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Speaker 1: Previously on Crook County.

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Speaker 4: I got recruited into the mob when I was seventeen

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Speaker 1: Meet Kenny the kid Tequila.

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Speaker 5: I became a trusted member.

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Speaker 1: I ran whorehouses and I did his an enforcer for

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Speaker 1: the Chicago I.

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Speaker 5: Wanted him to know I meant fucking business here.

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Speaker 6: So I beat him, put the gun back up to

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Speaker 6: his forehead, and three of my boys come in.

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Speaker 1: He lived a secret double life for over twenty years.

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Speaker 4: I had a wife and I had two children. Nobody

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Speaker 4: knew anything. I didn't want anybody to know. I was

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Speaker 4: kind of embarrassed, and I wanted to keep them as

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Speaker 2: To have a good life.

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Speaker 1: How do you keep an entire life of crime away

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Speaker 1: from your friends, away from your family. It seems impossible,

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Speaker 1: but I know it's true because Kenny is my father,

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Speaker 1: and I had no idea about any of this until now.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kyle Tequila. Welcome to Crook County.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know if he was in the lab until

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Speaker 7: maybe twenty years after your days were born.

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Speaker 8: He was a fucking crazy bastard and that type of

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Speaker 1: You cannot control this. It is the devil.

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Speaker 6: It lays in wait for you, and it will take

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Speaker 6: you out at your weakest moments.

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Speaker 1: Episode two, The Ties that bind Us? Family? Has there

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Speaker 1: ever been a more loaded word? To some family means

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Speaker 1: unconditional love. It means security and support, tradition, values, acceptance, joy,

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Speaker 1: and spending the holidays together. It's the very foundation upon

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Speaker 1: which you are built. To some people, family means everything,

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Speaker 1: But to many others, family is just another four letter

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Speaker 1: word filled with pain, grief, and discontent. Family is something

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Speaker 1: you need to escape from, to shun, to forget. For

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Speaker 1: my father, family meant something else entirely On one hand,

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Speaker 1: boys who idolized him. It meant breaking the chain of

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Speaker 1: something pure, something good. But on the other hand, family

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Speaker 1: meant something far more sinister. His mafia family took him

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Speaker 1: It took away the anxieties of running away from home

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Speaker 1: things you never imagined possible, never in a million years,

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Speaker 1: and once you do them, it's all ready too late.

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Speaker 1: You're a prisoner to that family forever.

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Speaker 5: So my goal was to be a good provider, all right,

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Speaker 5: So my kids had every opportunity in the world that

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Speaker 5: to be a stay at home mom, to raise the family. Okay,

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Speaker 5: that was my goal, all right. I didn't want anybody

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Speaker 1: And for the most part he succeeded. We never knew

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Speaker 1: In fact, I have almost exclusively positive memories for my

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Speaker 1: by Me minus the dead body, sleepovers, paintball battles, baseball games,

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Speaker 7: My kids grew up happy.

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Speaker 1: That's my mom, Holly.

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Speaker 7: I worked part time, Ken worked as a firefighter paramedic,

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Speaker 7: two beautiful sons. We finally had a beautiful home in

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Speaker 1: We were lucky, at least that's how it felt back then.

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Speaker 1: But today things couldn't be any more different, and we

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Speaker 1: couldn't be any further apart. As soon as we could,

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Speaker 1: my brother and I moved away from home, me to

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Speaker 1: dad eventually moved away to leaving a trail of destruction

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Speaker 1: but sadness, anger, and unanswered questions. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I deserve this.

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Speaker 7: My life ended.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome everyone here to Chicago. With the bears.

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Speaker 1: Now for you're continued safety to think, give all them

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Speaker 1: folks you're gonna fall on, please remain see with them

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Speaker 1: stands and I flew to Chicago to visit my mom.

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Speaker 1: It's been years since I've been back, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: not looking forward to the conversation I'm about to have

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Speaker 2: Hey, hi, mom, you.

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Speaker 9: You look very cuddly.

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Speaker 10: A good outfit.

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Speaker 2: You are cuddly, that's true.

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Speaker 9: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Hi, he's not allowed in here.

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Speaker 7: You know this is a man freeze out.

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Speaker 2: I'll hang out.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I'll go back to Duncan Donuts. She lives in

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Speaker 1: The architecture, the furniture like it was pulled straight from

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Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy series catalog.

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Speaker 7: The last time was the one and only time other

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Speaker 10: Was it your mom's ninety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right?

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Speaker 7: When she said she's who introduced me to your father,

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Speaker 7: and the two of you went thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: And that's when I said.

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Speaker 7: You should be kissing my ask because if there were

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Speaker 1: I hold no resentment towards you at all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: We head up to her room so we can talk.

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Speaker 1: It's full of pictures and mementos from the old days,

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Speaker 1: the good days.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I have tons of pictures and things, and

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Speaker 7: all my videotapes are in there and in there.

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Speaker 1: And she pulls out a small box from under her bed.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, this is one of my favorites. I've

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Speaker 7: and some of my apartments so I will watch VHS

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Speaker 7: videotapes of our family. And I love this one and

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Speaker 7: I love this one. I love them all, but this

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Speaker 1: We pick out an old VHS tape from our childhood

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Speaker 1: and pop it in. What is he found?

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Speaker 10: Kind?

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Speaker 2: Look around corners stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's Easter morning, nineteen eighty nine. My four year old

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Speaker 1: self is joyfully running around the house finding candy filled

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Speaker 9: You'll find a kite.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 1: My dad is behind the camera narrating ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 9: Here's my son, Kyle. I want you boys to stand back,

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Speaker 9: and my wonderful family stand back. Let me look at

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Speaker 9: look it. See all that candy and stuff there, that's

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Speaker 9: your first load. We got part two coming up. I

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Speaker 9: want you to think about this. You know what I

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Speaker 9: got for Easter. My whole life was one basket with

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 9: That's all I ever got. Look at my kids. Happy Easter,

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Speaker 1: The image jumps till later in the day. Some family

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Speaker 1: the camera. There's people everywhere. She pans around to my dad,

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Speaker 10: Here's Can.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're out of your Easter. Where's your easter bonnet?

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Speaker 1: He's got long hair, wearing a tight white dress shirt

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Speaker 3: Because these eye is taking it.

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Speaker 10: That's right.

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Speaker 9: So now I'm in a picture.

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Speaker 1: He's posing now, showing off his muscles and brimming with

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Speaker 1: that unique blend of sarcasm, confidence and charm that endeared

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Speaker 7: Niece, it's jealous, like, right.

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Speaker 1: Now, she's thirty five years old. Here my age. Now,

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Speaker 1: in those days he was my hero. And I don't

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Speaker 1: just mean that figuratively. Only a few months after this

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Speaker 7: You guys were little. Corey was like two, your four

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Speaker 7: going on five. Well, our neighbor was a single female

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Speaker 1: After several months of intensive recovery, the scare had passed

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Speaker 10: Nice.

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Speaker 6: If you.

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Speaker 10: Take pictures.

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Speaker 9: Warm, there's not warm.

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Speaker 7: Don't bother about.

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Speaker 1: The neighborhood was so new that none of the landscaping

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out here admiring their mud.

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Speaker 9: How about that?

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Speaker 1: That's something Santa, don't you guys?

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Speaker 2: Growing up was great. We had a great childhood.

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Speaker 1: That's my brother Corey dead.

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Speaker 8: He would take us to the firehouse, seeing all the

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Speaker 2: And somebody would go on the mic, you know, and

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Speaker 8: An intercom throughout the whole the whole building, and be

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Speaker 1: She pops in another tape, it's my fifth birthday party.

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Speaker 1: There's about twenty people at some restaurant. I remember this.

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Speaker 11: The kids got to make our own pizzas. It's impossible

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Speaker 11: to describe how I feel watching this video and knowing

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Speaker 11: and then coming home to his happy little family and

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Speaker 7: Why don't we get here, kid, and.

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Speaker 1: All of us completely oblivious, celebrating a joyful birthday with

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Speaker 9: I'll relax, will, Yeah, I haven't an emotion forever in motion?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 9: Lamar stills, Baby, This is.

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Speaker 1: The nineties and my poor mother going to bed every

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Speaker 1: We never suspected a thing, we had no reason to.

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Speaker 1: But now looking back, knowing what I know, there were

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Speaker 8: I remember being eight or nine, my dad picking me

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Speaker 8: So stunned, like what the hell just happened, you know,

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Speaker 8: you know, just a typical Sunday morning, that fucking knocking

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Speaker 1: With his head and then you just drove away.

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Speaker 2: And just like nothing fucking happened.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Dad twice. The first time I was really young,

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Speaker 1: There's nothing to say, nothing to do. He just like

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Speaker 1: Life is complex and emotional, and it's human nature to

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Speaker 7: Ken is addicted to heroin. And I was floored. I

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Speaker 7: And he was so bad where he was going crazy,

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Speaker 7: And when I pushed him back, you know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: It destroyed our life, It destroyed our marriage, It destroyed

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Speaker 2: It really destroyed everything.

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Speaker 1: During those ten years of addiction, I had already left

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for me, I was there when all this went on.

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Speaker 8: I first noticed that Dad was on drugs when I

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Speaker 8: I figured it would be like some pot or something,

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Speaker 8: When I opened the bag, it was a bunch of

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Speaker 8: little tinfoil squares.

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Speaker 2: That I had no idea what the fuck it was.

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Speaker 8: But then I saw a syringe and our fucking.

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Speaker 8: It was a yellow handle and a lighter, and I go,

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Speaker 8: what the fuck? I mean, I'm no dummy, but I'm

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Speaker 2: Like he's fucking he's shooting heroin and.

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Speaker 8: He's cooking fucking heroin on her fucking goddamn soup spoons.

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Speaker 8: I was so confused, and so I just didn't know

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Speaker 2: I'm twenty one.

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Speaker 8: At this time, I needed to come home for a

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Speaker 2: I just needed I needed my family for a minute,

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Speaker 8: War War. He's eating me fucking yo play yogurt and

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Speaker 8: some shit I don't know. And what really got me

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Speaker 8: is that he was really zonked out. But the spoon,

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Speaker 8: the image of him eating it with a spoon brought

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Speaker 8: me back to when I first remembered seeing the fucking

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Speaker 8: spoon next to a bunch of heroin and needles.

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Speaker 2: So I got furious. I walked up to him.

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Speaker 8: I slapped the fucking yogurt out of his hand, and

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Speaker 8: I go, fuck.

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Speaker 2: You, dad, You're useless. And that started.

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Speaker 8: Which would be the most intense fight I've ever had

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Speaker 8: with my father. He stood up, I pushed him, he

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Speaker 8: fell back down on the couch. He got back up,

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Speaker 8: and he fucking clocked me. I got to hazing and dizzy.

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Speaker 8: But me, I'm a fucking savage.

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Speaker 2: I'd attack 'em. I don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't stop attacking him, fucking on the floor, beating

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Speaker 8: the shit out of each other. Blood's flying everywhere, fists

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Speaker 8: are flying everywhere. We ended up into the kitchen, where

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Speaker 8: you know, we slam into the cupboards and the and

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Speaker 8: the cabinets, the drawers. I remember ripping out a drawer

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Speaker 8: and trying to fucking.

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Speaker 2: Hit 'em with it. He knocked it out of my hands.

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Speaker 8: He pushed me back into the into the the refrigerator,

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Speaker 8: and I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: The fight stopped. I just remember it was surreal, which is.

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Speaker 8: My dad and I are actually fistfighting each other right now,

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Speaker 8: black eyes, fucking blood cuts. It's crazy to have, you know,

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Speaker 8: someone that was so strong in my life and just

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Speaker 8: such a such a man of father figure.

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Speaker 2: Every I I looked up to him. He was everything

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Speaker 2: to me. So we fucking budged him in the face

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Speaker 2: over drugs cause he was destroying fucking family. Fucking horrible.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever recover from all that? Like? Do you

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Speaker 1: still carry it with you? I?

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Speaker 8: I carry it every fucking day, absolutely, And I feel

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Speaker 8: like that's how I've become so emotional. Just commercials, fucking movies,

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Speaker 8: anything that has to do with a f the sun.

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Speaker 2: If I f it fucking destroys me. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: so hard.

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Speaker 8: I mean I do, I do mask it very well,

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Speaker 8: and I try to forget all the time about everything.

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Speaker 2: But it's it, It will never go away. It. It

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Speaker 2: fucked me up, absolutely fucked me up. Do you wanna

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Speaker 2: see him again? I? I I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I love him, That's what's so fucked up. I do.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I you can't take back my childhood, which

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Speaker 8: was awesome in my eyes, it was perfect. But now

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Speaker 8: I don't. I don't know if I can, if I

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Speaker 8: can be the bigger man, and.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know even talk.

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Speaker 8: I I don't know Kyle, honestly, I I just I

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Speaker 8: don't even know my reaction or my feelings that would

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Speaker 8: come to me if I saw him again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Eventually, Corey got out and moved to Florida,

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Speaker 1: where he started a new career, worked hard and did well.

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Speaker 1: And though I know the scars of those traumatic years

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Speaker 1: are still raw, I'm impressed by how well he's been

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Speaker 1: able to cope with them to move on. But Mom

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Speaker 1: was still there, living in this hell until my dad

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Speaker 1: either got clean or died trying. And then in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: I got a disturbing phone call. It was my dad.

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Speaker 1: He was moaning, crying, barely making any sense, but I

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Speaker 1: could understand enough he was dying and asking for my help.

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Speaker 1: I immediately booked him a flight for the following morning

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Speaker 1: and found a rehab facility that would admit him.

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Speaker 7: I remember getting ready next morning because I am driving

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Speaker 7: him to the airport and He's still screaming at me,

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Speaker 7: and the song from Bohemian Rhapsody comes on, Mama just

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Speaker 7: killed the many us cut and he goes perfect song.

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Speaker 7: JE puts his fingers to my head like it's a gun,

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Speaker 7: and he goes, you know what, Hollie, I've killed men,

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Speaker 7: I've killed money men. I could kill you too. And

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Speaker 7: that was pretty much the last time I saw him.

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Speaker 1: When I picked him up from the airport, I barely

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Speaker 1: recognized him. He was skinny, disheveled, with dead eyes, and

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Speaker 1: he barely spoke a word. I was stunned. I felt

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Speaker 1: like throwing up. I drove him straight to rehab and

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Speaker 1: dropped him off. On my way home, I pulled the

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Speaker 1: car over and I cried for the first time in

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Speaker 1: a very long time. I'm still.

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Speaker 7: Trying to understand to this day why this happened, Why

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Speaker 7: he forfeited a great life and relationship with his children.

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Speaker 7: I mean, my god, I don't care about me, but

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Speaker 7: how can you not have a relationship with your kids

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Speaker 7: and a grandson. I mean, my god, That's what life

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Speaker 7: is about, at least in my world, that's what life

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Speaker 7: is about.

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Speaker 1: I have this old memory of my dad dropping me

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Speaker 1: off my first day at college, he looked at me

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Speaker 1: in a very strange way and said, when you're old enough,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything. No more secrets, no more lies.

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Speaker 1: It's time I learned the truth. Next week on Crook County.

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Speaker 6: Listen, there are girls in and out there for years

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Speaker 6: and years and years and years and years. All right,

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Speaker 6: go in there, crap a deal with the client, go

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Speaker 6: to work, get out quick, and wait for the next guy.

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Speaker 6: These girls were pure, pure business, and they made a

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Speaker 6: ton of fucking money.

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Speaker 10: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: End credit song is called No Show, also by the

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