WEBVTT - Ep. 193: Too Much Naughty 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening un podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.440 You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.120 are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:36.760 Nor where you stand with on X. Welcome back, Johnny. Hey, thanks, 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.920 I don't know, Phil, do you still have all the 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.720 JAUNTI quotes? I don't have them fired up right now. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.280 I don't. We should just use them all the time, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.440 even when he's here. Yeah, just have them ready to go, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.839 just just to have him say funny things that he 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.479 would say just by sticking them in there. Yeah, I'll 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.720 fire it up next time, just to improve my podcast 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.000 performance on a regular basis. That would be a great 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.360 sentence right there, for instance, to have I'll pull that 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.600 one out. I'll put it in the bank. It'd be 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.200 fun for me if you could time it to where 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.840 Janice cuts Joannie off. Oh that'd be great. Yeah, well, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:12.679 actually actually interrupts your honest this is a whole new 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.679 podcast idea. I think stop doing that. Why do we 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.280 have a bank of Yanni quotes? An assignment and missed 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.680 an episode, so I was afraid I'd miss him too much. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.119 So Phil made twenty seven Yanni quotes and he could 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.480 just hit a button, have Yanna stay stuff, And so 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.240 Phil even set it up where you honestly had answers, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.320 like Phil asked him how he liked Dr SEUs, how 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.480 he liked Dr SEUs, and Joanni was saying he had 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.080 to read it a few times to get it, but 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:50.400 he got it figured out. It was good. Uh. Yeah, 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.720 did you see the article that Mark from n SSF 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.360 sent us about. It's like, it's a funny article. It's 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.919 one of those article is this meant to be? Like, oh, brother, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.640 what will they think of next? But there's a lawyer 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.440 Stephen Wise. That's a hell of the last name to 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.919 have Wise, especially as a lawyer. Yeah, Like I'm stuck 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.440 with like Ronella, which doesn't mean ship. This guy gets 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:20.360 wise Stephen Wise. He um, he spends his time. Uh, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:26.200 it's kind of funny. Spends his time suing zoo's uh 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:34.200 suing him for illegally detaining animals. Right now, he's suing 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.800 the Bronx Zoo for illegally detaining an elephant name Happy. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.640 It's he's it sounds like he does it like a 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.680 fair bit, but then he like loses it, but then 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.920 goes and does it again, and he brings this case 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.880 up to a judge. He he wants the elephant to 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.040 move from the bronx due to a bigger zoo, and 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.560 the judge has like a good point, and the judge says, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.320 but wouldn't that be just like moving it to a 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.960 bigger prison. And then Stephen Wise has a wise reply 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.240 where he's like, yes, at a point, we could say 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:10.720 that living on earth is a prison. Oh no, good lawyer. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.480 I don't think he's gonna get this elephant out of 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:18.160 that zoo. But he's you know, uh, the establishing human 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.800 rights for animals, right is the yeah, he had smart 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.440 thing where like that, um, they're having a dog taking 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:31.359 your dog hunting as slavery, that's right, that's right. Yeah, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.519 I like it. But remember we had that fish case 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:41.600 in North Carolina where they established um, like an act 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.040 of cruelty for leaving guy abandoned his house and left 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.200 up Oscar. Fish have to fish there, and they were saying, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.880 you can't do it to a dog, you can do 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.440 it to a fish. Yeah, exactly. But they've proven that 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:01.600 fish have feelings, according to science Yes podcast, I actually 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.720 heard that on Wait wait, don't tell me first. But 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:12.040 there's question do fish have feelings? A song? Feelings? Um, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:20.960 what's the answer to the question. Yeah, yeah, listen eventually 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.600 emotional feelings. They listen. There's a these guys, I haven't 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:34.360 read this, read I gotta find this. Uh. They can 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:41.760 play the sound of water to a willow, yes, and 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.600 it will grow in the direction of this sound. We're 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.880 going to run out of ship to eat because it's 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:58.480 like Phil having a pretty noisy beverage. He's gotten quite 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.120 comfortable around like negative nine degrees out you got like 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.599 an ice when you got like an ice cocktail. It's 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.800 just water. He's giving you the sound of water. You 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.040 know you said the willow Thank you, Maggie Live sound design. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:19.520 That was genius. Oh I just thought it would know. Um, 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.679 that was great. I was like, man, I was a 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.840 hearty sip filled his head. No, we're gonna run out 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.479 of stuff to eat because, uh, we're all gonna die. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.320 Because if a willow here's water and grows toward it, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.159 that makes me feel bad about eating that tree. Like 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.240 beavers should not be doing that to those Willows. Do 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.600 you remember when we're driving back from South Dakota, our 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.200 arduous journey home from South Dakota, and uh, we were 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.400 talking about how we were annoyed over some of the 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.320 vaping stuff, right, And my annoyance is that, uh, and 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.720 I have friends like this that are they joy they're 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:05.279 they're vaping, they're low profile, smoking, um, and they're very 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.640 healthy people and they are so annoyed over this vaping thing. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.680 And and my vaping thing being this realization that vaping 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.800 is not good, that is not good for you. And 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:20.799 I'm like, and my annoyances did you really really trick 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:26.440 yourself into thinking that this is somehow not reasonably bad 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.320 for you but good for you? And that's like when Yeah, 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.560 the studies of like fish can feel pain. Like, how 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.680 is this an epiphany for people? Everything wants to live 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.880 for God's sake? Yeah? Uh, the guy wrote it. I 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.880 can't tell the guy he wrote in a weird uh letter. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.359 He wrote in a letter like telling a funny story, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.760 But I feel like he kind of revealed himself as 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:02.279 as an unsavory character where he said he was hunting. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.440 He was duck hunting in the river bottoms in South Arkansas, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.880 and this is in two thousand seven, so quite a 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.840 while ago. There was a memorable story from him, and 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:20.080 he shot a shot a gadwall. Later, he sees like 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.400 what he thinks is a stick in the bottom of 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.920 his boat, and he goes to throw it out, but 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.120 when he grabs a stick, he realizes the sticks connected 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.440 to the duck, and the duck has been outfitted with 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:38.920 a little backpack style satellite tracker. Uh and he has 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.559 a wow, that's cool moment, and the thing on there says, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.400 if you find this thing, call there needs to be 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:50.320 returned to the l s U. Biology department. So he 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.120 calls him, says, hey, I got your thing now. Grant 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.280 remember this guy is telling it like it's a good story. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.360 Calls him and says, hey, I got your thing. They 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.600 said you gotta send it to us, and he says, well, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.360 I won't send it to you until you send me 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.920 a fake one back because I want to mount the 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.800 duck with it. Did he shoot the duck or just 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.880 found shot it? Shot it off a flock of god walls? 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.920 He said, I'll give it back to you when you 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.600 give me a fake one, because I want to mount 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.840 it with the thing. On it. They never give him 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.320 the fake one, and he's all proud of himself for 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.800 having their tracking device hanging on his wall. No one's 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.280 ever shown up to claim it. Yeah, I mean they're 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.160 not gonna like kick your they asked for it back 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.080 showing up to claim it like like asking for it back, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:47.480 We're gonna send someone to kick the door down. I mean, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.839 it's a science department at a school. It's it's not 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.240 like they have an enforcement division the school and just 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.800 giant coppers where they're like, well, just in case somebody 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:04.040 and say, uh, fake version of this microscope, we can 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:09.080 just magan one oture and then maybe give us the 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.880 real one that he stole back. I believe who is 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.319 telling us though that. Uh. Folks that shoot collared Elk 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:22.959 oftentimes are like, so that collar, no can I get? Oh? 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:29.679 Yeah right? Did you? H go on? Folks ask they'd 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.960 return the collar and then there they'd say like, hey, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.760 I thought this was pretty neat. And I get stems 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.360 from like folks shooting banded ducks and geese so that 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.079 you know, you keep the band and you call the 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.360 number man. Yeah, um, And I think that's kind of like, well, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.720 I shot a banded ELK. I want to keep the band. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.160 But as we've talked about this a bunch and as 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.160 you know, and as Carmen van Bianci put it, uh, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.720 and then she puts collars on game animals, and she's like, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.960 once you put that collar or an animal wearing a collar, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.600 as she says, this is a quote, someone has already 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.880 got the best of him. M M. And I was 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.400 gonna point this out. Did we talk about this, Johnnie, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:16.040 that when we were hunting mule deer in uh Wolming. No, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.000 I don't think we mentioned that. Yeah, I had two 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.000 and fifty yards away from me a little four by 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.760 four mually wearing a collar. No desire, no desire to 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.679 shoot that deer because someone had already got the best 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.640 of him. If he would have been a hundred eighties 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:36.400 seven and a half inches bullshit, bullshit tainted love. No, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:45.040 I don't care how big it was. No, I was 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.960 waiting for you to say something, Well, you know at 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.520 that point, he's probably gonna die that winter in good story, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:57.160 mean Johnie heard, Uh, there's a there's a there was 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.280 a buck. He had a name like you know, you 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.160 get bucks getting names like big huge bucks get goofy names. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.720 This buck had a goofy name, like like Jumbo or whatever. Right, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.439 and um, these guys were hanging out with they dubbed 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.600 the same buck. They called it the cess Ina buck. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.160 Because a couple of years ago, like Wyoming recently made 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.800 it that you can't scout from aircraft. You can't scout 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.040 big game animals from aircraft. And it kind of came 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.040 in because they made it that you couldn't use drones, right, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.800 so you can't scout with a drone. And then it 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.400 brings up the question where it winds up being, well, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:32.959 how can you not scout with the drone, but you 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.200 can scout with the airplane. So it's like if you have, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.600 like if you have a certain socio economic class has 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.400 to have an airplane, totally cool, have at it. But 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.880 if you're just some little scraggly dirt bag where the 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.560 drone screw you, well, like kind of what the logic 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.160 seems like? Right? So um, either way, and Wyoming got 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.000 rid of you can't scout big game out of a plane. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.120 They said, when you could, you would in this area 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.920 where they hunt me dear, they said, every day, man, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.240 someone's flying up looking for deer well before this law 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:13.520 went into effect. This guy finds this giant mule deer, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.360 like a two forty five, and the dude took me 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.440 and showed me the avalanche shoot where they found it. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.920 Found it an avalanche shoot, and the thing didn't budge, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.000 and they took pictures of it, and they take it. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.560 They take the photos to a guy. Now, this is like, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.960 this is as told to me. I am not saying 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.160 I haven't fact checked Steve's gospel truth. I haven't fact 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.480 checked any aspect of this. This is a story as 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.840 told to me. They take, they build a little dossier 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.640 on this buck and present it to a gentleman who's like, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.200 I like that buck so much, um, and I don't 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.960 have a tag for Whyolming, I like that buck so much, 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.960 I'm gonna buy the Wyoming Governor's tag in order to 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:02.160 go and shoot Jumbo the buck. The problem is he's 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.400 going to use this outfitter, and the outfiter in this 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.480 area has a why are you looking at me like this? Yeah, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:15.040 I'm intently listening, that's all. Sorry, I'm intently listening. Did 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.439 you get a recording of that film? Can we put 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:23.600 that into the so Honestly, I want you to play 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.040 that a lot. That's why I know that he's listening. Steve. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:34.600 I'm intently listening, you, jerk uh, I'm right, so far right. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.079 This is your understanding so far so I heard the 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.320 same story. I can crab right. So he's gonna use 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.600 this outfitter and in this area outfitter has to stay. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.040 He has the camp, he has the overnight in a 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:51.199 specified location. Outfitters are not allowed to spike camp, okay, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.680 and they're not allowed to graze horses, so you gotta 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.800 take your horses back at night and feed him feed. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.199 You can't be sleeping out. But where they find this 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:05.040 buck with this airplane is too far away from his 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:12.640 designated campsite to get the client over there. So as 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.840 told to me, they go and say they go to 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.720 the forest service and say, hey, we have a handicapped hunter, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.560 a disabled hunter. We need an exemption from our designated 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:33.760 campsite thing because we have a disabled hunter who who 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.040 needs to hunt. So they're like, oh, great, go ahead 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.600 and you can spike out. So then the guy still 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:45.160 the this Governor's tag disabled gentleman still manages to ride 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:51.840 what seven miles mm hmm and and shoot the Cessina 0:14:51.880 --> 0:15:01.680 buck As told to me. Mhm uh what else that got? 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.480 Oh call? You probably know about this. UM. I love this. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:14.720 A state lawmaker in my home state of Michigan, UM 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.680 is proposing that they were they worked up this bill. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.640 You know, they don't have like oversight. They worked up 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.800 this bill suggesting that I a Royal National Park institute 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.640 of moose hunting season because they have this exploding moose 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:36.160 population and uh he feels the wolves that they're they're 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.400 trying to They're flying wolves out there, hoping that the 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.280 wolves can kill all the moose, and um he's like, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.040 while we fly a couple hunters out there, what do 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.320 you think about that? Cal kind of goes back to 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:50.720 your weeping for the willow preamble, right, because a big 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.720 part of this is that exploding moose population is gonna 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.320 could potentially severely damage uh plant life out there on 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.480 I Royal And that's that's uh yeah why the big 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.280 part of why the why of putting wolves out there? 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:13.480 Um yeah, I mean I it really flies in the 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.440 face of what a national park is supposed to be for, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.360 does it, though? Right? I mean? Does that No? I like, personally, 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.160 I would love to see it happen. Yes, Um, but 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.560 I could see you know, it's funny. I read this 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.680 in a publication called National Parks Traveler, and I felt 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.080 that they would be a much uh stronger like that. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.200 I felt that when I started the article, I'm like, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.040 surely there'll be a part of this article where the author, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:48.240 the writer strongly condemns this idea. Yeah, but that part 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.960 never came. Well yeah, and and maybe it's it's because 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.920 they're looking at the whole ecosystem health um, and the 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.920 fact that the wolves have not been faring well out 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.080 they're left to their own devices. Um, they put one 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.600 out there and turned up dead. But they're doing a 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.280 knee cropsy on it. Oh really um, because I know 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.160 they dropped a few off and then as soon as 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.719 the water froze up, they even though they basically had 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:21.479 this semi captive food source, they had tailed it for Canada. Um. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:26.280 I believe that. I believe that's correct. And then but yeah, man, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.280 I I don't know. It's it's interesting because you have, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.040 like National Parks serve this purpose that I don't want 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:40.000 any other public lands or federally managed lands to serve, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.720 which is a place where lots and lots of people 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:47.800 can go and there, you know, there's a lot more 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.760 rules and folks are pretty confined, and you kind of 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.040 end up with this weird amusement park type of crossover 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.440 and into like something that's supposed to be preserving a 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.800 real wild experience, a garden of Eden. This guy. So 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.040 it's in the Michigan State House and it's a resolution. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.600 If the resolution passes, it's not binding, but the resolution 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:20.040 just says it's the state legislature passing a resolution where 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.240 the purpose of the resolution is to ask the park 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:30.280 to consider it um. The park officials there had already 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:35.480 ruled it out as being inconsistent with existing laws, policies, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:41.320 and regulations. But the whole situation there is like inconsistent. Yes, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.040 it's a it's an aquarium like kind of like partially 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.000 make beliefs situation. That's why I say, man, just let 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.040 us take its course. Let's see what happens. They can't 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.480 that they can't help them. They can't, I know, because 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.879 someone has an idea of what a healthy ecosystem is, 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.080 but they really can't on it. It changes all the time. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.440 They should just let it roll because who knows it 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.720 will be like a great little experiment. What happens when 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.720 the moose eat themselves that at home? And then how 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.960 did the willows react? Did they start growing toward away 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.560 from the sound of moose who's coming through the woods? 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.399 Growing away from it? It used to be caribou and 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.480 links right, yea cariboon links up into the hundreds. It 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.400 was cariboon links and then like and I think part 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.760 of the thing to consider here too is and uh, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.159 your your better half gen and probably be able to 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.520 talk to this a little bit, is um. You know, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:44.400 they're these systems always have a bunch of research going on, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.119 and there's probably a bunch of folks that have dedicated 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:52.640 funding very specifically to something out there, and they're like, well, hey, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.159 like I'm supposed to be doing this, and you know 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.240 X y Z is happening, which is getting in the 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.040 way of that. And if we let this happen and 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:01.920 I'm not going to be able to do this and 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.280 my funding is supposed to be exactly for cure. Funding 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.119 is hard to come by, I know, I can tell you, 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.600 especially these days from what they hear. And I don't 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.320 know if if that's exactly case, but there's always all 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:19.359 sorts of factors. Yeah, what do you think about all that? Phil? 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.639 I just was thinking about, Um, you're talking about the 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.119 willow growing away. I just immediately think of Pocahontas the film. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.159 His character named grandmother Willow. I'm sure you guys are 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.640 really into this right now. I'd love to hear more. Oh, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.320 she's just a willow tree that gives sage advice. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.119 so I don't know, growing growing towards the sound of 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.840 the water. That sounds like a good idea. Do you 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.280 know Neil Young song Pocahonas. That's a hell of a song. 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.400 I don't know. Marlon Brando, you know that one? Cal No, 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.639 I don't think I do. Yeah, well, yeah it's a 0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:01.920 good one. So uh, big news is not entirely fresh 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:13.480 news are Season eight is out been out Netflix, um 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.160 eight brand speak ay new episodes therefore available for streaming 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.919 right now and go watch them all. One fell swoop. 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.960 And we had a lot of questions coming about the season, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:26.960 and we asked all kinds of questions about the show, 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:28.920 but we never like tackle them head on. So we're 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.480 gonna tackle questions about our new season like the most 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.359 pressing questions. And we had tons of how many do 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.159 we think I need to make a little plugs. I 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.440 feel like listening to this and you haven't seen all 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.840 the episodes yet? Is that possible? It is? It is 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.680 because I know somebody a big meet or fan too, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:55.879 hasn't Netflix. No. James Miller, you know him. You've had 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.080 dinner at his house. Yeah, we talked about them all 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.560 the time. He's a little he's old school, right. He 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.919 still serves up a invoice that he writes on his 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:11.800 nineteen two typewriter. He's he's good at it. But he 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.920 has Netflix at home. The kids use Netflix, but he's 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.840 just like not willing to go over that hurdle of 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:23.199 figuring it out. So whatever small percentage that is. But 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.800 like I tell Jimmy, I'm gonna tell everybody else, it's 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:33.440 not that difficult sign up. I think Netflix is still 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.840 less than ten bucks a month? Am I right there? 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.800 I don't know. It's somewhere around ten bucks a month. No, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:43.440 they make it like incredibly easy. It's like the smartest 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.119 people in the room. Man figuring out how to make 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:50.000 stuff easy. Running cable is harder, like direct TV. Well, 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:54.040 this guy tiles people's houses. He tiles luxury homes, He's like, 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:59.680 I can tile a luxury home, but I can't get 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:04.080 my TV to work. Come on, I'm just saying that 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.679 that's that small fraction of people are out there. You 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.920 know what. I want to tell them, It's easy. You 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.440 didn't do it. In my never ending quest for beaver 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:20.200 trapping permissions, I was out surveying no Old Feller's uh 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.320 beaver problem not too far from here at all, and 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.160 he was real curious about why I had free time 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.000 in the middle of the week. I'll be like, dude, 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.959 oh I do is work, man, It's happened right now. 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:35.720 I have a couple minutes ago. Take a look. But 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.199 um we got talking. I'm trying to explain what I do. 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:44.160 And Ben, I'm like, well, you know like Netflix. It's like, dude, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:49.600 that's great, man. I hope you never found out. And 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.320 he tells he goes and you know, I did watch 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:57.680 a video once on that YouTube that's the same guys like, 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.040 so you uh see a fiddle with your phone there? 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:07.480 You call that work? Do you like? Uh? Yeah, yeah 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:10.159 I do. I had. I was at the Museum the 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.040 Rockies last night. You like to go to that little thing? Yeah, 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.120 because you get like a free beer and learn about something. Well, yeah, 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.560 it's the learning about something. And what's great is, um, 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.760 you can just go check out the museum without paying 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.000 a bunch of other folks there. You know, you pay, 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:31.120 it's fifteen bucks, I think, and you get three beers 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:35.359 and smappetite. Well the old for the appetizers shops in history? 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.440 Is that the name of the program. Yeah, it's like 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.080 bruise under the Big Sky? How often do you go 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.080 when I'm in town? It's the last Tuesday of every month. 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.920 Is it like a pickup scene down there? Um? Boy, 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:52.520 you'd have to really broaden your age range, like like 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.280 the median age in diction that most people don't want 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.280 to broaden. Yeah, yeah, you're looking at you know, I'm 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:03.239 gonna say six for ish, kind of younger than than 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:07.880 I typically describe it to people. But it's sweet anyway. 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:13.159 There's this uh Um, the curator for the paleontology department 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:18.199 gave a talk on extinct mammals and it's always Montana Central. 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.000 Oh yeah, you know what you sent me a thing 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.320 I have not gone. It's great trying to raise a family, 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:31.240 man um, and uh I had gone up like probably 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:35.080 every jackass does to a paleontologist. I'm like, so I 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.400 got a bone I want you to check out and 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:43.560 that's a rock and she yeah, and she was very nice. Uh. 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.840 And it was just really funny though, because I'm like, 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.600 did you have your famous tooth with you? Like, let 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.919 me whip this out? Um? I I had. Well, so 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.320 she studied under your buddy down at Texas A and 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.760 m Meltzer. Meltzer, Yeah, David Meltzer, and she kind of 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:02.879 knew that crew down there. I wouldn't go as far 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.240 as to call my body. I had to say my 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:08.399 hero hero yes. Um. And so that was kind of funny. 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:13.000 But then this guy comes up and he turns to 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.480 the paleontologist he says, hey, you did a great talk, 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:18.159 and then he turns to me and goes, and you 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:24.000 had a great season. Yeah, And I was like, I 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:25.840 kind of feel like an athlete of some sort. I 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:30.119 had a great season. Yeah. It was funny. So did 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.040 you go down there by yourself? Know that friend of 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:38.440 mine Andrea meet up with three down there? Yeah? Down there, 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:43.840 drove down former roommates, drove separate cars. Yeah. Yeah, we 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.240 dated a long time ago, and now you drive around 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.920 separate everywhere. Well, I got that out of her system. Yeah, yeah, 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.720 all the questions, you know who, we had a lot 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.880 of questions, but the three thousand plus and then but 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:03.440 they paired it down to thirty one. But uh, there's 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.240 some of the questions. When I was pruising them, I 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.360 found some questions that are on the I know. That's 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.480 why I said we should have done it together. You know, 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.080 like there was one like how come Uh, it's like, 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:20.080 how come there's curse words words? Yeah, I'm like, I'm 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.520 much surprised how few curse words are in there. Yeah, 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.159 I didn't feel like there was a lot of cursing. 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:25.600 I don't even know what they were talking about, but 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.120 I've heard it from numerous people. Did curl your hair 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.320 if you Yeah, it's not like we're like, it's not 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.159 like we sit around. We're like, you know what and 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:38.320 and uh, here here's where we'll put in a curse word. Yeah. 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:44.120 And what are you comparing it to Pocahonna's Grandma Willow? Yeah, 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.280 when we're on that raccoon has a foul mouth. You 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.359 know those movies like when they're watching like a I 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.680 don't know, like a like Fast and Furious or whatever, 0:27:55.800 --> 0:28:03.800 they're like ha, this is horrible people cursing. Oh um, yeah, 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.680 I'm alta shocked how few there are. Well, I feel 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.080 like we cut a lot of we cut a lot 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.000 of them out. I feel like bad curse words we 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.600 beat m But you gotta leave the beep in there 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.439 and the beep curse word because it's it shows the 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.200 emotion that was going through the person at that moment 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.800 when Ronnie being got a chegg by that b that's right. People, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:28.040 we don't we hang with I don't feel like because 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:33.960 they're foul people, right, They just at times when emotions 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.720 run high, they tend to use a foul word, which 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:41.160 I think in the proper context is okay. We don't 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.760 hang around with sailors, so to speak. No, I'm not 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.440 good at sailing. Is there a difference between what was 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.280 coming out on cable and what's coming out on Netflix? 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.200 Do you think? No? I haven't. No, I don't. I 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.760 don't think that there's any No. I don't know. I 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:00.840 have to go like review because I just don't think 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:02.560 I feel like now and then like someone will say 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.560 like whatever, someone will say some little kind of innocuous 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.160 swear word. But you know the other thing I wonder 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:14.920 about is like, I don't know. Um, I'm not in jail. Uh, 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:20.680 I grew up like I can, I'm gonna I can, 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.840 dang sure, I can, dang sure tell you that what 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.760 I when I grew up, I would I was you know, 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.520 my my father hung out with a colorful crew of 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.120 individuals and my mother would get a little mad now 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.560 and then. And I was exposed as a young child 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:44.360 to dirty words. And I'm not in jail. I just 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:45.800 don't know if that's gonna be like the end of 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.920 someone to hear right, is it gonna be? It? Is it? 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.960 Is it gonna be the end of someone to hear word? 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.000 And then their parents have to say, he just said 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.720 that word. He's older, don't say that. No, it's such 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.760 a self serving read in it. I'm gonna throw my 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.720 wife onto the bus because she's like, well, I don't 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.360 want my kids running around saying you know shit. I 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.800 heard someone else's boys say ship the other day. You know, 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.200 it's like, come on, Like, if my kids starts running 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:16.800 around saying it all the time, I'm gonna sit down 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.160 and have a conversation about when you say that when 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.760 you don't White kids shouldn't say it, you know, Yeah, 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.520 we have words for our kids. There's words you just 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.760 can't ever ever say. Yeah, your kids know them all, 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.280 don't they know? They don't know them all all but one. 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.120 And then there's one they don't know. They'll never know it. 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.560 So there's like words like they just hear stuff. I 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.120 mean they get they hang out with their uncle. I 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.640 don't know, they just they hear stuff. You're walking, you're 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.560 walking around at night and you trip on a matchbox 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.800 car and kids are always looking for that too, because 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:48.160 they're like, oh, I don't know what that word is, 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.120 so what is it? If their mom says, if I 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.479 say something is in one, you're now with the other. 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.120 If their mom says something, they just fall in love 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.680 with it. There's like something about like you know what 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.320 I mean, it does that. I just dadd it. But 0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.520 their mom like trips on a matchbox car in the 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.600 middle of night, hurts her foot. That word becomes a 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.040 big part of everybody's life for a few days. They 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.240 all love it. But I'm like, there's like words you 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.840 do not like you are for I know you heard it, 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:16.520 never say that word. Then there's like we're explain why, right, Well, 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.600 you're get in trouble and people think you're a loser. 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.080 And then there's words were like yeah, I get it, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.000 you can stay in the house around us, but don't 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.400 definitely don't say it at school. Well, you and I 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.200 had conversation with your oldest when we're heading out to 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.800 I think set uh crayfish traps over the summer where 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:39.040 it was like, yeah, well, ah, you probably shouldn't say it, 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.760 Like you gotta understand, like in certain circles, that would 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:47.360 be like the equivalent of you, like cutting somebody's head 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:53.400 off like that, right, Like you gotta It's it's hard 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:59.479 to like say, like so around here passable, you know 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.960 the net house over that would be like the kids 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.560 going too bad without dinner and I'm gonna get locked 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.360 up for a type of thing, right, Like how do 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.640 you explain it? Like you guys got a hard job. Yeah, 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.440 I like it. It's interesting to argue about or explain 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.840 to kids. Be like you have these things like these 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:22.640 words um and like we all agree that yellow like 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.720 when we look, we agree that there's a word y 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:29.200 E L l O W and that word represents this color. 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.960 And that's like how language functions. And you saw this 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.680 weird thing into it where there's like other words um 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:40.160 that we've all agreed are bad, but we use them 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:44.560 all the time. It's like you get into it's hard. Yeah, 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.280 sounds hard, and you're like, well, why those ones? You know, 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.920 I don't know what. We just have all agreed that 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.280 that's bad and you need to get and you need 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:56.400 to get on board. Sign on the dotted line. Yeah, 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.680 we step back and look at it. It's quite childish 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:04.000 really to have those words like homett. So I know 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.760 hundreds of words you tell me that don't say that one. No, No, 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.000 that's right, that one don't use you know what those 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:16.720 some what's a what's a language? Uh? Professor, researcher And 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.360 so if you get into like the sort of history 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.920 of a word, it's the etymology. I don't know if 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:30.840 there are etymologists, but I know linguists study um. But 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.040 I guess we just have to have them for times 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:39.240 of extreme whatever happenstance and emotion. That's why we have 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.360 to have those words. That's why there's some I've been 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.920 using the word naughty. That's why there's some naughty. Like 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.320 if there's naughty words in the show, I guess I 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.040 would generally rather than not be there. Uh mean, we 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.440 don't go out our way to put them in there, 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.239 but there's a lot of things that happened. They're like, 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:02.880 it's it's a style of filming. Um. Yeah, it's like 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.480 like verity filming. It's like a style of filming where 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.560 there's there's an artifice to it because you're putting people, 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.840 You're you're inviting people to come and hang out and 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.160 be on the show, and people are aware there's cameras 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:19.680 aimed at them, and it's artifice. There's uh there's a 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:24.200 performance taking place, but in the case of the show, 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.040 we do it like the performance is a real thing 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.360 that people actually do, meaning that what you're watching would 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:36.239 feasibly would feasibly be happening in the absence of cameras, 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.400 and in fact, most of people that are engaged in 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.600 it would probably almost absolutely be doing that or something 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:47.239 very similar in the absence of the camera. But you know, 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.320 there's cameras there, and it's not like a surprise. Everybody 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.239 knows they're they're there thirty six inches away from your 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.319 face sometimes, Like so it's a it's a it's a 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:01.960 distorted reality, but only slightly di started and you are 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:06.920 trying to capture real people in real moments and experiencing 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:11.400 real things and real emotions, and oftentimes you get those 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:16.200 in those moments come with um naughty words like naughty 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:20.560 or dirty. Better Maggie for the words description, dirty words, 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.520 curse words. There are dirty words that will happen, and 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:30.080 it would be when you weigh out, uh, like getting 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:35.439 rid of the moment in order to sanitize for for 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.120 people's sensitivities around language. You just kind of have this thing, 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.960 something's happened, where like that's a great moment, but that's 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:48.879 just too much, you know, it's too much, too much naughty, 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.640 too dirty to what's your take on the folks? Instead 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:57.279 of saying funing they get they say freaking. Oh man, 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:58.640 I would get in so much trouble when I was 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.080 a kid for that. He said, freaking. My dad hated 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.320 it because you're basically saying we've caught our older boys 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.799 saying it freaking. We're like, no, no, no no, no, it's 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.680 the same thing. I have the same person of my dad. 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.880 It's like, my dad's like, we're going to treat it 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.080 like you just said it because you're saying it, Yeah, 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:21.160 you're playing a game. I remember the the worst bust 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.560 that we ever really care about the kids doing it. 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.680 I want to know how you feel about like adults, 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.080 because I know some adults that have like a I say, 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.440 a clean esque so they lead a clean as you know, 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.279 path through life. And so instead of saying the real 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.560 course where they say freaking, I'm like, yeah, but I 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:41.240 do it, but I do it now. And then Rogan's 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:47.280 teased me for saying freaking and uh, and the guys, 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:52.719 the um the outfitters were with him wyoming. They don't 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.640 like to swear. Did you catch them saying freaking? No? No, 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.319 definitely not. Yeah, no, I told you I honor. They're 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.080 like they have like they have they speak with honor, 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.359 honorable lives and speak with honor. But they will say 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.520 like something like son of the Buck or something like that, 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.640 and I'm like, man, that's like really like a conscious 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:15.319 decision to like portray a conscious decision to with your 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:25.160 language demonstrate a ethic or you know, um, and yeah, 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.360 I'm in her. I guess I'm just interesting language. The 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.440 worst time I was really quick story because I remember 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.560 it so vividly, The worst time we got busted, Like 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.920 I think the moment when we all knew that we 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.160 all swore a lot, and our dad knew we swore 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.560 a lot. Was my brother Matt. We had a live 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.640 well like my dad. You know those things like bread racks. 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:46.400 If you go to a grocer store, you know that 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.960 they got that thing. You roll around and it's got 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:52.080 those plastic mesh shelves and you put all the loaves 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.399 of bread on there. My old man would make live 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.360 wells by getting one, two, three, six of those and 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.839 zip tieing them together and then put attaching styre foam 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.160 floats and making a hinged lid, so just be like 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.640 a like a plastic mesh box that could float around. 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:09.840 You tie it to the end of your dock and 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.359 you can put fishing there. And I remember we got 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.640 back from we've been fishing open night of bass season, 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.359 like going out at midnight, and we caught a bunch 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.960 of bass and threw him in the live well, and 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.480 someone didn't fasten the lid down, and I remember Matt 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.239 laying on the end of our dock, like bending over 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.040 at the waist. So he's laying on the dock but 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.520 bent over at the waist, fishing around in the live well. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:37.160 Distraught about all the fish that got away, like they 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.319 someone didn't close the latch, and he's down there just 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.480 carrying on. And I look and here's the old man 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.520 coming out the dock. But also he's just like there 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.240 and it's too late, and mag can't seeks his heads 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.719 down in the live well and he's just curse like 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:57.520 raising hell, and my dad's coming and I can't notify 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.960 him because I'd get busted notifying him. Oh yeah, I 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.520 remember being like, oh man, now everybody just knows everything. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:10.960 It's all out in the open. They will never be 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.240 the same. And of the innocence. A question for Maggie 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.799 that came up. There's two questions. My favorite people say, 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.719 what's my was My favorite episode of workout was one 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.560 of the magazine Meg and Tracy. It's the best episode, 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:33.120 Maggie's first turkey hunt. Screwed it up. Just watch it. 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.720 It's great. Yep, now everyone can see that I screwed 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.120 it up. Can watch it on repeat. By far, my 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:44.799 favorite episode. So Maggie went through hunter safety. Um. But 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.600 the episode ends and you're talking about how you wanted 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.040 to go back out, and you said you go back 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.040 out on Wednesday, and some persons like that, you go 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.399 back out on Wednesday. I unfortunately did not too much 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.879 work to do, but Yannie gotta go out. Yeah, edit 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.000 have as much work to do. Oh yeah, if you 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.239 watch the if you watch the episode we're talking about, 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.239 you know, the bird sneaky Pete. Yeah, and yeah he 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.640 went back and got my ass hand to me again. 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.560 I was I was pretty much brining his breasts as 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.080 I was sitting there in the dark. I mean I 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.880 couldn't have been definitely closer than fifty yards the tree 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.120 that I was leaning against, the tree that he was 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.920 perched in. And when you went back solo, Yeah, I 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.600 thought there was no way. And it was funny too 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.960 because I snuck in there in the dark and I 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.520 hadn't heard him gobble. I sit down, and I was 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.759 there for at least but you just knew where he'd be. 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:47.160 He was in the same tree man every time. So yeah, 0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.720 I was going I was going for broke hero or zero. 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.239 I kind of ended up with something in between, because 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:53.839 I got the hero because I sat there for ten 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.600 minutes in the dark long enough to start second guessing 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:58.840 myself and to think, well, maybe I should try to 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:00.959 salvage the morning and go look for you know, trying 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.960 to strike up another gobbler, and all of a sudden gobbles. 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.759 I'm like, yeah, he's right there, you know, and I'm 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.360 here and I haven't like moved, I haven't no noise 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.879 for ten minutes, like no call and nothing. I wasn't 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:18.640 gonna call. I was gonna just let him fly down 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:20.920 in front of my gun barrel. And at that point 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:22.360 we were like, hey, but do you want to just 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:26.160 jump in the truck. It was basically over. Yeah, pretty much. Man. 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:30.800 I did know what strip was because we had hanging 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:37.040 right here in our studio, uh, our our probability thing. Yeah, 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.799 he had two landing strips that we knew of that 0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.359 we knew knew that he had, you know, kind of 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.200 we never saw him actually fly down, but we he 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.160 would appear and we'd see which way he went, and 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.080 twice we watched him, so we knew he had gone 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.640 two different directions. I definitely had one. It was the 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.799 same direction that we set up Maggie and I set 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.600 up where we had him come by us. I had 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.480 set up on that same sort of general old path. 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.759 I thought I had set up kind of choked in 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.279 tight enough on him that if he went to the 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.920 other way, I would catch a glimpse of him. Well, somehow, 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.040 I don't know. I can't He didn't gobble as hard 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.680 as he had earlier in the week that morning, and 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.719 maybe got twenty gobbles off the tree, and then he 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.920 hit the ground and didn't make another peep until he 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:25.759 was yards away. Where did he hit the ground, like, 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.279 let's say he's at the center of the clock you're 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:34.839 at I don't know for sure, but somewhere between three 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.279 and nine, you know, so on the far end of 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:42.799 the clock. If but if he so, wouldn't work just 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.839 to lean against Sneaky Pete's tree because he pitches up 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.799 too far out. Plus, how are you going to get 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.160 in there? Because he got all day to get in there, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.520 and when he's coming out. For a fact, Sneaky Pete 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.239 comes back to the same tree every night. Why can't 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.480 you sit with your back to the tree. You could 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.560 do that for sure. Why didn't you guys? This was 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:06.399 a morning hunt? Why why didn't you do that? Well, 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.719 we just about did. Why didn't you do it that 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.200 night when you went back solo? I did that. I 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.279 was a morning hunt. When you just hang out and 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:20.719 then because I was at work by like hunted in 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.239 for an hour and left. We did go out though 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.880 one other morning, but not sneaky Pete. Yeah, Maggie, I 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.960 went hunting turkeys and other more so you did do 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.239 a turkey return. Yeah, but we didn't even have the 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.520 same zone though. We just we just wanted locally here 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:40.240 in Bozeman. Nothing, nothing, not even I was very impressed with. 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.040 And I kind of want to know if this is 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:48.360 like this for people that watched the episode. But um, 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.680 I had bumped into Maggie earlier this week or last week. 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:53.520 I said, I mean, I haven't watched that yet. I 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.600 gotta watch that. And then uh watched it, and I 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.680 was amazed at like how even though I knew what 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:05.239 the outcome was, how I was like, shoot at like 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.759 I wanted Maggie to have that type of success so 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.440 badly that like part of my brain was still like 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.840 she can still make it happy. When we started cutting 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.360 the episode, months went by, we started calling the episode. 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:21.279 In the minute I finally got to watch, I wasn't 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:22.719 there at the moment and I was off doing my 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.400 own thing. When I got to watch the footage, I 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.719 just immediately called her for me like four times. I 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:31.239 was like, I just I just don't understand what what 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:36.600 you're thinking? I was too much thinking too much. It's frozen. 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.080 Are you gonna have you? Did you hear from people 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.839 that when the show came out? Did you hear people 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.640 you hadn't heard from in a long time? Yeah, a 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.440 lot of people from high school? And what do they 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.160 have to say? Like, what were you thinking? They were 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.760 just still No one called you a dog on you. 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.080 I think they were more like jealous of the opportunity 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.560 that I was given high schoolers tons of Minnesota. Yeah, 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.880 tons of guys from high school. I from high school 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.839 and the old flames people don't say people will say 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.880 that anymore. Well I was, I was a nerd in 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:15.080 high school. So is there right? Huh? Yeah? Bad val Victorian? 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:21.560 Is that right? Good deal? Meg? I made a lot 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:27.759 of friends by helping people cheat. Um, you can do 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.800 a little hunt in this fall. It's not on the 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.440 agenda right now, but I wouldn't be against it. You 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:38.160 don't have a single hunt planned. That's not true, because 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.680 I heard a rumor this morning about a little hunt plan. 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.640 I thought maybe with HANSI, but he already did duck camp. 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:48.680 I didn't know he was done. He just did it 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.160 for like a week. Oh yeah, but you don't you 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.520 just want to do like the early mornings around here. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:59.160 we didn't make that happen. Okay. I heard someone mentioned 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.759 getting you out on a little white tailed dough excursion 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:07.720 began this is what I heard. You're willing, but you haven't. 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.880 Like so what You're one of the people we always 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.120 hear about. There's this big conversation in this country and 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:18.480 in the sporting community about uh, our three and what 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.160 our three is? In and in and in and and 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:28.160 and and recruitment, retention, reactivation of hunters. Um my brother 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:32.480 is vehemently opposed to it, and and I understand where 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.399 he's coming from, Like, why would you want more people 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.520 on the woods? Sorry? Crowded? But um, you're like a 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.600 case study because the thing is you can what they 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.439 find is you can take it. You get a new hunter, 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:47.440 you take them out hunting, you show them a great time. Um, 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.960 but then they don't go out. They don't go out 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.520 there like, oh, that was the greatest thing I've ever seen. 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.640 I'm so glad I did it. But then they don't, 0:46:54.800 --> 0:47:00.520 on their own volition go back out so what is 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:05.640 preventing you too? Busy, really busy. But I don't know. 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:07.799 I think like to go with other people. I still 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.000 think I have a lot to learn. You need more 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:14.480 and I feel like tote more confidence out there were toutelage. Yes, 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:16.160 but I have a lot to learn, and I go 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.040 out by myself as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah, 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:23.560 I don't know. Maybe I'm still intimidated by it too. Yeah. 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.760 Where do you think Meggie is in the oar threes? 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:31.319 Because technically she's been recruited, I mean because she bought 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:36.000 the license, right, it's still it's still recruitment phase. Yeah, 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:42.239 it's not like reactivation. It's like you went out turkey. Yeah, 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.920 she might be somewhere between recruitment and she might be 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:52.640 like our one point five another. Okay, go ahead and 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.080 rip one out. Question. I got a I got a 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.400 couple of saves. Man, Well, why don't you go let 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:58.759 me look at this list? Oh you want to take 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:02.239 a look at the list? I got NB one. Uh, 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.400 how do you all spend so much time together and 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.400 yet maintain such good friendship? That's a good question, but 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:13.880 it doesn't Uh, we don't have the problem of Um, 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.080 I don't know why you don't. We don't have the 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:21.520 problem with people getting of we had directed directly at 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.879 you and I when I read it, and I think 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.319 that they have a distorted view of how much time 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.960 we spend together. I spend more time with you than 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.560 I do with my wife. Come on, not quite. Yeah, 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.520 spend a lot of time together, but nuts on a dog. 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.160 I mean, look at it now. We've been trying to 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.799 have a meeting for at least a week because we 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.640 haven't been out filling it and we haven't had it. 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:50.560 We haven't been able to get that done. Okay, I'll 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.279 never see you, Johnnie. I don't know. We get into 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.319 we have some scuffles. Yeah, but I was gonna say 0:48:57.360 --> 0:49:00.839 if we had the time, we'd probably we'd hang out 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.080 more because we'd go hunting and fishing together. But rise, 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.080 um to guilt ridden more. At home, we're trying to 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.239 be like how you're supposed to act. And in the 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:15.680 wintertime I turned into a skier and you don't know 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:20.520 you like ski Maggie raced growing up. It was not 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:24.560 an Annie's level. But um, yeah, I don't think that 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.640 it's I've never had it. Uh, We've had some disagreements 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:32.640 but never had uh, never had a problem. But I 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.640 think it also really it's something that like reinforced itself 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.920 because at this point, if we were going to not 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.080 get along, we have not gotten along a long time ago. 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.799 That's right, But there's something to be said that, like 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:49.640 a huge part of this job is communication too, and 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:56.480 you guys are practiced skilled communicators, so and that's just 0:49:56.560 --> 0:50:01.040 not something a lot of folks are good at and obviously, 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.960 oh you guys probably aren't good at it twenty four 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.360 hours a day. You mean, the ability to always be like, 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.360 here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking. I understand 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:10.960 where you're coming from, but here's what I'm thinking. Let 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.759 me explain this again. This is yeah, right, not a 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:20.320 whole lot of tongue biting. Yeah yeah, that's actually probably. Um, 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.680 the lack of tongue biting can burn I probably can 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.719 burn things out, but I think it's like done in 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:30.239 the right way with a certain level of maturity. Um, 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:34.320 a lack of tongue biting is probably good. Absolutely, I 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.480 would agree a hundred percent. Maggie's very good at this. 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:44.239 She lack of tongue biting. Yeah, yeah, because you I 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:51.440 said something to Maggie. UM, and she immediately clarified, like, hey, 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.600 you you said this to me. This is like a 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.440 five minute time lapse. Is this what you intended by that? 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.520 And I was like, oh god, no, I was like 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.400 I was just joking around and really yeah. And and 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.200 in turn, I said, hey, thank you very much for 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.560 for you know, following up on that, because that would 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.040 have been that rather than spending all week thinking you 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.080 meant something, you said something that you didn't say for 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.719 months for some people. Right. And then it's like, well 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:24.279 Ryan thinks this, Well, thanks very I think that's part 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:29.920 of just my job too. Yeah, let one rip, Ronnie Man, 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:31.759 you got one, I know, you gotta go. You want 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:36.920 to pick one out? Do one? Then you can pick 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:41.440 one out. In the Blue Mountain Bugle episode, which is 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:46.640 the Archery Elk episode in Washington, Um, we lost some 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:50.000 of that elk me in this uh fellow road in 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.000 Can I say their Instagram handle? No? I would. I 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:59.279 kind of like his. I like it too. How much 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.799 meat did you love? Is from that elk? And how 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:07.120 do you decipher between good and spoiled meat? That's a 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.759 great question because it's hard to do. And I had 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.960 now in hindsight, and we spent a lot of time 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.560 farting around with it. Yeah, in hindsight, I feel that 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:20.480 I was, Um, I'm trying to think. I don't know 0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:21.640 if it be I was gonna say that I was 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.440 too conservative or too liberal, but I don't know which 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:29.000 how we will apply here in hindsight, Um, I was 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:34.480 thinking things were closer to bad than they were because 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.280 nothing I've pulled out of my freezer and thought, whatever, 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:43.000 that smells like a smell of souring flesh, and once 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:45.160 it gets in your nose, it's like trapped in your 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.480 nose for a long time. I think, And I think 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.800 that you start psyching yourself out and you're thinking that 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.160 everything right. You can't get like a clean you can't 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:57.239 almost get like a clean palate. So thoughts of out 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.360 of my freezing now, I thought out and like smells 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:07.440 smells like elk, Yeah, but smell any other way. Well, No, 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:09.640 remember that morning we were I don't know if it 0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:12.920 was maybe it was the afternoon, and it was the 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.360 afternoon before that, our last afternoon they after we had 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.640 packed it out, we were taking chunks of meat off 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:24.960 a certain areas that were questionable and cooking them yeah, 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.600 and doing a little just fried in the pan will 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:30.640 catch up on the side. I took some pictures of 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.840 that taste testing. Yeah, because you can get like some 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:38.919 iridescent meat coloration, right, just like even at home, we're 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.120 kind of you can see it in the meat counter 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.640 now then yeah, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:49.759 with iridescence. It doesn't mean that it's getting fresh. It 0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:55.319 doesn't you're a desk on the carcass. Yeah, but yeah, 0:53:55.400 --> 0:54:01.000 so it's hard to like, yeah, just do a visual inspection. 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.479 And obviously the nose can give you away. The one 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:09.320 big game animal that I've got where it was just 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:14.279 you couldn't do anything with it. Um, we did, like 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.160 the smell thing was just getting overwhelming, and we would 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:22.040 cook pieces of it and butter and then go out. 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:25.080 We're like processing it in the kitchen, cook pieces and 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:29.400 buttered and go outside to just get in the total 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:36.880 fresh air and then taste it. And everybody you're like, god, 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.120 it is not like we were, like, it is not 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:45.040 in my imagination, man, It is rank that bull I 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:49.520 lost in New Mexico this year. I started cutting the 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:56.040 thing open, and um, the bile was coming up through 0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:03.520 the ham m m really yes, Like it was swelled 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:08.000 up so badly that the height it like lifted off 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:13.000 of the face and everything. But I was like, well, 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.680 because it was less than twenty four hours, and I 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:19.560 was like, well, the if something's gonna be good, it's 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.120 gonna be it's got to be like the top of 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.320 this backstrap because it's not underneath the weight of the elk. 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.680 And then when it'd gotten like the full effect of 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:29.959 the sun and and yeah, man, I peeled that hide 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:35.320 back and and like bile was coming up like impossibly, 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:40.040 it seemed through the meat. H Uh. I wanna give 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:43.600 this a cleaner answer. Lost more meat than I'd would 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:46.759 ever want to have happened again, like top chunks of 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:51.440 the back, hams, anything around the ball, joint um, tenderloins. 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:54.560 It's like some of the like the part the on 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.000 the downside, part of the animal, like the like the 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.480 heavy part of the shoulder, A lot of stuff. I mean, 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:07.360 some of the knack um, but certainly not. But I 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.880 mean it's like it was felt like a real disaster 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.680 to me. Yeah, I mean, just who wants to remember 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:19.800 one time losing uh, killing the bull one night with 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:21.680 my bro and I don't know why we thought I 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:23.640 was gonna get cold that night, and we were afraid 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.880 to open it up because of grizzly bears. And we're like, 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:28.160 let's just gonna sleep for a little bit and come 0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.799 back right at daybreak. And we had lost just handfuls 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.560 of meat from around the ball joints on the back 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.439 legs and being like, man, I'll never have that happen again, 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.640 And it happened again. But in terms of like the testing, 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:44.279 I think there's I guess it's like there's there's three things. 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:48.440 Some of it like the bull I'm talking about that 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:50.080 lost my brother when we didn't want to guts we 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.680 didn't want bears to find it or to decrease whatever 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.200 percent decrease the chances of a bear finding by not 0:56:56.320 --> 0:57:00.600 gutting it um and just not know, not want to 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:02.239 be out there all night massing with it, just being 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:09.280 dumb and lazy. Uh. Color greenish blue, like greenish blue 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.319 color you can get like meat will sour and will 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.040 get a color to it, and you know what you're 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:17.000 looking at when you see it, you buy that yeah smell. 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.000 And then finally the I guess the only the one 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.520 that the only one that really matters is taste, and 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.439 so sometimes you'll see it it'll be green greenish blue 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:28.480 and have a bruised look to it. That's souring. And 0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:30.360 then the smell is just it smells like what you 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:32.080 think it smells like. It smells like something that's starting 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.080 to rot. And the taste'll start to get slimier too. Yeah, 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:42.080 that's a good point. Very soft rotten meat is soft. 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:45.560 You can you can put a finger into it. You 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:47.960 can run a finger into rotten meat. Yeah, if you've 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.480 I've been thinking about that lates. I've been doing some butchering, 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:56.160 and you can definitely. Um, just when I start handling 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:58.880 the meat, I'm thinking to myself, this is gonna be 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:02.480 tender or this is not gonna be tender eating And 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.040 certainly the longer it hangs, the more it gets that. Yeah, 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:11.000 because you can get or I have messing around with aging, 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:16.520 you get that enzyme layer. It's kind of like, all 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:18.320 of a sudden, you have an extra layer of liquid 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:22.000 on the meat that wasn't there before. Um, that's a 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.440 that's real roll of the dice. It's like, you know, 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:28.000 you gotta do something with it right then. But yeah, 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:31.720 oddly enough, never lost anything doing that that's some tender 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.960 meat you got when you want to rip out now, Maggie, Yeah, 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.840 just because you know I'm part of the production team. 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:41.080 What's the hardest part of hunting with a large production team? 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:43.800 Does it ever play a role on how many chances 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:49.240 you had with animals? There's some things you gain, some things. 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:51.360 There's some things you gained you things you lose alto. 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.200 Don't think our team after being out there is that big. 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:58.720 I mean you guys really go you know, small team 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.680 well when you comparative being by yourself for people's a 0:59:02.720 --> 0:59:09.120 lot or whatever. There's things you gain and things you lose. Um, 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:14.440 the extra eyeballs are absolutely nice, especially when you're just 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.320 having like a big old glass in session on top 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.960 of a hill and you're not spooking anything anyways, you're 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:23.920 just looking. It's like the extra eyeballs. It's great. And 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.360 we have some camera guys that even bring their own binoculars. 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.200 There's nothing to do. They like to glass. They just 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.640 think it's fun to glass. And yeah, you pick up 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:32.400 They pick up a lot of stuff, so you're seeing 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:36.520 a lot more stuff up close. It's just harder. Water 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:44.480 foul is just harder. It's just harder. Um, all in all, 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:49.440 it's it's definitely not beneficial all in all, but um, 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:54.439 you know the extra eyeballs is interesting. Mhm uh. But yeah, 0:59:54.560 --> 1:00:00.200 up close stuff is can be tough. Yeah, And um, 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:06.160 there's a tendency. I think the on camera people have 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.479 a tendency to want to blame everything on the camera people. 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:14.920 That's the first place I go. Someone did something like 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:17.880 I never speak anything. It's always he's ever with me, 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:22.640 right uh. And and there's a spirited there's a there's 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:28.640 a there's like a spirited friendly tension um that goes 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:32.240 on where you're paying people to do a job, and 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.600 their job is to film stuff, and they need to 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:40.760 film the stuff, and so there a good camera guy 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.800 um is willing to take whatever abuse they need to 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.640 take to like respectfully get the coverage they need to get. 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.480 On the other hand, from my perspective, I'm like, I'm 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:54.840 interested in making a good show. A thing that will 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:57.640 help us have a good show is having some action. 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:02.160 You're preventing us from having a good show, yes, by 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.960 fidgeting around too much, but it never comes to blows. 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:10.640 I'd be curious your honest's perspective on it. I don't 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:12.840 know if I have much to add. Thank you pretty 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:21.320 much at the nail and head there. Um Ducks is 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:25.000 tough play a role in how many chance you had 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:29.440 with the animals. I really like um that. You know, you're, 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:31.520 like you said, you're paying people to round a camera 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:34.080 and the people that run cameras part of what they're 1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:38.480 doing is always looking for like pretty things and interesting things. 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:43.520 And I feel like that's it's just I I enjoy 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:47.560 being in the woods with people who are like, it's 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.640 not a big giant bow elk, but it's just like 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:54.160 a really cool, you know, lin covered rock, or you know, 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:58.320 all sorts of little detail things that are really cool 1:01:58.440 --> 1:02:00.560 that make up a good experience in the woods. And 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:03.240 and I always like that. But there are always those 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:05.320 times where you're like, yeah, I wouldn't have been moving 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:08.040 right there, but it took us a long time to 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.560 get over here. It's it. We put a lot of 1:02:10.640 --> 1:02:14.080 pressure on him. It's a tough job because if they 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:16.920 don't get the shot in the field because they were 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:19.920 sitting behind you, because all the hunters never want the 1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:22.120 camera guys to get out in front of them for 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.560 obvious reasons, you know they're gonna break the skyline before 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:29.440 you do, they're not gonna be looking etcetera, etcetera. Um. 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.360 But then when we get back and you're in the 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:35.400 editing studio, like, where's the shot? How come there's no 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:38.320 shots of me walking out the camera? It's like, well, 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:41.840 dumb mass because you were yelling to stay behind and 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.920 stay low the whole time, you know. So it doesn't 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.440 make for a fun edit or interesting at it either. 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:52.080 But it's just behind the good the good guys, the good, 1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:54.560 really good ones. They know it so well and they've 1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:57.400 been out so much that they know, like you're going 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:01.760 up a hill and they'll know if they want to 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:05.200 get out front to get a walking towards shot. They're 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:07.360 like reading the landscape all the time and they know 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:11.600 that like at the top of the hill, they're gonna 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.240 shoot me if I crest over the top of the 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:16.920 hill before they get there, and so they'll like run 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:18.560 out and get their shots. And they're kind of like 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:20.600 watching the top of the hill thing because then they 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:21.960 know at the top of the hill they better be 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.120 back behind you in case you crest over and see something. 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.360 And they start to it's fun when I can't when 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:29.520 you get someone who's so so schooled in it that 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.160 they're that they're doing all that in their head. You know, 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:34.960 they know like when you get up to spot and 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:37.160 you first sit down the glass, they know to hold tight. 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.160 Then you kind of like get a good look around. 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:42.640 You know, it's nothing immediately around. They'll get up and 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.439 do what they gotta do and and then it's fun. 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:47.760 You know. Then the tension levels go way down when 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:51.000 they really know the situation. But we don't have camera 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:53.600 guys that come We don't work with camera guys that 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:57.160 really come out of a hunting background. That's a tough 1:03:57.240 --> 1:04:00.360 thing to find. Yeah, I would ride of someone that 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:02.439 knows how to film more than those how to hunt. 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:09.400 I think it's probably easier to learn. You've come around then, yeah, slowly, 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:13.959 begrudgingly I have. I have. I mean it'd be great both, 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.080 but yeah, but grudgingly I have because it's just the one, 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:19.960 like no one which shooters just work the best, right, 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:23.320 you know, the shooters we have that are just like such. 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:25.960 We have a bunch of great shooters, but the shooters 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:27.960 we have that are just really special ones that are 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:29.920 kind of like part of the family. They didn't come 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.520 out of that m hm. You know they always have 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:37.720 lens cloths. That's great. Yeah, when my binoculars get messed up, 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:44.520 like Leah, they know how to keep stuff dry. How 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.920 much scouting goes into each of the new locations you hunt, man, 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:50.680 it's that's a weird. While I try to answer this 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.680 one quickly because I feel like we talked about it, 1:04:52.800 --> 1:04:55.000 so we go to we're always filming in new places. 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:57.120 We're rarely filming in a place that we hang out 1:04:57.120 --> 1:05:01.840 a whole bunch. But we have fashionally over the years 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:07.120 developed such a network of contacts and can kind of 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:11.600 really like find anyone anywhere within two or three phone calls. 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:17.120 Usually that it's we don't scout the way most people 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.280 are forced to scout. We like a lot of people 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.520 to scout, like the old fashioned way, like map breeding, 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:28.320 you know, looking at airal images, which we do. But 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:29.840 a lot of our stuff, just as we know so 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:33.280 many people and are well connected, that a lot of 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:35.200 our scouting is people being like, yea, I'm at a 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:37.320 hunting it two years ago, and you should check this out, 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:40.040 check that out, check this out, check that out. Um, 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:43.840 we just have a different scouting method. Yeah, as far 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:47.360 as species go, we don't really dive into deep because 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:50.200 usually well, I don't know. I think we like learning 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:52.040 kind of on the go while we're there, and it 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:57.320 makes for interesting content when we're learning while we're filming, 1:05:57.800 --> 1:05:59.480 right because you can then kind of sort of take 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.000 the view along with you through that ride about what 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:07.760 you're learning, whether it's about the landscape or the animals. Um. 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:10.040 But I think sometimes it can hurt us too when 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:13.840 you get like one, we have a busy schedule, so 1:06:13.960 --> 1:06:15.840 it's not like we have one big hunt lined up 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:18.480 and I'm gonna I'm gonna research it all summer long 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:20.600 and go and scout at one time during the summer 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:22.760 and get ready for it. We have a bunch of 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:24.880 hunts going on. So sometimes I feel like it hurts 1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:29.600 because we're just not doing as much research as we could. 1:06:29.880 --> 1:06:35.000 It's we're a little bit flying through the night and uh, 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:37.400 you know, getting some hot tips from some guys and 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:40.760 just hitting the ground going, you know. And it's fine 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:43.040 when we have a great time and we have success 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:45.800 and we get it done. But I think that if 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:48.920 you you know, put ten times more effort into the 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:53.120 research and scouting, we would do better. You know, a 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:56.040 good example of one we talked about would be Um 1:06:56.400 --> 1:07:00.160 where we filmed, where we filmed started out film him 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:04.440 in the Turkey episode that you, Maggie, Um and Tracy 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:06.920 were in. Is one of the guys we worked with 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.960 had heard some birds gobbling right where we started, but 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.240 then it took five minutes to realize that that's not happening. 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:17.800 And then any sort of like quote unquote scouting that 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.600 we had done was basically someone saying, hey, there were 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:23.520 some birds here whatever last spring or the spring before, 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:26.840 they were ripping right here, and they weren't there. And 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:28.960 then from then on we were just off to the races, 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.880 running around, flying by the seat of your pants, figuring 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:39.800 it out. Kelly, got any faiths Um? I mean, there's 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.680 there's a lot of good stuff on there, but I 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:46.800 feel like we kind of hit some of it often. 1:07:47.120 --> 1:07:49.040 But you don't have one killing. I don't have one. 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:59.840 You have there ever been someone someone asked this question? 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.200 This is a good question. Have there ever been any 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:06.200 planned episode hunts that have turned out so bad they 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:11.000 never aired? I like that question too. The answer is yes, yes. 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:15.720 Next question one or one one for sure, kind of 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:18.479 two one for sure kind of too. So we want 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:22.200 to be using a fair bit of one once. Uh 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:25.439 you answer refreshment, well, not refreshed. I know which ones 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:28.200 I think you're talking about. We did. We we one 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.040 time did sort of this like homage to mule Deer 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:36.320 long ago and told from an ill fated mule Deer 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:40.519 hunt pulled footage. But yeah, we've done a hundred and 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:46.000 twenty some episodes now something like that. Yeah, and the 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:49.599 only one that actually that we just fully didn't use 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:53.000 was the bear Hunt, right, yeah, twenty some episodes and 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:56.400 there's one time. There's one thing we didn't use. One 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:59.479 of my proudest I think sort of I don't know 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:01.040 if it's in a acomplishment. I guess it could be 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:04.360 an accomplishment, but as a producer of the show is 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:09.080 that we went to do another episode of Sooty Grouse 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:12.920 with Barbara a second time around, and it wasn't until 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:16.160 some point, at some point during that episode, we started thinking, 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:19.919 you know what, we might have a pretty good prequel 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.120 to this. We should look at that footage that we 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:24.000 think is so bad that there and there is no 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.080 episode there. And we went and looked at it, and 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:28.759 we said, you know what, there is an an episode 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:30.600 here and it will be a great prequel to the 1:09:30.720 --> 1:09:34.479 one with Barbara and so were. I'm proud to have 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:38.800 resurrected one that was in the camp. We're not in 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:42.080 the camp. How would you say it was in the cards? 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:48.639 Just chopped. So someone's wondering one hunting out of state 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:51.000 or out of the country, Let's just keep it to 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:55.400 out of state. What are the logistics when traveling with 1:09:55.680 --> 1:10:03.439 the meat and firearms? Firearms are easy, easy to travel with. Uh, 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:07.120 it's just easy. You take your ammunition. Your ammunition has 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:11.840 to be in a box designed to hold ammunition. It's 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.599 best is to carry your ammunition around in the box 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:17.720 that you bought it in. But if you're a handloader 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:20.280 or whatever and you use those little plastic what's that 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:24.679 company MGM, not MGM M, t M MTM case whatever 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:27.799 the hell? You keep your ammo in a box designed 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:30.599 to hold ammo and slap a label on it make 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:32.920 it obvious it's ammo. Yeah, Like, you're probably going to 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.120 run into some issues if, for some odd reason you 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:38.680 had a bunch of thirty six rounds jammed inside a 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:43.880 toothpaste to or Yeah, no, no, no, that would be illegal. Yep, Yeah, 1:10:43.920 --> 1:10:47.120 they're gonna probably question you like, oh no, it's in 1:10:47.200 --> 1:10:50.920 a box. It's in my travel tooth paste box. They'll 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:54.040 not like that. Has Yeah, this box made designed for 1:10:54.120 --> 1:10:58.880 carrying ammunition. That's a good point. I'm not following that. 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:00.920 If you just had a box, you think it's great 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:04.040 for carrying ammo, but it wasn't like an AMMO box. No, 1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:07.320 it stays specifically, it's got to be designed to carry ammunitions. 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:09.920 That can't be a toothpaste box. Yeah, And I was 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:13.960 thinking along the path of why would somebody make that 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:20.280 point specifically. It's probably because I said in a box, Um, 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:24.479 that can go well, I think in your regular Duffel 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:29.599 bag yep, or or in your case. But that being said, 1:11:29.720 --> 1:11:31.519 all these things that we're going to talk about now, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:34.000 you should. It depends. It's not so much a T 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:36.639 s A. They have some rules too, but the separate 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:41.559 airlines have separate rules. So before you fly, you should 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:44.320 just go to their web page look up traveling. But 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:46.280 I'm gonna tell people how to do it, and tell 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:48.120 people right now, and you're gonna you're gonna try to 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.960 cloud it by talking about what am I gonna try 1:11:50.960 --> 1:11:53.720 to cloud because yes, with some airlines you're allowed to 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:57.559 put your AMMO in the case, but oftentimes the people 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:01.040 at the counter don't know the rules and that puzzles them. 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:07.719 I always print out the page on the airline website. 1:12:07.800 --> 1:12:09.760 I was building this up as how easy it was, 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:11.840 and all everybody's doing is making it seem hard. Well, 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.280 just okay, go ahead, Air Canada, man, they are the worst. 1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:16.920 That's why I say we're going to keep it to 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:20.320 travel within the country. But I always just print out 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.160 the page and I say, I was like, hey, I 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:25.679 will do whatever you guys want to make this process easier. 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:30.200 But this is what your airline says to do. Here 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:33.080 is that they print out from from your website. I've 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:35.799 I've had to do that in the past. Is refer 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:40.880 someone to their own policy? Yes, Can I just do 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:42.680 it in a very nice way? Can I get back 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:46.599 to tell how easy it is a fail safe way. 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.720 A box or two of AAML. I can't have more 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:59.880 than seven pounds of it. You gotta get you can't 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:03.200 have more. This is per airline. You can't have more 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:06.719 than eleven which is which, trust me, is a lot 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:10.400 of a box or two of amel in the box 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.720 you bought it in and put that in your deffel bag. 1:13:14.240 --> 1:13:16.960 Put your deffel bag. Don't just put it in there, 1:13:17.160 --> 1:13:19.280 however you wanna put it in there. And you take 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.600 your firearm and you get a case and your firearms unloaded, 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:26.120 and you don't have anything else in the case, and 1:13:26.200 --> 1:13:28.679 you just have a gun case. It's a hard sided 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:32.240 lockable gun case. And you have a t s a 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:36.439 lock or a padlock for every lock spot on the case. 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:41.200 Meaning if there's four padlock holes four padlocks, that's why 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:43.320 you want to buy a two padlock hole hard case. 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:46.920 You get a two padlock whole hard case. I use 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:51.560 bot and Pelican. Put your padlocks on there. You walk in, 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.960 you say, I have two bags, a check one of 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:57.160 what this is the language I always use, one of 1:13:57.240 --> 1:13:59.960 which is a firearm. They will then handle all the 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:04.200 declaration that says I do hereby swear my gun's empty. 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:08.519 You sign it, you put it in there. They either 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:11.120 put it on the belt or they have you taken 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:16.160 over to the excess baggage place and you hang tight 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:20.040 because someone's gonna inspect it. They inspect it, make sure 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:23.000 it's not pack full of bombs, and then you go 1:14:23.080 --> 1:14:25.400 on your way. And when you go to pick it up. 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:27.479 It doesn't come out in the luggage carousel used to 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:29.240 not too long ago, but now it will come out 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:31.120 in the special bag, like where you go to file 1:14:31.160 --> 1:14:34.800 a claim. When you they lose your bags, they'll hold it. 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:36.360 You go and show them your I d they hand 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.200 your things. Sometimes I put a big zip tie around 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:41.080 the box. Nothing to it. It's supposed to all put 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:44.200 a big Giants title on it. Man, that sounds easy, 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:50.560 Steve Dude. Easy Now with meat, Man, We've done a 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:54.960 hundred things. I'm gonna try to give the most typical way, 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:59.800 the most typical best way to do it. You go 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:03.800 off some other place, you go out of state. Let's 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.240 say you go to Maryland and you get to seek 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:11.559 a deer and you want to bring it home. Um now, 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:14.639 maybe I don't know, maybe your uncle has a processing shop. Whatever. 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.160 I'm just talking about, like normal, just normal, how we 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:20.800 would do it. We would get our dear, bone it 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:23.880 out and leave it in big primary cuts, so like 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:28.840 bone the thing out, put it in gallon size ziplocks, 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.240 and in the perfect world, put a good freeze on it, 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:37.080 or some freeze on it. Get a cold put a 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:40.360 freeze on it. Whatever you do and then load it 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:46.920 into uh Yetie hoppers. Forties were great forties no longer 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:52.439 made the thirties because of Yetie hopper. You're allowed to 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:55.400 check fifty pounds per box. If you have a big 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:58.400 like a big hard sided cooler, you're eating up your 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:02.400 poundage with the cooler, but with the hoppers. The hoppers 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.679 weigh six seven pounds, so when you check fifty pounds, 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:09.400 you're actually legit. You're checking forty three pounds of boneless 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:13.160 meat and only seven pounds is the cooler. So we 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:17.559 zip it into hoppers um and fly home. And then 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:19.280 when you get home, thrown in the freezer, or if 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:21.240 you got time, sorted out and package at all how 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:23.960 you want it. But if not, if we're leaving again 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:26.240 on another hunt, we'll take those gallons size zip blocks, 1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:28.400 put them in a freezer, and then in the winter, 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:30.360 when you get time, pull them back out, let him 1:16:30.400 --> 1:16:33.519 fall enough to break them apart, trim them whatever you 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:35.280 want to do, get him recipe ready, and then go 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:37.920 back in the freezer. And people would be like, they'll 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:39.800 make this sound that I often they'll make a sound 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:44.000 like the dude, the dude, you can't freeze it and 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:46.920 then thought and refreeze it the due. You just hear 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:52.800 this person on Instagram in the comment section. It's like, 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:54.920 yes you can, Yes you can. And the reason I 1:16:55.040 --> 1:16:59.840 know you can is because I have eaten literally thousands 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:03.400 of pounds of meat that was frozen and then thought 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.040 and refrozen and I'm still here, not in jail. What 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:09.640 is the reason? Someone leave that comment, like what is this? 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:12.200 It's just one of the things that people. You got 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:15.519 your you got your people that don't know. M okay, 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.800 you got your people that don't know and they just 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:21.360 think you can't because of sanitation whatever. Then you got 1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:25.200 you're like people who are like Joe wild game mm hm, 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:29.519 even a lot more Joe. But you've got people who 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:31.320 are Joe wild game and they're like, well, no, I 1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:34.080 actually can't because of the moisture loss and because the 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:41.040 food temperature stuff. Yes you can, you can, because we 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:44.640 do it all the time and we're all fine. The 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:47.040 other thing that I want to throw in here is, 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:53.040 and I hear this often, if you want, if that 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:55.479 meat is near and dear to you and you want 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:58.840 to take it home, it can be done. Don't let 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:03.479 anybody weary you're at tell you that oh no. Yeah, 1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:08.479 Like sometimes it takes stand up all night and getting 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:12.360 things really separated to get them cooled down to an 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:16.080 appropriate temperature, but it can be done. I hear horror 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:20.320 stories about outfitters really going out of their way to 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.600 discourage clients wanting to bring their game home because it 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:29.400 just adds to the stuff they have to deal with. Yes, yeah, bad. 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:33.519 I one time was flying out of I can't remember 1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:36.200 what airport in Florida it was back is Jeff Blue 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:40.040 still an airline. They were telling me that it was 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:42.320 like Palm Beach or something. They're saying that we have 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:44.920 a policy that no one can fly with fish. I'm like, 1:18:45.080 --> 1:18:49.679 that cannot be true. Jeff Lewis telling you that one time. 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:51.960 And I raised a big stinking and let me check it. 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:53.640 But someone at the conner try to tell me that 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.639 you can't fly fish, but you can't fly with fish, 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.880 and they back down, but just flippingly, like just to 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:03.280 just to get rid of the half and to deal 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:06.840 with it. Can't flay off fish. Yeah yeah, And I, 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:10.840 um yeah, I've had kind of similar experiences where it's 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:14.479 like where you start beating them up a little bit 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:18.400 just by asking politely. Have a bunch of different questions, 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:21.240 and it comes down to, like, let me get the 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:27.559 form out Alaska Airlines, that's a fish from hunting friendly airline. Man, 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:32.360 if you don't have fish, you don't fly and catch 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.080 Candlelaska Airlines they take your fishing game and go put 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:38.240 in the freezer while uh, it goes from the baggage 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:41.160 counter into a freezer and then it goes from the 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:43.200 freezer a round of the plane when it's time. Do 1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:46.519 they take fishing game? Serious? Mate? Do you want to 1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:50.400 make the point though that I personally believe of the 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:53.240 opinion that the meat does not have to be frozen. 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:57.880 A good chill cold is good, But as long as 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:01.560 it wasn't radiating heat, I would put it into that 1:20:01.920 --> 1:20:04.320 hopper and stick it into that plane. It's gonna go 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:06.240 into the belly of the plane and then go up 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:09.240 to thirty feet where it as cold as hell. That's probab, 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:11.479 you're gonna be cooling. I mean, unless you're just happy 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:16.400 to be flying from Florida to California via Texas and 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:19.200 just staying in the hot zone the whole time. But 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.599 for the most part, it's probably getting colder as you fly. 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:25.640 Your meat is gonna be fine even if you it 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.880 was like a very very long day of flying. It's 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:31.160 gonna stay cool, it's not gonna warm up. You're gonna 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.920 be fine. And then you can fly with I think 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:40.680 three pounds of dry ice. Really yeah, a couple of 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:43.880 chech questions and don't put dry ice and a yetdie 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:47.040 hopper and seal it. Oh it'll be other too air tight. Yeah, 1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:50.240 they they we almost can'ton Greuth and I had almost 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:53.320 had a couple of meat bombs. We had a couple 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:55.800 of scary situations of dry ice and hoppers. If you 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:57.439 if you put dry us in the hopp or leave 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:00.759 the zipper cracked a little bit, yea, what is that whistling? 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:03.000 And I started digging through the back of the handle 1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:06.439 fire and I'm like, oh my god. I never ever 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:09.160 messed with try ice. Man. I had a trick. I 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:11.080 got in trouble for talking about this one time. But 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:13.120 we had a trick once upon time where this is 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:16.280 a hotel trick. You know those ice machines at hotels 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:17.600 where you take your a little bucket ice and go 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.639 out in the hallway and get ice. It's humming away 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:22.360 down the hall. Man. We've had I was on it. 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:24.360 I was doing an NPR interview one time and someone 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:26.400 was asking about traveling with fish, and I say, you know, 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.800 it's a good trick because we used to stick fish 1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:34.080 and keep it chilled in the icemaker at the hotel. 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:36.000 Just kind of dig a trough in the back and 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:38.000 stick your frozen fish back and then and shove the 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.759 ice back on it. And I can't here, man. Someone 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:43.960 the the NPR station got a lot of complaints from 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:48.160 hotel you from hotel, from hotel people being pissed about 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:55.000 it's smart. Couple questions. Someone says, Steve never uses a 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:57.200 spot and scope? What's up with that? Spot scopes? All 1:21:57.200 --> 1:22:01.120 the time I used spotting sculpts. Nine of my spot 1:22:01.240 --> 1:22:05.960 and scope use is given something a careful examination after 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.840 I have found it. I don't find a lot of 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:12.240 stuff with spotting scopes. I don't know any real serious 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:17.160 hunters that we hang with that sit around for hours 1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:20.760 the way we do glassing through binoculars, closing one eye 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:25.160 am peering through a single spotting scope. It just doesn't 1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:29.639 from what I've seen, it just doesn't work. Yeah, your 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:34.040 eyes get tired that way. You're like squinting. Um. The 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:36.439 panting is harder. You need to have both eyes open 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:40.200 when you're doing initial glassing. And yeah, and now there 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.799 is a thing where you can mount two spotting scopes 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:46.240 side by side and look through them at the same time. Man, 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:51.479 oh baby, show me that. That sounds great. But I 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:55.400 do think even um, if you're doing a lot of 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:59.920 like fine looking trying to locate what the spottings go, 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:04.520 just because of that, I relief, uh kind of fresh perspective. 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:08.280 It's great to bounce back and forth, um, because it 1:23:08.360 --> 1:23:13.960 almost like rejuvenates between bounce back and forth between your eyes. 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:18.320 Oh no, just from binos to spot or even when 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:21.200 you haven't located anything, yeah you know, yeah, like who's 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.160 your hunt? I oftentimes just had to lay down and 1:23:23.240 --> 1:23:25.000 just close my eyes, and my eyes start to get 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:27.360 such like just like a weird like I've been staring 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.400 ating my act. There's too long. But we're just not 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:31.160 at mule your hunt. I carry it like I had 1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:34.360 my just regular I emols myself with a pair of 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:36.559 ten power binos, so I had a pair of vortex 1:23:36.680 --> 1:23:41.240 raisors of tens and then I had a five millimeter 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:43.639 so that's like the objective lens so big ass spot 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:48.519 and scope, and I had that thing out ten times. Well, 1:23:49.520 --> 1:23:53.000 I don't know, we're seeing four to ten bucks every 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:56.400 day every year we found I'd had the spot and 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:58.280 scope out looking at it, so it's out all the 1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:00.439 time or now and then to be like some little 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:02.439 pocket you couldn't really see into and you're kind of 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:04.360 curious about, I might put a spot in scope on it. 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:07.439 But every time we'd be like, there's a box, and 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:10.320 I would get spots about one to see what was 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:12.639 up with him, and two to scan around and see 1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:15.320 if he had anybody's hanging around bedding under some tree nearby. 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:18.000 So I'd always give him. I'm doing it all the time, man, 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:20.160 I'd like to keep it handy. I don't like to 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:21.800 put it where I can't get at it, because then 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:23.400 you know, then you're too lazy and you can't get 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:26.240 it out when you're glassing. Are there different techniques that 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:31.120 you use with your binos checking out a hillside or yeah? Yeah, 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:34.560 I mean up, down, back forth, all that kind of 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:41.920 stuff near far close. Yeah, mine is pretty um. I 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:43.559 sit down and look at all the good stuff first, 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.960 and then I start picking the place apart. Yeah, I 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:50.960 go over down, back, try to break it up into 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:52.479 a way. A minute. Let's say youre looking across a 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:57.160 flat plane at a hill and there's like, you know, 1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:59.760 there's like a big ridge that divides the hill you're 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:01.400 looking that. I might be like, Okay, I'm gonna do 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:06.960 the left of that ridge side to side. I can't 1:25:07.200 --> 1:25:09.280 do the right ridge. I'm gonna do the flat plane. 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:12.240 I'm gonna go in that order again and again and 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:14.600 again and again and again and again and again, and 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:16.519 try to have some order to it, because if you 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:18.240 just look at all the cool looking stuff, you miss 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:23.479 a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's curious about no the tech question. 1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:27.720 Why fixed blades and not mechanicals. I don't know a 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:32.559 man broadheads, I don't know. I just like them because 1:25:32.560 --> 1:25:34.680 they're already in the position they're supposed to be in 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.640 fixed blades. But no, it's not, it's nothing. It's just 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:40.400 I'm like, oh, there it is, is all put together. 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:42.679 It doesn't need to do anything. I don't think that's 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:46.960 not enough. That's my reason. It's already the way. It's 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:48.880 already the way it's supposed to be. And I don't 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:52.840 gotta wonder, right, But I mean, but I know a 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:57.400 lot of like very accomplished archers who know more about 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:00.920 archie tackle than I ever will, who love mechanicals. But 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.720 for me, it's just like one less thing. We we 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:06.040 used them for a while and it was kind of 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:09.320 even the infancy. No, I mean they've been around a 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:10.920 long time. It was kind of like when they first 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:15.280 started becoming popular and they had the rubber bands, you know, 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:18.560 and like they'd get too much sunlight on them, and 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:20.360 then the rubber band and be brittle, or the rubber 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:22.120 bands that we're supposed to be and you're like checking 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:25.360 your pockets for just like I messled them and then 1:26:25.400 --> 1:26:30.800 I just something about I like one piece like one 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:34.519 piece broadheads, because I just I just look at it 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:37.720 and I understand it and I know what's up with it. Yeah, 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:39.760 you get a little corrosion and stuff just from like 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:44.719 morning do after multiple mornings in the field running around 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:49.600 and and they I've had them like stuck together to 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:50.920 the point where I was like, I don't care what 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.599 you run this through. It's not gonna come open. It's 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:55.120 just like old man ship. I look at it and 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:58.240 I understand it. Nothing needed to be put together. I 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:00.920 just know that. It's like that's what it is there. 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:06.720 It is that makes sense. Yeah, I wouldn't use mechanicals 1:27:06.840 --> 1:27:09.680 much either. You know, I think that the technology has 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:13.840 come a long way with those broadheads. If I shot 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:17.840 my bow at more critters, i'd probably try him. Um. 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:23.880 But yeah, right now, I shoot fixed because they seem 1:27:24.600 --> 1:27:28.920 more sturdy, more durable. They filled the engineer. Remember how 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:30.320 earlier today I was trying to get you to go 1:27:30.360 --> 1:27:32.400 to hunter safety. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say you went to 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:36.280 hunter safety and then you got a bowl and you 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:39.439 learn how to shoot your bow, and then you developed 1:27:39.479 --> 1:27:46.240 this this insatiable blood lust. Probably probably gonna happen. Uh. 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:49.240 Would you be a fixed man or a mechanical man? Well, 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.639 I mean just the same reasons that you're talking about. 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:55.479 It seems more simple, probably will last longer, I'm guessing, 1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:58.280 like like in the morning, you know less of a 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:00.920 chance of them falling up. Heart you're worth, is your 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:04.080 fixed man? Yeah? From all the knowledge I know about 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:07.519 the subject, I've weighed the pros and cons, and I've 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:09.639 come to the conclusion that I am a fixed man. 1:28:11.560 --> 1:28:14.880 Well stated, you can hit number thirty one if you 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:17.280 want to knock it out. Another tech question, Oh yeah, 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:19.560 great tech question. This one comes up a lot. You 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:22.200 can't answer it enough. Go ahead, cal give the question 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.920 and the answer. What is the electrical tape on the 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:29.680 end of your barrel? If you just answer that straight out, 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:33.240 it would be electrical tape. But we've learned about this 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:39.760 in hunter safety. I think they like, crap in your gun. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.519 We discussed it. I can't remember. I think it's on 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:46.960 the test putting a piece of tape over the have 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:50.080 to ask Tracy, Yeah, there's in one of the videos. 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:53.200 I think. Really, yeah, preventing stuff from getting down into 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:56.439 your barrel your gun. That's great, that's it. Yep. They 1:28:56.479 --> 1:28:59.280 didn't tell me that. In hunter safety. Yeah, that there 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:03.439 is intense they fail get ready. I remember them discussed, 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:08.720 like talking a lot about keeping your muzzle clear, you know, 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:13.639 I mean aware of the fact that you could trip 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:16.680 stumble poke your muzzle into the mud and it was 1:29:16.680 --> 1:29:19.680 gonna jam eight inches of mud into your muzzle, which 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.439 I've never seen actually happen in real life, and then 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:25.280 you would pull the trigger in the back pressure would 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:28.120 cause the gun to blow up. I packed a barrel 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:34.080 full of snow this morning. Bad. Really, I I packed 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.920 my rifle barrel full of mud, packing of bull. The 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:42.080 bull is already long since expired in in pieces. I'm 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:46.960 partially on my back but stumbling through the rifle slit 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:52.120 off and uh, that is terrible. But it got cold 1:29:52.240 --> 1:29:55.360 enough to where that whole core of mud just came out, 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.280 and I swear to God that thing was so clean 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:04.120 actually helped. I don't understand how it worked, but um, yeah, 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:08.400 it's just an I mean major barrel cleaner like it 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.920 just yeah, But I did a you know, full maybe 1:30:12.000 --> 1:30:13.880 I had just built up how dirty it was going 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:15.800 to be in my mind, and by the time I 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:17.759 got back and actually put a light down the barrel 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:20.080 and looked at it, I was very amazed at how 1:30:20.439 --> 1:30:24.920 how clean it was. Um, you're feeling good about it? Yeah, 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:30.479 this is one that I like because I've heard it 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:34.280 discussed in a lot of circles with with folks that 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:39.680 have produced all sorts of shows and movies for Netflix, 1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:44.080 which is doesn't bother you that all those months of 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:50.599 hard work can be watched in a day. Yes, yes, Maggie, 1:30:51.280 --> 1:30:56.400 yeahly season nine, are you getting those comments? The number 1:30:56.439 --> 1:30:59.200 one comment that's probably the number one question on you 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:03.599 should have that an audio thing? When season nine filming, 1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:07.280 it right now. I think that's just the whole world 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:09.000 of just I mean, not that I work on the show, 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:11.920 but just production and post production. It's like a lot 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:13.639 of stuff I do. Sometimes you have to think about 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:16.320 You're like, man, the lifespan is less than twelve hours 1:31:16.400 --> 1:31:18.840 in the days and time, and that I put in 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:21.280 a into it more or less than also all the 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:25.479 other people working on it. It's just crazy to think about. 1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:29.519 But a big motion picture that you also watching nine 1:31:29.800 --> 1:31:35.320 twenty minutes, they can spend years on years millions of 1:31:35.439 --> 1:31:40.680 dollars for those two hours, millions and millions um. But 1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:46.600 nobody complains about that. Good chat question. Do you have 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.240 a pack weight limit? How much is too much? Man, 1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:57.400 it's gone down over the years. Uh. At a time 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:02.800 we would care area around packs that were approaching a 1:32:02.920 --> 1:32:07.719 hundred pounds um and while and it's like something really 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.120 weird happens when you jump up, like even when you 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:13.360 jump up to like seventy pounds, you put it on 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:18.000 and you suddenly feel kind of fragile, Like you put 1:32:18.080 --> 1:32:21.680 it on, you could picture hurting yourself. You're like, I 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:25.679 could picture tripping and hurting myself. And I have done 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:27.840 a couple big pack outs. I don't know if it 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:31.560 was probably not over a hundred pounds, but done a 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:35.840 couple of packouts and now you know over a decade ago. 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:40.120 Uh that just that that you didn't feed, your body 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:45.200 didn't feel right for a week or two after, like 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:47.960 you like just just I don't do it anymore. I 1:32:48.040 --> 1:32:51.519 just don't do it anymore. When we wait those what 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:53.800 do we wait? We weigh those packs on that Washington 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:56.479 Elk hunt, H well, I had, like my was like 1:32:56.560 --> 1:33:00.320 eighty four and years was like no low nine these 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:05.160 maybe and they were pretty brutal. I think nine pound 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:08.720 pounds over the top. I think for me on that one, 1:33:09.800 --> 1:33:12.599 I can't remember Dandy pulled off a pack to weighed 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:17.760 one on nine or something once. Yeah, there's a lot 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:20.200 that you could we could pull off. I mean, I'm 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:22.120 sure I could carry a hundred and thirty pounder out 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:24.800 of the woods. But I'm playing the long game these days, 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:27.680 and I want to be hunting hel can romp in 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:30.720 the mountains well into my sixties. That means I have 1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:35.280 at least twenty years maybe of good mountain hunting. And 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:38.679 uh and much rather take this last bull I killed 1:33:38.680 --> 1:33:43.400 in Colorado. We did two trips. The guy that I 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:46.920 was with was not gonna do one big load anyways. 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.240 I probably could have doubled up quarters and packed it out, 1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:51.760 you know. So if I had two guys like me, 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:54.000 we could have done it one trip. But we just 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:57.519 you know, went lighter packs fifty to sixty pound, did 1:33:57.600 --> 1:34:00.200 two trips. Felt great. At the end of the day, 1:34:00.760 --> 1:34:03.960 walked you know, an extra six miles, but it was 1:34:03.960 --> 1:34:06.599 a nice day to be in the mountains, you know. Yeah, 1:34:07.080 --> 1:34:11.639 I think it's for context, Like I can put ten 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:17.080 days worth of what I need to live and and 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:21.760 honestly pretty darn comfortably in the mountains um on my 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:28.599 back and the whole kit everything I need is under 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:33.080 sixty pounds for ten days. I don't know if that 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:35.800 does provide contacts for folks. But yeah, well then you're 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:37.840 like you put it on, and you're very aware of 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:41.920 having that pack on. You're like a where that it's there. Yeah, 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:46.120 And I guess the good news there is like from 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:51.200 the first snack on, it's getting lighter the whole time, 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:53.560 you know, like it will and until it's time to 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:57.120 start packing animals out, it's it's not going to increase 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:01.880 in weight. Uh. Question trophy hunting question, how do you 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.120 learn to gauge the size of a deer long distance 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:06.840 just by looking at him all the time? And the 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:08.600 other thing is like you gotta kind of ask you 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:14.000 something like why do you care? Uh? We like I 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:16.280 like to look because you like big giant buck. Yeah. 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:18.120 Like the other day I was saying to someone, we're 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:19.439 hunt with some guys, and whe of these guys have 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:21.519 passed up a five point bowl, and I was saying, 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:25.280 my new mantra is that elker for eating and mule 1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:31.080 deer are for looking for big ones. Um. Yeah, I 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:32.720 guess you just learned a little I don't know, like 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:35.559 a good like for for us. When we're like looking 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:37.599 at mule deer and looking at COO's deer and stuff, 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:40.400 the first thing you're looking for is um. It's kind 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:45.400 of like the most immediate reference is you describe boxes 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.439 like outside the ears, inside the ears, outside of the ears, 1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:50.160 inside of the ears. Like if you see a box 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:55.200 and his horns are wider than his ears, you take notice. 1:35:56.600 --> 1:35:59.479 You're like, let me get a look, right, Yeah, there's 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:02.360 a buck hey inside the ears. The truly big ones 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:05.479 doesn't matter what species of antler and animal this is 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:09.000 our buddy Jay Scott always say this. It's like it's 1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:12.280 gonna look abnormally large on his head. It's gonna make 1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:15.519 his head look little because those are the truly it looks. 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:18.880 It looks weird because it's so big. You can do 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.760 all the you know, oh, it was touching his butt 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:24.160 when he put his head back, or when he turned 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:26.040 his head. It was his wise is you know, from 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:28.760 his shoulders to this, that and the other. The really 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.840 big ones, they just like, there's no question about it. 1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:33.720 If you have to try to talk yourself into it. 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:36.120 It's not as big as you want it to be. 1:36:36.800 --> 1:36:39.479 Other things like if you really are like trying to 1:36:39.520 --> 1:36:42.439 trophy judge an animal. Well, now before we get into that, 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.080 another quick hitter is usually the more mature animals were 1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:48.280 gonna gonna have a little bit of a darker antler, 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:51.519 especially looking at mule deer, the young spinley ones tend 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:54.600 to be a little bit whiter in color, a little chalkier. 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:58.080 The darker ones are with the more mature ones. But 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:01.160 after that it comes down to high length. You're looking 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:09.040 for long times, but a big thick chocolate e outside 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.000 the ears. We we were talking abut because we're talking 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.559 like like why why does everyone seem to in our 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:17.360 group of friends and stuff, everyone sort of agrees on 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:23.240 what's like absolutely like a shooter box, right, and I 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:28.400 don't know, it just has certain yeah dark antler Yeah, 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:33.160 a minimum amount past years. And I was looking all 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:35.680 the time. Uh, the last time I gotta go up 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:39.599 and hunt Alberta for me oldier. My spotting scope actually 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:41.439 got stolen out of the back of my track. So 1:37:41.560 --> 1:37:43.920 I was up there hunting without a spotting scope and 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:49.439 it was like very very frustrating, but I so all. 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:53.040 I had my UM tripod and my binoculars on the 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:58.280 tripod and was glassing and um, I had to and 1:37:58.360 --> 1:38:01.600 you're looking at deer from a long way way. I 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:08.160 had to really rely on the body like that is 1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:12.320 a big body. It appears to have a big gut 1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:17.280 on it, and it's got antlers on its head. I'm 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:21.360 gonna go after that buck, not the rest of these bucks, 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:27.120 because that is just a significantly bulkier deer that that 1:38:27.320 --> 1:38:31.720 looks older from this perspective way back belly dragger. And 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:36.800 I will tell you absolutely no exaggeration. I was consistently 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:40.800 hunting larger deer than the guys that we're hunting with 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:45.240 spotting scipes. Yeah, because there it's like you want to 1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:47.720 go take off and chase a deer and and go 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:50.800 hunt it. And and I would have been the exact 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:52.600 same way. But and they were like, boy, that's a 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:56.280 really nice dear. Boy, that's a really nice dear. And 1:38:56.400 --> 1:38:59.160 they're like, it's got to be big, like a little 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:01.679 bit of talking to yourself off into it because you're 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:04.120 raring to go and you want to go. I give 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.439 it every deer the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I 1:39:06.520 --> 1:39:09.240 start out assuming every deer is a bucket, Every buck 1:39:09.360 --> 1:39:14.960 is a big un until until it proves otherwise. That's 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:17.920 my operating assumption. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:20.720 So here's the question, has nothing to do with the 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:23.240 season eight of met Eater. How long can you keep 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:26.519 properly packaged frozen wild game before eating it? Depends on 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:29.680 what it is. I just got my wife and I 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:32.760 stayed up late last night, and uh, I made a big, 1:39:32.840 --> 1:39:35.320 big mess and got in trouble me because I just 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.160 had a defrost my freezer, which we're going through a 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:40.599 cold snap right now, and I was say, a great 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:43.040 time for freezer first thing about your dad and saying, 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:45.759 you know what, don't curse the darkness light of candle. 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:49.080 It's zero negative something out there right now. That's a 1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:52.400 great idea. Pull everything out of your freezer. Just chuck 1:39:52.439 --> 1:39:54.840 it on the back deck at our house. You do 1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:57.679 have to cover it because the magpies will get after. 1:39:58.040 --> 1:39:59.720 I don't know how the hell they figure out that 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:03.680 they're meet out there. It's like, I know, because if 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:05.880 it's just a piece of if it's a bone with 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:09.560 some scrap on it, I was like, it's color. But 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:13.280 how do they know. I don't know. God, he got 1:40:13.320 --> 1:40:15.240 a good nose on him. Yeah, it must be. It 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.320 must be the nose. So anyways, the day before I 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:20.920 just turned the freezer off after I emptied it and 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.800 opened up the plug at the bottom, thinking there's like 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:26.240 a little bit of you know, frost in there that 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:29.240 needs to melt out. When I came home, it's like 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:32.439 not half but like you know, there was a good 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:38.400 ten foot radius around the freezer. Really, dude, I need 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.600 to be frost my freezer. But anyways, we put it 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:42.840 all back in there last night and there was a 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.040 tender loin elk tender loin from seventeen. I get so 1:40:46.160 --> 1:40:49.960 attached to those things that I'm like, let's you guys 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:53.040 aren't worth it. Let's say it for another year. I 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.200 got no problem. I think it's gonna be a great 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:59.000 piece of I would say it depends what it is. 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:01.240 Meaning I like to eat. When we go to our 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:03.080 fish shack and bring salmon home, I like to get 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:06.880 them eating up. Yes, all that seafood does not do well. 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:09.920 It doesn't do well like any and all. See like 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:13.200 if you got if you got bluegill flas. You know 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:16.920 there's that fish, giant Travoli, and everybody likes to calm gets. 1:41:17.479 --> 1:41:22.080 Let's start calm bluegills bags. If you got bluegill flase, 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:24.720 they're so lean, you know what I mean. If you 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.360 freeze like bluegill flas and water, I mean you can 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:30.919 keep them for a long time. But generally, like seafood, 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:32.280 I just like to get rid of it. If I 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:34.439 was gonna say that, I think that the high that 1:41:34.640 --> 1:41:37.720 a high fat content has to do with something has 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:42.920 to do with how little how I fatty fish can't 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:46.040 freeze long sure, or fatty meat for that matter. You know, 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:49.920 pork just doesn't last. The fat ends up going back bear. 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:52.320 Meat that's not properly trimmed goes bad fast and to 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:56.240 freeze like the fat goes ransom, and the freezer properly trimmed, like, 1:41:56.360 --> 1:42:00.280 let's just say we're talking about venison deep members of 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:04.040 the deer family. Trim the tallow off, trim the fat off. 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:08.760 It lasts for years if you you can vaccinal it, 1:42:09.520 --> 1:42:11.000 but then you gotta take care of the bags. And 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:14.680 I use a vaxin there for seafood, so I think 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:16.120 it does a nice job of seafood. But I like 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:17.880 to wrap my red meat. I like to wrap it 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.240 in plastic wrap, and I like to wrap in wax 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:25.840 freezer paper and good tight wrap. Then put the wax 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:27.960 freezer paper on. It seems like a lot, but you 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:31.479 can eat it years later. I quit label in the 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:34.240 meat in my freezer. I quit label in the date 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:37.240 because then people I don't like have to explain the 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:41.680 date to people. Right, and my wife looks in there 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:44.720 and she sees something that says two thousand seventeen. Well, 1:42:44.760 --> 1:42:46.960 you're like, what the hell is that? I just don't 1:42:47.000 --> 1:42:48.120 even put it on it, and then no one has 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:51.200 the no. Then I don't have to explain why stuff 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:54.080 on my counter says three years ago if if, if 1:42:54.120 --> 1:42:56.160 it came down to it, it's not like David Meltzer 1:42:56.200 --> 1:43:01.400 brought over the ship from dug it up. But I 1:43:01.800 --> 1:43:03.600 I try to do uh what how do you call it? 1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:08.040 We talked about this, uh lasting first last in, first out, 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:12.000 first in, first out. Yeah yeah, I used to working 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:14.200 at a grocery store. First yeah. I try to do 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:16.160 first and first out. And in fact, now the hunting 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:19.479 season is totally rolling. I have a plan. I need 1:43:19.560 --> 1:43:24.439 to go do some organization and I'm gonna take uh, 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:27.400 anything I have from last year is going into my 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:32.200 kitchen freezer, and and the rule being that's all gone 1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:34.960 before anybody, because I still have some stray stuff from 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:37.680 last year, that's all gone before anybody taps into this year, 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:41.080 even though I've been eating this year already, because if 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:43.479 I come home with stuff rather than just freezing it, 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:46.800 I'll sometimes just start eating it because like why freezing 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:49.240 and thought you know what I mean, it's a good rotation. 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.120 It's so nice to do a little freezer clean because 1:43:52.200 --> 1:43:55.040 you forget you have all these little goodies, like I 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:57.280 found a couple of bags of crabs that you brought 1:43:57.400 --> 1:44:00.160 for me, that hadn't gotten eaten yet. So those from 1:44:00.240 --> 1:44:03.360 this year, yeah, I hope, so they didn't have a 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:09.000 date on him. The reason for that? Um? What else 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:11.960 did I find in there? Some turkey liver pati that 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:16.160 I froze? Let's say it for some little fancy cocktail 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:23.040 dinner time type thing. Here's one. How do you know 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:25.599 when you're done? Okay, I don't know more about shooting 1:44:25.640 --> 1:44:27.439 a wounding and animal. How do you know when you're 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:30.240 done searching? At what point is the breaking point for 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:36.920 giving in? Oh? That's tough, man. Um, I think when 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:44.120 you're exhausted, that's stupid. It's not stupid. You're exhausted. You're 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:47.280 already tired. It's gonna be no exhausted from the looking 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:49.800 part you got. Because there's been times when I've we've 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:52.120 gone back to camp. I've gone back to camp, gotten 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:54.599 a full, nice rest, and then searched all the next 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:59.479 day and become exhausted from looking, not exhausted from the hunt. Um, 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:06.440 it's mentally oh man, yeah, no, yeah, mentally and physically exhausted. 1:45:06.520 --> 1:45:08.240 But when you just I don't know, when you just 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:12.759 feel like there's no hope, you have to start what happens. 1:45:12.760 --> 1:45:14.920 I think after a while, with a lot of experience 1:45:15.000 --> 1:45:20.240 of hitting animals with projectiles and making good and bad hits, 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:23.439 is that you just get to read. You see the 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:26.519 same things play over and over over again, Like when 1:45:26.600 --> 1:45:30.840 you see a broadhead broadhead tipped arrow going to an 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:35.400 elks shoulder four or five six, maybe even eight inches. 1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:40.479 You know what, I'm like, Probably not gonna do too 1:45:40.560 --> 1:45:44.160 much looking. I've just seen too many of those. It's 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.360 just like, dude, that thing gets hit worse when he 1:45:47.439 --> 1:45:50.880 fights with his buddy tomorrow, you know, from the Antler Times, right, 1:45:51.760 --> 1:45:54.280 So you after a while you learned to read those hits, 1:45:54.479 --> 1:45:58.559 you know. Um, that's if I had to answer the question, 1:45:58.640 --> 1:46:00.439 that's why I deferred you. If I had to answer it, 1:46:00.520 --> 1:46:04.920 I would say that the more you're exposed to the 1:46:05.080 --> 1:46:08.640 more you start to like make sense of things and 1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:12.360 you and it changes your approach where if you're like 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:14.880 I did think I know that thing is dead or 1:46:14.960 --> 1:46:18.040 I know that thing's not gonna die, right, Yeah, but man, 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:22.200 it's the assumption that that's such a killer two Like 1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:26.040 I I mean, I've just seen the most bizarre stuff 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:28.920 and and that bowl I lost in New Mexico, Like 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:33.880 it was such a non lethal hit and it would 1:46:33.880 --> 1:46:38.200 like that placement that every the penetration was just a 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:42.759 non lethal hit. The way the bull moved afterwards, followed 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:46.439 the tracks, no blood, no nothing, non lethal, non lethal, 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:49.840 non lethal. Um. The one thing though, is he was 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:53.400 still packing that arrow. And I swear to God, man, 1:46:53.640 --> 1:46:56.200 like what we found when we ultimately found the bull, 1:46:56.439 --> 1:47:01.760 which was just pure dumbass luck. Um was like, you know, 1:47:01.960 --> 1:47:06.599 backtrack from where the carcasses, and I swear to God 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:10.840 that thing laid down and jam that arrow into him, 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.680 you know. But I was like doing my due diligence 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:17.080 here falling in falling tracks, and I know we aren't 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:19.960 gonna come ount to anything, and we just really have 1:47:20.240 --> 1:47:23.280 to do that. Yeah. Man, if people make the call 1:47:23.400 --> 1:47:26.880 without even walking over, that's bad. Yeah, you should never 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:29.000 do that. And there's some things you learned. Like I 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:31.080 was on a tracking job one time. Something we didn't 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:34.960 find where you find like a bone fragment and not 1:47:35.120 --> 1:47:38.120 a lot of blood. Yeah, and you're like lower you know, 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:41.639 you're like, okay, lower leg, it's gonna be tough. Yeah, 1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:44.800 I've been there, you know. Then then like I said, 1:47:44.840 --> 1:47:48.360 this little telltale signs man, where you're like, people be like, 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:50.280 holy shit, he must be real dead. It's a bone 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:52.240 fragment land here, Like how would that happen? You're like, well, 1:47:52.280 --> 1:47:55.519 I happened to hit him in the Yeah, but he's gone. 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:59.000 We gotta look a long time since I told this story, 1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:02.200 but I was way back when was guiding antelope hunters. 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:08.679 Guy chopped his buck pancake. I was like, oh, something 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:12.960 didn't look right, and and he was very very excited, Um, 1:48:13.240 --> 1:48:16.799 real nice antelod buck. And I'm like, reload, reload, reload, 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:21.360 and he was kind of in the throes of like triumph. 1:48:22.240 --> 1:48:26.360 And finally he snaps back into it, but just in 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.280 time to see that antelope get up and Paul ass 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:33.320 out of there and go over and there is like 1:48:33.479 --> 1:48:36.640 the very top. I gotta learn the name of what 1:48:37.200 --> 1:48:41.120 this is. But you know, like the long spine, uh, 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:44.120 chunks of bone that come up from the spine like 1:48:44.240 --> 1:48:48.640 on the Rassic process. Is that on the neck? Yeah? Um, 1:48:48.920 --> 1:48:52.160 how'd you like that, Maggie. That was very impressive. That 1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:58.040 the version very impressive that I knew that someone wrote 1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:01.360 someone wrote in about that might even been our chiropractor buddy. 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:06.320 The thoracic processes or whatever, know that it was. I 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:09.360 wish Phil the editor was more the engineer, like, did 1:49:09.400 --> 1:49:13.320 a lot of fact checking. Wait, outside of his job description, 1:49:14.200 --> 1:49:16.160 we can make it my job description. That's fine. I'm 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:19.280 gonna rewrite that description. But we made a significant medical 1:49:19.360 --> 1:49:25.880 fact checking. There is hair, blood, and that top of 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:30.280 that bone land on the prairie. Oh my gosh. And yeah, 1:49:30.320 --> 1:49:33.439 I never seen that. Had a client two weeks later 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:37.400 killed that buck. Really yeah, and he knew it was 1:49:37.439 --> 1:49:39.640 the same one just because of oh, because of the 1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:46.519 giant scar and take blood puss um. Yeah. Okay, here 1:49:46.640 --> 1:49:48.760 you want to hear this is from Brian. You hunt 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:52.600 it with Brian at the the Auction to trc P 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:56.600 hunt last year in Colorado. I asked him about it 1:49:56.640 --> 1:49:59.919 after someone else had written in about it, and he replied, 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:05.200 for most mammals, the projections off the vertebrae are generally 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:11.559 referred to as spinus processes and transverse processes. That sounds 1:50:11.600 --> 1:50:14.280 like mostly right, that's an educated guess. I have not 1:50:14.439 --> 1:50:19.439 heard of thorastic processes. That doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. Oh, 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:24.160 the thorastic is just the first one. Mm hmm. So 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:27.720 it's the that was mostly wrong. Well, the thorastic is 1:50:28.240 --> 1:50:32.200 seven vertebrae, isn't it because there goes cervical thorastic lumbars, 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:37.719 spinny is process whatever? That was most right. A couple 1:50:37.720 --> 1:50:39.720 of folks that actually a lot of folks asked this 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:43.240 different forms of the same question. What are you guys 1:50:43.280 --> 1:50:46.639 packed for food for the longer hunts? Like the Alaska 1:50:46.680 --> 1:50:49.519 doll sheep hunt. Um that was that episode is a 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:53.880 lot of people's favorite episode. It's contemplative, contemplative, I go 1:50:54.040 --> 1:51:00.280 with contemplative. And the scenery is uh, beautiful scenery. It's 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:05.280 kind of like quiet and poetic and nice music. And 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:07.160 now too, I'd like to add that we have sort 1:51:07.200 --> 1:51:11.720 of we have a very good spectrum um within the 1:51:11.800 --> 1:51:14.680 media library of what doll sheep hunts can be like, 1:51:15.520 --> 1:51:16.920 because when you went on that, when you had the 1:51:17.000 --> 1:51:20.320 toke tag, we ran up there, we found a sh 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:24.479 ramp before the opening day and then got it that morning. Yeah, 1:51:24.600 --> 1:51:27.040 I mean we found a mid No, it wasn't because 1:51:27.040 --> 1:51:29.160 remember it was super foggy. We probably actually didn't even 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:31.599 see him until probably close to noon. But anyways, yeah, 1:51:31.720 --> 1:51:33.920 that next day as as they gotten that morning. But 1:51:34.240 --> 1:51:40.040 he was dead and uh, we kind of complained earlier 1:51:40.200 --> 1:51:43.400 he mentioned We're like, man, sure missed out on running 1:51:43.439 --> 1:51:45.679 a bunch of ridges that would have been fun. Well, 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:48.479 we got to run our Actually we didn't run too 1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:51.360 many ridges because it's too cloudy floor. We ran a 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:55.080 lot of valley floors on this last trip. But yeah, 1:51:55.920 --> 1:51:58.639 we have We have both types of doll sheep punts, 1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:01.320 and then there's everything in between. I'm gonna give our 1:52:02.720 --> 1:52:05.040 you know where. This is the first time anyone's mentioned it, 1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:08.160 and I hesitate to even mentioned it. We are working 1:52:08.320 --> 1:52:16.559 on two books. Um. One of these books will contain 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:19.439 you a lot of information like what I'm gonna tell 1:52:19.439 --> 1:52:25.920 you right now. Uh, our basic bad Country meal plan 1:52:26.600 --> 1:52:34.519 goals like this, um instant coffee. Oh check this out. 1:52:36.439 --> 1:52:42.400 We used Starbucks villa mm hmm um. We use Starbucks 1:52:42.520 --> 1:52:45.920 villa and bags of powdered creamer so it looks like 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:47.400 you got a bag of coke in a in a 1:52:47.520 --> 1:52:50.120 cocaine movie. You guys want to rub it on your 1:52:50.160 --> 1:52:52.840 lips and that's good ship. But a lot of people 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:56.519 like to complain about the villa. We've tried a lot 1:52:56.640 --> 1:53:01.840 of other products to find a dude in Missoula. He 1:53:01.920 --> 1:53:04.880 found one. Hear me out. Hear me out this dude 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:08.360 in Missoula. Sam, I got his address on my desk. Uh, 1:53:08.840 --> 1:53:12.000 I'm done with the v is because micro trash, man, 1:53:13.600 --> 1:53:15.120 it does leave a lot of micro trash. You gotta 1:53:15.120 --> 1:53:17.200 please your micro trash. But here's the thing. I thought, 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:20.679 you know this guy? I do. There's a guy Sam, Yeah, 1:53:20.760 --> 1:53:23.200 is that right? B h A supporter, darn good gay 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:27.120 he sent me. I think it's like this the surfing 1:53:27.200 --> 1:53:33.160 dude layered Hamilton's. Is that a correct? Okay? I like 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:38.040 Mike Keely myself. Keely doesn't make the product I'm talking about. 1:53:39.120 --> 1:53:41.760 He's got like all these coffee anyway. He sent me 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:44.320 this coffee and I haven't tried to x. I'm saving 1:53:44.360 --> 1:53:47.040 it for a backcounch trip. It's coffee and creamer mixed 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:53.400 super food original and sure, I don't know there's like 1:53:53.439 --> 1:53:56.920 a sweet one original one. It's like instant coffee and 1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:59.080 it's the creamer is supposed to be made of. It 1:53:59.120 --> 1:54:01.800 is funny because he wrote letters saying I don't know 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:05.600 that you're in me, Like he's saying I don't know 1:54:05.840 --> 1:54:12.320 you meaning me. Um, if you're into super food. But 1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:17.120 maybe Janice is like he has personality more pact is 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:19.160 one likely to be in the superfood. But I amn't 1:54:19.160 --> 1:54:21.400 a super food cause I think squirrel is super food. 1:54:21.479 --> 1:54:23.200 There's a lot of things that. Yeah, there's a lot 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:24.680 I think that I have because you just get the 1:54:24.760 --> 1:54:27.280 name ship, you think it's super food, right, I think 1:54:27.320 --> 1:54:30.760 squirrel is a superfood. Um, I'm into superfood like it. 1:54:30.960 --> 1:54:33.680 But I'm looking forward to trying that. But I wanted 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:37.200 to give our here's our basic here's our basic bad 1:54:37.240 --> 1:54:40.959 country meal plan. Hold on the corner, put the coffee. 1:54:42.640 --> 1:54:44.720 I'm not doing the coffee. So I switched over it 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:49.080 to going back to old old school, just just getting 1:54:49.520 --> 1:54:56.160 the unfortunately like little glass jar of whatever instant. Yeah, 1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:58.360 we just we just drank that for eight days, you know, 1:54:58.560 --> 1:55:00.640 because I like, no, I didn't I in my trash 1:55:01.040 --> 1:55:03.120 via the whole time. Other people that we were with 1:55:03.240 --> 1:55:09.280 had to drink it. Tasters choice, no cafe tasters choice. Yeah, 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:12.000 the one that, uh, I think it has the Mexican 1:55:12.040 --> 1:55:16.760 flag on there. Well, I was just thinking to myself, 1:55:16.880 --> 1:55:19.520 you know what, it would have been a great product 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:22.120 for the back country, but I don't. I'm trying to 1:55:22.280 --> 1:55:24.800 buy it right now on Google and I don't know 1:55:24.880 --> 1:55:30.360 if it's available. But General Foods International Coffee remember those 1:55:30.440 --> 1:55:33.920 They were like a rectangular box with the red lid, 1:55:34.160 --> 1:55:37.880 kind of sea and it had everything that you needed 1:55:37.920 --> 1:55:41.400 in their creamer, sugar, caffeine. But I don't I'm not 1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:43.400 seeing it right now on the internet. Might have gone 1:55:43.400 --> 1:55:45.440 on a business, it might not be around. I'm looking 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:47.200 forward to that stuff that dude Sam sent me. I 1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:50.240 need to write him a thank you, know. Um So 1:55:50.520 --> 1:55:52.520 let me give my our meal plan. All right, you 1:55:52.840 --> 1:55:54.560 guys can complexify this all you want. What are you 1:55:54.560 --> 1:55:58.400 gonna start with breakfast? Let's started with coffee. I'm just 1:55:58.440 --> 1:56:01.640 not going as quick as I wanted to a Starbucks 1:56:01.760 --> 1:56:06.120 via then, whether you do or do not use cream, 1:56:06.320 --> 1:56:09.640 We'll usually take a little container. Some guys put in 1:56:09.840 --> 1:56:11.240 some of our w P. A is put it into 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:13.440 ziplock bag, which drives me crazy. It's better to have 1:56:13.560 --> 1:56:15.120 like a little container. You get a ari I in 1:56:15.160 --> 1:56:20.040 a little container section full of cream. Yea oatmeal two 1:56:20.280 --> 1:56:26.040 envelopes per person, instant oatmeal packages. You eat the oatmeal 1:56:26.200 --> 1:56:33.320 out of the bag, just like what what what? I'm 1:56:33.360 --> 1:56:36.120 gonna have to interject because I said, you can complexify 1:56:36.280 --> 1:56:38.240 all you want to trying to help people out. Go 1:56:38.280 --> 1:56:40.640 ahead what I know, but we've like it's it's not. 1:56:41.160 --> 1:56:43.600 I don't think you're being honest by saying that that 1:56:43.880 --> 1:56:47.960 is like our go to anymore, because you might eat 1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:53.280 two of those packets per trip, Like we just like 1:56:53.360 --> 1:56:56.200 those things. He was asking about our like a dull 1:56:56.480 --> 1:57:00.640 sheep hunt. What might one plan on bringing? Okay, but 1:57:01.360 --> 1:57:04.160 that was one thing. You know what? Sorry, your answer, 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:07.000 your question cannot be answered. No, it can be answered. 1:57:07.680 --> 1:57:10.440 I'm just saying, are you gonna add more breakfast items? 1:57:10.440 --> 1:57:17.920 Because that's like, it's not because I like the I 1:57:18.080 --> 1:57:25.480 like those vinegare have there's choice breakfast. Ye, those are good. 1:57:25.680 --> 1:57:28.560 That's not oatmeal. No, but it's like a quick little thing. 1:57:28.920 --> 1:57:31.640 I tell you what I don't like. It's as much 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:34.360 as I love house, I don't like houses. I don't 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:37.400 like houses. Breakfast skill it. We ate quite a few 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:42.680 of those on that trip though. Um, okay, so bagels 1:57:42.680 --> 1:57:46.640 and cream cheese, I like that. But I'm trying to 1:57:46.720 --> 1:57:49.680 talk about like a real anybody can figure out how 1:57:49.680 --> 1:57:51.360 to feed themselves. I'm trying to talk about, like if 1:57:51.440 --> 1:57:58.280 you really like like a Backpacking Applausible backpacking menu. Mm hmm, 1:58:00.280 --> 1:58:02.120 let me do this. I'm gonna talk about time. Be honest. 1:58:02.200 --> 1:58:10.160 Wasn't there instant coffee, instant oatmeal? Then for lunch, you 1:58:10.320 --> 1:58:14.960 have flatbread with sliced meat and cheese, and you have 1:58:15.080 --> 1:58:20.720 a container of mayo or mustard or both. M hm uh. 1:58:21.240 --> 1:58:23.040 My brother likes to have an onion that he adds 1:58:23.080 --> 1:58:27.200 into it. And you make a little thing where you 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:30.480 get like two flatbreads and a bunch of meat and cheese. 1:58:30.480 --> 1:58:34.120 We used to use carl budding lunch meat because it 1:58:34.280 --> 1:58:38.760 can't rot. Like it can't rot. I don't know how. 1:58:39.160 --> 1:58:41.120 You'd have it for months in the back of your 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:44.879 truck and it's just fresh. It's just as fresh somehow, 1:58:45.320 --> 1:58:47.440 as fresh as the day you bought it. So we 1:58:47.560 --> 1:58:49.440 used to like that stuff. Or you can bring donk 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:53.760 like summer sausage whatever, like a meat and a cheese 1:58:53.800 --> 1:58:55.480 that you put on a flatbread and you put mayo 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:58.440 or mustard. That's your lunch. You're good luck with all 1:58:58.560 --> 1:59:02.080 kinds of cured meats lately, because they have some of 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:05.440 the same properties as the Carlo. Is it budding your 1:59:05.480 --> 1:59:08.640 budding Carl? We always call it carl. We didn't even 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:11.960 use the second word, like, hey, you go, I'll get 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:13.640 the instant call, you go the grocer start, I'll get 1:59:13.640 --> 1:59:15.680 the instant coffee, you get a bunch of carl, I'll 1:59:15.720 --> 1:59:18.280 eat you check out and everybody know who that meant? 1:59:20.000 --> 1:59:26.200 Uh yeah, uh dinner house. And then all throughout the 1:59:26.280 --> 1:59:30.560 day you're eating tons of bars, and you're getting really 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:33.280 jealous of the guy at night who has some pringles 1:59:35.160 --> 1:59:39.280 or corn chips. And then it's great to have candy 1:59:39.320 --> 1:59:42.000 bars and bars and you eat those all throughout the 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:46.960 day and then uh some dicaffey to tease usually big 1:59:47.040 --> 1:59:49.720 hit that night. The follow up question is what kind 1:59:49.720 --> 1:59:52.360 of bars do you guys like? The answer is all 1:59:52.600 --> 1:59:54.840 and none, all of them and none of them. Just 1:59:54.960 --> 1:59:58.120 get yourself a variety, because no matter what your favorite is, 1:59:58.240 --> 2:00:01.680 if it's freaking chocolate cocon today, in two days, chocolate 2:00:01.720 --> 2:00:05.200 coconut will not be your favorite anymore. Yeah. Uh some 2:00:05.440 --> 2:00:09.480 favorites pro Bar nothing with fruit. I don't like any 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:13.840 fruity pro bar. I'm a fruit lover. Uh we like 2:00:14.320 --> 2:00:18.560 pro Bar. We like pack of runs yea from from 2:00:18.600 --> 2:00:23.360 the Heather's Choice. I haven't heard of Those are good 2:00:23.560 --> 2:00:25.840 we just got a little box of those. Uh my 2:00:26.040 --> 2:00:30.520 nostalgia one is the like the sweet and salties. Yeah, 2:00:30.840 --> 2:00:35.800 doing nothing for you can bar. It's like a hybry 2:00:35.840 --> 2:00:37.920 between a candy bar and all the bar makes you 2:00:38.000 --> 2:00:41.440 feel better. Though. We eat those ones that are all 2:00:41.560 --> 2:00:43.680 like it's just like hell food. It's like it'll say 2:00:43.720 --> 2:00:49.240 in the package, like four dates, three eggs. We eat 2:00:49.400 --> 2:00:53.920 a lot of kind. I'm a big kind bar guy. Snickers. 2:00:55.160 --> 2:00:58.760 People always buying Snickers for our Snickers with almonds. I 2:00:59.040 --> 2:01:00.560 ate a bunch on my last strip. That was a 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:03.400 lot of Snickers. The only time I think I ever 2:01:03.480 --> 2:01:05.840 eat a Snickers is when I'm around Joanna's. He's like, 2:01:06.920 --> 2:01:10.320 we always it's always in our loop. There's always Snickers 2:01:10.360 --> 2:01:12.960 in our loop. Starbursts when we were turkey hunting. Yeah, 2:01:13.280 --> 2:01:16.960 that's what anything like that gets eating up. If you 2:01:17.040 --> 2:01:21.520 were smart, if you were smart, you'd shop. No, we 2:01:21.600 --> 2:01:23.960 talked about this. You might not be smart to do that. Um, 2:01:24.480 --> 2:01:27.200 I say, if you're smart, you'd come out of the mountains, 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:29.520 not eat anything, and then grow to a grocery store 2:01:30.000 --> 2:01:33.400 and buy all your stuff for your next trip. Yeah, 2:01:33.600 --> 2:01:36.680 but then your next trip would be like springles, corn chips, 2:01:36.720 --> 2:01:40.600 hot dogs, pizza, rotisserie chicken would be like all the 2:01:40.640 --> 2:01:43.200 stuff where you're like just like totally calorie starved. You'd 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:44.800 like go into a store and be like, I was like, oh, 2:01:44.920 --> 2:01:51.320 this uh miso soup, instant miso soup for cold weather hunts, ma'am. 2:01:51.760 --> 2:01:56.360 It's really salty. It's just a nice treat and it 2:01:56.520 --> 2:02:01.200 recharges all that loss sodium like mid mid day when 2:02:01.240 --> 2:02:05.040 I fire up the jet boil when it's weather like this. Man, 2:02:05.840 --> 2:02:08.320 I've done the same thing with chicken and beef. Stock 2:02:08.440 --> 2:02:11.440 cubes has a little bully on cues. That's good. I 2:02:11.520 --> 2:02:19.640 like pickle juicey hot, but I brought some turkey any 2:02:19.920 --> 2:02:24.480 in my water bowl? Fool? Is it cut with a 2:02:24.560 --> 2:02:29.840 bunch of water? Is it all pickle juice? Just pickled juice? 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:31.560 You have to you can buy it, But I had 2:02:31.600 --> 2:02:33.640 pickles at home, so I just poured the juice and 2:02:33.720 --> 2:02:35.520 a I had like a small water bottle and I 2:02:35.600 --> 2:02:37.920 just brought that with me because I like gatorade and 2:02:38.240 --> 2:02:42.560 I had gatorade powder. In that last question, we all 2:02:42.600 --> 2:02:45.760 know what the answer is for Maggie. Everybody gets to 2:02:45.760 --> 2:02:47.880 do it, and it's gonna be a rap even Phil, 2:02:48.360 --> 2:02:50.320 We're even gonna let you do it. Hey, thanks man. 2:02:52.360 --> 2:02:56.400 What animal gets your blood pumping the most and why 2:02:56.600 --> 2:03:01.480 we know it? For mag it's obviously turkeys. One specifically, 2:03:01.600 --> 2:03:05.200 Maggie gets around turkey, she loses her ability to shoot. 2:03:07.800 --> 2:03:09.680 There's a lot of things going on in my head. 2:03:11.480 --> 2:03:14.800 We're like, never shoo him in full strut unless side 2:03:14.880 --> 2:03:22.760 he's in full strut. Did say, yeah, like, forget that, man, 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:26.320 he has a full strut. Go listen to me all 2:03:26.440 --> 2:03:29.600 the time except for this. But then you gotta know 2:03:29.760 --> 2:03:32.840 when not to listen to me. I wish I had 2:03:32.920 --> 2:03:35.360 like a little Steve like still like Pill would have 2:03:35.360 --> 2:03:36.760 been there with the sound board and it could have 2:03:36.800 --> 2:03:39.480 been you go and shoot my head. I would have 2:03:39.520 --> 2:03:45.160 been flipping out. So Mag, you'll let you answer. I 2:03:45.200 --> 2:03:47.360 don't mean answer for you. I'll go first. What animals 2:03:47.400 --> 2:03:57.000 my blood pumping the most? And why? Um? Uh? Wild turkeys, 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:03.360 mule deer and uh. It's just so much fun to 2:04:03.440 --> 2:04:05.880 hunt squirrels. It's like fun to go out your friends 2:04:05.920 --> 2:04:09.000 and hunt squirrels, wild turkeys and mule deer and squirrels 2:04:09.000 --> 2:04:10.840 just because it's something like it's not the squirrels so 2:04:10.960 --> 2:04:13.560 much as it's like the it just is always so enjoyable. 2:04:14.800 --> 2:04:17.200 Oh yeah, all the pressures of a big game hunt, 2:04:17.240 --> 2:04:19.840 aren't there. You just having just laughing and having fun, 2:04:21.040 --> 2:04:23.080 just fun. Walk around the woods your bodies looking for 2:04:23.160 --> 2:04:26.000 squirrels gets my blood bumping. But like big mule to 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:31.040 your box get my blood up pumping. Yeah man, yeah, 2:04:31.080 --> 2:04:34.720 I mean I the quest for a big meal to 2:04:34.760 --> 2:04:37.320 your buck is still one I am on. And I 2:04:37.400 --> 2:04:39.839 mean this bad spot where I feel like I've blown 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:46.040 like three chances of a lifetime at just a monster buck, 2:04:46.320 --> 2:04:50.160 I've only I've almost gotten too many of them. Yeah. Man, 2:04:50.320 --> 2:04:53.760 but you're Steve Ronnella. I mean think all the resources 2:04:53.840 --> 2:04:59.680 you have it your those big fat fingertips here, I'm 2:04:59.720 --> 2:05:06.520 just average Joe. Uh yeah, that's I've lost my cool 2:05:06.760 --> 2:05:15.440 on those damn things like embarrassingly twice um and so 2:05:15.600 --> 2:05:17.680 yeah man that that's still still at the top of 2:05:17.720 --> 2:05:20.280 the list. I feel like for a long time I've 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:27.680 come partmentalized. Elk into you go in the freezer like 2:05:27.760 --> 2:05:30.680 I'm just I'm just shuffling you into the freezer. No 2:05:30.840 --> 2:05:34.640 time to get too excited, Like, let's just get on 2:05:34.800 --> 2:05:38.040 with the process. Mule, do you her for looking for 2:05:38.120 --> 2:05:45.880 big ones. Yeah, says that. Yeah, I like I like Phil. Hey, 2:05:46.760 --> 2:05:50.880 it's kind of a different answer. It's whichever whichever of 2:05:50.960 --> 2:05:53.560 the deer that jump out in front of my car 2:05:54.600 --> 2:05:57.680 when I'm taking the beater whirl roads into town during 2:05:57.720 --> 2:05:59.920 the winter. Those are the ones that get my blood bump. 2:06:00.640 --> 2:06:05.200 I hear you for separate reasons than you guys, But 2:06:05.440 --> 2:06:10.240 I like Phil Man. He's got a smart answer. Yea, yeah, 2:06:11.040 --> 2:06:13.880 I think he's getting wiser because the can we jump 2:06:13.960 --> 2:06:16.480 over and talk about Phil's mustache real quick? I mean, 2:06:16.560 --> 2:06:22.560 the growth is the luxuriant. I like it luxuriant, but 2:06:22.680 --> 2:06:28.480 you do need to die. You like fulfill the curtains, 2:06:28.520 --> 2:06:32.920 don't manage the drapes. Yes, about his face of my face, 2:06:34.920 --> 2:06:39.240 the drapes of my face. Thank you for that clarification. Um, yeah, 2:06:39.280 --> 2:06:41.680 we've talked about just for men. Touch of gray is 2:06:41.720 --> 2:06:48.520 what lacata just to look distinguished. But yeah, it's for 2:06:48.600 --> 2:06:51.360 my Halloween costume tomorrow. I hope you guys will be 2:06:51.480 --> 2:06:55.960 here in the office. I can't wait. I can't wait much. 2:06:56.400 --> 2:06:59.320 He spends with the headphones on. I want like a 2:06:59.440 --> 2:07:03.080 real news cast or type of haircut to go with that. Mustache. 2:07:03.320 --> 2:07:06.000 It would be great, like it's like a side part, Yes, 2:07:06.120 --> 2:07:10.320 kind of. No one's ever used that word on this 2:07:10.440 --> 2:07:14.400 podcast the first time, making history, first time. You're welcome 2:07:16.160 --> 2:07:20.280 many times, yes, I'm sure many times. Quaff never crooner, 2:07:20.640 --> 2:07:26.040 cro like a like a like a pompa door. You 2:07:26.080 --> 2:07:28.400 know you've got a little bit of a lift, a 2:07:28.520 --> 2:07:31.120 curl and a lift. Just say more of that at tim, 2:07:32.680 --> 2:07:38.000 more of that already ruined. It can't. Let's go to 2:07:38.120 --> 2:07:43.520 Bill outside. Let's go to Bill outside, Bill guys good 2:07:43.560 --> 2:07:47.520 Man in the morning announcements. In my high school experience, 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:54.600 it's still turkeys, same as the last three times I 2:07:54.640 --> 2:08:01.680 answered that question. That's change. No, you want me to 2:08:01.960 --> 2:08:04.320 expect No more is there to say the same as 2:08:04.360 --> 2:08:08.520 Meggy man gets your blood pumping, But you sure weren't 2:08:09.320 --> 2:08:12.800 helping her get that turkey? Yeah he did. I was 2:08:12.840 --> 2:08:17.720 flustered too. A lot going on there, Maggie. What animal 2:08:17.800 --> 2:08:20.640 gets your blood most pumping? Well, I have to say turkey. 2:08:20.640 --> 2:08:25.360 You know about getting the turkey's up close, don't you. No, No, 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:33.440 my blood runs cold because that same episode. Uh. The 2:08:33.560 --> 2:08:36.520 only other thing is I had a cockroach crawl at 2:08:36.560 --> 2:08:42.480 me one time while I sleeping right here. That yeah, 2:08:42.880 --> 2:08:45.960 at the base of your all that. But we're living 2:08:46.000 --> 2:08:48.760 in Puerto Rico and was like right here, and I screamed, 2:08:49.160 --> 2:08:53.600 just yeah, I think that's what they mean. Oh wait, 2:08:53.720 --> 2:08:59.280 got my blood pumping. But most turks. Sure, it's the 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:03.160 only thing I've gone after. So we'll see question change 2:09:03.240 --> 2:09:08.040 that in the next couple of weeks months. Dude, maybe 2:09:08.040 --> 2:09:11.360 you gotta do a deer hunt man. All right, I 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:14.280 got my tag. I went and bought that. Joe told 2:09:14.320 --> 2:09:17.040 me to do that. Good. Yes, I'm gonna go buy 2:09:17.120 --> 2:09:20.600 my duck stamp right now. Well, since we're done eating 2:09:20.600 --> 2:09:24.440 cookies for your birthday's birthday, I'm gonna go get my 2:09:24.600 --> 2:09:30.560 duck stamp. Duck stamp, Old Old Mags, Old Marg. You 2:09:30.640 --> 2:09:35.240 haven't even you haven't even hit thirty yet. I got 2:09:35.320 --> 2:09:37.880 one more year of that. Some people find their peak 2:09:37.880 --> 2:09:42.000 at different ages, do you it's old Mag's old. I'm 2:09:42.040 --> 2:09:47.480 looking forward to hitting my peak yet to come. I'm 2:09:47.520 --> 2:09:50.000 gonna stay optimistic. Okay, guys, thanks a lot. I hope 2:09:50.040 --> 2:09:53.480 these questions are helpful to people. And the biggest thing 2:09:53.600 --> 2:09:56.920 I got to say is this season eight of Meat Eater, 2:09:57.480 --> 2:10:01.120 available now on net looks go there and stream the 2:10:01.160 --> 2:10:05.400 whole damn thing, uh and then and then leave it on, 2:10:05.720 --> 2:10:09.520 so it just appears like you can't stop watching. Thank you,