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Her husband of three months, Louis Bennett, 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: claimed he was asleep below deck when their thirty seven 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: foot catamaran hid an object and Isabella fell overboard. He 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: told investigators when he awoke, Isabella was gone and the 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: boat was sinking, but prosecutors alleged Bennett killed his wife 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: and deliberately sank the boat to make it look like 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: a tragic accident. According to reports, the experienced voter did 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: not take any measures to signal his position, activate flares, 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: or call for help when he realized his wife was missing. Instead, 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: rescuers found him floating in a dinghy about one thousand 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: yards from the wreckage. Adding to suspicion was the Coastguard's 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: discovery of forty thousand dollars in stolen coins hidden on 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: Bennett's life raft. Despite an intense for day search, Isabella's 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: body was never found. The couple's ten month old daughter, Emilia, 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: was left with Isabella's family during the ill fated trip. 31 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: When Bennett arrived to pick up his daughter, Isabella's relatives 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: vehemently accused him of murder. That from our friends at 33 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Daily Mail TV, I Meancy Grace. This is crime stories. 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: What happened to a beautiful young mom? Is Sabella Hellman? 35 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: The irony catch this as this was their belated honeymoon 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: shrip oh. Yes, the husband delays the honeymoon and he 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: tells his wife he wants to take her on a 38 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: romantic catamaran cruise. Somehow, there's a boating accident. Then he 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: goes to sleep after the boating accident. He goes to sleep, 40 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: he here's a splash, wakes up. His wife's gone and 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: he's floating out in the water on a dinghy with 42 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: about forty thousand dollars worth of stolen coins and she's 43 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: quote missing. Joining me right now, Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 44 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 45 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Doctor Daniel Bober, forensics psychiatrist, Also with me, 46 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: juvenile judge, founder of Ashley Wilcott dot Com. Ashley Wilcott 47 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: right now to investigate. A reporter John Lemley with Crime 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: online dot Com. John Lemley, what happened? Well, this real 49 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: estate broker Isabella Isabella Hellman and her husband Louis Bennett. 50 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: As you've mentioned, they were on a two week long 51 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: trip starting from the Caribbean island of Saint Martin. They 52 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: were meant to travel first to Puerto Rico, then on 53 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: to Cuba, before finally coming back to Florida. A friend 54 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: of Hellman's says that the trip, as we've said, was 55 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: a belated honeymoon for the newly weds. Lewis Bennett reportedly 56 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: said that he was asleep below the deck of their 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: boat when he heard the vessel hit something, just before 58 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: he discovered that his wife was nowhere in sight. After 59 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: emerging topside, there was no trace of Hellman. She was 60 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: wearing a life vest when he last saw her, according 61 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: to Lewis Now. Hellman's sister has said that she spoke 62 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: with Hellman by way of a satellite phone just hours 63 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: before she was reported missing. She said, I'm in the 64 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: middle of the ocean right now. We left Cuba. She 65 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: said that she didn't tell her what time, but we 66 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: left Cuba and that's it. She said, I'll see you tomorrow. Well, 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. To Ashley Willcott, 68 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 1: you have a boating accident and then you go down 69 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: below in the catamaran to take a nap. What the 70 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: next thing you know, you wake up to a splash 71 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: and you managed to escape on a dinghy with forty 72 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars with a stolen coins, and your wife quote disappears. 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: Her body's never been found ever. So Nancy, that's where 74 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I to the money, right, follow the money. Money sucks, 75 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: rock and roll, all of the things that get involved 76 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: with these crimes. Once you have the money aspect of it. 77 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't buy the story at all. Yeah, it just stings. 78 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, renown forensic psychiatrist with us. I think 79 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: I can figure it out, Bober, but on my own 80 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: that whole adding thing too, plus two equals four. But 81 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: go ahead and weigh in, Bober. What a story this 82 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: guy's come up with. Yeah, Nancy O, the thing smells 83 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: really bad. But remember it's, you know, one of those 84 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: things where you know, it's very hard to prove, you know. 85 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: And I don't want to get into an argument with 86 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: you about this, but you know, forty thousand dollars, well, 87 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: then why are you here? Then? Why are you here? 88 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: You're not. I'm going to argue with you because what 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: you say is going to be totally wrong. Go ahead, 90 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is yet, but don't confuse 91 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: me with the facts. Forty thousand dollars in coins in 92 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: the dinghy does not necessarily prove that he killed her. Obviously, 93 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't look too good, but it's not a slammed 94 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: stolen coins. Stolen coin even stolen doesn't prove that he 95 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: killed her. I'm not saying that he didn't kill her, 96 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that it's just, you know, it 97 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: doesn't smell too good, but it's not proved. You know what, Baber, 98 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: you really beat all? You just beat all. Joe Goot 99 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Morgan Q please help me out. Oh well, I don't 100 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: know if I can or not. What I do know 101 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: is that we don't have a body at this point 102 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: in tom And you know, one of the curious things 103 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: about this case in my reading, is that, oh you 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: mean the body that was wearing the life jacket that 105 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: never pad. Is that you've got this this guy that 106 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: is essentially taking a few weeks below deck so that 107 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: he can sleep while they've been on this excursion. And 108 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: he's rated as a really high swimmer, and one of 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: the articles I read it, I read she's rated as 110 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: a very poor swimmer. And I'm thinking, why in the 111 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: world are you going to leave her in charge of 112 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: the boat in the middle, you know, in the middle 113 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: of this vastness out there, And you know, he claims 114 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: that they hit something, They just hit something, and she disappears, 115 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the botus can well, wait, wait, wait, 116 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: what did somebody release the kracking? Because they're out in 117 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean. What are they gonna hit, 118 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, I have no idea. A coral reef. 119 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: I don't know a bottle nudge, well, the great Cuban 120 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: coral reef. I've dived all over the world. I've never 121 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: heard of a coral reef out in the middle of 122 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: the ocean. Now, on the other side of Cuba, there's 123 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: good diving. There's no coral reef. You're gonna have to 124 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: go far, far away for that. Yeah. Now, so let's 125 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: let's revise you back to the kracking theory. Is that 126 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: what they hit? No, I don't know what they hit. 127 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: But he did say that the thing was foundering, and 128 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: he said he said. Ashley Wilcott says, when do we 129 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: start taking the husband's word for it? Oh? Yeah, I'm 130 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: sorry this case still. I don't mean to be so cynical. 131 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: I just think follow the money in this particular case 132 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: is where the facts are going to take it. Well, 133 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: speaking of money, John Limley, isn't it true that he 134 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: didn't have two dimes who rubbed together while she owned 135 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: a condo? And how to save his account? Am I wrong? 136 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: If you are exactly correct as far as their you 137 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: know their yearly budget went. It was heavily weighted in 138 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: her favor, with her being the money winner. Listen to 139 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the extraordinary sound being played at wp BF with Gianna 140 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: Cassetta as a police bodycam catches a heated confrontation between 141 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Isabella's sister and her husband. On May twenty eighth, twenty seventeen, 142 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: Louis Bennett went to his in law's home in Boca 143 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: Raton to collect items. As we're taken from his home. Yeah, 144 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I want to buy. No, why would you go ahead 145 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: and search the house? Do you have any of these things? 146 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't want anything. Bennett called the Boca Raton Police 147 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: Department for a civil assist. The officer's bodycam recorded the 148 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: heated exchange between Bennett and Isabella Hellman's family. If you 149 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: can I see sif can I see stiff? But now 150 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: a bizarre twist in the story of Isabella Hellman's disappearance, 151 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: leaving her family angry and bitter. The British smuggler was 152 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: taken Indo federal custody for transporting the stolen coins and 153 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: eventually charged with his wife's murder. Now, one month before 154 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: his trial, Lewis Bennett has pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter 155 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: after striking a shocking plea deal that sees the murder 156 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: charge against him dropped. What involuntary manslaughter the main charge 157 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: of second degree murder dropped. No wonder her family is distraught, bitter, 158 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: upset beside themselves. This young mom absolutely gorgeous Elisabella, Isabella 159 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Hellman disappears at sea. Her husband, forty one year old 160 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Louis Bennett, found floating peacefully in a dinghy with forty 161 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars of stolen coins stolen from his employer. The 162 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: source of anger because the husband is going to walk free. 163 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: Bottom line, Ashley Wilcot. In voluntary manslaughter in that jurisdiction 164 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: carries a max of eight years in this case. And 165 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: what this means is all he admitted was he did 166 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: a negligent act that led to her death. Eight years 167 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: and to top it all off, to add insult to injury, 168 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, his family, His family has the granddaughter, the 169 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: two year old little girl with them in the UK. 170 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: To top it all off, Ashley in voluntary manslaughter eight 171 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: years will probably walk in four exactly, Nancy, he got 172 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: a sweetheart deal. I mean that is one heck of 173 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: a plea who wouldn't take that of charge with murder because, 174 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: like you said, Nancy, he could be out in four 175 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: years for killing his wife. Murdering his wife. I feel 176 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: for that family of that wife because that would just 177 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: make me stick to my stomach every day. Listen to 178 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: this through their attorney. Isabella Hellman's family released a statement 179 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: saying Louis Bennett continues to cause them pain by keeping 180 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: his daughter from them. Today, prosecutors told the judge that 181 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Bennett's negligence and reckless disregard for human life caused Isabella's death. 182 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: The prosecutor said Bennett had Helman keep watch at the 183 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: helm of the boat with no experience, no life, has 184 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: no harness, and when she went missing, he did not 185 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: look for her at seat. Helmett's family says they hope 186 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: Bennett will show remorse for what he's done and allow 187 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: them to share his two year old daughter, Emilia, with 188 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: his family in England. That's where the child has been 189 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: for more than a year. The only thing that would 190 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: make this less bitter is if Emilia came back to 191 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: the United States and spend time with Isabella's family. You're 192 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: hearing from WPB if TV is Giannicaserta and you were 193 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: also hearing from the family lawyer talking about baby Emilia, 194 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: and apparently the source of the husband's anger was that 195 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: he no longer felt the same toward his wife after 196 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: she had the baby. Oh please, you know, and he 197 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: was furious over the spelling of the daughter's name. Emilia 198 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: was spelled E M I L I A. You know 199 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: what when I nearly died in childbirth? Okay, Lucy and 200 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: I nearly died on the spot, I changed Lucy's name. 201 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: It was going to be Halley after Halley's comment once 202 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: in a lifetime to Lucy, after my grandmother, who I 203 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: felt her presence with me during my delivery, and I 204 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: picked out John David's name, and David my husband. He 205 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: never said a word, not a word, doctor Daniel Bober, 206 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: as he should not have, I might add, it wasn't 207 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: him lying there losing blood. It was mommy, okay, which 208 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: I like to point out the twins whenever they argue 209 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: with many. Okay. But it's starting to lose effect, doctor Bober, 210 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: because I now say who nearly died in childbirth? They 211 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: oh you, mom, you you nearly Sadly, it's worn off. 212 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: I've got to come up with something new. My point is, 213 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: what does he have to be upset about or no 214 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: longer loved her after she had the baby, he didn't 215 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: quote feel the same. I totally agree with you, Dancy. 216 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: I always laugh when you know you're talking to a 217 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: couple and the man says, we're pregnant. I just want 218 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: to be like, we're pregnant, you're pregnant, or she's pregnant. 219 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's unfortunately something that the woman has to 220 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: experience and has to bear the brunt of the pregnancy 221 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: and the labor and all the health stuff that goes 222 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: with that. You know what's interesting to Joseph Scott Morgan 223 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: and you keep saying there's no proof. There's no proof, 224 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I know you make your living on hard 225 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: forensic evidence, but have you ever heard the term circumstantial evidence? Yeah, 226 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: I've come across it a few times. Nancy. Yeah, Okay, 227 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: good to know, because circumstantial evidence under the law is 228 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: given the same weight as direct evidence, such as an eyewitness, 229 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: a DNA or a fingerprint. Okay, the same weight under 230 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: the law in every jurisdiction in this country, including our territories. 231 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: So long story short, you may not be able to 232 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: figure it out because you don't have your fingerprint kent 233 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: out there, and you're not getting touch a DNA off 234 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: her body which has never been found. But in my 235 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: mind I can still add two plus two and I'm 236 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: getting four. And now he plays guilty too in voluntary 237 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: and gets eight years. I mean, you know, John Limley 238 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: on eight years and are crowded jailhouse. He'll probably walk 239 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: in four four four years. And Jackie here in the 240 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: studio keeps going, what about the coins? Why are you 241 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: obsessed with the coins? Why do you care about the 242 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: co This woman is dead? John? Do you just please answer? 243 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Didn't he get like seven months on the coins? Exactly 244 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: on that there? Jackie? Are you happy he got seven 245 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: months for the stolen coins? Okay? So can we get 246 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: back to the murder. The original charge that he was 247 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: facing before his plea was second degree murder. In court documents, 248 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: investigators pointed to what we've already said a predictable motive, 249 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: the money and property that Hellman brought to the marriage, 250 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: backed by Bennett filing for a presumptive death certificate just 251 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: four months after her disappearance in Florida there's a presumption 252 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: of death after five years, so I'm sure it was 253 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: him leading the crusade to have her declared dead. Her 254 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: family now quote bitter. The case ended in a cheap 255 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: plea Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and veteran trial lawyer, Ashley, 256 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: you can prove a murder case without body. Why should 257 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: this guy get a gold star for getting rid of 258 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: her body? So I agree with you. Circumstantial evidence obviously 259 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: can be enough to prove charges. You don't need the body. 260 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: The problem, probably that prosecution decided was their problem was 261 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: we are going to save money. We are going to 262 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: not try this case. We are not going to take 263 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: that risk of not having a body. Instead, we're going 264 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: to give him this plea. I'm not saying I agree 265 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: with it because he could be out and four, which 266 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: is devastating. I just think that's the choice that District 267 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: Attorney's office made in this case. Instead of trying to 268 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: prove circumstantial evidence, they gave him a sweetheart deal. Well, 269 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: maybe I'm missing something. Let me go pick on Joe 270 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,119 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan for a moment, forensics expert, professor of forensics, 271 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My fate on Amazon. Let 272 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: me understand this, Joe Scott. So he leaves the catamaran 273 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: on a life raft that's packed with supplies and all 274 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: the stolen coins. He is the experienced sailor. He is 275 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: the one that after the first boating accident, I guess 276 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: that's when he hit the kraken, he decides to go 277 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: downstairs and go to sleep, and that the sounds of 278 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: either a splash or sails loose flapping in the wind 279 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: woke him up. He goes upstairs and she's gone, and 280 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: now he can't quite remember if he called out her 281 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: name to look for her or not. So you're telling me, 282 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, that that's not enough to take to a jury. Oh, 283 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: you can take it to a jury. I think that 284 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: it is compelling. But you know, you know human nature 285 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: well enough to know that they want to see a body. 286 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: And I think that the DA the prosecutor here, has 287 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: made a choice. Well, maybe I'm not understanding that the 288 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: nature of water. Because she just fell off with a 289 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: life raft on with a safety vest on. Wouldn't she 290 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: just be floating right there? I mean, aren't that? Isn't 291 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: that what safety vest or for? Yeah? Yeah, and yeah, 292 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: but she was it was she she wasn't and uh, 293 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: they're never going to find her body, not out in 294 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: that vastness and not at the bottom of the ocean, 295 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: way down by cement blocks. I guess not take a 296 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: listen to this. This video shows Isabella's mother pleading with 297 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: her son in law not to take her granddaughter, Emilia, 298 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: who was sitting in the backseat of the car. One point, 299 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: she even collapses to the ground. Are you doing already kills? 300 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: What else you want? Now? You want to kill my mom? 301 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: That's right now? You on now. The incident came just 302 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: thirteen days after Isabella vanished at sea during a boating 303 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: trip with her husband. Bennett is charged with second degree 304 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: murder in connection with her death. At one point, the 305 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: office or suggests Bennett allow the family to see Amelia 306 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: take off. That's say, I mean, if you want to 307 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: let them see the baby one more time, that that 308 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: would be quite a good will, you know what I'm saying. 309 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I'll stick around. If you want to let them hold 310 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: a baby for a few minutes, I definitely another right. 311 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: Then it denies the request, gets in the car and 312 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: drives off with his daughter. That was from wp B 313 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: FTV and as far as I'm concerned to Louis Bennett, 314 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: rot in Hell. Hi, Nancy Grace here, have you ever 315 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: Googled yourself, your neighbors, somebody at work a crush? Fifty 316 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: seven percent of Americans admitt keeping an eye on their 317 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: own online reputation. Forty six admit to using the Internet 318 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: to look up somebody from their past. 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Go to truthfinder dot 328 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: com forward slash Nancy right away to start searching truthfinder 329 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: dot com forward slash Nancy Truthfinder dot com forward slash Nancy. 330 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: Find the truth crime stories with Nancy Grace. But the 331 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: vehicle trying to look past this thing that's between us 332 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: wondering when all this angle fade, the stars look the 333 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: same for where we're standing, Why can't we fix this 334 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: mess we've made. Let's not forget that our fade stars 335 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: one just because we feel numb and the train there 336 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: is There must be something, got somethings to train you 337 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: and me? There is hot we must try heref we 338 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: come reverdars of my life. Side by side. You are 339 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: hearing the most beautiful song and it actually brought tears 340 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: to my eyes. That is called line in the Sand. 341 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you 342 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: for being with us right now. I'm not talking about 343 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: murder in Mayhem. I am talking about something wonderful and beautiful. 344 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: That song, now adopted by Uni Seth, means so much 345 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: to me because it was written by a beautiful young girl, 346 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: a very dear friend of mine, Greer Baxter, and it 347 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: is being sung you probably recognize that voice by Broadway 348 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: star of Hamilton, Mandy Gonzalez, and right now both of 349 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: them are with me. That is incredible. You are a 350 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: university's student, and you know when I read the news, 351 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: I'm always looking at Oh there's been another frat party 352 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: where there is this drunken incida. This happened, that happened. You, 353 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: on the other hand, have written this incredible music. Tell 354 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: me what motivated you? Where did you get the idea 355 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: for Line in the Sand? Well, thank you so much 356 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: for having us on Nancy's I'm honored to be here 357 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: with Mandy. Also, the title Line in the Sand refers 358 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: to the symbolic border between two countries, but also the 359 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: fact that this conflict and disagreement between people is something 360 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: that we as people have sort of drawn up ourselves, 361 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: and it can easily be erased as as a line 362 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: in the sand, And it also means a point beyond 363 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: which one will not go. And so I titled the 364 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: song that because they're already irreversible consequences to what has 365 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: taken place, and it really has to stop, you know, 366 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Greer Baxter with me, Greer, I'm trying to imagine you 367 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: writing these lyrics. You wrote the lyrics, you wrote the 368 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: music and the words. Where were you when you wrote 369 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: this song? What were you on a bus? Were you 370 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: in your bedroom, were you in the bathtub? Where were you? 371 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: So it was actually during mid term exams at college, 372 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: but so I locked myself in the music room that's 373 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: in the basement of my dorm for about thirty six 374 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: hours until the song was finished and ready to send 375 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: to the producer. And I really didn't leave because once 376 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: you leave one of those rooms there, you're not getting 377 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: back in. And so I had and I had already 378 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: really been immersing myself in all of the news related 379 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: to the issue. And but the song is about the 380 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: human element of the issue, which is sadly often overshadowed 381 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: by politics. And I wrote the song. I know that 382 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about the wall and what's going on at 383 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: our border with Mexico right now. And you know what, guys, 384 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: whether you are the wall or anti the wall, there 385 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: is no doubt that people are suffering. I don't know 386 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the answer, but I know people are suffering. And I 387 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: was thinking about that the other night. I had cooked 388 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: supper and we were all gathering around the table, you know, Greer, 389 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: my mom lives with us now, and I was just 390 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: thinking how blessed we were. And it was turkey hot dogs. 391 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: The children were so excited they were having turkey hot dogs, 392 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, how so many people have 393 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: so little. Also with me along with Greer Baxter, and 394 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to play some more of this incredible song. 395 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: Lyne in the Sand is superstar on Broadway, Mandy Gonzales. 396 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: You know, Mandy. In my world, all lawyers think their stars, 397 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: I guess, but you're the real deal. Mandy Gonzalez starring 398 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: in Hamilton. Mandy, your career is incredible and you're so young. 399 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: You've been of course, you were at Nina Rozario off Broadway. 400 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: You've been in so many productions. How did you find 401 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: out about Greer, that there is a Greer Baxter in 402 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: the world, and that she had created this incredible song. 403 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much for your your kind words, 404 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: and I'm so honored to be here with you, Nancy 405 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: and with Greer. When I found out about Greer's song 406 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: because of a project that was brought to me called 407 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: Fandango at the Wall, which is an album that was 408 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: recorded at the border of Mexico and San Diego, and 409 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: it's an album that was done by Arturo Offerid and 410 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: Kabier Segal And they approached me with this and said, 411 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's a festival that happens every year at 412 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: the same place, and it is a festival that involved 413 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: musicians on both sides of the wall on the Mexican 414 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: side and on the American side, and they play together 415 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: through this, through this border that's there, and they create music. 416 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: And so what they wanted to do is film a 417 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: documentary and bring more musicians from both sides to the wall, 418 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: and they were going to record it, and they asked 419 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: me if I wanted to be part of it, and 420 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: because of my Mexican American heritage, because of my love 421 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: of family and children, I wanted to be a part 422 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: of it. And so when we were putting it together, 423 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: they approached me with two songs which are on the album, 424 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: A mortrifeme fronteras Love without Borders and a new song 425 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: by a new songwriter, and it was called Line in 426 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: the Sand. That's a career Baxter. Yes. And when I 427 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: heard this song, um, I said I have to sing it. 428 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: I thought that it said everything about what I felt, 429 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: the situation that's there represented. You know, I think that 430 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: so many people forget about the human aspect of this 431 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: hold on. I want to tell a little bit more 432 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: about Mandy Gonzalez because you may know her as a 433 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: Broadway star, you may know her as a TV star. 434 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: She's been in the Good Wife, Third watch Guiding why 435 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: Madam's Secretary. I mean she's been everywhere, but that she 436 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: didn't know this. Her father is Mexican, her mom Jewish 437 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and Polish. She went to high school in California. She 438 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: went to California Institute of the Arts. Then she worked 439 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: as a background singer for Bette Midler, and she moved 440 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: to New York, where she worked as a coach check 441 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: attendant while trying to get on stage. And I can 442 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: tell you a story about little Greer backstore, who's not 443 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: so little anymore. Her mom and I go way way back. 444 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: Her mom is a book editor, one of the best 445 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: in the business. And somehow our worlds collided. And I 446 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: remember seeing Greer, don't get embarrassed, Greer dancing around on 447 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: her den floor in her pj's, in front of the 448 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Christmas tree. And now that beautiful little thing has created this. 449 00:29:51,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: I want you to listen. There is something there is hard. 450 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: We must shine here if we talk fig far rest 451 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: of my life, side by side, stars look the same, 452 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: for we're standing. Why can't we fix dismiss we've made. 453 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Let's not forget that our fame stars one just because 454 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: we feel numb and the train Greer Baxter, Mandy Gonzalez 455 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: with me now and Nancy. You know that's also Career 456 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: on the piano playing as well. With our tutro. He 457 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: did a little solo, but that's Greer, um, that's Greer 458 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: behind me playing, which is fabulous true. Thank you for 459 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: adding that. I did know that I did that. I'm 460 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: gonna play the whole thing in a moment. But you two, 461 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Greer Baxter and Broadway star Mandy Gonzalez make me feel 462 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: like totally the ugly duckling. There's really no doubt about battle. 463 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, with all that talent, all that talent, Greer 464 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: and that talent, Amanda, your voice, you're acting together, the 465 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: two of you. Greer Baxter, what is your message today? 466 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: And again, this is not whether you want the wall 467 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: or you don't want the wall, or your pro Trump 468 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: or your anti Trump, It doesn't matter. This is about 469 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: people that are suffering. I don't know the answer, and 470 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't claim to know the answer, but I do 471 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: know I don't want people to suffer, especially children. Greer, 472 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: what is your message? With all the hours of work 473 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: you've poured into this beautiful song, what's your message? Well? 474 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: I think I think we can all agree and relate 475 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: to the desire to be safe and with our families 476 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: and for our families to be safe, and that's really 477 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: what is at the core of this issue, and everyone 478 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: deserves to feel save. Children should feel protected and not scared, 479 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: and loved ones shouldn't be separated. And where all human 480 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: beings were all the same, we all feel unhurt and 481 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: love no matter where we're from. And so that's really 482 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: what I would say. And all change comes out of awareness, 483 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: and every lacked counts, So everybody should be getting involved 484 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: and raising awareness. And really, you know what, career, When 485 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: you say that, I feel like that's a battle I've 486 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: been fighting for so many years on a completely different front, 487 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: trying to protect people. Mandy Gonzalez. This song has now 488 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: been adopted by Uni Seth. I can remember as a 489 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: little girl with those little cardboard boxes. Jackie Howard, do 490 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: you remember the little card I mean the paper boxes, really, 491 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: and you would go around and collect money for Uni Seth. 492 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: And now you guys have created this masterpiece and Union 493 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: has adopted it. Yes, and I think it's a tribute 494 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: also to where we come from. You know, we come 495 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: from very loving families, very loving mothers. I know my 496 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: mother back in the late sixties early seventies wanted to 497 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: join the Peace Corps and eventually that's how she met 498 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: my father, by writing letters to soldiers. So I think 499 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: that empathy I was taught at a very young age, 500 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: and I think that I just feel so proud that 501 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm a part of this album, that I'm a part 502 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: of this song, and that unisf has has taken it 503 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: as their own. And the hashtag is A child is 504 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: the child because a child is the child's and we 505 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: all no matter what side we're on, we're all in 506 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: the same side, which is the human side. So I 507 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: just I won't give up with hop Man. That is beautiful. 508 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: The way that you two are phrasing this is really 509 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: touching my heart. And you know, as we are all 510 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: gathered together at the holidays, many of us around our 511 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: table celebrating the season and all the love, let's don't 512 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: forget those less fortunate than we are. Greer Baxter and 513 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: Mandy Gonzalez with us. And there's really nothing more to 514 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: say except this, the line and the scent BA. But 515 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: trying to look past this thing that's between us, wondering 516 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: when all this angle fade. The stars look the same 517 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: for standing. Why can't we fix this mess we've made. 518 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: Let's not forget that our faints ours one just because 519 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: we feel numb and the train there is half. There 520 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: must be something God, something strong to train you and me. 521 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: There is hard. We must try if we talk Regre 522 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: out of doors of my life, side by sight, forever 523 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: you and me, we are stronger together hoping to find 524 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: a path to forgiveness going the pride always gets in 525 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: the way. We all want a place where it's safe 526 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: to be human, the welcome and brace of a brand 527 00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: new day. Let's not allow what we have to us 528 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: just because of what someone might say. There is love. 529 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: There must be something got to think strong between you 530 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: and me. There is hard. We must shine if we 531 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: don't figure out the rest of my life side by side, 532 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: for ever you and me we are stronger. There is hard. 533 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: There must be something got to think strong between you 534 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: and there is hot. We must shine here. You know 535 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: it's only fitting that with Greer and Mandy talking about 536 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: children who are suffering during this holiday season and year round, 537 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: so much less fortunate than we are, that my vision 538 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: of Greer Baxter is at Christmas dancing around the tree 539 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: in her pj's. There is there must be something, got 540 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: something sore. There is hot. We must shine here, wear 541 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: my life side by side pfver you and me, we 542 00:37:49,520 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: are stronger good. There is love. There are muss Nancy 543 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,