan Quinn once And I think the Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons pick is interesting because there are a few different things,
Speaker 1: Like people have made the point when I talk to
Speaker 1: people in Seattle, like, hey, if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at Bobby Wagner Utah State, Bobby Wagner played sam
Speaker 1: linebacker before they moved him to mic linebacker with the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. And I do wonder for Michael Parsons. You
Speaker 1: have Jaylen Smith and Lvee there, so maybe Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: doesn't play inside. Maybe he plays outside on the edges
Speaker 1: the first year or so, and they try and maximize
Speaker 1: his value as a rusher and a blitzer in a
Speaker 1: unique fashion before maybe he kicks inside down the line.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of versatility that he
Speaker 1: brings and maybe that was kind of the driving force
Speaker 1: behind the pick. And Brian, that was one of the
Speaker 1: things in your conversation with Willa McClay. By the way,
Speaker 1: a fantastic interview with you guys on the fan the
Speaker 1: other day, but just in the past here in Dallas,
Speaker 1: I mean The disconnect between the coaches and the scouts
Speaker 1: have been what scares everyone around the draft process. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's been the biggest thing for me, is looking at
Speaker 1: it and saying, if there's a disconnect between the scouts
Speaker 1: and the coaches, you're not necessarily going to ever have
Speaker 1: the right fit. And the fact that you did hear
Speaker 1: Will McClay talk about how Dan quinn is traveling hitting
Speaker 1: the road with Will McClay and these scouts and these
Speaker 1: coaches are in secession with each other. That makes me
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about this because if this pick
Speaker 1: was made three years ago or four years ago with
Speaker 1: either Michael Parsons or even the Nashan Wright pick that
Speaker 1: was at ninety nine, I wouldn't feel as good about
Speaker 1: it because I feel like this staff and I feel
Speaker 1: like this structure with this front office is a lot
Speaker 1: more in sync than it has been in previous years.
Speaker 1: And I could be wrong, but that's what it seems
Speaker 1: like from the outside. Brian, yeah, what the situation is,
Speaker 1: and Bucky has experienced this firsthand, and I would give
Speaker 1: anything in the world for Kat to be a part
Speaker 1: of a team and get to feel the feelings that
Speaker 1: we've had during draft processes like Bucky and I have had.
Speaker 1: I had a scout tell me that there's been times
Speaker 1: where when the scouts get their way, that's not always
Speaker 1: a good thing. And he said it in a way
Speaker 1: of like, listen, you could bring players in and if
Speaker 1: these coaches don't want to coach them or they don't
Speaker 1: like them, they're not going to play them. They're not
Speaker 1: going to coach them, they're not going to do anything
Speaker 1: to help the player develop. And he goes, Now, where
Speaker 1: you're at, you're scouts, You're happy, Yeah, we got our guys,
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden, you got a coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You're like, man, they're putting us with players that can't play.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that there's sometimes where you need
Speaker 1: to have that coach influence. You need the coaches to
Speaker 1: have us say do you want them to have all
Speaker 1: to say no. But you talked about marriage between the two,
Speaker 1: and I think it was very very important because again
Speaker 1: talking to scouts there, dan Quinn came in with a
Speaker 1: clear idea what he wanted to do and he was
Speaker 1: able to convey that message to the scouts. And that's
Speaker 1: how you have an understanding, and that's how you you
Speaker 1: come to an agreement of what type of player you
Speaker 1: really need, and it's no change we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: coaches get there, uh, you know, fair share of picks
Speaker 1: over the years, and it's worked out sometimes and sometimes
Speaker 1: it hasn't, and scouts have missed that happens. It kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me like the Dynamic and Saturday Dot Live.
Speaker 1: Like if a host comes in and he's kind of
Speaker 1: just a jerk to everyone and he's too good for everyone.
Speaker 1: The writers are like, yeah, I don't want to write
Speaker 1: for this guy, and the cast is like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to write for this guy. It's kind of that
Speaker 1: type of thing maybe, But you know when I when
Speaker 1: I look at what they did as a whole, I
Speaker 1: can't help but feel like there's pretty even trade off,
Speaker 1: especially in a year where things are a little bit differently,
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't really a point in the draft. Well,
Speaker 1: there was maybe one point in the draft where I went, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a clear, that's a clear. Maybe maybe a Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn pick clearly, and maybe maybe more A lot of
Speaker 1: them were, like there were years where we would go
Speaker 1: that as a Rod Marinelli pick, he got the pick,
Speaker 1: and you kind of know that because he's sitting in
Speaker 1: the Jones's lap while they're about to call the player,
Speaker 1: like he's in the room ready to go, and you
Speaker 1: can like see it happening. Um, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to do something and make a big change, though,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's like a huge change. I mean,
Speaker 1: last year's defense was embarrassing and they would be the
Speaker 1: first to tell you that. But what they're doing, they're
Speaker 1: not reinventing the will with with this scheme. And I
Speaker 1: think they had a plan and I think they executed
Speaker 1: their plan throughout the three days of the draft. And
Speaker 1: that's what I kind of look at more than anything,
Speaker 1: is like, what did we get done? We got done
Speaker 1: what we wanted to get done, And it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what you know, Dave Brugler thinks of it, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what Dave Hellman thinks about it, Like that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We executed our plan. And as long as
Speaker 1: you're doing that and like sticking to your board, I
Speaker 1: tend to not have a problem with one of the
Speaker 1: team does because you truly don't know how it works
Speaker 1: out until you know twenty twenty five. You know, one
Speaker 1: of the things you know, when I think of Bucky
Speaker 1: No one of the things when you talk about like
Speaker 1: our guys, because there was a lot of um outrage
Speaker 1: or criticism about like the day two picks now shone
Speaker 1: right in particular, and there's a lot of conversation about, hey,
Speaker 1: everything is about length and those things why it's online
Speaker 1: so important to the defense. I think it's important to
Speaker 1: let everyone know when you're a dan Quinn defense and
Speaker 1: you're a defense that plays zone, the reason why you
Speaker 1: want length is because long players make it tighter windows
Speaker 1: and so they're playing and reading the eyes of the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like when you have these long athletes, the windows become
Speaker 1: smaller because they're playing vision on the quarterback. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're reacting, and it's intimidating to a quarterback to see
Speaker 1: all of that length on the field. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a team of six seven guys playing gay two three zone,
Speaker 1: Like it's just so long. The zone expands and it
Speaker 1: really makes it pushes you way out beyond the three
Speaker 1: point line. And so I think that is really important
Speaker 1: to let everyone know the reason why lengths are important,
Speaker 1: because this is really a zone defense and you want
Speaker 1: to make the windows tighter. Yeah, I think Bucky. Bucky's
Speaker 1: dead on. I mean, I had a scout explain that
Speaker 1: to me, and they clearly they had a third round
Speaker 1: grade on right. You know, they were that they were
Speaker 1: comfortable taking him at that spot. I know that's you know,
Speaker 1: to me, if you're going to talk about length and
Speaker 1: big guys and long guys, Melafanu was on the board
Speaker 1: and that's the guy I mean. But again, they don't
Speaker 1: care what we think, it's what they think. And but
Speaker 1: but Bucky totally nailed it right there. I had to
Speaker 1: Scott to explained, Listen, when a quarterback goes back there
Speaker 1: and he doesn't see window and all he sees is
Speaker 1: color and jersey and things, you know, clouding his vision,
Speaker 1: that's tough on him and maybe he has to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So once you explain things like that, when
Speaker 1: you're affecting the windows of quarterbacks, it makes a whole
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of sense. And real, real quick.
Speaker 1: I just want to say this because I think having
Speaker 1: like a hardcore opinion on Nashan right, but that watching
Speaker 1: him is like a terrible thing to do, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is it is it is,
Speaker 1: And then you go watch him and you go. My
Speaker 1: issues with the Sean right where I just didn't think
Speaker 1: he turned very well, and a lot of those tall corners,
Speaker 1: it's very tough for them to do that. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he turned very well. His play demeanor was awesome.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. He wants to get his hands on you.
Speaker 1: He wants to rugh you up a little bit. My
Speaker 1: problem with all of that. And they had him grated
Speaker 1: a little higher than I did. I had more kind
Speaker 1: of round five time, you know, day three taps, I
Speaker 1: had him, I had him in the fifth, him and the
Speaker 1: the fifth and myself when I went back and evaluated him,
Speaker 1: I couldn't put him over melafon Wu and Thomas from Michigan.
Speaker 1: You can say what you want about molding at Washington.
Speaker 1: He was not going to be in the mix unless
Speaker 1: it was gonna go safety. But I just couldn't. I
Speaker 1: tried to elevate him over those guys that were taken
Speaker 1: after him, and me personally, I couldn't do it. Well.
Speaker 1: Sort of becomes real quick, Bucky, My problem comes from McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Then maybe it doesn't matter what Mike McCarthy says. Maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But a week ago, talking about how they
Speaker 1: wanted to get aggressive and they want to play a
Speaker 1: lot of man defense, and I I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 1: you're doing the complete ops like the Sean Wright can
Speaker 1: play man and I guess a little bit, but like
Speaker 1: he is a better as you just said, Bucky better
Speaker 1: fit for his zone to keep playing a ton of
Speaker 1: his own and you got the head coach a week
Speaker 1: ago ago, we want to play more man than zone.
Speaker 1: And I just start having all these things like how
Speaker 1: congruland is everything? What's the symmetry with everything? And that
Speaker 1: was a problem last year, as is everyone on the
Speaker 1: same page here? And I just I can't help but
Speaker 1: ask those questions. I'll tell you what kt real quick.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a better man than he was zone.
Speaker 1: I'm opposite of what that was just watching him play,
Speaker 1: because I felt like the more he got up on people,
Speaker 1: the better chance he had to stay with them. It's
Speaker 1: like you talked about. I saw what you were saying about.
Speaker 1: When he's off, the movement wasn't what it needed to
Speaker 1: be because he would have to collision receivers down the
Speaker 1: field with on the release just to get himself in position,
Speaker 1: or a couple of times some games where he was
Speaker 1: flagged for that, so I thought, walk him up, let
Speaker 1: him jam, let him hold. For one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: seven pound guy, he was pretty strong along the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage to kind of hold those guys up. I
Speaker 1: think a couple of things, like I think both you
Speaker 1: guys are right. For one, I would say this, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of coaches in our league, even offensive coaches,
Speaker 1: that don't fully understand like coverage and coverage principles. And
Speaker 1: sometimes he comes out when they talk like even the best,
Speaker 1: like they don't get it. When you look at this defense,
Speaker 1: this defense is just like when christ Shard came in
Speaker 1: or whatever. They will talk about cover three, but this
Speaker 1: is really like the two guys on the outside or
Speaker 1: in man coverage. The nine guys on the inside are
Speaker 1: playing zone and based on patterns and concepts or whatever,
Speaker 1: it will change. But the interior guys, like the safety
Speaker 1: and the three linebackers, they're spy dropping too designated areas
Speaker 1: on the field. Their eyes are on the quarterback and
Speaker 1: they are seaball get ball defenders. The corner on the
Speaker 1: outside when they're one on one, they're locked up. When
Speaker 1: it's two receivers to the side, they're gonna build and
Speaker 1: play zone and so you will rarely see them play
Speaker 1: off in backhuttle. I think the best way to think
Speaker 1: about right and these other guys, even Traymon, dis imagine
Speaker 1: in your head like they may not play to this level.
Speaker 1: Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman long guys that are playing
Speaker 1: off in those things. And for right, Brandon Browner is
Speaker 1: the more apt comparison because what Brandon Browner is going
Speaker 1: to do on the edge is he's going to hug
Speaker 1: and mug and grab and clutch, and they're going to
Speaker 1: establish that style of play and they're going to say
Speaker 1: officials will not call this all game, and we're going
Speaker 1: to wear them down by clutching and grabbing and disrupting
Speaker 1: the rhythm. And it's very frustrating, but that's how they're
Speaker 1: going to play. And if dan Quinn is true to
Speaker 1: how they taught it, that is how it was taught
Speaker 1: in Pete Carroll's defense, and so I think we're going
Speaker 1: to see that and we have to be ready for
Speaker 1: some of those growing pains early until they settle in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they liked Horn, That's what they like JC
Speaker 1: Horne to play that style. Yeah, because he's probably a
Speaker 1: better He's a I would say, a better fit in
Speaker 1: terms of a man. We're gonna go nose to nose.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a backyard brawl out here
Speaker 1: for seventy snaps, and yeah, there're gonna be some flags
Speaker 1: and all that, but we're going to establish our play.
Speaker 1: The other thing you talked about rights playing demeanor. I
Speaker 1: think one commonality between all of these guys Parsons, Cox right,
Speaker 1: Ghost and all of these jos have an edge to him.
Speaker 1: That is Joseph that is a little different. And I
Speaker 1: always talk about it, and hopefully this isn't get misconstrued,
Speaker 1: but like, if you want a great defense, you got
Speaker 1: to have a team full of goons, but you gotta
Speaker 1: have the right zookeeper that is the decordinator, meaning he
Speaker 1: can't be afraid of those personalities and those guys that
Speaker 1: are on the edge. Because the greatest defenses, I'm sure
Speaker 1: Brian can attest to it, you gotta have a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that have a couple of screws loose that
Speaker 1: you gotta rain them back. Yeah, it is harder. It
Speaker 1: is easier to rain them back in the poker into
Speaker 1: me be like, hey, let's go play hard. And so
Speaker 1: I like the personality now is does dan Quinn have
Speaker 1: the personality to control all those guys to get to him,
Speaker 1: to not play silly football, but to play at the
Speaker 1: line but not go over the line. Yeah, there's times, Bucky,
Speaker 1: You're right, I've seen, like from series to series, I've
Speaker 1: seen players want to fight the defensive coordinator and the
Speaker 1: next series give him a hug. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: how crazy it gets down there sometimes, Katie, do you
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn is the right guy for that job?
Speaker 1: Because everything that Bucky's saying right now, everything Brian saying
Speaker 1: right now, it gets me excited thinking about the way
Speaker 1: that these prospects are going to fit into the defense.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, like Bucky just said, you need that leader,
Speaker 1: you need that that voice on the sideline that can
Speaker 1: rain in those personalities. Do you think Quinn can do that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think so, And I would imagine that
Speaker 1: he's got, you know, a ton of respect and I
Speaker 1: think these players probably know his act aids and things
Speaker 1: like that. You know. The thing I would say is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's surely gonna come down to how the
Speaker 1: players play and do they buy into any changes. It
Speaker 1: was very frustrating to be the players are making comments
Speaker 1: in the first month last year, not they're buying into
Speaker 1: the to this game. But also it's probably very frustrated
Speaker 1: to those players that maybe they weren't being coached in
Speaker 1: a way that was you know, they might have been
Speaker 1: a little offensive to them how they were being coached.
Speaker 1: There have been maybe like we've got some uh, you know,
Speaker 1: some guys up here who don't know what they're doing really,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's hard to know because you haven't
Speaker 1: been around. I mean, that was the first time we'd
Speaker 1: heard from Dan Quinn for something. We can get to
Speaker 1: talk to it, and that's kind that's kind of why
Speaker 1: it was a little different. So I kind of going
Speaker 1: off that. And one thing I will say is like
Speaker 1: it is good to have a plan because last year
Speaker 1: it was very okay, here's McCarthy, here's Mike Nolan. Bit
Speaker 1: of a change, we're gonna be multiple. But they were
Speaker 1: never specific and how they talked and they were never
Speaker 1: specific and really how they acted about personnel and things
Speaker 1: like that. They're very specific about what they want now.
Speaker 1: They want length you know, they're looking for bigger guys.
Speaker 1: They're not not scared to, uh, you know, bringing some
Speaker 1: guys who you know, I hate saying questions. Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Joseph could play turn on the tape. They
Speaker 1: could play to figure out I have more of an
Speaker 1: issue with the guy you take in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle, like maybe let's draft another guy like it.
Speaker 1: Don't talk to me about second chances with that guy,
Speaker 1: like that guy's on chance thirteen Like I'm good, Just
Speaker 1: pick another guy, like I have more of an issue
Speaker 1: with that pick than any of these other guys and
Speaker 1: coming up with stuff about you know who they are.
Speaker 1: Let's let them go play and see what happens before
Speaker 1: before it changes. The most important coach on the defensive
Speaker 1: staff is Joe Witt Junior. Joe Junior has to do
Speaker 1: two things for this defense to click. He has to
Speaker 1: get the young guys on the same page when it
Speaker 1: comes to communication and technique. And then the second thing
Speaker 1: is he has to fix the things that dan Quinn
Speaker 1: may not know when it comes to coverage adjustments. The
Speaker 1: secondary coach with dan Quinn is the most important part
Speaker 1: because dan Quinn is coming as a defensive coordinator. In general,
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to do is to go from being
Speaker 1: a D line coach to being a coordinator, because you're
Speaker 1: so close to being in the trenches that you may
Speaker 1: not have that full field perspective to fix it. And
Speaker 1: so the secondary coach becomes critically important. To a guy
Speaker 1: like that, It's no different than Rod mary Nelly having
Speaker 1: to have like Chris Richard, to anybody else that comes
Speaker 1: from being right at the line of scrimmage. It is
Speaker 1: hard for those guys to understand the full field view
Speaker 1: of how the defense should come together. Yeah, but let's
Speaker 1: think about this. Let's think about what this defense has
Speaker 1: gone through though the last several years. How many different
Speaker 1: coordinators they've had, Rod Marnelli, Chris Richard, Mike Nolan. Now
Speaker 1: they have a new guy. If you're sitting there in
Speaker 1: that defensive room, you're going, when are they going to
Speaker 1: get this right? When is somebody going to come in here?
Speaker 1: You know? And yeah, let's let's be honest. Jane Slater's
Speaker 1: report on the NFL Network was talking about the players
Speaker 1: and not getting it and not understanding and you know,
Speaker 1: I've said this all along. Pandemic plan as far as
Speaker 1: handling the health of the team a plus, teaching the
Speaker 1: team during pandemic Plan f so f SO. To me,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. As your player, You're like, well, what
Speaker 1: what other guy they're gonna bring in here? What other
Speaker 1: guy were? What other thing we're you know, Oh Jim
Speaker 1: Tom Sulu, Oh he's gone. Now, oh, this guy's gone.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're defensive player, you're like, what are
Speaker 1: you buying into? You're You're like, heck, they're throwing, they're
Speaker 1: grabbing at straws and they're trying to you know, you're thinking,
Speaker 1: how am I going to play? Every time? But to me,
Speaker 1: this one does feel right. This is the one that
Speaker 1: does feel right, and hopefully for Dallas Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys fans it is because Kat said earlier, historically
Speaker 1: this was an awful defense, and I think alive it
Speaker 1: had to do with the way they got the team
Speaker 1: ready to play. Yes, yes, yes, yes, well said all
Speaker 1: of that matters. And I was in the pandemic like
Speaker 1: and Mike Nolan as a friend, but I would say
Speaker 1: he excused to the level of complexity. And I think
Speaker 1: the first thing that a teacher has to know is yes,
Speaker 1: to know the students, And I would say that the
Speaker 1: defense that they were attempting to put in went over
Speaker 1: the heads of the students that were in the chairs.
Speaker 1: So sometimes it's better to be a team that plays
Speaker 1: like little toy soldiers on the field, where everyone knows
Speaker 1: where to line up so they can just play fast
Speaker 1: and just go to the ball. And so I think
Speaker 1: we'll see more of that less disguise. Hey, let's just
Speaker 1: line up and make sure we knew exactly what to do,
Speaker 1: then just go play hard and knock the ball out.
Speaker 1: Well said from all three guys throughout the segment. I mean,
Speaker 1: explaining this defense is probably not going to be easy
Speaker 1: to the common person, but Tan Quinn's gonna have to
Speaker 1: try and do that to a lot of these professional
Speaker 1: athletes on that side of the football. Hopefully he is
Speaker 1: the right guy moving forward. When we come back here
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show, time for some Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty we're gonna get Bucky's opinion on that linebacker pick
Speaker 1: and maybe get to clear the air a little bit
Speaker 1: thanks to a Twitter question. We're gonna talk about that
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, the final episode of
Speaker 1: the season. Gentlemen, did you know that going? Or if
Speaker 1: you include all three days of our draft coverage, this
Speaker 1: would be episode number forty seven of the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: Since when we started this thing back in December, I
Speaker 1: mean back and forth. Forty seven draft shows. Pretty crazy
Speaker 1: to think about, but forty seven draft shows. We've also
Speaker 1: had it close to about forty twitters on the twenty
Speaker 1: time for the final, Twitter on the twenty Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty ardis Chris Beam in the back doing fantastic work.
Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, get your dukes up ready to fight.
Speaker 1: Here for a little bit, real quick, go for it,
Speaker 1: Brian coll It real quick, yeah, real quick. It's kind
Speaker 1: of Bucky's kind of like we played like the Brooklyn Nets,
Speaker 1: you know, like all of the really the team's kind
Speaker 1: of been together, but Bucky's been like Kevin Durant, you know,
Speaker 1: been in, in in, out of the lineup, and you really
Speaker 1: can't give him credit for all forty sevens. He's Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: He's a big time player for the road management the
Speaker 1: rest of its doing our job. Bucky's come in and
Speaker 1: out we find out, you know, yeah, yeah fresh for
Speaker 1: the final? You want me fresh for the final? Brought
Speaker 1: us as Dirk. He's the one that's been ready and
Speaker 1: available no matter what. Katie's I just I just I
Speaker 1: just throw off, I just throw off the sweat and
Speaker 1: we go play Bucky's like Kevin Durant. We have him
Speaker 1: some days, I have him. Hide this now. I made
Speaker 1: this a lot of a lot of work, a lot
Speaker 1: of pet work, a lot of a lot of extra
Speaker 1: work to get me. Oh man, I love it. All Right, Bucky,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna throw this one right at you,
Speaker 1: mister Snappy Comeback followed up one of my tweets, and
Speaker 1: he said at Bucky Brooks, tagging you specifically, he said,
Speaker 1: three months ago, you absolutely trashed Parsons, basically said I
Speaker 1: don't want to complete that sentence, but now you're very
Speaker 1: happy about the pick. I want you to clear the
Speaker 1: air on this because I don't think you never just
Speaker 1: smashed Parsons as a player. It was more of just
Speaker 1: you had more concerns for him specifically than you did
Speaker 1: maybe some of the other players that could have been available. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it's important for what what's his what's
Speaker 1: his handle, Nappy comeback? It's his name. Yeah. See, that's
Speaker 1: that's where that's where we need to start. By the way,
Speaker 1: feel free if you want to rip, if you want
Speaker 1: to if you want to rip my ass about something,
Speaker 1: give me your name. That way, you and I can
Speaker 1: have a real conversation. You know, if you want to
Speaker 1: be that guy or gal and you want to come
Speaker 1: at me, spell my name right and number two give
Speaker 1: me your name so I can have a good dialogue
Speaker 1: with you. Mister snappy, come back. Oh look so mister snappy, comeback,
Speaker 1: so guy or whatever. Whatever. I think it's important to
Speaker 1: be able to separate the person from the player. I
Speaker 1: never tries to player. I've always loved the player. I
Speaker 1: think the players was the best defender and in the draft.
Speaker 1: Like his ability to get from A to B in
Speaker 1: a hurry to create disruption as a blitzer. His unique
Speaker 1: skill set in terms of his combination of athletics and
Speaker 1: speed is close to power. All that I loved, rated
Speaker 1: all the charts, off the charts, blue chip player. My issue,
Speaker 1: my main concern had to deal with the character of
Speaker 1: the football character, meaning are you going to get someone
Speaker 1: that's mature enough to handle the responsibilities of being the
Speaker 1: leader of America's team. There is a big stage that
Speaker 1: comes with being the guy that is not only the topic,
Speaker 1: but the guy that's expected to be the leader of
Speaker 1: this defense with all eyes on it and playing in
Speaker 1: this city with all of the glitz, and glam. It
Speaker 1: takes a level of maturity that you have to have.
Speaker 1: When I crushed Mica, I worried about the ego and
Speaker 1: the maturity in terms of being able to handle the responsibilities.
Speaker 1: The other stuff that has come out about the character,
Speaker 1: that stuff is that stuff. So my concern was Kenny
Speaker 1: handled the responsibilities of being on a big stage with
Speaker 1: all of the responsibilities and the eyeballs on him that
Speaker 1: still remains to be seen. On the field, There's no
Speaker 1: doubt that he could be one of the best players
Speaker 1: to put the Star on, but we have to see
Speaker 1: Kenny handled those responsibilities. And when you look at this
Speaker 1: defense that has had some issues when it comes to
Speaker 1: players playing hard and doing all the other stuff or whatever.
Speaker 1: You just got to make sure that you're bringing the
Speaker 1: right guy into the locker room and he falls in
Speaker 1: line with the culture that you're trying to establish. We'll
Speaker 1: see love the player, Let's see if the players football
Speaker 1: character is up to the standard. And I think one
Speaker 1: thing when we're talking about all of these players, you're
Speaker 1: trying to find out as much information as you can
Speaker 1: and things like that. So if something comes up, you
Speaker 1: know with Michael Parsons that came up inevitably, and like
Speaker 1: it would have came up with Josh Ball if we
Speaker 1: knew the Cowboys were gonna draft Josh Ball. We just
Speaker 1: didn't talk about Josh Ball a lot on the draft show.
Speaker 1: You know, way different. Let's separate those things, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think like there's there's questions about Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: two that could be that could be discussed, and it's
Speaker 1: more about, like you know, the scouts have to ask
Speaker 1: these questions. How much as they love football, I'm much
Speaker 1: they want to be there. Asked the question about Jaylen Phillips.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks Jaylen Phillips is a really good kid. You're
Speaker 1: asking that question about his concussions. They're asking questions about
Speaker 1: his music passion. They're still from asking those questions, There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. They maybe asking the same thing
Speaker 1: about Kelvin Joseph. Why didn't work out at LSU? What happened?
Speaker 1: Like there's some things you just have to talk about.
Speaker 1: We're talking about picking players. I think it's important, like
Speaker 1: we talk about these players, they also have their whole
Speaker 1: lives in front of them too, And it's like if
Speaker 1: something happened, you know, you kind of have to look
Speaker 1: at it, and I don't like, you know, power ranking
Speaker 1: like things that might have happened, or sometimes there are
Speaker 1: alleged things that happen. A lot of times we don't
Speaker 1: know the full details on them. I guarantee of the
Speaker 1: team knows more about it than we do a lot
Speaker 1: of the times, you know, Like, I think it's very important,
Speaker 1: like to use a bunch of context when we're having
Speaker 1: these conversations rather than rush out to something like Bucky
Speaker 1: killed a guy like or not. I don't think Bucky
Speaker 1: killed Bucky brought up a concerned teams might have about
Speaker 1: a player, the same way teams might have concerns about
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater's arm length. I mean, it's all it's all
Speaker 1: about putting the puzzle together and trying to get a
Speaker 1: better look at the guy you're gonna draft. I think
Speaker 1: that was like nuances gone in this day and age, mans,
Speaker 1: nuances gone in this day and age. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of like yes, no, right, wrong right left no no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, let's all kind of be ir rational
Speaker 1: with how we deal with stuff. I love it, and
Speaker 1: I think David Hellman was the one that said it
Speaker 1: previously on one of the shows. But just because you
Speaker 1: like another player doesn't mean you hate another player. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can like multiple players, and I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: that a lot with this draft, because, I mean, truth
Speaker 1: be told, a lot of the guys that were picked
Speaker 1: were not necessarily on our radar, at least until we
Speaker 1: went into draft weekend. We started hearing some murmurs, but
Speaker 1: it was really a draft that kind of caught us
Speaker 1: by surprise in some aspects. Doesn't mean we hate the
Speaker 1: players that were taken. We might be a little disappointed
Speaker 1: in that regard, but at the same time, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that they're bad players and that it was a
Speaker 1: bad draft overall. Okay, Stephen Thomas says, how do you
Speaker 1: compare the Cowboys draft with the other drafts in the
Speaker 1: NFC East? Also, how would it help that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs passed the divisional round if these
Speaker 1: players pan out and maybe if they are better than
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFC East. Brian, do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts on how the division stuck out in terms
Speaker 1: of the draft? Stephen, I thank you for your question.
Speaker 1: I really do great question and I appreciate you using
Speaker 1: your name to me. I think the Philadelphia Eagles had
Speaker 1: the best draft as far as how and I have
Speaker 1: only evaluated one hundred and ninety players. Those are the
Speaker 1: guys I looked at. I ranked him from one to
Speaker 1: one ninety how I would take him. And when I
Speaker 1: look overall at what the Philadelphia Eagles did, I was
Speaker 1: super impressed by the Hall that they were able to have.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the Cowboys trading back with him,
Speaker 1: giving him Smith. Stephen Jones said it. You know they
Speaker 1: were either the Giants were going to get Devanta Smith
Speaker 1: or the Philadelphia Eagles were. You know, earlier we'd heard, Hey,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia was trying to go get Waddle. They'll say no,
Speaker 1: we were trying to get some but no, I'd heard
Speaker 1: from reliable sources they were going for Waddle. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get him. They settled on Smith. Landon Dickinson is a
Speaker 1: really good player. We'll see how the medical stuff turns out.
Speaker 1: I really did like Milton Williams a lot. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I remember, Kate, I don't know if you were on
Speaker 1: board with Milton Williams from Louisiana Tech. I know I was.
Speaker 1: Is that guy as an active tackle Zach McPherson from
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. He was transferred from Penn State. I really
Speaker 1: liked the player, Yeah, Kenneth Gainwell, the I mean the
Speaker 1: running back from Memphis. These Memphis running backs, you put
Speaker 1: them in the league, what do they do? They run
Speaker 1: hard and they catch the ball. They're kind of those
Speaker 1: complete backs. So to get a guy like that at
Speaker 1: one fifty I thought was just super value right there.
Speaker 1: You know, even go down Marlin Tulpa, you know the
Speaker 1: the I really liked him. The USC defensive tackle there.
Speaker 1: I mean again, that's a guy at one eighty nine
Speaker 1: that you're looking at and you're saying, whoa, how does
Speaker 1: that happen? Well, they got it right there at that spot.
Speaker 1: Jacobe Stevens not so much. I've known it from LSU.
Speaker 1: But then Patrick Johnson, you know, it's another guy they get,
Speaker 1: I mean the two lane defensive and he could be
Speaker 1: a linebacker, he could be a rush in at two
Speaker 1: thirty four. Man, it's great value. So just on my board,
Speaker 1: the way they hit those picks, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I get it. And
Speaker 1: you know, I thought they had a pretty good plan
Speaker 1: for how they handled that. I thought the Eagles had
Speaker 1: the best draft in the whole in the whole league. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I thought they nailed it. One thing I'll say real
Speaker 1: quick about Washington because they're the division champs. Kind of
Speaker 1: up and down draft for them from for now. I
Speaker 1: think if that Benjamin Saint Juice pick yeah three works
Speaker 1: out for them, Yeah, if he turns out to be
Speaker 1: a player, because all the traits are there, you're looking
Speaker 1: at a really good draft. Because I know Dammy Brown
Speaker 1: could play. Jommy Brown could play, he could play it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know jam and Davis could play it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I thought Washington, you know, as a whole, I liked
Speaker 1: that they did late to William, Bradley King and Shocka Tony,
Speaker 1: a couple of guys defensive animal like man. I'll bank
Speaker 1: on one of those guys to work out as a
Speaker 1: rotational player. So I thought Washington's draft was okay. But
Speaker 1: I would draft did Eagles, Cowboys, Washington Giants would be
Speaker 1: the order that I would put to it. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants. I think the Giants. Dave Getlman
Speaker 1: did something that he's never done. He traded back multiple times.
Speaker 1: Kadarius Kadarius, Tony to me is them finally addressing the
Speaker 1: mistake that they made when they traded away Odell Beckham Junior.
Speaker 1: When they trade away Odell Beckham Junior, they lost a
Speaker 1: guy that could score from anywhere on the field. Kadarius
Speaker 1: Tony gives them a guy that has similar traits in
Speaker 1: terms of stops, our quickness and run after catchability, so
Speaker 1: they needed that. Aziz Ojlari gives them a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting how they utilize him because that's not
Speaker 1: their typical guy in terms of what they normally go after.
Speaker 1: This is an old school team that typically has these
Speaker 1: traits with long arms and all this other stuff. At
Speaker 1: least he's not necessarily that, and so he's not really
Speaker 1: a handing the dirt gout To have him listed outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: we'll see Aaron Robinson is solid on the perimeter. And
Speaker 1: so you take their draft picks combined with what they've
Speaker 1: been able to acquire in free agency, the Jazz are
Speaker 1: an intriguing team. Now they feel like everything is on
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. We'll see how good the quarterback is. I
Speaker 1: still don't know where he stacks up in the pecking order.
Speaker 1: But defensively, this was a really good defense last year.
Speaker 1: I think they'll continue to be a defense that kind
Speaker 1: of challenges the rest of the rivals. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: at Bucky Kat did a great job on those because
Speaker 1: I think that everybody had some momentum in a draft.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at what the Eagles,
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles did it throughout the draft where
Speaker 1: the football team was like the first four picks, the Giants,
Speaker 1: the first three picks. You know, the Cowboys had a
Speaker 1: little up and down to him. But I think as
Speaker 1: a whole the division it got a little better. Some
Speaker 1: teams were very talent poor obviously you look at the record,
Speaker 1: but for the football team to add another defensive piece
Speaker 1: with jam and Davis there, and they didn't have a
Speaker 1: left tackle, We'll see what Cosmi could do at left
Speaker 1: tackle there, because that's a position they haven't they haven't
Speaker 1: exactly replaced, you know, some of the losses they've had.
Speaker 1: So but man, I mean that I think the football
Speaker 1: team add and jam at Davis is a is a big, big,
Speaker 1: big play there. And I'll be quickly so we get
Speaker 1: to another question. But the one team in this division
Speaker 1: that has a winning quarterback is dak is the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott. One thing that jumps out at me
Speaker 1: about this division is looking around is like the clearly
Speaker 1: the team with the quarterback is the Cowboys. There's no
Speaker 1: excuses for not making the playoffs next year. No. I
Speaker 1: love that KT very well said. Yeah, Bi, Bucky, win
Speaker 1: into division should be win into division should be the standard,
Speaker 1: like they should be able to win the division. He
Speaker 1: had the best quarterback head and shoulders above the other guys.
Speaker 1: I would say that the Washington football team, and my
Speaker 1: mind got worse because with Ryan Fitzpatrick, more turnovers are
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Like, I know, we love his magic, he
Speaker 1: is going to turn the ball over. Jalen Hurts stepping
Speaker 1: up his second year, first full season as a starter,
Speaker 1: what does that look like? And then dandah, this has
Speaker 1: kind of been up and down to me. Quarterback play
Speaker 1: typically signals who is going to win a division. Deck
Speaker 1: Rosscott is clearly the best quarterback. Now it's about making
Speaker 1: sure that the defense gets to the middle of the pack,
Speaker 1: because the offense should be a top five offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the football teams used to having quarterbacks on their defense.
Speaker 1: He's used to having players with turnovers, so and they
Speaker 1: still go out there and play. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: one thing about Fitzpatrick. He could throw five interceptions one
Speaker 1: day and the next day he's going to throw six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the kind of thing that you kind
Speaker 1: of ride with. But at least he has a defense
Speaker 1: that can fail him out when they if they have
Speaker 1: some of those games where he's not really on part.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you guys in your assessment of
Speaker 1: the NFC East drafts, and Brian, you talked about how
Speaker 1: so many of those Philadelphia picks where in your top
Speaker 1: one ninety. I mean out of the seven picks or
Speaker 1: excuse me out of that, what is that one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 1: nine picks? Seven of them were in my top one
Speaker 1: ninety and five were in my top one ten. So
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I think Philadelphia had a
Speaker 1: great draft. It's crazy to think because of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of disappointment I think around this draft from at
Speaker 1: least media personnel and people that we've worked with. But
Speaker 1: like you guys said, in terms of executing what you
Speaker 1: wanted to do for the Cowboys, I would put them
Speaker 1: as the second best draft. I don't really like New
Speaker 1: York's Tony's a really good player. Eikenberg's a really good player.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, I wasn't super impressed with the Giants,
Speaker 1: and then with Washington. Sure, they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: potential there with jam and Davis and Samuel Cosme and
Speaker 1: Benjamin Saint Juice, But ultimately there's only two or three
Speaker 1: of those guys that I think are really top level
Speaker 1: draft prospects that get me at least even more so
Speaker 1: excited about Washington. I don't get excited about Washington, but
Speaker 1: if I were too, that would be the only a
Speaker 1: couple of players to do. So I'll tell you Washington,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about a late pick at
Speaker 1: pick two forty six at will Bradley King from Baylor,
Speaker 1: that's kind of an interesting player there. If you talk
Speaker 1: about guys at high effort, high motor, get after you
Speaker 1: type of a guy. So you never know, man, some
Speaker 1: of these guys were not focusing on in the Day three.
Speaker 1: You know, it could the same thing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, Quentin behind and could be like a great
Speaker 1: nose tackle for the Cowboys this season, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as helping those linebackers and clocking some things up
Speaker 1: in the middle. So those day threes, we call it
Speaker 1: the day of the scouts. You know, maybe some scouts
Speaker 1: came through for some of these teams. I love it.
Speaker 1: Final question for Twitter on the twenty this season, and
Speaker 1: it comes from a loyal listener, Jake, who first off,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say thanks to all of you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. Three analysts tagged you guys in
Speaker 1: it as well. Said second tone, he's He said, it's
Speaker 1: a bittersweet day as the draft show going dark for
Speaker 1: a couple of months, but football is right around the corner,
Speaker 1: so he wanted to say thank you. But his question
Speaker 1: was how many of the eleven draft picks would you
Speaker 1: guess make the fifty three man roster? You think you
Speaker 1: have a number on maybe how many of those guys
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could be employee come this fall. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna go one and Parsons two, and Joe said
Speaker 1: you're gonna go three. Um, jibbro Cox See how I
Speaker 1: sheffle it and made Jim bro Cox pick seventy five instead?
Speaker 1: Oh did you? Zoo? Wa is in especially seeing that
Speaker 1: they cut Antoine Woods. Obviously, Chauncey Golston is in as
Speaker 1: a rotational defensive lineman. So there's five the Sean Wright.
Speaker 1: You know, they keep in mind that practice squad numbers
Speaker 1: are gonna be up, and he might be it. He
Speaker 1: might be a stash guy, and maybe they don't view
Speaker 1: him that way just because I do. Uh Semi Fihoko
Speaker 1: he could help him on special teams. But they still
Speaker 1: have Cedrick Wilson. He could be a stash guy on
Speaker 1: the on the on the practice squad, Josh Ball. You know,
Speaker 1: they signed a swing tackle. I don't think he'd really
Speaker 1: need I think he could be a stash guy as well.
Speaker 1: So five, I think bo Hannah makes the roster. So
Speaker 1: there's six. I think they find a way to get
Speaker 1: Mukuamu on the field because of his versatility, the ability
Speaker 1: to play multiple positions. So it's a big number, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say seven out of the out of the eleven, right,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the thing about Yeah, Fahuko is the
Speaker 1: one that I'm interested because that might be the replacement
Speaker 1: for you know, Stephen Jones has kind of got this
Speaker 1: us all kind of thinking about the salary cap and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Cedric Wilson's a two million dollar player,
Speaker 1: what's Noah Brown gonna be on this team. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing with Simmi, he could play special teams. That's
Speaker 1: a big box. That's a six four two twenty two
Speaker 1: pound guy that runs four four three, you know, and
Speaker 1: I really love the pick. At the time. I talked
Speaker 1: to a team yesterday about him. They were pissed off
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys jumped there up there and got him.
Speaker 1: They were like positioning themselves to grab him. But I
Speaker 1: think Kat's onto something. And here we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with Riot. I think what's gonna be really sad is
Speaker 1: there's gonna be so much fus on him and this
Speaker 1: when we get to Oxnard, it's gonna be like every
Speaker 1: time that he has a one on one rep and
Speaker 1: it doesn't go well, and it's gonna be guys like
Speaker 1: me standing on the sidelines going, well, you know what
Speaker 1: they told us these little in corners, and they told
Speaker 1: us about windows, and they told us about all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, he's probably going to be the most scrutinized
Speaker 1: player out there, and everyone'll say, whoa, WHOA brought us?
Speaker 1: What about Parsons? What about you know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do with Parsons. They're gonna play to his strings. They're
Speaker 1: gonna let him rush the passer. That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: They're gonna let him come down hill. They're gonna let
Speaker 1: him rush the passer. They'll play to his strings. They'll
Speaker 1: play to Cox's strings as well. That's what they'll do.
Speaker 1: They'll find a way to put him in coverage. They
Speaker 1: won't put him around the ball where he has to
Speaker 1: make a bunch of tackles. You know, that's just kind
Speaker 1: of I can kind of vision. I have a little vision,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to see. But the thing
Speaker 1: with right, that's the one that I think the critical
Speaker 1: eye is always going to be focused on him every
Speaker 1: single practice. And I hope the kid is mentally tough
Speaker 1: enough to handle it, because there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of stories written about him as we go through these
Speaker 1: training camp and these OTA practices as we get started
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. Yeah, I think it's a good observation.
Speaker 1: Brian knows a little bit better than me when it
Speaker 1: comes to teams. Some teams will not cut their draft picks,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know if the Cowboys are one
Speaker 1: that kind of hoard their draft picks to give them
Speaker 1: every opportunity to make the team. But with the expanded
Speaker 1: rosters on practice squad, I would think that I think
Speaker 1: eight of the eleven are going to be around and
Speaker 1: some capacity. I do believe when you listen to Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones hint around the fact that we would like most
Speaker 1: of our draft picks to make the team. From an
Speaker 1: economical standpoint, it makes sense. You pointed out the receivers
Speaker 1: that are commanding. It doesn't appear to be big money
Speaker 1: in the biggest scheme of thing, but for backups two
Speaker 1: million dollars from Cedril Wilson, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: If you can slide in another cheaper option, a rookie
Speaker 1: receiver on a rookie contract, you want to do that.
Speaker 1: Some of the dbs that are kind of hanging around,
Speaker 1: French players that haven't necessarily popped, that are veterans, man,
Speaker 1: you've replaced those guys out with the young players. I
Speaker 1: think in some capacity, eight of these guys are going
Speaker 1: to be around. And I'm more optimistic about Nushine right
Speaker 1: being around and on the roster because when you take
Speaker 1: him into third round, man, it's hard to move on
Speaker 1: from third rounds to unless he just absolutely flops well,
Speaker 1: I know, but let's let's be honest here too. And
Speaker 1: I just wrote down in my notes. You know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, Bucky. You know this better than anybody.
Speaker 1: Some of these players need sponsors. And if your sponsors
Speaker 1: no longer in the building, to kind of to kind
Speaker 1: of take care of things. Think about Tristan Hill, think
Speaker 1: about think about Neville Gallimore, think about Bradley a Nie.
Speaker 1: Where does Bradley and I fit a three fourth front?
Speaker 1: Can you make him a stand up outside linebacker? What
Speaker 1: about Robinson the corner safety? There might be some kids
Speaker 1: that they've taken in the last two years that never
Speaker 1: play a down for the Dallas Cowboys that we that
Speaker 1: like meaningful downs. And we're talking about guys that were
Speaker 1: taking you know, third, fourth, fifth round. So if you
Speaker 1: don't you know, when you start talking about a roster,
Speaker 1: and how do you get eleven players on. Take a
Speaker 1: few veterans off, and if some of these young kids
Speaker 1: that we really didn't draft aren't what we think, watch
Speaker 1: for those kids to move to Man, if you don't
Speaker 1: have a stomach, you could catch trouble on this roster.
Speaker 1: I think it's telling Antoine Woods already removed like, so
Speaker 1: if they can get him, because I thought he played
Speaker 1: pretty well at times last year when he had a
Speaker 1: chance to get on the field and do some stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever. So if they can move off from him,
Speaker 1: You're already talking about Tristan Hill, He's talking about Riggie
Speaker 1: Robinson in Jeoffardy. I mean, you're talking about some of
Speaker 1: these other guys. Like it could be a full reshuffling
Speaker 1: of the deck on defense because as dan Quinn comes
Speaker 1: in and as he feels empowered to do so, this
Speaker 1: defense is going to be his defense, full of guys
Speaker 1: that he deems to be his kind of guys. It's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but that is what's going to happen. I expect them
Speaker 1: to be able to move off of some of these prospects,
Speaker 1: these draft picks in the last few years. I don't
Speaker 1: think it could have been put any better from you guys, specifically,
Speaker 1: because I think there is a notice on that side
Speaker 1: of the football that says nobody's job is safe right now,
Speaker 1: and the draft showed that with eight different draft picks
Speaker 1: that are on the defensive side, you're saying that, hey,
Speaker 1: nobody's job is safe. Stephen Jones has said it specifically
Speaker 1: and press conference, is wanting to replace some of these players,
Speaker 1: some of these guys that aren't necessarily cheaper on that
Speaker 1: side of the football. You're gonna see a lot of that.
Speaker 1: And even with that, there's gonna be growth from this
Speaker 1: draft pack, with this draft class as well. No Sean
Speaker 1: Wright specifically, Katie, I know you said that he could
Speaker 1: be a stash guy. I don't know if I see
Speaker 1: him being a stash guy. I could see him being
Speaker 1: a red shirt almost being one of those guys they
Speaker 1: grow into the position, give them an adjustment period to
Speaker 1: the NFL, almost like what we saw from Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: last year, but without the position switch. And I think
Speaker 1: that might be something we see from Nashan, right. I
Speaker 1: think as a top one hundred pick, you're expected to play.
Speaker 1: I think you're expected to make the roster, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, there's going to be an adjustment process,
Speaker 1: I think from him specifically. So there's a lot to
Speaker 1: look for whenever we get to training camp and OTA's
Speaker 1: coming up in the next couple of weeks, let's go
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Speaker 1: part of this past weekend in the twenty twenty one
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Speaker 1: on one oh five three the Fan, Kevin Turner, We've
Speaker 1: got Bucky Brooks, we got Brian broad As, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeomen's four the final time this season here in episode
Speaker 1: forty seven. We asked this question on Tuesday, So Brian,
Speaker 1: you may not want to answer it again, but Bucky
Speaker 1: will start with you. What was your favorite pick and
Speaker 1: what are you going to remember about the twenty one
Speaker 1: draft whenever you look back at the season. That was
Speaker 1: man first thing looking back on the draft and the season,
Speaker 1: it was I think this was the most volative draft
Speaker 1: that we've ever been associated with. I think the lack
Speaker 1: of think tank. I think Will McClay even talked about
Speaker 1: like guys not being around. It's probably it's probably the
Speaker 1: purest draft that we've seen in sometimes because guys really
Speaker 1: had the trust to take and when you trust to tape,
Speaker 1: typically you make better decisions than not. And so I'll
Speaker 1: remember that in terms of my favorite pick, Like look
Speaker 1: to me, I think the Parsons pick is my favorite
Speaker 1: because this was literally taking the best player available. And
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot of conversation about need
Speaker 1: and those things and what do you need should you
Speaker 1: get the corner and that, but I think taking the
Speaker 1: best defender is going to pay off because coming back
Speaker 1: in the second round and being able to get Joseph,
Speaker 1: he's a big time player and I think if he
Speaker 1: can kind of clean up the disciplinary issues on the field,
Speaker 1: he has a chance to be a really solid player.
Speaker 1: And I think they'll go two for two with those picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my favorite pick was probably Jabril Cox at one fifteen.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was extremely good value on Day
Speaker 1: three and I know that maybe you know kind of obvious,
Speaker 1: I will say I was covering the whole draft. My
Speaker 1: favorite picking the entire draft was pick eighty five the
Speaker 1: Packers getting Amari Rodgers. Why would your quarterback ever bitch
Speaker 1: about anything like you have Davante Adams and you have, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, have like the Buck tr They're spending money
Speaker 1: around you and they've given you a lot of money,
Speaker 1: Like why would you you went to two straight championship.
Speaker 1: I don't understand, Like, I just can we have Can
Speaker 1: we have some competitive spirit in this world? Can we say?
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't care that they took a kid.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat him out. He'll never play here and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here a long time. Have some competitive spirit.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is to me, this is Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: going It's never gonna work out in Oklahoma City, so
Speaker 1: I'll go join the best team in NBA history. But
Speaker 1: the Warriors have some effing competitive spirit in your life?
Speaker 1: You know. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying
Speaker 1: that and the draft to me, though, what it really
Speaker 1: comes down to, it's amazing to me that a team
Speaker 1: like the Eagles are like, you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: guess we are gonna do the Jalen Hurts thing, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna actually try this, like they have a chance
Speaker 1: to just take justin fields like they could have done that.
Speaker 1: To me, though, it's just fun to do that, and
Speaker 1: it's fun to interact with all the people, the people
Speaker 1: on Twitter most of the time or nice, the people
Speaker 1: that send in questions, the Stephen Thomases and the Jakes,
Speaker 1: and hell, I'll say it, even the mister snappy comebacks
Speaker 1: of the world whatever. They send in questions because that's
Speaker 1: it's CRUs Yeah, they listen and they watch each week
Speaker 1: and and and they they ask us questions, and you know,
Speaker 1: they show us a million mock drafts. Bike. I love
Speaker 1: that the intensity, the intensity around the draft never gets old,
Speaker 1: and the action and I'm just thrilled to be a
Speaker 1: part of it because the Draft Show, to me, is
Speaker 1: a is an institution. Um, It's absolutely that is a
Speaker 1: It's a in this time of year, people know, Hey,
Speaker 1: the Draft Show's going to be here right with the
Speaker 1: season's over. Sometimes that the team is bad even before
Speaker 1: the season's over, And that's an awesome thing. It's fun
Speaker 1: to look forward to crap every single year, you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun to look forward to stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: I look forward to the NC Double A Tournament. God knows,
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to September and basketball happening. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's all about the action. Boston, Huh. I just am
Speaker 1: happy and thrilled to be a part of it. If
Speaker 1: you would have asked me when I was you know,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever age you wanted to get to work
Speaker 1: with Bucky Brooks, I need to work with with a
Speaker 1: Brian broad Us. I'm older than Kyle, so I can't
Speaker 1: say you guys, but like, like it's it's incredible and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just it's happy. I'm I'm happy and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And I love you guys. Appreciate,
Speaker 1: appreciate you know what's so funny? Yet you know it's
Speaker 1: so funny about what Kat just did. Like I was
Speaker 1: standing on the practice field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and
Speaker 1: maybe Bucky was standing on a practice field in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Kat's on the fits outside, like looking through the fits,
Speaker 1: like watching his team, and he just went on an
Speaker 1: epic Packer rant there. And I appreciate that, Kat, I
Speaker 1: really really do that. You appreciate you feel so strongly
Speaker 1: about the Packers as your team that you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna call your quarterback back out. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that about you. He clown, he has been a clown,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, brought us. I know I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: He's validating all of the rules with I'm here, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, I'm hearing it. I'm hearing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, And to can I just
Speaker 1: real quick, I'll let go. If you didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance on Tuesday, I said goodbyes on this stuff too,
Speaker 1: And you know, and I always I go all the
Speaker 1: way back to like the Ed k Hill days, and
Speaker 1: you know, and and when we were talking about that,
Speaker 1: he's kind of like Ed. I remember Ed going, do
Speaker 1: you think anybody cares about the NFL Draft? And I
Speaker 1: kind of look at him like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you look at mel Kuyper. It
Speaker 1: seems pretty popular. You know. Maybe he goes, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about doing this podcast, just giving us another show, give
Speaker 1: us something else to talk about. And and I didn't
Speaker 1: initially see his vision. I really didn't. I'm like, man, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to do this, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do that in order to make it work.
Speaker 1: But what's so funny is the more you got into it,
Speaker 1: the more you wanted to make it work, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you started adding people again. Dame Brugler, the
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, you know, Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, Dave Hellman.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just became this this thing, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got fans, and you know,
Speaker 1: initially it was thinking about Dallas Cowboy fans. Let's talk
Speaker 1: to the Cowboy fans. But then it became like a
Speaker 1: worldwide thing for fans of all teams. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I'm really the most proud about.
Speaker 1: When I look at the Draft show and the work
Speaker 1: that we've done. I just look at the fans of
Speaker 1: the Lions, the Buccaneers, the forty nine Ers, the Giants,
Speaker 1: people like that that watch our show because they trust
Speaker 1: what we're saying about these players and they feel better
Speaker 1: connected to their own team that way. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I I say this in real and sinceria. I thank
Speaker 1: you guys out there for being a part of this.
Speaker 1: I thank my teammates for being a part of this.
Speaker 1: I thank the Jones family for having a lot of
Speaker 1: faith in us. I thank Derek Eagleton for keep pushing
Speaker 1: the envelope on this thing, because this is really, like
Speaker 1: Katie's talking about, It's become a little bit of institution
Speaker 1: that every year you know, you're gonna get draft coverage,
Speaker 1: and just like Katie gave his speech about the Packers,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some passionate speeches on this about players,
Speaker 1: and I think that better educates folks. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm so happy about the Draft Show and that we're
Speaker 1: able to bring it, you know, every week, you know,
Speaker 1: up till the draft, and then our draft coverage as well.
Speaker 1: It really is a ton of fun, and the fans
Speaker 1: at home make it fun. And I completely echo exactly
Speaker 1: what you just said, Brian, because looking down and seeing
Speaker 1: the tweets and seeing the comments, and everybody's saying I've
Speaker 1: watched since twenty thirteen, You oh, I've been. I haven't
Speaker 1: missed the episode since twenty eighteen. All of those out
Speaker 1: there that just stick through every minute of draft coverage,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd call you crazy pretty much bat the
Speaker 1: end of every one of our draft coverages, because if
Speaker 1: you're listening at two fifty five pick two fifty five
Speaker 1: on Day three, you've got a little screw loose, kind
Speaker 1: of like we do when it comes to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: We definitely resonate with that. So thank you everybody who
Speaker 1: has listened, who has made the Draft Show possible by
Speaker 1: your views, by your shares, by your comments and your
Speaker 1: questions all season long. We couldn't have had forty seven
Speaker 1: episodes without you guys out there being such a strong
Speaker 1: part of it. We couldn't have done it without everybody
Speaker 1: in the back as well. Chris Aaron, who did hours
Speaker 1: and hours and hours of work in preparation getting up
Speaker 1: to the draft and then even afterwards of really just
Speaker 1: getting everything together and providing some really really good production value.
Speaker 1: Matt Kent, Doug Branch, Madison Kate and Alex Derek Eagleton,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Nick Eatman, everybody who has been a
Speaker 1: part of this. It has really been a ton of
Speaker 1: fun in a year that nobody will ever forget. And
Speaker 1: I said this on Tuesday, I'll say it again today.
Speaker 1: Let's not start this thing in jail in December again
Speaker 1: next year. Let's try and get into the off season
Speaker 1: first and then start talking about some NFL draft. But Bucky,
Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of it this year. We
Speaker 1: got we got to talk with you last year, and
Speaker 1: it really was different this year getting you on every
Speaker 1: week in a part of the Draft Show. You are
Speaker 1: are Kevin Durant, you're an MVP caliber player who might
Speaker 1: hop around from time to time. But that's okay. You
Speaker 1: are telling the Kyle. But he's got some competitive spirit though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, he's will compete. Yeah, I got number
Speaker 1: seven on him. He'll go compete. Yeah, oh about seven.
Speaker 1: Oh now, it's a lot of fun. It was. It
Speaker 1: was really great, um being on with you guys, because
Speaker 1: I will say this, Um Katie didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to shut up Jeff and Dane Brian, Like I think
Speaker 1: for me, it is really great to not only have
Speaker 1: these conversations, but to be challenged on your opinions and
Speaker 1: on your views and to stretch yourself as a scout.
Speaker 1: I think that's really really important, And at a time
Speaker 1: where some people don't like to hear that, I really
Speaker 1: welcome to debate because I think if you're going to
Speaker 1: be the best at what it is that we all
Speaker 1: want to do, I think you have to be able
Speaker 1: to step outside yourself and see it in other prisms.
Speaker 1: And I think you guys have given me what forty
Speaker 1: something episodes to be able to kind of challenge my
Speaker 1: thought process forty something because I didn't make them all
Speaker 1: so forty something, so no, I think it's great, and
Speaker 1: I think it's great, and I look forward to doing
Speaker 1: it again and again. It was a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, Katie. Great work is always Brian.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure like it is every year, Flucky as
Speaker 1: fun as it has been at We look at having
Speaker 1: you again in the future. But for everybody I just
Speaker 1: mentioned a moment ago and these three fantastic analysts will
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