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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 2: And this is Joe McCormick, and today we're going into

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Speaker 2: the vault for an older episode of Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 2: This one originally aired on April fifteenth, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: and it's our episode on the Devil Rides Out.

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Speaker 1: That's right as we're reairing this, we're halfway through our

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Speaker 1: Look at the wicker Man, and so you know we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking. We're talking about Christopher Lee a lot.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is another very interesting Christopher Lee film.

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Speaker 1: Plays a very dour character, but we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun with it. So I hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 2: And this is Joe McCormick. And today on the show,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about The Devil Rides Out,

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Speaker 2: a nineteen sixty eight hammer horror film about the perverted

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Speaker 2: terrors of the Satanic cults operating throughout inter War Britain.

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Speaker 2: This movie stars Christopher Lee and Charles Gray and is

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Speaker 2: based on a novel from the nineteen thirties by Dennis Wheatley,

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Speaker 2: and I will say all of the satanic themes aside.

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Speaker 2: If I could only make one comment about this film,

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Speaker 2: it's that it is a jackpot for anybody who likes

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Speaker 2: listening to Christopher Lee telling people not to do things

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Speaker 2: and ordering them to go to bed.

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Speaker 1: Yes and not Chiltern, mind you, grown adults.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is one of the most paternalistic movies I've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. It has an authority figure as Christopher Lee.

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Speaker 2: He represents order, the Sign of the Cross, conservative values,

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Speaker 2: and he's just bosson everybody around constantly.

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Speaker 1: Everyone stand back, the proper British adults are here.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I, of course I love Christopher Lee,

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Speaker 2: but his character in this movie is so pompously self

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Speaker 2: to be nearly impossible for modern audiences to avoid regarding

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Speaker 2: this character with anything other than like amusement or contempt,

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Speaker 2: which I think can be extrapolated to feelings about the

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Speaker 2: movie in general, because this is a very competently made

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Speaker 2: horror movie. But if you were to just give me

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Speaker 2: movie made in nineteen sixty eight about satanic cults, starring

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Speaker 2: Christopher Lee as Maximum Order Daddy and Charles Gray as

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Speaker 2: a psychic Aleister Crowley who likes to make people garrot

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Speaker 2: themselves with necklaces. I would assume this was going to

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Speaker 2: be a jolly, campy frolic charged up with like gratuitous

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Speaker 2: for its provenance, this movie is culturally conservative and deadly serious,

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Speaker 2: which in this context means it is pretty much just

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Speaker 2: inviting us to laugh at it rather than with it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean not that there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: very much one where you have to find some fun

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Speaker 1: in a character like Christopher Lee's character, or really most

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Speaker 1: of the adult characters in this film, because they're very

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Speaker 2: Another thing I would say is that looking at the

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, especially concerning the poster art. Now, this was

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Speaker 1: originally released under the title We're discussing It as the

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Speaker 1: Devil Rides Out. This is the British title. This was

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Speaker 1: And so the British poster had like a devil riding

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Speaker 1: released in the United States as The Devil's Bride, supposedly

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Speaker 2: Right, So it has our goat head demon, our goat

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Speaker 1: some great satanic stuff in it, some great Black Master

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Another thing that we must stress is that

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Speaker 2: the villain in this movie, who plays Blowfeld and Diamonds

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Speaker 2: the funniest Bond villain portrayal in the entire history of

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen both of these, but both of them

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Speaker 2: And though this movie was before both of those.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, but it made me wonder, especially with Christopher Lee,

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Speaker 2: But I would say he has that as the villain

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Speaker 2: in The wicker Man. Oh when I showed so when

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Speaker 2: Rachel and I watched The Devil Rides Out, Rachel observed

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Speaker 2: that this movie is kind of inverse Wickerman. It's with

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Speaker 2: In The Wickerman it's not explicitly devil it's you know, paganism.

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Speaker 2: Wheatley's novel would probably mostly conflate the two. Right.

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Speaker 1: If it is not Christian, then there's a good chance

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing is that this movie, I

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Speaker 2: Now, I noticed that right before you picked this movie

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Speaker 1: I'd believe it was, yeah, twenty twenty satanic panic.

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Speaker 2: Making, just like on his face, absolutely absurd claims about

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Speaker 2: you know, finding devil worship in every movie and music.

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Speaker 2: One thing that was weird is it even singled out

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Speaker 2: a movie like The Exorcist, which I would say is

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's ultimately the demons

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Speaker 1: it's popularizing Satanic themes.

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Speaker 4: Ricks. Do you believe in evil? That's an idea. Do

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Speaker 4: You were wrong? The power of darkness is more than

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Speaker 5: Why on one night, on one ear should these people

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Speaker 2: I have a big poster for Terrence Fisher's production of

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Speaker 1: two thousand and sevens I Am Legend starring Will Smith.

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Speaker 1: He also wrote the excellent Haunted House novel Hell House,

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Speaker 1: the thriller Duel, and the Shrinking Man. All these were

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Speaker 1: adapted into films Duel by a young Steven Spielberg, as

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Speaker 1: well as other adaptations include What Dreams May Come, A

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Speaker 1: Stir of Echoes, and others. He also wrote a lot

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Speaker 1: of TV, including sixteen episodes of the original Twilight Zone,

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Speaker 1: including the iconic Nightmare at twenty thousand Feet episode, and

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Speaker 1: he also wrote for such shows as Night Gallant, Original

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Speaker 1: Star Trek, The Alfred Hitchcock Hour Thriller, and as far

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Speaker 1: as films go, his screenplays include Trilogy of Terror, Corman's

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Speaker 1: House of Usher, and of course Jaws three D.

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Speaker 2: Jaws three D. That was Matheson. Yeah wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean. One of the things about Matheson, and this

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Speaker 1: is something that Kim Newman points out, is like Matheson

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Speaker 1: was great. Matheson's you know, work certainly holds up to

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Speaker 1: a modern reader, so much better than Wheatley. But also

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Speaker 1: he worked with Corman a bit, so he could also

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Speaker 1: work very fast. Yes, and presumably he says, you could

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Speaker 1: probably work on a reasonable budget if you're working for Corman.

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Speaker 2: So okay, I see. So it's the Corman principle. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, coming to Charles B. Griffith and saying I

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Speaker 2: need a movie called Attack of the Giant Crabs. It

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Speaker 2: needs to be done in four days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, presumably, But anyway, I mean written, mathes is great

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Speaker 1: and has created so much wonderful work over the years.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting though that in a very British film

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Speaker 1: we have this very you know, American writing force that

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Speaker 1: is adapting it and tweaking it a little bit and

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Speaker 1: also ultimately removing many things that probably didn't work all

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Speaker 1: that well. In the Wheely novel.

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Speaker 2: One last Thing, I didn't know that Matheson had written

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Speaker 2: one of the Corman Poe movies, and I'd been thinking,

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Speaker 2: we need to do one of the Corman Poe movies.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, stay tuned, we may just do that, all right. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the cast here. So kind of like

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Speaker 1: last last episode, the last new episode we did. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what can you say about Christopher Lee, who plays the

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Speaker 1: duke here. You know, he's been in so many things,

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Speaker 1: lived nineteen twenty two through twenty fifteen. He has one

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Speaker 1: of those careers that had like multiple you know, you

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Speaker 1: had some sort of dips here and there, but also

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Speaker 1: you know, especially later in life, he was in so

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Speaker 1: many great films and you know, memorable films at least

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Speaker 1: you know, he's known for playing so many villains, Dracula, Sorrowman,

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Speaker 1: Scott Amanga, Count Dooku, Lord summer Isle, Frankenstein's Monster, Kris

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Speaker 1: The Mummy. He also voiced the villain King Hagrid in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. Is the Last Unicorn, which I just

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Speaker 1: watched more than half of with my family last night

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Speaker 1: and was really enjoying that so and that also reminded

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Speaker 1: I was looking up some stuff about Last Unicorn on

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Speaker 1: Last Unicorn is one of these where they hired Christopher

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Speaker 1: Lee for it, and he was very enthusiastic about it,

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Speaker 1: apparently a big reader, and he showed up with the

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Speaker 1: original novel with things earmarked, saying, these absolutely cannot be cut.

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Speaker 1: These lines have to stay in the picture. And he

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Speaker 1: apparently did this with Lord of the Rings as well. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and probably with this film, because I understand that The

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Speaker 1: Devil Rides Out was also a film where he liked

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Speaker 1: the book and he was really excited for the film

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Speaker 1: and probably showed up with the book and was like, no, sorry, Matheson,

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Speaker 1: this goes in this.

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Speaker 2: That's funny because I actually watched part of an interview

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Speaker 2: or I think it was an audience Q and A

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Speaker 2: with some event that he was doing, and a member

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Speaker 2: of the audience asks him, you know, it's been rumored

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Speaker 2: that you have a large occult library. Is that true?

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Speaker 2: And how'd you get interested in that? And he says, no,

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Speaker 2: it is not true. I have maybe four or five

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Speaker 2: books on the occult, and one of them, he says,

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Speaker 2: is an original copy of The Devil Rides Out, signed

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Speaker 2: by the author, So he's clearly a fan. But then

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Speaker 2: he also cautions the audience not to experiment with devil worship.

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Speaker 1: He's basically the Duke.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, gotta love Christopher Lee. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to pick a favorite role. I'm tempted to go. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is Saruman to me. It's one of those performances

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Speaker 2: that is so thoroughly the character that it replaces whatever

509
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Speaker 2: imagination you might have had from the book before you

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Speaker 2: saw the movie. He just embodies it perfectly. But then

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Speaker 2: the other thing I would say, maybe even more than that,

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Speaker 2: is Lord Summerle. I mean, he is the general and

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Speaker 2: Pagan from the Wickerman. It's it's it just can't be beat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, these these are all great roles. I love

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Speaker 1: all the roles that I mentioned already, and and there

516
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Speaker 1: are plenty of Christopher Lee performances out there I haven't seen,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure there's some other gems.

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Speaker 2: I know. One thing I've said on the show before,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of the the Star Wars prequels,

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Speaker 2: but there's always that moment when Christopher Lee shows up

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Speaker 2: in them where I think the way I've put it before,

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Speaker 2: and I stand by this, is that it's like in

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Speaker 2: a movie that is kind of stuffy and suffocating, Christopher

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Speaker 2: Lee walks on screen and suddenly it's like someone has

525
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Speaker 2: opened a window and let fresh air and now everything's oh,

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Speaker 2: oh oh, things feel great now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love his betrayal of Dooku in those two Star

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Speaker 1: Wars films, and I especially love in the opening of

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Speaker 1: the Revenge of the Sith, where you have that that's

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Speaker 1: that duel between Anakin and Douku, and then of course

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Speaker 1: you have Palpatine watching on and ultimately deciding it's fate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great sequence, and Lee's great in it because

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's very much He's great. He was

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Speaker 1: always great at playing this kind of grandiose and egotistical villain,

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Speaker 1: and then we get to see like the vulnerability briefly

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Speaker 1: as he's betrayed by his master. So yeah, Lee always

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Speaker 1: brought brought something great to the table.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it's an interesting casting choice for this character

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Speaker 2: of the Duke de Richlow that the protagonist of the movie,

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Speaker 2: who who represents order and the side of good against

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Speaker 2: against the chaos and evil of Charles Gray as mister Mocatta.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm kind of wondering, like, could you have

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Speaker 2: cast somebody else in this role and how would the

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Speaker 2: movie be different if you had?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like part of me was thinking, well, maybe, like

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Speaker 1: maybe Lee, especially at this point, wasn't as good at

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Speaker 1: like portraying like likable and vulnerable characteristics, like whereas someone

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Speaker 1: like Peter Cushing his close friend and you know in

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Speaker 1: Frequent co Star, maybe he would have been able to

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Speaker 1: deliver that better. But then again, I come back to

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Speaker 1: the way this character's written, and maybe anybody would have

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Speaker 1: been stuffy and unlikable in this role.

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Speaker 2: One thing I got to say is the bizarre choice,

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Speaker 2: and maybe this reflects how the esthetics of Satanism have

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Speaker 2: changed over time. But they give Christopher Lee devil worship

557
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Speaker 2: or facial here they give him the classic Satanist goateee's

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Speaker 2: when he's playing the guy who's against the Satanists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it is interesting when we look at

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Speaker 1: who's playing his adversary, Mocatta, the High Priest of the

561
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Speaker 1: London chapter of the Church. It's not actually the Church

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Speaker 1: of Satan, but this whatever the Satanic cult is calling itself,

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Speaker 1: this is played by Charles Gray, who lived nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: eight through the year two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I think they're called the Friends of the Goat.

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Speaker 1: Friends of the Goat. Okay, So Gray not as legendary

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Speaker 1: as Christopher Lee, perhaps, but certainly a celebrated British character

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Speaker 1: actor in his own right, often remembered for playing aristocratic

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Speaker 1: and villainous roles, you know, very sort of tight liped

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Speaker 1: to clinch jawed villains, very British. But he played some

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Speaker 1: big ones. We already mentioned his run as Blowfeld and

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Speaker 1: Diamonds Are Forever. But he also he also played a

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Speaker 1: good guy in sixty seven's You Only Live Twice. So

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Speaker 1: he's actually in two Bond films.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right. He's like another spy who Bond meets

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Speaker 2: somewhere and I remember he gets a knife in the

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Speaker 2: back through a paper wall.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that. He is fun. He played Microft Holmes,

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Speaker 1: this is Sherlock Holmes's brother, both in the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: six film The Seven Percent Solution and also in the

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Brett Excellent Jeremy Brett Grenada television series of Sherlock Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've got to see those.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: And wait was the Seven Percent Solution?

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Speaker 1: Is that.

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Meyer?

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Speaker 1: It is? Yes, this was his novel.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I bet that's great.

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Speaker 1: But of course, for many of you out there, Gray

590
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Speaker 1: is best remembered as the criminologist an expert in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy five's The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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Speaker 2: It's just to jump to the left.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But he's in a lot of other things too.

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Speaker 1: For instance, he was in Richard O'Brien's follow up musical film,

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Speaker 1: Shock Treatment, which I have not been able to get

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Speaker 1: into yet. I keep thinking, Oh, I love Rocky Horror.

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Speaker 1: I'll give Shock Treatment a try, and I'll listen to

598
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Speaker 1: the music a little bit. And it just hasn't happened.

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Speaker 1: He's also in the Wonderfully fun nineteen seventy four were

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Speaker 1: Wolf Who Done It? The Beast must Die? This is

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Speaker 1: the film that has a were wolf break, as you'll remember.

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Speaker 2: Joy, So yeah, you can collect your thoughts about who

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Speaker 2: the were wolf is.

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Speaker 1: He also dubbed for Jack Hawkins in the film Theater

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Speaker 1: of Blood and others after Hawkins's Larnix was removed to

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Speaker 1: combat throat cancer.

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Speaker 2: Theater of Blood is the other movie we talked about

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Speaker 2: in the episode with about Doctor Fibes. It was the

609
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Speaker 2: other movie where Vincent Price must return from the grave

610
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Speaker 2: or after being assumed dead, to get revenge on nine

611
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Speaker 2: specific people who he believed wronged him.

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Speaker 1: So Gray is fun in this, but he's very much

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Speaker 1: playing a kind of stern and serious Alistair Crowley with

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Speaker 1: hair but also as this is I thought. Another fun

615
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Speaker 1: tid that Kim Newman points out is he's kind of

616
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Speaker 1: playing Alistair Crowley's idea of what Aleister Crowley seemed like

617
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Speaker 1: to everybody else, you know, like like Crowley himself was

618
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, a bit of a con man

619
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Speaker 1: in his own right, you know, and was many other things.

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Speaker 1: But he may have thought that he came off like

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Speaker 1: this to other people. This highly charismatic, British occultist with

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Speaker 1: hypnotic eyes that just instantly has power over everyone when

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Speaker 1: he walks into a room. And then the other interesting

624
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Speaker 1: thing is that you have this character that this is

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Speaker 1: a film again where Satanan, anything that's not British and

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Speaker 1: Christian is potentially Satanist in nature, it's potentially Satanism. And

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Speaker 1: you have this character with his name Mocata that I'm

628
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Speaker 1: to understand maybe has more of an international flare in

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Speaker 1: the novel, but here we have him played by a

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Speaker 1: very British actor with a very British performance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how much we've emphasized the xenophobic

632
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Speaker 2: themes of this movie already, but yeah, there is very

633
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Speaker 2: much a sense that like that which is foreign is

634
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Speaker 2: very likely associated with the devil. Though I'm a little confused.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I know there's always some cultural crossover

636
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Speaker 2: between between Britain and France, but is Richlowe supposed to

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Speaker 2: be British or French? His name is French, and he

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Speaker 2: mentions I think he mentions that he and another character

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Speaker 2: that their fathers had worked together in some kind of

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Speaker 2: French organization. But he also just in every other way

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Speaker 2: appears to be British.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very confusing, yeah, because it's a very French name,

643
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Speaker 1: but in the film, at least, it's a very British portrayal. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mokata seems to have been played up in

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Speaker 1: the novel for being something kind of you know, international

646
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: and the foreign and threatening. But of course Mocatta's the

647
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: name Mokata has been has been very British for a

648
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, I believe it's tied to some

649
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: important banking families and so forth. So I'm a little

650
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: confused on that.

651
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: All right, should we go to the next actor.

652
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I was trying to find how to pronounce her name,

654
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: and I was sorry that I could not find a

655
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: good example of it being said out loud, but it is.

656
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: Her name is I think Nick Arigi. Her first name

657
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: is spelled like the brand Nike in Ike, but I

658
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: guess that's niek Okay.

659
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

660
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: She plays Tenneth Carlisle in this film, which is probably

661
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: one of the more likable characters. It's a very low

662
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: bar in this film, but yeah. She was born nineteen

663
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: forty seven French visual artist and former actor. As an actor,

664
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: she was only active from I Believe nineteen sixty six

665
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: through nineteen seventy four, appearing in various European horror and

666
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: art house films. She had a small part in kin

667
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Russell's nineteen sixty nine film Women in Love nineteen seventy

668
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: one's Countess Dracula. Other films include parts in Sunday Bloody Sunday,

669
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: playing a nun in kin Russell's The Devil's a Season

670
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: in Hell The Perfume of the Lady in Black. That

671
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: was her last picture, but then she went on to

672
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: focus on her art, and she has a website and

673
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: you can look at examples of her art there. Some

674
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: of these look like surrealistic oil and watercolor pieces.

675
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking through her paintings and I really

676
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: like some of them. They're interesting. So some are just

677
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: like watercolor landscapes showing I don't know, a waterfall or

678
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: a city skyline or something, and then others are really surreal.

679
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: There's one of these women in I don't know, having

680
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: like a big It might be one of those things

681
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: they put on your I don't know what these are called,

682
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: These things they put on your head at the hairdresser

683
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: that like do a perm on you or something. It's

684
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: like a big glass helmet, but it's absurdly large in

685
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: the painting, making it look more like a science fiction device,

686
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: like it's scanning this this lady's brain while she's sitting

687
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: there with rollers in her hair, holding a baby. It's

688
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: a very, i don't know, weird interesting painting, and I

689
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: like it at any rate.

690
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: She's good in this. She's acting opposite a whole lot

691
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: of stiff, unlikable male characters. So but it's easily the

692
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: character that seems to have like the most inner conflict.

693
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, she's not ultimately not given a tremendous amount

694
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: of agency in this, so it's not you know, it's

695
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: not one of like, you know, the great roles one

696
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: might hope for, but you know, she breathes a lot

697
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: of life into it.

698
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are several parts where she just has to

699
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: gaze into the camera with like with hypnotized or possessed eyes,

700
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: and her eyelids go super wide, and she has some

701
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: kind of quality to her irises that makes them really

702
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: good for this kind of shod that looks intense.

703
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: All right. The next actor of note is Leon Green

704
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: playing Rex van Row, though the character is dubbed by

705
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: Patrick Allen Green lived nineteen thirty one through twenty twenty one.

706
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: British actor who appeared in such films as a Funny

707
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum and Flash Gordon.

708
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: In this he is the ultimate square job British man

709
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: who is ready to punch Satanists, punch windshields, whatever it

710
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: takes if it means saving a pretty lady from non

711
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: British ideas.

712
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: He is our turbo lug. You I think you mentioned

713
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: when we were chatting about it, you said Rex is

714
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: ready to punch and kiss. Yes, that's about it. Yeah,

715
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: somehow I kept thinking, well, this doesn't quite communicate his

716
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: physical genre, which is sort of hunky lug. But he

717
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: reminded me of a cross between Chris Cooper and Buddy Hackett.

718
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. He's also our skeptic for

719
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: like three minutes anyway in the film, because he's because

720
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: the Duke is like, Satanism is real and it's a

721
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: major threat to everything we know and love and buy

722
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: that at all. But then the Duke is like, look

723
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: at this, and then Rex is like, I'm convinced.

724
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, the famous the power of darkness is a living

725
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: force speech.

726
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a lot of this film is going to

727
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: concern another character who they're very concerned about, and that

728
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 1: is the character Simon Aaron played by Patrick Mower born

729
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, Still active as he was just on

730
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: a British series called Emmerdale Farm. He's done a bunch

731
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: of TV work as well as such films as the

732
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy vincent price movie Cry of the Banshee and

733
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one's Incense for the Damned. He's pretty good

734
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: in this in part because again his character is one

735
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: of the few that seems to be in in genuine

736
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: conflict and gets to act a little bit more and ultimately,

737
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: ultimately maybe is a little more relatable.

738
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: I kept thinking he looks like Toby Maguire. He kind

739
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: of does, yeah, he does.

740
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Quick note that we have that goat monster, the goat

741
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: of Mendy's that shows up later on. This is uncredited

742
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: played by Eddie Powell, who lived nineteen twenty seven through

743
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, a six' Five british stunt man

744
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: who also wound up in costume as such creatures as

745
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: The xeno morph in alien for stunt. Purposes The mummy

746
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: And The Mummy shroud And, yeah and this film he

747
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: plays the goat. Himself powell also did stunts on such

748
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: films As Willow, Legend, Batman, Indiana jones And The Last,

749
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Crusade kroll in Various bond. Movies on that, note speaking of,

750
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: Monsters i'm just going to briefly mention the makeup effects

751
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: artists responsible for many Of hammer's best. Monsters Roy ashton

752
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: was the monster maker on this nineteen o nine through

753
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. Five and then the. Music this Is James,

754
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: bernard who lived nineteen twenty five through two thousand and.

755
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: ONE a classmate Of Christopher lee's At Wellington, college he

756
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: composed the scores of a whole bunch Of hammer horror,

757
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: films and later in life he wrote an original score

758
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: for Nos veratu in nineteen ninety.

759
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: Seven all, right are you ready to talk about the

760
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: plot a little?

761
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: Bit let's do.

762
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: It, Okay so the movie starts with a reunion of old.

763
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: Friends we Get rex Van renn. Again this is played

764
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: By Leon, green arriving by aeroplane which he pilots, himself

765
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: and landing in some kind OF i don't know. Field

766
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: it's just like a landing strip in somewhere in Rural,

767
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: england it looks, like and he meets With Christopher lee

768
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: playing The duke De, rischlow who is watching with binoculars

769
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: as he. Lands AND i Assume rex is arriving from,

770
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: overseas But i'm not.

771
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Positive, YEAH i think in the books he's Actually, american

772
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: even which is. Interesting, AGAIN i just englished him right.

773
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Up, anyway they appear to be old, friends reunited after

774
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: some time, apart and so we learn that they have

775
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: a mutual friend Named, simon And rex is, curious where is?

776
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: He why isn't he here to greet me at the

777
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: airfield like, You and The duke, says, well he hasn't

778
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: heard From simon in three. Months he doesn't go to

779
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: his club In london, anymore which that's a horrible. Sign

780
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: and he's moved into a large house in the. Country

781
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: And rex is worried That simon might be in some

782
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: kind of. Trouble BUT i immediately this should be an

783
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: alarm bell for how this character is going to. Go

784
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: The duke is, like, now that's. Preposterous he would have

785
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: told me if he was in. Trouble but they decide

786
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: to go pay him a. Visit, oh and when they,

787
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: DO i don't know if you notice the same. Detail

788
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: it involves the. Duke they get into the back of

789
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: a car and the duke talks through some kind of

790
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: hose lined with red velvet to tell the driver where to.

791
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Go, YEAH i don't THINK i remember seeing this in

792
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: a film, before BUT i guess this must have been

793
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: a thing because he's supposed to take place in the,

794
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: THIRTIES i.

795
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: Believe, yeah so he talks into the velvet hose and then,

796
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: yeah they get. There so they head out To simon's,

797
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: mansion and as soon as they're at his doorstep ringing the,

798
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: bell twilight has. Fallen there's creepy music. PLAYING a butler

799
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: answers the, door And Christopher lee is immediately highly. Suspicious

800
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: you see him squinting and furrowing his brows at everything

801
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: in the. House he just like looks at a vase,

802
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: suspiciously and he gazes into an open doorway like that's.

803
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: Trouble and then they get led into the next, room

804
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: where it looks Like simon must be hosting a nice.

805
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Party and again it's one of those things where you

806
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: look at the party it looks like there's nothing. Wrong

807
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: with it at. All it looks, nice but The duke

808
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: immediately appears to have some kind of internal alarm sirens

809
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 2: screaming in his. Brain BUT i would say the only

810
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: thing that looks unusual about the party is, that like

811
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: you walk through and you like hear people, talking and

812
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: you see people's clothes and, stuff and it appears that

813
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: not everyone here is From, england like there appear to

814
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: be people from all throughout Continental europe And West africa

815
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: And South. Asia and then they're, like Dear.

816
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: God, YEAH i, mean there's nothing in this scene that

817
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: would make you thinks anything other than maybe a you,

818
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: know various academics from around the world have gathered to,

819
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: discuss you, know a policy or, something, yeah you, know

820
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: un meeting or. Something but, yeah but they're just they're

821
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: just immediately. Horrified this is no. Good simon is in the.

822
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Deep so, yeah, AGAIN i think this is showing these

823
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: weird xenophobic assumptions of the. Movie it's just, like, oh

824
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: there's tons of people from other countries. Here this must

825
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: be devil. Worship so they See, simon they come up

826
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: and talk to. Him rex is, like sorry for interrupting your,

827
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: party And simon is like, oh it's just a meeting

828
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: of a little astronomical Society i've. Joined so because they

829
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: looked outside when they were when they were outside, earlier

830
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: they looked up and there appears to be some kind

831
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: of like observatory dome at the top of his new.

832
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: House and then we meet some major. Characters we meet

833
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Mister mocatta played By Charles. Gray he's not scary yet

834
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: in this. Scene in this scene he's more In blowfeld.

835
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Mode he just has to, say you, know, well, well excuse, me,

836
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: gentlemen there's SOMETHING i must say To, simon and he

837
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: takes him. Aside and then they get a moment to

838
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: speak With tanneth played By Nick, arighi and she's confused

839
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: about their. PRESENCE i think she assumes that they are

840
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: part of the. Coven but then she, says surely we're

841
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: not meant to be more than. Thirteen and as soon

842
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: as she says, thirteen this gets a dramatic wheel about

843
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: From Christopher. Lee you, know he whips his head with

844
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: his eyes, wide and you know that like he's really

845
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: sure that there's trouble. Now so they're asked to, leave

846
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: but first The duke, asks you, know before we, depart

847
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: MAY i see your observatory because he says he's recently

848
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: become interested in. Astronomy he would like to peek through the,

849
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: telescope And simon tries to, object but as always in this,

850
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: Movie Christopher lee just gives him the do AS i

851
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: command you, eyes and then they head on. Up now

852
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: we'll see this observatory room in a couple of. Scenes

853
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: but there is a giant goat Head baphomet on the floor,

854
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: tiles and another ONE i think on the. Wall and

855
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: when they come, in they're, like this is. Interesting are

856
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: these astronomical? Charts simon's just, like, oh it's just a.

857
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: Decoration but then the, real the real thing that that

858
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: seals the deal is there's some noises in the closet

859
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: and we get the chicken, Reveal rob do you want

860
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: to describe this? Moment?

861
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh this is this is. Great so in just like

862
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: pure inquisitor, mode the duke goes over to the, closet

863
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: pulls it, open and you, know we see, this you,

864
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: know view the. Shot it's shot from the, closet horrified

865
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: look on his face because he opens his basket and

866
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: there are a couple of chickens in there and these

867
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: are the hallmarks of black. Magic you can't practice black

868
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: magic unless you've got some chickens around of, SACRIFICE i.

869
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 2: Guess, Yeah but it was the pair of chickens that

870
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: that clinched it that this is definitely black, magic and

871
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: not The baphomet circle on the floor.

872
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: Right right the bathroom at circle is certainly like there

873
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: are other reasons to have chickens. Around there would even

874
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: be other reasons to, have, say a black cat and

875
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: a chicken, Around but to have the the Full baphomet, floor,

876
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: yeah that's that suggests something.

877
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: Else, oh but then we get the so he sees the,

878
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: chickens And lee knows for sure what's going, on and

879
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: then we GET i would say the line of the

880
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: film that stands out more than any, other which is

881
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: he turns To, simon he, says you, Fool i'd rather

882
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: see you dead than practicing black.

883
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Magic it's such a it's such a great and telling

884
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: line like. This it may just adds extra unlikeability to this,

885
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: character you, know LIKE i WOULD i would rather you

886
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: be dead than adhere to some ideology that doesn't perfectly

887
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: line up with.

888
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: Bio so The duke Exhorts simon to leave the. House he's,

889
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: like come with, us you, know we will get you

890
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: out of, this And simon doesn't want to, go so

891
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: he just punches him, out just knocks him. Out they

892
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: repeatedly do this To. Simon by the, way by the

893
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: end of this, movie he will have had major head.

894
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: Trauma, YEAH i have to. ADMIT i, MEAN i know

895
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to punch people in the face

896
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: and try and knock them. Out you're not supposed to

897
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: hit people over the head with bottles and so, forth

898
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: which these things happen in films all the. Time but

899
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: a few weeks AGO i sustained a very mild concussion

900
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: and it was not. Fun and ever Since i've been

901
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: maybe a little like heightened sensitivity to these moments in.

902
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: Films so like something like this happens And i'm, like,

903
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: oh that's a concussion for, Sure and Then i'm, like,

904
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: oh he just had a concussion earlier in the. Picture

905
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: this is so. Dangerous stop Punching.

906
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: Simon, YEAH i love. It in movies they just treat

907
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: hitting people on the head as like general. Anesthesia, well

908
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: it just renders the, harmlessly renders them unconscious for some

909
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: short period of.

910
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: Time how are you supposed to end a scene and

911
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: have somebody you need to get them to another location

912
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: and have them wake up and observe. Things so you

913
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: need you need some head trauma in. Between.

914
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah so, anyway they go back to The duke's house

915
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: and there is a great hypnotism. Scene this is one

916
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: of the first scenes indicating That Christopher lee's character not

917
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: only knows what the the the rituals of darkness, are

918
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: but he can practice them. Himself.

919
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Apparently oh, yeah this this of course ties in so

920
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: per with a lot of the satanic panic energies that

921
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: the decades to, come and even some of the you,

922
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: know the scare tactics you see in other social, panics

923
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: and you, know fundamentalists and conservative mindsets where the individual's

924
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: warning you about the. Evil whatever the evil happens to,

925
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: be they know all about. It they've got all the

926
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: grizzly details and they will list it for. You they

927
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: know all the, terminology they have seen the. Stuff but they're.

928
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Safe they're concerned about your. Safety and so like The

929
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: duke is already coming off it's such a hypocrite.

930
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: Here, yeah so he there's this hypnotism scene where he

931
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: like puts a mirror in front Of, simon and he's he's,

932
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: like look into the mirror Of simon and he, brainwashes

933
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: like he seizes his mind, somehow and he's, like you

934
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: must go to bed now is one of the many

935
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: great sending people to bed. Scenes he sends him up

936
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: to his. Bedroom he puts a crucifix necklace on. Him

937
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: he says it's a symbol of. Protection and then they

938
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: break out the snifters of brown. LIQUOR i love that

939
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: there's there's just like numerous unlabeled jars of brown liquor

940
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: for them to drink. From And Christopher lee And rex

941
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: they sit down to have the talk about devil, worship

942
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: and he Asks, rex do you believe in? Evil and you,

943
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: Know rex is like ah magic and all. THAT i

944
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: think it's hocus. Pocus but then The duke gives a

945
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: speech about how the power of darkness is not just

946
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: an idea but a, living breathing. Thing and it's clear

947
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: now that they're up against something big and they may

948
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: have to do battle with it throughout the rest of the. Film,

949
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Meanwhile simon upstairs in The duke's, bed his eyes snap.

950
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: Open he seems to be under the influence of, something

951
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: and he starts gathering up the chain of his crucifix

952
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: necklace and starts garrotting himself with, it and it seemed

953
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: for a minute like he was going to. DIE i

954
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: assume this character he's a. Goner but then the butler

955
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: comes in and helpfully removes the crucifix from his, neck

956
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: and Then simon just bolts out the. Window so at

957
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: this point the caper is on for the rest of.

958
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: Them The duke And rex will be in pursuit of

959
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: their Friend simon and eventually also Of tanneth to free

960
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: them from the cult and from the jaws Of satan.

961
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: Himself and so maybe at this point we can just

962
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: sort of zero in on several scenes and sequences throughout

963
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: the rest of the movie that struck. Us one of

964
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: WHICH i think we've got to talk about is the

965
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: return to the, house because the first thing The duke

966
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: And rex do When simon gets out of The duke's

967
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: place is, like, well maybe he went back. Home so

968
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: they go break in through a window and look around

969
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: to see if he's, there or If mocatta's coven is still.

970
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: There that's. Right they go up to the observatory and

971
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: then what starts happening to the, Floor, well out of

972
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: that goat head on the, floor you have this sinister

973
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: smoke begins to, rise and we essentially have our first

974
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: proper summoning of the. Film they're, LIKE i think three

975
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: different summonings of, note and it seems to, summon you,

976
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: know it's like smokes bringing in some sort of. Form

977
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: what's it going to.

978
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: Be it's gonna be a, monster, right, sure a monster.

979
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Or you, know a. Demon maybe it'll be the goat

980
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: guy from the, poster but, no it's just a dude

981
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: that looks slightly.

982
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: Stoned yeah when we first saw. Him so there are

983
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: some good monsters later, on BUT i was just, like

984
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: this is just a. Guy but he's got bloodshot. Eyes

985
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: but it's just a.

986
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: Dude i've seen, this this this summoned being described as

987
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: a gin or a, demon but it's Just nigerian born

988
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Actor Willie payne in red pants with a with a

989
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: legitimately kind of creepy smile and very stone looking. Eyes

990
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: they're able to play it up a, bit so it's

991
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: not like it doesn't, work but it also seems to

992
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: lean really hard into this idea of non white, equals

993
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: possibly satanic.

994
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: Thing.

995
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah this scene didn't feel. Great it was it

996
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: seems to lean more on those kind of xenophobic assumptions

997
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: that the movie.

998
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: Has, yeah because the only other non white act characters

999
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: in the, film Including nigerian born actor Playwright Jimmy goodman A,

1000
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: jibbai they are all seen as members of the. Cult

1001
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: none of the.

1002
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: Cult the cult is, international it's got members from all, over.

1003
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: Right so, yeah this this feels it's a little weird

1004
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: to watch, This and it's also a little weird That

1005
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: hammer picked this scene out put it on their. YouTube

1006
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: they like here it. Is but if you lean into

1007
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: the sort of like here's a really stone dude summoned

1008
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: to combat your, heroes AND i kind of like, that

1009
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of, like don't look at his. Eyes he's really.

1010
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Stoned, yeah, yeah and and he's like hypnotizing, THEM i

1011
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: guess with his eyes to like get them to come

1012
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: into the circle of. Baphomett BUT i think they defeat

1013
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: him by throwing a. Crucifix, yeah the first of several

1014
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: crucifix lobbings in the. Film.

1015
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah the crucfix are like the holy hand. Grenade they

1016
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: make demons just.

1017
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: Explode, yeah, one, two, five and then they blow him

1018
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: up and then they run out of the. House NOW

1019
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: i think the next big thing is that The duke is,

1020
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: like you, must you must Find taneth BECAUSE i must

1021
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: go to The British. Live and what's he Gonna he's,

1022
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: like gonna look into several occult tomes that are kept

1023
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: under lock and. Key fortunately the person who runs the

1024
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: occult tome section is a friend of.

1025
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: His, yes, again it's safe for The duke to be

1026
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: interested in these things and be knowledgeable to these. Things

1027
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: but not. You not, You Simon. Simon i'd rather you

1028
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: be dead than read some of the books THAT i.

1029
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Read So. Rex the next thing we see With, rex

1030
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: he's just Got tanneth in the car and they're out

1031
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: driving in the country, somewhere and it's one of those

1032
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: weird scenes where somebody's already in the car with somebody

1033
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: and then she's, like so why AM i? Here where

1034
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: are we? Going and Then i'm, like, well why did

1035
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: she get in the? Car what did they say before

1036
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: she got in the? CAR i don't.

1037
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: Know but then it becomes. Clear he's, Like i'm here

1038
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: to rescue you From. Satanism, yeah and she's, LIKE i

1039
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: don't want to be, rescued and then, yeah it ultimately

1040
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: ends up being a whole chase. Sequence.

1041
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: Yes, well but also before, that he's, Like i'm here

1042
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: rescue you From satan and take you out to. Lunch

1043
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: do you want to go on a?

1044
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 5: Date?

1045
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and so they're they're planning on going to

1046
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: lunch at a friend's. House this is the house Of

1047
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: richard And marie and their Daughter, peggy who will become

1048
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: bigger characters in the third. ACT a lot of the

1049
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: second half of the movie takes place at their. House

1050
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: BUT i was also wondering about they're not sure who he's.

1051
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Bringing so it's, like, hello old, FRIEND i brought a

1052
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: bride Of satan to your house for.

1053
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: Lunch i've kidnapped. Somebody this is the other. Thing this

1054
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: film has a lot of. Kidnappings And simon has already been, kidnapped,

1055
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: yes and Now taneth has been. Kidnapped, yes and there'll

1056
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: be more kidnappings to. Come.

1057
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah she lured away on false pretenses OR i assume

1058
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: we don't know what they said before she got in the,

1059
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: car but at least continuing along the journey after she

1060
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: has said, NO i would rather go back to my

1061
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: satan worship, Please and then this leads to a complex

1062
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: series of chases where she steals a car from somewhere

1063
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: and drives, away and Then rex has to chase after,

1064
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: her and there's A you didn't expect a car chase this,

1065
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: movie did? You but the car chase does Involve rex

1066
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: punching through his own windshield. Yep and they, eventually, oh

1067
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: they use magic to make him wreck.

1068
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: His, car but he's knocked. Unconscious another, concussion.

1069
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: Right, Yes and then she so she eventually makes her

1070
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: way back To mokata Because mokata was like hypnotizing her

1071
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: through the rear view mirror in the.

1072
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: Car, well mirrors are, magic we know. That, oh that's.

1073
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 2: Right so Eventually rex stumbles upon A satanic mass That

1074
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: mokata is conducting in the. Woods actually it looks pretty.

1075
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: Tame it's just a lot of people in like white,

1076
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: robes the, bosses Like. Mokata he's wearing a purple, robe,

1077
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: yes but a lot of people in white robes just

1078
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: drinking wine and dancing. Like it is not as debauched

1079
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: as some of the devil worship scenes in later movies would.

1080
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: Be, right but it does have the ultimate that they

1081
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: sacrifice a, goat and then here comes the goat. Himself

1082
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: we have this wonderful appearance by the goat Of. Mendy's

1083
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: it's the goat headed humanoid, form and it looks very.

1084
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Good it's legitimately. CREEPY i think this was a scene

1085
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: that they pulled off rather well because he just kind of,

1086
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: appears you. Know it's like he's come out of the.

1087
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Woods you've thrown a satanic party that is fun enough

1088
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: that he is making an, appearance and everyone gets very.

1089
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: Excited, yeah and one THING i noted was like when

1090
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: they cut the goat's throat in the, sacrifice it's like

1091
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: dropping the beat in the, club like everybody goes. Wild.

1092
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they get very excited about. It and, yeah

1093
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: the goat looks. Great it's NOT i should, stress it's

1094
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: not the goat you see on the. Poster they took

1095
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: the head of the goat creature here and they put

1096
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: it on one of the like probably The Charles gray

1097
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: Character mocatta's robed, body and sort of built themselves a

1098
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: poster out of images from the.

1099
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: Film, well, anyway at this, mass it's. Worse simon And

1100
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: tanneth are going to be baptized in the name Of.

1101
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Satan rex goes to a nearby payphone and summons the,

1102
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: duke and so The duke comes and joins, him and

1103
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: then they're, like, oh we've got to stop. This we've

1104
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: got to stop this before they are baptized to the Evil.

1105
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: One so they decide they're going To oh how They

1106
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: the duke is, LIKE i wish there were some, light

1107
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: and then he's, like what has? Light the headlights of a.

1108
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: Car so they're, like we can defeat them with. Car

1109
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: so they get into a car and then they drive

1110
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: up on this, ceremony blasting the. HEADLIGHTS i guess they

1111
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: turned the brights, on and that seems TO i don't,

1112
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: know it does. Something everybody's, like. Oh and then they

1113
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: lab a second holy hand. Grenade they throw a crucifix

1114
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: at the goat and the goat explodes.

1115
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah and Then rex is in there Punching, satanists Grabbing,

1116
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: canneth carrying her, off AND i was struck by The

1117
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of ironic that we don't see the goat.

1118
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Creature we don't see The Great, goat The devil himself

1119
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: carrying an unconscious, woman but we do See rex grabbing

1120
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: our female character and running off into the.

1121
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: Night, yes and they also they Rescue tanneth And simon

1122
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: and they take them back To richard And marie's, house

1123
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: Where Christopher lee promptly starts managing everybody's sleeping. Arrangements he's,

1124
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: like you will go to, bed and you will sit

1125
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: beside the person who goes to, bed and. Commanding, yeah

1126
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: so commanding people what to, DO i. Think so he

1127
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: gives them all these instructions while he goes out to

1128
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: fetch some magical. Implements and then there's another big set

1129
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: piece which and this SCENE i actually thought was pretty

1130
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 2: effective in the way it was meant to be the

1131
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: visit By. Mokata So Charles gray just shows up at the.

1132
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: Door makata arrives at the house and, HE i guess

1133
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: it's proper courtesy to invite someone, in even if they

1134
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: are the priest of The High priest Of, satan so

1135
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: you know he's invited him By. Marie and Then mokata

1136
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: And marie sit down in the study to have a

1137
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: conversation where he will ask her to Hand simon And

1138
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: tanneth over to. Him he, Says i'm not actually evil

1139
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: in magic there is no or, evil and then he

1140
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: tries to hypnotize her and bind her will to his

1141
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: by the power of. Darkness AND i gotta say props

1142
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: To Charles gray in this. Scene while he is often

1143
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: funny in this, movie in this scene he is extremely.

1144
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: GOOD i think actually rather.

1145
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: Scary, yeah, yeah he's great in this. Scene there's also

1146
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: another sequence where it's just the cult ist marching out

1147
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: of the observatory house with some kind of thunderous music

1148
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: and he's up front with a very stern look on his,

1149
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: face where he also feels very powerful and a little bit.

1150
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: Scary, Yeah and so he's Hypnotized marie and he's, like

1151
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: where Is simon and she says, upstairs WHICH i mean

1152
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: he probably could have guessed, that but, anyway so he's trying,

1153
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: TO i, guess get them out of the. House but

1154
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: then he fails because the kid living in the, House,

1155
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: peggy she runs in asking for a snack or. Something she's,

1156
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: like where's my? Ball and Then marie is snapped out

1157
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: of her trance and Asks macatta to. Leave AND i

1158
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: thought that, funny especially Because rachel was, like it's the

1159
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: kid that's going to defeat the. Devil oh.

1160
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it's also kind of it reminded, me of, course

1161
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: Of Indiana, jones like next, Time Doctor, Jones it'll take

1162
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: more than children to save.

1163
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: You oh, yeah. Yeah but So mokata is asked to.

1164
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: Leave he, does but then there's a great. Line he,

1165
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: SAYS i will not be, back but something.

1166
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: Will, hmmm oh and that's that's. Something should we talk

1167
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: about that? Something?

1168
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: Well, YEAH i, MEAN i guess this leads into the

1169
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: main thing that's left in the, movie which is the

1170
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: siege of The Magic. Circle so The duke returns with

1171
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: his magical implements and he draws a protective circle on

1172
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: the floor of the library in the. House it's got

1173
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: symbols all around, it and inside the, circle The, Duke, Simon,

1174
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: marie And richard have to wait out the night while

1175
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: being besieged by the forces of evil that are sent

1176
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: By mokata AND i think conjured through the medium Of.

1177
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: Tanneth this got kind of, complicated BUT i think the

1178
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: idea is That mokata somehow Uses tanneth to make himself more.

1179
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: Powerful he like manifests power through, her and for that,

1180
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: Reason tanneth is, LIKE i can't be in the. House so,

1181
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: meanwhile while they're in the, Library rex And tanneth run

1182
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: off to a barn. SOMEWHERE i don't know exactly how

1183
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: all that, works but that's where they. Go and the

1184
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: other THING i was, wondering why Don't peggy and the

1185
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: butler have to be inside the magic. Circle the other

1186
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: four people in the house are in the. Circle peggy

1187
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: And butler are just up in a room.

1188
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: Somewhere, YEAH i. WOULD i, MEAN i wouldn't want my

1189
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: child to see the forces of darkness that have been

1190
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: marshalled against. Me but if they're going to be in

1191
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: the house with the forces of, DARKNESS i THINK i

1192
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: would rather than be like in the. CIRCLE i guess,

1193
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: today if this were to, HAPPEN i could give my

1194
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: son an iPad and he would be. Fine he just Watched,

1195
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: pokemon and you could have the forces of darkness doing

1196
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: their thing outside the circle and he wouldn't even look.

1197
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: Up but how are you going to keep a kid

1198
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: this age distracted during the, THIRTIES i don't.

1199
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: Know well, Anyway so we get the siege here And,

1200
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: rob do you want to describe the attacks that befall

1201
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: them while they're waiting out the night in the? Circle all?

1202
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: Right so. Yeah so the first attack was stone, dude

1203
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: second attack was the great He, goat third attack, here

1204
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: third summoning is going to be none other than The

1205
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: angel Of. Death and it is pretty alarming when this one,

1206
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: summoned because suddenly the door, opens white light spilling, out

1207
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: and a perhaps semi transparent hard to see a winged

1208
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: horse rides. In and the rider on that horse it's

1209
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: this individual and. Armor you can't see his. Face but

1210
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: then eventually he rides up close enough and we get

1211
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: this close up like blue flames behind his. Head the

1212
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: mask opens and it's a. Skull, yeah The angel Of

1213
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: death is here to claim a human. Soul.

1214
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: Robert one. THING i agree with everything you, said BUT

1215
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: i think we're out of order here BECAUSE i think

1216
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: the spider attacks before The angel does to.

1217
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: Death oh, okay, well, okay in that, case we get

1218
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: a lackluster giant spider, attack.

1219
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: Right so that comes tricks them with all these, illusions

1220
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: like The devil keeps simulating people they, know asking for

1221
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: help or trying to get them to step outside the.

1222
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: Circle it pretends to Be peggy being attacked by the,

1223
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: spider but it's not really, Her and of course The

1224
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: duke is, like control yourself mad and stand there and,

1225
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: yeah but then we get The angel Of.

1226
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: DEATH i have to say the spider. Again the spider

1227
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: does not look very.

1228
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: Good, no it's just a tarantula with, force perspective and.

1229
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: Stuff but, then so how do they defeat The angel Of?

1230
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: Death Christopher lee has introduced this idea earlier that the

1231
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: only thing he can do to fight back against these

1232
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: forces is to say this spell the most dangerous magic

1233
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: spell in the. World and he's, LIKE i dare not

1234
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: say it unless our very souls are at peril because

1235
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: it could destroy the entire.

1236
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Universe BUT i did memorize it just in.

1237
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: Case, yeah but he does say. It he says it

1238
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: at The angel Of death and that that banishes. It

1239
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: but at the end of the, night so they've made it.

1240
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: Through but things look bad Because rex comes back and

1241
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: he's holding the body Of tanneth has died and also has.

1242
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: Disappeared so they're in dire straits. Now but where have they? Gone,

1243
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: well The duke has to figure this out by conjuring

1244
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: the ghost Of tanneth in the body Of marie and

1245
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: then again commanding and yelling at, her, saying tell me

1246
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: where have they, GONE i command. You but this leads

1247
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: to a final confrontation at the Mansion, mokata where he

1248
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: has an on site temple for human. SACRIFICE i think

1249
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: he's going to Sacrifice peggy for some. Reason he says

1250
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: it's the transference of. SOULS i think it's like if

1251
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: he Sacrifices, peggy Then tanneth will be brought back to.

1252
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: Him Maybe, Yeah and they Need taneth for satanic reasons

1253
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: for something.

1254
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah and then in the, end the ghost Of, taneth

1255
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: speaking Through, marie says the same dangerous spell That Christopher

1256
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: lee said, earlier or gets the child to say, it

1257
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: and this destroys the, cult Destroys, mokata and then we get,

1258
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: oh this ending it it is a causally. Justified it

1259
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: was all a dream ending where they wake up back

1260
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: At richard And marie's house in The Magic. Circle everyone

1261
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: who is dead is now alive Except, mokatta who has

1262
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: been killed in the in, exchange and The duke explains

1263
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: time has been. Reversed everything that happened, happened but now

1264
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: it has not. Happened and then the movie just ends

1265
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: with a very stern insistence That god is in. Charge.

1266
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah nothing like a time travel out of, nowhere ending

1267
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: with the off screen death of the, villain which also

1268
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: seems an awful lot like speculation on The duke's. Part

1269
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: he's just, like what happened To? Mokata is, like, oh,

1270
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: well he. Died now in this new version of things that.

1271
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: Happened i'm not going to show it to you or

1272
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: tell you what it looked, like but trust, me it.

1273
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: Happened and then one of the, characters maybe It's rex

1274
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: Or simon's, like Thank, god and The duke is, like, yes,

1275
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Speaker 1: all thanks To. God so they.

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Speaker 2: It is He we must, think, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: So all thanks go To god for intervening wiping out

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Speaker 1: all of. Villains but unlike Say raiders of The Lost,

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: ark where pretty much a similar thing, happens Like god

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01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: enters the picture and just and fixes everything and we

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: get to see it And nazis explode and melt and so.

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: Forth instead we're just told it, happened don't worry about.

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Speaker 1: It everybody can go to.

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Speaker 2: Bed, yeah it's kind of a diosx. Machina and for some,

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Speaker 2: reason why does the diosx machina work In raiders of

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Speaker 2: The Lost ark where it almost never? Works Otherwise i'm.

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Speaker 1: Not so we get to watch The. Dais that's the, Thing,

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01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: like we get to see the forces of heaven come

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Speaker 1: down from. Above we get to see The Hebrew god

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Speaker 1: avenge himself and his people against The nazis and just

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: utterly decimate them with splendid special. Effects you. Know so

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: obviously this film didn't have the budget for that sort of,

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: thing BUT i think that's one of the reasons it

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: works so well In raiders of The Lost.

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Speaker 2: Dark, YEAH i guess it's also the fact that at

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Speaker 2: the end Of raiders that That indian their insight that

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: they have to survive at the end is, humility and

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: that they must humble themselves and close their.

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Speaker 4: Eyes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah BUT i could imagine something like that happening in this,

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Speaker 1: film AND i wouldn't have bought it with The, duke

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: because The duke would be, LIKE i know exactly what's.

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: Happening everyone close your, Eyes, simon shut your. Eyes shut your.

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: EYES i will keep my eyes open for the rest of.

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Speaker 4: YOU i can.

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: Pique it's, OKAY i know What i'm.

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Speaker 4: Doing.

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Speaker 2: Well that brings up a really good question About i'm

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 2: curious about the religious sensibilities of this, movie which are

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: clearly mostly you, know they're anti devil and their, Conservative

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: but what exactly is the religious affiliation of the duke

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01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: supposed to? Be he seems to be Nominally, christian at

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Speaker 2: least in so far As christianity is opposed to the,

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Speaker 2: devil which is the bad. Guy and there is one

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: line Where Christopher lee like grills the ghost Of tanneth

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Speaker 2: with that. Question he, says, like do you Acknowledge Jesus?

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01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 2: Christ but Then lee is just straight up doing occult

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 2: magic and defeating the enemy with esoteric. Spells so is

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01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: he supposed to be a down the line Conservative christian

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: or is he supposed to be in a cult? Wizard

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Speaker 2: and at least all the Environments i'm familiar with these

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Speaker 2: things are supposed to be mutually.

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Speaker 1: Exclusive, Yeah LIKE i, mean they don't really play up

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01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 1: the idea that there's like good magic and bad magic

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: like that would HAVE i think that would have been

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Speaker 1: kind of ultimately maybe a more modern telling of, this

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Speaker 1: and maybe it would have been more fun if it

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Speaker 1: was like we have just dueling occultists, here just one

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: occultist is leaning hard into the black magic and the

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Speaker 1: other one is a little more sensible about how he's

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Speaker 1: using everything but, yeah, ULTIMATELY i think we get more of.

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Speaker 1: That it's more like the it's more of the satanic panic.

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: Energy it's ultimately kind of more like the like The

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Speaker 1: Heinrich Kramer, hammer The witch's kind of energy where it's,

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Speaker 1: Like I'M i can be super knowledgeable about all of

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Speaker 1: this stuff and like weirdly super into. It but it's

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Speaker 1: okay Because i'm here to stamp it, out you. Know but,

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Speaker 1: yeah we. Don't Christopher lee's character The duke going to

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: church or. Anything he just name Drops jesus In, god you,

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Speaker 1: know twice in the whole.

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Speaker 2: Picture and throws the crucifix.

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Speaker 1: Grenades, yeah he'll Throw he'll heed some crosses around for.

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Speaker 1: Sure so, yeah ultimately it's a very fun. Picture there's a,

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: lot a lot to think about if you approach it

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Speaker 1: from the right, direction SO i recommend it. You you

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Speaker 1: can pick this one up in a few different. Places

1347
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: there are some Different hammer LIKE dvd packs and so.

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Speaker 1: Forth but in twenty, Nineteen Shout factory put out an

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Speaker 1: absolutely Amazing Blu ray. Edition this is the one that

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Speaker 1: we rented From videodrome for this, episode and, yeah this

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Speaker 1: one would make the Great he got proud lots of,

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Speaker 1: extras wonderful bright yellow he goat menu screen THAT i

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: was very impressed, with and just more more extras and

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: special features than you could conceivably even. Want Like Christopher

1355
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: lee has his own commentary track on this, one SO

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: i recommend picking that up or renting it if you

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01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do. So you might find it

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Speaker 1: streaming somewhere as. Well i'm not sure what the exact

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Speaker 1: streaming options might be for this. Picture we'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear from everyone out there, though if you have thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this picture or. Others you, know what are your

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Speaker 1: Favorite hammer or horror. Films we know we have Some

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Speaker 1: hammer fans out, there write in let us. Know we'd

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