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Speaker 2: You are allow.
Speaker 3: Me to take you back to a simpler time. The
Speaker 3: year is two thousand and six. You missed the school bus,
Speaker 3: but your mom's not tripping.
Speaker 4: She'll drive you.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, she's even going to let you get
Speaker 3: a Chick fil a Chicken biscuit for breakfast. It's going
Speaker 3: to be a good day. While you're wolfing down that
Speaker 3: delectable biscuit and finishing it off with that perfectly tart
Speaker 3: and sweet lemona, you bop along to Chris Tucker's freestyle
Speaker 3: on the one three turn out up. You tell your
Speaker 3: mom as she watches you make a mess of her
Speaker 3: back seat. Y'all pull onto school grounds and you walk
Speaker 3: into home room right before the first bell? Can you
Speaker 3: hear a familiar sound? Are your classmates preparing for an
Speaker 3: upcoming test or finishing up last night's homework? Nah, of
Speaker 3: course not. They're engaging in the morning freestyle ritual. Uh
Speaker 3: kill the strings are most supreme or self motivated, never
Speaker 3: losing steam. I am energy, energy, not in limits me
Speaker 3: when I bring the heat, homie, I am a piece.
Speaker 3: You take a seat away from the cipher, but as
Speaker 3: more and more of your classmates join in, the rhymes
Speaker 3: eventually reach you. No, no, you insist, trying to look
Speaker 3: engrossed in your trigonometry textbook. Come on, they implore.
Speaker 4: Everybody got a hot sixteen.
Speaker 1: This year, hip hop turned fifty years old. What started
Speaker 1: as an underground youth movement in New York has grown
Speaker 1: into an international juggernaut.
Speaker 3: Now hip hop is one of the most popular and
Speaker 3: commercially successful music genres worldwide.
Speaker 1: Hip hop's ubiquity only continues to increase year over year.
Speaker 1: It's studied at colleges and universities, and rap songs are
Speaker 1: used in movies of all sorts, action, horror, even period
Speaker 1: films set when hip hop wasn't even dreamt of, and
Speaker 1: rap has literally changed the way people use the English
Speaker 1: language around the.
Speaker 3: World, much to my sagrin. Hip Hop is used to
Speaker 3: sell everything from soda to laptops to shoes, liquor, cell
Speaker 3: phone coverage, fast food, water, ride share apps, and cereal.
Speaker 4: The list goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop is easy fodder for viral social media trends, dances, memes,
Speaker 1: and rap challenges.
Speaker 3: Those TikTok dances. I'm still trying to get that savage
Speaker 3: dance down. Pat hip hop change the way we see speak.
Speaker 3: Phrases and words coined by hip hop artists often find
Speaker 3: their ways into everyday conversation.
Speaker 4: So pretty like, hey, guy bleed going it really, Katie,
Speaker 4: that's your idea.
Speaker 1: Of everyday conversation yolo. Anyway, You may think of the
Speaker 1: biggest artists when you think of hip hop. You know
Speaker 1: the Drakes, the Kanyes, the Nikkis and the Futures, the
Speaker 1: multimillionaires and billionaires who can sell out arenas the world over.
Speaker 1: But hip hop's ubiquity also means that everyday people not
Speaker 1: only love to consume rap, but also love to spit
Speaker 1: a few bars themselves.
Speaker 3: You'll find amateur rappers in the classroom, the cubicle, hell,
Speaker 3: the checkout line at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not all rappers are gonna hit it big, and
Speaker 1: it's cool for it not to be a big money
Speaker 1: making endeavor. Rap began in community anyway, a heartful outgrowth
Speaker 1: of folks gathering in joy and cultural celebration.
Speaker 3: What's your relationship with amateur rappeves?
Speaker 1: In middle school, I would write raps about out anything
Speaker 1: that was going on in life. I had this notebook
Speaker 1: that I would write them down on, and I really
Speaker 1: thought I was you know, it's not like I thought
Speaker 1: that I was like rapping, like the people I listened
Speaker 1: to were rapping.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 1: I love writing, so it was an outlet for me
Speaker 1: to write, and it was a good time and it
Speaker 1: was in good spirit. And most of the time, I
Speaker 1: could say because I wrote some raps about you that
Speaker 1: weren't so flattering, but I feel like you were part
Speaker 1: of this amateur rap too, Like you and I also
Speaker 1: wrote raps together sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like you definitely brought me in. You
Speaker 4: were definitely the ring leader the situation.
Speaker 3: You would write me raps and then you know, give
Speaker 3: it to me the hallway for me to read, and
Speaker 3: then I would reply to your wraps like we were
Speaker 3: loky back wrapping via notebook paper.
Speaker 4: And in front of nobody.
Speaker 1: Also like it was a completely contained events that only
Speaker 1: happened in person. Also like I wasn't rapping about nothing
Speaker 1: because like it wasn't struggled involved. No, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had my challenges, but I had a pretty good childhood. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1: Not like I was out here like I was, like
Speaker 1: I got something to say that people need to hear.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: We were probably privy to that aspect of rap then,
Speaker 3: you know, we really thought if someone was saying something,
Speaker 3: they really went through that, and so we weren't thinking
Speaker 3: to like perpetrate.
Speaker 1: No, we weren't, which is honestly very very suburban of us, so.
Speaker 3: Very innocent, like we're going to rap a bell our
Speaker 3: math teacher and.
Speaker 4: The minivands our moms are driving.
Speaker 3: You weren't the only rapper in the in the hallways.
Speaker 3: Growing up, we had amateur rappers all around. Like we
Speaker 3: went to school with these folks. In elementary school they'd
Speaker 3: be on the playground, in middle and high school they
Speaker 3: be in the cafeteria or the gym, and in college
Speaker 3: they're probably performing again in the student center. And this
Speaker 3: hyper local rap, it just it's something that does it
Speaker 3: for me, Like, yeah, you'll hear rappers talk about like
Speaker 3: the stuff that bigger rappers are talking about, like haters
Speaker 3: starting from.
Speaker 4: The bottom of Shiittenhams.
Speaker 3: Like I'm generalizing, but they often have very specific community
Speaker 3: references and about like the rappers individual pet interest kind
Speaker 3: of like how you were doing in middle school.
Speaker 4: Modern day grios of sort.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and amateur rappers are such an important part of
Speaker 3: the hip hop canon that folks stay writing them into
Speaker 3: fictional worlds. Take Tariq from Abbot Elementary, for example.
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen that show. We talked about
Speaker 1: this in our very first episode. This is the beginning.
Speaker 4: So who is Tarik? Remind me again?
Speaker 3: So in season one, Tariq is Janine's longtime boyfriend. Janine
Speaker 3: a teacher at Abbot Elementary, and Tariq is an aspiring
Speaker 3: rapper who extols the virtues of being drug free for Fade,
Speaker 3: a campaign similar to Dare. He performed at Abbot Elementary
Speaker 3: and got an offer to perform his drug free raps
Speaker 3: across the country.
Speaker 4: Drug free raps. I'm intrigued, Go be hypnotic? What was
Speaker 4: I kind of such a girl?
Speaker 1: Wasn't sure? Filling with plot?
Speaker 4: Drugs al real No, No, if you're ready to go,
Speaker 4: go go simply, then they'll make you a slow hey,
Speaker 4: drugs will make you a slow poke.
Speaker 3: Bars, he was switching in the flows like they don't
Speaker 3: play with him.
Speaker 4: He ain't one of them.
Speaker 3: I love the Tarik character on Abbot. The actor who
Speaker 3: plays him, Zach Fox, is hilarious and Trek is definitely
Speaker 3: around for you know, comedic relief. And I see that
Speaker 3: often in the characterization of amateur rappers.
Speaker 4: That they're around for comedic relief.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're either there to make the audience laugh
Speaker 3: or they're seen as a joke themselves, kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're a rapper, why don't you actually get a real
Speaker 3: job and stop playing heavy on the.
Speaker 1: Conform and get a normal job. And while Tarik is
Speaker 1: used for comedic effect, there are also examples of amateur
Speaker 1: rappers who are taken seriously and move the plot of
Speaker 1: Black Stories forward.
Speaker 4: More on that after the break Welcome Back. Do you
Speaker 4: remember Q from Alicia?
Speaker 1: How could I forget Malsha's longest love interest who her
Speaker 1: father hated for reasons of respectability, even though he had
Speaker 1: some unrespectable skeletons in his closet.
Speaker 4: Point him out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank, we know about you, But yeah, that's the one,
Speaker 3: and Q would be rapping.
Speaker 4: The name is true.
Speaker 2: Queens getting money any means getting.
Speaker 4: Creams som and Ha Kim could green with the lights on?
Speaker 4: How be mad faced?
Speaker 2: Rims Oh ahead, camauflog.
Speaker 3: Tim Oh, I'm still mad The group on the show
Speaker 3: didn't re least an actual album, and while Q's rap
Speaker 3: career wasn't written as a butt of a joke. I
Speaker 3: remember watching the show and being led to think that
Speaker 3: Q was a bad influence on Militia because he didn't
Speaker 3: want to go to college or get a traditional job.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Frank Molisha's dad was super antagonistic towards
Speaker 1: Q and Mosha's relationship, and the fact that Q was
Speaker 1: pursuing a rap career and dreamed of owning a record
Speaker 1: label seemed to be the main reason why. Also probably
Speaker 1: that do Rag in his New York accent Okay.
Speaker 3: Thincas can't even express themselves no mo I mean.
Speaker 1: Even though Que and Moesha didn't end up together, he
Speaker 1: kept pursuing hip hop. He was written out of the
Speaker 1: show in season three when he left to manage a
Speaker 1: hip hop group after a failed engagement with Moesha.
Speaker 4: Mind you Messy, Messy.
Speaker 3: I really like the duality of being an amateur rapper
Speaker 3: because oftentimes you do have to have another job, even
Speaker 3: if you're trying to make it big or you're just
Speaker 3: rapping as a hobby. Like anybody can be a rapper.
Speaker 3: You're a mailman, you're a therapist, the bus driver, those
Speaker 3: unnecessary security guards at the mall that no one goes
Speaker 3: to anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. You know, an amateur rapper. That's the
Speaker 1: epitome of duality logic. Shady guess I wouldn't consider him
Speaker 1: an amateur rapper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's true. Well then who as D
Speaker 3: and mirror bitch? You don't know me, Manida five years
Speaker 3: by your side and I'm just a button manid you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 4: AASA would be hype in the mirror, attack a herd shit,
Speaker 4: you know, rapping aggressively in the mirror to blow off
Speaker 4: some steam. Is it my m o? But to be honest,
Speaker 4: it seems like it might be yours guilty.
Speaker 1: When AA gets in that mirror, she's a different person.
Speaker 1: She's hyping herself up, saying things she wouldn't be saying
Speaker 1: to other folks. It's given alter ego.
Speaker 3: I think that's what I love about amateur rappers so
Speaker 3: much like big rappers do this too to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: Like Meghan the Stallion has Tina Snow, Lil Yachtie has
Speaker 3: a little boat, and Future has Future Hendrix.
Speaker 4: Tiya has t Ip right.
Speaker 3: But the amateur rappers, the dichotomy can be so much
Speaker 3: more stark. When I was in second grade, my vice
Speaker 3: principal was a rapper. Like I don't remember none of
Speaker 3: his songs, but I'm sure he was a different person
Speaker 3: in the studio versus school.
Speaker 4: How did you know he was a rapper? He told us?
Speaker 1: In what context were y'all at? Like, okay, we're in
Speaker 1: the gym having a pep rally. Where y'all in a cafeteria?
Speaker 1: Just at what point did that need to come up? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I remember about him. He was like
Speaker 1: a younger black dude. He had corn rolls, and he
Speaker 1: never wore suit. He always wore like ath leisure. And
Speaker 1: so you know, being kids, you have less of a filter.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna be like, why do you look like
Speaker 1: that if you're a vice principal, because the vice principals
Speaker 1: wear a suit supposed to have a short cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be like, why do you look like that?
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm a rapper. Maybe he was lying, but.
Speaker 4: He he might have been pulling y'all's legs. Why would
Speaker 4: he dressed like that.
Speaker 1: He might have been after school, leaving the school and
Speaker 1: selling his mixtapes out of his trunk. But you know
Speaker 1: he might have some extra mixtapes too, somewhere floating out there.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure. Okay, So my principal had his alter
Speaker 3: ego that he was living day to day. What would
Speaker 3: your rap alter ego embody?
Speaker 1: I feel like my rap alter ego would be willing
Speaker 1: to say anything at any time in anywhere. Ooh, no filter, no,
Speaker 1: no filter alter ego, but not rude one.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what would you say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I might actually be very nice. Okay. Why'd you
Speaker 4: just be nice? To fuck?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's because because I'm awkward in real life.
Speaker 1: So I feel like my alter ego would be like
Speaker 1: the opposite awkward. Okay, yeah, and that, but I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean. I don't want my
Speaker 1: alter ego to be mean. Okay, So she just says
Speaker 1: anything at any time.
Speaker 4: Okay. I like that.
Speaker 3: I feel you can do that. You think so I
Speaker 3: feel like you can put yourself okay as a rapper though.
Speaker 4: No, just.
Speaker 3: So, Frank Moish's dad really wasn't feeling cute and was
Speaker 3: like looking down on him and an Abbot elementary tarique
Speaker 3: is kind of seen as like the joke, even though
Speaker 3: I have a theory that his career is going to
Speaker 3: take off as the show goes on, and he got
Speaker 3: to spin the block on Jeanine. Rgine's gonna try to
Speaker 3: spend the block on him now that he's a famous rapper.
Speaker 4: That's just my theory. You heard it here first.
Speaker 3: But did you have any of those feelings towards like
Speaker 3: the amateur rappers that either we grew up with or
Speaker 3: you just like see around in the community now.
Speaker 4: That I thought they weren't going to be successful, or
Speaker 4: you was just like you needed something else. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna lie. Yes, the truth.
Speaker 1: The truth hurts, I do, and I feel like that's
Speaker 1: definitely flavored by conditioning, like people around me who are
Speaker 1: like what a real job is and like what I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to do with my life?
Speaker 4: And I say this as a writer.
Speaker 3: Right, I was like, girl, we don't have no right.
Speaker 1: So it's ubiquity that caused that, though, because the reality
Speaker 1: is I did see a lot of people when they
Speaker 1: were younger wanted to rap and make it big and
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. But it is an odds game as well,
Speaker 1: kind of like being an athlete in the NBA it's
Speaker 1: like it's only it's a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: a lot of talent, and it's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who have a lot of skill and build that skill
Speaker 1: over time, But that doesn't mean that they're going to
Speaker 1: end up in the NBA, right, And the amount of
Speaker 1: mixtapes that I've seen being passed out in salons and
Speaker 1: like out the backs of trunks and things like that,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of those, and those didn't become
Speaker 1: like these huge hits that we're still listening to today.
Speaker 1: So it's not as if those aren't valuable just because
Speaker 1: they're not huge hits. But I wasn't like these people
Speaker 1: will probably end up that huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see my rappers be like rapping about people
Speaker 3: that didn't believe in them, you know, And there are
Speaker 3: people at a salone.
Speaker 4: Like boy, get out my face. I'm trying to get
Speaker 4: my press and curl by, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's like the flip in order flipped in either one.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like everyone had to start somewhere unless you're
Speaker 3: like an industry plant and they're just like here's your platform.
Speaker 3: Like most rappers are starting like in the community and
Speaker 3: starting off as an amateur rapper, and you build yourself
Speaker 3: up into this other thing.
Speaker 4: But like you said, it is a numbers game.
Speaker 3: I feel like I have the same like inclination to like, boy,
Speaker 3: you ain't gonna and like most people I said it
Speaker 3: about you ain't done nothing. But I mean they could
Speaker 3: honestly say the same thing about me.
Speaker 1: But also I feel like most of the people I
Speaker 1: think that about too, it's a gendered thing for me
Speaker 1: because it's usually men.
Speaker 4: Like if it was a woman, I'd be like, you
Speaker 4: got this, let's keep going. How you need me to
Speaker 4: help you? What we're gonna don in I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of women don't be doing that, though no
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 1: It's not but I'm saying that's why I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel this way, Like if there would have it
Speaker 1: would have been more of like a very variety of
Speaker 1: gender that I saw that happening with, you know, coming up,
Speaker 1: then that would be the case. And I also musta
Speaker 1: say there is a chronological thing to it too, because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about back in the day, but in this
Speaker 1: digital age, I'm like, Oh, anybody can do whatever they
Speaker 1: want to do. It was different back then when the
Speaker 1: pathways were different. So but now, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be inclined to say the same thing. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh no, you got it.
Speaker 3: See I feel a little bit differently just because we're
Speaker 3: not the new school no more.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're a little older, not to now, but not
Speaker 4: just leaked in our teeth if we will, and a
Speaker 4: little gray in the hair. So not me, okay, But I.
Speaker 3: Feel differently about the chronological thing. I do agree about
Speaker 3: the digital age because it is a new day. But
Speaker 3: you know, we're we're past that age where people are
Speaker 3: really popping. As far as rapping. I have a peer,
Speaker 3: an age peer who's like, oh yeah, like I want
Speaker 3: to start rapping maybe, I mean maybe you be on
Speaker 3: Ripley's believe it or not, you be on Guinness Book
Speaker 3: World Records doing geriatric grap geriat you know what they say,
Speaker 3: what aniche has this audience geriatric crap? So let me
Speaker 3: stap hat I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Do you think there is an age, even in this
Speaker 1: day and age, where it's like it's a lot more
Speaker 1: access for people to hear you? Do you think there's
Speaker 1: this still an age that you need to try to
Speaker 1: break in at.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's so tough because you don't want to
Speaker 3: tell people like, oh, hang it up after this age,
Speaker 3: like you want to want people saying that to you.
Speaker 3: But even looking at these examples, these people are like
Speaker 3: playing people in their twenties. No matter how old the
Speaker 3: actor is, the fictional amateur rappers are still young people
Speaker 3: trying to make it. So I do think it would
Speaker 3: add a different element if it's like a forty five
Speaker 3: year old being the amateur rapper, I think it really
Speaker 3: would be the butt of the joke or kind of
Speaker 3: like a cautionary tale situation, and like that's how the
Speaker 3: character would play out.
Speaker 4: If it is a older person, they would turn into
Speaker 4: the don't quit your day job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like right now, like Q, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: he's working, he's gonna keep doing his thing, you know, Tyreek, Like,
Speaker 3: oh he's kind of a goofball, he does his drug
Speaker 3: free us. But okay, he's young, he can still explore.
Speaker 3: But if it's someone who like has like, you know,
Speaker 3: more responsibilities, or you know, you're seen as like an
Speaker 3: elder in the community and you're still doing it and
Speaker 3: haven't really met that goal, whatever that goal is for you,
Speaker 3: then I think people be looking at you sideways. But
Speaker 3: that being said, rapping is just another job. And so
Speaker 3: there's just so many different levels of all types of jobs.
Speaker 3: Right like your basketball example, there's a G League. There's
Speaker 3: people who just coach little league but can still hoop
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, there's so many ways to
Speaker 3: be involved. Like you don't have to be Lebron, you
Speaker 3: don't have to be Steph Curry to be good. So
Speaker 3: the same thing with rap. I don't think you have
Speaker 3: to be selling out arenas. You could be at the
Speaker 3: park on Juneteenth. Yeah, and people will rocking with.
Speaker 1: You, and people are listening to you, and you're still
Speaker 1: saying what you have to say.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: So it says something that all these people who are
Speaker 1: writing these shows are even including amateur rappers in their storylines.
Speaker 4: Because they're important. They're important. You see them all the time.
Speaker 1: You feel like they have something to say or something
Speaker 1: to contribute to your plot and how you're trying to
Speaker 1: develop that character and other characters. The fact that they're
Speaker 1: rapping means something to you. You know, it's a character
Speaker 1: that we see that we know, that we love, that
Speaker 1: we're familiar with. Because oftentimes too these people who are
Speaker 1: amateur rappers in these stories. They're not unlikable characters. They're
Speaker 1: usually likable character, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if they weren't around in real life, you know,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't get that because honestly, like sometimes in sitcoms
Speaker 3: you see like the big Star, but it's definitely a
Speaker 3: different vibe.
Speaker 4: It's like they're doing a cameo and it's like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, is that tied doll side? And then like
Speaker 4: that's it.
Speaker 3: Like they're not really contributing anything to the storyline in
Speaker 3: that way. Like the amateur rappers are so we need them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we like seeing them. We need to stop telling them
Speaker 3: to get real jobs.
Speaker 4: Definitely, do you.
Speaker 3: Boo was all these examples of amateur rappers doing their thing,
Speaker 3: and even how we grew up. I don't think I
Speaker 3: truly appreciated that everyone truly had a hot sixteen until
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen's So Gone Challenge.
Speaker 4: I don't think I remember that one.
Speaker 3: I remember first seeing Chance the Rapper do it, and
Speaker 3: it really took off after that. Basically, folks were rapping
Speaker 3: over Monica's Soilgan beat. This challenge was full of people
Speaker 3: expressing their love for their partners, their children, the desire
Speaker 3: to be famous also folks were dissing their exes and
Speaker 3: shouting out their friends. The lyrics ran the gamut, but
Speaker 3: they were all very specific. And there's just something about
Speaker 3: seeing all these people setting up their phones and getting
Speaker 3: their friends to record them rapping along for this challenge
Speaker 3: that I thought really embodied hip hop's ubiquity. Even non
Speaker 3: rapping celebrities like Kevin Harr and Kiki Popper joined in.
Speaker 1: Rapping is one of those art forms that is so enticing,
Speaker 1: even if it's not your thing, you low key wish
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: Do you low key wish it was your thing? Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, being able to lay down a few
Speaker 1: every now and then.
Speaker 4: There's no time like the present. To my rappers out there.
Speaker 1: Who do it for the love, just know that we
Speaker 1: love you too. We dap you up, We give you
Speaker 1: hugs when you spit.
Speaker 4: We gonna listen. Yeah, we hearing what you say like
Speaker 4: some diamonds. You gonna listen. We know you gonna make
Speaker 4: a way.
Speaker 1: Don't even listen to the haters who out there plotting
Speaker 1: on your fall. Keep your head up, keep your chin up,
Speaker 1: and find a way to make it ball from the
Speaker 1: corner to the shop, from the classroom to the block.
Speaker 1: You know, we love all the niggas who got some
Speaker 1: bars and make it rock.
Speaker 4: It don't matter who you are. Yes, my nigga, you
Speaker 4: a star.
Speaker 1: Ey oh my god.
Speaker 3: First take is never take two, but you still take
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 4: You did that. Thank you very much that I try.
Speaker 3: You did that. Shout out to the amateur rappers. Shout
Speaker 3: out to Eves. She been the one, never the two. Okay,
Speaker 3: top two is she's not too Stop playing with her.
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't call myself that, but no, I
Speaker 1: do a little sum every now and then.
Speaker 3: You did the thing, beriod. Don't play with her And
Speaker 3: now it's time for all credits.
Speaker 4: Eves. Who what would you like to give credit to
Speaker 4: this week? This week, I would like to give credit
Speaker 4: to good socks.
Speaker 1: My feet are always cold and I feel like having
Speaker 1: a good pair of socks.
Speaker 4: It really comes in handy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes so very unseerious credit this week, but that's what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. I would like to give credit.
Speaker 3: To the Tony Morrison this week. I miss her one
Speaker 3: and two. It feels like she stays with us in
Speaker 3: a way because she's just so small and has like
Speaker 3: given us a lot of directives that I think only
Speaker 3: she could give. And we were talking earlier about how
Speaker 3: I felt about what's going on is your legenocide of
Speaker 3: Palace Side and the Palestinian people in Gaza, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we should still.
Speaker 4: Be like doing this silly little podcast.
Speaker 3: And he told me it was like, this is the
Speaker 3: time to create art and there's like always things going
Speaker 3: on and it's important as artists to create art, and
Speaker 3: so Toni Morrison has this quote that says, this is
Speaker 3: precisely the time when artists go to work. There is
Speaker 3: no time for despair, no place for self pity, no
Speaker 3: need for silence, no room for fear. We speak, we write,
Speaker 3: we do language. That is how civilizations heal. After talking
Speaker 3: to you and like seeing that quote, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: m hm, okay, I'll keep going for now. So wanted
Speaker 3: to give credit to ms Tony and to you.
Speaker 4: I love that.
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