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Speaker 1: I love when you come by and hang out from

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Speaker 1: the work that you've done with the u N, the

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Speaker 1: sixty one convention. I mean, I just want to hear

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Speaker 1: more about that. And you know, how did you even

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Speaker 1: kind of come up with the idea like, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: I think we can do this at the u N

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Speaker 1: and take this down. I mean, it's just an incredible

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Speaker 1: feat you accomplished. Well, I'll tell you that the easy

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Speaker 1: way to describe my strategy is that I came up

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Speaker 1: then just sought to work on it. And then I

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Speaker 1: And uh, and it's finished. But we went we went

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Speaker 1: went in with the understanding and the thought that we

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Speaker 1: would get these badges because you can't even go into

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Speaker 1: the UN to participate to find out what's going on,

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Speaker 1: so you can have a voice and even be active

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Speaker 1: until you're in, and you can't get in without a badge.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally under one of those classic catch twenty

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Speaker 1: two is that you need to get past. There's there's

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Speaker 1: pretty much one in every great endeavor. I think at

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Speaker 1: least one great could catch any two you have to

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Speaker 1: get past. And this was that one. And I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: that that's what I'll do. I'll get past that for

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Speaker 1: the cannabis movement. I'll help the cannabis movement get badges.

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Speaker 1: And someday, long after I'm gone, the cannabis movement, with

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Speaker 1: these badges and with the recognition of how it works,

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Speaker 1: because they've been inside for a while, will apply what's

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Speaker 1: all that will happen. But long after I'm gone and

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Speaker 1: I finished that badge work, if you will. Around two

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Speaker 1: thousand eight and two thousand nine, was given a gift

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Speaker 1: by our classic opposition, Japan and as their Beijian ironically enough,

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Speaker 1: joined together you know a resolution. It was a seed

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Speaker 1: led to recommendations, and those recommendations led us to some

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Speaker 1: politicking and work lobbying and whatnot at the world level

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Speaker 1: to actually get enough countries to sign onto this thing

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Speaker 1: to pass through the United Nations, Unlike day to day

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Speaker 1: stuff on cannabis at the treaty level that requires this

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Speaker 1: like ridiculous unattainable consensus to move forward. Finding a new

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Speaker 1: consensus is like impossible right now. But the World Health

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Speaker 1: Organization recommendations only required a simple vote of the country's

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Speaker 1: present in the commission that's dealing with the drugs, the

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Speaker 1: Drug Commission and via in Austria. Hey, we could do that,

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Speaker 1: and we did. We made it by one vote, not exactly,

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Speaker 1: you know, a huge margin of error there, but join one.

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Speaker 1: You know, they don't get the margin of error signs there.

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Speaker 1: We go on the touchdown, right, and that's all that

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Speaker 1: matters once you cross the line. And that is a

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Speaker 1: big one, right. I mean that literally too. If you

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Speaker 1: look at how the country's voted, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: like NATO and like the Warsaw pack. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of like all the western countries are for the Eastern

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Speaker 1: countries or against it ironically a dance and was against it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, like when he came in and told us guys,

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Speaker 1: we gotta buy one vote. That was massive because it

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Speaker 1: had such big implications on what we're doing here in

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Speaker 1: America and potentially people just aren't doing what they should

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Speaker 1: be doing, and that would be a great topic together

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Speaker 1: into the short Yeah, and we'll get back into this

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Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh when we're sitting here with Michael

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Speaker 1: V G C. Brian Buckley, Blue Joe Granted Cannabis Talk

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Speaker 1: one oh one, of the world's number one source for

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Speaker 1: everything cannabis, will be right back after this. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Together we can, folks,

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Speaker 1: and that's the best way to do it. Together at

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Speaker 1: N N A D E V I C E S.

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Speaker 1: And of course when I say together we can, I

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Speaker 1: mean together we can all of us here, even together

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Speaker 1: as our staff. Because if it wasn't for Jessica from Nuggle,

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Speaker 1: none of us were be here bottom line, So thank

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Speaker 1: you Jessica for doing everything that you could do. As

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Speaker 1: make her blush, but really though, thank you to her

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys all so much for everything that you do.

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Speaker 1: As we're sitting here here with the Brian from h

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Speaker 1: v g C and US Air Force veteran Michael Allan Crofts. Now,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned that before we went to break, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of an interesting scenario that you say that elaborate

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Speaker 1: on that. I want to get your thoughts and Michael's

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this as well, because you guys as the

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Speaker 1: vets dealing with that looking at that present that scenario again. Please. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So at this point, Michael, back in December of two

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Speaker 1: thou has cannabis removed from the nineteen sixty one treaty

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Speaker 1: and there's definitely action items that happened at this point.

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Speaker 1: For example, I think it was like the General Secretary

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Speaker 1: will send letters out to all world leaders saying we

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Speaker 1: no longer look at cannabis as internationally illegal. But Michael

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Speaker 1: how did the United States respond or lack thereof after

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Speaker 1: you had this massive accomplishment. I feel like it's still bullshit. Look, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, before I do that question directly, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I should give you just a little bit of history.

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Speaker 1: Because the United States voted yes on the recommendations, and

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Speaker 1: it you know, we only won by one vote. The

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Speaker 1: United States vote was very important vote for us UM

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Speaker 1: all the votes were very important votes for US. So,

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Speaker 1: but it's not just that history. I want to rewind

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Speaker 1: a little bit before then, and the United States actually

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Speaker 1: played a really key role in these discussions that happened

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Speaker 1: in Vienna, Austria. The process for cannabis was totally different

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Speaker 1: than anything that's ever happened before. It's set a new

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Speaker 1: precedent for how to deal with discussions at the United Nations.

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Speaker 1: With the word health organization, who is part of a

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Speaker 1: separate entity. I mean, people look at the w h

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Speaker 1: O World Health Organization is sort of part of the UN.

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Speaker 1: They are part of the u N system generally, but

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Speaker 1: they have a relationship with the u N as far

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Speaker 1: as this drugs control program goes. And they weren't directly

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Speaker 1: in charge of anything. They were invited as a guest

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Speaker 1: anytime they came to Vienna and presented on on cannabis.

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Speaker 1: So there was two major world cannabis summits. The only

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Speaker 1: topic was cannabis. The wal Health Organization came and was

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Speaker 1: grilled by countries and all these questions and stuff. And

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Speaker 1: the United States with two people, one fantastic scholar from

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Speaker 1: Virginia University of Georgetown professor who's just like one of

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Speaker 1: the most knowledgeable people on cannabis and treaty and the

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Speaker 1: United States Constitution and law of anyone in the entire

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Speaker 1: world as far as I can tell UH. And she

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Speaker 1: was there answering questions, giving presentations in the UH in

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Speaker 1: a usual capacity. And there was a guy in our

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Speaker 1: States Department who was assigned to cannabis for over a year.

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Speaker 1: I know because I interacted with him for over a

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Speaker 1: year in that capacity. That was his soul job was

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Speaker 1: to work on cannabis and cannabis policy and cannabis history

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Speaker 1: within the United States law, within the treaty law, and

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Speaker 1: within this process of the recommendations, the mountain of evidence

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Speaker 1: that the were Health Organization was going through. It was

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Speaker 1: a full time job, especially for one person. We were

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Speaker 1: doing it with a team of cannabis cannabis activists that

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Speaker 1: spanned the world. Um, but I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: you to look at the United States and really realize

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Speaker 1: how much we were involved in all this, and especially

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Speaker 1: uh calling the fact that they haven't done anything about it.

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Speaker 1: They haven't complied with the change in the treaty. Now

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Speaker 1: be clear, the treaty has no hold over us in

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Speaker 1: the United States. It's our US federal law that has

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Speaker 1: a hold over us in the United States. And our

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Speaker 1: US federal law says, hey, when the treaty changes, you

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Speaker 1: need to do this, and you need to do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: we haven't done it yet. And and it's almost like

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Speaker 1: we've given these green magic slippers to the Attorney General.

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Speaker 1: All I has to do is click them together three times,

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Speaker 1: and medical cannabis is legal in the United States, I mean,

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Speaker 1: based on a change in treaty that quick, and he

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Speaker 1: won't pick up the DAN. And not only that, why

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Speaker 1: does it feel like it's not the case? Like, why

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Speaker 1: does it feel like as you say that, and I

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Speaker 1: hear both you, Michael and especially you, you've done it.

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Speaker 1: You just gave the description of how you did it.

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Speaker 1: Makes all the common sense in the world of what

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Speaker 1: you did. But it doesn't feel like that's even possible.

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Speaker 1: Of what he's saying, like that's legitimate. Like it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like what you're saying is legitimate across that's what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Let me answer that for a second. Please do I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to answer that for a second,

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Speaker 1: because that's that's a really interesting point from the U

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Speaker 1: S perspective because almost immediately, actually before the treaty change occurred,

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Speaker 1: the change in process and the change in position of

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Speaker 1: the World Health Organization, which again is its own thing.

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Speaker 1: When the Wal Health Organization said that cannabis was a

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Speaker 1: dangerous drug that needed to be used with careful consideration

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Speaker 1: and certainly be careful if you wanted to try to

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Speaker 1: use it as a medicine. That was their position of

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Speaker 1: nights and fifty. They changed it to their new position,

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Speaker 1: which is, cannabis is a absolutely a medicine and supported

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Speaker 1: by science and in some cases provides relief that no

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Speaker 1: other medication will provide and does so safely and within

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Speaker 1: the tolerable limits of of of safety of of other drugs.

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Speaker 1: That's the new position of the WHO. Based on that,

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Speaker 1: the EU change the position, France change his position Germany,

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Speaker 1: change the position, change the law of loof of Luxembourg,

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Speaker 1: change the law of uh Chile of uh gosh starting

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Speaker 1: to change. Yeah, and and and now with the change

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Speaker 1: in treaty, there's a just an unbelievable flow of change

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Speaker 1: in policy at the national level throughout the world. The

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Speaker 1: thing that people in the United States need to realize though,

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Speaker 1: is we are looking at things from a perspective of

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Speaker 1: adult regulated access markets that are tuned to equity and

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Speaker 1: sharing of of of of you know, uh resources responsibly,

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Speaker 1: uh and all this stuff that isn't even in the

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Speaker 1: lingo of the people that are working on this internationally.

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Speaker 1: They're at their prop to fifteen moment right now, and

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Speaker 1: they're just starting michael marijuana basically at the world level

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Speaker 1: and implementing that. And we kind of need to meet

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Speaker 1: them where they are. The Canada, Uruguay, a couple of

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Speaker 1: others because of the unique circumstances, has a toe in

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Speaker 1: each water. But the world generally is implementing medical cannabis

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Speaker 1: right now, and the United States having not even made

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Speaker 1: medical cannabis reality at the national level is really I

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Speaker 1: think being held back by Congress by the fact that

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Speaker 1: Congress wants to do further and do this adult regulated

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Speaker 1: markets with equal sharing and and everything. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: very comply and the only complicated. As you say that,

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Speaker 1: I get even more confused when you throw Israel in

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Speaker 1: the mix of doing so much to the benefit and

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Speaker 1: when you you say all that and look at us

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Speaker 1: not doing something or this, and that's like, well, they're

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Speaker 1: doing so much. Can't we just follow? Suits? Like, can't

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Speaker 1: we just follow that direction? Isn't that direction the one

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Speaker 1: that we're all trying to go and do? That's to me,

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Speaker 1: isn't that exact exactly the words right there? Is that?

644
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't this sound like common sense? What isn't Israel really

645
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: leading the pack in the direction that we want to go?

646
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: So as I hear all that and hear everything you're saying,

647
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, can't we, Michael, get people to see this

648
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: and get the globe to see this and then start

649
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: getting these people that recognize it globally and say, globally

650
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: we can do that. Can we globally come up with

651
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: a fucking solution that's going to globally help more people

652
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: with all these medical global conditions? Because guess what PTSD

653
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: is global. It's not the only veterans here, let alone veterans, epilepsy, cancer, seizure,

654
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: all these pain, ankle pain that I'm in, let's call

655
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: it everything. They're all universal, the pains and problems that

656
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: we're using cannabis here to solve. It seems like just logic, right,

657
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh amazingly. And that's like, you know, Michael, to your point,

658
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: you feel, you know, Congress is kind of holding us back.

659
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: But what why? Like what is the essence? Like is

660
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: it money? Is that the pharmaceutical company? I mean they

661
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: get to be the guy when we say it can

662
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: go like what is the what is what is like

663
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: the button we need to hit for them? It's just

664
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: it's a one of these status quo. You know. The

665
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: status quo can be looked at as sort of the

666
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: surface tension of water. And the surface tension of water

667
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: is interesting when you're skipping a stone. It's less interesting

668
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: when you're falling off a bridge. Right, It's more like concrete.

669
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: These things are relative, and this is a very very

670
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: big thing that we're trying to move, very very fat. Uh.

671
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: It's it's acting more like concrete. And the weird thing

672
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: about it is the passing of the buck. Stuff you

673
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: know that. What I'm basically saying when I said what

674
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: I said a minute ago is that the executive branch

675
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: can do a lot more. Obviously, Attorney General can do

676
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: a lot more. The President could do so much more,

677
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: um and they're basically staying holding back because the Congress

678
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 1: wants to do more, and Congress is basically holding back

679
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: because the executive branch wants to do more on other things.

680
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: And it's always cannabis stepping back and taking a back

681
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: seat and being the gentleman and letting the lady move

682
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: forward of you know, health and responsible environmental and nuclear

683
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: policy and stuff. Yeah, we've done that for fifty years.

684
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: After a while, the gentleman is like doing it but

685
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: gritting his teeth in anger. And that's where we're at

686
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: as a cannabis movement these days and essentially watching and

687
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: waiting for what's gonna happen next. But no, that's it's

688
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: really interesting. And so Joe I work on the Veterans

689
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Action Council with Michael and after he did all this

690
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: great work and we were thinking, okay, here we go

691
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: to like two thousand twenty, things are gonna go to

692
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: start changing. We got the sing internationally it's not illegal anymore.

693
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: And we actually crafted up a letter to the Attorney

694
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: General essentially saying, why don't you do your job? And

695
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: what they say back, mind your business is slow your

696
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: fucking role kids, pretty much, I mean it. I mean,

697
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: that's the best, the best of the worst part about this, Like,

698
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: I agree with you. But when your guys are going

699
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: to the government, that's gonna say, okay, okay, yeah, I mean,

700
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: like I want to do the same thing. I want

701
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: to fat boy. Yeah. But it's the thing, it's it's

702
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: not it's it's not the government that really amazes me

703
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: on that one. It's the response that we got or

704
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: the non response that we got from media. And these

705
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: are even some folks that we work with in media

706
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: that I don't know. I've never really gotten it clear yet.

707
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: And now you haven't dropped the ball on this one yet.

708
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: This is still unanswered questions, and for me, unanswered questions

709
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: burned in my mind. They get answered. I will find

710
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: out what's going on. I'll get an editor, proper editor

711
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: on the phone, and find out what it is about

712
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: this story that has made them not want to run

713
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: with it, not want to ask any questions, not want

714
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to follow up at all on the press releases. Nothing.

715
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: It's just maybe too complicated. You go back to a

716
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: previous thing while it's still stuck in my mind because

717
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: I want to answer this. You're asking sort of how

718
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: can we move this forward internationally? What can we do?

719
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: What kind of mechanisms are And you're gonna be blown

720
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: away by this because this If I didn't experience this first, SAMP,

721
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the system worked from the inside,

722
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even believe this is true. But with the

723
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: entire world and the entire world's needs essentially, and there's

724
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighties six countries or something like that

725
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: that are part of this drug control treaty system at

726
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: the United Nations UH and a little bit more that

727
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: are involved with the World Health Organization UM on drug policy.

728
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: And within that structure there's believe it, in a thirteen

729
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: member board it's called the International Narcotics Control Board, and

730
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: their function is to ensure medical access in partnership with

731
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: the World Health Organization. So they're the key focal point

732
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: of the World Health Organization and the United Nations on

733
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: access to medicine. Once you declare cannabis a medicine, right,

734
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: it's in their purview at least thirteen people helping to

735
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: make sure that the billions upon billions of people on

736
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Earth have access to these important medicines, which many of

737
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: them the World Health Organization is deemed essential. And you

738
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: know we've heard that before. Cannabis was deemed essential in

739
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 1: the United States and right, so you know we're talking

740
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: about an essential and important medicine that has all of

741
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: a sudden been dropped in their laps. And I know, okay,

742
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna say the International Cadisin Introl Board has been

743
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: there since sixty one or whatever and they haven't done

744
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: a d anything. Well, it's never been declared to medicine.

745
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Before I got the World the International Cause Control WARD

746
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: president on the record just a few years back with

747
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the final, really clear answer to a question that was

748
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: another one of these answers I had to get, right,

749
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: why wasn't the you know, world body ensuring access to

750
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: canadidate their job was to insure access in medicine. When

751
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: I finally got a president of the i n c

752
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: D IS, it's called to answer that straightforwardly, he said,

753
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: because the World Health Organization hadn't do it in medicine,

754
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: yet and like three years later, boom, we got the

755
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: World Health Organization to declare the medicine. Now it's been

756
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: enshrined in law again, we're back to that prop toft moment.

757
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: But think about the grandness of this one. This is

758
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: like world moment. You know, it really is massive and

759
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: it really is medicine. I mean that's the thing that's

760
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: that it's no more baffliness, no more to smoke weed it.

761
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Think how many countries now, how we're hurting a hundred

762
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: forty for God's sakes, people are listening to this. They're

763
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: all intrigued on what cannabis is doing. No matter in

764
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty eight were in country that it's

765
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: not legal. How they find us, they're find it, their

766
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: find it. They want the medicine. They want to hear

767
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: about the medicine. They want to hear about what this

768
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: medicine is doing to people. Like people in the world

769
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: are searching for this, and it's so great that you

770
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: guys have done something like this. Michael, I appreciate your

771
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: time so much. You know, something we like to do

772
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: with our guests, just because I'm curious, we'd like to

773
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: do the high five with you. So I'm gonna ask

774
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: you five questions Michael before we let you jump, and

775
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: just fun, simple, simple ones that we like to do

776
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: with all the guests that come on the show, and

777
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: the simple one with the US Air Force veteran Michael Krawitz.

778
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: How old are the first time you smoke to cannabis?

779
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: And where did you get it from? Oh? Man, I

780
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Let's say an unknown source and uh in

781
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: junior high school? What great six seventh day? Uh, junior

782
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: high school. It goes from a seventh to nine pen

783
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: on where you're at. I guess mine was six eight.

784
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: But okay, so the good young age perfect. What is

785
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: your favorite way to use cannabis? Yeah, I guess I'm

786
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: the old fogy. You know, I think these things are generational,

787
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: but I still like to smoke cannabis. Just a little

788
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: bit of really fine extract on top of a proper

789
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: bowl or in its proper joint. UH can be just

790
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: about perfect. But the vaporizers are nice, because vay pans

791
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: are nice, you know. They you gotta admit, like you

792
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: said that they're they're a huge advantage for patients. I

793
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: never knew of it. I was always a joint smoker,

794
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: or a bowl smoker as well, or bond smoker or whatever.

795
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: So therefore now at this pen, it's just right there,

796
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: it's just to me the quickst best thing, exactly craziest

797
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: place you ever used or smoked cannabis. I guess inside

798
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: the United Nations. That's big right there. Look at US

799
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Air Force Manchu and go ahead, show off. This place

800
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: is definitely the US agent, this big one right there.

801
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: That might be very that's true, that's strong. What is

802
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: your go too much? He's I gotta I gotta stall

803
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: on that and go back for for a quick quick

804
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: story please. Actually it wasn't that many years ago that

805
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: they actually had a smoking area up you know, in

806
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: the grassy area and right down the porch outside the

807
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: United Nations and being in Austria. And then of course

808
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: they went healthy and the whole system went healthy. And

809
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: then they drove you underground to what looks like it's

810
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: in a movie. I swear, do you like it? Old

811
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Soviet looking smoking station in the parking garage somewhere that

812
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: you're allowed to smoke these days. But we actually used

813
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: to sit in sort of a knitting circle in the grass,

814
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: pass around a joint, just out of the sight of

815
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: the camera inside the United Nations during the meetings. And

816
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty blessed little thing that we

817
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: got to do for a moment. And oh wait and

818
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: one more during the big jugs on it. In two

819
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, we smoked just outside of the camp

820
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Resue inside New York at the United Nations amongst the

821
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: rubble of the Berlin Wall that they had set up

822
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: there ready to move and create the garden that they've got.

823
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: Now they've got a little gardener. You've got to get

824
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: in with a past and a visitors guide to show

825
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: it to you. But there's big chunks of the Berlin

826
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: Wall and they, of course they don't let you smoke

827
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: weed next to him now, of course not. And now

828
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: question number four, that was so great, Michael. What does

829
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: your go to munchies after you got high in the

830
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: past or is there still a good one now that

831
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: you like? You know, I've always loved pretzels. I I

832
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: think that's like the perfect munchies. Uh. I love when

833
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: they put peanut butter on them now too, so it

834
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: makes it feel like I'm getting some protein in those them,

835
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: like peanut butter and some salty and some pretzels. It's

836
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: a it's a protein snack. Now I feel I feel

837
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: it been in battle though, because if you go to

838
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: a modern convenience store, there's this wall of munchies and

839
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: then if you're lucky, you can find a bag of

840
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: pretzel and myriad somewhere exactly God forbid. Yes, question number

841
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: five with a high five with the US Air Force

842
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: veteran Michael Allen craw winz, if you could smoke cannabis

843
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: with anyone dead are alive, who would it be and why?

844
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess I'd have to go with Louis um one

845
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: of our first cannabis activists in our cannabis activists pool,

846
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: or what we call our cannabis movement broadly. Louis Sachmo

847
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Armstrong was a great lover of cannabis and if you

848
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: can to do a candy bar to munch on, it

849
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: tasted really good, but be where it was laxatid bar.

850
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: It was very strong proponent of keeping your body clear

851
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: and smoking lots of wheat. That's always good. I never

852
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: knew that. Oh funny stuff, Michael, Is there anything that

853
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: we forgot? Do you want to mention before we let

854
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: you go and once again thank you for everything that

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Speaker 1: but your movement and your service as far as being

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Speaker 1: a US Air Force man, than you for that and

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Speaker 1: continue to do things. But anything else that you want

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Speaker 1: to mention before let you go. Michael, Well, thanks man,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for you know, your attention and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate Brian's efforts and you know, us joining

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Speaker 1: together in this sort of um fraternity of of of

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Speaker 1: Veterans Veterans Action Council has been really a great experience

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Speaker 1: for me and I think for for everybody sure that

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know that the old

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Speaker 1: saying that they have for the internationals, but what does

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Speaker 1: it think globally but act locally? And it could never

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Speaker 1: be more true, and it's always been true. It can

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Speaker 1: never be more true. This stuff that you do at

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Speaker 1: the very local level, when you talk to a council member,

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Speaker 1: when you write a letter to the editor, when you

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Speaker 1: talk to your elected representatives, when you talk to your

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Speaker 1: family members and your neighbors and friends, and do these things.

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Speaker 1: They don't just ripple out. They are the body of

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Speaker 1: what you know, we attached to and and you you

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Speaker 1: are work from You're winning hearts and minds. My friends,

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Speaker 1: you are brother. Keep up the Lord's work. We greatly

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: If does anything we could ever do. You got his number,

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Speaker 1: you got our number, your brother of Brian's, your brother

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Speaker 1: of ours. Thank you so much. Michael, It's Cannabis Talk

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