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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with I R Radio. Actually, it really does feel like

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Speaker 1: we're back. I mean we are talking about Claire season.

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Speaker 1: It's been months since we've had a season talking about

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Speaker 1: and it's been great. Now, don't get me wrong. We've

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Speaker 1: had a great time with the shows that we've been

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Speaker 1: able to do, and it's been really thought we could

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Speaker 1: go like eight months without talking about the season talent

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Speaker 1: Actually that's just talent um. It actually has been great

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Speaker 1: and we've got to do a ton of new things.

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Speaker 1: But we're back talking about Claire season. It is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a season to talk about. This first episode is wild. Actually,

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Speaker 1: before we break down Claire's season, I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about this game that you and Nick did. I

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Speaker 1: had a text from Jared asking me to kind of

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Speaker 1: fill in a video for you Tom for this game.

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Speaker 1: Ashley tell us all about it. Okay, So Jerry does

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Speaker 1: this thing. It's called the Shmowdown, and it's a movie

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Speaker 1: of the contest. So you just act like you know,

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Speaker 1: you're in the w w E and you're competing as

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Speaker 1: to who knows the most trivial, trivial small details of

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Speaker 1: movie trivia. So they decided to do a Bachelor version

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Speaker 1: of it, and I will say some of the questions

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Speaker 1: were total gimmes, but some of them were hard, and

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Speaker 1: some of them were gimmes that I could I blinked

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Speaker 1: completely on, like Melissa Ryecroft, Okay, like what anyway? Nick

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Speaker 1: and I the first couple of rounds pretty easy, breezy.

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Speaker 1: Then we really got into it. You guys. Um, we

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Speaker 1: had a big fight over if I was playing by

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Speaker 1: the rules. He thought that Jared was like some secret

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Speaker 1: Bachelor encyclopedia feeding me the answers, and I'm like, Nick,

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Speaker 1: come on, now, come on. No. So you guys you

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Speaker 1: can watch it. It's on YouTube. Just type in Ashley

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Speaker 1: and Nick shmowdown Bachelor Trivia. It's forty five minutes. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit long, but people say in the comment

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Speaker 1: that they don't even watch The Bachelor, and they were

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Speaker 1: thoroughly entertained for that amount of time. I'd be entertained

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Speaker 1: by you and Nick. Um. You know. The funny thing

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Speaker 1: is Jared was always is always. If you don't know Jared,

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Speaker 1: like that dude speaks in movie quotes. He speaks in

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Speaker 1: the movie a trip like that guy is an encycling.

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Speaker 1: He's the very first person I met that. Literally, he'll

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Speaker 1: say something like did you come up with that? Or

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Speaker 1: is that from a movie? And like, no, that's from

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Speaker 1: some movie in the nineteen nineties. Like he just remember

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Speaker 1: stuff that I never do. It's weird. It's weird. Baby.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember the conversation we had at dinner a

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Speaker 1: about movies that he that he has seen a decade ago,

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Speaker 1: once or twice. It's it's actually very impressive. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: go tune in. Where can people watch it at? What's YouTube?

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Speaker 1: Well they just type in Ashley Nick Show Down back

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Speaker 1: or Trivia Ashley and Nick into YouTube. It'll come out

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Speaker 1: okay perfect. So Nick and I have you know, been

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Speaker 1: on four seasons respectively of The Bachelor franchise and now

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Speaker 1: Claire beats us with her fifth season. Are we ready

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Speaker 1: to dive in? Let's dive in, Let's dive in? Um? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I got a few texts from a few friends of mine.

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Speaker 1: Uh And in fact, uh, there is an almost famous

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Speaker 1: heard about a scar from the podcast came to it

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Speaker 1: was asking me all about Clear season. I had already

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Speaker 1: seen the episode, so I wasn't giving anything away, but

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, I'm so excited about it too.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that every time. I don't want people

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Speaker 1: that sometimes the season just doesn't connect with me. Well,

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Speaker 1: be the season that we all expected. Right. So Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a few friends this week, um,

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Speaker 1: more like it felt more relatable because of COVID, Like

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Speaker 1: watching Claire, so like, not only do we have Claire

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Speaker 1: so we're feeling for Clear and I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: doing it. Absolutely. Now we just hope for the best.

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Speaker 1: So Ashley, now we hope there's a good enough there's

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Speaker 1: a good selection of men coming out of those limos, definitely,

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Speaker 1: and that's where you step in here. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: stay quiet. Uh, let's run down. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you gotta go by names. I don't know what I

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Speaker 1: I did remember in this list. That's important. Yeah, that's important. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Bennett, how can we not remember Bennett. He's the

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Speaker 1: gentleman of Harvard, as I like to call him, as

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Speaker 1: an ode to this social network. He comes in a Bentley.

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Speaker 1: His name is Bennett. He has a white scarf around

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Speaker 1: Caitlin was. Uh and in correction, it wasn't eventley that

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Speaker 1: he rolled up. It was a Rolls Royce and Ben

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Speaker 1: Your book reminded me that I really have to go

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Speaker 1: because apparently you're like, I, um, my name is um

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Speaker 1: Ben and really great to um uh meet you ladies.

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Speaker 1: Like that's what you say. Oh it was so bad,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, now I look back and I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: being the guy to step into Like it never works,

426
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: So like how do they still do it? Like I

427
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I was so confused. It's like night one night,

428
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: one night one, Like wait four weeks, see what happens.

429
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: See if the guy is still around, see if it's

430
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: getting serious. Then maybe like say something to him, like

431
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: say something to him first and say, hey, like I

432
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: know about this, tell me more, help me understand why

433
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: you did this, so I can either be on your

434
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: team or you know, bring this up to the board

435
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: above you, which would be Claire, but sad night when

436
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: he just goes firing at it, like he had this

437
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: held again, maybe he had it held in for two

438
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: weeks and he was just like, I can't wait to

439
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: tell somebody, I'm freaking out. I know. He just jumped

440
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: into it. The guy didn't even bother him. He wasn't

441
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: even a conversation with the guy. He was not being

442
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: threatened whatsoever. He was like, I'm here and I'm going

443
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: to eliminate him a man myself. It's so crazy. It's

444
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: like you don't even know if Joseph is a threat

445
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: yet in the show, Like you don't even know if

446
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna be around after tonight. So like it's not

447
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: like this is the guy she's falling in love with.

448
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: It's not like this guy has anything like a big

449
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: move for Tyler See, which didn't work out. On the end,

450
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: Tyler See obviously went home, which we're talking a bit

451
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: about who went home and who did. But the the

452
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: Joseph Tyler c drama definitely stole the show for a while,

453
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: which again brings us to what you're saying, a lot

454
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: of guys on this episode we didn't get to see

455
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and clear didn't get to speak with because of that

456
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: drama on night one. Now, how many of those guys

457
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: do you know off top of your head that went

458
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: home didn't get to speak with her, because I feel

459
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: like every guy that she sent home she did get

460
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: to speak with a little bit at least. Um. I

461
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: know Page was upset that he get more time, But

462
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: I do think she made a decision based on who

463
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: she spoke with and who she wasn't feeling. You're saying

464
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: that she you don't think she eliminated anyone that she

465
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: did not speak with. I don't remember her eliminating anybody

466
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 1: she didn't speak with. Well, I do feel like the

467
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: First Roads ceremony in the Second Road ceremony very similar

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: because at that point you really only get like ten

469
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: minutes tops of conversation with everybody unless you have a

470
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: one on one with them the first week. So like, yeah,

471
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: I think that's if if she didn't talk to them,

472
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad that she kept them around for another week

473
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: so they could have a discussion. And if she did

474
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: talk to them and then she didn't feel anything, then

475
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: she was like okay, goodbye. Yeah. It was It is

476
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like physical to attraction like week one

477
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: two is it's like, okay, do we have that chemistry?

478
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: Do we have that vibe? And I attracted to you

479
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: physically and then you typically will send them home and

480
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: she did that. But before she sent people home, we

481
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, Uh, Blake Moyne's

482
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: set out because of his time kind of messaging Claire

483
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: and caring for Claire during this break, which was something

484
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: that we I think both are we're a fan of.

485
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: We think it was a good move on his part. Yeah,

486
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: I loved it, loved it. And then the other big

487
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: moment was just Dale getting the first impression Rose them kissing.

488
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, not a shock at all. I feel like,

489
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: is this this is okay? I don't think this is

490
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: bad to say because she said I feel like that's

491
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: my husband. So that's like a very extreme comment that

492
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: I don't know that Dale could match at this point.

493
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: But I feel like she's more into Dale right now

494
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: than Dale isn'tto her. Yeah, I mean she what we

495
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: do see is that she's like, I mean, you can't

496
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: get any more into somebody. When you say I just

497
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: think I met my future, what I mean, Yeah, Like

498
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: there's no I don't think there's any higher praise for

499
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: the somebody you're into than saying, hey, like I think

500
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry you. Um. So yeah, it's like almost

501
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: an obvious comment that I just said that. Well, I

502
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: think it's a good comment to highlight, though. I think

503
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's obvious, but I think it's fair

504
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: to say because we see this, you know, this dynamic

505
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: right now unfolding in front of us, where Claire is saying,

506
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I just met my husband. We don't

507
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: we haven't heard that from Dale. We don't know Dale's

508
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: opinion of Claire ya, other than the fact that he's interested.

509
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: And we've seen future clips that point to them like

510
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: waking up next to each other, so that seems to

511
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: be some good progress. Yeah, bo. And also with their

512
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: kiss I was gonna say with their kiss, um, she

513
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: definitely like has her hands out ready to grab his face.

514
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: Then he leans in like when he sees that body,

515
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: like where's here, She's like going for him. Yeah, that's

516
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: a good move. I mean, she she kind of gave

517
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: the universal sign for I want to kiss you. You You

518
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: put your hands up in the air and move it

519
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: towards a person's face and see what happens. It's it's

520
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: it's sweet and and but this love story is one

521
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: that is obviously gonna be something we have to watch

522
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: about the season. Nobody, as we mentioned, left this episode

523
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: knowing or not knowing that there was something going on

524
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: with Dale and Claire that was unique and something we

525
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: don't see often. Now to close up this whole thought

526
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: in this whole recap, because I think it's an important note, Ashley,

527
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: what is your just theory on how this progresses? As

528
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: we see Dale and Claire get closer, as we know

529
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: they get closer, and the other guys have to respond,

530
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: what is your theory for how this plays out? I

531
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: feel like she gets to the point where she can't

532
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: fake um being into anybody else, and she's showing so

533
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: much favoritism towards Dale that the guys end up getting

534
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: very mad at her and angelous of Dale. And that's

535
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: when Chris Harrison says we can't continue like this, Claire,

536
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: or whatever he said along those lines, and that's when

537
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: she has to make the decision to just leave with

538
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: Dale or continue this process as it normally would go.

539
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: It's absolutely wild. Um, there was a scene there well,

540
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: there's two things. Chris Harrison is the highlight of my thought.

541
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: One is the comment that we've talked about now for

542
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: two weeks where he made this in that this is

543
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: Claire season start to finish. That is even more confusing

544
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: to me now than it was two weeks ago after

545
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: seeing this first episode, because we know that this something

546
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: happens that dramatically changes the Bachelorette. The second is Chris Harrison.

547
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get a word for word,

548
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: but everybody will know what I'm talking about, and that

549
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: seems time sitting with clear, he goes, um, this is

550
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: not good. This is not good, like he he hints that, like, okay,

551
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: So for me, if I had a bachelor sitting across

552
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: from me that has just fallen so madly in love

553
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: that she's ready to leave, I don't know if Chris

554
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Harrison's typical response. I think he would celebrate love and

555
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: he would go, hey, like I get it, this is

556
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: not okay, like in terms of the show, but this

557
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: is so good to celebrate And maybe he does and

558
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: we just didn't see that part, but it almost did me.

559
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Part of you being like closed off to every other

560
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: man here is not good for us and TV reasons.

561
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: I have a theory that I mean, but she seems

562
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: happy like I had. It felt there that something had

563
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: happened in that moment that was like not good holistically,

564
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: like all around not good. Something had occurred that like

565
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: even like she was upset about I don't know, like

566
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: pointed to more drama than I think we've known about,

567
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: and that might solve the question of is this clear

568
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: season start to finish, like is this is there more

569
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: here than what we understand and know yet? But then

570
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: how do you explain the other guys saying are we

571
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: going to get a new Bachelorette? And then that limo

572
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: pulling up. Oh, I think it's all a big ta sash.

573
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're in for it this season,

574
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: the vast publicity stunt of all time. I think we're

575
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: in for it this season. It's going to be a

576
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: season to watch. Obviously, Night one is uh unique. There

577
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: are people going home that we don't know that we

578
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: will never see again, that will probably forget about unless

579
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: they're like a Joe or uh somebody that comes back

580
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: on Paradise and we have to kind of get reduced,

581
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: reinroduced to them. UM, so let's not stop and talk

582
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: about the guys that got sent home. Uh, it's been

583
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: great to focus on the guys that are still there,

584
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: which obviously Dale and Blake and those standouts have really

585
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: been highlighted Ashley. UM, I know that we have a

586
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: couple of great guests that are coming up really soon

587
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: that we have to get to. This was a great episode.

588
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: It did not disappoint. UM, but let's take a break.

589
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Kelsey and McKenna, uh, and Robert

590
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: Graham about everything Bachelor, their lives, their dating lives, and

591
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: everything they got going on. Yeah, like Christina Shalman. Well, actually,

592
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: we have some hot topics to dive into before we

593
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: break down Claire's episode and before we bring on guests.

594
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: The first one Kim as a shock I saw on

595
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: a headline kind of just like randomly, and uh, it's

596
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Bachelorette alum Luke Parker if you remember, he was on

597
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: Hannah's season lands in and the headline says crippling debt.

598
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can prove that. I don't

599
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: know his financial status, but this part is true. He

600
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: broke uh the contract with ABC. UM, and well, in

601
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: n z K went after it. Uh, this is one

602
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: of the first times ever heard this, Ashley, what do

603
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: we know? Yes, you guys. N z K is the

604
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: production company that produces The Bachelor with Warner Brothers and

605
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: it's aired on ABC. So we sign a contract with

606
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: M d K and a lot of it has to

607
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: do with, you know, following some rules, one of which

608
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: being that you can't do certain media while you're under

609
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: contract without being asked for permission. It's very very obvious

610
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: one and one that we were We were reminded of

611
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot and Luke decided to ignore this, did a

612
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: couple of shows, and they actually went through UM brought

613
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: it to court and he is now obligated to pay

614
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: them ten thousand dollars hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand,

615
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. And I'm so bad with numbers. It's

616
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars. It's a lot of money. Yeah,

617
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: but there's like, also, well there's other clauses in our

618
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: contract and I can just tell you it could have

619
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: been worse. But this is still Verry. This is rough

620
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: for him. This is rough. I mean I never felt

621
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: like the contract restricted me too much. I mean, and

622
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I say that, but like I also don't have a

623
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: bad experience on the show, and so I didn't. I

624
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: don't have anything negative to say, and people listen to

625
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: the podcast know that, Like I just I'm sure some

626
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: people have a bad experience or they feel um misinterpreted

627
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. For me, I didn't have that, So I don't.

628
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: I can't relate with this. What I do know is

629
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money, no

630
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: matter who you are and what you've done. Um. And

631
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I also know that a contracts contract, like you sign

632
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: something knowing that you're agreeing to whatever it is, and

633
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: there isn't anything in there crazy, it's just pretty much Hey,

634
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: like this is still a show that's going to be

635
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: around a while. Don't disclose the secrets of the show,

636
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: which aren't many. Just like, hey, don't bad mouth the show.

637
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: You are a contestant. We are giving you a platform.

638
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: He did it and it came back to buy them. Yeah,

639
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and you know people are going to be like, people

640
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: have broken this rule before. You've done media without asking them,

641
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: but you were never sued. But maybe maybe here there

642
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: is a part that the fact that what he said

643
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: on this media was a negative about them. I think

644
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: we can deny that there's going to be an element

645
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: there definitely well, and he spoke very openly about faith

646
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: in his his belief system, which is something that um

647
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: by title he and I share, you know, we we

648
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: both title yeah, but like there we talked about it

649
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: in previous episodes and you know back there in that season,

650
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: like there's nuances and details to how he communicated and

651
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: what he was communicating that I don't agree with. And

652
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's just that's just any belief system, right.

653
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a thousands upon thousands of denominations because

654
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: people disagree on certain things, and I think anytime you

655
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: start to do that, it gets personal for many. And Uh,

656
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I would say this. One thing I do know is

657
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: if I was a contestant on The Bachelor or Bachelor

658
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: at this season, I think this is UH sending a

659
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: message be don't don't break this, because this isn't just

660
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: a fun little document you signed. This is a lot

661
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: of people's livelihoods and we're going to hold you accountable

662
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: to it. I would be scared. I want to I

663
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: want to do anything without asking. Now I'd be really yeah,

664
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: onto some better news. I would say that, Uh, this

665
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: uh fellow Denver Right, So I live in Denver and

666
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: this guy plays for the Denver Nuggets, Michael Porter Jr.

667
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: He's a rising star in the NBA and uh he

668
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: was Denver's draft pick last year. Uh is bachelor? That

669
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the headline reas Bachelor alum Madison Pruitt sparks romance from

670
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: rumors with NBA player Michael Porter Jr. Ben, have you

671
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: ever met him? I mean, you're like famous in Denver.

672
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: You're not almost same as in Denver. You lur famous

673
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: in Denver. This is my small pond where I'm a

674
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: fish and I get the swim in. Every once in

675
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: a while, I've been in the same room as him.

676
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we've ever like talked. All I

677
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: know is I do I know some other people that

678
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: you know have been around the Nuggets or have played

679
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: for the Nuggets. People speak very highly of him. People

680
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: love him in Denver. He is a rising star. He's

681
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: not quite there yet, but he's a big name in

682
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: the city. He's a big name in the NBA right now. Um.

683
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: I can't speak to him personally at all, but I

684
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: saw this, and I was I smiled because I think

685
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: it works right Madison. I just watched her Instagram videos

686
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: once the headline came out, and I was like, this

687
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: girl loves basketball. She's great at basketball. Um, she's an

688
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: athlete at all levels. And uh, I mean, this looks

689
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: like it would work right, Like this looks like a

690
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: reasonable relationship outside of the fact that if you look

691
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: at pictures, he's like six I don't know, he's like

692
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: six ten and she's not a tall girl like that

693
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: is I mean, that's a big height difference. Cute, but

694
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: it's a big height difference. It's a huge height difference.

695
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this picture. It almost looks like he's

696
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: double her height. I think they're an adorable couple. He's

697
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: twenty two, she's twenty four. Um, they just look really

698
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: nice together. He has a great smile. He's a very

699
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: handsome guy. Um. And what was sparking these rumors? I

700
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: think the rumors may have been flying for a bit,

701
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: but it seems almost official because Michael's sister posted on

702
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: Instagram a picture of her, her husband and Madison and Michael,

703
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: saying my favorite double date. And they're looking pretty snugly

704
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: in this picture, she's holding his hand, which is his arm,

705
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: and his arm is around her shoulders, so they're they're

706
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: definitely cuddly. It's not like one of those uh tabloid

707
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: headlines that says like getting cozy, and they're like just

708
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: standing next to each other, like their act really getting cozy.

709
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: I think they're adorable. And then underneath the picture that

710
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: was captioned my favorite double date, Madison responded love you

711
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: in the comment section, so like she's obviously pretty chummy

712
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: with the sister already. That's great. Hey, Madison has always

713
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: held herself and and handled herself well. Uh she's uh. Um,

714
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: she's just a great shining light. Soy celebrate Madison and

715
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. Wherever that leads. But at least for now,

716
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: we'll say, hey, looks like something uh speaking of romance

717
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: and love. Uh people. Uh. It's headline reads Bachelor in

718
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: Paradise Crystal Neilsen, who's been on the podcast before, kisses

719
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: new Man after Chris Ryan Don't split. Caption reads lean

720
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: into Love. Yeah. I mean I think this was posted

721
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: a couple of hours after we did the podcast last week,

722
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, we really missed it.

723
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: On that fresh hot topic. This is a big one.

724
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: So you guys know that Chris and and Crystal separated

725
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: in February after eight months of marriage. They announced that

726
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: they were going to go through there to go through

727
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: with a divorce this summer. And now she has moved

728
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: on um to another man. She calls him this her

729
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: special person. And she posted a picture and I'm going

730
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: to read you to caption. She said, well, this is

731
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: what she posted on Instagram this week. She goes, So,

732
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: I just posted a photo on Instagram. I'm so excited.

733
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm honestly smiling so big because I have been wanting

734
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: to share this post, in this picture and this special

735
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: person in my life for a while. I just ultimately

736
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: decided that I want to really live in alignment with

737
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: what I coach, and that is to lean into the

738
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: things that make you happy and make you feel good

739
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: and not hide and not hide that, but to fully

740
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: embrace it. It's been so hard to keep this secret

741
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just so so excited if I share it

742
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: with you guys. I know that Chris followed up on

743
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: Instagram by saying like, thank you for those who have

744
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: reached out to me asking if I'm Okay. He also

745
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: I think made a little comment about like what is

746
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: my life? I can't imagine that seeing this was easy

747
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: for him. I have to to say that I feel

748
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: for him. This was This is a moment that every

749
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: person who was split up with somebody else who they

750
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: had strong feelings for obviously going to dread. It's like

751
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: a somebody explain it to me, right, So anytime you

752
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: get out of breakup, no matter if it was the

753
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: right thing, right like, and I'm sure an' about to listen,

754
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: he can relate to this. If you break up, it's

755
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: always going to be weird and heart because you're kind

756
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: of like pulling that person away from your life. You're

757
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: not going to be communicating with them as often when

758
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: you're probably used to communicating with him daily regularly. Um,

759
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be seeing that person. There's gonna be

760
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: no more intimacy at any level. And so then when

761
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: you break up, there is like that void no matter

762
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a healthy breakup and and the

763
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: relationship is healthy, then there's gonna be that void where

764
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: it's like, man, it's it's a good thing, we're done,

765
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: but like it still hurts, It still feels weird maybe,

766
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: and then when you see them dating somebody else, it's

767
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: always the hardest part. It's also I think some of them,

768
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I would argue, like a healthy part, because it's like

769
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: ripping the band aid off right, Like it exposes the

770
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: wound where it needs to be healed and I'm dredging it,

771
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm dretting it, and it's like, oh it's there. It's

772
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: like heart drops and you're like the worst has now happened,

773
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: so it's only and it's like only um, you know,

774
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: uphill from here. Definitely. I remember in past breakups for me,

775
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: like and that hurt can last a while, like that

776
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: just awkwardness and that weird feeling you don't want to

777
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: social media because you don't know what picture is gonna

778
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: be posted or how what you're gonna see, and it

779
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: still fears feels weird, but then it gets better and

780
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're right, Like it's like your your

781
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: heart drops you at the lowest point, and then there's

782
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: healing and uh, you know, good for her, like she's

783
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: found somebody, but hard on him and probably hard on

784
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: her at some level. Two we don't know, but that

785
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: is the headline. Crystal Nielsen announced that she's leaning into love. Uh.

786
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of love, bachelor alum Taylor Nolan introduces new boyfriend

787
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: Zach publicly and says he's not the only person she'll

788
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: have sex with. This according to US Weekly, So as

789
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: you guys know, we've had Taylor on the podcast a

790
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: couple of times. She is very non conventional when it

791
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: comes to relationships and monogamy. She says about her new

792
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: boyfriend and about like relationships in general, that her preference

793
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: of style of relationship is monogamish. I'm pretty sure she

794
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: said that exact word. Well here on Almost Famous, she

795
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: says that she um prefers to be consensually non monogamous.

796
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: So obviously like her and this guy are in this together.

797
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: They both no, I guess it's like an open relationship, right,

798
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: so they've agreed upon this. They have agreed upon this. Um.

799
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: She does say that past partners have thought that her

800
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: needs and desires have been unrealistic to ask for in

801
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: a relationship, but it looks like she's very happy with this.

802
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Her new man named Zach, who she met at a

803
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: fireside conference at Camp Walden in Ontario, Canada. He's twenty seven. Um.

804
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: They have been seeing each other for a while, but

805
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: they just made it official within the past month or so.

806
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, so she went from kind of teasing

807
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: him on her Instagram to now being full on out

808
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: there in a non monogamous relationship. It's uh, you know,

809
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Taylor has always been one to um teach or to

810
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: highlight things in society or especially in physical relationships. Um

811
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that I've never really like heard of her like understood.

812
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: And Taylor has always been the person we bring onto

813
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: the podcast to talk about that because she's very open.

814
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: She has her own podcast about it. Um. This is

815
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: another step where I go, huh, never really thought about this.

816
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how it works but for me, but

817
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: for you okay, yeah, and and for probably many others

818
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: out there. And so Taylor is is taking the stand.

819
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: She has announced new boyfriend Zach um Well Ashley, one

820
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: of your favorite people in Bachelor Nation. Uh, and I

821
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: know you love this person dearly. Uh just stunts this week,

822
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: I mean just literally like model. Oh my gosh, it's incredible.

823
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: And uh, she's just a beautiful soul inside and out.

824
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Pregnant Jade Roper stunts and maternity picks as she prepares

825
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: for third baby with Tanner Tolbert. This according to US

826
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: Weekly as well. You guys, if you haven't seen these pictures,

827
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: go over to Jade's into instagram right now. She did

828
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: this insanely gorgeous photo shoot. She looks like a pregnant

829
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: victorious secret Joel. She has these beautiful couture wings on

830
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: the girl. The designer Leah Maria. She sent them to

831
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: her to borrow for the shoot, and she looks more

832
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: beautiful than ever. She feels so good about herself. She

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: said that she really wanted to do something fun, artistic,

834
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: really beautiful because and feel like a like a pregnancy

835
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: goddess because this pregnancy so special, it being probably her last.

836
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: She said, pregnancy is so hard on your body. I

837
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: just wanted to celebrate the good parts of it. So

838
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: head over to her instagram. They're so stunning. Everybody needs

839
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: to now tell me if I'm wrong here, But I

840
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: remember in the past, like Jade has been very open about,

841
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, the struggles of pregnancy, like the kind of

842
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: like not feeling great and even after having the baby,

843
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: like postpartum like um depression, and like she's always been

844
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: somebody that again I've learned from through that pregnancy process. Uh.

845
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: And so for me, I saw these pictures and it's like,

846
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: you go, holy, Like, how awesome is it that she

847
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: feels so good right now about herself and her body

848
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: because she should that she's doing this photo shoot to

849
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: highlight just how great she feels and how like momentous

850
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: this moment is. This is a big deal for her,

851
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: right Oh yeah, definitely, And like, you know, ask Jade

852
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: and she'll be like, did part of me just want

853
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: to sleep all day? And you know, just and not

854
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: dress up like this totally because she does keep it

855
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: very real. She's been talking about how she's just ready

856
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: for this baby to come out, but she also wants

857
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: to celebrate her body for all that it does and

858
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: all that it's been through. And I'm glad that she

859
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: made this moment for herself. I really do feel like though,

860
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: actually and they're friends of ours, but like every time

861
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we do this podcast, we talked about

862
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: j being pregnant, like she has been pregnant for a

863
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: long time, between pregnancy and nursing, like she hasn't been

864
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: able to have a drink like in the past our years. Seriously,

865
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it's it's definitely getting on her,

866
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: you know body. You know, she's definitely feeling the effects

867
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: of having three babies so close together, and they definitely are,

868
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, she says in this article, thinking that this

869
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: could be their last, like they planned on having four,

870
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: but this, this third one, feels like they're ready to

871
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: get out of a little kid phase and start being

872
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: able to have a little bit more freedom with kids.

873
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, you know, when you're in that like five, five, six, seven,

874
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: you're able to start like going on vacations and totting

875
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: them around a little bit more often. I mean, just

876
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: awesome though, great pictures, good for Jade, uh and good

877
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: for Tanner. Uh. Well. Actually, a few weeks ago, I

878
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: remember there were rumors swirling that Dean and Kalin had split,

879
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: that people were wondering, really, oh they were. They were

880
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: definitely rumors going around the internet saying, hey, where they

881
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: haven't been together because they did take a week apart. Yeah,

882
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: week a week apart. Well, we know know that's just

883
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: not true, because Kalen and Dean are in the Maldives vacationing. Uh.

884
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: They did announce that they tested negative for COVID multiple

885
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: times before going, but they have highlighted their trip on

886
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: social media, and it's been awesome to watch because, of

887
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: course Dean and Heilan are just great at producing film

888
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: and content. You know, they're incredible at it. Yeah, Oh,

889
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Jared and I want to go to the Maldives now.

890
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: Of course, it's like the greatest advertisement ever. Jared's like

891
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: the person who doesn't want to leave his home state

892
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: ever and things that, like it provides everything he'll ever

893
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: need in life. But then he sees their footage from

894
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the Maltives and he's like, yeah, I could take a

895
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: six It could take a flight for this, And as

896
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: Calin says, she said, it was three planes and a boat. Yeah,

897
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: three flights to COVID tests, a boat ride and then

898
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: finally to the mal thieves. And I think like we

899
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: should just we should clarify that they have taken all

900
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: the safety precautions possible. Uh. Dean said that he was

901
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: not really worried about getting sick himself, but that he

902
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: was concerned about getting somebody else sick. He said that

903
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: the airline they took Qatar, took very strict protocols um

904
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: to make them feel very comfortable, and um they yeah,

905
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: they've been tested negative multiple times. So shield on the

906
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: plane for a long long time. We've been doing this

907
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: podcast for a while. Ashley, I wonder if we should

908
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: do a live vir from the Maldis. I feel like

909
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: that's a good mood for us, right, it's pretty pretty

910
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: fair request. Could I could I go as far as

911
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: saying we deserve it? No, that doesn't feel right. Maybe

912
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: maybe we would like to Yeah, that'd be good. Okay,

913
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: Well here's a shoutout. We get a message from our

914
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: producers on the zoom. They go, great idea, guys. Um, well,

915
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: if Qatar wants to hook us up with the same

916
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: seats that Kaylin and Dean had on their flight, I'll

917
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: be there. So hey, guitar, no questions asked? Well, Ashley,

918
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: coming up after this, uh we uh, we will have

919
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: a few guests coming on to continue to break down

920
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Claire's episode. Um and uh, it's gonna be great to

921
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: talk to them and uh and then we'll get out

922
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: of here. This has been an awesome episode. It's been

923
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: really great just to have a show to talk about,

924
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: to have headlines to talk about. Uh. It feels like

925
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: we've never left, but in a sense, it feels like

926
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: we're back and we're back and grooving again. Uh, we'll

927
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back, we'll have Robert

928
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Graham on uh talking everything Claire season as we tease

929
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: before the break. Uh, Robert Graham is on the line now, Robert.

930
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: This is his first time to the almost Famous podcast.

931
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: So welcome to the family. Thank you so much, appreciate

932
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: season right. I was, I was. Yeah, so we had

933
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: des Ray season Bachelor Paradise Season one. Were you ever

934
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: on a Bachelor pad? I was out on the Bachelor

935
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: of Pad. I was on season one of Paradise, and

936
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: that was the end of my bachelor days. But it

937
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: wasn't really because you've been such a friend of the

938
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: contestants since you've been on the show. You dated back

939
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: at Tilly um, yes, and you've hung around like you've

940
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: been at the stage coaches you know that are so

941
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: talked about. I have been at the stage coaches. A

942
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of those I've never been. I've never been. I Uh,

943
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: you're missing out. It's fun. I bet, yeah, I h

944
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: I never made it the stage coach, but I've heard

945
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: so many things about it, and they all seem uh intriguing.

946
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Uh they say the least uh. So Yeah, anyways, Uh, Robert, Uh,

947
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: where are you living now? I'm in l A. Still.

948
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I live over in Santa Monica. Okay, that's how. That's

949
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: how you get invited the stage Coach. I've always wondered.

950
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: I've said it on the podcast before. I've never got

951
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: invited the stage coach. But one day I plan on

952
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: being there. If it ever comes back, we'll go together.

953
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: It sounds great. Man. So you were on Bachelor Paradise

954
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: one with Claire. No, I don't think you ever had

955
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: a romantic storyline with Claire, right, No, no romantic storyline

956
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: with Claire. Zach had I had that, I guess somewhat.

957
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: But now we were just friends. So like, tell us

958
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: about like your relationship with her while you were there

959
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: and you know her talking to the raccoon and all that. Well,

960
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a relationship prior. Um, we were

961
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: friends before going on the show, and and then we

962
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: were on the show and we obviously knew each other,

963
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: so it was it was a pretty easy thing between us. Um,

964
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: we got along really well. We actually went out. I

965
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: think it was the first date of the show. For

966
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: one of the first dates of the show was her

967
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: and I. UM and I believe she has. She did

968
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: go on a date. Yeah, we did. We went on

969
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: the first date. Um, I believe of the show, and uh,

970
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: we had a good time. It was it was it

971
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: was fun, she asked me. Think I was just saying,

972
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: she asked me because we knew each other prior to

973
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: the show, and um, I think it was it's more

974
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: of like, you know, priple with you, this will be

975
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: a fun day. Let's go have a good time rather

976
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: than a romantic thing. Did you guys ever kiss? No, No,

977
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: we didn't. I think I attempted to kiss her in

978
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: the ocean, and she turned her head to the side

979
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: and asked her telling anybody. I was like, listen, I

980
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: think they might have got that on camera, but please God,

981
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: don't tell them that you just denied me in the ocean.

982
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: That would be bad. And she didn't. So that was good.

983
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. Um, so you had a girlfriend for

984
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: a while, Is that no longer? That is no longer? No, Yeah,

985
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: we broke up. I'm sorry about that. To you, guys

986
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: were cute together sorright, um, But recently it looks like

987
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: you've been getting cute and cuddly with Christina Shulman. Christina

988
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: and I are just friend have been friends for a

989
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: long time. Um, so we just hang out and and yeah,

990
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: we're just we're just friendly. We hang out and and

991
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: have good time and known each other for a while.

992
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of that. I feel like I

993
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: remember like there was one point where you guys may

994
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: have been like sort of seeing each other. Do you

995
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: ever think that you could get to that point again?

996
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: Because you know, the best relationships come out of friendship. Um,

997
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love Christina, She's great. I mean,

998
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: we have a really good time together and we get

999
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: along really really well. Um, So I guess you never know,

1000
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, something something could come a bit maybe at

1001
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: some point, but right now, yeah, we're just we're just friends. Okay,

1002
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: all right, sounds promising. Alright, So you know we saw

1003
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: the episode, we see her infatuation with Dale. Is Dale

1004
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: a kind of guy that you would picture Claire with?

1005
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: And and how would how would you describe a man

1006
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: that you would picture Claire to be with? Like what's

1007
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: her type? And what is um the qualities that you

1008
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: think she needs to have? Yeah for Claire, UM, I

1009
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: think you know, she's got to have a really strong

1010
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: man in her life somebody that's very confident. Um, you know,

1011
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: I think I think Claire's a strong woman and she

1012
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: knows what she wants and uh and she's gonna let

1013
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: you know. So I think I think, um, you know,

1014
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: he's got to be confident, uh, strong, successful, knows what

1015
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: he wants out of the relationship, and um, you know

1016
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: it is going to kind of be okay with with

1017
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: having somebody that's that's his his equal in terms of

1018
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, their confidence levels and and who they are

1019
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: as people. All Right, all right, well we will see

1020
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: and I feel like fewer weeks than we normally see, um,

1021
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: how this story ends for her. Thank you so much

1022
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: for joining us, Robert. We really appreciate it, and hopefully

1023
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: we'll have you back, um, you know, without four years

1024
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: going by. Yeah, yeah, well we'll do it again soon.

1025
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a great day and I'll

1026
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: talk to you so. Thank you. You You do by as

1027
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: promised earlier on the episode we just had Rupper Graham on.

1028
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Now we have two people that were gonna dive deep

1029
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: with I mean, we're gonna hold nothing back. Kelsey and

1030
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: McKenna are here to talk to us on the almost

1031
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: famous podcast. Hello girls. Hi, Okay, yeah, I have one

1032
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: question right off the bat that I just want to

1033
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: start with. Um, after seeing the guys on Claire's season,

1034
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: you two are obviously potential. Um, Bachelor in Paradise contestants

1035
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: don't even stand out to you that you go, Hey,

1036
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: I hope Claire doesn't choose him because I would like

1037
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: to give it a shot. Yeah, I have a few,

1038
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: but I never like to judge a book by its cover.

1039
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh come on, Yeah, there's there's three right off the

1040
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: bat that I am attracted to. But also the photos

1041
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: never do people justice. So um, you know, it's more

1042
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: fun for me, Like I have my favorites obviously, but

1043
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 1: to watch it through the season. Um, but right now

1044
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Yeah uh, I thought Jason was really

1045
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: cute too, and then um, I was intrigued with Robbie

1046
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: as well. Those were probably my top three right now,

1047
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: but it could change. Okay, okay, what about you. I

1048
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: haven't really like, really looked at anyone really much. Um

1049
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: Brandon's looking he seems like kind of like my type

1050
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um tyler C. I can't believe there's

1051
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: another Tyler Ce. Interesting. Um, now, when you see the episode,

1052
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: and you guys, we do record this before the general

1053
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: public could see its. So Kelsey and McKenna haven't seen

1054
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: the episode. I will. I'll promise you that you will

1055
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: not be interested in Tyler see after you see it. Wow,

1056
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: mcken is actually not watching it, so I'll have to

1057
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: fill in on why not what happens. I don't know

1058
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: if I'm ready to watch the show yet. Um, it's

1059
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: had a longer break than anybody else has ever had.

1060
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm ready to great right now. Um, you know interesting,

1061
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: I would be down to do Paradise yet, so we'll see. Okay. Well, Um,

1062
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's a little bit rougher on your

1063
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: group of girls, Peter's group of girls because there wasn't

1064
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: a Paradise season, so you you girls will be combined

1065
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: with Matt James's girls in competition to get Paradise spots.

1066
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: Does that stress you and the other girls of Peter's

1067
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: season out? Um? I can't speak for the other girls.

1068
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean a lot can change in a year, and

1069
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: we had a longer break, so there are a lot

1070
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: of girls from our season that are coupled up and

1071
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: who yeah, a lot of people are really Sydney Sydney.

1072
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Interesting meeting a football player. M beautiful, she's staying she's

1073
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: even more studying in person. Maddie's I don't know if

1074
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: they're official, but she's dating a basketball player. Um, there's

1075
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of athletes. Uh, the girls have coupled up

1076
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: with who else? What about Hannah and Hannah and single?

1077
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: She's my life? Yeah, she's good. Um, I just think,

1078
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it doesn't happen until the summer,

1079
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: so a lot can happen in between then two. So

1080
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: we'll see, but um, I'll be open to it. Yeah,

1081
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: are you too like at all? And it's not even

1082
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: like are you gonna stay single? So that there's that chance?

1083
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: Are you both saying now, we'll see what happens. But

1084
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: I personally want to see what happens. Like I think

1085
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: if Paradise would have happened when you're supposed to, it

1086
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: would have been a lot harder for me to go

1087
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: on the show, just because I had I had a

1088
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: lot to decompress after the show, especially emotionally, and so um,

1089
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: now if it was happening, I would, But I also

1090
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: if someone great comes along, I'm not going to skip

1091
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: out on the opportunity just so I can go on

1092
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: a show. Well, we thought we were going to rule

1093
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: out Victoria Fuller from going on Paradise back, you know,

1094
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: when she got with Crystals, But now Paradise didn't happen,

1095
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: and Crystals and her are no longer together. Do you

1096
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: have any insight that you're willing to share about what

1097
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: went what went down there? No, I just think I

1098
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: mean I introduced them, and I knew that their lives were,

1099
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, different, and she tried it, and I think

1100
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: if the circumstances were different, then it could have worked out,

1101
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: and it still could. I just think she's at a

1102
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: different place in her life than he is. And I

1103
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: mean she loves him to death. He's such a great guy,

1104
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: as you know, and um, she wants the best for him.

1105
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: And I know they still keep in touch, but I

1106
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: think she just knows romantically right now, it's just not

1107
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: in the cards for them, gotcha, Because he's like, I

1108
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: feel like a little bit more like I want to

1109
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: be with the person that I'm going to have a

1110
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: family with, and she's more like, I'm I'm free and

1111
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: fun to data around for a bit. Um, I would

1112
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: say that I just don't know. She's fully like ready

1113
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: to make that commitment yet got I think a lot

1114
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: of people were wondering, like, Okay, it's not Iowa, if

1115
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: you're going to move to Montana because she doesn't announced

1116
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: this week that she's moving to Mondy. No, No, she's

1117
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: there for her birthday. Wait why did she say she

1118
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: was moving there? No? I think she said she was

1119
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: going on a trip, and because she had said earlier

1120
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: she was moving, everyone just assumed she was. I saw

1121
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: that tune was like, where did people come up with this?

1122
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: But no, she just she's there for her birthday was

1123
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks are last week, and so yeah,

1124
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: she's out there. McKenna, I want to talk to you

1125
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: for a second. You made a comment earlier and we

1126
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: just kind of glanced over. But I really want to

1127
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: hear why, Um, you're not ready to watch the show,

1128
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: which is a personal choice and there's obviously reasons why.

1129
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: Um can we dive into that a bit please. Yeah.

1130
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: I think it was just like, um, it was tough

1131
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: for me to watch the show over Um, I don't know.

1132
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm not really ready to like three people

1133
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: comments online and like to tell they treat people and

1134
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: just it's tough. That's fair. That's fair. So, I mean

1135
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: that's always an important thing that I think our listeners

1136
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: need to get a picture into is like we always

1137
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: talk about it, there is these moments where the show

1138
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: meets reality, right, like your your life is affected by

1139
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: the things on the show, and it's obvious that yours

1140
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: has been. Um, is this more of Hey, you don't

1141
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: really want to read the comments directed it yourself or

1142
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: the other contestants because that still brings back, you know, trauma. Yeah,

1143
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: I think it definitely brings back with a dark time

1144
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: and oh I can't get emotional over it. But yeah,

1145
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's fair, right, I mean, like this is uh,

1146
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: this is this thing that we all do hoping that um,

1147
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun and like you know, I've always

1148
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: said it, like everybody goes into this. What doesn't get

1149
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: to see is there's no training for this. And when

1150
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: when I did the show, my only hope as the

1151
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: bachelor was in my prayer was like, hey, I just

1152
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: hope girls leave this Glad they did it. Like that's

1153
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: that's about all I can do and say and like

1154
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: hope for and because everything else is out of anybody's control.

1155
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: MC are you glad you did this? You know what

1156
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: I am because I think I grew a lot as

1157
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: a person, and um, I mean Kelsey and I talked

1158
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: every single day and so, um it was tough. But um,

1159
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: I think if I didn't do it, I wouldn't be

1160
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: who I am today. So like, I am proud of it.

1161
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: And it just was like a really tough experience for

1162
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: me personally. So did you ever imagine that it would

1163
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: be the way it was in the after effects would

1164
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 1: be like that for you? Um? No, Like I thought

1165
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: I was going to have like this incredible experience and

1166
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna be good. I think I just I

1167
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: cared too much what people thought of me too. Like

1168
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: if I could go back and the experience, I wish

1169
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: I just like it was myself and just like I

1170
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: don't do that early on. Um, it's not easy dating

1171
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: the same one guy with you know, thirty girls and

1172
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: you have these incredib double girls there and um, it's

1173
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: tough not to compare yourself, right, So I think I

1174
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: definitely struggled with that and coming out of it too,

1175
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: and you know, reading vertical comments online and um, but

1176
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: it definitely helped me grow and I don't regret it. Um.

1177
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of things that happened

1178
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: that I think I was kind of like, UM, struggling

1179
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: with my personal life and didn't really want to um

1180
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: talk about it. Or I think just like even me

1181
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: standing up on the show, I think that was like

1182
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: such an important lesson that I needed to learn and UM, yeah,

1183
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm surroundling now, but that's important. It's

1184
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: really is the one you know, like the one thing

1185
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: on this podcast US that I think always helps, especially

1186
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: as the season is airing, is bringing on past contestants

1187
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: that can speak from personal experience and say, hey, like

1188
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: this is yes, it's a it's a reality television show.

1189
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: Yes this is wild. Yes it's going to be dramatic,

1190
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: but it also is real and it affects in ways

1191
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: that are both good and bad. I don't I don't

1192
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: want to lean into this too far, but I just

1193
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: think that it's important for anybody. Know what you you

1194
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: mentioned that you've you don't think you'd be the person

1195
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: you are today without the show. UM, what things have

1196
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: you learned about yourself? What things have you processed, UM

1197
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: that you're proud of Where you sit in that chair today,

1198
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I think I've definitely become more of a competent person. Um.

1199
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I can really just be myself now,

1200
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: and I know who I am and I know what

1201
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: I want, especially in love and a relationship. And I

1202
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of times I didn't think I was

1203
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: like worthy of love or I didn't have a like know,

1204
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: a voice and like standing up for myself. And I

1205
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: think being put in situations that I was on the show,

1206
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: or just you know, you know, being viewed by you know,

1207
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: six million people every week is not the easiest thing

1208
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: to do and having these opinions, and I think it

1209
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: definitely made me a stronger person, you know, have thicker skin. Um.

1210
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: And I think that's just kind of what I've taken

1211
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: away from it. It's just really knowing who I am

1212
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: now and loving who I am, even though it was

1213
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: a really tough experience. And you know, I've gotten so

1214
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: many messages from you know, younger girls just saying like they,

1215
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they can stand up for themselves now,

1216
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: or um, they feel worthy of love just from watching

1217
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: me on the show, and like that is so incredible.

1218
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, um, I feel like it was like a

1219
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: really big moment in my life, and I grew up

1220
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, I'm still growing every day.

1221
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: I totally feel those lessons I've learned very similar ones

1222
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: from the show. Um I know that Ben and I

1223
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, we're always on this podcast speaking so highly

1224
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: of our experience on the show. I mean, like when

1225
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: I talk about it, I smile. Um euroupset Kelsey, how

1226
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: did you What kind of experience did you have? Because

1227
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: I like the fact that viewers or listeners are able

1228
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: to see different perspectives on how the show changes you.

1229
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: Um well, I mean I knew going in I have

1230
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: a hard time keeping my mouth shut, so um I

1231
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: my my mom and stepdad were both like, please don't

1232
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: cuss as much as you do, and be like, be

1233
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 1: mindful of what you're saying. Like, my family is always

1234
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: known I'm an emotional person, but I didn't realize going

1235
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: on the show that my emotions were going to be

1236
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: heightened to a place that I've never experienced before. Um.

1237
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: You know, like all crying movies or something really was me.

1238
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: I'll cry or I'm sad, I'll cry Like I have

1239
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: no problem showing that. But I literally cried at everything

1240
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't even understand but I almost feel like

1241
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: my body was releasing like energy that was so built up,

1242
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: and that's why I cried so much. You know how

1243
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: people release energy differently, like I honestly feel like mine

1244
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: was through crying, and I wish it wasn't like that,

1245
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: but it was, and I'm okay with it now. It um,

1246
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: But you know, I got a lot of death threats,

1247
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: especially after Champagne Gay. I got a lot of people

1248
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: telling me to go kill myself. Um. Some of those

1249
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: messages that they showed on the Women Tell All were

1250
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: my messages. And the thing that I didn't realize going

1251
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: into is I knew it could be a negative impact

1252
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: on me or like my emotional or my mental health,

1253
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it to have an impact on

1254
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: my family. And I think that that was the hardest

1255
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: part for me, was seeing them seeing me go through

1256
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: the different emotions, like the highs, the lows, reliving my relationship,

1257
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: reliving moments that I would never want to relive. Um,

1258
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: partly because you know of my own choices and I

1259
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: can own that, but it's it's a lot, you know,

1260
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: when you go through an experience like that and then

1261
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: you have to relive it in a way that you know,

1262
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: you prove everyone perceives their reality in a certain way,

1263
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: and then you watch it another way. In some of

1264
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: it you remember that way, in others you don't. But

1265
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not that it's's the show twisting it.

1266
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: It's just there's so many different parts that you don't

1267
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: know is going on that it just I don't know.

1268
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: It was a lot for me, it really was. But

1269
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: um And I've never struggled with anxiety or depression or

1270
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: anything like that, and I definitely went through that. But um,

1271
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I did a lot of soul searching, which is why,

1272
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: like I want to be single. Um I said in

1273
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: our podcast that McKenna I did that November three will

1274
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: be a year from when I got home, and I

1275
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: haven't dated anybody since, and I wanted to take a

1276
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: year off from dating just to like really focused on me,

1277
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm ready for my next person.

1278
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: Um And I think my family needed a break too,

1279
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: from all the craziness that I've caused them this year.

1280
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: But I mean with it though, we had a lot

1281
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 1: of fun, Like every Monday, I'd go over to my family's.

1282
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: We'd have a couple of people over and watch you know,

1283
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm going to miss that, but not

1284
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: the messages that my family had to get. And like,

1285
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, even after Champagne Gate, my mom got messages

1286
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: from people, how could you raise a daughter like that?

1287
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: Like you should be ashamed of yourself, and that those

1288
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: were my mom's actions, those were my actions, So why

1289
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: are you My mom was embarrassed like she didn't. She

1290
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: didn't raise me like that, so for people to judge

1291
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: her was like hard on me. Such an interesting experience

1292
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: and it when you sit down and have conversations that

1293
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: we don't get to have very often, right, I mean

1294
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: you kind of come off the show and you sit

1295
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: in your own little silos, especially when up pandemic hits,

1296
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: and you don't realize that, um, you're not alone, like

1297
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: you feel super alone because you just like you're processing

1298
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: this whole experience that you didn't know how to deal

1299
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: with when you even went into it. And then you

1300
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: get broken up with and maybe there's pain there, but

1301
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: there's also pain then when it re airs and there's

1302
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: the opinions. Um, the interesting part and maybe I just

1303
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: we get to sit in a seat it's a little

1304
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: bit different than the rest and we're gonna get to

1305
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: the seat that you guys are gonna be sitting in

1306
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: with your podcast here very soon. Um. But when we

1307
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: get to Snarci, what actually and I've learned is that

1308
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: everybody has very real experience from the show and that

1309
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: you're never alone. Like we've get to hear those stories,

1310
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: we get to process information with people, we get to

1311
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: talk with people over and over again that come off

1312
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: the show, and we've had struggles but also great stories

1313
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: from the show. And the cool part is it's just

1314
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: what what I've learned and seen is that like, you're

1315
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: never alone in those moments, and if you feel like

1316
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: you were push aside, let me get Let me say

1317
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: this for a second. So a few weeks ago, we

1318
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: had something that happened on the podcast that was unfortun

1319
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: and I misspoke and said some really stupid stuff. And

1320
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: I called my buddy Nick Vile, who's on the show,

1321
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: and I said, Man, I feel so often, like almost daily,

1322
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: that it's so easy for people to hate me, Like,

1323
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: why is it so easy for people to hate me?

1324
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: Why is it so easy for people to turn their

1325
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 1: backs on me? When when we're all just kind of

1326
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: trying here And he told me this, and I'll never forget.

1327
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: He goes been. How you're feeling now is how most

1328
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: people that come off the show fuel all the time.

1329
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: So I just want to tell you both, you're not

1330
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: alone in this and it's it's great to hear from you.

1331
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: Thank you for opening up and being vulnerable with us. Mhm.

1332
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: But with that, there was good parts that came I

1333
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: it was all like negative. Um, it's just things that

1334
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: you don't think about. Yeah, we're gonna get to the

1335
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: good stuff. We're gonna dive into the good stuff. We're

1336
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Clear Season. I have I have some

1337
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: things that I want to hear from you. Actually, I

1338
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: haven't even told you my theory yet, but I have

1339
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: a theory about Clear Season that will make this to

1340
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: most dramatic season of all time. When we come back

1341
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: with the Almost Famous podcast, I'm gonna ask you all

1342
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, sounds good. We're back with almost famous podcast.

1343
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: We have our guest Kelsey and mckinna with us. Uh, ladies.

1344
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: I have a theory. Tell me if I'm crazy, Okay,

1345
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: So uh, we all know and we've talked about it

1346
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: openly that when you come onto the show as a contestant.

1347
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: You're locked inside a hotel room for a few days

1348
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: as you get some testing done. You do, do questionnaires,

1349
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: you do you're like your marketing materials for the show,

1350
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: like all that happens, right, and those are usually I

1351
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: want to say, three days give her a take. Where

1352
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: you're kind of isolated in the room. It's not torture

1353
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: by any means. They feed you, they water you, they

1354
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: make sure you have, you know, drink if you need it.

1355
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: But but it's just kind of a prep time for

1356
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: them to get to know you better. I do think

1357
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: those three days heightened my anxiety and my emotions, but

1358
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: also my peacefulness. Like I had a lot of time

1359
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: to meditate and pray and even to like do weird

1360
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: tower workouts in the in the room, like I didn't.

1361
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: I was unhealthy coming out of it, But when I

1362
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: finally got out of my hotel room, I was so um.

1363
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: I had almost forgotten what the real world felt like

1364
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: in a sense. Right, I was isolated. Now, this is

1365
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: a long speech to ask you this question, but I

1366
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: wanted to set it up. These guys had to be

1367
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: in a hotel room, I don't know, for eight days,

1368
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: probably because they had to get tested two or three times. Um,

1369
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: they had to be isolated alone. Uh, they had months

1370
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: to sit and kind of think about this show, so

1371
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: they didn't really know what they're getting into, and then

1372
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: they're putting aside the palm springs in a resort. I

1373
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: have a theory that these guys were so had so

1374
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: much emotional build up inside of them that there was

1375
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: so much like inside their bodies by being quarantined for

1376
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: eight days in a room alone, that they were going

1377
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to come off this show and have the most dramatic

1378
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: season ever at least a first couple episodes, because they

1379
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: had so much to output. Now agree, disagree, let me

1380
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: hear what you think, all right, Yeah, I would agree.

1381
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, remember how excited I was to get out

1382
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: of the hotel room and like move into the mansion

1383
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: or like experience that person night. But you know, a

1384
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: week in there and you're you know, six ft five

1385
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: months of waiting to even film, like I would be going,

1386
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: it would be just a surreal experience. You don't know

1387
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: how to act and like how it's going to go,

1388
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's just going to be like a Gong show,

1389
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: crazy experience. I think the first couple episodes are definitely

1390
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit wild. I think that. Yeah,

1391
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: the three days is almost healthy, Like I think it's good.

1392
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: It's introspective, it is meditative. Is that a word? Um?

1393
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, like really centers you, focuses you, and then

1394
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: it makes like human interaction feel so fresh and exciting.

1395
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: But you're right, eight days if that is how long

1396
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: they had to quarantine is a long time, and that

1397
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 1: may be borderline. I'm healthy, I do. I mean, but

1398
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: they're not alone in this, Like a lot of people

1399
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: have quarantine alone. Right. People are gonna listen this episode

1400
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: be like that's ridiculous. I've been in my house now

1401
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: for four months quarantine alone. But here's the point. Yes,

1402
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: that's such a good point, Battan, Thank you for bringing

1403
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: it up. Time alone, isolated, like people have to be

1404
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: like losing their marbles a little bit. Like it's fair

1405
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: to say, like, hey, if you're feeling little down and out,

1406
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: or if you're feeling emotional, or you're feeling like weird,

1407
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: right now, this whole thing has been weird. Like we've

1408
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: quarantined alone for months now, human interaction hasn't happened. I

1409
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: don't know the last time I gave somebody a hug,

1410
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: like outside of my family. Um, I'm just I watched

1411
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: this episode Ladies, and I was like, I cannot imagine

1412
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: going into an experience. I have no clue what I'm

1413
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: getting myself into, being so excited, so nervous, so anxious,

1414
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: and then being told okay, eight days of two weeks

1415
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: and we don't know how long they're in there. But like,

1416
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: now you're stuck. I'd be like, I can't, Like, I don't,

1417
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with myself. I have

1418
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: a bigger question. You know how normally the beginning of

1419
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: the three or four nights that we get before a

1420
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 1: season starts, you have to they take your phone on

1421
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: your computer immediately. Do you think they think they'd let

1422
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: these guys have their phone in their computer for a

1423
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: few days in there? I think, what do you guys?

1424
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: What do you think I think that they did? At least,

1425
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 1: because wasn't there a girl on TikTok that was like

1426
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,799
Speaker 1: boasting a thing that never said it was for the Bachelor,

1427
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: but everyone knew it was from this past season, from

1428
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: from math season. M hm, So maybe they never learned

1429
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: their lesson McKenney, You didn't think they would you've been

1430
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: a part of it. Do you think they took their

1431
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: phones and stuff? Yeah? I think they definitely just for

1432
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: that long, but everything you can watch TV chill, Yeah,

1433
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: I think they did, guys, I really think they did.

1434
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: Here's my point. This is unique, this is wild. I

1435
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: am glad that this wasn't my season that I was on,

1436
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: because give you put me two weeks in a hotel

1437
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: room alone, like weird stuff is gonna happen, Like like

1438
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: there's no way you want a hidden camera in that

1439
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: room because like I'm gonna be dancing, I'm gonna be

1440
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: working out, I'm gonna be like trying to find ways

1441
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: entertain myself. Like it isn't gonna be pretty. I started talking.

1442
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: I started looking out the window during my first Bachelor

1443
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: quarantine before Chris this season, and on the last afternoon,

1444
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: like the one before you're starting to get dressed up

1445
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: to go into limo, I was looking out the window

1446
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: and making up stories for the people that were coming

1447
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: in to check into the hotel. I was like, they're

1448
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: here for a wedding, They're here like visiting their kids.

1449
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: Like it was so wild. Oh that's so good. Well, hey,

1450
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: that was my theory. I think it's going to be crazy. UM,

1451
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: definitely going to be a different season. Yeah, it's going

1452
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: to be different. Well, McKinnon and Kelsey, I know that

1453
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: actually had a few questions for you guys, uh and uh,

1454
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: and I want to give her the space to do it.

1455
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: I do want to kind of close this chapter of

1456
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: our interview off and say thank you, UM for speaking openly. Uh,

1457
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: You're not alone in this. UM. I know that's a

1458
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: lot of process right now, can I I think you

1459
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: know I didn't watch Joe Joe's season. I thought, well,

1460
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: I was in a relationship that probably would have made

1461
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: it weird to watch it. But UM, but I I

1462
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to watch it emotionally. I it was it

1463
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: was too tough too. So UM, I applaud you for

1464
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: you know, doing what's best for you. And Kelsey, thank

1465
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: you for opening up about your experience on this show.

1466
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: I think it will give all of our listeners, including

1467
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: Ashley and I, a perspective, especially watching these two seasons

1468
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of back to back on what these contestants are

1469
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: going through. Also, I want to end it here and

1470
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: get off my soapbox and say, if you're listening to

1471
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: this and you are one of those bullies out there

1472
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: trolling the contestants know it affects them deeply, and you

1473
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: should stop right now because it's not fun in games.

1474
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: We see it, we hear it, we feel it, um,

1475
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: and it's just never a good thing to be the

1476
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: person to cause harm ever, So ended there, actually take

1477
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 1: it away. See, you guys were part of my husband

1478
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: and Dean's podcast, their spinoff, so it's helped by Second Dating.

1479
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: That's Jared and Dean's weekly podcast, and now they have

1480
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: a new spinoff called What a Girl Wants, and your

1481
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: episode where the two of you talk about dating is

1482
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: now out there on I Heart radios, podcasts and anywhere

1483
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. So you guys both were pretty

1484
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: honest um already in our interview that dating has not

1485
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: been a priority. Kelsey, you didn't really have any interested

1486
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: in doing it for a full year. So what the

1487
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: heck did you talk about on the podcast? I mean,

1488
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: we did a hum and I we got dating advice, um,

1489
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: and then we just kind of caught up on our

1490
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: lives and what's been going on, which is not a

1491
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: lot because we've been having a quarantine. So have you

1492
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: stayed true to the whole I'm not going to date

1493
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: for a year, So you have truly not been on

1494
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: a date since the rep of Peter season. I've been

1495
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: on one day and then that's when I decided you

1496
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: weren't ready. Not okay, yeah that I was going to

1497
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: happen during that date. It was fine. I just don't

1498
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: think I was ready. I just think emotionally I did

1499
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: develop feelings for Peter. So coming off the show, it's

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different type of relationship that you

1501
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: develop when you're on the show compared to real life.

1502
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: But also on the show, I feel like things are

1503
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: sped up a little bit too. Um. I don't know,

1504
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 1: I just feel like I just wasn't emotionally ready. And

1505
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: so then I remembered this advice that one of my

1506
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: doctors gave me, and he basically said, take a year

1507
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: off dating so you don't carry over some of those, um,

1508
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe bad habits or qualities that you wanted to work

1509
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: on or fix into your next relationship, so you don't

1510
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: continue down, you know, a bad cycle. Uh So that's

1511
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm just trying to do. It's just

1512
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, make sure I'm fully mentally, spiritually, um ready

1513
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: for that next person, and I kind of where are

1514
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: you with that next soon? Um? Well when we filmed

1515
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: the podcast, I hadn't been on one date yet. Um

1516
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: I went on a date last week. Uh that went well,

1517
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: so smiley. Yeah, it was a good day. It was

1518
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: a great date. Have you heard from him yet? Yes,

1519
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to see him again this week. Fantastic. Oh

1520
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good smile. Uh, you guys. If

1521
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: there is one annoying thing that millennial and jen Z

1522
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: guys do, it's gen Z right, the one below us.

1523
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: Um they what what is it? And what do you what?

1524
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: Do you just need those generations and then just cut out.

1525
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still kind of like in the

1526
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: age where people are using Snapchat to talk. You need

1527
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: to cut that Snapchat. I even know snapchat was still

1528
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: a thing, So that's how old I am. Do you guys?

1529
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you all find it healthy or not in dating

1530
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: with the access like the snapchat or text or calls

1531
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: or social media today, like with the constant communication because

1532
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: I see people dating now my my, like little cousins

1533
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, and like they have a boyfriend or girlfriend

1534
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: like they are doing. I don't know how they have

1535
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, like or like post with

1536
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: each other or I mean, I guess I don't really

1537
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: don't want to know what they're sending back and forth.

1538
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: But um, they're always communicating somehow, Like is that healthy

1539
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: or not understand? See, I'm kind of old school in

1540
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: this way where I prefer to talk on the phone.

1541
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a big texter, um, so when I

1542
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: want to communicate with someone, it's usually a phone call. Um.

1543
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm never on like Facebook. I'm on Instagram.

1544
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: But like if someone's dming me on Instagram wanting to talk,

1545
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: like I just unless it's someone I've never met before,

1546
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in community that communicating that way.

1547
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather have you just called me. Um. So, I

1548
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: think it's weird at all the different forms that there are,

1549
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: and you you kind of lose that like connection or

1550
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: that human vulnerability with all these apps now because there's

1551
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: really no like you can't get in a deep conversation

1552
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: or or have that substance to a conversation that makes sense. No.

1553
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Generation Z's way of that of communication where they just

1554
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: constantly go back and forth on text all day long

1555
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: is something I just can't conceptualize for myself. Well, even

1556
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: with Snapchat, you're snapping a picture of yourself writing in

1557
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: a couple of words like if anything, just spacetime. You

1558
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm with you. I don't get it.

1559
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing is, I might I've read

1560
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: back my text when like back in the day when

1561
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: I was still like really flirting with Jessica, Like I

1562
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: still flirt with her, but it's just different now and

1563
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: she reads right through it. But like when I was

1564
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: really trying hard, like that stuff is ridiculous, like the

1565
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: emojis I add, like and then maybe we have a

1566
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: hard day, Like yeah, it's just grow it's weird and

1567
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: like it never reads the way you wanted to. Like

1568
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I always would text us and be like, oh, she'll

1569
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: like that one. And I read it back, I'm like,

1570
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have liked that, Like that just sounded like weird.

1571
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't get it. This, this

1572
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, That's why I'm excited, you know, to

1573
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: to listen to you all, and I continue listening to

1574
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: Jared and Dean because dating, for me is is something

1575
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand, even though I'm engaged it's okay that

1576
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: I tell Jared all the time, like, you guys need

1577
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: to change the name of the podcast or something. You're

1578
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 1: married in a serious relationship, but he's like, you're always

1579
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: still dating. You're still always you know communication and that

1580
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: you know present regardless of the commitment level of the relationship. Alright, girls, well,

1581
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: we are so thankful that you came on and open

1582
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: your heart to us and everybody. If you want more

1583
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: of McKenna and Kelsey, check out the podcast Help I

1584
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Suck a Dating, What a Girl Wants. It's out now,

1585
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 1: so great, ladies. Thank you. Alright, Ben, great episode, a

1586
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: long one, covered a lot. And there's one more thing

1587
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: that I want to do with you. So I finished

1588
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: reading your book, and you tease a whole bunch of

1589
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: dramatic stories that have happened to you that you could

1590
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: have focused on in the book, but you decided, you know,

1591
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: to go with a different theme. Understandably so, but it's

1592
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: a great teaser to so many stories. So I thought

1593
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: that over the course of the next couple of weeks,

1594
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: at the end of every episode, we can wrap up

1595
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: with you actually telling the stories that you tease. Here,

1596
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: can I go through the number one Week one's story. Yeah,

1597
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: this will be fun, This will be a fun game. Okay. Cool.

1598
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: You say there was a time where a mini van

1599
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: hit you going fifty miles an hour while you were

1600
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: walking on the sidewalk. That's true story. Yeah. So what

1601
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: actually is referring to is in my book Aloning Plain Sight,

1602
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: which comes out February second. If you want to pre

1603
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: order it, that'd be a huge help to me. Go

1604
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: to Ben Higgins book dot com. Um, this is not

1605
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: a tell all, but this has has bachelor Actuley has

1606
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: read it has bachelor stuff in it. Um, but it

1607
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: was a book that I really kind of wanted to

1608
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: like release my soul somehow, some way. Um. It's surprisedly

1609
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: that I care about deeply and took two years ago.

1610
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: So go and check it out. But in the book,

1611
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 1: I do highlight that, Um, I didn't tell all my

1612
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: life stories because they just didn't fit into the model

1613
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 1: of the book. And I don't think i'd write a

1614
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: second book about these stories. So we'll talk about him

1615
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: here in the podcast. The first one is me getting

1616
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: hit by a car. So I was a senior in

1617
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: college actually, and um, it was welcome week at Indian

1618
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: University and my buddies and I were walking down to

1619
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: a fantasy football draft about a blockdown from our apartment. Uh.

1620
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: They're two guys. They were guys walking from me. They

1621
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: both played basketball for I Use, so they're big, tall

1622
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: guys and they um had just got out of practice

1623
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: and I was walking kind of behind them, and I

1624
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, crap, I forgot my hat

1625
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and I want a hat. So we were just across

1626
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: the street from my partment. I ran back. They kept going,

1627
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: ran back across the street, grabbed my hat. Was walking

1628
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: down the street, had headphones and at this point because

1629
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't walking with anybody, and before I know it,

1630
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm on a sidewalk and I get hit by a

1631
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: car minivan and my left like side and it threw

1632
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: me about fifteen ft onto these girls patios. And I

1633
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: know some of the girls still listen to this podcast today. Um.

1634
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: He then hit uh the electric box to stop, like

1635
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: knocked to stop, like completely over. Uh. He ended up

1636
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: spending some time in jail. But what had happened? You

1637
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: got a guy in jail for hitting you? I didn't. Um.

1638
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: In fact, this is how the story ends. It's really funny.

1639
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: Actually and really dumb. But uh so I had obviously

1640
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: gotten hurt, had passed out. Um, I didn't have any

1641
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: massive injuries. I still have like a little bit of

1642
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: a weird hip hitch. You from it today. Um, but

1643
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: he had fallen asleep at the wheel and he crossed

1644
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: two lanes of traffic and ran up onto the sidewalk

1645
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: and that's when he hit me. There's pictures from it,

1646
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: and UM, so long story short, did you see him

1647
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: coming at You know, I had my back, I had

1648
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: my back turned with headphones in. I had no clue.

1649
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Like before I knew it, I was up in the

1650
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: air flying and I ran over after I got hit,

1651
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I jumped up, ran over to this guy's car and

1652
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: go what just happened? And then I passed out and

1653
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: don't really remember much else just happened. And then he

1654
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: passed out. Yeah I'm sorry. I'm not laughing, you know,

1655
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: with a smile. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a

1656
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: story and a half, I don't I mean, it could

1657
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: have been a lot worse, right, Like I know people

1658
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: who have been like seriously damaged, But for me, this

1659
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: honestly was not a massive I didn't have any major injuries.

1660
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: But long story short, the there's obviously like settlements and

1661
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: there's legal process to go through. All I wanted from

1662
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and it could have been a lot more.

1663
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Well is I thought it would be really sweet if

1664
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: I could figure out a way for the insurance company

1665
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: to pay for a year's worth of massages for me.

1666
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so for a year of my life,

1667
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I had unlimited massages all through my senior of college.

1668
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all I got. I could have I

1669
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: could have done wild things with this process. It was definitely,

1670
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: like very clear that there was like that there was

1671
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: misbehaving going on in this accident. But instead I just

1672
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: asked for in my stupid college self, didn't call any

1673
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: friends or family for advice on what I should do.

1674
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I just said, Hey, you know what, let's do this.

1675
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Let's get a year's worth of massages. You guys cover it,

1676
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: we'll call it even we're good. And still to this day,

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Speaker 1: I looked back in the time of my life and

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Speaker 1: I think, Wow, you are just not very smart. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, you're either dumb or very smart. How

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Speaker 1: many massages would you get regularly, like three times a

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Speaker 1: week for a school year subscription somewhere. Okay, I just

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Speaker 1: said to build him now, just build him, just unlimited.

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Speaker 1: I think they were thrilled. They're like, are you kunna

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Speaker 1: meet this guy got hit by a car going fifty

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Speaker 1: miles per a minivan going fifty miles per hour. It's

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Speaker 1: on video, there's pictures taken of it, there's tons of witnesses,

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Speaker 1: and all he wants is a year's worth of massages, settled, done,

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Speaker 1: call it good. Uh. He is our favorite UM person ever.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that is you in in conclusion, that is

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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. That's awesome. Just want just just want to

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Speaker 1: be touched. That's all I need. Just give me some loving. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So next week, Uh, you know this is gonna get weird.

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Speaker 1: Actually I like this idea, but I'm not gonna hold

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Speaker 1: anything back. Like there's gonna be some stories that are

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Speaker 1: shared that people are gonna definitely have a visceral reaction to. UM.

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Speaker 1: But okay with it, let's do it. Hey, you're the

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Speaker 1: Actually you're the best. A great episode. UM. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week with another episode of Almost Famous Podcast,

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Speaker 1: breaking down Claire's second episode of her season with that

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