1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure, but 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: we'll be returning soon. They called me Ben. We are 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond. 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Before 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: we dive into today's show, which is wed. It's pretty 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: interesting actually, one of those mysteries that we do have 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: an answer for. We want to give you a quick 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: update on some stuff we learned about COVID nineteen, the 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: novel coronavirus, which is currently uh sweeping the globe at 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: a pace uh comparable to k pop uh but much 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: more deadly. Yeah, that's right. And many of you know 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: we are in Atlanta, Georgia where we record this, and 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: this is one of the places, specifically Fulton County, one 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: of the major counties within the greater metropolitan area here 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, UM it is experiencing a bit of an 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: outbreak including within the public school system. Right as we 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: were walking into record today, just this just this afternoon, 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: I had learned that Fulton County school systems are closing 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: for now just to sanitize the area. That's that's the 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: official line. No one knows how long they'll be closed for, 26 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: but they're doing so because a an employee was recently 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: confirmed to have coronavirus. At this point, uh, the US 28 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: still lags behind mind other countries in terms of testing. 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: Uh in you know, many people, including Vice reporter uh 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: and myself have been surprised going back through US customs 31 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: to find that they just let you in. Other countries, 32 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: by the way, are having much more extensive testing. Some 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: countries have mandatory fourteen day quarantines, which probably still isn't 34 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: long enough. Uh. So we want to hear from you 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: what what's happening COVID wise in your neck of the woods. 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: And I don't want to, you know, tell anyone's business here, 37 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: but mission control. Weren't you about to head over to Italy? 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: Are you still going? Okay? No, he is not. Okay, 39 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: that makes me feel a little safer. Yeah, well Italy 40 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: is actually they're they're also their death tolls Uh, their 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: death toll increased by a hundred and thirty three people. 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: Today it's March nine. As we record this, uh, and 43 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: around the world, we're seeing countries take different different approaches, 44 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: and many countries are getting in front of it. They're 45 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: sacrificing you know, uh, bad press, or they're taking a 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: hit with bad press to look overly prepared or pessimistic 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: or pragmatic. I would let's go that route every time, 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, and uh, you know, mad I'm not gonna 49 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: name names, but there were a couple of people who 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: yet again implied that I was I was being paranoid 51 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: or overthinking it to uh just get a you know, 52 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: to revamp my bug out bag. But that's just what 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: I do when I get a new vehicle. Dude, if 54 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: anyone throws shade at your bug bug out bag, no 55 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: matter who you are out there or within this room, 56 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: that person is not your real friend. See I'm not 57 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: you know what though, I'm like very uh, I'm very 58 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: boy scout about it. My my bug out bag doesn't 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: have won anything illegal in it. Uh. And and to 60 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: sell an offense about this, but it doesn't have a 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: lot of the heavy stuff the other people my mind 62 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: is like you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, your 63 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: car breaks down or something, and you need to be 64 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: alive for seventy two hours. I don't think that's crazy. 65 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: That's not crazy at all. That's my entire trunk space 66 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: in my vehicle right now. Is did something go wrong? 67 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: Open the trunk? That's great. Yeah, yeah, it's a matter 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: of fact. Um. I was talking with a friend of 69 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: mine or main nameless this weekend and when it just 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: got back and uh, he was. He was telling me 71 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: about a kit he has for gunshot wounds to stitch 72 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: himself up. And I thought, you know, really, it's not 73 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: that's funny. No, no, no, but you know, we'd like 74 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: to also hear what what you're doing in reaction to 75 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: this in your neck of the Global Woods. Do you 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: feel like this is alarmism? Do you feel like people 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: are not making a big enough deal? Uh? Did you 78 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: already have a bug out bag? I hope you already. 79 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: We hope you already washed your hands normally. Yeah, that's 80 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: one of the weird things. You know. I did not 81 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: apply antibacterial before coming into this room, though I did. 82 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah you did? Yeah? Yeah, oh boy, I didn't. I 83 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: went home and a shower. I just covered myself in 84 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: hand sanitizer like Danny DeVito's character, and it's always sunny 85 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Just slopped it on that maintenance people came over, 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know, it would have been weird a few 87 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago, but now they were like, we get it. Yeah, 88 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: as long as you didn't climb into a leather couch, 89 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, not not 90 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: quarantine yet. I swear. There's the last thing we we 91 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: were having this internal discussion here just about these microphone 92 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: covers that Ben and I are talking into right now. 93 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: There are these removable, uh just black mesh microphone covers, 94 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: and so many people use these studios now throughout the 95 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: day and just talk right here in close proximity to 96 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: these things. Um, if any of us gets sick, it 97 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: will be the on air talent, So I will know, Matt. 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: Since since our fellow listeners can't see the studio right 99 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: now and takes more pictures of it or something. Uh, 100 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: you and I a mission control as well. We keep 101 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: our mouths relatively far away from the mic in comparison 102 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: to some other people. And I just keep getting further. 103 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: Just are you guys, okay with me sounding like this 104 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: the whole episode. What do you think is that bad 105 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: for is that bad for business? Paul? Yeah? Okay, all right, 106 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: So before the world burns down, and while while we're 107 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: waiting for your questions, you're probably saying, Okay, I want 108 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: to tell you about my bug out bagger, I want 109 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: to tell you why uh then you're being crazy? Or 110 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, um, I want to know 111 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: more about what's in your trunk. Matt. Whatever you're saying, 112 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: they're probably thinking, how do I how do I communicate 113 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: with you guys directly while you can find us and 114 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: a number of places. Uh, We're just the internet is 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: riddled with us. One thing that we we've started to 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: do is to give some Twitter shout outs, because Twitter is, 117 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, uh, at its worst, it is a cesspool 118 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: of misinformation, and at its best it can help you 119 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: get around things like state censorship or mainstream media censorship. 120 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: It's an invaluable It's like fire, it's an invaluable tool 121 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: for the villains and the heroes. That's right throughout mythology, 122 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: which will come back into play later. Right. So I 123 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: don't know, Matt, you gotta you gotta Twitter shout out 124 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: you want to kick off, I do. I wanna give 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: a big shout out to Jeff who made a video 126 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: message and sent it to us, and he is only 127 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: wearing a hoodie because he's he's at a swim function 128 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: and it's cold, but uh but yeah, he's He sent 129 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: us a message about a company that he wants us 130 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: to look into, and we've already done some initial all 131 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: searching around about it. So thanks for sending that to us, Jeff. 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: No spoilers, huh spoilers or you can see what Jeff's 133 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: talking about on Twitter right if you follow us at 134 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff spelled like it sounds on Twitter. I also 135 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to Sarah at Sarah Allen, 136 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: who said, I love that you all covered the Jeff 137 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: Davis eight on your last episode. One point of contention, 138 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: Frankie Reachard's name is pronounced Reachard, not Richard. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, 139 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: yeah uh, and that's we. We appreciate that correction. You know, 140 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: proper nouns can always be a little bit tricky. We 141 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: also appreciate everybody who wrote in regarding the Jennings eight podcast. 142 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: We think it's an important story and it is a 143 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: mystery that is yet to be solved. So, without further ado, 144 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: on to today's episode. This is this is a weird one. 145 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: That's when we heard about a while back, but still 146 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: pretty recently when you look at this pan time as 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: a whole. But I guess everything humans are pretty recent 148 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: if you look at the span of time as a whole. 149 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: Earth is sort of a fad. What the new think. 150 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Let's let's hope we stick around. Oh my god, what 151 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: are we gonna do? Hey, we had a good run. 152 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Let's let's just let's look back while we can. There 153 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: we go, There we go. It reminds me of an 154 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: old joke in Spanish. Doesn't really translate to English, but 155 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, keep that in mind. No, 156 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: it's about like what do you do if you're hanging 157 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: on a cliff and like there's a strawberry bush and 158 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it's the only thing that's keeping you, but you see 159 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: the roots pulling out of the cliff. Anyway, that the 160 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: punch line is when they're like, what do you do 161 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: with the punch lines? You eat the strawberries. That's pretty good. 162 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: It's it's funnier in the original language all right, but 163 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: you're right, Matt, humanity. Let's look back while we can. 164 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: The more we learn about early humanity, the stranger our 165 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: collective story becomes right. We we know still that the 166 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: general pattern of human migration from the African continent throughout 167 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the world still seems correct, still seems legit. Uh. 168 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: There there are tons of things that appear to confirm this. However, 169 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: recent research has revealed there is an entire mass. There's 170 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: a volume of other chapters that were missing from the 171 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: broad strokes of that story. We know now that a 172 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of stuff that sounded crazy 173 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: or kookie back when many of us listening were children, 174 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff has been proven. We know 175 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: that our ancestors or you know, if your Homo sapien 176 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: or ancestors met mingold and may have interbred with multiple 177 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: other hominids, sort of the early mixtapes of what would 178 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: become humanity, things like Neanderthal's dennis Ovans were recent discovery 179 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: Homo florencias, the so called hobbits, and as a matter 180 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: of fact, wait, oh, I gotta say there was another 181 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of smaller early human like species discovered in the 182 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: Philippines as well. And recently, yeah, and really recently, uh, 183 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: there was a there there appears to be maybe another 184 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: ghost in the genetic code. In February twelve, we found 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: reports that some West Africans may have genes from an 186 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: ancient what people are calling ghost hominid. And they found 187 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: this through genetic research. Uh. And and they've learned what 188 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: the DNA from this as of yet unidentified homin and 189 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: does it involves tumor suppression and regulation of hormones. All 190 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: to say, all to say that we are very much 191 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: still in the early days of understanding exactly where we 192 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: came from. I'm just gonna go ahead and say this 193 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: and that ghost DNA. Come on, we all know what 194 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, that's extra trust rate. Come on, I 195 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: want it to be true, so so argently you know. 196 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, and and here's the other thing. Just 197 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: when we're talking about this kind of stuff, if you're 198 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: a subscriber to the the theory, we will say it 199 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: is a theory of um evolution in the way that 200 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, all or most of science believes in the 201 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: way like gravity is a theory. Yes, um, will you 202 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: realize that there are a ton of experimentations and combinations 203 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: that occurred through DNA where different things were produced than 204 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: what we understand as the model. Let's say Homo sapien, right, 205 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: so many varying things must have been produced. Just that's 206 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: just the way it functions, and we maybe forget sometimes 207 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: that just because you don't have a specific skeleton of 208 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: a large group of hominin's the uh you know, like 209 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: a Dennis Ovan or something, doesn't doesn't mean that there 210 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: aren't jumps in between there, or versions of a hominin 211 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: that is a Denisovan, slash um whatever. I'm because just 212 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna use the intertal as an example, but I don't 213 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: know if the timelines match. I just mean, just because 214 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: you don't find a bunch of those bones somewhere doesn't 215 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: mean they didn't exist. It's a big stew a gumbo 216 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of humanoid d n a of comini d NA um 217 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: and that's you know, just as we just remember that 218 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: as we continue throughout today's episode genetic Gumbo. I love it. 219 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, So that the most recent discovery, just to 220 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: put that in perspective, if you're listening to this when 221 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: it comes out, like last month, we've found evidence of 222 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: another early thing that was very much like us, such 223 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: that our ancestor could interbreed with it, meaning that whatever 224 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: this ghost in in the genetic machine is, it is 225 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: also part of us, and some of us listening today 226 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: are in a very real sense then part ghost until 227 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: we identify it. If you have your Uba or mende 228 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: Uh ancestry, then you have two to ninet of genetic 229 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: material from this mysterious population. Yeah, and we don't know 230 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: what it is. It's a you know, quote missing link 231 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: right now between you know, whatever that genetic population was, right, 232 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: And we're not saying it's anything crazy. We're just we 233 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: just don't know yet. Yeah, So this is where we're at. 234 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: There is a fascinating argument to be made that Matt, 235 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: I know you and I have both gone back and 236 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: forth over in the years between. It's about the relationship 237 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: between folklore and fact. Could all these recollections of those 238 00:14:52,000 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: ancient encounters have survived somehow through properly oral storytelling right 239 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: before the written word, and could they have inspired those 240 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: age old legends of meeting sentient not quite human creatures 241 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: like things we think of as like trolls or or elves, goblins, dwarves, 242 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: and so on. Could could it happen? Maybe? Maybe that's 243 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: the thing. It's fascinating. There's no proof of this yet 244 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: and it would be very, very difficult to prove, but 245 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: still that concept has encouraged conjecture, not just about the 246 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: um the greatest hits of supernatural sentient beings that we 247 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: named right now, but other stuff, you know, things, other 248 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: creatures that were thought to be sentient that have been 249 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: largely relegated to the land of legend and myth, namely giants. 250 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: It's giants, yep, this is what's the old ominous biblical quote. 251 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: There were giants in those days, you know. Oh yeah, 252 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: I was thinking more f fo fum. Oh yeah, but 253 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: that's a good one too. Grind the bones to make 254 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: our bread. Yeah, Giants and cannibalism closely related throughout world folklore. 255 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Hey Ben, what do you say we take a quick 256 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: break and then get to the facts. Absolutely, here are 257 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: the facts. In several episodes, we have examined the concept 258 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: of ancient giants before, so if we're a full dive 259 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: into this, do check out those earlier episodes, uh you. 260 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: One specific one would be the legend of the c Techka, 261 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: which is a Native American legend. No spoilers, but it's 262 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: worth your time. Oh, it definitely is. And also, just 263 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: to set this up front as well, you may have 264 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: at some point on a social media channel found images 265 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: of giants skeletal remains. Um just in our researching for 266 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: the sea Ic episode and a couple other past episodes. 267 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Many of those, if not all of them, are photoshopped 268 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: and our bogus just putting that out there. There are, however, 269 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: reports coming out that we're going to talk about today 270 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: of real, real discoveries that are out of the ordinary 271 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: when you're talking about the size of a skeleton. So yes, yes, 272 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: So let's let's also point out that not all of 273 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: those photos are necessarily modern hoaxes, right, absolutely shrouded turn style. 274 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: Well yeah, hundreds of years this kind of thing has 275 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: been uh touted by I don't want to use the 276 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: word charlatan's by people who are just trying to build 277 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: you for some money, right yeah, And let's okay, So 278 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: we'll get this out of the way. This is this 279 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: is the factual part of the show, right, So this 280 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: is where we we have to be, uh, the paleontological 281 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: party poopers. Just for a bit long story short and 282 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: most of the episodes we've done regarding what we would 283 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: call giants, we found that the concept the giants of 284 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: the stories and the legends, the allegations can be attributed 285 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: to some some pretty mundane causes, and we wanted to 286 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: dive into one fascinating example. Tantalizing, I would say, because 287 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: we can't we can't quite prove it, you know what 288 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can't like you can't get there. 289 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: But we're about sure, uh that this adds up, this 290 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: is a true story. Well, yeah, if you think about 291 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: stumbling across the remains of some creature that is unknown 292 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: to you, that looks very different, it's pretty strange. You 293 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: look at those bones and you think, well, wow, that 294 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: looks kind of like a leg bone or or an 295 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: arm bone, and what is this skull? What on earth 296 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: is this? And what we're gonna talk about right now 297 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: is an example of finding a strange goal and maybe 298 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: misattributing it to being some kind of humanoid creature. Yeah. Yeah, 299 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: we've misidentified bones from other animals. And what's fascinating here 300 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: is that In two thousand and three, geologists with the 301 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: University of Crets Natural History Museum named Charles Lampos fossilas 302 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: of fassulas. He He noted that Greece and the Agan 303 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: we're once upon a time, millions and millions of years ago, 304 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: home to something called Dinotherium giganteum. The ballpark translation for this, 305 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: by the way, is huge terrible beasts. So, uh, this thing, 306 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: we'll you understand now again, it's million millions of years ago, 307 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: eight or nine million years it is. It was a 308 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: distant relative to the modern elephant, but it was gigantic. 309 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: It was four point six meters tall or fifteen feet tall, 310 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: and it had these huge tusks. It was one of 311 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: the largest mammals to ever stroll around this fine planet 312 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: of ours. And ancient people in that area, millions and 313 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: millions of years later, were almost certain to have encountered 314 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: at some point fossils of these creatures. And since those 315 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: people were very much like people of today, they did 316 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: just what you're describing that. They said, okay, let's let's 317 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: get a let's wrap our heads around this. What is 318 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: this thing? All right? This is a leg bone, This 319 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: is huge. Whatever this thing was, it was huge. And 320 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: and we're talking about grease. We're talking about Grease Peninsula 321 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: and all of this. Yeah, very very smart culture in 322 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: many ways. Uh, and they tried to explain it through 323 00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: the lenses of their current understanding. Yes, through in this 324 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: case Greek in Roman mythology. And there's an author named 325 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: Adrian Mayer, and she argues that both of these groups, 326 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: um Greeks and Romans, that they saw this as possibly 327 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: evidence of some of the mythological creatures that were pre existing. 328 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: And she wrote about this in her book called the 329 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: First Fossil Hunters Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times. Yeah. Yeah, 330 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: so we we know this was a common thing, not 331 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: just in Greco Roman times, and not just in that 332 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: part of the world, but in any part of the world. 333 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: Whenever humans find stuff, we are explainers, were classifiers, We 334 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: want to be the smart ones in the room. Essentially, 335 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: there's this ancient story, this myth about this creature, and 336 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: now we found this real fossil. Well, let's let's connect 337 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: those things together right through the lens of our understanding, 338 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: because we have to realize that mythology, what we call 339 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: mythology now, was a very real way of looking at 340 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: the world and explained a lot of stuff and plus 341 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: at a benefit, a lot of mythology is inextricably intertwined 342 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: with predictions of the movements of the heavens, So this 343 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: stuff seems real, right. So there's an archaeologist named Thomas 344 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: Strasser who agrees with Adrian Mayor's writing, and he said, specifically, 345 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: you'll never be able to test this idea in a 346 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: scientific fashion. But the ancient Greeks were farmers, and they 347 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: would certainly have come across fossil bones like this from 348 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: this huge, terrible, terrible, huge beasts, and they would try 349 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: to explain them, and they didn't have a concept of 350 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: the theory of evolution, so it makes sense to this 351 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: archaeologist that they would reconstruct them in their minds as 352 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: things like giants, monsters, sphinxes and so on, and that 353 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: I know dying too. For anyone who hasn't heard us 354 00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: telegraphing this, uh like for minutes, now, well, what was 355 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: the what was the money on? What what did these 356 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: people think that Dinatherium giganteum was. Well, if you've never 357 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: seen a Dinatherium giganteum skull, I recommend if you can 358 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: search for it right now before I spoil it for you. Okay, 359 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: hopefully you're not driving or if you're in a tesla 360 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: like do little vocal command thing or whatever. I don't 361 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: know how new cars work. Uh, a cyclops, and that 362 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: might be a little bit bit surprising. Wait, you're saying, 363 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: as an elephant like creature, right, have two eyes? Yeah, 364 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: and they do have two eyes. But what they also 365 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: have if you're just looking at the bones, the skull 366 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: is a giant, giant centered nasal passage right right, And 367 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: these skulls clearly differ from the skulls of modern Asian 368 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: or African elephants. That nasal passage is huge, and it 369 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: does kind of look like the where you would put 370 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: a monstrous eye, especially if you thought may be where 371 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: the actual eye holes are are ear holes, eye holes, 372 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: eye sockets. Sorry, oh yeah, you're right, dude, you're right. 373 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: The eye sockets really do look like it would be 374 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: where the ears are because they're separated. They're they're separated 375 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: through the way bird eye bird eye sockets are separated 376 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: on the sides of the face. Anyhow. Yeah, so the 377 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: cyclops can't prove it a hundred percent, but we're pretty 378 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: sure it was the misidentified skull of this monster elephant, 379 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: and the monster elephant itself is scary enough, right, so 380 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: and so cool. I wonder if it was as intelligent 381 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: as elephants are today. You know, it was at least 382 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: the the precursor. You can totally Oh wow, it's creepy looking. 383 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: It's a bruiser. Yeah, man, it could. It could wreck 384 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: somebody with those tusks. So a lot of monsters in folklore, 385 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: as uh irritating is is to say a lot of them, 386 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot of them were 387 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: the result of misidentified postles. Were things we attempted as 388 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: a species to explain. Second, and going to your earlier 389 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: pointment about about photoshop, one mundane explanation for giants in 390 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: general is unethical reporting from muck breaking newspapers and other 391 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: media going back a long time and and also going 392 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: forward a long time, pretty recently here in the United States. 393 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: You know, you've probably heard tell as we would say 394 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: in Tennessee, even if you're not from the U S. 395 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: You've you've heard stories about the late nineteenth century in 396 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: early twentieth century discoveries, you know, the eighteen hundreds discoveries, 397 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: where there would be a reporter with a breathless claim 398 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: that somewhere out there in the desert in in the 399 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: lawless lands that we're not quite states. Uh, someone had 400 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: found bizarre, huge skeletons. They're tied into the myth of 401 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: the American West, right, the pre European existence. So far 402 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: are none of those claims have been proven. If you're 403 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: talking about like a twenty foot tall giant, right, yeah, 404 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: and and again you've probably seen those images. Again they 405 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: are they're convincing, but faked. And well, here's the other 406 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: thing we noticed when we were talking about this previously 407 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: on these episodes. There's there are a ton of people 408 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: out there who believe the storyline that someone somewhere either 409 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: at the Smithsonian or the Natural History Museum or some 410 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: other organizations, the Vatican and just roll out the red carpet. Well, yeah, 411 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: that these bones were recovered, these these ancient remains were 412 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: recovered and sent off to one of these institutions, and 413 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: then that institution is then hiding it from the public, 414 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: right right. And the big question there would be motive, 415 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: Why why would they do that? Even even if it 416 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: were plausible for that to happen, And it's it's possible, 417 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: I guess technically it's possible, But again then it is 418 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: a big leap from possible to plausible. Also, why would 419 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: they do it? That's that's the piece of the puzzle 420 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: that we have to we have to solve if we 421 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: want to engage with that that theory um. And what 422 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: you'll hear is that it's too hide the true nature 423 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: of humanity, right right, And this ties in a little 424 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: bit with some some cryptozoologists will argue something like that, right, 425 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: but not on air, what do you mean? But not 426 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: on air anyhow? Anyhow So, and we'll get back to 427 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: that later on in today's show. Just to hold it 428 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: in your head, bracket, I mean, don't tattoo yourself with that, 429 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: but you know, remember it for the next few minutes. 430 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: So we know, with the notable exception of the citecha, 431 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: a lot of those things turn out to be legends 432 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: or hoaxes. And then, of course there is the third, 433 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: the third common cause that we we have found sound, 434 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a personal one for a lot 435 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: of people, and therefore it being a personal one is 436 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: something that I it's personal in a way that I 437 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: don't think other people should intrude upon, by which I 438 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: mean some accounts of giants come from ancient religious sources, 439 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: or text, and this can lead modern adherents of these 440 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: sources or text or belief systems to accept those stories 441 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: because they're part of the faith system or the belief 442 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: system that they have. You know, especially when you get 443 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: to UH people who have literal interpretations of things rather 444 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: than metaphorical or figurative UH. This this means that in 445 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: order to practice their belief system, they have to believe 446 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: everything that is involved. Right. One example of having to 447 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: accept everything, all part and parcel of a belief system 448 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: would be something like the belief in Jin. For for 449 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: many people who consider themselves, you know, astute and committed 450 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: followers of of the belief system with Jen, like of Islam. 451 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: There there are people who say, well, you have to 452 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: believe in Jin because it's in the Koran. You know, 453 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: it's the and by far one of the coolestar in 454 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: my opinion, appearances in the Koran. You know, creatures of 455 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Smokeless Fire. You know, it's incredible. And you have a 456 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: podcast or you have a you've been involved with the 457 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: podcast about that, Right, you almost set it up perfectly 458 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: because it's a show all about Jinn. And I think 459 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: people will be very surprised by the show and it's 460 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: not out yet, Ben, but it will be out at 461 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: some point this year. Okay, that's what I'm what are 462 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: you says, I'm personally very excited for. So so there 463 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: we have. And additionally, when we encounter to the world 464 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: of faith and religion, there could be a situation in 465 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: which giants are ascribed some sort of supernatural power, whether 466 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: just because of their descent from a divine or otherwise 467 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: supernatural being, or because it's just part of the other 468 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: thing that makes them not quite human. Right, And if 469 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: they're supernatural, then that means logically the natural rules don't 470 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: apply to them. So why would you try to codify 471 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: these things in human terms? Right? If they are agents 472 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: of the infernal or agents of the divine. So there 473 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: you have. Those are three reasons we've We've done several 474 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: episodes in this We've had three reasons. Misidentification, purposeful hoaxes, 475 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: um religious accounts. We didn't we didn't even not yet. 476 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah and uh, and we talked about that in earlier episode. 477 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: So this may leave a lot of us and are 478 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: fellow listeners going bummer? So all these giant at myths 479 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: are bogus. I'm turning this episode off The big secret, 480 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: the giant secret about giants is it's a giant hoax. 481 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: You guys are terrible. Everything is terrible. I'm gonna throw 482 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: my phone. I'm gonna place it on the ground and 483 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: just be upset about it and wait for the COVID. Yeah, 484 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: don't worry. We didn't say that yet. We did not 485 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: say that these are all focus. What are we talking about. 486 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's 487 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Well, guess what we've got breaking 488 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: news for you. It appears that there are ancient giants, 489 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: at least in China. Right, it's crazy. We see breaking news. 490 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: Mean back in July, and we spent some time tracing 491 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: down this story. We can verify this story. We'll get 492 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: into it anyway. July not too long ago. Right. The 493 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: story came to us from China's Sinua News agency, and 494 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: they reported that these archaeologists had discovered the remains of 495 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: five thousand year old community in eastern China, and the 496 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: members of this community, we have the bones, we have 497 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: the proof. It didn't disappear. The Smithsonian doesn't have it 498 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: yet or whatever. These people appeared to be mhm giants, giants. 499 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: They were described as giants. They were described as giants giants, yes, uh, 500 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: so we looked to Fenghui, who is the head of 501 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: the Shendong University School of History and Culture. And if 502 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: you look through the reporting, we talked about tracing this 503 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: story because you will find it in like thirty different 504 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: publications English written publications. That's pretty much the same story, 505 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: just kind of copied over, right, So we went to 506 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: the We went to the primary sources, yes, exactly, We 507 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: got to the original one. So uh Feng We describes 508 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: how since two thousand and sixteen, a group of archaeologists 509 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: have been excavating the ruins of a hundred and four houses, 510 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: two five graves, and twenty sacrificial pits in this village. 511 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: That ben, I'm gonna let you pronounce you at least no, no, 512 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't know the tones. Uh, I don't know. That's 513 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: way better than what I would say. Mandarin speakers are 514 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: going to punish us, and right least, so let us 515 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: know how to pronounce it. You can find us on Twitter, 516 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: and I would say Jane Qui or jeong jong Shu district. Yeah, 517 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: and that's uh near the capital of shan Dong. These 518 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: relics are from something a Neolithic era in a community 519 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: called the long Sean culture and it's uh, it's in 520 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: the middle kind of er reaches of the Yellow River. 521 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: And they named the culture after a nearby mountain, Mountain 522 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: Long Tronk. This area, as far as we can tell, 523 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: was a cultural powerhouse. It was a center of politics, economy, 524 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: and of course politics and economy uh, closely related with 525 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: religions at this time, arguably still today, closely related with religions. 526 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: So they also found ruins of ditches, clay embankment's, they 527 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: found tons of a coutrement and uh, you know, status symbols, 528 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: jade pottery, all the hits, all the hits. And since 529 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: this was a cultural center, these people here again described 530 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: as giants, lived pretty well. They had separate bedrooms and kitchens. 531 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: We know that they had a solid diet too, pretty consistently, 532 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: which was super important to this story. Yeah, you're eating 533 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: millet their primary in there. They're also eating some pork, 534 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: some pigs some cases. They are also these giant graves 535 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: where pig bones and pig teeth were found. And well, 536 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: let's talk just quickly about the archaeologists and this job 537 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: and putting together you know, the the ideas here, like, oh, 538 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: the ruins that we found are definitely places houses that 539 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: had separate bedrooms, and we know that because of the 540 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: way they were set up. Um, that's a that to 541 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: me is almost magic being able to see with a 542 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: lens like understand having such a deep understanding of the 543 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: history of archaeology, the history of humanity, to be able 544 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: to look at something like that and figure that stuff 545 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: out and and put together those pieces of Oh, there's 546 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: millet in this layer of the soil where all of 547 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: this other stuff is preserved. There's a lot of millet here, 548 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: and there's all these pig bones, Like we could kind 549 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: of see what these people lived like, right, right, And 550 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot of work goes in TwixT very difficult process. Uh. 551 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: At the end of at the end of this episode, 552 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: I am going to make uh maybe a somewhat controversial 553 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: maybe my thought experiment, But archaeologists are working diligently around 554 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: the world and around the clock, and they are discovering 555 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: things and having to prove them. You know, seven ways 556 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: to sundown, six ways to Sunday, whatever you want to say. 557 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: So this discovery is amazing for these archaeologists is a motherload, 558 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: is a watershed moment. It fills in what what has 559 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: been described as a cultural blank from about four thousand, 560 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: five hundred to five thousand years ago. So for about 561 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: five hundred years there are these giants. At least five 562 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: hundred years. You know, the math gets sketchy and fuzzy. 563 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: The further back now here is the part most of 564 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: us have been waiting for, the big question, the dinotherium 565 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: giganteum in the room. If you will, just how big 566 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: were these people? I mean, Matt, if we genuinely do 567 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: have physical evidence of real life giants, what exactly do 568 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: we mean when we say giant? Oh buddy, let me 569 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: tell you. Are you ready for this? Let me scoot 570 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: to the edge, hold on, hold onto something. Okay, here 571 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: he goes. They were between one point eight meters and 572 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: two meters tall. So can you America that for me 573 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: real quick? Sure? Um, let's see one mem is around 574 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: three feet yeah, okay, so that would be five nine 575 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: ish five eleven two six two maybe six six if 576 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: we're reaching six six on the out, yeah, on the outside. Right. 577 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, that's a that's a little bit of 578 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: a letdown. Have we have we taken our fellow conspiracy 579 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: realist and a bit of a shaggy dog's sorry, well, 580 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: I mean you know dogs are great. Yes, the answer 581 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: is yes. They found uh that that height as weird. 582 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: We'll get to Taller men were found buried in larger graves, 583 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: and this could be due to them having a higher status, 584 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: uh socio politically. It could also be due to them 585 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: having access to better food. We know there was a 586 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: lot of inviting their sacrificial pits. There are people who 587 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: have clearly died by violence in such a violent way 588 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: that you can tell just by looking at their bones. 589 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: You don't even need the rest of the body. Someone 590 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: someone mopped them in an aggressively brutal way. So this 591 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: height is noteworthy at the higher end in most parts 592 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: of the world. Right in our previous episode, we said, 593 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, the shortest average height will tend to me 594 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: women in the Philippines, tass average height is gonna tend 595 00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: to be males in a certain European Northern European countries. Still, 596 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: for most people, if you see someone who's six ft 597 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: six inches tall, you're going to think, well, that's not 598 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: not worthy. But that's not the tallest person I've ever 599 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: heard of, and it's probably not even the tallest person 600 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, especially if I have a television, Like 601 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: just to kick the stats today, the average height of 602 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: a professional basketball player in the United States is six 603 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: ft seven inches tall. Yeah, the average mail is five 604 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: ft nine inches tall, which is still kind of in 605 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: the lower end of where this community of giants was discovered, right, Yeah, 606 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: I mean I'm walking out at slightly above that average height, 607 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: and i feel like I'm shorter than most people. So 608 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, that's just how how it goes. But but 609 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: here's the big question, really is, well, what gives is 610 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: there some kind of comparison to the surrounding population or 611 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: the people of the time where I mean, it's like 612 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: it's tough because we don't have a lot of information 613 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: to go on. We're talking about filling in really a 614 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: time hole here, right, a cultural time whole. So you 615 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of people to others to compare 616 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: this to, Right, So how do we explain this characterization 617 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: of ancient giants? Here's the thing, the people in the 618 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: surrounding communities, we're actually shorter. So while these mysterious giants 619 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: might seem kind of unremarkable today, make a mistake. They 620 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: were towering over their contemporaries in adjacent communities. If you 621 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: saw a bunch of these folks running at you in 622 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: your village, in your you know, your area, you would 623 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: freak out because they were huge, and you know, hopefully 624 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: they're in a good mood. And the assumption there as well, 625 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: they must be stronger than me. They at least have 626 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: probably more weight on me. Um, and definitely reach boxing rules. Well, yeah, 627 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: but you know we're with a weapon or whatever you're 628 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: dealing with at that time. Um. And here's the thing. 629 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: We don't have extremely great numbers on the average height 630 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: of the people in surrounding communities, but we do know 631 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: the average height of Europeans at the same time, and 632 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: that is around five ft five inches or one point 633 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: six seven meters, So that's a full that would be 634 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: a full foot uh foot a foot and an inch 635 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: above if you're talking about the six six individual there. 636 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: So the people in this culture, in this community were 637 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: on average going to be much taller. So we can 638 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: also take the example of Confucius, perhaps one of the 639 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: most famous proven factual historical figures from this region. Uh 640 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: Confucius was around five to b C. He was described 641 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: anywhere from about one point nine meters tall, which is, 642 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, six is feet tall, right, Uh, to other 643 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: accounts that have him, uh nine ft and six inches tall. Yeah. 644 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: We we have an excerpt from a book called Confucius, 645 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: His Life and Thought, and in here we're we're just 646 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: gonna describe that. I'm just gonna give you a quote here, 647 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: and it says, according to the historical records, Confucius was 648 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: nine ft six inches tall, a height which seems to 649 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: have been regarded as quite unusual. The measures of the 650 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: measures of length of the Han dynasty were shorter than 651 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: those now in use. The height of a normal adult 652 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: was about seven ft, that of a tall person eight feet. 653 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: Thus a height of nine ft six inches indicated something 654 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: of a giant, and that certainly would. But if you know, 655 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: if you changed it over, I guess you'd be reducing 656 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: by about two feet there. So then we have another 657 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: issue with classification. We can't just accept the assumption that 658 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: what we call a foot meant the same thing right 659 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: the same way we can't really accept what a giant was. 660 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: So while these people would certainly have been intimidating, they 661 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: were not as far as we know, ten feets all 662 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 1: in the way that we today understand feet. That's gonna 663 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: sound so weird out of context, we today in the 664 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: way that we today understand feet. Uh hashtag no Tarantino 665 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: or whatever that that that that creepy guy from all 666 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: the Nickelodeon shows. Do you know what I'm talking about? 667 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: Creepy guy from all the Nickelodeon shows. There is a 668 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: longstanding series of frankly troubling rumors about a very successful 669 00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: showrunner for Nickelodeon named Dan Schneider, and the allegations are 670 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: that he has a weird foot thing that makes its 671 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: way onto the air. I have heard about that, and 672 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: these are you know, these are child actors. Oh, I 673 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of digging into this. I don't 674 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know, Um that I 675 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: haven't done digging into this. Then, of course, you know, 676 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: is difference between the court of public opinion and in 677 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: that rumor and then an actual quart or investigation. But 678 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: we'll we'll look at we'll look into it. Uh, let's 679 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: get back to the way more comfortable version of feet. 680 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: We're talking a rut here. Yeah, So there's one other 681 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: questions when we don't have a definitive answer to what 682 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: made these people so tall? Right, why were they literally 683 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: head and shoulders over the adjacent communities. Right. Researchers theorized 684 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: that at least the men in the community grew to 685 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: these comparatively uh soaring height because they were high status 686 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: individuals who had access to better food than most of 687 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800 Speaker 1: their contemporaries. If you want to see a real life 688 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: version of this at play now while you are alive, 689 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: check out the height comparisons between people born on the 690 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: Korean Peninsula before. Maybe, like some of the eighties babies 691 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: who would have been developing during the famines of the 692 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: nineties of the nineteen nineties, they have because of malnutrition. 693 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: This this population, this genetically homogeneous has discernible, easily visible 694 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: differences in average height. So maybe it was just maybe 695 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: it was the food. Uh. We know that the nature 696 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: of the burials suggests that these people, these occupants, these giants, 697 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: were wealthy. Uh. And then it's also suggests that there 698 00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: was some grave robbery, uh, grave cases of grave robbery, 699 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: because pottery and artifacts have been found within the tombs 700 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: were uh sometimes not even not even stolen, just deliberately broken. 701 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: Someone came in and just smashed it. So there is 702 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: a story there that's as of yet unwritten and maybe 703 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: as a revolt of some kind. Yeah, yeah, again like 704 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: the CTKA. You know. So this is one of the 705 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: weirdest parts about this. These giants are still around sort of. 706 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 1: The people living in Shandong now still consider their height 707 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: to be a defining attribute of their region and their communities, 708 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, this belief appears to be true. It 709 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: appears to be confirmed. Yeah, the average height of men 710 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: aged eighteen in Shandong was one point seven five three 711 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: ms or around seven something like that. Yeah, yeah, with 712 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: the natural national average around one point seven two ms. 713 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: So again, it's like it's like there were real giants, 714 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: but we just kind of explained away, like any kind 715 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: of supernatural reasoning behind them, right, we don't have we 716 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: don't have a solid again proof. It's very difficult to 717 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: try to guest estimate those causes five thousand years ago, 718 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: but it does appear there were real giants. It's just, 719 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, as we said, a giant back then wasn't 720 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: the same thing like usually, and we can't speak for 721 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: everyone usually nowadays. When you think of giants were like 722 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: ten ft as a minimum as a minimum giant. But 723 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: that's just I think that's just our version of something 724 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: that would be unbelievable for it to be naturally occurring. Right, 725 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: Just ten ft is so beyond what we've observed, you 726 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: just go, wow, Yeah, that's definitely something else that's going 727 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: on here. That's just not some kind of genetic combination 728 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: that just happened to get ten ft. We should also 729 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: point out, yeah, really good point that these people were 730 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: healthy and normal. They did not seem to be suffering 731 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: from the genetic condition that affected Wadlow. They didn't suffer 732 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: from gigantism. It reminds me of So I was in 733 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: the city of London a while back. You remember this, 734 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: and I saw the Tower of London. Yeah, and I 735 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: fell non plus and I had to remember it was 736 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: like at the time this was built, first towers were 737 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: much more difficult to construct, and they wouldn't have there. 738 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: Of course, it wouldn't be as tall in comparison as 739 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: say London Bridge, or as tall as you know, multiple 740 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: other multiple other buildings in the area. Now you have 741 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,359 Speaker 1: to put yourself back in that mindset. So back then, 742 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: a tower it was like the Tower of London was 743 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,319 Speaker 1: its huge And I'm not denigrating it. It's an historically 744 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: significant building. It's just I don't know what I was expecting. 745 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: You know, as a kid, all I heard about is 746 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: there was a tower, there were ravens, their special guards 747 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 1: called beef eaters, and get there and you're like, oh, okay, 748 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: this isn't This is a very very old building, especially 749 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: for US Yankees, and uh, you know, towers were different, 750 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 1: so it's kind of the same thing. Giants were different 751 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: in this part of the world. It unless, okay, here's 752 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 1: the unless, Matt, there really is some sort of overarching 753 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: generational conspiracy to repress evidence of actual giants, in which case, 754 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: the discovery of these suppressed remains would be, without a doubt, 755 00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: one of the largest expose s in human history. Here's okay, 756 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: here's my all right. Oh yeah, Matt's crossing his arms 757 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: because you know you're about to get like a story, right, 758 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: I'll keep it short, but here's my argument. So we 759 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: know we know that stuff disappears. I really appreciate your 760 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: earlier point about how difficult it is to find things, 761 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: especially organic matter, because Earth is alive. It's hungry, you know, 762 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: like they're still there. Not only have we discovered in 763 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,439 Speaker 1: the courts of the show that there are genuine lost 764 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: cities and civilizations, but we we we also discovered that 765 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: many of those things are going to be lost to history, 766 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: especially in depending on the environment or biom there in. 767 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: Like if you if you have a lost civilization in 768 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: a jungle, man jungles eight human things and they do 769 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: it very quickly. Yeah, and all of the things that 770 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: humans create, that's really what you're saying. But yeah, it's 771 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: not just the human it's the all the stuff they 772 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 1: put together, and they thought, oh, this is gonna be 773 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: great and last forever. Oh no, no no. So then 774 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: it is again, it is possible that there could have 775 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: been an isolated population of even larger things, since you 776 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: hominins of some sort, and maybe again there's a lot 777 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: of ifs here, uh, and maybe let's say they were 778 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: in a very aggressive biome like that that we're in 779 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: a jungle or something, and then they just the earth 780 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: ate them. Between the time that they expired and the 781 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: time our versions of people came along. It is possible. 782 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: And if you don't think it's possible, talk to us. 783 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: Tell us why because we really feel like it's possible. Um, 784 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: because of just the evidence we've seen has been just 785 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: outlined there in our research that stuff happens, that the 786 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: the hungry nature of nature. Um, it is very very true. 787 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,760 Speaker 1: So let us know. Please find us. As we mentioned 788 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: earlier on Twitter, reach out to us. We're conspiracy stuff. 789 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: We're also conspiracy stuff on Facebook. You can find our 790 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: Facebook group with some of the coolest human beings out 791 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: there onto the Internet. Our group is called Here's where 792 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: it Gets Crazy. You can give us suggestions. You can 793 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: talk about this episode or another episode, or suggest a 794 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: new episode, whatever you want to do. It is your 795 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: sandbox controlled by Facebook ultimately, but but it is. It's 796 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: it's still cool. Okay. So what if what if you're 797 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: off the grid, you know, and you don't wanna you 798 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: don't want to mess around with Facebook. I've you've you've 799 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: all the past social media. Yes, but you still have 800 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: a flip phone. Well, we have good news. We have 801 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: a phone number one eight three three st d w 802 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: y t K. Give us a call, leave us a message, 803 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: be like this person who called us on Saturday. Hey 804 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: good uh, I just listen to your sing on the 805 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: census and uh, you said something about how many people 806 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: it would take to count the homeless in one day, 807 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: and I wanted to give you just a little bit 808 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 1: of an idea. Uh. I lived in a city of 809 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: about fault thousand and uh into tourist town. So when 810 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: we have palten times, I have a lot more people 811 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: than not coming in. But uh, when we went to 812 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: count the census, uh, it was all volunteers except for 813 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: like maybe two people that were actually getting paid for it, 814 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: and uh the other everyone else and volunteers. And they're 815 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: about forty of us before a city of twelve thousand. 816 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, you do the math. Hey, y'all take care. 817 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,959 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. By wow, first time, I didn't 818 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 1: know how many people were volunteering. Yeah, that's quite a 819 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: bit to get forty people to go out there and 820 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: and try and do the census. As we've discussed, it 821 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 1: is not the safest temporary position to have. Yeah, no, no, 822 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: not all the time. No, thank you for thank you 823 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: for you're putting in your civic duty, you know. And 824 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: thank you additionally to everybody who's written in with conversation 825 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: about the census. One thing that always I don't know 826 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: about you, Matt but one thing that always impresses me 827 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: about our fellow listeners is that we have people who 828 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,919 Speaker 1: are even if they disagree with each other online, they're 829 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: walking through each other's perspectives, you know what I mean. 830 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 1: And that's that kind of that kind of discourse is 831 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:48,800 Speaker 1: something that I think. Um, I'm not saying we're we're great, 832 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: but our listeners are exercising the kind of discourse that 833 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: I would like to see happen in in paid media pundance, 834 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For sure, maybe maybe if 835 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,720 Speaker 1: if a story is big, if it's a big story 836 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: on the news, is a global event, I don't know, 837 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 1: maybe push the commercial off. Maybe maybe spend more than 838 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:15,319 Speaker 1: six minutes on it. Oh god, the next headline old 839 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: man shouts at sky, shakes fist, curses son. Well, that's 840 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,359 Speaker 1: that's our show. What do you think? 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