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Speaker 4: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Emily, I'm good, cold but good.

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Speaker 5: So we've got the world on the custom of World

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Speaker 5: War three, and we've got big news out of all three.

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Speaker 4: Branches of the federal government today.

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Speaker 5: I also did an pre interview yesterday with giamm Long,

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Speaker 5: former Foreign Minister of Ecuador, that we'll play either later

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Speaker 5: today or later this week. But we're not going to

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Speaker 5: be able to talk at length about the Supreme Court today,

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Speaker 5: which is hearing a case that could upend basically everything,

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Speaker 5: So tell us a little bit about that before we

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Speaker 5: get into the rest.

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Speaker 6: So Chevron deference is essentially what's on the table at

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court oral arguments.

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Speaker 5: I mean, basically the ability of the administrative state to

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, So the Supreme Court decided a long time

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Speaker 6: ago that deference if there is no clear direction from Congress,

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Speaker 6: then the federal agency. The federal agencies have deference to

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Speaker 6: essentially make their rules for how things run. So what's

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Speaker 6: on the table, for example, in this case is some

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Speaker 6: herring fishermen off in New Jersey. There are federal mandates

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Speaker 6: that say you have to pay for federal observers, and

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Speaker 6: they're challenging that because it's just a I think it's

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Speaker 6: an EPA either way, it's one of the Cabinet agencies rules.

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Speaker 6: They don't want to have to pay for the federal observers.

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Speaker 6: So that's what's getting tangled up. There's something called major

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Speaker 6: questions doctrine, which I know you know about. Yeah also

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Speaker 6: says that in yeah so, but this is not a

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Speaker 6: major question, is the And that's why it's made its

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Speaker 6: way to the Supreme Court. This is something that the

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Speaker 6: federal society has been like salivating over, maybe literally for

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Speaker 6: a very long time.

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Speaker 3: I hope Chevron tefference falls.

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Speaker 6: I know, right, and I disagree on that, but it

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Speaker 6: does basically undo everything I will say. I've talked to

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Speaker 6: who actually don't think that if this is overturned, which

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Speaker 6: will be overturned.

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Speaker 3: We'll see more in the oral arguments to day.

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Speaker 6: I've talked to lawyers though, who say, basically, it's not

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Speaker 6: Chevron's overturned, because now there are so many different, you know,

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Speaker 6: other machinations and things that are baked into the cake.

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Speaker 5: Essentially, I would just say, be careful what you wish for,

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Speaker 5: because the administrative state is what stitches together all of

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Speaker 5: the laws, and if you get if you get rid

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Speaker 5: of those laws, you know who would love that, plaintiffs.

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Speaker 3: Lawyers, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 5: Then they are completely unshackled and they can do the

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Speaker 6: And monopolistic corporations. I mean, it's yeah, it definitely. There's

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Speaker 6: a lot on the table in the oral arguments today,

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Speaker 6: so we'll be covering those in the future for sure.

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Speaker 6: The decision, of course, will come down in June.

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Speaker 4: Very end of the show.

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Speaker 5: We're going to have Sam Goodaldig, a Republican lobbyist, and

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Speaker 5: Mike Williams, a Democratic lobbyist, with kind of what I

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Speaker 5: think is going to be a fascinating conversation.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to stick around for that.

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Speaker 5: I've got an interesting story that I'll talk about later

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Speaker 5: in the show that Ukraine. The Ukrainian military is now

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Speaker 5: using iba gain, an extremely powerful hallucinogen, in microdoses to

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Speaker 5: treat both dramatic brain injury and also for battle readiness.

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Speaker 4: This is new reporting I've got over in the intercept.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of Ukrainians on iba gain versus Russians on

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Speaker 4: So that's where we are at this point with that.

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Speaker 3: One can't wait for that segment.

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Speaker 6: That's really interesting reporting, Ryan, we are talking about the

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Speaker 6: Republican primary, a horrible dispute happening at the southern border

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Speaker 6: with the Texas government, the federal government. We're going to

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Speaker 6: talk about updates from Israel. Let's start though, with the Houthies, so.

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Speaker 5: in this segment. There's this thinking among kind of American

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Speaker 6: Well, and you said something interesting there, which is a

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Speaker 4: Because this is not the it's not Gaza level bombing, no.

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Speaker 6: And so yeah, exactly, So it's this again, it's a

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Speaker 5: Right, because a full scale like invasion of Yemen and

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Speaker 3: No, nobody's even talking about it.

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Speaker 5: And so if all the Huthis need is the access

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Speaker 5: bombing is going to stop that. In fact, it's absurd,

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Speaker 5: Like the more we can put up a three real quickly,

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Speaker 5: suspending red sea shipments amid a war, like so we

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Speaker 6: The journal notes around twelve percent of total global seaborne

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Speaker 5: Right right, So then that is eventually going to drive

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Speaker 5: They then subsequently said that they didn't need congressional authorization

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Speaker 5: not of the United States. And you also can't I've

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Speaker 5: heard you say, well they attacked one of the ships.

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Speaker 5: Well you're not allowed to introduce a ship into hostilities

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Speaker 5: well now we have to defend ourselves. Like, that's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: So the first thing is the Houthis have been very

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Speaker 4: They seem encouraged by that.

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Speaker 4: Sailor he even he even responded.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, like all of that is just incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 4: He's objectively hot though, right, I mean he's hot. This

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's good like he's he's a good looking

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Speaker 5: to now. Newsweek called him Newsweek. The Newsweek headline was hot, hoothy.

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Speaker 5: Pirate becomes online sensations, God, you're beautiful. I object to

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Speaker 5: the pirate part because they are a de facto government

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Speaker 5: carrying out a government policy. Whether you like the government

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Speaker 5: policy or not or support it, don't support it. It's

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Speaker 5: not piracy, like they're not not grabbing ships and like

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Speaker 3: It's not extra governmental.

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Speaker 5: Other than the fact that they are not the recognized

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Speaker 6: It's actually I haven't ever had to parse the definition

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Speaker 6: of pirate quite like this. Genuinely an interesting question, genuine interesting,

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Speaker 6: but this is incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about that, Give me a call, call me,

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Speaker 4: Outrageous that people are objectifying you, call me.

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Speaker 5: So the United States, we can put up this next element.

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Speaker 4: Have been different.

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Speaker 5: Finally, and then gets your response to this, the fact

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Speaker 4: Amount of harm to be many civilians.

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Speaker 5: But the Hoothies have said that the attacks will stop

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Speaker 6: They should pressure and actually, I know we've talked before

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Speaker 3: Where all the hostages are the HOO.

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Speaker 4: Which there is news on that this morning. I don't

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Speaker 5: The Cutter is very close to brokering another deal between

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Speaker 4: Like that's kind of one of the Macaver deals that

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Speaker 5: Part of this latter deal toward a bigger kind of

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Speaker 4: Two. I don't want I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 6: Well, this is a good transition actually into something you've

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Speaker 4: Set this up right.

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Speaker 5: So this is Senator Bernie Sanders talking to Jake Tapper

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Speaker 7: The spokesman for the National Security Council, John Kirby, responded

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Speaker 4: Unquote, what do you say to that? I strongly disagree, Jake.

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Speaker 8: We've got, as Americans, take a very deep breath. What

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Speaker 8: housing units in Godza that have been destroyed. Jake, if

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Speaker 8: I use the word Dresden, Germany to you, you think

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Speaker 4: This is a catastrophe.

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Speaker 8: And now, according to the United Nations, after you have

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Speaker 8: my view has been from the beginning, Israel has a

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Speaker 6: So Ryan, that was to your point before Congress actually

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Speaker 3: Actually right?

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Speaker 6: And actually I wasn't surprised specifically because when we had

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Speaker 5: That he was pretty critical and willing to be thinking

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Speaker 6: Right, and he's I feel like he's He's generally one

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Speaker 6: So not entirely surprising, although given how intense the sort

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Speaker 3: It's impressive always.

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Speaker 5: So there were about eleven people who vote whose consciencence

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Speaker 4: Like if you're a State Department official, you know you.

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Speaker 5: of both Murphy and Van Holland, and so to have

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Speaker 5: Van Holland vote for that is will be noticed.

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Speaker 4: In Foggy Bottom.

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Speaker 5: Van Holland and Murkley both just were at the RAFA

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Speaker 5: border crossing in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Van Holland came back.

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Speaker 5: Van Hollen Murkley both came back and sensed at what

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Speaker 5: they had seen there and said that Israel is deliberately

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Speaker 5: withholding humanitarian aid and sparking the UNS describing as famine conditions.

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Speaker 3: So the vote was seventy two to eleven, and Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 4: Was everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say.

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Speaker 4: Republic was not there because there there was Democrats who

453
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Speaker 4: missed it.

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Speaker 3: I can look, but it's an interesting question.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of Republicans had missed another, I had missed

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Speaker 4: a couple other votes.

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Speaker 6: This happened at eight pm last night, so on a

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Speaker 6: Tuesday night, and so seventy two to eleven, it's pretty

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Speaker 6: resounding no. And again, the element we just tied up

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Speaker 6: on the screen was a tweet, and the way that

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Speaker 6: it was put there is the Senator just voted seventy

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Speaker 6: to eleven to kill Senator Sanders resolution to have the

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Speaker 6: State Department report Israel's human rights abuses against Postinians and Ryan. Though,

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Speaker 6: what you're saying is that it's a little different even

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Speaker 6: than that, it's a little softer even than that, it's

466
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Speaker 6: not so much report Israel's human rights abuses. It's report

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Speaker 6: on potential investigating.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, are they doing anything wrong? Kirby's response is interesting.

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Speaker 5: He's saying, we don't need to do this because Israel

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Speaker 5: has assured us that at some point in the near

471
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Speaker 5: future it's going to.

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Speaker 4: Slow down its attack.

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Speaker 5: The only but back in Israel, the politicians are saying

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Speaker 5: the opposite, like they're saying that this isn't stopping.

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Speaker 4: Right, and the only reason it would stop is if.

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Speaker 5: The United States kind of used its leverage to pressure

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Speaker 5: it to stop. And I think that in the long run,

478
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Speaker 5: this is not going to be beneficial to Israel either,

479
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Speaker 5: and it's friends and allies who kind of enabled it

480
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Speaker 5: in this moment are not doing Israel a favor.

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Speaker 3: Now, tell us about this Haretz report.

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Speaker 6: We can put this up on the screen where this

483
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Speaker 6: is the first paragraph of the report. The Jewish Culture

484
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Speaker 6: Department of the Ministry of Education has walked back it's

485
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Speaker 6: agreement to help fund an annual Shavut event that took

486
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Speaker 6: place in twenty twenty three organized by the Midge you know,

487
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Speaker 6: Regional Council, due to Israeli Arab broadcast journalist Lucy Arisha's

488
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Speaker 6: participation as the event's host. I am in shock, she

489
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Speaker 6: told her. It's so hurtful to me, especially at the

490
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Speaker 6: time we find ourselves in right now after October seventh.

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Speaker 6: There's no other word for it except racism. In selling

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Speaker 6: my good name, what's going on here.

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Speaker 5: Ran, there is a a racist block that has significant

494
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Speaker 5: power inside the Israeli government at this point. Is like

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Speaker 5: when we say that this is the most far right

496
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Speaker 5: Israeli government in Israeli history, it's not hyperbole like that.

497
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Speaker 5: The Israeli government itself would say that that is that

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Speaker 5: is the case, And there there is a there is.

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Speaker 4: A faction within that, within that coalition that.

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Speaker 5: Believes things that here in the United States are just

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Speaker 5: abhorrent and repellent, such as you a woman who represents

502
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Speaker 5: mixed marriage cannot represent Jewish.

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Speaker 4: Culture according to this element of the ministry.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And it's you know, as the spotlight shines on some

506
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Speaker 5: of these some of these practices because the world is

507
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Speaker 5: now paying so much close attention, the claim that Israel

508
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Speaker 5: often uses in its defense that it is the only

509
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Speaker 5: it is this beacon of democracy, it's the only democracy

510
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Speaker 5: in the Middle East, you know, begins to fall apart, because, well,

511
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Speaker 5: if you're the only democracy in the Middle East, what

512
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Speaker 5: is this like this this we do not associate this

513
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Speaker 5: type of state action with democracy.

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Speaker 3: And they're saying okay.

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Speaker 6: Regarding the event, appears that there was a failure in

516
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Speaker 6: communication between the director and the supervisor, going full bureaucracy

517
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Speaker 6: because the publication went to the group without receiving the

518
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Speaker 6: approval of the supervisor. According to the procedures, the activity

519
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Speaker 6: can't be approved. So we'll see how that unfolds.

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Speaker 4: Going Hopefully the attention gets them to backtrack on this.

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Speaker 6: But to your point, I mean, it is actually a

522
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Speaker 6: really interesting question. Post October seventh, when attentions are as

523
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Speaker 6: high as they are in Israel. Are they able to

524
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Speaker 6: withstand the intense pressures and suspicions and yes, racism that

525
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Speaker 6: exists and proceed in sort of seemingly democratic banal machinations

526
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Speaker 6: like hosting a speaker at a government event. I mean,

527
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Speaker 6: this is a very interesting sort of flare up I

528
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Speaker 6: think culturally.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And we also wanted to play this clip from

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Speaker 5: the European Parliament from an Irish member of Parliament yesterday

531
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Speaker 5: who you know, she's a controversial figure within the European

532
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Speaker 5: Parliament and I think but this clip of her denouncing

533
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Speaker 5: both Biden and Israel has gone wildly viral.

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Speaker 9: Despite the catastrophic debt toll it has inflicted, Israel is

535
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Speaker 9: losing on the ground and in the court of public opinion.

536
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Speaker 9: There's no way that this ends that doesn't leave Israel

537
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Speaker 9: a pariah state with occupation and a paratheid on borrowed.

538
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Speaker 9: And they know it. So they're doing everything they can,

539
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Speaker 9: desperate acts of aggression to provoke a wider conflict with Lebanon,

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Speaker 9: with Iran, with anybody to draw in the US to

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Speaker 9: save them from the consequences of their own actions. And

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Speaker 9: as Yemen shows, Butcher Biden is reporting for duty with

543
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Speaker 9: Europe throut genocide by his side. They are the ones

544
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Speaker 9: who have enabled the continuation of Israeli terror. Without them,

545
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Speaker 9: it would already be over. So take notes, Butcher Biden,

546
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Speaker 9: the ancestors of the Ireland that you claim to be from,

547
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Speaker 9: disown you. Keep our country out of your mouth and

548
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Speaker 9: ask for vonderlyon and genocidal Germany with your words, indeed

549
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Speaker 9: supporting Israel in the ICJ, not.

550
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Speaker 3: In our name.

551
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Speaker 9: The people of Europe stand with Palestine and with South Africa.

552
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Speaker 6: Particularly harsh words for Biden Ryan given that when Biden

553
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Speaker 6: visited the Middle East as president, he specifically said that

554
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Speaker 6: he can empathize with the plight of the Palestinians because

555
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Speaker 6: he is Irish.

556
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Speaker 4: He's very proud of his Irish heritage. When he was right.

557
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Speaker 5: After he was won the election, a BBC reporter shouted

558
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Speaker 5: out to him, you know, he was President Biden, BBC,

559
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Speaker 5: BBC and he turned around.

560
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Speaker 4: He's like, BBC, I'm Irish, what are you.

561
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Speaker 5: I'm not talking to BBC. And he was steeped in

562
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Speaker 5: this tradition he wants. In a speech, said that he

563
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Speaker 5: was told that one of his ancestors was in the

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Speaker 5: Molly mcguires, which is like this kind of mining, kind

565
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Speaker 5: of terror group. And he said later they turned out

566
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Speaker 5: heard they heard that that was not true, and he

567
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Speaker 5: said they were all disappointed because they wished, they wished

568
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Speaker 5: it was true, because Molly McGuire's are total folk heroes

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Speaker 5: among kind of Irish Catholics in in uh in Pennsylvania

570
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Speaker 5: and in that in that region where he's where he's from.

571
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Speaker 5: So yeah, to have to have him called butcher bide,

572
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Speaker 5: which is a very Irish kind of phrasing and denounced

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Speaker 5: by denouncing those strong terms, you know, probably lands, even

574
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Speaker 5: if it's not from the very top of the Irish government.

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Speaker 3: Going after Germany too there also quite nerro.

576
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Speaker 4: Doesn't spare anybody in general.

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Speaker 6: No, the harsh words all around. All right, let's move

578
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Speaker 6: on to New Hampshire. Actually, Ryan, because the entire country

579
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Speaker 6: has moved.

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Speaker 3: On to New Hampshire.

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Speaker 6: I remember Nikki Haley when she was speaking on Tuesday

582
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Speaker 6: night or Monday night when I really caucuses where it's

583
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Speaker 6: all big blur in an election year, Monday night, she said,

584
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Speaker 6: I love you Iowa, but now we're going on to

585
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Speaker 6: New Hampshire.

586
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Speaker 3: It's just so typical.

587
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Speaker 4: Been fun I'll never be in this state again.

588
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Speaker 6: Yeah, like, don't make me do this, please, we can

589
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Speaker 6: go ahead and put the first element up on the screen.

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Speaker 6: This is a poll from the American Research Group that

591
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Speaker 6: was conducted between January twelfth and fifteenth, So January twelfth

592
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Speaker 6: and fifteenth, right before the caucuses, So Nicki Haley can

593
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Speaker 6: and third obviously in the caucuses. This is a New

594
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Speaker 6: Hampshire Republican primary voters. They have her tide with Donald

595
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Speaker 6: Trump at forty percent. So Haley forty percent, Trump forty percent,

596
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Speaker 6: Disantus all the way down at four percent. Notably, Viveke

597
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 6: Ramaswami is at four percent, so you can maybe expect

598
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Speaker 6: that Trump has a little bit of a boost over

599
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Speaker 6: that forty percent. Maybe it's not quite so tied now

600
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Speaker 6: that Viveke has dropped out of the race, and in

601
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Speaker 6: fact he is in New Hampshire, uh.

602
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Speaker 3: Stumping for Trump as well.

603
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Speaker 6: I think we maybe even have video of vivec in

604
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Speaker 6: New Hampshire that we can play because they're.

605
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Speaker 3: Sort of whispering in each other's ears really beautifully. Do

606
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Speaker 3: we have that? Guys?

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Speaker 10: Thank you?

608
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Speaker 11: Wow?

609
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Speaker 3: That's how is that pretty good?

610
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Speaker 12: Right?

611
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Speaker 2: I was pretty good?

612
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Speaker 10: And he's a fantastic guy, and he's really he's got

613
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Speaker 10: something that's very special because he started off with a

614
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Speaker 10: zippo and he's got he ended up very strong. He

615
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Speaker 10: did a great job. I was actually surprised when he

616
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Speaker 10: called up because he was doing well and it's an

617
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Speaker 10: honor to have his endorsepin. He's going to be working

618
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Speaker 10: with us and he'll be working with us for a

619
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Speaker 10: long time.

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Speaker 6: So aftergetting about seven point seven percent in Iowa, if

621
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Speaker 6: obviously dropped out indorse Donald Trump, he is now stumping

622
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Speaker 6: for Donald Trump. He was drawing some pretty big crowds

623
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Speaker 6: in Iowa, I think in part because whatever you think

624
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Speaker 6: of the guy, he's.

625
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Speaker 3: A compelling speaker, entertaining. He makes a very entertaining and

626
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Speaker 3: energetic case for Donald Trump. So maybe a little bit

627
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Speaker 3: of a weapon there.

628
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Speaker 6: But Nicki Haley is pretty close to Donald Trump. And

629
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Speaker 6: when I say pretty close, I mean relatively in the

630
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Speaker 6: RCP polling average, so that pole has them actually tied.

631
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Speaker 6: But in the RCP average going into the Iowa caucuses

632
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Speaker 6: in New Hampshire, Nikki Helelly was still down double digits

633
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Speaker 6: to Donald Trump, and so we're.

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Speaker 4: Still the tie. Pole is a big outlier it's a.

635
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Speaker 6: Big, big outlier, and if she was trying to get

636
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Speaker 6: a bump going into New Hampshire, she probably would have

637
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Speaker 6: had to do better than third place, Ryan, because the

638
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Speaker 6: third place surge isn't gonna do much for you. She

639
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Speaker 6: is at I think she's at like twenty nine in

640
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Speaker 6: the RCP average latest year.

641
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Speaker 5: I think that last one gave her a little bumps,

642
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Speaker 5: and now they have her at Trump forty four point

643
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Speaker 5: five percent, Haley thirty one point three percent.

644
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Speaker 6: Just still technically double digits down. Yeah, in the polling average.

645
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Speaker 6: So there's an outlierpole showing her there. The path even

646
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Speaker 6: if she wins New Hampshire is I mean, you really

647
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Speaker 6: have to squint to see the path for her, even

648
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Speaker 6: if she wins New Hampshire. She is leaning on this

649
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Speaker 6: next generation, new generation of leadership. When Dana Bash pressed

650
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Speaker 6: her on the Egen Carrol defamation damage's case that was

651
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Speaker 6: happening in New York yesterday, Nikki Haley had an interesting response,

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Speaker 6: Let's play that this is an element too in this block.

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Speaker 13: He's already been found libel for defaming Egen Carrol, who

654
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Speaker 13: accused him of raping her thirty years ago. A jury

655
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Speaker 13: found him libel for sexual abuse, and this trial that

656
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Speaker 13: he's attending today is about damages that he must pay her.

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Speaker 3: You're the only woman in this race.

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Speaker 13: How do you feel about your party's front runner being

659
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Speaker 13: held liable for sexual abuse?

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Speaker 12: I mean, first of all, I haven't paid attention to

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Speaker 12: is his cases, and I'm not a lawyer. All I

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Speaker 12: know is that he's innocent until proven guilty. And when

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Speaker 12: he's proven guilty and he's sitting in a courtroom, that's

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Speaker 12: exactly what I'm talking about. You've got investigations on Trump

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Speaker 12: and Biden.

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Speaker 13: A lot of people forgive me, but a lot of

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Speaker 13: people in the Republican Party blow it all off and

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Speaker 13: say that it's all a witch hunt, and which is

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Speaker 13: because I think some of the cases been particular.

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Speaker 12: This one I haven't looked at. But look, if he's

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Speaker 12: found guilty, then he'll he needs to pay the price.

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Speaker 12: He needs to do what he's supposed to every one

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Speaker 12: of these cases, they need to be heard out, he

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Speaker 12: needs to defend himself. If he is found guilty, he's

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Speaker 12: going to pay the price. If he's not found guilty,

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Speaker 12: then we move forward. What I will tell you is

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Speaker 12: I'm focused on the economy, the border and education and

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Speaker 12: getting our country back on track. If he's sitting in

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Speaker 12: a courtroom, that goes back to what I'm saying. We

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Speaker 12: can't continue to be distracted, we can't continue.

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Speaker 4: To be in chaos.

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Speaker 12: We have a country to say.

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Speaker 3: So for some.

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Speaker 6: Context on that case that was just mentioned, here's from

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Speaker 6: NBC News. They say testimony will begin Wednesday, So today

686
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Speaker 6: in Egen Carroll's damages trials, that's the testimony is what

687
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Speaker 6: is beginning today against Donald Trump, with the writer on

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Speaker 6: the witness stand and the former president who was found

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Speaker 6: liable for sexually abusing and defaming her expected to be

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Speaker 6: in the courtroom. That decision came down several months ago.

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Speaker 6: Carol eighty will tell the New York Federal Court jury

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Speaker 6: and the defamation case how her life turned upside down

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Speaker 6: after Trump. Then the President repeatedly slammed her publicly after

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Speaker 6: she first came forward in twenty nineteen with allegations that

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Speaker 6: he sexually assaulted her in a dressing room in a

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Speaker 6: Manhattan department store in nineteen ninety six. We don't have

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Speaker 6: to debate the merits of the Egen Carroll case. We've

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Speaker 6: covered this before. I honestly don't find that case particularly credible.

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Speaker 6: She was though he was found liable for the allegations

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Speaker 6: in New York, why they're now talking about the damages.

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Speaker 4: And the fun detail, like he already got hit with damages.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this case comes from what he said after that,

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Speaker 5: after that, So and immediately when I saw him defaming

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Speaker 5: her again, I was like, you can't do this.

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Speaker 4: You just got slammed for this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he can do it if he wants to pay.

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Speaker 5: And she immediately sued him again, and this time they

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Speaker 5: didn't have a trial because they're like, we already adjudicated

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Speaker 5: the facts of the case. You said this again and

710
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Speaker 5: worse stuff, so now you're going to pay again. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: he can keep doing it. It's just going to cost

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Speaker 5: him judgment after judgment after judgment.

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Speaker 6: So this brings us to Niki Haley's point. She pivoted

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Speaker 6: as Dana Bash was pushing her. Nikki Haley pivoted and said, listen,

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Speaker 6: I haven't been paying attention to it, but this is

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Speaker 6: what I'm talking about with all of the cases. She's actually,

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Speaker 6: i think, going in the opposite direction of where the

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Speaker 6: vast majority of Republican voters want her to talk about,

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Speaker 6: which is if you look at everyone except for Niki

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Speaker 6: Haley basically, but if you look at you know, over

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Speaker 6: the course of the last year, as the indictments against

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump have stacked up, I think it was you

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Speaker 6: Ryan he said, it looks like a crocodile when you

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Speaker 6: look at the polling with DeSantis in particular, Trump's polling

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Speaker 6: keeps going up because the more oxygen that these cases

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Speaker 6: are getting, the more Republican voters. I'm not talking about everybody,

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Speaker 6: but the more Republican voters say he's got to be

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Speaker 6: the one. He's the one that's being targeted by the

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Speaker 6: political establishment, which we all agree sucks, so he has

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Speaker 6: to be the one to carry the torch going forward.

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Speaker 6: And Nicki Haley is really making the opposite argument, and

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Speaker 6: perhaps that's because it's really her only opening politically. She

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Speaker 6: has to then appeal if he's that and this is true.

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Speaker 6: In the RCP average, he's around sixty percent, Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: is and all the other candidates. I think Nikki Haley's

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Speaker 6: around like twelve percent. De Santis is around ten percent

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Speaker 6: in the RCP national polling average. Of course that was

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Speaker 6: from before Iowa, but still that's a huge, huge margin

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Speaker 6: for Donald Trump Ron de Santis voters, people that Nicki

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Speaker 6: Haley is going to want to pick up to make

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Speaker 6: up that about ten point difference roughly that she has

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Speaker 6: a New Hampshire right now with Donald Trump. Those are

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Speaker 6: not the voters that want her to be attacking Trump

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Speaker 6: for being attacked with law fair and Again, whatever you

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Speaker 6: think of all of these cases, I do think some

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Speaker 6: of them are more serious than others. Whatever you think

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Speaker 6: of that though, Republican voters are sick of it, but

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Speaker 6: they're not sick of it to the extent that they're

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Speaker 6: going to say, Hay lady from the Boeing board who

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Speaker 6: sucked up to Donald Trump for a really long time

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Speaker 6: then decided you kind of had different opinions on him,

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Speaker 6: and now you're attacking him for being attacked.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's the winning message.

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Speaker 6: Nikki Hilly needs to cobble together the math for the coalition?

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Speaker 4: Is there one like?

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Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like there is a message or a

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Speaker 5: coalition that is bigger than the MAGA coalition behind Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's the biggest problem.

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Speaker 6: I think of the Republican elector at about thirty percent,

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Speaker 6: I would say, are hardcore always Trump.

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Speaker 3: As I think DeSantis has described them in the past.

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Speaker 6: So with that old always Trump voting block and all

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Speaker 6: of the attention on the indictments, yeah, I'm the more

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Speaker 6: and more I think about it, there really was no room.

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Speaker 6: And obviously we have the benefit of hindsight now that

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Speaker 6: there's a year and all of these indictments in the

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Speaker 6: rear view mirror to look back when Destantus and Haley

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Speaker 6: and Tim Scott were launching their campaigns and Mike Pennce

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Speaker 6: were launching their campaigns and say in retrospect, there wasn't

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Speaker 6: going to be a lot of oxygen for anybody else.

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Speaker 6: I think that was pretty evident why it was happening.

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Speaker 6: But now it is just abundantly clear that when you

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Speaker 6: stack together the always Trump voters with the people who

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Speaker 6: are watching what's happening in the indictments, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: I don't know what the path ever would have been realistically.

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Speaker 5: David Axelrod just said the Republican Party is steaming toward

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Speaker 5: nominating a candidate for president who is facing four criminal indictments,

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Speaker 5: including one for plotting to overturn a free and fair election.

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Speaker 5: He very well could be a convicted felon by the

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Speaker 5: Republican Convention in July, and he could win all true facts.

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Speaker 6: You know, I saw a lot of people having those

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Speaker 6: sort of moments after the Iowa Caucus and he sort

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Speaker 6: of cleaned up. Beth Moore, who's controversial and evangelical circles,

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Speaker 6: was saying, you know, we really need to come to

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Speaker 6: terms of trump is and it's like we needed.

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Speaker 3: To do that eight years ago.

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Speaker 6: If you didn't do that over the last eight years,

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Speaker 6: and it speaks actually to I think one of the

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Speaker 6: biggest problems is here. I think it was one of

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Speaker 6: the biggest problems for Nikki Haley. I think it was

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Speaker 6: one of the biggest problems for Destantas is that they,

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Speaker 6: like a lot of the left, instead of kind of

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Speaker 6: grappling with trump Ism head on, meeting Trump voters where

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Speaker 6: they are, they try to kind of have it both ways.

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Speaker 6: They tried to say, listen, like especially Haley and de

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Speaker 6: Stanta's like, listen, Trump did some good things, but at

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Speaker 6: the end of the day, you know, he's just a distraction.

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Speaker 3: He's just you know, wild whatever it is. But voters

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Speaker 3: like that. Not every voter likes that, but enough voters

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing, and this is The last thing

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Speaker 6: I'll say in this is if even if they're.

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Speaker 3: Ambivalent on the mean tweets and whatever.

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Speaker 6: Else, they really really hate the political establishment. So if

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Speaker 6: you're juxtaposing main tweets with Nicki Haley, people are going

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Speaker 6: to choose the mean tweets. If Nicki Haley's answer is

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Speaker 6: ambivalence on some of these major questions, like she got

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Speaker 6: into that really interesting bat with rond de Santa Son

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Speaker 6: welfare reform, she got into really interesting spot on girls sports,

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Speaker 6: all of these different things, or I think it was

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Speaker 6: actually on locker rooms and bathrooms and some of the debates.

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Speaker 6: So's if it's sort of like milk toast elite ambivalence

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Speaker 6: versus mean tweets Republican voters. Enough Republican voters, in fact,

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Speaker 6: a majority of Republican voters are going to go with

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Speaker 6: the mean tweets.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've got their man.

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Speaker 3: Then are you not voting in the Republican primary.

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Speaker 4: I'm voting in that primary that's delucked.

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Speaker 5: Oh for people who are voting the New Hampshire primary,

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Speaker 5: have you seen this? So there is a kind of

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Speaker 5: an anti war kind of ground swell that is urging

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Speaker 5: people who are voting in the Democratic Primary in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: The Democratic Primary is going to be competitive.

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Speaker 5: They're telling people vote right in ceasefire, don't vote for

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Speaker 5: Dean Phillip, don't vote for Marion Williams, and don't don't

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Speaker 5: write in Jank, but vote right in ceasefire, and that

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Speaker 5: they think if enough people can write in ceasefire against

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, that that will at least kind of show

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Speaker 5: how much kind of public opposition there is to it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's.

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Speaker 5: Time for that to catch on among kind of rank

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Speaker 5: and file voters, but there's an effort underway, and you know,

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Speaker 5: if it goes viral, you know, I could see it

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Speaker 5: catching on well.

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Speaker 6: In speaking of milk toast ambivalence centrist ambivalence, I think

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Speaker 6: Dean Phillips has some really legitimate gripes with the DNC,

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Speaker 6: is not going to be an attractive candidate, even though

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Speaker 6: Bill Ackman just infused like a million dollars into his campaign.

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Speaker 6: That said, because he now has money and attention from

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Speaker 6: some people that have big platforms, this is definitely like

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Speaker 6: there will be more New Hampshire's for Democrats down the line. Now,

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Speaker 6: New Hampshire doesn't have a lot of delegates, and you're probably.

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Speaker 5: Not to be zero because they're not supposed to be

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Speaker 5: having their Democratic primary. Yes, like so DNC told them

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Speaker 5: this doesn't even count, doesn't count, right, so just go

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Speaker 5: ahead right and sees fire cares doesn't even count.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't count.

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Speaker 4: But that I can't throw away aboute you don't have.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna I mean, to some extent, it does seem

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Speaker 6: like that sort of shadow race, the side race is

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Speaker 6: picking up steam in a way that could be something

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Speaker 6: Biden has to respond to at some point.

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Speaker 3: He's smart politically not to respond to it now.

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Speaker 6: But uh, there's something's happening, something's brewing under the surface there.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about this scandal unfolding on the border.

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Speaker 4: What's going on there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, so, there's just horrible news, and you know,

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Speaker 6: predictably horrible news. But we can put the first tear

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Speaker 6: sheet up on the screen. This is from CNN. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to read a little bit from the article here.

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Speaker 6: The drowning deaths of a woman and two children from

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Speaker 6: Mexico near the US Mexico border have magnified the rift

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Speaker 6: between Texas and federal officials over who has jurisdiction in

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Speaker 6: that part of the Rio Grand area and how to

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Speaker 6: tackle the migrant crisis. The tragedy happened days after state

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Speaker 6: authorities blocked the US Border Patrol from accessing two and

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Speaker 6: a half miles of the US Mexico border near Eagle Pass, Texas,

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Speaker 6: which was recently the epicenter of the migrant crisis. That

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Speaker 6: area includes Shelby Park, a city park on the Rio

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Speaker 6: Grand that Texas authorities blocked off with fencing gates and

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Speaker 6: razor wire, effectively denying access to federal Border Patrol agents.

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Speaker 6: So that's what Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott has been

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Speaker 6: pushing for is sort of heightened state control in the

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Speaker 6: absence of federal action, to sort of enforce stricter policies

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Speaker 6: on the physical land the territory as migrants are making

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Speaker 6: their way across the Rio Grand River over to the

877
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 6: Texas side.

878
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: And so what happened, Oh my gosh, it's Ryan.

879
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: This story, I mean went it went viral right away,

880
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 6: and then what we're going to talk about is that

881
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 6: some different things, some new art.

882
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: But the way it was originally framed was that the

883
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: implication was that the border patrol we're trying would have

884
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: been able to rescue this family, but the state troopers,

885
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: you know, basically blocked them from getting there. One of

886
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: the first things that immigrant advocates said when they saw

887
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: that story circulating was that's odd because often border patrol

888
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 5: is the one blocking activists who are trying to prevent

889
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: people from drowning. So now when when all of a sudden,

890
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: did border patrol you know, get getting you know, so

891
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 5: enthusiastic about trying to trying to rescue people when in

892
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 5: the past they've been in the way. Sometimes border patrol

893
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 5: does rescue people, I don't, and there are a lot

894
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 5: of you know, good brave people that work with them,

895
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: with a lot of people who were also you know,

896
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 5: have participated in you know, blocking access to people or

897
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: knocking over water in the desert, putting people at risk.

898
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: So then we discover that it seems like the timeline

899
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 5: and line up right that the family had tragically drowned already.

900
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 6: But that doesn't let anybody off the hook, and that's

901
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 6: what we should get into here. So I'm now jumping

902
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: back to an AP paragraph from January fourteenth, because I

903
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: think it gives insight into what the story initially looked like.

904
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 6: They reported the U s Homeland Security Department said Saturday

905
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: that Texas denied federal agents access to a stretcher border

906
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 6: when they were trying to rescue three migrants who drowned.

907
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 6: The federal government's account came hours after Henry Kuayar said

908
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 6: the Texas Military Department in Texas National Guard quote did

909
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 6: not grant access to border patrol agents to save the

910
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 6: migrants Friday night. Mexican authorities recover the bodies of a

911
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 6: woman and two children Saturday across the border from Eagle Past, Texas.

912
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 6: So just that first graph from the Associated Press mirrors

913
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 6: the reporting that was happening over the weekend and into

914
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: early this week when it says that Department of Homeland

915
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: Security said Saturday Texas denied federal agent's access to a

916
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 6: stretch of border when they were trying to rescue three

917
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 6: migrants who drowned. What it looks like had happened is

918
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 6: that the migrants drowned around eight pm, they didn't learn

919
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 6: about it until nine pm, and then were denied axis

920
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 6: when they were trying to rescue additional migrants who survived.

921
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: Right. So it's still not cool.

922
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 6: And what I think is extremely disturbing about this whole story,

923
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 6: and this is a new again. I'm going back to

924
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 6: the other ap story that's sort of reflecting on some

925
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 6: of all of this after it has come down, is

926
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: that there are lawsuits going back and forth between Texas

927
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 6: and the Biden administration over who can do what at

928
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 6: the border because Greg Abbott is saying and listen, there's

929
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 6: even Republicans have lots of debate over the merits of

930
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 6: Greg Abbott.

931
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: There are a lot of Conservatives who.

932
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 6: Are not happy with Greg Abbott in Texas. There are

933
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: a lot of people in general are not happy with

934
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 6: Greg Abbott in Texas. But the mass of human suffering

935
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 6: that has poured into Texas and that is the border

936
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 6: is an incredible challenge for any any governor, whether they're

937
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 6: a Republican or a Democrat. And the Biden administration's policies,

938
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 6: we've we've talked and debated this before, from my perspective,

939
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 6: make this worse constantly by CBP one for example, by

940
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 6: getting rid of Romain in Mexico, by all of those

941
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 6: different things. And again, I know we've debated those and

942
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 6: probably disagree on some of this stuff, but the fact

943
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 6: of the matter is it's it's not crazy to look

944
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 6: what the Biden administration has done and say this is

945
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 6: creating a real problem for taxing.

946
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 4: I think we agree.

947
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 5: It's it's it's not a good situation on the border,

948
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: and it's not it's not rational like it's it's not

949
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 5: it's not well organized, and it's dangerous.

950
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 6: And that's exactly the point that it's. It's it's leading

951
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 6: to these bureaucratic disputes that are putting people in danger

952
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 6: because when you're reading the filings from the Department of

953
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 6: Justice about how people were going to different like people

954
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 6: in the representatives of the bureaucracy when people needed to

955
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 6: be rescued because there's dispute over who can do what

956
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 6: on that land.

957
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: It is just appalling.

958
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: Right, you don't have time to file emotion if somebody

959
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 5: needs to be rescued quickly. My understanding though, is that

960
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: the states have no role in immigration policy.

961
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 4: So where does AVOC get off here.

962
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 6: They're litigating that in the courts and it's gone back

963
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 6: and is.

964
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: There any legal argument other than we're going to do

965
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 5: it and then fight it in the courts.

966
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean I think that's what the

967
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: argument is.

968
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 6: And one of the things that people target is it's

969
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 6: USB Arizona. You remember the Jan Brewer a SB ten

970
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 6: seventy case when then Arizona Governor Jan Brewer people may

971
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 6: or may not remember from the Obama era, sort of

972
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 6: a figment of the Tea Party heyday, she had passed

973
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 6: a long called the SB ten seventy that was allowing

974
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 6: I think it was Arizona state troopers to you basically

975
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 6: ask people for their papers when they're pulled over for

976
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 6: traffic stops. And Arizona the Supreme Court overturned that, but

977
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 6: a lot of states like Texas under Republican leadership, think

978
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 6: that's at an unfortunate precedent now that they feel like

979
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 6: they're not getting enough support from border patrol and federal agencies.

980
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 6: As you have a rampant cartel activity on their borders,

981
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 6: human trafficking on their borders. And when I say human trafficking,

982
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 6: I mean actually, you know, basically every migrant who crosses

983
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 6: has paid the cartels, and that's all coming into Texas.

984
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 6: Some people are coming into Texas with debts to the cartels.

985
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 6: Actually a lot of people are coming into Texas with

986
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 6: that's the cartels. There's just all kinds of abuse and

987
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 6: human suffering. Again that we've talked about many times, but

988
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 6: this is how Greg Abbott has handled it. We have

989
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 6: a slot here from Texas Governor Greg Gabbott, who was

990
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 6: talking to Dana Lash on her show.

991
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: D three.

992
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 14: Sorry, we are using every tool that can they use,

993
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 14: from building a border wall, to building these border barriers, to.

994
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: Passing this law that I signed that led to an

995
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: open lawsuit by the biod administration where I signed a

996
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: law making it illegal for somebody to enter Texas from

997
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: another country and so and they're subject to arrest.

998
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 11: And subject to deportation.

999
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 14: And so we are deploying every tool and strategy that

1000
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 14: we possibly can. The only thing that we're not doing

1001
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 14: is we're not shooting people who come across the border,

1002
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 14: because of course the bid administration would charges with murder.

1003
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 6: Okay, so Greg Gabbott, and let's make sure we understood

1004
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 6: him clearly at the end here.

1005
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: The only thing we're not doing is shooting people because

1006
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: we would get charged with murder.

1007
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: We would get charged with murder.

1008
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 4: That's the reason why.

1009
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: That's it. That's the one.

1010
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 6: This went really viral in Texas media and he's getting

1011
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: a ton of fire for it. Again, I think we

1012
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 6: this is this is probably something house. He responded to

1013
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 6: it basically exactly as you expect and say, you know,

1014
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 6: I'm having this broader conversation about an invasion on the border,

1015
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 6: and you know that's what I was talking about. I

1016
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 6: was talking about, you know, acts that and I guess,

1017
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 6: so what.

1018
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: Do you want me to say? I said I wouldn't

1019
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: shoot that.

1020
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: I said I wouldn't shoot that.

1021
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 14: Right.

1022
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 6: So again, I think the outrage is really unfortunate from

1023
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 6: the media here because I think there's something Bill Malegion

1024
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 6: of Fox has said. There are people who are drowning

1025
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 6: every single day.

1026
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: You put up the Texas Tribune one that goes with this, right.

1027
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, here you can see this. This is the Texas Tribune.

1028
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 6: This is Abbot's response. But you know again, this is

1029
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 6: people are drowning every single day in their efforts to

1030
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 6: cross the Rio grand Part of ABBA's response actually was

1031
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 6: that nobody has ever drowned at a legal port of entry.

1032
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: So if you're.

1033
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 6: Crossing the Rio Grande, which I actually think it's it's

1034
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 6: probably lower numbers of illegal crossers who are swimming the

1035
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 6: river because there's so many legalized pass through CBP one

1036
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 6: to come in and make a dubious asylum claim. And

1037
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 6: that's part of the problem with the Biden administration's policy

1038
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 6: is that it has this.

1039
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: Overly brought right.

1040
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 5: Why are people Are people just not aware that they

1041
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: can just check in?

1042
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: Basically, It's like under the.

1043
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 5: New policy, you turn yourself over and then after a

1044
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: while you're released with a court date basically.

1045
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 6: And the problem is there's still quotas, and the quotas

1046
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 6: are different depending on where you were on the border,

1047
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 6: and every single day where you were on a border.

1048
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 6: Like I've seen a guy like I was at a

1049
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 6: restpite center once and watching this guy flip through WhatsApp

1050
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 6: messages on his phone with border patrol in the US

1051
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 6: and this was in Renos, and he's he's just going

1052
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 6: through his phone all the messages about who can come

1053
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 6: across on what.

1054
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: Day and how many people this day.

1055
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 6: They nobody day to day has any idea how many

1056
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 6: people are gonna be able to get across and why

1057
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 6: there's like no rhyme of reason to it other than

1058
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 6: you know what Border patrol knows about, what DHS knows about.

1059
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: And it's incredibly confusing.

1060
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 6: So I think desperate people I often wonder that too,

1061
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 6: like why not wait it out. But I think desperate

1062
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 6: people take desperate steps. They don't have the money. The

1063
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 6: cartel spread information, but they don't have maybe they don't

1064
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 6: have the money to sit and wait for their CDP

1065
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 6: one appointment because there's a backlog on the appointments, so

1066
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 6: they can, you know, pay less to cross something to

1067
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 6: that extent. So it's it's just an abject disaster. And

1068
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: a lot of times what you've seen are actual members

1069
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 6: of the cartel swimming people halfway through the river and

1070
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 6: then sending them off. And so the idea that there

1071
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 6: would be some like enforcement of cartel members who are

1072
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 6: breaching the border, I mean, I think Greg Abbott said

1073
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 6: something that sounded really callous and flippant, and that's a

1074
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 6: huge problem for Republicans when they talk about this issue,

1075
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 6: because I think the Biden administration is so clearly wrong

1076
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 6: on it and so clearly wrong on it from the

1077
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 6: perspective of human dignity and human suffering that there's no

1078
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 6: need to be casual and flip in a way that

1079
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 6: actually sounds like Republicans aren't taking seriously the moral high

1080
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 6: ground that they have on this issue, and not just Republicans,

1081
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 6: but anybody that looks at the Biden administration's policy and

1082
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 6: is like, this is a bureaucratic disaster that's putting.

1083
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: Lives on the line.

1084
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, it seems like Republicans are going to end up

1085
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 5: rejecting any type of negotiated border or immigration deal in Congress.

1086
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: You can put this last Bloomberg element up. You've got

1087
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 5: Jim Jordan here saying that Speaker Mike Johnson is going

1088
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 5: to reject a Senate a Senate border deal, but if

1089
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,479
Speaker 5: a Senate, even if the Senate can get something through.

1090
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: You know, the cynical assessment that I've been making the

1091
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: whole time has been that Republicans don't have an incentive

1092
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 5: to cut a deal with Democrats here because the crisis

1093
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 5: on the border is better politically than resolving it.

1094
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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 5: They will use the argument that, well, we're not taking

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Speaker 5: this bill that is eighty percent of what we want

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Speaker 5: because we're going to wait until we're in full power

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Speaker 5: and get one hundred percent of what we want.

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Speaker 4: But that argument is in many.

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Speaker 5: Ways just to cover for being actually okay with it

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Speaker 5: with the crisis, so that they can use it now Democrats.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not unique to Republicans Democrats are I

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Speaker 5: can't operate justice cynically. I'm curious for your take if

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Speaker 5: that's why you think this deal's falling apart, or if

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00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 5: it's or what like, why wouldn't Republicans take this moment

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Speaker 5: where Biden is just trying to give away the store.

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Speaker 3: I think it's not just Republicans.

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Speaker 6: I think it's not just Democrats I should say that

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Speaker 6: don't want to do anything about the border. To your point,

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Speaker 6: I think it's also Republicans that you see the.

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Speaker 3: Political benefit of it.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's also Republicans that are fine with

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 6: the unending flow of cheap labor into the country because

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Speaker 6: to actually deal with this, you need to deal with asylum,

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Speaker 6: and what the Biden administration is willing to do so

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Speaker 6: far is not serious. It's saying things like, well, we're

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Speaker 6: going to fund border patrol and things that make it

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Speaker 6: really easy for Biden to go out in the campaign

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Speaker 6: trail in twenty twenty four and say Republicans blocked this

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Speaker 6: immigration effort that I made. I wanted to give border

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Speaker 6: patrol more money, and Republicans didn't want to do it.

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00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 6: Because you can have all the money for border patrol

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Speaker 6: in the world and again, you are letting people make

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Speaker 6: all of these appointments through CVP one. There's a huge

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Speaker 6: CVP one backlog. There's asylum judication backlogs because the definition

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Speaker 6: of asylum is confusing because the courts have these competing

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 6: definitions that change all of the time.

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Speaker 3: So the huge issue with Title forty two.

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Speaker 6: Then you can fund border patrol all you want, you

1130
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 6: can give them all the money in the world. You

1131
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 6: can have all your fun little lasers and peter tail equipment.

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Speaker 3: On the border.

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Speaker 6: It's not going to matter unless you deal with asylum.

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Speaker 6: So I think when you see the opposition from Freedom

1135
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 6: Caucus types type of people, they're saying, listen, it's not serious.

1136
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: It's going to give by in the talking point.

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 6: When you see opposition from centrist type Republicans, I think

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Speaker 6: it's less authentic.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's turn to Ukraine and talk about

1140
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Speaker 5: a wild story that I've got over at the intercept there.

1141
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: If you put up this first element here, say, the

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Speaker 5: Ukrainian military is partnering with a founder of the Yippies

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00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 5: for a ie Be Again research project, and the research

1144
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Speaker 5: project is aimed at two separate things. One is the

1145
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 5: use of I begain to treat traumatic brain injury TBI,

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00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 5: and separately the use of I be again at a

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Speaker 5: microdose level UH two for for battle readiness basically and morale.

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Speaker 5: And so let's let's run through these. How much do

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 3: About ibogain just what I've heard from you?

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 4: Okay?

1152
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 5: So I again is it derives from an African root

1153
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 5: and it is arguably the like the most potent hallucinogen

1154
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 5: you can think of. That is that is long lasting,

1155
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 5: similar to ayahuasca in some ways in that it sends

1156
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: you into I have never done ieb again. It's it

1157
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 5: sends you into this like dreamlike state for a deeply

1158
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Speaker 5: extended period of time. And is nobody I think would

1159
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 5: disc it as enjoyable like these are like haunting, a

1160
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 5: haunting dream like state. It was used traditionally an African

1161
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 5: like initiation ceremonies, write a passage ceremonies, and has developed

1162
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 5: into a therapeutic uses, particularly for addiction. The most famous

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Speaker 5: person to have benefited from it Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 4: It is illegal here in the United States. It's a

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Speaker 4: schedule one drug.

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Speaker 5: Hunter Biden in his memoir talks about how he went

1167
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Speaker 5: to Mexico and got an iebe gain treatment and it

1168
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Speaker 5: just seems to have been effective so far.

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Speaker 4: You battle, you know, addiction battles are constant.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't the man.

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Speaker 6: Who was accused of and did attack Paul Pelosi mixed up.

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Speaker 5: And he had he had there was some interesting involvement

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Speaker 5: with ibogain with him where because because IBA gain is

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 5: so effective at at helping people kick addiction, uh, and

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Speaker 5: because it's illegal, then now you have it. You know,

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Speaker 5: you have people who are trying to like kind of

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Speaker 5: black market use it in San Francisco for instance. So

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Speaker 5: it's not it's not clear exactly. People were saying, well,

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Speaker 5: maybe he was on ib again and knowing a little

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Speaker 5: bit about ivan, like, there's no way he was on

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Speaker 5: ib again. You can't, right, you're like flat on your back.

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Speaker 5: It's you're you can't go assault anybody. I mean that

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Speaker 5: that's I wouldn't say that with one hundred percent certainty.

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 5: Anything can happen, But for the most part, people are

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Speaker 5: pretty immobilized.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There is a risk of there's a cardiovascular risk associated

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Speaker 5: with with IB again and some uh, some people with

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Speaker 5: substance use disorders who are trying to overcome them and

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Speaker 5: who are in you know, we pretty weakened conditions have

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01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 5: died from like heart attacks or other cardiovascular issues. And

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01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: so that's another reason that you would you want this

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Speaker 5: to be you know, done clinically and with and with this,

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01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 5: you know, with support systems in place in case, you know,

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Speaker 5: you do have some cardiovascular side effect. So there was

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Speaker 5: recently a nature medicine actually, UH, a study showing that

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Speaker 5: it was effective against traumatic brain injury. They used this

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Speaker 5: Stanford developed protocol that introduces magnesium with with I begain

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Speaker 5: to try to mitigate some of the cardiovascular issues. Okay,

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Speaker 5: setting So that that's the that's the background here. So

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Speaker 5: when it comes to battle readiness, UH, militaries throughout the

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Speaker 5: throughout history really have been giving soldiers stimulants basically for

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01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 5: you know, you know, liquid courage, UH, A bunch of

1204
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: bunch of whiskey, a couple of shots of whiskey right

1205
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 5: before people would go over the trenches up to the

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Speaker 5: Nazis using meth basically like you know, medical medical grade amphetamines.

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Speaker 4: UH.

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Speaker 5: The United States has used you know, plenty of meth

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Speaker 5: amphetamines as as well with its with its soldiers. They're

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Speaker 5: using that in UH in Ukraine as well. The Russians

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Speaker 5: are on this like really kind of like low grade

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Speaker 5: foul Syrian produced that sound. Yeah that uh, and that

1213
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 5: causes like any any amphetamine is is is uh is

1214
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 5: not basically healthy for you. But the trashy ones, the

1215
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 5: dirty ones, are much worse and cause premature aging, paranoias, psychosis,

1216
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 5: like all sorts of reasons that you would want some

1217
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 5: type of an alternative. If you can't have peace, piece

1218
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 5: is a better alternative. But if you can't atpiece, some

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 5: other type of alternative to it. You know, silos cybin

1220
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 5: is becoming mushrooms or you know that's becoming I've become

1221
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 5: a convert to that. I used to think that because

1222
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 5: this stuff came out of Slogan Valley, that it was

1223
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 5: faced and nonsense is something that tech pros just made up.

1224
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 5: It's not legal in Washington, DC, like there was a

1225
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Speaker 5: ballot initiative past.

1226
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Speaker 4: You can walk into a.

1227
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Speaker 5: Store and buy like microdosis of shrooms and and you

1228
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 5: use them instead of coffee, for instance. So the proposal

1229
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Speaker 5: here from the IPPI co founder who names Dana biel

1230
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 5: H and it's it's funded by John Lubecki actually partly

1231
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Speaker 5: funded it, who we've had on this show.

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Speaker 4: Before, as well as maps Rick Rick Doblin.

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Speaker 5: Multi multi multi association discipline or psychedelic studies something like that.

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Speaker 5: It's like the biggest, it's the biggest kind of psychedelic

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Speaker 5: research organization in the world.

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Speaker 4: So they came together. They're funding this project in Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: So what they're saying is we will, you know, supply

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Speaker 5: some Ukrainian troops with microdoses of IBA gain for battle readiness,

1239
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 5: but then separately treat them uh for traumatic brain inagury

1240
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: and see if we can replicate the results that that

1241
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Speaker 5: they got in this Nature Medicine article. And you know,

1242
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Speaker 5: I tease this quote at the beginning, but here Dana

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Speaker 5: Biale told me, we think that what we'll do is

1244
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 5: we'll get our side to live longer. It'll be the

1245
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Speaker 5: Ukrainians on IBA gain versus the Russians on meth.

1246
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Speaker 3: It's incredible quote.

1247
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Speaker 4: So, but it's still war, and it's still it's still awful.

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Speaker 5: But the hope is that I begain doesn't lead to

1249
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: as many kind of long term problems if people have.

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Speaker 5: So I actually confirmed this with the with the Ukrainian military.

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Speaker 5: I talked to a military psychologist who was was attached

1252
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Speaker 5: to the fifty seventh Motor Infantry Brigade Alexi skirt talk

1253
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Speaker 5: and he.

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Speaker 4: What he said.

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Speaker 5: He said, we really need as much i BE again

1256
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Speaker 5: as possible. Even if the war ends now, we'll have

1257
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 5: too many Rambos to come back home from the front line.

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 5: It'll be a much more serious problem than the USA

1259
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 5: faced when thousands of veterans came home from the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 5: There also has been a lot of work with MDMA

1262
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Speaker 5: when it comes to post traumatic stress syndrome.

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Speaker 4: MAPS.

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Speaker 5: Rick Doblin told me that because MDMA was flat out

1265
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Speaker 5: banned in Ukraine, they can't do any research projects there.

1266
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Speaker 5: So that's one reason that I begain was more appealing.

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Speaker 5: MAPS has funded a lot of projects in Israel. Actually,

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Speaker 5: Israel has been one of the leading kind of places

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Speaker 5: to deploy md M A for PTSD among its troops there.

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Speaker 4: And so you're seeing this kind of just this.

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Speaker 5: You know what rose in the nineteen sixties with the

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Speaker 5: kind of counterculture movement which Dana Biel was a central

1273
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Speaker 5: player in trying to bring about world peace, the kind

1274
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Speaker 5: of consolation prizes at least perhaps maybe the psychedelics can

1275
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 5: help people kind of clean up some of the psychic

1276
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 5: mess from our inability to end to bring about world peace.

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Speaker 6: Once you rested out of the hands of the CIA,

1278
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Speaker 6: maybe some good can come from all of it, you know.

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Speaker 6: The other thing to think about is Russia. Obviously to

1280
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Speaker 6: your point about the Russians being on meth.

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Speaker 4: And it's called captagen.

1282
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Speaker 3: What's it called off brand meth is.

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Speaker 6: The captive god, So what is called We're at what

1284
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Speaker 6: hundreds of thousands reporting at least hundreds of thousands of

1285
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Speaker 6: casualties between both sides here, and so Russia society reintegrating

1286
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Speaker 6: all of these deeply traumatized men who have just again

1287
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Speaker 6: they're literal trenches, like actual trench warfare, which is incredibly

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Speaker 6: traumatizing thing. So Ukraine reintegrant, integrating these men from a

1289
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Speaker 6: war that was instigated by Russia important. Also, it's not

1290
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Speaker 6: good for anyone to have hundreds of thousands of deeply

1291
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Speaker 6: traumatized Ukrainian and Russian men reintegrating back into society after

1292
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Speaker 6: all of this and getting no help.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also kind of appalling that the son

1294
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Speaker 5: of the President of the United States can get the

1295
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Speaker 5: benefit of this treatment, yes, but nobody else can. And

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Speaker 5: lou backing his organization have been and others have been

1297
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Speaker 5: pushing to allow various psychedelic treatments, you know, at least

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Speaker 5: for veterans to start with that it's obscene that they

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Speaker 5: have to travel from the United States to a foreign

1300
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Speaker 5: country at the treatment that they need, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And what paid tons of money? I'm sure too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not going to get the VA to reimburse

1303
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 5: you for your trip to the Mexican clinic for sure.

1304
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Speaker 5: And all this came about in a wild way, like

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Speaker 5: Beale was bringing Eye again to a Mexican clinic, was

1306
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Speaker 5: stopped there because DHS had flagged him because of some

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Speaker 5: of his previous like cannabis convictions, and he said he

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Speaker 5: couldn't get into Mexico. As a result, they kicked him

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Speaker 5: back to Spain, where his flight had come from. And

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Speaker 5: then he connected with Doblin and Lubecki, who then connected

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Speaker 5: him with the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 4: And Ukrainians like, yes.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely interesting, we would love to run a project on this.

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Speaker 5: Interesting And so he's like all right, and so then

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Speaker 5: he took a flight to Bucharest and a bust into

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Speaker 5: Kiev and now we've got a project.

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Speaker 3: Well, great reporting and good story of trusting story.

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Speaker 6: Seriously, our guest. Next, this is this assignment that Ryan

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Speaker 6: set up. Fascinating study congressional districts.

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Speaker 5: Two corporate lobbyists did a did giant study on come

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Speaker 5: and UH and caucus like representation. And so we're going

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Speaker 5: to talk about you know which caucuses, the liberal, Moderate, Conservative,

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Speaker 5: Black Caucus, Hispanic Caucus, Progressive Caucus, Freedom Caucus represent uh

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Speaker 5: the richest to the poorest types of people. And I

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Speaker 5: think you might be surprised by some of the results.

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Speaker 5: Maybe not, but it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: It's a good teaser. So we'll be right back with that, and.

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Speaker 5: We're going to be talking about a new report out

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Speaker 5: on congressional members of Congress and the district the kind

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Speaker 5: of economic uh distribution of resources in the district that

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Speaker 5: districts that they represent. Are joined by Mike Williams and

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Speaker 5: Sam Goodaldig of United by Interest. Gentlemen, thank you so

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Speaker 5: much for joining.

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Speaker 15: Us, Thank you thanks for having us.

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Speaker 4: We can put this first element up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: So this this report that that you guys put out

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Speaker 5: goes through basically every member of Congress and all of

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Speaker 5: the different caucuses and coalitions and tries to figure out

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Speaker 5: which ones have the kind of highest average median income

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Speaker 5: and which ones have the lowest average meaning income and

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Speaker 5: draw some lessons out of that. So, and first of all,

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Speaker 5: just just be clear here, you know I have interest

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Speaker 5: this is you guys? Are you guys are Washington lobbyists

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Speaker 5: like you represent like mostly corporate clients who have business

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 5: before Congress and are trying to figure out that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the smartest ways to navigate Congress in their interests. That

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Speaker 5: an accurate description. How what would you guys say it

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Speaker 5: is that you do here.

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 16: At its essence, yes, we are advocating on behalf of

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Speaker 16: clients and yesterday are corporate, but we are trying to

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Speaker 16: take a different approach relative to you know, your traditional

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Speaker 16: lobby and firm.

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Speaker 15: We're trying to find out middle ground.

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Speaker 16: We're trying to find that common reality of interest between

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Speaker 16: the two sides, right, and is there a way to

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Speaker 16: have members to work cooperatively together. And what we have

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Speaker 16: discerned is that there is right, there is a commonality

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Speaker 16: of interest as it pertains to.

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Speaker 15: Economic inequality.

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Speaker 16: And I think that's the crux of this report where

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Speaker 16: we wanted to demonstrate that there are more alignments of

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Speaker 16: interest between Republicans and Democrats particularly on the sort of

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Speaker 16: opposing side of the more polarized segments of the political spectrum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Sam, let's get to the key finding of

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Speaker 5: this report, what you found here, and to back up

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Speaker 5: and as you guys say in your kind of a

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Speaker 5: memo that is attached to this, it is the kind

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Speaker 5: of wealthier liberal and moderate districts, swing districts that get

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Speaker 5: almost all of the kind of pack money and political

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Speaker 5: attention showered on them from K Street, with the rest

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Speaker 5: of the districts kind of ignored because they're they don't

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Speaker 5: face competitive elections for the most part, or they face

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Speaker 5: competitive primaries, but they don't face competitive partisan elections. But

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Speaker 5: your most fascinating finding is that the two kind of

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Speaker 5: poorest caucuses in Congress are the anti Woke Caucus and

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Speaker 5: the Congressional Black Caucus. Sam, can you talk a little

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Speaker 5: bit about what you found here and whether it's surprised

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Speaker 5: you or not.

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Speaker 17: I got to be honest, it didn't surprise me. You know,

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Speaker 17: Mike and I have been going to meetings, fundraisers. You know,

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Speaker 17: I kind of consider the people that live in Washington,

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Speaker 17: d c. And make a living here for you know,

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Speaker 17: ten plus years. Ryan, Emily, you guys are part of

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Speaker 17: this thing. It's the political industrial complex, and we are

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Speaker 17: whether whether you hate to love it, you know we're

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Speaker 17: all part of it. We never leave members of Congress do.

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Speaker 17: And there's a lot of anger thrown at Congress. You know,

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Speaker 17: they don't get it that you know, they're immature, their

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Speaker 17: their hostile, their bomb throwers. You've heard all the names.

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Speaker 17: The people that get to define those members of Congress

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Speaker 17: is the political industrial complex. It's it's academia, it's think tanks,

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01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 17: it's lobbyists, it's public affairs firms, it's law firms, it's journalists,

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Speaker 17: it's cable news. And when when we call these people

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Speaker 17: these names, you know, kind of it's almost like second

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01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 17: nature anymore. In my opinion, it just reeks of class bias.

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Speaker 17: We love to hate members of Congress from the poorest

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Speaker 17: congressional districts. We love to and if we're not hating them,

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Speaker 17: we're dismissing them as not important, not not important to

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Speaker 17: the debate, not important to you know, the final end

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01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 17: result product of whatever it is that needs to happen

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Speaker 17: or shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 11: And we just dismissed them so quickly, and in my opinion.

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Speaker 17: When we do that, we're just dismissing the constituencies that

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Speaker 17: live in those congressional districts. Often almost one hundred percent

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Speaker 17: of the time, they're poorer than the median average of

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Speaker 17: the United States. And to the you know, to the

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Speaker 17: other point here is the wealthier districts represent politicians. They're

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Speaker 17: kind of showered with love. You know, they're responsible, reasonable, thoughtful, productive,

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Speaker 17: you know, those are the members from the wealthier districts.

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Speaker 11: And to me, it just reeks of class bias.

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Speaker 17: I know, I'm not saying anything new to your viewers,

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Speaker 17: but to d C it's like someone needs to grab

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 17: them by the you know, the lapels, and like your classests,

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Speaker 17: it's terrible, like wake up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And so the average medium income you found, I think

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Speaker 6: is so helpful to put numbers on this. The problem

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Speaker 6: Solver's Caucus, which considers itself bipartisan, the average medium income

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 6: is seventy nine thousand dollars a year Tuesday groups.

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Speaker 3: So that's the Republicans.

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Speaker 6: They're at seventy seven thousand, five hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year. My favorite here is the Civility

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 6: and Respect Caucus. There's seventy five thousand dollars for their

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 6: average media and income. And what happens it's a denigration

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Speaker 6: on class on class basis of populism in the House

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Speaker 6: of Representatives, which are supposed to represent the people that.

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Speaker 3: Elect you into the office.

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Speaker 6: And Mike, one question I had for you is you

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Speaker 6: talked earlier about how the numbers. The sort of end

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Speaker 6: goal as you guys are putting these numbers together is

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Speaker 6: to see where there's perhaps points of agreement, consensus, cooperation.

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Speaker 6: And what's interesting about that project is it kind of

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Speaker 6: turns consensus in Washington on it's head. Whenever there is

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Speaker 6: bipartisanship and cooperation, it's typically coming out of the Problem

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Speaker 6: Solvers Caucus, which just represents centrists that happen to come

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Speaker 6: from the Democratic Republican parties, but they're from wealthy districts

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Speaker 6: and have a lot of their same takes on salt

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01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 6: and all that good stuff. So what would it look

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Speaker 6: like actually to start targeting people those coalitions that come

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Speaker 6: from you know, maybe it's anti woke and Congressional Black Caucus.

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Speaker 6: Is there a way to find bipartisanship and cooperation among

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Speaker 6: those different groups?

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Speaker 2: You think so?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 16: I mean, we've had some projects in the past where

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Speaker 16: we've actually gotten members that have Black Caucus and the

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Speaker 16: Tricoccus quite frankly work in cooperatively with Republicans once they're

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01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 16: aware of the alignment relative to their constituencies. We did

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Speaker 16: this report just so, and this is not the first

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 16: version of this, right so something we have done something

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01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 16: like this in the past where we've sort of demonstrated it,

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 16: but not in the more in the most fulsome nature

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01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 16: in which this report exists. But we want to share

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Speaker 16: this with those members because they express these frustrations right.

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Speaker 16: So on the right Sammy gets it, and he hears

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 16: all of these things. I get it from the Black becus,

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Speaker 16: the Hispanic Caucus, the you know, the entire Tricaucus and

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Speaker 16: the ext it's there, but they just don't understand what

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01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 16: is behind it, right because they feel like they're representing

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01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 16: their districts. They feel like they're expressing the views that

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Speaker 16: their constituents express on a day and day out basis,

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Speaker 16: but they don't understand what that limitter is. And so

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Speaker 16: I think that this report represents the fact that you

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 16: have more alignment than you think. And maybe if you

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Speaker 16: take the politics out the sort of raw larger politics

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Speaker 16: out of it. There are items that you can work

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Speaker 16: on together. In the past, we've pushed the funding mechanisms

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Speaker 16: for infrastructure and UH and transportation spending and the methodology

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Speaker 16: there was simply a sort of reallocation of you know,

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Speaker 16: sort of government resources that would benefit by and large,

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Speaker 16: and you know, we found the trillion worth a potential

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Speaker 16: funding that wouldn't cost tax payers a dying. That was

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Speaker 16: an idea that was quite frankly, well ahead of its time.

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Speaker 16: And essentially what we ended up with in the end

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Speaker 16: as a mechanism that increased a federal deficit right and

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Speaker 16: increase the.

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Speaker 15: Debt load in both.

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Speaker 16: The IRA and the bipart is an infrastructure deal. So

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Speaker 16: that deal was not cut with the folks that we

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Speaker 16: are talking about in this report. That deal was cut

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Speaker 16: without them. It was cut by the folks that are

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Speaker 16: in the middle, who were in leadership, who are making

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Speaker 16: these determinations.

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Speaker 15: And yeah, I just wanted to add one more point.

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Speaker 16: Right, it's going to be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 16: money is in fact allocated to these poor districts, and

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Speaker 16: so far the scorecard is not good.

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Speaker 5: It's such a fascinating window into how Washington thinks when

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 5: you when you understand the way that you and the

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 5: way that Sam was describing the political industrial complex, basically

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01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 5: producing an understanding among the among the public of who

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01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 5: the people, who the adults are in the room, who

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01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 5: the reasonable people are, and who the kind of crazies are.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And then when you map that onto this income distribution,

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Speaker 5: the classism behind it becomes just extraordinarily apparent. Because you

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01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 5: also look at the what you call the squad extended

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Speaker 5: nine nine members of kind of an extended squad, and

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Speaker 5: they're not the they don't represent the poorest districts, but

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 5: but very close, like the numbers are almost equal to

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 5: the Anti Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus, and it

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01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 5: and it is, Yeah, it is those people that are

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 5: told kind of by the broader system here in Washington

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 5: that you're the crazy ones and the people we need

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 5: to listen to are the re ones. And yeah, it

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01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 5: was just so perfect to me that this bipartisan Problem

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 5: Solvers Caucus, which is a product of No Labels, which

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 5: is this dark money group, and when they do release donors,

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01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 5: it's hedge fund folks, it's private equity types, it's you know,

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Speaker 5: it's billionaires. It's people who own you know, baseball and

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01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 5: football teams, and they're the ones who you know, we're

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01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 5: told we have to say, these are the ones who

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 5: are kind of the upstanding members. But Sam, I'm curious, like,

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 5: why why do we have to Why did you guys have.

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 4: To be the ones to kind of point this out

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01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 5: It's I think a lot of viewers are gonna be like, well,

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01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 5: we agree with all of this, but where are they

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Speaker 5: coming from.

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, Mike and I became business partners before

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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 17: Trump was inaugurated in twenty sixteen, and we knew the

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 17: commonality between the Black Caucus and the Freedom Caucus or

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 17: Anti Woe Caucus. I mean, you go up there every day,

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 17: you kind of get a feeling for who represents what

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01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 17: you know, and it's easy for the left to rip

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 17: to shreds Marjorie Taylor Green, it's easy for the right

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01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 17: to rip to shreds. You know, AOC or some other

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01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 17: dem kind of lightning Rod go to the district that

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01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 17: ask them to, you know, nominate a different politician and

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01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 17: see you're not going to get a reasonable member that's

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Speaker 17: going to join the Civility and Respect Caucus.

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01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 11: It's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 17: So in our view, it's a little bit like just

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 17: gas lighting America. You know, we keep calling the politicians

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 17: that they represent, that they elect to represent them, nuts, insane, terrorists, whatever,

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01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 17: whatever the you know, the slander is, but you're really

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01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 17: calling the people that live in the congressional district that name.

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01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 17: And you know, the poorer America gets after COVID, the

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01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 17: wealthier getting wealthier, the poor getting poor, the middle class

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01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 17: is wiped out.

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Speaker 11: And if we keep calling the.

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01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 17: Politicians of the people that elect them in these districts nuts,

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01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 17: you're really just calling half of America nuts at this point.

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Speaker 11: And you know, Mike.

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01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 17: And I joined up together talked about you know, the

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01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 17: similarities between the two caucuses. And caucuses are important to

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01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 17: lobbyists because they vote in blocks. So if you can

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 17: get the entire Black caucus to vote yes, you know

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 17: Nancy Pelosi or Hakeem Jefferies is going to take that

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01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 17: very seriously, just like you know Kevin Kevin McCarthy or

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01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 17: Mike Johnson would take the Freedom Caucus or Anti Wolcox

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01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 17: voting in block. They take that extremely seriously. So if

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 17: you can align the anti Woke Caucus and the Black

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01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 17: Caucus on issues involving.

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Speaker 11: The terrible poverty.

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Speaker 17: You know, we looked at a bunch of statistics too,

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01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 17: children living living in you know, below the poverty, the

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01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 17: poverty line, with with with food issues, uh, military service

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 17: life expectancy, average income on employment. It's all terrible. Like

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 17: the stats are exactly what you'd expect. The poor districts

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01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 17: have it worse, the wealthier districts have it better. We're

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 17: not knocking the wealthier districts. It's just time to look

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 17: at like who the poor the poorer districts are being

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01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 17: represented by.

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 11: Why are we calling them crazy?

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01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 17: And how are we not figuring out a way to

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01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 17: find some type of bipartisan win in this whole thing?

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 11: And you're right, we do represent corporate interests, and a.

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01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 17: Lot of the ideas that come out of you know,

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 17: the Center are regressive in nature and they really hurt

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01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 17: these districts. So Mike and I, you know, kind of

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01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 17: became business partners with the idea that we could align

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01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 17: Black Caucus members anti woke Caucus members on the principle

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01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 17: that you know, you're both getting screwed your skin colors.

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01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 11: The only only statistic that's different. Everything else is the same.

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01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 17: You're living less long, you're less healthy, you're you're less wealthy.

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 17: It's it's really tough in these districts, and it's time

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01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 17: someone kind of paid attention to that.

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Speaker 15: I think no.

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Speaker 6: It reminds me of how John McCain famously derided the

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01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 6: then Tea Party members as wacko birds, and that was

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01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 6: the media absolutely loved that. And when we go back

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01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 6: and look at the Tea Party era, we see that

1585
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 6: some of the denigration on a class basis of Tea

1586
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 6: Party activists gave way to Donald Trump.

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: People were so sick of it.

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 6: And to your guys's point, the less tolerance there is

1589
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 6: for Descent, the wilder that descent is going to get.

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01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 6: It's going to take all kinds of crazy forms that

1591
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 6: the media hates more and more and Ratchet's subtensions in

1592
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 6: the country without solving the very real problem that people

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01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 6: are taking different sort of forms of expression to address.

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01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 5: And you'll often hear AOC in particular, but also some

1595
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 5: other members of the squad when they're getting criticized by

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01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 5: fellow Democrats say look, what do you want me to say? Like,

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01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 5: I'm representing my district yeah. Yeah, like this's what you.

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01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 4: Don't like it.

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01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Like this is like and I think Sam,

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01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 5: your point is good. When if you get rid of them,

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01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 5: who do you think is going to replace them? Somebody

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01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 5: who's saying, you know, the same things, or or being

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01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 5: even more aggressive about it.

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 5: So but anyway, feels weird to say. But I wish

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01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 5: you corporate lobbyists good luck in this project.

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01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 3: No, thank you so much.

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 6: It's such interesting research. It'd be interesting to qualitatively map

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01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 6: it onto or quantitatively map it on a media coverage too,

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01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 6: because I think you would find what we all know

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 6: to be true.

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01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but very interesting stuff.

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01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,919
Speaker 11: So the beautiful industrial complex.

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01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 4: There you go.

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 5: We'll put a link to the report in the in

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01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 5: the show notes here so people can check it out.

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 4: But Sam and Mike thanks so much for joining us.

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01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 3: Thank you all right, Well that does it for us

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01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 3: today on common points.

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01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 5: No, we'll see you guys next Wednesday, then, I guess right,

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 5: nothing special going on between now and then, right, no

1622
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 5: shows or anything.

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: Well, the Eagles aren't playing.

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01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 4: They are definitely not. That was that was the easiest

1625
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,839
Speaker 4: money anybody could have made. You keep saying you better.

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01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 5: Get I never bet against the Eagles, but it was

1627
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 5: such easy money, like they were favored to win that game,

1628
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 5: which was utterly absurd. I think I would have taken

1629
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 5: the Bucks even if like they were giving like fifteen points.

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01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 3: Such a principled stand thoughts. Never bet against this.

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01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 4: It's crazy. I can't do that.

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01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 5: My dad does that sometimes, and I understand it because

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01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 5: then he feels better. He hasn't done it in a

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01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 5: long time. Actually he did pretty recently now I think

1635
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 5: of it. But his rationale was, then the pain of

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01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 5: the loss is offset by the fact that you made

1637
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 5: a little money.

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01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 4: Off of it.

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01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: We'll feel free to bet on the packers.

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 15: There you go.

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01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 3: It's a good bet right now.

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01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 6: But there is of course results coming out of New

1643
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 6: Hampshire next week, so we will be all over that

1644
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 6: as well, heading into South Carolina and then Super Tuesday,

1645
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 6: because damn it, it's an election year, all right, all right, Well,

1646
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 6: we'll see you next week on Counterpoints. Make sure to like,

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Speaker 6: subscribe comment. We appreciate all of it.