WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: The Devil Rides Out

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is Joe McCormick, and today we're going into

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<v Speaker 2>the vault for an older episode of Weird House Cinema.

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<v Speaker 2>This one originally aired on April fifteenth, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's our episode on the Devil Rides Out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right as we're reairing this, we're halfway through our

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the wicker Man, and so you know we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking. We're talking about Christopher Lee a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is another very interesting Christopher Lee film.

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<v Speaker 1>Plays a very dour character, but we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun with it. So I hope you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is Joe McCormick. And today on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about The Devil Rides Out,

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen sixty eight hammer horror film about the perverted

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<v Speaker 2>terrors of the Satanic cults operating throughout inter War Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie stars Christopher Lee and Charles Gray and is

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<v Speaker 2>based on a novel from the nineteen thirties by Dennis Wheatley,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will say all of the satanic themes aside.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could only make one comment about this film,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that it is a jackpot for anybody who likes

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Christopher Lee telling people not to do things

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<v Speaker 2>and ordering them to go to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes and not Chiltern, mind you, grown adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is one of the most paternalistic movies I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen. It has an authority figure as Christopher Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>He represents order, the Sign of the Cross, conservative values,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just bosson everybody around constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone stand back, the proper British adults are here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I, of course I love Christopher Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>but his character in this movie is so pompously self

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<v Speaker 2>serious and bossy and paternalistic. I feel like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be nearly impossible for modern audiences to avoid regarding

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<v Speaker 2>this character with anything other than like amusement or contempt,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think can be extrapolated to feelings about the

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<v Speaker 2>movie in general, because this is a very competently made

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<v Speaker 2>horror movie. But if you were to just give me

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<v Speaker 2>the pitch, like you know, read me a description of

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<v Speaker 2>what this is going to be. It's a hammer horror

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<v Speaker 2>movie made in nineteen sixty eight about satanic cults, starring

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Lee as Maximum Order Daddy and Charles Gray as

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<v Speaker 2>a psychic Aleister Crowley who likes to make people garrot

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<v Speaker 2>themselves with necklaces. I would assume this was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a jolly, campy frolic charged up with like gratuitous

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<v Speaker 2>sex and fangs and orange blood, but no uncarre. Characteristically

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<v Speaker 2>for its provenance, this movie is culturally conservative and deadly serious,

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<v Speaker 2>which in this context means it is pretty much just

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<v Speaker 2>inviting us to laugh at it rather than with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean not that there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>built in laughs in this film anyway, but yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very much one where you have to find some fun

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<v Speaker 1>in a character like Christopher Lee's character, or really most

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<v Speaker 1>of the adult characters in this film, because they're very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to root for, impossible to love.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing I would say is that looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>film's marketing material would also lead the average person, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>to the wrong conclusion about its tone and content.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, absolutely, especially concerning the poster art. Now, this was

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<v Speaker 1>originally released under the title We're discussing It as the

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<v Speaker 1>Devil Rides Out. This is the British title. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the title of the book upon which it was based,

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<v Speaker 1>And so the British poster had like a devil riding

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<v Speaker 1>a horse and it looks pretty cool. I wouldn't shy

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<v Speaker 1>away from putting this on the wall. But then it's

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<v Speaker 1>released in the United States as The Devil's Bride, supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>because they thought The Devil Rides Out sounds too much

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<v Speaker 1>like a Western or And I don't know, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is just me, but I'm thinking maybe they thought it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a motorcycle film. It does sound motorcycling to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, no, no, no, let's call it the

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's Bride. But the poster for this one, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the finest nineteen sixties nineteen seventies horror posters

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<v Speaker 1>you could possibly go for.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So it has our goat head demon, our goat

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<v Speaker 2>of Mendez, which does appear in the movie. The funny

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<v Speaker 2>thing about him is he has the goat horns, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he also has floppy ears, and you would think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the floppy ears. That makes him look funny and cute,

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<v Speaker 2>But they add to the horror that it works. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got a big eye in his belly and his row

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<v Speaker 2>and then he's like holding one of the main actresses

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie in his arms, presumably you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>take her to hell with him. And then in his

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<v Speaker 2>robes you see reflect did a lot of the monsters

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<v Speaker 2>and horrors that appear throughout the film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, beautiful yellow background that also kind of works, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's a beautiful poster. Also, I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that just the image of the monster man carrying the woman,

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<v Speaker 1>the unconscious woman. This is of course an iconic theme

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<v Speaker 1>you find in various poster art from Yester Year, not

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<v Speaker 1>entirely unproblematic, but still very iconic. So this one, this

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<v Speaker 1>poster is really hitting a number of buttons, really coming

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<v Speaker 1>out with guns ablazing and makes you think this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the psychedelic satanic film par excellence. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, if that is what you're expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>be prepared to be maybe a little bit disappointed and

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself going in a slightly different direction. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>this film is still a lot of fun. It has

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<v Speaker 1>some great satanic stuff in it, some great Black Master

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<v Speaker 1>magic sequences. But this is a scene depicted on the

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<v Speaker 1>poster that does not actually occur in the film. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of constructed from elements of the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Another thing that we must stress is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a film that has not just one, but

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<v Speaker 2>two Bond villain actors in it. So, of course Chris

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<v Speaker 2>fer Lee. You know, we know Chris fh Lee on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. He plays the assassin Scaramanga in The Man

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<v Speaker 2>with the Golden Gun, a Roger Moore Bond movie from

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies I think, widely regarded as one of the

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<v Speaker 2>worst Bond movies. And then you have Charles Gray as

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<v Speaker 2>the villain in this movie, who plays Blowfeld and Diamonds

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<v Speaker 2>Are Forever, the latter of which is, without a doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>the funniest Bond villain portrayal in the entire history of

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<v Speaker 2>the franchise. Have you seen Diamonds Are Forever?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've seen both of these, but both of them

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<v Speaker 1>I last saw them when I was a child. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the Man with the Golden Gun I remember is

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<v Speaker 1>being amazing because he had that golden gun.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's the only thing I remember.

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<v Speaker 5>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden Gun is very cool, and chrispher Lee is

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<v Speaker 2>very cool, but Charles Gray and Diamonds Are Forever. He

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<v Speaker 2>he plays Blowfeld with this. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>called the style of vocal delivery, but it's the Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Grays and yeah, yes, yes, maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the one that takes place in Vegas a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, they got Las Vegas. That one's not good either.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I barely remember that one, but you know you,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be brought up pub Blofeld. This reminds me of something.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I kept thinking about in

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<v Speaker 1>this film was like, oh, we got two Bond villains.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a Bond villain actor, famous Bond villain actor

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<v Speaker 1>playing the hero and a famous Bond villain actor playing

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<v Speaker 1>the villain.

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<v Speaker 2>And though this movie was before both of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, but it made me wonder, especially with Christopher Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>is Christopher Lee just not good at playing Like how

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<v Speaker 1>much of it is is like he just needs to

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<v Speaker 1>play villains. This is an actor who excels at playing villains,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe he shouldn't play the heroes. And then how

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<v Speaker 1>much of it is just like this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a crummy hero role.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, I think it might be more

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<v Speaker 2>the latter because okay, so he's a villain in this

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<v Speaker 2>other movie. But you might think, well, maybe the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is he's just too imperious and he can't be a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of he can't have that likable, jolly protagonist energy

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<v Speaker 2>that you would need to really get people on your side.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say he has that as the villain

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<v Speaker 2>in The wicker Man. Oh when I showed so when

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel and I watched The Devil Rides Out, Rachel observed

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<v Speaker 2>that this movie is kind of inverse Wickerman. It's with

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Lee playing the Sergeant Howie character in The wicker Man,

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<v Speaker 2>just like a very uptight conservative person in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of all of this depravity and devil worship.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>In The Wickerman it's not explicitly devil it's you know, paganism.

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<v Speaker 2>Though of course, I would say the mindset that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these Satanism movies and stuff like Denni

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<v Speaker 2>Wheatley's novel would probably mostly conflate the two. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If it is not Christian, then there's a good chance

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<v Speaker 1>that it is devil worship according to this mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the other thing is that this movie, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say is Satanic Panic before the Satanic Panic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a progenitor of Satanic Panic. Even going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the novel which came out, It did come out in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was a nineteen thirties novel. And I've actually

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<v Speaker 1>read that like this the books of Dennis Wheatley, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's more than one that ends up concerningly a cult,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get into that in the bit. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>that these helped sort of influence the you know what

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<v Speaker 1>would become proper Satanic Panic in the decades to follow,

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<v Speaker 1>believe historian Philip but Jenkins has particularly pointed to a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty seven novel by Herbert Gorman titled The Place

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<v Speaker 1>Called Dagon and pointed this out as a key influence

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<v Speaker 1>on the Satanic Panic themes to come, and the book

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<v Speaker 1>apparently influenced such occult authors as Dennisweetly, as HP Lovecraft,

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<v Speaker 1>and Robert Block.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I noticed that right before you picked this movie

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<v Speaker 2>for Weird House, you sent me a you sent me

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<v Speaker 2>a link to a news segment produced sometime in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighties that was pure Satanic Panic. It was just it's

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<v Speaker 2>unreal the kind of stuff that used to run on

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<v Speaker 2>like mainstream media in the American press and on TV

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties, I think was what was this twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty or.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd believe it was, yeah, twenty twenty satanic panic.

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<v Speaker 2>Making, just like on his face, absolutely absurd claims about

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<v Speaker 2>devil ritual you know, satanic rituals and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>going on in America, but presented completely seriously as if

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<v Speaker 2>this is one hundred percent fact. Interviewing these experts who

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<v Speaker 2>are obviously like have no idea what they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, finding devil worship in every movie and music.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that was weird is it even singled out

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<v Speaker 2>a movie like The Exorcist, which I would say is

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<v Speaker 2>a movie that is about as faithfully Catholic as a

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<v Speaker 2>movie could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's ultimately the demons

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<v Speaker 1>are there, but God is there. Yeah, maybe it's I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the Exorcist, especially at the time, was regarded as

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty extreme film and you know, very shocking and

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<v Speaker 1>was very much the talk of the town. Maybe part

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<v Speaker 1>of that is, like it's not necessarily about having watched

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<v Speaker 1>the Exorcists, about the idea that the Exorcist exists, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's popularizing Satanic themes.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But so anyway, so you got interested, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>in in these like satanic panic movies through that or

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<v Speaker 2>is that a coincidence?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I mean I'm always interested in Satanic themes and things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's you know, it's it's part of it's

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<v Speaker 1>become such a part of our pop culture. So many

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<v Speaker 1>of the move There are so many movies on our

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<v Speaker 1>list of potential episodes that concern Satan worshippers in one

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<v Speaker 1>way or another. Though weirdly enough, I think the first

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<v Speaker 1>Satan worship movie that I saw as a child was

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<v Speaker 1>the Dragnet movie that Dan Akroyd did. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tom Hanks?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks and I

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<v Speaker 1>forget who plays like the high Priest of Satan. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood and Jackie Allance.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe jack Punce is in there. There's some older actor,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's that's I don't really remember that movie

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<v Speaker 1>is good or not, but it has a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Satanic cult in Hollywood of kind of imagery, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the robes, the goats, the satiric ex drugs, every kind

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<v Speaker 1>of filth. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, if you're into

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<v Speaker 1>if you're into horror films, if you're into into like

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<v Speaker 1>metal music or anything like that, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>various themes of like movie satanism are kind of unavoidable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, well, should we hear some trailer audio.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Ricks. Do you believe in evil? That's an idea. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you believe in the power of darkness? That's a superstition?

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<v Speaker 2>How there?

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<v Speaker 4>You were wrong? The power of darkness is more than

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<v Speaker 4>just a superstition. It is a living force which can

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<v Speaker 4>be tapped at any given moment of the night.

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<v Speaker 5>Why on one night, on one ear should these people

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<v Speaker 5>live in mortal fear?

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<v Speaker 4>My God? The goat of mentis.

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<v Speaker 2>The devil himself.

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<v Speaker 5>Christopher Leasdrishna, who knows he must fight the devil's power

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<v Speaker 5>to the death.

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<v Speaker 4>My God, don't BLib it.

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<v Speaker 5>The eyes Rex eyes, eyes once filled with love, are

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<v Speaker 5>consumed with fear for taneth is.

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<v Speaker 4>Now promise to the devil. Listen, care to what I've said.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Makata, the Devil's chief disciple. Your will is

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<v Speaker 5>leaving you, slipping away. The devil rides out from bestseller

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<v Speaker 5>author Dennis Whakley's famous novel fills the screen with a

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<v Speaker 5>special kind of visual quickly goodness. You will hear his evil,

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<v Speaker 5>you will feel is evil, you will see is evil.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, uh, before we get into the people here,

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably don't know if we stressed. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you mentioned it briefly. But this is, of course

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<v Speaker 1>a Hammer horror film. Have we discussed a Hammer film

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, I know it's come up in passing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we've featured one. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>him with Seth a lot, our regular producer, Seth Nicholas Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometime in the past couple of years got

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<v Speaker 2>like the ultimate box set of Hammer films and was

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<v Speaker 2>just going through them and we were talking about them all.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're not familiar, Hammer put out a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of British horror films in the I don't know when

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<v Speaker 2>their their full run was. I associate than with the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties and the seventies, and you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>films starring Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee and various Dracula

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<v Speaker 2>van Helsing Mummy kinds of roles. But then also they

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<v Speaker 2>branched out into just more general kind of sexy vampire movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Definitely, there's a shift that occurs as things

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<v Speaker 1>get more into the late sixties seventies vibe. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things about this film that has been

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out in particular, horror historian Kim Newman discusses this

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in a little short extra on the

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<v Speaker 1>Splendid Blu Ray for this movie that this is ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>more of a nineteen thirties movie. It has nineteen thirties

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<v Speaker 1>horror sensibilities, or at least nineteen fifties I believe, more

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<v Speaker 1>like a nineteen fifties horror movie, as opposed to a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight, you know, early seventies film, which would

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<v Speaker 1>have been, you know, more in line with the cultural

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<v Speaker 1>changes that are happening. This is a film, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>more for the older generation that's terrified by what's occurring,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not ready to quite embrace it or exploited.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It came out in nineteen sixty eight, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is it seems to be wagging a finger at the

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<v Speaker 2>audience and cautioning them against any stranger or unorthodox beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>or practices.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let's start at the top. The director

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<v Speaker 1>on This Baby was Terence Fisher, who have nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 1>four through nineteen eighty yeah, British film director best remembered

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<v Speaker 1>for his Hammer films. He directed a slew of them,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning in I Believe nineteen fifty one with the Last Page,

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<v Speaker 1>but really kicking into high horror gear in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven with the Curse of Frankenstein starring Christopher Lee and

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Cushing. He was already an established TV and film

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<v Speaker 1>director by this time, though, but he ended up directing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the big Hammer films, including but not

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<v Speaker 1>limited to, Horror of Dracula, Frankenstein in The Monster from Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed, Dracula, Prince of Darkness, and others.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a big poster for Terrence Fisher's production of

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<v Speaker 2>The Mummy right next to me on the wall here

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty nine, and I have the Belgian poster for it,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe because the title on it is La Meledicion

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<v Speaker 2>de Feron and to the Curse of the Pharaohs, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But the poster is great because there's like the Mummy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is played by Christopher Lee in the Terrence Fisher movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it's approaching, and then there's a lady screaming

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<v Speaker 2>in the foreground, and then behind the mummy people are

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<v Speaker 2>shining a flashlight and the beam of light is just

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<v Speaker 2>like piercing right through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes see, I have seen this poster. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a beauty because there's kind of like a cosmic sense

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<v Speaker 1>to the mummy in it. All right, we mentioned Dennis

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<v Speaker 1>Sweetly already. Dennis Sweetly wrote the novel The Devil Rides

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<v Speaker 1>Out upon which this is based. Wheaty lived eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven through nineteen seventy seven, British author of popular thriller novels,

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<v Speaker 1>often with the cult themes. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that the Kim Newman points out is like this guy

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<v Speaker 1>was a very popular author at the time. He says, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you went to the horror section of your British bookstore,

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<v Speaker 1>half the books would be Dennis Sweetly novels. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was a big deal. He was a popular author. He's

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<v Speaker 1>said to have influenced the likes of Ian Fleming because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of his books were, especially his earlier stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's sleuth centered. You know, it's about espionage

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<v Speaker 1>and spies, but also very much around based around the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, classic British machismo, you know, heroes

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<v Speaker 1>going out and risking their lives, punching somebody in the

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<v Speaker 1>face and saving a woman, that sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>then things begin to get a little more. He ends

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<v Speaker 1>up throwing in more occult themes as he goes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certainly no weekly expert. I tried reading one of

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<v Speaker 1>his books once and it didn't grab me. But my

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<v Speaker 1>understanding is that, yeah, a lot of his series, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has multiple series with recurring characters, start out more

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<v Speaker 1>traditional and then end up latching onto occult themes. And

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<v Speaker 1>we definitely see this in his Duc de Richelieu series,

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<v Speaker 1>of which this book is part right.

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Lee's character in the movie is the Duke de Rischloh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his actual given name is Nicholas. They only

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<v Speaker 2>say that like once or twice in the movie. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>he's just Duke or the Duke or Rishchlow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the first book in that series, however, is

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<v Speaker 1>just pure espionage adventure, and then the second book that

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<v Speaker 1>comes later is The Devil's Right. The Devil rides out

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<v Speaker 1>full of not only a cultist and satanist, but actual

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural forces. So it's like, imagine you had like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of James Bond movies and yeah, they've got giant

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<v Speaker 1>squids and whatnot. But then in Super Science a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you get to the point where it's like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Devil has shown up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's James Bond versus Baphomet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sort of or kind of like a proto James Bond,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, because it's very much came first. But

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<v Speaker 1>he has another series, the Gregory Sallas series, that I

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<v Speaker 1>think does much the same thing. The first book, in

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<v Speaker 1>That Black August from nineteen thirty four, imagines a futuristic

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty and economic collapse, so very much you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a different beast. But then by nineteen sixty four he

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<v Speaker 1>returns to that character in Used Dark Forces, which has

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<v Speaker 1>the hero battling Nazi occultists and I think teaming up

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<v Speaker 1>with another occultist to take them on. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I actually tried to read once and just

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<v Speaker 1>could not get into it. Your mileage may vary, but

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<v Speaker 1>I could not get into Wheeley.

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<v Speaker 2>When you pasted in a paragraph from the opening page

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<v Speaker 2>of The Devil Rides Out, I got to say I

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<v Speaker 2>was not attracted to the prose style.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think. I don't think. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of certainly modern critics that are praising his pros. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the interesting things, since this is the this

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<v Speaker 1>is not the first book to have these characters in it,

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<v Speaker 1>you could consider this movie a sequel to the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four All Spy Zero Satan's thriller Forbidden Territory, directed

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<v Speaker 1>by Phil Rosen and based on the first Duke novel,

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<v Speaker 1>though the protagonist's name and I think all the main characters'

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<v Speaker 1>names are changed for some reason. Alfred Hitchcock originally optioned

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<v Speaker 1>the book. Speaking of film adaptation, so wheat Leave's occult

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<v Speaker 1>novel To the Devil a Daughter was adapted in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six starring Christopher Lee, Richard Winmark Denholm, Elliott, and

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<v Speaker 1>Natasha Kinsky, and other films based on his work include

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<v Speaker 1>The Secret of Stambol and The Lost Continent. He allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>invited Alistair Crowley to dinner to research The Devil Rides Out.

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<v Speaker 1>I ran across that tidbit. I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 1>actually had dinner, maybe just invited him, But anybody, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>could invite Alistair Crawley to dinner, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say again, one thing to stress about

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<v Speaker 2>this is that this is different than a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the other devil worship movies horror movies that you might

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<v Speaker 2>see from the early seventies, because I would say, this

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<v Speaker 2>is in itself and is based on material that is

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely contemptuous of any alternative religious practice or devil worship

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<v Speaker 2>or anything perceived as devil worship. It believes that is real,

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<v Speaker 2>that people actually do it, and it is evil and

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<v Speaker 2>will destroy you. So this is I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>author here is it's not just like exploitation. It is

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<v Speaker 2>genuine belief in the danger of the Satanic forces massing

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<v Speaker 2>against good society. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The original intro by the author is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>funny to read because he's like, this is all fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did research it, and I am convinced Satanist

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<v Speaker 1>are in London doing their thing. Don't try this at home,

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<v Speaker 1>because your soul is in danger. Which is a weird

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<v Speaker 1>line to walk. It's like, I'm going to exploit this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm comfortable exploiting this, but don't look into this any

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<v Speaker 1>further than what I have presented here.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of reminds me of like the Da Vinci Code,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Dan Brown books, where he's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is a work of fiction, but all of

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<v Speaker 2>the historical claims and the situation of this story are

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent real and true, which in Dan Brown's case,

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<v Speaker 2>they are not right, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So yes, to my taste, Wheatley's work is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of insufferable, and there are a lot of problems with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the gentleman who adapted the screenplay is a writer

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<v Speaker 1>that I think holds up exceptionally well, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>the American novelist and screenwriter Richard Matheson, who lived nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six through twenty thirteen. American writer who is best

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<v Speaker 1>remembered as the author of the excellent nineteen fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>novel I Am Legend, upon which three films have been based.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty four is The Last Man on Earth starring Vincent Price,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one's The Omega Man starring Chuck Heston, in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and sevens I Am Legend starring Will Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>He also wrote the excellent Haunted House novel Hell House,

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<v Speaker 1>the thriller Duel, and the Shrinking Man. All these were

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<v Speaker 1>adapted into films Duel by a young Steven Spielberg, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as other adaptations include What Dreams May Come, A

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<v Speaker 1>Stir of Echoes, and others. He also wrote a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of TV, including sixteen episodes of the original Twilight Zone,

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<v Speaker 1>including the iconic Nightmare at twenty thousand Feet episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>he also wrote for such shows as Night Gallant, Original

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek, The Alfred Hitchcock Hour Thriller, and as far

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<v Speaker 1>as films go, his screenplays include Trilogy of Terror, Corman's

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<v Speaker 1>House of Usher, and of course Jaws three D.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaws three D. That was Matheson. Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. One of the things about Matheson, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that Kim Newman points out, is like Matheson

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<v Speaker 1>was great. Matheson's you know, work certainly holds up to

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<v Speaker 1>a modern reader, so much better than Wheatley. But also

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<v Speaker 1>he worked with Corman a bit, so he could also

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<v Speaker 1>work very fast. Yes, and presumably he says, you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably work on a reasonable budget if you're working for Corman.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, I see. So it's the Corman principle. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, coming to Charles B. Griffith and saying I

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<v Speaker 2>need a movie called Attack of the Giant Crabs. It

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done in four days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, presumably, But anyway, I mean written, mathes is great

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and has created so much wonderful work over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting though that in a very British film

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<v Speaker 1>we have this very you know, American writing force that

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.879
<v Speaker 1>is adapting it and tweaking it a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>also ultimately removing many things that probably didn't work all

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that well. In the Wheely novel.

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<v Speaker 2>One last Thing, I didn't know that Matheson had written

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<v Speaker 2>one of the Corman Poe movies, and I'd been thinking,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>we need to do one of the Corman Poe movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, stay tuned, we may just do that, all right. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into the cast here. So kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>last last episode, the last new episode we did. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what can you say about Christopher Lee, who plays the

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<v Speaker 1>duke here. You know, he's been in so many things,

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 1>lived nineteen twenty two through twenty fifteen. He has one

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 1>of those careers that had like multiple you know, you

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>had some sort of dips here and there, but also

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially later in life, he was in so

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>many great films and you know, memorable films at least

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's known for playing so many villains, Dracula, Sorrowman,

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Scott Amanga, Count Dooku, Lord summer Isle, Frankenstein's Monster, Kris

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>The Mummy. He also voiced the villain King Hagrid in

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two. Is the Last Unicorn, which I just

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 1>watched more than half of with my family last night

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and was really enjoying that so and that also reminded

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I was looking up some stuff about Last Unicorn on

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Last Unicorn is one of these where they hired Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Lee for it, and he was very enthusiastic about it,

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>apparently a big reader, and he showed up with the

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>original novel with things earmarked, saying, these absolutely cannot be cut.

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>These lines have to stay in the picture. And he

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<v Speaker 1>apparently did this with Lord of the Rings as well. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably with this film, because I understand that The

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<v Speaker 1>Devil Rides Out was also a film where he liked

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>the book and he was really excited for the film

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and probably showed up with the book and was like, no, sorry, Matheson,

0:26:59.119 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>this goes in this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny because I actually watched part of an interview

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 2>or I think it was an audience Q and A

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>with some event that he was doing, and a member

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of the audience asks him, you know, it's been rumored

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that you have a large occult library. Is that true?

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 2>And how'd you get interested in that? And he says, no,

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 2>it is not true. I have maybe four or five

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>books on the occult, and one of them, he says,

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>is an original copy of The Devil Rides Out, signed

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>by the author, So he's clearly a fan. But then

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 2>he also cautions the audience not to experiment with devil worship.

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<v Speaker 1>He's basically the Duke.

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, yeah, gotta love Christopher Lee. It's hard

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to pick a favorite role. I'm tempted to go. I mean,

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>he is Saruman to me. It's one of those performances

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>that is so thoroughly the character that it replaces whatever

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>imagination you might have had from the book before you

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>saw the movie. He just embodies it perfectly. But then

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 2>the other thing I would say, maybe even more than that,

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 2>is Lord Summerle. I mean, he is the general and

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Pagan from the Wickerman. It's it's it just can't be beat.

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, these these are all great roles. I love

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>all the roles that I mentioned already, and and there

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of Christopher Lee performances out there I haven't seen,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure there's some other gems.

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I know. One thing I've said on the show before,

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a huge fan of the the Star Wars prequels,

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 2>but there's always that moment when Christopher Lee shows up

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>in them where I think the way I've put it before,

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>and I stand by this, is that it's like in

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>a movie that is kind of stuffy and suffocating, Christopher

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Lee walks on screen and suddenly it's like someone has

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>opened a window and let fresh air and now everything's oh,

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>oh oh, things feel great now.

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I love his betrayal of Dooku in those two Star

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Wars films, and I especially love in the opening of

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the Revenge of the Sith, where you have that that's

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that duel between Anakin and Douku, and then of course

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you have Palpatine watching on and ultimately deciding it's fate. Yeah,

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a great sequence, and Lee's great in it because

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, he's very much He's great. He was

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>always great at playing this kind of grandiose and egotistical villain,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and then we get to see like the vulnerability briefly

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>as he's betrayed by his master. So yeah, Lee always

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>brought brought something great to the table.

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it's an interesting casting choice for this character

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of the Duke de Richlow that the protagonist of the movie,

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 2>who who represents order and the side of good against

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>against the chaos and evil of Charles Gray as mister Mocatta.

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm kind of wondering, like, could you have

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>cast somebody else in this role and how would the

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>movie be different if you had?

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like part of me was thinking, well, maybe, like

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe Lee, especially at this point, wasn't as good at

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>like portraying like likable and vulnerable characteristics, like whereas someone

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like Peter Cushing his close friend and you know in

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Frequent co Star, maybe he would have been able to

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>deliver that better. But then again, I come back to

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the way this character's written, and maybe anybody would have

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>been stuffy and unlikable in this role.

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>One thing I got to say is the bizarre choice,

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and maybe this reflects how the esthetics of Satanism have

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>changed over time. But they give Christopher Lee devil worship

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>or facial here they give him the classic Satanist goateee's

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>when he's playing the guy who's against the Satanists.

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then it is interesting when we look at

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>who's playing his adversary, Mocatta, the High Priest of the

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>London chapter of the Church. It's not actually the Church

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of Satan, but this whatever the Satanic cult is calling itself,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>this is played by Charles Gray, who lived nineteen twenty

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>eight through the year two thousand.

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I think they're called the Friends of the Goat.

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Friends of the Goat. Okay, So Gray not as legendary

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>as Christopher Lee, perhaps, but certainly a celebrated British character

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>actor in his own right, often remembered for playing aristocratic

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and villainous roles, you know, very sort of tight liped

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to clinch jawed villains, very British. But he played some

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>big ones. We already mentioned his run as Blowfeld and

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Diamonds Are Forever. But he also he also played a

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>good guy in sixty seven's You Only Live Twice. So

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>he's actually in two Bond films.

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right. He's like another spy who Bond meets

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>somewhere and I remember he gets a knife in the

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>back through a paper wall.

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that. He is fun. He played Microft Holmes,

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>this is Sherlock Holmes's brother, both in the nineteen seventy

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.959
<v Speaker 1>six film The Seven Percent Solution and also in the

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Brett Excellent Jeremy Brett Grenada television series of Sherlock Holmes.

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've got to see those.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, he's a lot of fun.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>And wait was the Seven Percent Solution?

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Is that.

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Meyer?

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It is? Yes, this was his novel.

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I bet that's great.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>But of course, for many of you out there, Gray

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>is best remembered as the criminologist an expert in nineteen

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>seventy five's The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>It's just to jump to the left.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But he's in a lot of other things too.

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>For instance, he was in Richard O'Brien's follow up musical film,

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Shock Treatment, which I have not been able to get

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>into yet. I keep thinking, Oh, I love Rocky Horror.

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll give Shock Treatment a try, and I'll listen to

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the music a little bit. And it just hasn't happened.

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>He's also in the Wonderfully fun nineteen seventy four were

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Wolf Who Done It? The Beast must Die? This is

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the film that has a were wolf break, as you'll remember.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Joy, So yeah, you can collect your thoughts about who

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the were wolf is.

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>He also dubbed for Jack Hawkins in the film Theater

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of Blood and others after Hawkins's Larnix was removed to

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>combat throat cancer.

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Theater of Blood is the other movie we talked about

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>in the episode with about Doctor Fibes. It was the

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>other movie where Vincent Price must return from the grave

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>or after being assumed dead, to get revenge on nine

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>specific people who he believed wronged him.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>So Gray is fun in this, but he's very much

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>playing a kind of stern and serious Alistair Crowley with

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>hair but also as this is I thought. Another fun

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>tid that Kim Newman points out is he's kind of

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 1>playing Alistair Crowley's idea of what Aleister Crowley seemed like

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to everybody else, you know, like like Crowley himself was

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, a bit of a con man

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>in his own right, you know, and was many other things.

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>But he may have thought that he came off like

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>this to other people. This highly charismatic, British occultist with

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>hypnotic eyes that just instantly has power over everyone when

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>he walks into a room. And then the other interesting

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>thing is that you have this character that this is

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a film again where Satanan, anything that's not British and

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Christian is potentially Satanist in nature, it's potentially Satanism. And

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you have this character with his name Mocata that I'm

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to understand maybe has more of an international flare in

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the novel, but here we have him played by a

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>very British actor with a very British performance.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know how much we've emphasized the xenophobic

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>themes of this movie already, but yeah, there is very

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>much a sense that like that which is foreign is

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>very likely associated with the devil. Though I'm a little confused.

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I know there's always some cultural crossover

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>between between Britain and France, but is Richlowe supposed to

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 2>be British or French? His name is French, and he

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>mentions I think he mentions that he and another character

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>that their fathers had worked together in some kind of

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 2>French organization. But he also just in every other way

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 2>appears to be British.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very confusing, yeah, because it's a very French name,

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>but in the film, at least, it's a very British portrayal. Likewise,

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mokata seems to have been played up in

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the novel for being something kind of you know, international

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and the foreign and threatening. But of course Mocatta's the

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>name Mokata has been has been very British for a

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>long time. I mean, I believe it's tied to some

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>important banking families and so forth. So I'm a little

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>confused on that.

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>All right, should we go to the next actor.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to find how to pronounce her name,

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 2>and I was sorry that I could not find a

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>good example of it being said out loud, but it is.

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Her name is I think Nick Arigi. Her first name

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>is spelled like the brand Nike in Ike, but I

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>guess that's niek Okay.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>She plays Tenneth Carlisle in this film, which is probably

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the more likable characters. It's a very low

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>bar in this film, but yeah. She was born nineteen

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>forty seven French visual artist and former actor. As an actor,

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>she was only active from I Believe nineteen sixty six

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>through nineteen seventy four, appearing in various European horror and

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>art house films. She had a small part in kin

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Russell's nineteen sixty nine film Women in Love nineteen seventy

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 1>one's Countess Dracula. Other films include parts in Sunday Bloody Sunday,

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>playing a nun in kin Russell's The Devil's a Season

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>in Hell The Perfume of the Lady in Black. That

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>was her last picture, but then she went on to

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>focus on her art, and she has a website and

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you can look at examples of her art there. Some

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 1>of these look like surrealistic oil and watercolor pieces.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was looking through her paintings and I really

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>like some of them. They're interesting. So some are just

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 2>like watercolor landscapes showing I don't know, a waterfall or

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a city skyline or something, and then others are really surreal.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>There's one of these women in I don't know, having

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>like a big It might be one of those things

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 2>they put on your I don't know what these are called,

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>These things they put on your head at the hairdresser

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 2>that like do a perm on you or something. It's

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>like a big glass helmet, but it's absurdly large in

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the painting, making it look more like a science fiction device,

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>like it's scanning this this lady's brain while she's sitting

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>there with rollers in her hair, holding a baby. It's

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>a very, i don't know, weird interesting painting, and I

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>like it at any rate.

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>She's good in this. She's acting opposite a whole lot

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>of stiff, unlikable male characters. So but it's easily the

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>character that seems to have like the most inner conflict.

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's not ultimately not given a tremendous amount

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of agency in this, so it's not you know, it's

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 1>not one of like, you know, the great roles one

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 1>might hope for, but you know, she breathes a lot

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of life into it.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are several parts where she just has to

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 2>gaze into the camera with like with hypnotized or possessed eyes,

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and her eyelids go super wide, and she has some

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of quality to her irises that makes them really

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>good for this kind of shod that looks intense.

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>All right. The next actor of note is Leon Green

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>playing Rex van Row, though the character is dubbed by

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Allen Green lived nineteen thirty one through twenty twenty one.

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>British actor who appeared in such films as a Funny

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum and Flash Gordon.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>In this he is the ultimate square job British man

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>who is ready to punch Satanists, punch windshields, whatever it

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>takes if it means saving a pretty lady from non

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>British ideas.

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 2>He is our turbo lug. You I think you mentioned

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>when we were chatting about it, you said Rex is

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 2>ready to punch and kiss. Yes, that's about it. Yeah,

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>somehow I kept thinking, well, this doesn't quite communicate his

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>physical genre, which is sort of hunky lug. But he

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>reminded me of a cross between Chris Cooper and Buddy Hackett.

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could see that. He's also our skeptic for

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>like three minutes anyway in the film, because he's because

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the Duke is like, Satanism is real and it's a

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>major threat to everything we know and love and buy

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>that at all. But then the Duke is like, look

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>at this, and then Rex is like, I'm convinced.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the famous the power of darkness is a living

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 2>force speech.

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So a lot of this film is going to

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>concern another character who they're very concerned about, and that

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is the character Simon Aaron played by Patrick Mower born

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty eight, Still active as he was just on

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 1>a British series called Emmerdale Farm. He's done a bunch

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>of TV work as well as such films as the

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy vincent price movie Cry of the Banshee and

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one's Incense for the Damned. He's pretty good

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>in this in part because again his character is one

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of the few that seems to be in in genuine

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>conflict and gets to act a little bit more and ultimately,

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>ultimately maybe is a little more relatable.

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I kept thinking he looks like Toby Maguire. He kind

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>of does, yeah, he does.

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Quick note that we have that goat monster, the goat

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of Mendy's that shows up later on. This is uncredited

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>played by Eddie Powell, who lived nineteen twenty seven through

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand, a six' Five british stunt man

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 1>who also wound up in costume as such creatures as

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>The xeno morph in alien for stunt. Purposes The mummy

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>And The Mummy shroud And, yeah and this film he

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 1>plays the goat. Himself powell also did stunts on such

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 1>films As Willow, Legend, Batman, Indiana jones And The Last,

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Crusade kroll in Various bond. Movies on that, note speaking of,

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Monsters i'm just going to briefly mention the makeup effects

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>artists responsible for many Of hammer's best. Monsters Roy ashton

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was the monster maker on this nineteen o nine through

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety. Five and then the. Music this Is James,

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>bernard who lived nineteen twenty five through two thousand and.

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>ONE a classmate Of Christopher lee's At Wellington, college he

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>composed the scores of a whole bunch Of hammer horror,

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>films and later in life he wrote an original score

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>for Nos veratu in nineteen ninety.

0:40:54.560 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Seven all, right are you ready to talk about the

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 2>plot a little?

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Bit let's do.

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>It, Okay so the movie starts with a reunion of old.

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Friends we Get rex Van renn. Again this is played

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 2>By Leon, green arriving by aeroplane which he pilots, himself

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and landing in some kind OF i don't know. Field

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just like a landing strip in somewhere in Rural,

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 2>england it looks, like and he meets With Christopher lee

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>playing The duke De, rischlow who is watching with binoculars

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>as he. Lands AND i Assume rex is arriving from,

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>overseas But i'm not.

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Positive, YEAH i think in the books he's Actually, american

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>even which is. Interesting, AGAIN i just englished him right.

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Up, anyway they appear to be old, friends reunited after

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 2>some time, apart and so we learn that they have

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a mutual friend Named, simon And rex is, curious where is?

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>He why isn't he here to greet me at the

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>airfield like, You and The duke, says, well he hasn't

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>heard From simon in three. Months he doesn't go to

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>his club In london, anymore which that's a horrible. Sign

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's moved into a large house in the. Country

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 2>And rex is worried That simon might be in some

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of. Trouble BUT i immediately this should be an

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>alarm bell for how this character is going to. Go

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>The duke is, like, now that's. Preposterous he would have

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>told me if he was in. Trouble but they decide

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>to go pay him a. Visit, oh and when they,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>DO i don't know if you notice the same. Detail

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>it involves the. Duke they get into the back of

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>a car and the duke talks through some kind of

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>hose lined with red velvet to tell the driver where to.

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Go, YEAH i don't THINK i remember seeing this in

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>a film, before BUT i guess this must have been

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a thing because he's supposed to take place in the,

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>THIRTIES i.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Believe, yeah so he talks into the velvet hose and then,

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>yeah they get. There so they head out To simon's,

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 2>mansion and as soon as they're at his doorstep ringing the,

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>bell twilight has. Fallen there's creepy music. PLAYING a butler

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>answers the, door And Christopher lee is immediately highly. Suspicious

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>you see him squinting and furrowing his brows at everything

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>in the. House he just like looks at a vase,

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 2>suspiciously and he gazes into an open doorway like that's.

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Trouble and then they get led into the next, room

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>where it looks Like simon must be hosting a nice.

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Party and again it's one of those things where you

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 2>look at the party it looks like there's nothing. Wrong

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>with it at. All it looks, nice but The duke

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>immediately appears to have some kind of internal alarm sirens

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.959
<v Speaker 2>screaming in his. Brain BUT i would say the only

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>thing that looks unusual about the party is, that like

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>you walk through and you like hear people, talking and

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you see people's clothes and, stuff and it appears that

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>not everyone here is From, england like there appear to

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>be people from all throughout Continental europe And West africa

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And South. Asia and then they're, like Dear.

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>God, YEAH i, mean there's nothing in this scene that

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 1>would make you thinks anything other than maybe a you,

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>know various academics from around the world have gathered to,

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 1>discuss you, know a policy or, something, yeah you, know

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>un meeting or. Something but, yeah but they're just they're

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>just immediately. Horrified this is no. Good simon is in the.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Deep so, yeah, AGAIN i think this is showing these

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 2>weird xenophobic assumptions of the. Movie it's just, like, oh

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>there's tons of people from other countries. Here this must

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 2>be devil. Worship so they See, simon they come up

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 2>and talk to. Him rex is, like sorry for interrupting your,

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 2>party And simon is like, oh it's just a meeting

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of a little astronomical Society i've. Joined so because they

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.879
<v Speaker 2>looked outside when they were when they were outside, earlier

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>they looked up and there appears to be some kind

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 2>of like observatory dome at the top of his new.

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>House and then we meet some major. Characters we meet

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Mister mocatta played By Charles. Gray he's not scary yet

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>in this. Scene in this scene he's more In blowfeld.

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Mode he just has to, say you, know, well, well excuse, me,

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 2>gentlemen there's SOMETHING i must say To, simon and he

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>takes him. Aside and then they get a moment to

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 2>speak With tanneth played By Nick, arighi and she's confused

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 2>about their. PRESENCE i think she assumes that they are

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 2>part of the. Coven but then she, says surely we're

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 2>not meant to be more than. Thirteen and as soon

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>as she says, thirteen this gets a dramatic wheel about

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 2>From Christopher. Lee you, know he whips his head with

0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>his eyes, wide and you know that like he's really

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>sure that there's trouble. Now so they're asked to, leave

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 2>but first The duke, asks you, know before we, depart

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 2>MAY i see your observatory because he says he's recently

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 2>become interested in. Astronomy he would like to peek through the,

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 2>telescope And simon tries to, object but as always in this,

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Movie Christopher lee just gives him the do AS i

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>command you, eyes and then they head on. Up now

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 2>we'll see this observatory room in a couple of. Scenes

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>but there is a giant goat Head baphomet on the floor,

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 2>tiles and another ONE i think on the. Wall and

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>when they come, in they're, like this is. Interesting are

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>these astronomical? Charts simon's just, like, oh it's just a.

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Decoration but then the, real the real thing that that

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>seals the deal is there's some noises in the closet

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and we get the chicken, Reveal rob do you want

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>to describe this? Moment?

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is this is. Great so in just like

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 1>pure inquisitor, mode the duke goes over to the, closet

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 1>pulls it, open and you, know we see, this you,

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 1>know view the. Shot it's shot from the, closet horrified

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>look on his face because he opens his basket and

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of chickens in there and these

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>are the hallmarks of black. Magic you can't practice black

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>magic unless you've got some chickens around of, SACRIFICE i.

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Guess, Yeah but it was the pair of chickens that

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 2>that clinched it that this is definitely black, magic and

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>not The baphomet circle on the floor.

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Right right the bathroom at circle is certainly like there

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>are other reasons to have chickens. Around there would even

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>be other reasons to, have, say a black cat and

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a chicken, Around but to have the the Full baphomet, floor,

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>yeah that's that suggests something.

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Else, oh but then we get the so he sees the,

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 2>chickens And lee knows for sure what's going, on and

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 2>then we GET i would say the line of the

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 2>film that stands out more than any, other which is

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 2>he turns To, simon he, says you, Fool i'd rather

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>see you dead than practicing black.

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Magic it's such a it's such a great and telling

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 1>line like. This it may just adds extra unlikeability to this,

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>character you, know LIKE i WOULD i would rather you

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>be dead than adhere to some ideology that doesn't perfectly

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 1>line up with.

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Bio so The duke Exhorts simon to leave the. House he's,

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like come with, us you, know we will get you

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 2>out of, this And simon doesn't want to, go so

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 2>he just punches him, out just knocks him. Out they

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 2>repeatedly do this To. Simon by the, way by the

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 2>end of this, movie he will have had major head.

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Trauma, YEAH i have to. ADMIT i, MEAN i know

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that you're not supposed to punch people in the face

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and try and knock them. Out you're not supposed to

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 1>hit people over the head with bottles and so, forth

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>which these things happen in films all the. Time but

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks AGO i sustained a very mild concussion

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.839
<v Speaker 1>and it was not. Fun and ever Since i've been

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe a little like heightened sensitivity to these moments in.

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Films so like something like this happens And i'm, like,

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>oh that's a concussion for, Sure and Then i'm, like,

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.760
<v Speaker 1>oh he just had a concussion earlier in the. Picture

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this is so. Dangerous stop Punching.

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Simon, YEAH i love. It in movies they just treat

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 2>hitting people on the head as like general. Anesthesia, well

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>it just renders the, harmlessly renders them unconscious for some

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 2>short period of.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Time how are you supposed to end a scene and

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>have somebody you need to get them to another location

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and have them wake up and observe. Things so you

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 1>need you need some head trauma in. Between.

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so, anyway they go back to The duke's house

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>and there is a great hypnotism. Scene this is one

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:48.399
<v Speaker 2>of the first scenes indicating That Christopher lee's character not

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>only knows what the the the rituals of darkness, are

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>but he can practice them. Himself.

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Apparently oh, yeah this this of course ties in so

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 1>per with a lot of the satanic panic energies that

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the decades to, come and even some of the you,

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>know the scare tactics you see in other social, panics

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and you, know fundamentalists and conservative mindsets where the individual's

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>warning you about the. Evil whatever the evil happens to,

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 1>be they know all about. It they've got all the

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>grizzly details and they will list it for. You they

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 1>know all the, terminology they have seen the. Stuff but they're.

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Safe they're concerned about your. Safety and so like The

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>duke is already coming off it's such a hypocrite.

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Here, yeah so he there's this hypnotism scene where he

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.319
<v Speaker 2>like puts a mirror in front Of, simon and he's he's,

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 2>like look into the mirror Of simon and he, brainwashes

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 2>like he seizes his mind, somehow and he's, like you

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 2>must go to bed now is one of the many

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 2>great sending people to bed. Scenes he sends him up

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 2>to his. Bedroom he puts a crucifix necklace on. Him

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.319
<v Speaker 2>he says it's a symbol of. Protection and then they

0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>break out the snifters of brown. LIQUOR i love that

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.760
<v Speaker 2>there's there's just like numerous unlabeled jars of brown liquor

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>for them to drink. From And Christopher lee And rex

0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>they sit down to have the talk about devil, worship

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and he Asks, rex do you believe in? Evil and you,

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Know rex is like ah magic and all. THAT i

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 2>think it's hocus. Pocus but then The duke gives a

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>speech about how the power of darkness is not just

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>an idea but a, living breathing. Thing and it's clear

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 2>now that they're up against something big and they may

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 2>have to do battle with it throughout the rest of the. Film,

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile simon upstairs in The duke's, bed his eyes snap.

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Open he seems to be under the influence of, something

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>and he starts gathering up the chain of his crucifix

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 2>necklace and starts garrotting himself with, it and it seemed

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 2>for a minute like he was going to. DIE i

0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>assume this character he's a. Goner but then the butler

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>comes in and helpfully removes the crucifix from his, neck

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 2>and Then simon just bolts out the. Window so at

0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 2>this point the caper is on for the rest of.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Them The duke And rex will be in pursuit of

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 2>their Friend simon and eventually also Of tanneth to free

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:09.720
<v Speaker 2>them from the cult and from the jaws Of satan.

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Himself and so maybe at this point we can just

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 2>sort of zero in on several scenes and sequences throughout

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the movie that struck. Us one of

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>WHICH i think we've got to talk about is the

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 2>return to the, house because the first thing The duke

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 2>And rex do When simon gets out of The duke's

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>place is, like, well maybe he went back. Home so

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>they go break in through a window and look around

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 2>to see if he's, there or If mocatta's coven is still.

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>There that's. Right they go up to the observatory and

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>then what starts happening to the, Floor, well out of

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>that goat head on the, floor you have this sinister

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>smoke begins to, rise and we essentially have our first

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 1>proper summoning of the. Film they're, LIKE i think three

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 1>different summonings of, note and it seems to, summon you,

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 1>know it's like smokes bringing in some sort of. Form

0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>what's it going to.

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Be it's gonna be a, monster, right, sure a monster.

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Or you, know a. Demon maybe it'll be the goat

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.319
<v Speaker 1>guy from the, poster but, no it's just a dude

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that looks slightly.

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Stoned yeah when we first saw. Him so there are

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 2>some good monsters later, on BUT i was just, like

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.720
<v Speaker 2>this is just a. Guy but he's got bloodshot. Eyes

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's just a.

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Dude i've seen, this this this summoned being described as

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.399
<v Speaker 1>a gin or a, demon but it's Just nigerian born

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Actor Willie payne in red pants with a with a

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>legitimately kind of creepy smile and very stone looking. Eyes

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>they're able to play it up a, bit so it's

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:38.799
<v Speaker 1>not like it doesn't, work but it also seems to

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 1>lean really hard into this idea of non white, equals

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:43.759
<v Speaker 1>possibly satanic.

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Thing.

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah this scene didn't feel. Great it was it

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>seems to lean more on those kind of xenophobic assumptions

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>that the movie.

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Has, yeah because the only other non white act characters

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in the, film Including nigerian born actor Playwright Jimmy goodman A,

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>jibbai they are all seen as members of the. Cult

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>none of the.

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Cult the cult is, international it's got members from all, over.

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Right so, yeah this this feels it's a little weird

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to watch, This and it's also a little weird That

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>hammer picked this scene out put it on their. YouTube

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>they like here it. Is but if you lean into

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the sort of like here's a really stone dude summoned

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to combat your, heroes AND i kind of like, that

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of, like don't look at his. Eyes he's really.

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Stoned, yeah, yeah and and he's like hypnotizing, THEM i

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 2>guess with his eyes to like get them to come

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 2>into the circle of. Baphomett BUT i think they defeat

0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 2>him by throwing a. Crucifix, yeah the first of several

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 2>crucifix lobbings in the. Film.

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah the crucfix are like the holy hand. Grenade they

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>make demons just.

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Explode, yeah, one, two, five and then they blow him

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 2>up and then they run out of the. House NOW

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 2>i think the next big thing is that The duke is,

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 2>like you, must you must Find taneth BECAUSE i must

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 2>go to The British. Live and what's he Gonna he's,

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:05.879
<v Speaker 2>like gonna look into several occult tomes that are kept

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>under lock and. Key fortunately the person who runs the

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:10.960
<v Speaker 2>occult tome section is a friend of.

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>His, yes, again it's safe for The duke to be

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 1>interested in these things and be knowledgeable to these. Things

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>but not. You not, You Simon. Simon i'd rather you

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be dead than read some of the books THAT i.

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Read So. Rex the next thing we see With, rex

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 2>he's just Got tanneth in the car and they're out

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 2>driving in the country, somewhere and it's one of those

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>weird scenes where somebody's already in the car with somebody

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 2>and then she's, like so why AM i? Here where

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>are we? Going and Then i'm, like, well why did

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:44.880
<v Speaker 2>she get in the? Car what did they say before

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>she got in the? CAR i don't.

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Know but then it becomes. Clear he's, Like i'm here

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to rescue you From. Satanism, yeah and she's, LIKE i

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be, rescued and then, yeah it ultimately

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>ends up being a whole chase. Sequence.

0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well but also before, that he's, Like i'm here

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 2>rescue you From satan and take you out to. Lunch

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 2>do you want to go on a?

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 5>Date?

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah and so they're they're planning on going to

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 2>lunch at a friend's. House this is the house Of

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 2>richard And marie and their Daughter, peggy who will become

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>bigger characters in the third. ACT a lot of the

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 2>second half of the movie takes place at their. House

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 2>BUT i was also wondering about they're not sure who he's.

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Bringing so it's, like, hello old, FRIEND i brought a

0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 2>bride Of satan to your house for.

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Lunch i've kidnapped. Somebody this is the other. Thing this

0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 1>film has a lot of. Kidnappings And simon has already been, kidnapped,

0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>yes and Now taneth has been. Kidnapped, yes and there'll

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 1>be more kidnappings to. Come.

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she lured away on false pretenses OR i assume

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.239
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what they said before she got in the,

0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 2>car but at least continuing along the journey after she

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>has said, NO i would rather go back to my

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 2>satan worship, Please and then this leads to a complex

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>series of chases where she steals a car from somewhere

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and drives, away and Then rex has to chase after,

0:55:57.600 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 2>her and there's A you didn't expect a car chase this,

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 2>movie did? You but the car chase does Involve rex

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>punching through his own windshield. Yep and they, eventually, oh

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 2>they use magic to make him wreck.

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:14.799
<v Speaker 1>His, car but he's knocked. Unconscious another, concussion.

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes and then she so she eventually makes her

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:22.279
<v Speaker 2>way back To mokata Because mokata was like hypnotizing her

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 2>through the rear view mirror in the.

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Car, well mirrors are, magic we know. That, oh that's.

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:30.879
<v Speaker 2>Right so Eventually rex stumbles upon A satanic mass That

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.880
<v Speaker 2>mokata is conducting in the. Woods actually it looks pretty.

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Tame it's just a lot of people in like white,

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:41.160
<v Speaker 2>robes the, bosses Like. Mokata he's wearing a purple, robe,

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>yes but a lot of people in white robes just

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 2>drinking wine and dancing. Like it is not as debauched

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 2>as some of the devil worship scenes in later movies would.

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Be, right but it does have the ultimate that they

0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice a, goat and then here comes the goat. Himself

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 1>we have this wonderful appearance by the goat Of. Mendy's

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it's the goat headed humanoid, form and it looks very.

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Good it's legitimately. CREEPY i think this was a scene

0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that they pulled off rather well because he just kind of,

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>appears you. Know it's like he's come out of the.

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Woods you've thrown a satanic party that is fun enough

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>that he is making an, appearance and everyone gets very.

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Excited, yeah and one THING i noted was like when

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>they cut the goat's throat in the, sacrifice it's like

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.400
<v Speaker 2>dropping the beat in the, club like everybody goes. Wild.

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah they get very excited about. It and, yeah

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the goat looks. Great it's NOT i should, stress it's

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>not the goat you see on the. Poster they took

0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the head of the goat creature here and they put

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it on one of the like probably The Charles gray

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Character mocatta's robed, body and sort of built themselves a

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.200
<v Speaker 1>poster out of images from the.

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Film, well, anyway at this, mass it's. Worse simon And

0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 2>tanneth are going to be baptized in the name Of.

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Satan rex goes to a nearby payphone and summons the,

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 2>duke and so The duke comes and joins, him and

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 2>then they're, like, oh we've got to stop. This we've

0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>got to stop this before they are baptized to the Evil.

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 2>One so they decide they're going To oh how They

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the duke is, LIKE i wish there were some, light

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and then he's, like what has? Light the headlights of a.

0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Car so they're, like we can defeat them with. Car

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 2>so they get into a car and then they drive

0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>up on this, ceremony blasting the. HEADLIGHTS i guess they

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.880
<v Speaker 2>turned the brights, on and that seems TO i don't,

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>know it does. Something everybody's, like. Oh and then they

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 2>lab a second holy hand. Grenade they throw a crucifix

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 2>at the goat and the goat explodes.

0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah and Then rex is in there Punching, satanists Grabbing,

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>canneth carrying her, off AND i was struck by The

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of ironic that we don't see the goat.

0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Creature we don't see The Great, goat The devil himself

0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>carrying an unconscious, woman but we do See rex grabbing

0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.720
<v Speaker 1>our female character and running off into the.

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Night, yes and they also they Rescue tanneth And simon

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and they take them back To richard And marie's, house

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Where Christopher lee promptly starts managing everybody's sleeping. Arrangements he's,

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>like you will go to, bed and you will sit

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 2>beside the person who goes to, bed and. Commanding, yeah

0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.600
<v Speaker 2>so commanding people what to, DO i. Think so he

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>gives them all these instructions while he goes out to

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 2>fetch some magical. Implements and then there's another big set

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 2>piece which and this SCENE i actually thought was pretty

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.440
<v Speaker 2>effective in the way it was meant to be the

0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>visit By. Mokata So Charles gray just shows up at the.

0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Door makata arrives at the house and, HE i guess

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 2>it's proper courtesy to invite someone, in even if they

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.960
<v Speaker 2>are the priest of The High priest Of, satan so

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you know he's invited him By. Marie and Then mokata

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And marie sit down in the study to have a

0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 2>conversation where he will ask her to Hand simon And

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 2>tanneth over to. Him he, Says i'm not actually evil

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.440
<v Speaker 2>in magic there is no or, evil and then he

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<v Speaker 2>tries to hypnotize her and bind her will to his

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>by the power of. Darkness AND i gotta say props

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 2>To Charles gray in this. Scene while he is often

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:14.560
<v Speaker 2>funny in this, movie in this scene he is extremely.

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<v Speaker 2>GOOD i think actually rather.

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<v Speaker 1>Scary, yeah, yeah he's great in this. Scene there's also

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>another sequence where it's just the cult ist marching out

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<v Speaker 1>of the observatory house with some kind of thunderous music

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's up front with a very stern look on his,

1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 1>face where he also feels very powerful and a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary, Yeah and so he's Hypnotized marie and he's, like

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<v Speaker 2>where Is simon and she says, upstairs WHICH i mean

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:44.080
<v Speaker 2>he probably could have guessed, that but, anyway so he's trying,

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<v Speaker 2>TO i, guess get them out of the. House but

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<v Speaker 2>then he fails because the kid living in the, House,

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<v Speaker 2>peggy she runs in asking for a snack or. Something she's,

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 2>like where's my? Ball and Then marie is snapped out

1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:59.560
<v Speaker 2>of her trance and Asks macatta to. Leave AND i

1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:02.680
<v Speaker 2>thought that, funny especially Because rachel was, like it's the

1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:04.560
<v Speaker 2>kid that's going to defeat the. Devil oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's also kind of it reminded, me of, course

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<v Speaker 1>Of Indiana, jones like next, Time Doctor, Jones it'll take

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<v Speaker 1>more than children to save.

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<v Speaker 2>You oh, yeah. Yeah but So mokata is asked to.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave he, does but then there's a great. Line he,

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<v Speaker 2>SAYS i will not be, back but something.

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<v Speaker 1>Will, hmmm oh and that's that's. Something should we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Something?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, YEAH i, MEAN i guess this leads into the

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<v Speaker 2>main thing that's left in the, movie which is the

1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:30.040
<v Speaker 2>siege of The Magic. Circle so The duke returns with

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<v Speaker 2>his magical implements and he draws a protective circle on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor of the library in the. House it's got

1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:40.960
<v Speaker 2>symbols all around, it and inside the, circle The, Duke, Simon,

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<v Speaker 2>marie And richard have to wait out the night while

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<v Speaker 2>being besieged by the forces of evil that are sent

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<v Speaker 2>By mokata AND i think conjured through the medium Of.

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<v Speaker 2>Tanneth this got kind of, complicated BUT i think the

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<v Speaker 2>idea is That mokata somehow Uses tanneth to make himself more.

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<v Speaker 2>Powerful he like manifests power through, her and for that,

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<v Speaker 2>Reason tanneth is, LIKE i can't be in the. House so,

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<v Speaker 2>meanwhile while they're in the, Library rex And tanneth run

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<v Speaker 2>off to a barn. SOMEWHERE i don't know exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>all that, works but that's where they. Go and the

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<v Speaker 2>other THING i was, wondering why Don't peggy and the

1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:20.560
<v Speaker 2>butler have to be inside the magic. Circle the other

1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:22.560
<v Speaker 2>four people in the house are in the. Circle peggy

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<v Speaker 2>And butler are just up in a room.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere, YEAH i. WOULD i, MEAN i wouldn't want my

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<v Speaker 1>child to see the forces of darkness that have been

1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:32.280
<v Speaker 1>marshalled against. Me but if they're going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the house with the forces of, DARKNESS i THINK i

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<v Speaker 1>would rather than be like in the. CIRCLE i guess,

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<v Speaker 1>today if this were to, HAPPEN i could give my

1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:42.520
<v Speaker 1>son an iPad and he would be. Fine he just Watched,

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:45.200
<v Speaker 1>pokemon and you could have the forces of darkness doing

1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:47.600
<v Speaker 1>their thing outside the circle and he wouldn't even look.

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<v Speaker 1>Up but how are you going to keep a kid

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<v Speaker 1>this age distracted during the, THIRTIES i don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know well, Anyway so we get the siege here And,

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<v Speaker 2>rob do you want to describe the attacks that befall

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<v Speaker 2>them while they're waiting out the night in the? Circle all?

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<v Speaker 1>Right so. Yeah so the first attack was stone, dude

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<v Speaker 1>second attack was the great He, goat third attack, here

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<v Speaker 1>third summoning is going to be none other than The

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<v Speaker 1>angel Of. Death and it is pretty alarming when this one,

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<v Speaker 1>summoned because suddenly the door, opens white light spilling, out

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<v Speaker 1>and a perhaps semi transparent hard to see a winged

1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:25.360
<v Speaker 1>horse rides. In and the rider on that horse it's

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<v Speaker 1>this individual and. Armor you can't see his. Face but

1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.760
<v Speaker 1>then eventually he rides up close enough and we get

1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:35.160
<v Speaker 1>this close up like blue flames behind his. Head the

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<v Speaker 1>mask opens and it's a. Skull, yeah The angel Of

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<v Speaker 1>death is here to claim a human. Soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert one. THING i agree with everything you, said BUT

1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:44.640
<v Speaker 2>i think we're out of order here BECAUSE i think

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<v Speaker 2>the spider attacks before The angel does to.

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<v Speaker 1>Death oh, okay, well, okay in that, case we get

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<v Speaker 1>a lackluster giant spider, attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Right so that comes tricks them with all these, illusions

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<v Speaker 2>like The devil keeps simulating people they, know asking for

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<v Speaker 2>help or trying to get them to step outside the.

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<v Speaker 2>Circle it pretends to Be peggy being attacked by the,

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<v Speaker 2>spider but it's not really, Her and of course The

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<v Speaker 2>duke is, like control yourself mad and stand there and,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah but then we get The angel Of.

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<v Speaker 1>DEATH i have to say the spider. Again the spider

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<v Speaker 1>does not look very.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, no it's just a tarantula with, force perspective and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff but, then so how do they defeat The angel Of?

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<v Speaker 2>Death Christopher lee has introduced this idea earlier that the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing he can do to fight back against these

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<v Speaker 2>forces is to say this spell the most dangerous magic

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<v Speaker 2>spell in the. World and he's, LIKE i dare not

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<v Speaker 2>say it unless our very souls are at peril because

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<v Speaker 2>it could destroy the entire.

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<v Speaker 1>Universe BUT i did memorize it just in.

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<v Speaker 2>Case, yeah but he does say. It he says it

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<v Speaker 2>at The angel Of death and that that banishes. It

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<v Speaker 2>but at the end of the, night so they've made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Through but things look bad Because rex comes back and

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<v Speaker 2>he's holding the body Of tanneth has died and also has.

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<v Speaker 2>Disappeared so they're in dire straits. Now but where have they? Gone,

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<v Speaker 2>well The duke has to figure this out by conjuring

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<v Speaker 2>the ghost Of tanneth in the body Of marie and

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<v Speaker 2>then again commanding and yelling at, her, saying tell me

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<v Speaker 2>where have they, GONE i command. You but this leads

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<v Speaker 2>to a final confrontation at the Mansion, mokata where he

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<v Speaker 2>has an on site temple for human. SACRIFICE i think

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to Sacrifice peggy for some. Reason he says

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<v Speaker 2>it's the transference of. SOULS i think it's like if

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<v Speaker 2>he Sacrifices, peggy Then tanneth will be brought back to.

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<v Speaker 1>Him Maybe, Yeah and they Need taneth for satanic reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and then in the, end the ghost Of, taneth

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<v Speaker 2>speaking Through, marie says the same dangerous spell That Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>lee said, earlier or gets the child to say, it

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<v Speaker 2>and this destroys the, cult Destroys, mokata and then we get,

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<v Speaker 2>oh this ending it it is a causally. Justified it

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<v Speaker 2>was all a dream ending where they wake up back

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<v Speaker 2>At richard And marie's house in The Magic. Circle everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who is dead is now alive Except, mokatta who has

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<v Speaker 2>been killed in the in, exchange and The duke explains

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<v Speaker 2>time has been. Reversed everything that happened, happened but now

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<v Speaker 2>it has not. Happened and then the movie just ends

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<v Speaker 2>with a very stern insistence That god is in. Charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah nothing like a time travel out of, nowhere ending

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<v Speaker 1>with the off screen death of the, villain which also

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<v Speaker 1>seems an awful lot like speculation on The duke's. Part

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<v Speaker 1>he's just, like what happened To? Mokata is, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>well he. Died now in this new version of things that.

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<v Speaker 1>Happened i'm not going to show it to you or

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what it looked, like but trust, me it.

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<v Speaker 1>Happened and then one of the, characters maybe It's rex

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<v Speaker 1>Or simon's, like Thank, god and The duke is, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all thanks To. God so they.

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<v Speaker 2>It is He we must, think, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So all thanks go To god for intervening wiping out

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<v Speaker 1>all of. Villains but unlike Say raiders of The Lost,

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<v Speaker 1>ark where pretty much a similar thing, happens Like god

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<v Speaker 1>enters the picture and just and fixes everything and we

1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:12.320
<v Speaker 1>get to see it And nazis explode and melt and so.

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<v Speaker 1>Forth instead we're just told it, happened don't worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>It everybody can go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Bed, yeah it's kind of a diosx. Machina and for some,

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<v Speaker 2>reason why does the diosx machina work In raiders of

1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.360
<v Speaker 2>The Lost ark where it almost never? Works Otherwise i'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so we get to watch The. Dais that's the, Thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like we get to see the forces of heaven come

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<v Speaker 1>down from. Above we get to see The Hebrew god

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<v Speaker 1>avenge himself and his people against The nazis and just

1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:46.400
<v Speaker 1>utterly decimate them with splendid special. Effects you. Know so

1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:49.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously this film didn't have the budget for that sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>thing BUT i think that's one of the reasons it

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<v Speaker 1>works so well In raiders of The Lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Dark, YEAH i guess it's also the fact that at

1:07:57.080 --> 1:08:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the end Of raiders that That indian their insight that

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<v Speaker 2>they have to survive at the end is, humility and

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<v Speaker 2>that they must humble themselves and close their.

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<v Speaker 4>Eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah BUT i could imagine something like that happening in this,

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<v Speaker 1>film AND i wouldn't have bought it with The, duke

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<v Speaker 1>because The duke would be, LIKE i know exactly what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening everyone close your, Eyes, simon shut your. Eyes shut your.

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<v Speaker 1>EYES i will keep my eyes open for the rest of.

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<v Speaker 4>YOU i can.

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<v Speaker 1>Pique it's, OKAY i know What i'm.

1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that brings up a really good question About i'm

1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:31.559
<v Speaker 2>curious about the religious sensibilities of this, movie which are

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<v Speaker 2>clearly mostly you, know they're anti devil and their, Conservative

1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but what exactly is the religious affiliation of the duke

1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:44.720
<v Speaker 2>supposed to? Be he seems to be Nominally, christian at

1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:47.559
<v Speaker 2>least in so far As christianity is opposed to the,

1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:51.000
<v Speaker 2>devil which is the bad. Guy and there is one

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<v Speaker 2>line Where Christopher lee like grills the ghost Of tanneth

1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:57.320
<v Speaker 2>with that. Question he, says, like do you Acknowledge Jesus?

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<v Speaker 2>Christ but Then lee is just straight up doing occult

1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:04.800
<v Speaker 2>magic and defeating the enemy with esoteric. Spells so is

1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:08.439
<v Speaker 2>he supposed to be a down the line Conservative christian

1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:10.559
<v Speaker 2>or is he supposed to be in a cult? Wizard

1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and at least all the Environments i'm familiar with these

1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:15.160
<v Speaker 2>things are supposed to be mutually.

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<v Speaker 1>Exclusive, Yeah LIKE i, mean they don't really play up

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there's like good magic and bad magic

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<v Speaker 1>like that would HAVE i think that would have been

1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:25.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of ultimately maybe a more modern telling of, this

1:09:25.320 --> 1:09:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it would have been more fun if it

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<v Speaker 1>was like we have just dueling occultists, here just one

1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:34.160
<v Speaker 1>occultist is leaning hard into the black magic and the

1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:36.439
<v Speaker 1>other one is a little more sensible about how he's

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<v Speaker 1>using everything but, yeah, ULTIMATELY i think we get more of.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's more like the it's more of the satanic panic.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy it's ultimately kind of more like the like The

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<v Speaker 1>Heinrich Kramer, hammer The witch's kind of energy where it's,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'M i can be super knowledgeable about all of

1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this stuff and like weirdly super into. It but it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay Because i'm here to stamp it, out you. Know but,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah we. Don't Christopher lee's character The duke going to

1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:07.160
<v Speaker 1>church or. Anything he just name Drops jesus In, god you,

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<v Speaker 1>know twice in the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture and throws the crucifix.

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<v Speaker 1>Grenades, yeah he'll Throw he'll heed some crosses around for.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure so, yeah ultimately it's a very fun. Picture there's a,

1:10:17.760 --> 1:10:19.360
<v Speaker 1>lot a lot to think about if you approach it

1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:23.040
<v Speaker 1>from the right, direction SO i recommend it. You you

1:10:23.040 --> 1:10:25.400
<v Speaker 1>can pick this one up in a few different. Places

1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:28.840
<v Speaker 1>there are some Different hammer LIKE dvd packs and so.

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