WEBVTT - Episode 429 w/ Ryan Leslie 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.480 He is Drink Chants Mother Bucky Podcast Make He's a 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.320 legends Eary Queen's rapper. He's agreed that your boy in 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:18.880 O R E. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.040 He's a Miami hip hop Lionere put up his DJ 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:22.720 E f N. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.680 Together they drink it up with some. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.439 Of the biggest players, you know what I mean. And 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:31.080 the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:31.800 for drunk. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.839 Drink chans mother das do ye see that's it's time. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:36.960 For drink Champions. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:44.400 Drink up mother, Mother? Would it gonna be hoping? It 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.120 swished to be this your boy in O R E? 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.720 What up his DJ E f N? 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:55.680 And this is drink Champs japri All make Toys guest 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.760 Today's Guests. I literally think it's the smartest person probably. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.080 Ever had on drink chest. The fact that I've heard it. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.959 He went to Harvard at fifteen years old, graduated at nineteen, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.360 had his own has his own platform. I thought I 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.640 thought the record label was just going to try to 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.399 kill him. At one point he was the director to consumer. First, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.240 he was giving out his phone number. He's doing concert, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.600 He's selling the tickets. It's this man is a mogul. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.000 This man is a legend, writer, producer, everything. I've been 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.800 trying to give this man his flowers, and today we're 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.760 gonna give him his flowers. In case you don't know 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.440 who the fuck we talking about, We're talking about. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:45.639 The one only impeccable. Now. Now, I thrive in dumb rooms. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.200 I played that. I played that role. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:50.480 Good? 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.200 That role? 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:51.480 Good? 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.760 Are you uncomfortable around other scholars or other like you know, 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.120 what is that Ivy League school? 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.400 Or who do you? What do you IQs? 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:02.200 Now? 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.360 I feel like I can. I can move in really 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.880 any type of room. Yeah, And to be honest, like 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.560 when I first got on Harvard's campus, it was a 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.959 little you know, it took some getting used to just 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:20.120 a being of color and you don't row no. And 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.880 then also being as young as I was, you. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:23.919 Know, fifteen for real. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.280 Yeah, so you learned very early on to just sort 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.519 of move in any type of room. But I really 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.079 got to give it to my father man, when I 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.880 was coming up. You know, my my parents are from 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.679 the Caribbean Islands, and they worked their whole lives in 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.519 the Salvation Army, and so they knew that they weren't 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.320 going to have really you know, all kinds of wealth 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.400 stacked up because they sacrifice wealth in the service of others. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.679 I mean still to this day, my mother's you know, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.440 going to build hospitals in India, try to retire her 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.520 and that's what she wants to do. So my father 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.239 very early on decided, hey, we immigrated to the United States, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.280 I want my kids to be set up, and I 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.600 know the way to get there are the only way 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.600 he never was yeah, yeah, and the only way to 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.760 really get there, in his opinion, was through education. So 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.720 he didn't want me going to just any old schools. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.359 Anytime we got to a new city, he said, look, 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.880 let's go find the top tier private school. And then 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.799 he would go in and he would advocate, hey, I'm 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.519 a servant of the community. Can you take care of 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:38.240 my and my kids in yeah, doing We're not doing 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.560 the tuition, but we do service in the community. Can y'all, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.720 you know, make an accommodation for our kids. But he 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.160 also said, look, we ain't just doing the private school 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.760 because he was still running the boys and girls club 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.120 as well, So I had to move in both circles. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.560 Would we would go to private school and then go 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.240 get my tail beat on the basketball court at the 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.200 Boys and Girls Club in Richmond, Virginia, you know what 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.160 I'm saying. So I think I think the other piece 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.840 of it though, as well, is in terms of service 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.960 to others. You never realize the stories and the backstories 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.920 of folks who are in those homeless shelters, who are 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.200 in those places, they didn't just you know, they weren't 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.680 homeless their whole lives. So they have backstories as well, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.480 and you have you have to sort of learn how 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:29.080 to be empathetic in any room. And it really doesn't matter. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.560 Like I just I think on a human level, everyone 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.240 is going through something, you know what I'm saying. So 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.200 if you could connect on a human level, whether you're 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:43.040 with venture capitalists in Silicon Valley or artists, you know, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.359 you talk about a heartbreak and they you know, they 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.640 going automatically tell you know what I'm saying, somebody that 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.760 did them wrong across them, et cetera. And there's there's always, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.600 I think there's always a line of communication that you 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.280 can that you can connect with somebody on on a 0:04:59.400 --> 0:04:59.920 human level. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.720 Have you ever had a bad day? Have I had 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.960 a bad day? See your music, I'll just be happy, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.760 Like you get up out of the bed with silk 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.640 robe on. That's just man. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.200 You really do put in a happy movie. Give your 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.200 sad songs are happy. Like you ever like had a 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.680 bad day, of course you did. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.120 But yeah, I mean I think we all do. I 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.640 think it's all I think. You know, when you talk 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.599 about those rooms though, if you're ever in a room 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.960 with somebody, that's that's worth let's say three hundred five 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.200 hundred MS or a billion dollars. Wow, whatever your bad 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.040 day is, Yeah, it turns good. They really You say, oh, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.360 I have a fifty thousand dollars problem or eighty thousand 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.240 dollars problem or one hundred thousand dollars medical issue, and 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.320 they're like, oh, that's that's small. So it puts things 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.680 in perspective. And I'll say this, Actually, when I first 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:02.000 got to New York City and was just producing, I 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.880 was running around, you know, just running around producing, doing clubs, dating, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.680 and I did I think at one point there was 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.520 like a record that I was waiting to come out, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.760 and I was, you know, I think we was on 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.400 a chopper doing a photo shoot or something, and I 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.240 told my girl, I said, hey, you know, I'm not 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.560 I'm not. I feel like i'm not having a good day, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.839 and she said, is your family all right? I say, yeah, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.520 they're fine. Are you healthy? Yeah, I'm fine. She says, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.360 so what's a bad day are you talking about? And actually, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:38.040 you know, it brings me to that quote. Somebody with 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.800 zero dollars, right, and they feel like they have a 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.720 million problems. But someone with all the money in the 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.680 world and they don't have their health, they only got 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.920 one problem. Right. So for me, I'm healthy, I'm still 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.680 of you know, in great health and strength. I still 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.719 have you know, great relationships, and so there's not really 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.200 any reason to ever have a complaint. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:10.120 You have a very interesting story. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.840 First off, you, like you said, we went to Harvard, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.960 and most people go to Harvard and they get away 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.280 from the music industry. You went to Harvard and you 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.280 went towards the movie it was the industry. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.840 Did you feel like you was moving backwards at one point? 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.960 I mean everyone that I initially told my plan to 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.280 thought I was moving backwards. They said, well what are 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.240 you doing here? And I think maybe the biggest, the 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.240 biggest challenge to overcome initially was my own family, right, 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:42.000 because when I was on the road to Harvard, as 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.120 you said, parents were like, okay, how are we going 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:45.720 to afford this? 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:46.160 You know? 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.480 So my dad said, hey, look, you know I'm in 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.680 the Rotary Club. They have these speech competitions, So you're 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.840 going to write a great speech and you'll go and 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.280 speak to all the Rotary Club members and they'll put 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:57.960 up a couple of dollars to put in the kids, 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.320 so you can, you know, have some money to move around. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.640 And so I wrote a speech about how I wanted 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:08.400 to be a neurosurgeon. So that very was very inspirational. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.440 You know, my dad was so proud of it. I 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.880 was pre med my first year at Harvard, and I realized, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.640 you know, the kids that were in my chemistry class, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.120 bi biology class, et cetera, they had a passion for science, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.280 a passion for medicine, a passion for what they were studying, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.520 the problem sets. And I found that my passion was 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.720 just music. And I said, look, you know, if if 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.600 this is what's keeping them up at night, I need 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.319 to do what keeps me up at night. And I 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.559 went maxed off my credit card. I didn't even I 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.240 had I think everybody does that when they go to college. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.160 You get a credit card. And I went straight. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.360 I was in jail, so maybe noted out to you. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:52.360 I'm sorry. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.760 So you know, when you get on when you get 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.840 on campus, every bank got the table out go sign 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:01.000 up like a credit. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.640 Card lending board, of course. And so that's exactly what 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:06.120 I wanted. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.360 So I was cutting hair on campus, and I wanted 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.719 my little dorm room to feel like the barbershop. So 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.559 I had to have you know, five this CD changer 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.760 and you know, the receiver and everything, and made everybody 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.360 listen to my records because you know, we had there 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.640 wasn't many. There wasn't really a black barber on Harvor's campus. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.160 You had to go to you know, you had to 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.000 go to Central Square or whatever if you wanted to 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.240 get your haircut. So I said, hey, I'm open for business, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.839 and anybody that came into and we called the barbershop 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.800 Shady A's because shady because you can't. You're not supposed 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.959 to run a business at Harvard, right, which is why 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.960 like Zuck and Bill Gates, they just dropped out. They 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.880 were running their businesses so shady and then eights because 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.400 we charged eight dollars of haircuts, so Shady A's barbershop. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.560 And then I used to have a line of folks. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.800 And you know, it's like when I came in today, 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.360 if you got a barber, they're about their craft. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.079 You got to sit there and wait, you know what 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.160 I'm saying. So I would have my missed have found 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:04.480 out you got a line on side. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.480 Yeah. We had everybody just sitting on the couch or whatever, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.840 and you know, we cut everybody's hair, but we actually 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.560 for me, I would have my records and people would 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.520 have to listen, you know, while they were waiting. And 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.960 that's how that was my initial sort of focus group. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.800 And folks. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.800 Folks were saying, yo, you nice. So I said, hey, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.280 I'm gonna I'm gonna go for it. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.360 You was like the uber driver, you see the Uber drivers. Yeah, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:35.040 everybody is going on. So you're still paying off people 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.280 student loans. Howard you pay it off a couple of 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:37.920 student loans. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.560 Yeah yeah, I mean I think really right now sort 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.920 of what's been super important for me. I think everybody 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.520 has if they're extremely fortunate, that they have a number 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:51.920 of acts in their lives. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.240 You know. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.679 So maybe my first act was a starving artist. Then 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.800 I became a producer, then I was able to be 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.600 an artist. Then I've build a technology company, and now 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.199 I'm really at a place where you know, once you 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.840 reach a certain level, it's about how many how many 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.400 people can you send the elevator down for to bring 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:15.520 them up? And so, you know, I started to realize that, 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:21.319 especially in the United States in music, there is so 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:27.439 much talk about money, cars, jewelry, the lifestyle, et cetera. 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.360 And it's very aspirational. Get the hosts right right right, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.920 show right for show, it's very aspirational. But as I 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.959 started to kind of, you know, have that one on 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.679 one direct relationship with the people who are supporting me, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.679 you realize that America and actually many countries around the 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.320 world is actually engineered for folks that only make forty 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:55.000 fifty sixty thousand dollars a year, right, And so to 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.640 be able to educate folks, you know, sometimes you could 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.719 you give them a check. Well, give them a check. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.920 It's totally different than teaching them how to fish, how 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.520 to navigate finances, how to navigate the financial markets. How 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.319 somebody who's a postal worker can retire a multimillionaire if 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.160 they know how to put their money, you know, and 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.120 put it to work the right way. So I would 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.880 say that's the act that I'm in now is you know, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.760 when you start thinking about legacy, it's about how many families, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.280 how many people can you touch. And what happened is, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.920 as I was because you're right, I gave my phone 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.840 number out to everybody, and as I was talking to folks, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.800 folks were saying, Yo, Ray, you know, we love the music. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.040 We love what you're talking about, whether it's you know, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.599 like you said, happy song, sad songs, et cetera. But 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.760 you got a couple of records where you're talking that 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.600 talk money wise, and is there something that you can 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.000 share with us, because we'd be willing to, you know, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.160 support you even more if you can show us the way. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.760 And so we built the club and you know, we've 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:01.079 we've basically been mint minting every day millionaires through the 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.079 Wealth Planning Club. And then also what I realize is 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.040 that a lot of artists they don't actually have a 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.240 backup plan or and they don't actually have what they 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.440 consider or what they what they you know, what could 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.440 be their plan B or play see or their second 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.920 act or third act. Not everybody's going to be able 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.920 to just do a podcast. Not everybody's going to be 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.440 able to do a fashion right. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.760 If you do, they don't have retirement plans or anything. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.079 Oh man, they'll spend it all when they get it 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:30.559 and not think of what comes after me. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.079 Yeah, and so I always say that. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.599 I always say the music industry and boxing is the 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:35.560 only place that don't have. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.920 Like a what is it a union union? Yeah, it's 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.040 like yeah, and then look up the music industry show you. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.959 And so I think, now, what's what's been awesome is 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.280 to be able to say, hey, look everybody, if you've 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.880 ever seen my Twitter, Instagram, et cetera, you can reach 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.240 me directly. And if you're looking for that type of guidance, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.200 if you're looking for an infrastructure, I got a hold team, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.800 I got a whole staff, and we provide that kind 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.320 of like business infrastructure. So give you a case in point. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.400 Somebody came to me and had just gotten in advance. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.480 Maybe it was a seventy somewhere between seventy to one 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.000 hundred and fifty thousand dollars use music advance, right, And 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.080 basically the first thing, especially young artists want to do 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.040 is when they get that money, they say, hey, I 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.960 want to put my mom on payroll, right, And that's great, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.640 you should, you know what I'm saying. But you don't 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.640 have to actually pay that money. You can actually put 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.200 that money in a vehicle. So the money pays your 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:39.920 mom a salary the interest of that money. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.600 So let's just say, for example, right, you get a 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.880 Let's just say, for example, you get one hundred thousand 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:46.520 dollars advance. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:46.800 Right. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:52.360 Currently, there are vehicles, and we help artists structure those 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.040 vehicles where you can earn four percent per month. It's 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.520 not a crazy amount. But if you were going to 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.880 put your mom on payroll at four thousand dollars a month, yo, Mom, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.560 here's a debit car, here's a credit car. You got 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.080 a four thousand dollars bounds every single month, that one 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.640 hundred earning four percent per month is going to pay 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.040 her for the rest of her life. And that one 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.200 hundred never walks down, right, So the one hundred never 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.200 walks down. The hundred is just sitting there. It is 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.640 throwing off the forest, throwing off the forest, throwing off 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.360 the four Mom is set for the rest of her life. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.960 And you actually did something smart with your money, as 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.200 opposed to saying, hey, I'm going to put my mom 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.280 on payroll and pay the four because if you pay 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.080 the four in twelve months now you only got fifty 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.600 thousand left. Then you pay the four again in two 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.000 years now you got zero. Where if you put it 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.680 in the right type of instrument, then the instrument will 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.880 pay her. And then what's dope about it is once 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.040 we start unlocking that for artists, right, they have an 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.920 incentive because now they understand where the money. When the 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.760 money comes in, they want to put it in these 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.240 kinds of vehicles, right, what's the vehicle like that for example. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.080 Like high yielding? 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.160 Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not financially if I'm 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.280 not going to call out stuff cause because people have 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.600 to really do their own. But there are there are vehicles, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.520 and that's what we work on now, you know, because 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.120 like I said, I could you know, I always think 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.960 of my life in terms of how can I be 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.440 most of service. So when I first came in the game, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.160 you know, somebody had to sit me down because when 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.880 I first came in the game, obviously at twenty when 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.960 I first moved in New York twenty two, twenty three, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.640 I want to be the star. I want to be dance. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.160 I'm in the offices, dancing around. We were actually shopping 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.000 an artist, but I'm the one, you know, dancing around 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.280 in the office and everything, and somebody had to really 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.720 pull me to the side and say, yo, right, listen, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.440 if you really want to be of service and you 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.240 want to be valuable, yeah, of course you need to 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.480 put the creativity and energy that you have in these offices, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.240 but put them put that energy towards the projects that 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.440 folks already have invested money in. So the first one 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.760 of the first records that I actually placed was New 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.320 Edition hot Tonight. So there's a record called hot Tonight 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.359 on New Edition, and so that was a record that 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.320 I had actually written. I say, yo, this is going 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.040 to be my songs, will be my single. But when 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.200 I came to New York and played it, New Edition 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.359 had just gotten signed and they say, yo, this is 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.159 going to be the first single for New Edition. So 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.119 it's about being of service. So making that sacrifice sometimes 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.840 will open the window, open the door to relationships, to opportunities, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.879 because people know, hey, look, this is somebody I can 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.520 go to who's a if we need that single, we 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.280 can go get it, get one, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.199 And then what happened? Is that open the door? Then 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.400 fab need a single yo, you'd be killing them, Red 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.040 Cafe need a single fly together, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.920 And then basically now I realized, Okay, now there's plenty 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.800 of other producers, right. And I also feel like if 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.920 you go on YouTube now, every producer that is look 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:04.720 looking to illustrate their skills, they followed the blueprint that 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.679 was originated when I was trying to show my skills, right, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.439 so I would just be on YouTube, have a camera, Yo, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.960 is how I make it be et cetera. If not 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.159 the first early early on YouTube, early on MySpace. Right, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.040 So I realized, once you pass the baton and the 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:26.520 mantle and the gauntlets passed to the next generation, where 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.040 is the way that I can be of service? And 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.720 then I start realizing when I'm having conversations, even just 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.639 in this conversation, hold on, there's a financial instrument that 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.200 does that, right. And it's not that we're we haven't 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.359 been around money. And for me, I didn't learn this 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:46.440 in college, but I did have a mentor that actually say, yo, right, listen, 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.119 when you get your check in the music industry, make 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.119 sure you put a little bit aside, here, here, here, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.240 and here, and then give me a shout three years, 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.680 five years, eight years, twelve years later and tell me 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.960 how much it double triple, quadruple, and man, I still 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.840 have those conversations, and so I realize now there's a 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.199 responsibility that I have if somebody is an artist, if 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.640 somebody is a manager, because you know, COVID hit people 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.280 super hard, right, especially managers. Right, managers were making money 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.879 based on their artists being able to tour. Once the 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.760 artists can't tour anymore, where's there, where's there? Where's their 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.359 income coming from? Right? But if they had a little 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.800 bit saved, they called Ryan Yo, right, listen, you know 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.080 we locked in, we shut out, We can't tour right now. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.119 I got a little bit of bread. It need to 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.119 last me the whole year, or you know, until we 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.200 get to the other side. And there's also no guarantee 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.240 that on the other side of whatever the season is, 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.840 that your artist is going to be hot again. Right, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.760 And so that's why initially it was it was about 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.560 and actually I'm headed. I'm headed tomorrow. Shout out to 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:56.440 Jazzy Jeff. He runs a playlist retreat and he asked 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.600 me to come speak at the Playlist Retreat because I 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.840 think what was interesting or has been interesting about my 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.560 story is I didn't need a million fans to be engaged. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.800 I only needed ten or fifteen thousand fans. And if 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.560 you really think about that, that's you know, old the 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.040 money's going to you, it's all coming to me. And 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.080 back then when I was doing in twenty thirteen, you know, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.200 and we'll probably talk about this, my laptop had gotten stolen. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:31.560 Everybody laptop got stolen, and so at that time, you know, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.120 when the laptop actually got stolen, I lost the judgment 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:35.800 right because I was running around, say, you know, I 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:36.520 got a million. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.600 Dollars, I had to actually go to court. I thought, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:44.400 I thought you said because second right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:45.960 like some of your publishing or something like that. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.120 Yeah, just just for a short amount of time until 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.800 it was taken care of. But the blow that was 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.959 dealt is and that story is crazy because it was right. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.520 It was literally right in federal court down down in 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.680 New York City. So you know, I'm living down Wall 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.040 Street area. I like to be around findings. Living down 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.560 Wall Street, there's a bodega. They still had a bodega. 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.920 Somewhere at Wall Street, right. So I went to the bodega. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.840 I've been going to this modega, you know, getting my breakfast. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.480 But this day I walked in and the guy behind 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.280 the counters like, yo, can I take a picture with you? 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.040 I said, Yo, I've been coming here. Why today is 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.600 the day for the picture? He said, well, you want 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.600 to cover in the New York Post today, So I'm 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.480 looking to cover the New York Posts and it has 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.960 a headline, you know, rap weasel, you know, must pay 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.560 for whatever laptop or because that was the day that 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.520 the judgment came back. But the crazy part about that 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.520 story is not just that he wanted to take the picture, 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.439 but it was actually because when I went to actually 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.119 pay for my breakfast, it was declined, and I was like, yo, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.280 how's this possible? And what I realized is that when 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.840 you actually have a judgment, that the federal or state 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.080 government can come in and seize your bank account. 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.960 So literally I going to you know, I didn't know. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.639 I went to sleep and woke up the next morning 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.440 there was a two million dollar hole froze frozen, so 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.480 I couldn't even get literally a breakfast sandwich. And he 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:17.879 was like, yo, if you take a picture with me, 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:30.840 we all good, I said, you know, but that was 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.879 right around like twenty thirteen whatever, And so I wanted 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:39.199 to make sure that, you know, in a centralized banking system, 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.240 that's what's possible. The government can come in and just 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.520 seize your assets. So it wasn't necessarily because a lot 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:47.560 of folks say, well, Ryan, you were early on bitcoin 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.200 and you were early on crypto. Necessity is the mother 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.000 of innovation. So in order for me to feel like 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:59.280 I could actually still have control of my finances, I 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.240 moved everything to decentralize. So all of my tour advances, 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.760 all of my merch all of my digital sales. I 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.080 had taken it off of Spotify, but you got to 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.640 pay me in bitcoin. So twenty thirteen we got earth 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.840 hundreds and hundreds of payments and transactions and bitcoin at 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.120 one hundred and twenty five dollars a coin. Last time 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.560 you check, where's a bitcoin at. Now. I'm not saying 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.040 this for any other reason, because it wasn't that. It 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.920 was just a genius move. It's almost like you and 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.280 I think, if you put good energy out in the world, 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.080 even if you get a curveball, and even if something 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.639 happens where someone else will be like, man, I just 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.560 got hit for a million dollar lawsuit, but they charged 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.440 an interest in my accounts of frozen for two million. 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:49.119 If you sit down and you have gratefulness for just 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.680 your ability to still have curiosity and ingenuity, then you're 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.400 going to have these ideas and opportunities and as long 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.800 as your lines of communication are open as well. That's 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.000 one thing I've always wanted to make sure is, Look, 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.440 anybody wants to reach me, text Ryan dot com. You 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.359 can go leave your number in that website and I 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.280 will text you back. Now, I got one hundred thousand 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.320 plus people in my phone, but that's why I had 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.720 to build a software so that I could manage all 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:21.480 of it. But in those times, yeah, superphone, But in 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.040 those times where people actually, you know, they they feel 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.560 like they want to be of service or of help, 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.760 you're not unreachable, you know. And I find a lot 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.680 of times when people going through something that's that's that's tough, 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.280 they want to sort of retract from their their friends 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.840 or fan base, et cetera, not realizing that that. I 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:47.320 think the the default human impulse is to be helpful. 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.840 You know what I'm saying, the default human impulse is 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.560 to be helpful. So when I actually, you know, was 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.359 going through that, somebody was like, yo, man, you know, 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.440 why don't you look at this bitcoin thing? You know 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:02.000 what I'm saying, And that way made a serious way, 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.240 you know what I'm saying. And so I think that's 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.200 really what my real crusade and purpose is now. And 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.959 I'm setting up different infrastructures so that I can actually 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:16.040 handle all the inbound because I think, you know, we're 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.800 in Miami, but I think, you know, Miami money is 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:23.159 a major issue. So anyone that's interested, you know, and 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.200 I know for sure I can actually understand from the 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.480 concept of that feast or famine season that happens in music, 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.880 right There's gonna be times where you're super hot, everybody 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.440 wants you for a club appearance, everybody wants to book 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.120 you for tour. Then you're in between albums and you're like, mm, 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.080 where you know what we got going on? You know, saying, 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.120 So the ability to actually set up a financial infrastructure 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.680 so it's smoothed out. And if you have a couple, 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:51.800 you know, you have a couple of dollars put away, 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:53.720 they're gonna work for you and they're gonna work for 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.560 you in a really powerful way. So that's that's really, 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.280 you know, that's really what I've been working on now. 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:04.720 So let me ask you, right, Because when Twitter first 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:06.920 came out, I'm the boso. I thought that this was 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.040 just between me and the fans. I had no idea 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.520 that other people could see the same conversation. 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.280 Public I knew it was. I thought if you, I 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.480 didn't know, if you wasn't following me, you can. 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.239 Still see my messages, like you can go on my thing. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.600 I thought this was just for my fans, and I 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:26.480 had to learn the hard way the buckers just being nosy. 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.520 Most of these motherfuckers wasn't fans, they were just being nosy. 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:31.600 How did you make your super phone? 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:32.080 Like? 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.439 Did you know that through Twitter and my Space? Did 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.200 you learn that? Yes, I got caught. 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:37.960 I was giving out my phone number and I didn't 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:39.800 want to, like you know what I'm saying. It was 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.159 like it was bad, but it was bad for me. 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.359 But I think I think where that really was born 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:50.000 from is you know when we first and I say weird, 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.760 was really just me and one of my brothers, Rashid Richmond. 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:54.520 Started the company. 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:59.920 Yeah, and basically, you know, he was actually and he's 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.120 always been super early. So he he had actually built 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:08.080 a social network and was exchanging emails with Mark Zuckerberg. 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.199 Like that's how early he was on building social networks, right, 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.000 and he's still you know, send me the screenshots, et cetera. 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.719 So he basically was like, look, right, if you if 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.280 you check out the the MySpace music charts, I want 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.639 you to check out who's number one today, and then tomorrow, 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.720 I want you to call me and check out who's 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.920 number one tomorrow. And he had a way that he 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:35.000 could actually manipulate, yes, early, and he could make anybody 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.640 number one on MySpace music. Now this wasn't a Billboard 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.040 music chart, but he was that early in the game 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:42.000 to understand that. 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:47.760 Social financial repe I don't remember what, I don't ever 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.439 making money up for my space no. 0:27:53.359 --> 0:28:03.320 Deals, Yes, yes, Zach right, And that's exactly how it 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:08.440 worked for me. So I already was doing records inside 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.080 of you know, the record label ecosystem. But one of 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.840 my biggest challenges or gripes was that I would do 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.000 records and then I have to wait. I gotta wait 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.800 until the album's done. I gotta wait until this time 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.520 for you know, such and such to be mixed. I 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.359 gotta wait until you know whatever release states, et cetera. 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.000 Sometimes my records wouldn't even come out. You know, you 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.240 feel like you have some great on an album and 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.720 then all they've decided to move a whole different way, 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.720 you know what I'm saying creatively, So I decided that 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.640 I wanted to actually sign an artists do the whole album, 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.240 top to bottom. I didn't have the whole thing, the 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.520 whole yeah, well produced the whole thing, right, the whole thing. 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.160 I didn't have no big studio, you know. I was 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:52.160 in a one bedroom apartment in Harlem. But we made 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.320 that whole Cassie album. And I called my boy Rashid. 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.720 I said, yo, listen, I don't know what these MySpace 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:04.000 music charts really mean, but can you get my project now? 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:04.560 This thing that? 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.720 Can you get my project that I'm working on number 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.880 one on the chart? He said, yeah, what do it 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.840 looked like? I said, okay, let's just send you a 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.240 pa oh. He said, yo, this is out of here, right, 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.800 so just a picture and then we had me and 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:23.239 you the record. That thing went crazy on MySpace. It's 0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.680 still actually kind of going crazy now. I mean that 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.800 record still that we're talking about, you know, almost twenty 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:30.960 years later, it still has a life of its own. 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.760 But that's really how it all started. And so we 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.800 had built for Cassie like a quarter million an audience 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.640 on MySpace in terms of friends, right, and then all 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.320 of a sudden it became a graveyard. Everyone moved to 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.680 Twitter or they moved to something else. And I say, yo, 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.600 all those people, we don't have access to all those 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.520 people no more. And I said, look, that's a I 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.200 feel like I'm I was just renting the audience from 0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.640 that platform. I should own the relationship. I felt like, hey, 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.640 you know, what is what really is our oldest social handle. 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.239 I feel like Instagram has done a great job now 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.760 dms you actually, you know, you can kind of get 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.320 a sense of you know, messaging you, and you know, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.240 when they send you a message, you get a chance 0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:17.080 to kind of see what they've been up to you Yeah, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.600 I just saw you. But even before that, I feel 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.440 like the cell phone number is the oldest social handle 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:29.640 because it allows you to actually, you know, have a 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.440 personal line of communication, which is like you said, is 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.960 private right. And so basically I said, look if I 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:40.040 really want to have a real relationship with someone. And actually, 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:44.200 I'll still challenge anybody today if we went across this 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.040 room and say, yo, go in your phone, scroll all 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.080 the way down. How many contexts do you have in 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.120 your phone? Over the course of your life, You've collected 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.800 thousands of contexts. The reality is you're probably only in 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.680 touch with three percent maximum. Sure, so if you got 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.080 a thousand people in your phone, maybe it's thirty that 0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.680 you maybe if that that you're talking to all the time, 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.520 right unless you unless you's your job, you're a salesman 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.880 or a manager or something like that. So my concept 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.760 was I would prefer to actually have a direct cell 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:20.080 phone on everyone because if people feel as though I'm 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.360 someone of influence in their life because of the music, 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.000 then I'm gonna have a high rank if they feel like, Yo, 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.120 I got Ryan Leslie's cell phone, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.320 I got Ryan's number and more personal and it changed. 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.480 But it got to be a headache too. You know, 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.920 you got to have that one fan that hits you all. 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.160 The time for sure, because he's ten dollars one time 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.480 you think you just want to be there, I gotta 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.080 be annoying people's annoying story. 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.200 No, actually, I think you'd be surprised. Man, I think 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.240 I think, And let's be real, let's be real. Okay, 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.320 let's just say, all right, you know you actually meet 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:58.000 someone that you truly respect. Right, let's say you you 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.360 you went somewhere, you even met Barack Obama and he 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.320 gave you his cell phone number. Are you really going 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.360 to abuse that? Probably not? Probably not. 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.560 Now, you're right, some fans, there's a lot of them. 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.800 Some people don't got class exactly exactly. 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.760 But we built the software in such a way that 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.400 you know, we we have safeguards in place, right, because 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:21.680 you know. 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.760 What's funny, To this day, I have a friend that 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.840 I met through my Space because he he jacked me 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:27.520 on my stake. 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:32.080 Yeah, he jacked he actually ran my profile and like yeah, 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:33.080 and I was like, you know. 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.480 He hacked me. Yeah, And I'm friends with him to 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.520 this day because he was good. He's not working there 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.160 anymore because he can get he's not working in the more. 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.960 But when we used to take I'm sorry, IM sorry, 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:43.920 I'm gonna sidetracked, but. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.760 I mean we just we like if someone made a 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.320 disc record against me, I would take their whole page. 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:50.239 Back then. 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:52.560 Yeah, he worked there, so he was. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.240 He was a super Norwy fan and we became friends. 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.560 So you are absolutely right. He could have easily, but 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.000 I didn't respond. He could easily turned into like one 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.400 of those super fans because like he was telling me, 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.920 you recons I forgot about doing. 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:07.760 It, and to this day we're friends, so you are. 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:09.760 And I think he did that because he thought somebody 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:11.000 was impersonating you. 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.280 Yes, that's why the person Ye. Yeah, So I mean 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:20.040 I haven't really had any crazy. Well actually I'm I'm. 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:20.960 Let's get let's go there. 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:25.800 Okay, I do have a crazy. I do have a 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.560 crazy And you know what, I honestly believed that that 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.520 this person is mentally ill. So I don't want to 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:38.400 know or whatever, but this person's mentally ill. And they 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.360 would literally find me on every channel, Twitter, Instagram, Discord, 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.560 cell phone, everything and was like, oh you know. And 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.600 actually I've had stories where people felt like they Someone 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:56.320 actually pulled up at h at at at the at 0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.720 our spot in Financial District and was like, yo, you 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.200 know we're married, right, I say, what you talking about? 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:03.480 Now? 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.320 We married? I got the whole certificate and everything, and 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.279 I sent you money and this and that, and I'm like, Yo, 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.440 this type of stuff is actually happening out here, you 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.800 know what I'm saying. But I said, look, you know, 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.759 I'm sorry, miss, but like we're not married. You know 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.160 what I'm saying. It is wild. 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:20.439 It is wild. Yeah. 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.839 Oh man, So hold on, okay, this is one Kuck 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.239 Thomas Slime. Well, first off, before we do with Qrick 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.400 Thomas Slime, we want you to know our show is about, 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.040 you know, giving people they flowers while they're alive. We 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.200 wanted to give you your flowers. You are one of 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.839 the most remarkable people in this world. 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:42.359 We wanted to let you go there, Chris, because I'm 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:43.120 gonna be honest with. 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.000 You, the first and the fifth person to ever do 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:47.600 something is always that risk taker. 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:47.839 Right. 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.880 Most of the time the reward is worth it. But 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.200 the fact is that you three sixty to yourself. 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.840 Think about it. You can throw your own merchan you control. 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.359 When I found out that you were selling the tickets direct, yeah, 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.359 shows it's smart, but that's a lot of work. 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.320 So yeah, are you physically doing that? 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.040 Yeah? So the way that we've had to do it, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.760 like let's just say we're going to do a venue 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.600 in New York. We ad the venues have deals with 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.520 Ticketmaster or whatever the vendors are, so we buy out 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.480 all the tickets and then we are the we are 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:31.160 we are our own resellers. So when people come and 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.600 get the tickets we said, we could say, Yo, the 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.080 whole venue sold out already. But that's because I can 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.879 just go. If it's an eight hundred seater, I'm still doing, 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.399 you know, theater. So I see the eight hundred seater. Bang, 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.920 we get all the tickets and then people text in 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:45.920 and we just send them. 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.960 What you're doing is you're buying them from Ticketmaster, Yes, 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.040 at a wholesale rate or regular Well. 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:53.800 We bught we buy up because we want to We 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.200 want the stats that we've sold out. 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.560 So you're also buying the stats by buying all the tickets. Yes, 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.239 all the books sold out already, and then you could 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.560 do whatever you want with yes, exactly. 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.400 The Actually, how about like states like Miami, Like states 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.600 like Miami became like a New New York. What I 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.719 mean is they're not impressed by nothing, right and right, 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.759 y'all know this, yea know how foul y'all all out here. 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.840 They all know this, right, So but this is this 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:21.440 is a this is like a market. 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:23.680 Like they come out if they want to what happens 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.440 if you you buy out and then only fifty percent? 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:28.680 Do you lose money? Nah? 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:33.040 We always have Okay, you know our process. Our process 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:34.719 is a reservation. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:35.480 Okay. 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.000 So we'll say, hey, look, we're going to do one 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:42.920 night only Miami for example, right and we'll say, hey, look, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.080 if you're interested, reserve and tell me how many tickets 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:47.040 you want to reserve. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:47.800 Extent I keep forgetting. 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.600 So they come in, they fill out a little form, 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.719 they say, Yo, I want five tickets, I want two 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.840 VIPs et cetera. We already know before before we go 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.279 to the venue, and we might actually say, yo, we 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.120 need a bigger venue. You we are our reservations. It's 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.120 crazy right now, you know what I'm saying. And I 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.239 think that's really it's nuanced. At the same time, though, 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:12.680 it's a very simple, let's call it. It's just a 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:17.160 very simple sort of transition to the information age. If 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.080 we're in the information age, we should be making decisions 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.759 based on information, right, based on information and data. So 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.279 if you have a means to collect that information and data, 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.400 then your decisions are just going to be better business wise. 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.160 You're never going to be holding a bag on anything, right, 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.680 And so that's the reason why even if you think 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.480 about brand new artists that are coming out trying to 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.719 do merch now, they have just on demand printing, so 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.879 you don't have to go buy seventy ninety one hundred 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.440 T shirts. You just say, hey, look, this is the 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.200 logo that I want, this is what it looks like, 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.160 and then through your e commerce store, they will only 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.800 print and ship what has been ordered. You know what 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:59.719 I'm saying. And so we're getting better and better and 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.440 better are and more efficient at being able to allow 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.879 creative minds to build enterprise around themselves. And I think, 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.200 you know, there's there's I think there's no better time 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:16.160 to actually be an entrepreneur than twenty twenty four and beyond. 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.360 I think I think a lot of people have an 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.400 issue processing the analytics of things to understand it the 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.200 way you might understand. Not everybody has that knowledge to say, Okay, 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:26.960 this is what these analytics mean, and this is how 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:28.680 I equal it to. 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.439 This marketing plan. Yeah, execute it this way. 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:36.400 Yeah, but I would say this, You're you're only as 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.040 good as your crew, right, and if you're the creative 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.959 in the crew bring in, then you can't you can't 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:45.400 say like, yo, I'm going to be the three sixty everything. 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.879 In some cases maybe you know you you're just like, oh, 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.719 you have extra hours in the day and you can 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.759 do four hours of music and four hours of data analytics. 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.840 But you have to think this industry, the creative industry, 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.759 whether it's film, whether it's podcast, whether it's YouTube, whether 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:05.000 it's influencing, whether it's music. You have so many people 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.320 that are magnetically attracted to this industry. They want to 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.400 be around it, but they're not creative. They are the analytic. 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.279 They are the analytical person, they are the management person, 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.919 they are the operations person. And it's just once again, 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.239 I think it's just about putting the bat signal out 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.680 and saying, look, I want the greatest of the great 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.759 to be around If you think what I'm doing is great, 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.600 I want the greatest of the grade around me. And 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:26.439 you build that team. 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.200 Now, when you open up the site, did you take 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.480 your music off of Spotify? And I'm iteling yes, And 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.400 now you do you think now that same usic you 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.000 put back on your platform, do you think that helps 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:39.680 will hurt you. 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.560 I think it helps. And the reason for it is 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.440 because when you really you know, at the very beginning, 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.040 it was more about doing the experiment because we needed 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.840 to do the experiment, make sure it works. And you know, 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.920 these are the type of conversations I was having with Nip. 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:56.359 Nip did is proud to pay? 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:56.680 Yeah? 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.600 Yeah, yeah, Zach, how you guys? 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:01.520 You guys? 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.520 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And really that's that's 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.240 that's got to be through through through my guy Nathan McCartney. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.160 If you haven't even been noticing what Nate has been doing, 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.000 he has an Instagram profile called the Bag. It's crazy 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:19.279 data analytics about the music business and everything. If you 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.359 check the followers of that page, it's like somebody Who's who? 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:27.360 And I'm talking about music, film, investment, et cetera. But 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.560 he's always wanted been one of these guys that's had 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.279 his ears to the ground and was one of the 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.480 first guys that that that worked with me on superphone 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.920 as well. But he actually was the one that put 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:37.360 me with it. 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.080 So yeah, actually, I don't know. We're bouncing around, yeah, 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:43.279 but we're going to cover all grounds. He comes to 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.239 you and says, I want to sell a take for 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:46.080 one thousand dollars. 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.040 Yeah, And basically you didn't think he was out of 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.320 his mind, nah, because he had already he had already done. 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.520 That's right, you know what I'm saying. That's the one 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.480 that they bought a thousand of them? Yeah, yeah, what 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.040 a thousand of the Now he bought a hundred. So 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.280 that was the screenshot the ten bands. One hundred albums 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.920 out one hundred dollars, ten bands, right, So he had 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.360 already done that. But he said, yo, right, listen, you 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.799 know I've been looking at what you were doing. 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.040 Like we just sat down and compared notes, and I say, hey, look, 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.080 I'm gonna be honest with you. If you allow folks 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.879 to actually give you what they believe is worth to them, 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.759 and you don't put the price on it, then there 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:29.799 will be some folks that will come through and say, hey, 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.680 I think your music has changed my life. It got 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.800 me through whatever I've had. Folks come to me, and 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:37.200 actually this is for any artists. 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:37.319 Yo. 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.560 Your song got me through a breakup, your song got 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:42.520 me through cancer, your song got me through whatever it was, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.960 and to them it's priceless. So if they have it, 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.839 they'll give it and if you don't put a cap 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.000 on what you think it's worth. Hey, it's worth twelve dollars. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.120 Then I was showing him in my superphone. Hey, I 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.360 got folks that have spent twenty five five grand, you know, 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.600 fifteen twenty five with me. He's like, yo, off a 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:04.759 twelve dollars album, and I say yeah, because once you 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.080 build a relationship, they'll tell you what they want in 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.680 terms of what's premium. And so when he was putting 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.800 the whole package together, it wasn't just Yo, here's the 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.239 CD four thousand. You got to go to a show 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.160 or you know some I got a phone call, whatever 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.719 it was, and I say, yo, man, let's do it. 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.319 And you have the app, and you got all the data, 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.560 and you know every single person where they live, in 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.399 their zip code, and then you know what I'm saying, 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.600 and you can actually show them your appreciation for their support. 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:31.920 It's all the stuff that you did. 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.120 And then even what you're describing here pre Patreon, because 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:36.600 it sounds like the Patreon model. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.640 Yeah, it was pre Patreon's crazy. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.480 Yeah. Yeah, let's say it in your intro. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.640 It's like your real threat to the industry because if 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.279 they have more of view. 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:52.360 What are they needed for listen nervous. 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:56.440 I never worry about that for the simple reason that 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.960 when it's your time, it's just your time, and you 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.120 have to do the most that you can with the 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:06.960 decades that you have. And we really only get three 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.120 four if we talk about decades, you know what I'm saying, 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.480 And we're lucky if we get three or four of them, 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.040 you know what I'm saying. So you have to do 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.560 the most that you can with the decades that you have. 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.960 And if I really think about it, some of the 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:24.160 artists that we still revere to this day, there's this 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.320 concept of like the artist's age of reckoning, where like 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.320 some of our greatest were all gone by like twenty 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.680 eight Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, and so 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:36.919 they did what they had to do with the time 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:37.400 that they had. 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.680 So for me, I'm like, yo, I've had plenty of decades, 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.320 you know, And so if what I'm able to do 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.080 is plant the seeds, whether it's plant the seeds for 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.840 like you said, a Patreon or you know, any of 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.000 the superphone competitors that have come out right and clones 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.440 that have come out, or plant the seeds for the 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.640 next artists to be able to know what to do 0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.439 with their money, how to do it with their money 0:43:59.480 --> 0:43:59.920 the right way. 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:05.680 I think, you know, there is a possibility to actually 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.360 have a like a real creative middle class, right because 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.800 you know, for me, and going back to the beginning 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.120 of the conversation, for me going to Harvard and then 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.520 saying I want to be in music, everyone just assumed 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.080 I was going to be broken. Just assume they just say, Yo, 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.239 you want to be creative, you want to be in 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:25.799 the arts. You're going to be starving for a long time. 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.640 You may you might might just get that break where 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.759 you you're the one percent that actually gets on. But 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.680 I think as you're talking about, if you understand how 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.600 the data works, as Nip was talking about, you understand 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.759 how to connect with that core group. It doesn't matter, 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:46.040 even if it's just a product that's not music, even 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.239 if it's just a you know, you're you're starting a 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.319 coffee brand, you're starting to liquor brand. Whatever. You find 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.680 that core group and you can appeal to them, they 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.440 will be loyal. And I think it allows for there 0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.160 to be an actual creative middle class where you can 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.560 actually and it's tough though, because that's almost like a 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.040 that's almost like an oxymoron. And I'm gonna tell you why, 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:12.120 because most folks, when they think creative, they don't want 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.200 to be middle class. You know. It's like it's like 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.080 when when you say, you know what you take, I 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.920 rapped for the drive. That's not what you're doing it for. 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.120 But the bottom line is that if you're doing what 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.480 you love to do, and what if you can, yeah, 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:27.520 if you can earn a living doing what you love 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.239 to do, how valuable is that you made it? How 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:32.719 valuable is that you know what I'm saying? And so really, 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.000 for me, I think, really that's that's the crusade that 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.080 I'm also I'm not worried about, you know, if it's 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.360 my time or you know, all the greats, the greatest 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:48.400 of the great their their impact was even more exponentially 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.759 increase by the fact that, you know, maybe folks felt 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.360 that they were going too soon. Where you talk about Martin, 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.160 you talk about X, you talk about Nipsey, you talk 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:03.720 about Bob Marley, you talk about Pack because Jimmy Hendrick, 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.560 the body of work that they have, that's all you got. 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.200 And then you start realizing, man to be that age 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:14.840 and be talking like that, playing like that, thinking like that, 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.279 you know what I'm saying, and it sets the bar 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.759 for us that are actually still here. We're still here, 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.360 so we better be continuing to push. You know what 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:22.799 I'm saying. 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:24.359 Am I hearing you? Correct? 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.400 And when you say that, you're happy enough with just 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.279 planning the seed almost like you believe in what you're saying. 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:30.719 Open source is an open source. 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.080 So everybody could go do this, yes, because I would 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:37.280 hate for corporations won't name any companies to take. 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.560 Your idea and then run with it and then monopolize 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:40.799 that what you at. Yes. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.399 Yeah, he was one of the first investors in Super 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:44.399 Cool record label. 0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.880 For lack of a better term, they are participating, so 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.319 I think make the stallion at something Yes too. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:55.799 Yeah, so Cardi Bad Bunny zaying from one direction, Miley Cyrus. 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.400 The record label. They're doing this through you direct. 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.480 It depends sometimes their management company, sometimes just to the label. 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.400 But yeah, I mean, I mean, I would think in 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.320 order for artists to reap the same benefits of you, 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.120 the only how they can do that is they do 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:09.360 the direct to you. 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.200 And I think that goes I think that goes to 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:16.080 your question. Once the knowledge is open source, then it 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:19.400 allows for folks to build on it and and iterate, 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.640 you know what I'm saying. And I think that's just 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.280 the human cycle. We got it. We have to enhance 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:25.520 and iterate, you know what I'm saying. 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.160 For lack of a better terms, you are like the 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.680 Steve Jobs of this. So you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:31.719 let me take that of it. You know what I'm saying. 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.719 So it's like, it's like, that's what I's that's that's 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.520 That's the one thing I want to commend our community 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.040 is that if we know, if we have the information, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.839 we'll go support the information. A lot of people don't 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.440 have the information, and a lot of people are probably saying. 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.360 Well, this guy is super smart. He went to Harvard. 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:49.560 He's the only one who can do it. 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.440 But just saying it's it's it's I went to Harvard 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.000 and I am swerper smart, but I'm not the only 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.200 one that can do it. And you'll get down like 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.800 for me search and I love the fact that I 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.839 see Megan has something in your black home. I love 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.279 the fact that I found out nut that to you. 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.040 You think that's going to be more popular, like more 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:09.839 artists gonna come. Do you think Jay Z would drop 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:11.600 an album on your platform? 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.640 Yeah, I mean I think honestly, I think it's I 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.640 think it's all possible. I think it's all possible. And 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.680 at the end of the day, for me, it's just about, 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.640 like I said, being of service. So if this is 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.120 a way I could be of service, then great. If 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.120 it's more on the money tip and people want to 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.799 figure out, hey, I just got my advance. I don't 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.359 want to mess it up, you know what I'm saying. 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.200 I can do it that way as well. But I'm 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.960 in a great place. I'm in. Uh, you know, I'm 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:43.080 super blessed, and so you know, as much as I 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.919 can give what I found is the more that I give. 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.759 You know, my parents are religious, so they say, look, 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.440 the more you give, the more your cup will be filled, 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.279 so that you can give more, you know what I'm saying. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.879 So I'm good where I'm good. 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:02.600 Yeah. You ever thought the music business would come down 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.000 to this, like, because it's like it's so much disposable 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:09.520 music out there in the nineties, in the two thousand 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.239 and I don't want to sound like that old guy. 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.680 Oh in my day, right, But I'm just gonna just 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.560 just to deal with the facts. It felt like music 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.759 when it was when it was analog. He had to 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.360 be in the studio together. It felt like the music 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:26.680 was better. Doesn't that I feel like that. I'm super 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.279 I'm in that world too. I listened to. 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.880 Thriller, right, and I listened to those records I listened to, 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.040 you know, and actually one of the folks that really 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.680 put me onto this was Tommy Mottola. So my first 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:46.600 my first record was with Casablanca. So I had records 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.000 and I came in and played it for Tommy and 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.759 he said, yo, right, these are good. But I got 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.839 my guy t bone Walk, and he's just gonna come 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.440 in and just play play the records for him and 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:58.399 just see what he come up with. Man, this guy 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.080 came in and put baseline lines and Tommy Mattola was 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:05.279 playing guitar because he because Sony's music studios are still 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.640 open at that time. He come in And so I 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.440 think there is a there is a there's a certain 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:16.080 magic of that time in that era, which is probably 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.439 nostalgic for me, you know what I'm saying. But I mean, listen, 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.200 you know, each generation has their own you know what, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:25.239 what what matters to them? You know what I'm saying. 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.359 I think for me, I'm just an old I'm old 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.760 school like that. You know what I'm saying, It matters 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:30.960 to me. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.600 I love analog. Yeah, where were you at when you 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.880 heard that? Kanye kind of like challenge. 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.279 A whole court. He did it on here, but he 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:40.320 kept going. 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.319 It just happened here, But like that was like, now, 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.879 I'm smarter, right now, I see that he Actually I didn't. 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:50.560 I didn't know I was living in them. I was 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:51.480 living in history. 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.640 Now that it's history, it's like, damn, it's the first 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.320 time you've seen a person. 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:57.600 I don't want you to say a black person. 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:01.360 I don't want to say a person period company and 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.399 then kind of like prove it like not the racist part. 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.240 But the fact is that they kind of kept selling 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:11.279 the sneakers. They kind of like like and was where 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.400 was you when you found out this? How you've got 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:14.640 a relationship with you? Yeah? 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:19.240 I really I kind of live in my own bubble, 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.520 you know what I'm saying. So I'll see little things 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:27.719 that are happening, but I mostly invest my energy, time 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.120 and resources where I can make a difference, and so 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:36.680 in that struggle, that's his struggle, maybe a phone call 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.480 of support is the most that I could offer. When 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.600 I'm talking about the artists that come to me and 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.360 they you know, they're not taking on a corporation head on, 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:45.880 but they want to take care of their mom or 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.399 they want to do whatever. I know that my time, 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.319 energy and resources is well spent, and I can see 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.879 the impact and the result of the investment that I'm making. 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.239 So you know, I think I might have just been, 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.800 you know, just wherever I was when I saw it, 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.600 and say, hey, look, you know, more power to those 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.560 who are fighting those fights. And I know where my 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.680 actual strengths are. I know where my muscle per se 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.759 can actually add value, because I. 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:14.560 Would think that him and Todd Dallas signs of poaches, 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:15.080 but a. 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:21.680 Loongs on your platform, Hey, let's make it happen. Not 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.040 because you have to think about it, all the things 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.560 that YE just talking about and been through. Then you 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.600 come to find out that Voltures was on Atlantic and 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:31.719 you're like, what that didn't. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.760 Make sense to me. I remember it was your monopoly 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.759 or some of it a tweet and it's like this 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.120 whole time I thought this is what you was fighting 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:41.480 for to be independent and then come to find out 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.520 you got a secret deal with Atlantic. It does does 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:44.279 not make me mad. 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.000 It just makes me disappointed because I'm just like, Wow, 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.600 I thought we were fighting for independency. 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.840 Hey, and I'm willing to be in the trenches and 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.319 fight for it with whoever wants to actually fight that fight. 0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:57.160 Some folks they don't want to fight to fight. They 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.839 actually they actually just want to be creative. They don't 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:05.320 want the actual added weight of actually having all of 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.320 their customer data. They want to just you know, And 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:10.320 it depends on where you are in life. What is 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.239 it that matters to you, you know what I'm saying. 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:17.800 But if you want to run your creative business and 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.760 enterprise at a data driven level, which is how every 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:28.279 great multi trillion dollar business runs their enterprise, Amazon knows 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.839 everything you've ever done on their platform, everything you've looked at, 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.640 they know. Instagram knows everything you've done on their platform, 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:39.080 everything you've looked at, they know every conversation you've had, 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:42.040 whether you give them permission to or not, it's on 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.839 their servers. Right. So if you decide that you want 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:50.480 to actually shoot for multi trillion dollar status, which now 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.760 there are several companies that have reached multi trillion dollar status. 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:57.400 We saw in video get to multi trillion dollar status 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.480 just this year. You have to run it and assume 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:06.920 the responsibility of managing, navigating, and analyzing that data and so. 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.240 And there's the AI tools to help you get out. 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.520 Of course, of course, of course, but you have to 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:14.160 have a desire to do it. So it's almost like 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.560 people will say, well, why so and so selling their publishing, Well, 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:21.560 it's because they would like to actually have bring forward 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.640 the actual revenue to today and let somebody else wait 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:29.359 for the revenue payoffs, right, And somebody will say, well, 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.239 you know, that's your annuity, that's your retirement plan. But 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.600 if you get two hundred million dollars up front, that's 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:37.759 tw hundred million dollars of front. You could do with 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.799 that what you want to do now, at the health 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:46.320 and strength that you have now, then waiting fourteen fifteen 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.040 years for that two hundred million to trickle in, you 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.359 know what I'm saying. So, I think everybody has their 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.880 different motivations and desires for how they want to run 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.520 their business, and more power to them for those that 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.680 want to run it at that level to have that 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:05.040 infrastructure technologically, analytically, then that's what we're here to help 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:05.360 out with. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.680 Now, what life would have been like if you never 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.960 lost that laptop and you made Watch the Dome album. 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:15.320 Wow, Well, I mean, actually we can look at the trajectory. 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.400 I'll probably be hit boy, there's nothing wrong with that. 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:19.279 It's nothing wrong with that. 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:20.240 It's nothing wrong. 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:23.520 Okay, because I think it's imparis I'm trying to yeah, Okay, okay, okay. 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.160 You know what I'm saying. Okay, And there's nothing wrong 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.600 with that. And I think he's had a he's had 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:32.320 an incredible run. Yeah classic, yeah to me, we know, 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:34.640 you know what I'm saying. But I think I think 0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:39.239 the world in the universe and God shows you where 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.600 your light can really shine, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.000 And that's how I really feel like. There are folks 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.040 that come to me yo, man yo, your studio videos, yo. 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:49.440 You know, like we just did a tiny desk, you 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:52.480 know what I'm saying. And the bottom line is, I 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:55.120 feel like the gauntlet has been passed. You know what 0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:58.479 I'm saying. We passed the mantle on now I'm doing 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:02.960 what the producer could actually do they can't do that. 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:06.600 Because I like, I don't when people say everything is 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.480 meant to be. Sometimes I think life makes a mistake 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.680 too sometimes because I just think I don't think like 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.560 would that record would have sound like what you hold? 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.440 And yeah, man, we got at that moment. 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.200 At that moment, I'm trying to figure out what because 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.960 you went hard for the laptop when that happens, so yeah, 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.960 and then I yeah, I kind of find out that 0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.479 was one of the reasons wives because you had watched 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:29.879 the Throne. 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:34.120 Yes, so they never came out, never came out, you 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.600 got That's why it's in the laptop. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:37.719 Right, you ain't got it never came out. 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.360 I want to hear how that record style, you know 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:41.200 what I mean as a fan, as a fan, I 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.400 want to hear that copies of that anywhere now. 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:48.000 I mean maybe maybe they have because we were recording 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.440 out in Bath, England. So whoever that engineer is, he 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.759 has he got Yeah, he has a big He. 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:58.520 Gonna tell that somebody he goes nobody he got him. 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.560 Now let me ask you, being the fact that you 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:05.320 have this direct relationship to your fanst We'll take a 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:06.240 couple of years. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:09.239 Back to the album yes, and the album was just 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:13.400 for one of one. One of one is one is 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.680 that something you've ever been offered to do? And two 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:17.760 would you do it? Yeah? 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:22.640 So I don't me personally, I truly believe that music 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:27.800 is forever to be distributed. Right. It is a strange 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.600 business model, right, I think it's an extremely strange business 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:36.360 model because literally I've seen art and it's hard to 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:40.120 wrap your brain around, especially down here are bossles down here. 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:44.640 Sometimes you go into these galleries and you literally see 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.960 it's a canvas and it's all red, and that's that's 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:48.640 the whole thing. 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:50.680 Garbage on the floor or whatever. 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.560 But it's literally someone paid twelve million or twenty two 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:56.360 million dollars or a hundred million for it, you know 0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:00.160 what I mean. So that doesn't exist in music, you know, 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.640 I'm saying. I think Wu Tang was at least shooting 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.480 for that. But I think the difference with music is 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:09.080 that it's it's created so that many can enjoy it, 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:09.840 you know what I'm saying. 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.040 You're right about that. I go to art be every year. 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:13.960 I haven't seen the paint and I like yet. 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:17.280 I have not seen ones we like her on the 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:18.880 walls outside you know what it is. 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:23.200 It's not meant for me, this is not this is 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.200 not for me. I'm here for the advance. I'm here 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:26.400 to talk and kissing babies. 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:28.880 But but there's some scamming it too, that's not Yeah, 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.040 it's an incredible viehic for. 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:40.000 People. There's people using exactly absolutely absolutely, So we want 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:41.400 to do quick time s line. Let's go. Let's go. 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:43.960 One thing when we talk about the number thing we 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.080 can't forget. We got shout up Mike Jones. He was 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:52.160 doing the yeah, yeah, you know Texas. He was on something. 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:53.000 Yes, it was. 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.640 I always thought ya, I wasn't giving out your real numbers. 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:56.560 This is your real number? 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:56.960 Really? 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:00.479 Okay, Okay, we're doing here, right guys. 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.640 Yeah, so do you want to get a designated drinker? Yeah, 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.400 because you ain't drinking. Look before we go on, before 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:12.400 we go on. This is a certain thing that I 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.400 love about having this job. 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.520 One is to see if the guest is drinking and 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:20.840 what they are drinking, right, and we always bet, well 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:22.480 if they're gonna be on time or not. 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:24.800 Okay, I lost to you to say you came at 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.200 four four. I was like, he's going to be here early. 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.400 And then the other thing that was was was very impressible. 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:30.720 Man. 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:34.200 Yeah, I bet on you lost whatever about it. We 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:37.000 had the circle of block. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, but 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:44.320 you got to be in there better. But I thought 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:47.000 when we did this that she was going to have, 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:50.680 like it's always someone say this is off the table 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.760 and you can't ask that. I thought you was going to. 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.680 I almost bet that she was going to say this 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:57.520 is off the table, this is that. And when I 0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.240 found out that you did not say none of that, 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.240 I was like, Wow, this guy is about that life. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:07.000 So yeah, that's that's all. Yeah, you'll be surprised or ship. 1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.000 We go through and people two minutes. 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:17.200 Before, as many of y'all know, drink Chance wants to 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.080 give flowers, but people are here to receive them, giving 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.960 flowers and celebrating our legends while they can still smell us. 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.760 We have partnered with What the Flowers to create this 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.720 movement where everyone can give flowers to the legends in 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.919 their lives. You can now order a custom flower box 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:34.560 for to someone you want to show appreciation to you 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:38.760 by visiting w w W dot w T flowers dot com. 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:40.040 Orders. 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.000 You're gonna go first. We want to get them a 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:51.080 designated rive. I explained, Can you explain. 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:54.640 We're gonna give you two names, two places to things, 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:56.720 and this is really just to bring up people, places 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:02.680 and things stories like anybody, you pick one and nobody drinks. 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:04.960 If you pick one, okay, nobody drinks. But if you 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.720 say both or neither of them, like you don't really 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:10.480 want to answer it, then we all drink the table drinks. 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:14.600 If you have a designated drinkers at Oh, Michael, yeah, 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:16.000 I a lot. 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.040 He look like you got drunk a lot of vacuum. 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:19.560 That changes. 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:29.320 Yeah, okay, So please, any stories come up with anybody. 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.480 We're not trying to diss anybody. It's all love for 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:33.360 everybody we mentioned. 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:37.439 He could be right there, Yeah, be on the side 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:41.439 of him. Okay, bet he said that's your Barbara, Mike fall. 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:44.439 Okay, I'm about to say that it's kind of weird 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:49.080 that Barbara are gonna drink cool my bad. Are you ready? Yes, 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.800 Kanye farrouh. We have a quativity one. 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.200 You said story. I gotta tell a story. No, no, no. 1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:59.480 The game is you pick one or you pick one 1:01:59.560 --> 1:01:59.840 or none? 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:01.360 Yeah, I picked one or none. 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.120 You can say both, No, you pick and if you pick, 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:06.240 we don't drink, right, if you pick one, we don't. 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:08.240 If I want everybody to drink, I say both. 1:02:10.640 --> 1:02:10.960 Smart. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:15.880 But we're saying if you've got stories with anything, this 1:02:15.960 --> 1:02:18.040 is really just to bring up names and places and 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:18.840 people you're working for. 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:24.160 Both Okay, Okay, he got a shot? Yeah, slo s 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:37.800 better not and baby shots because is okay? Oh yeah, yeah, 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:51.480 get to kill the Matt Delly. That was funny. That 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:51.920 was funny. 1:02:52.880 --> 1:03:02.880 Okay, let him get his drink. Okay, yeah, okay, that's funny. 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:05.320 There you go. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:10.439 Okay, Chris Brown or Usher, you gotta take one shot 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:16.600 off top to catch up Chris Brown Usher both? Damn 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:25.840 you both in all of this. Fabri kiss, I. 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:29.240 Know what you're gonna say, Fab's that's that's my guy. 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:33.080 I make great music together. How did you guys connect? 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:39.120 Man my the the late Gray Edwards? You know what 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:40.760 I'm saying. So I had a I had a record 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:44.360 call used to be and he said, Yo, we're gonna 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:47.640 get you need a feature on this, and he went 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:49.720 and got fab and you know what, I was so 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:52.000 naive early in the game. 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:52.640 What do you mean? 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:56.120 And so we got in the studio and I tried 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:58.200 to tell Fab I didn't like one of his lines 1:03:58.320 --> 1:03:58.880 or something like that. 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:06.640 Looking at me, He's like looking at me. I was 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:08.360 brand new, I had, I had. 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.080 It was it was my song. And was like, yo, 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.240 I got you know, I got surprised for you go 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:16.000 in the studio, Fab, you know, and and he said 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:18.800 something like it could be how it used to be, 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:22.760 uh because it used to be the charm. I'm early 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:26.160 like a rooster on a farm with a Jacob exclusive 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:30.080 on the arm. And I said, I said rooster like 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:34.000 that's not a good He was like looking at me, like, 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.760 you know, but from there we you know. He said, 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:39.800 look right, he said, look, this is what I'm known for, right, 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.080 Like you know these type of lines and punch lines. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:46.680 That's that's what I'm knowing. So I said, okay, place right. 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:49.440 I say, doctor Dre does that all the time. But 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:57.640 he was new, he was great new, Okay, okay, okay, 1:04:57.720 --> 1:05:05.480 brand okay, all right. Swiss and Timberland mm hmm, Swizz, 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:08.960 you worked more of a Swiss, right. 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:13.800 I've actually never I never met Timbo. Never met really 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:18.640 I mean talk about a super huge student, but never 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:19.320 met Timbo. 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:23.600 Hopefully that changes up to you. Yeah, for sure, Premo 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:34.479 or p Rock neither. We don't drink. We do drink neither, Okay, 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:37.720 any reason why neither? Just no, no influence there. 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:39.960 Well, no, I just don't have any. 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:41.840 I don't. 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:43.560 I don't have any. You say that I don't have 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:47.760 a story, right, No, No, it's. 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:48.240 Not about. 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.840 Any any criteria to if you picked somebody, it could 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:54.880 be anything. It doesn't have to be a story. We 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:56.960 just say if you have a story, he's just so smart. 1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:02.920 Just over. But sure, okay, So if we go back, 1:06:09.400 --> 1:06:14.880 like damn you don't like pretty much? You got it? Yeah, 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:20.280 Johnny Gill or Ralph Tresvan both. I think you're gonna say, 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:24.160 Ralph tres Both, I mean I did that. I did 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:28.280 the New Adition record. That's right, both, New Addition, that's right. Well, 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:31.600 I don't know who're gonna go with this, Michael Jackson 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:33.560 or Prince. And if you got a story with Elip, 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:34.760 please chair. 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:40.919 We gotta go both? 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:43.040 You give neither? 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:46.160 Look like both on that. 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:51.440 That's hilarious. Good gonna the table any story with m 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:51.959 J Prince? 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:58.080 Well, I actually the closest I ever got to having 1:06:58.120 --> 1:07:02.160 a Michael Jackson story was just being around these producers 1:07:02.240 --> 1:07:06.080 from Philly vidaland Dre and they had done they've been 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:08.280 working with Floyd Tree and I remember being in the 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:11.720 studio session and they were playing the Butterflies record that 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:15.160 Marcia had written for Mike, and I was just like yo, 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.360 and I think they had his vocals and it was 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:23.240 that's the closest to an actual store. And then I 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:26.440 think the VMA's one year, I actually was able to 1:07:26.520 --> 1:07:28.920 ask Quincy Jones. He was backstage at the VMA, so 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:31.000 I was able to ask him a question, you know, 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.640 just about that. But that's the closest I've ever been. 1:07:33.760 --> 1:07:37.320 But in terms of just Prince in general, that's a 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:41.440 whole nother level. In terms of musicianship and independence, he was. 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:41.760 Yeah. 1:07:42.240 --> 1:07:45.360 And also when you think about it, the legend is 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:48.120 that he was sixteen years old and he went in 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:51.080 the studio and he didn't have a demo. He just 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:53.240 went in the studio and just made it in front 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:58.480 of everybody's and so that really was what inspired That's 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:00.680 what I'm saying, at like sixteen or seven, team, he 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:03.400 didn't have the demo, They just say yo, they put 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:05.240 the tape. And this is back when they were running 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.760 the tapes, you know, what I'm saying. He laid all 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:10.880 the drums, then he said, you're running back, laid the 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:13.640 guitar running back, and laid the bass running back, laid 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:16.400 the vocals, et cetera. So that's really what the blueprint 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.400 was for all of the studio videos that I was making, 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:20.280 you know what I'm saying. 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:23.719 Speaking of Prince, non source the story on this show 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.400 he's We asked him if anybody ever denied him, and 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:29.720 he said Prince denied him because he didn't own his 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:33.559 own Master's. Prince was on but You was loud show. 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:35.760 He was telling people you own your own ship. So 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:42.439 imagine that coach IV got the mike Liz for Ralph 1:08:42.479 --> 1:08:43.639 sent him a bunch of beats. 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.880 This story is amazing. And Michael called him and said, no, 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:56.439 I want with I want? He was like, if you. 1:08:58.479 --> 1:08:58.679 Fact? 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.000 I always what your mike listening to me like gatest it. 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:05.519 Out like something else says like in the back he's 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:08.519 listening like literally here for rel sweat and like He's like, yo, 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:10.680 you don't believe it's called And I'm like. 1:09:10.720 --> 1:09:12.920 What He's like. I took got a form with Michael 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:16.120 Jackson's people and they said, if nor gang I wanna beat, 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:20.280 don't send us to beat. Wow, always bike in the car, 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:25.200 put a band on. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:32.160 I had a flashback Di Angelo or Anthony Hamilton, the Angelo. 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:35.160 I heard he's coming up with a new project too. 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:42.200 Man, even if this man never came out with another project. Yeah, 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:46.519 the Voodoo album was yeah, absolutely Wu Tang or n 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:50.559 w a Wu tang. 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.400 Teddy Riley or Raphael sad m. 1:09:57.760 --> 1:09:58.439 Teddy Riley. 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:02.120 It was because of proximity of Virginia. I wouldn't say 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:06.480 that well, I mean Virginia. Well, I mean and Teddy. 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:11.240 First of all, just right, so Black Street guy. And 1:10:11.400 --> 1:10:15.559 then if you talk about Pharrell Timbo, they came out 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:21.160 of there, yeah, I mean and Davante and Jojessy. Literally 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:26.720 I was studying everything those guys, did you know so? 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.040 And they all said Teddy was the he was the 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:31.320 godfather basically. 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:33.960 Now, this is what I don't know where you're gonna 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.920 go with This could go either way. I could beat 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:38.439 on your answer, but I'm gonna think I'm gonna lose 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:39.960 because you've been shocking me all day. And give us 1:10:39.960 --> 1:10:43.439 the story if you got one Quincty Jones or doctor dre. 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:49.360 The R and B is pulling you one way and 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:50.680 then Pop is pulling you the other. 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:56.880 Dre Wow did not know. 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:57.760 I did not expect that. 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:05.120 No, And the only reason is the in the club 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:09.479 beat was the beat that that that I basically I 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:12.800 felt like I modeled my entire career off of just 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:18.280 the beat itself, because basically, like even right now, I 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:28.600 could go and basically the simplicity of that and the 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:33.120 ability even without the lyrics, for me to just actually 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.679 be able to beat box that beat, and how simple 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:42.160 it was and how it not unbelievable. So when you 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:46.280 think about the biggest record I ever had, I can 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:52.760 sing that bing bing bing bing bing bing bink and 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.560 and and if you think about that, how sparse that 1:11:55.800 --> 1:12:01.560 is sonically? I mean, so I mean and also to 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:09.240 be honest, Quincy just seems like worlds apart, even for 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:11.439 me musically, in terms of what. 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:17.280 As a producer, like planet or just historically, how are 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:18.280 you seeing worlds apart? 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.800 Well, I'm saying like if somebody came to me and say, Yo, 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:27.960 here's a forty piece big band orchestra and arrange something 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:32.400 for Frank Sinatra, Quincy Jones closed his eyes and conducted, 1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:36.439 you know what I'm saying. So I don't even put 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:40.120 my like, you know, Steve Prince, you know, I don't 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:42.880 even put myself in that, you know. But when we 1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:46.000 when I think about the reason why I say Dre is, 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:50.200 I feel like, Okay, I'm not. I wasn't necessarily musically trained. 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:52.880 I don't know if Dre was musically trained, but he 1:12:53.160 --> 1:12:58.280 had there was something first. So that's to be able 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:03.720 to recognize and be that sort of sonic architect, you 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:04.160 know what I mean. 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:08.519 So that's you know, the next three Mary J. Blise 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:22.360 or Eric a bad both, thank you? Yeah, light work both, 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:30.599 booth booth both either hit make up or hit boy. Yeah, 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:34.719 don't look at me neither. I don't. 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:38.840 I don't. No stories are either one no no stories, 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:41.720 and remember what the story we're gonna go on this 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:44.240 forse with stories. That's that. 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:47.519 Just make that clear. 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:52.360 That's your no stories analog or did you. 1:13:52.400 --> 1:13:54.880 You took your shop? Bro Oh, I've been took the shop. Okay, 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:57.439 I got another one analog analog and me too. 1:13:57.520 --> 1:14:00.840 I'm with you on that, and then you can go 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:06.799 to go to the next ones thriller or bad thrillers. 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:08.599 Tell you it was the thriller, type of dude thriller 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.960 that I don't know. I just feel like he had 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:16.640 the jacket at one point, gloves or coming boss like that, 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:19.880 like in a good way. A lot of us had 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:23.240 that Michael Jackson glove stop righting, yeah, looking around people, 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.040 not even gonna make eye contact right now. They had 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:31.560 had the jacket too, had all right, Whitney, Okay, you go, 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:39.840 you start Whitney or ritha Whitney, d J Quicker the Riza, 1:14:41.040 --> 1:14:41.639 Mm hmm. 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:45.920 Neither. 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:57.120 You're neither. Yeah, I'm not used to it. The tupocket 1:14:57.200 --> 1:14:57.680 d m X. 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:03.639 POC. 1:15:04.760 --> 1:15:08.280 You got a story, then this is your criteria. Yes, okay, 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:11.920 but I obviously he was going before way. But but 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.799 my like I said, we started the whole. 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:23.280 Cassie project and Rashid literally it was like, yo, I 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:25.880 don't care who you're listening to, et cetera, et cetera. 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:30.840 It's all Pac all the way. And also uh poc 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:35.519 because there was when I I actually was one of 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:38.439 those kids that went to a band camp and I 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.800 you know, I had camp. I went to a band camp, 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:49.519 so so you know, I had one of those you know, 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:55.000 one of those super early adolescent you know crushes, and 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:59.479 she she basically, you know, I wanted to make records, 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:02.559 you know, write songs. And she was like, oh, well, 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:04.560 you know, I'm doing this song for Mother's Day and 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:07.840 she she had the Dear Mama song from from back then. Yeah, 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:08.559 exactly right. 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:24.760 Cool Isaac Hayes or Curtis Mayfield, mhm, neither. Okay, she 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:28.640 knows you better go down. Okay, I know where you're 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:30.280 gonna pick on this one. At least let me take 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:30.519 the shot. 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:34.720 I say he's picking the second he's been saying. I 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:39.919 been saying like James James Brown, James Brown. 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:44.960 Or Jimmy Hendrix Sun like Jimmy Hendrick and Bob Marley 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:50.639 is like your your thing, but James Brown both both 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:53.880 both because you're a fan of Jimmy Hendrick and mar Yeah, 1:16:53.920 --> 1:16:56.759 like that's that's yeah, but but for different yeah different 1:16:56.960 --> 1:16:57.759 and James Brown. 1:16:57.880 --> 1:16:59.920 Yeah, James Brown, James Brown. 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:01.400 He came up to me and said, keep saying playing 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:02.960 my ship ship Okay. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:06.840 I mean, if I look at the Dodging Girl video, 1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:09.880 that's that's a that's a James Brown. That's actually a 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:13.120 James Brown reference. You know where, because in that video 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:16.040 I'm wearing the tuxedo. I come down to join. We 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:19.679 got the band playing. That's that's the actual James Brown reference. 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:22.400 Everybody took this shot. Oh I took my shot already, 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:30.120 this one. Thank you. So I'm gonna ask you this, 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:33.560 but then I'm I'm gonna ask you in exceparately a 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:36.080 different way. Major or independent? 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:41.480 Major independent? Independent? 1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:45.760 Okay, your first two albums was on Motown. Correct, Yes, 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:49.920 this is this is This is me being a straight 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:53.880 spoiled It was hard for me to go from a 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:59.200 major to independent because I like the four Seasons. I like, 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:05.680 you know, sether sist And when I went from major independent, 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:07.599 I had to down grade. I don't know if that's 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:08.400 the right world, but. 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:13.120 It is. Damn yeah, but I had to down grade. 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:16.640 It was yeah, yeah, like it was. I had to 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:20.040 go back to the sheriff team. But it was completely 1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:23.800 different from me I had. Like I wasn't a multi 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:27.040 platinum like I had. There was a lot of respect 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:31.280 for the musicianship, but it wasn't like our multi platinum 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:35.479 Billboard number one hits and you know, records and clubs 1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:38.200 and the hottest et cetera, et cetera. But it looked 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:41.840 like that to us at least it maybe maybe maybe 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:45.120 maybe it looked like that. But I mean, to be frank, 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:47.760 we sold one hundred and eighty thousand records the first 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:51.160 town and sixty thousand on the second. Now, the second 1:18:51.200 --> 1:18:53.639 one we got nominated for a Grammy. But I mean 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.720 that's a total of I mean that's we didn't we 1:18:56.760 --> 1:19:00.120 didn't even you know, and still the era where you 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:02.519 had to sold like crazy amount of records. 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:02.760 Yeah. 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:06.599 Literally, I heard you say this before, but you literally 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:09.960 made more money for your independent albums than you did now. 1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:14.120 Is that entirety? How about the tours? Yeah, but that's 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:16.479 what I'm saying. I didn't even tour off of those albums. 1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:18.840 You know what I'm saying and what you're saying. 1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:22.160 So like once we went independent, then I understood, like, Okay, 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:24.479 this is how we're going to really get to the money, 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:28.680 because that's I think. What's so it's very opaque when 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.479 you're a major label. You're at the major label, things 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:35.040 are paid for, studios paid for, advance is paid for, 1:19:35.360 --> 1:19:38.080 travel is paid for, et cetera. But then once the 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:40.880 sales come in, unless you reach a certain amount, you 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:43.960 gotta wait till your next album budget opens up before 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:44.800 you get paid again. 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:47.720 It's a bank yeah, age first deal or something like 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:48.360 something like that. 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:50.479 And that's what I'm saying. It's just like you know, 1:19:51.720 --> 1:19:54.760 for me, I don't like that opacity. I want to 1:19:54.920 --> 1:20:00.200 have full trans that again, yes I want yeah, so 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:05.400 old paid. That means contret you know you want. I 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:09.960 want full transparency, right, And so that was quote unquote 1:20:10.040 --> 1:20:12.599 none of my business. You know how much did they make? 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:13.000 You know? 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:15.439 And so that's why I really wanted to go independent 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.040 because I was like, Yo, if we sold one hundred 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:21.240 eighty thousand records the first time, how did I only 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:24.160 sell We're in the information age, how do I only 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:27.719 sell sixty thousand the second time? We should just email 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:29.040 everybody the first. 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:31.439 US sales because they could have did that. And like 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:33.280 you said, they didn't give you the information. So maybe 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:36.800 you sold because we were saying the records everywhere, so 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:38.080 we had maybe. 1:20:39.320 --> 1:20:43.080 I truly believe, man, I think that the records were 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:47.559 favorites amongst artists. So if artists were sending round, yo, 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.640 you heard Ryan's join, et cetera, they were favorites. But 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:53.000 when I went to Germany, I was not on the radio. 1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:56.280 In Germany, everything was on little mixtapes. People were spending 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:59.559 it in clubs, et cetera. But there was that real 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.439 ground swell of people that's like, yo, I like this music. 1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:02.920 You know. 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:08.720 I remember me asking for like account and things like that, 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:11.040 and they're telling me that. The recordats saying, oh yeah, 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:13.880 we spent five hundred grand in Japan and we spent 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:17.439 two hundred and fifty thousand of Germany and we've been 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:21.679 we spent this in only in duself my favorite player. 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:27.040 I'm gonna have Burg Frankfoot, all that, you know, Berlin 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:27.479 and all that. 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:27.720 You know. 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:29.840 I've been right some time. But what I'm trying to 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.719 say is when they did that to me, I couldn't 1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:34.560 like it was I don't know. I don't want to 1:21:34.560 --> 1:21:36.880 say it wasn't ordered in back then. I just didn't 1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:38.800 know about it. There was no way for me to 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:41.640 There was no Instagram, so they said they had a 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:44.200 poster of me in Japan. I had to just tell you, 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:47.200 you know now that they were scamming everybody that way 1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:51.040 for real. Yes, the marketing budgets they were, they were 1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:54.720 ciphoning money like I got cal This is why, this 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:56.120 is why, this is why. 1:21:56.000 --> 1:21:57.720 You love the majors because the era that you were 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.000 in was when the record labels were flushed with cats, 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:01.800 so they didn't make you pay back. 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:03.200 They would be like, cool, they will let you off. 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:04.519 Your cousin's so flush with cash. 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:07.880 Still, let's not It was crazier back then. That's the 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:11.439 record of off of CDs. I love Mark back there. 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:14.599 I love this isn't argue all the time because he's 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:18.640 a super independent guy, which I just think that independent. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.639 If you want to go to major, be independent first 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.760 so you can leverage and have a better deal. 1:22:22.800 --> 1:22:25.000 Oh no, with the machine, I. 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:28.320 Feel the opposite, And you can tell me. I feel 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:30.040 like you should be go major first. 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:32.599 Let them spend that budget on you, yescause they can't 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:34.760 never take back your friends. It's not like that now. 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:37.960 In his era was now they're accounting for every penny. 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:43.280 I'm not a dinosaur man. Yeah, yeah, ago, in the 1:22:43.439 --> 1:22:45.320 terms of the record business, it was. Yeah. 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:49.280 What I'm saying though, is I agree if somebody else 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:52.200 is going to spend the money to make you famous, 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:55.160 and then you can actually leverage that and make sure 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:56.679 you do it the right way and you can. 1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:59.479 Come out whole. But now a lot of these artists 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.800 aren't coming out whole. They're stuck in that now. And 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:06.880 these deals, you mean there was so they kissed the money. 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:10.680 They haven't recouped. Someone who stuck with the record then 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:12.800 you could not recoup. And they were doing well. The 1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:13.479 labels they. 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:15.760 Could have had liked you as an artist, We're like cool, yeah, 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:17.600 no problem, and we'll let you out your deal. Let 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:19.559 this person buy you out your like they were making 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:20.680 deals left and right. 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:24.639 I don't think as Norrie, I never recouped. I did 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:27.320 as Norri, I spent so much money. I mean, like 1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:29.920 I wanted to Norri signs. 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.160 Today he's signing a three sixty deal where the name 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.320 Noriego or Norri is violent label. 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:38.000 And when you don't recoup, you can't use that name. 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:42.479 You better go on as Sir Francis Junior ncut there, 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:49.320 make a little buddy time. They got spooky are crumbling 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:51.439 as we see them right now. I think the tech 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:52.880 companies are the new record labels. 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:54.400 They're his. 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:57.639 I think your Idea period is a new record label 1:23:57.800 --> 1:23:58.280 for those two. 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:01.640 I'm talking about the bad guys. When I say imagine, 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:06.680 now imagine, we take you your concept concept right and 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:09.760 now you showing people you listen, because even when you 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:11.839 was dropping independent, it looked like you was apasior. 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:17.320 Oh because we I mean we were, we were moving 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:20.040 that way. You know what I'm saying, which is but 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:23.599 that's the other piece of it is it requires also 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:28.439 the financial infrastructure because otherwise, like if you can make 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:32.439 one hundred grand, pay four thousand dollars a month forever, 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:35.439 then that means you can make a million dollars, pay 1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:39.920 forty thousand dollars a month whatever. Right, So that's really 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:45.160 Once you have both the business infrastructure and the financial infrastructure, 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:48.679 then it becomes an infinite loop. And that infinite loop 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:51.800 is really what that's really what an artist needs to 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:54.519 be able to say, like, you know what, I want 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:58.040 to go record my next album and in France somewhere 1:24:58.200 --> 1:24:59.519 you know, like the Rolling Stones City. 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:03.920 Yes, right, so you know what I think? 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:07.880 I think you being as smart as you are, right, 1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:11.599 you having this early idea that's fucking genius. 1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:14.120 We all know. We all know it's genius, and we all. 1:25:14.040 --> 1:25:18.000 Know if it works, when it works, how artist the 1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:23.160 artist can benefit off of this? Right now, radio is 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:26.760 still important, right, I told this the fact Joe the 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:28.040 other day, I was like, Yo, if I was to 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:29.519 ever drop a record again. 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:34.360 You're gonna work by radio like him, Like, I don't 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:35.680 want you to hire somebody there. 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:40.080 You you know, you know every PD he's put in 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:43.360 twenty seven to more years he's been in that work. 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:46.519 But Joe has to fight. He did it. I feel 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:50.360 like that's the future, Like when the concept that you 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:53.840 have for artists working for other artists and artists are 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:57.000 saying I always love Violator for that Violator was like 1:25:57.160 --> 1:26:00.479 artists managing artist. Chris Lighty was like an artist. Yeah, 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.000 And that's why I think this is going. 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:06.920 Like I know it's sounding so minute, but I feel 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:09.799 like fat Joe will be running ahead of a radio apartment. 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:12.080 See how he just dropped the record just now, and 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:16.160 it's just everywhere everywhere, not because he's my friend, she 1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:19.719 was just everywhere, and I'm like, he knows what he's doing. Eventually, 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:23.120 we're going to hire ourselves to do. 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:26.280 To do, to work on your platform. You think it's 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:28.160 gonna go that way, let me speak to his. 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:31.320 I would like to see that. We don't. What I 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:35.479 will say though, is just as you said, there will 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:40.040 be other iterations of platforms for folks to actually communicate 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:44.120 with their fans. I think the money piece is more 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:48.200 of an issue because the money piece is what people, 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:50.679 even like you said when we started this conversation, said, 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:53.000 I didn't know there was something that could do that, right, 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:57.000 And so I feel as though for me, even moving 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:01.120 from music to technology is because I felt like I 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:05.240 could serve a wider transh of the population. 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:12.519 Just go right. 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:18.120 So I think the spread, I think now you're right, 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:24.240 But the ability for money management from the concept of 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:27.160 what artists really like, because we, like you said, we 1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:31.000 like the four Seasons, we like the you know, if 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:33.080 we can if we give fly charter, we like the 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:35.560 fly charter. If we could go vacation, we could go 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:38.519 on a destination recording. We'd rather do that than the 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:42.519 bedroom recording. Right, So it's about how do you work 1:27:42.600 --> 1:27:45.840 the finances to be able to deliver that. And that's 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:48.840 why I think, like you said, when we when we 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:51.200 were doing independent albums, we still. 1:27:53.040 --> 1:27:55.479 I thought you were still on the major I'm saying, 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:57.200 like me and him always arguing, and it's like, yo, 1:27:57.240 --> 1:27:58.880 you know what, it's taking the best of both worlds 1:27:58.920 --> 1:27:59.559 and mix it together. 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.160 And I think that's what this is like for us 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:02.679 to make. 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:06.439 Independent money, yes, but to look like a major, look 1:28:06.520 --> 1:28:08.560 like a major is back in it, because then you 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:09.360 lose nothing. 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:13.120 You actually gain everything. And I believe that this is 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:15.080 a and to be I believe you struck. 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.479 You struck, to stand struck, to stand on your own 1:28:17.479 --> 1:28:23.800 independently and strike strategic partnerships with whatever major entities. That's 1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:26.280 that's really the goal, because that's where a lot of 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:28.000 them you can get a lot of financing from. 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:30.120 Why it started to cut you off. 1:28:30.200 --> 1:28:32.000 Think about it when you're doing it on your own, 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:35.160 and if you don't show up to the radio station, 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:37.120 it all gets on you. But now if you have 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.880 somebody who's professional in that position, it's like you don't 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:42.880 you're still independent, but you got somebody else helping us, saying, 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:44.759 you know, listen, we got to make it the cosmic 1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:47.680 cab at five pm, he's going to pull our record if. 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:48.200 We don't do it. 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:50.720 If you have somebody who has that experience, I think, 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:52.559 why wouldn't you do that? I think that's the only 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.280 thing that's missing from this beautiful idea. It's like, you 1:28:56.360 --> 1:28:59.120 know what it might be really us running us. When 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:02.360 I say us, don't mean you raise, I mean the people. 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.880 That's a part of the culture. What I'm saying, it's 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:06.519 it's important, it's important. 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.759 I think we should make a noise to that. Okay, 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:16.360 had the moment ahead. Where are we at here? Okay? 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:18.080 Are they over there snitching on you saying you ain't 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:24.439 take the shot? Ellmatic or ready to die. 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:26.479 Both? 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:28.840 Okay? Yeah, yeah, that's a great answer. 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:29.640 You need to know this. 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.360 I bet you didn't think he was. He was gonna 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:41.519 come again with your kid drinker, but now you drinking 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:44.200 to a drink sa I got. 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:51.920 On the time Diana Ross or Donna Summers, Diana Ross 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:53.360 from lew that. 1:29:55.000 --> 1:29:59.040 Missy or Eve? Missy? That was any stories? You're not 1:29:59.080 --> 1:29:59.920 telling us any stories? 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:07.600 Diana Ross. That's a favorite of my mother's, you know. 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:13.559 And uh, Missy Elliott, I mean just sort of set 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:18.439 the standard. And I think I think, really, did. 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:24.720 You say Diana Ross and Missy No, Diana Ross or. 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:27.639 Donna Summer and you said Missy or or Eve? 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:29.920 And so he asked the two questions at one time. 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:41.360 Right now, Missy? Really, you know, I think the signing 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:46.559 of Missy out of that camp as well, right at first, right, 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:50.360 I mean, that whole camp. Honestly was just super ultra 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.680 incredibly ill because that was it was Timbo, it was 1:30:53.840 --> 1:30:57.840 Missy was genuine, it was play. 1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:00.439 But it's like it's like for us to something in 1:31:00.479 --> 1:31:04.120 the water over there. Yeah, you know going on? Yeah, yeah, 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:09.200 it's crazy. I got next one, all right, Stevie Wonder 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:13.080 and Marvin Gaye Stevie Wonder. Did I hear that Stevie 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:14.680 Walker walked to the stage one time? 1:31:15.680 --> 1:31:18.799 Yes, he's confirmed. 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:22.560 You can see we always get told us we have 1:31:22.880 --> 1:31:26.519 so many stories. I'm seeing a lot of ship. Did 1:31:26.600 --> 1:31:28.479 I hear that story that ye walk to the stage 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:29.280 together something like that? 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:32.680 Yeah, okay, I forget where I was performing and it 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:33.160 was something. 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.400 Yeah, he didn't have a walking stick, let's be real. 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:37.519 He walked up, was like, what's up? 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:52.919 Like, like, yeah, I respect that motive or phantom motif 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:59.599 playing guys you got this arm? 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:05.800 Yeah right? Or ghosts the race, Well he's he's thinking 1:32:05.840 --> 1:32:07.679 he went cars he put it together. 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:11.280 That's not what it was, right, you know, I said, right? 1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:20.679 Or ghost Space Ray Kuan or go Space talking about 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.080 I'm glad I think you you saved me for. 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:28.880 This one one because he actually did a record with me. Wow, Wow, 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:41.280 Moriah or Lisa Keys both man's so much more life 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:52.080 music industry or the tech industry. We're both okay, And 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:54.479 I knew he was gonna say that, Like I said, 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:58.439 it's not even in there. That's not in there. I 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:00.800 just made that up and I new it's not. 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:05.000 In it real quick, okay, because before when I said 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:08.400 about the tech industry is taking over the music industry, 1:33:08.760 --> 1:33:10.760 what is your take on that, Like how everybody's kind 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:14.479 of vilifying the Spotify's and all the DSPs. 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:18.280 Like, what do you think it's necessary? I think they 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:19.280 necessary evil. 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:25.520 I believe that there's a symbiotic relationship between the creativity 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:28.800 and the technology. Is necessary and it will take several 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:34.360 iterations until it will be perceived as fair. But I believe, 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:38.000 like you know that there there was no other way 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:43.960 to go than a Netflix or a Spotify, right. But 1:33:44.040 --> 1:33:46.720 do you like it's all the entire library of all 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:49.160 recorded music is in my device right now? Well, the 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:51.800 lever of humanity is yeah, but that but that's what 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:56.040 I'm saying. So it's it's inevitable, and it's almost like 1:33:56.160 --> 1:33:58.800 how people are they might want to vilify AI, but 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:01.680 it's inevitable, and so you were just we were just 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:06.519 talking about motif versus you know, phantom. But when you 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:10.800 think or STEVIEE Wonder, the guy Ray Kurzweil who made 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:15.920 the cursewhile synthesizer, he's a you know, a super forward 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:19.720 thinker on what's called technological singularity where you won't be 1:34:19.760 --> 1:34:23.760 able to tell the difference between a human and a 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.160 and a robot at some point. He believes that at 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:30.479 some point it's going to converge. And so that's why 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.519 you have a neural link from Eli Musk or whatever 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:36.160 that he will put a chip and it's like, okay, 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:41.280 you either assimilate or do you you know, at some 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:42.800 point there are folks that are going to say, hey, 1:34:42.800 --> 1:34:44.439 I don't want the chip in my child. But then 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:46.800 does that mean that your child is not going to 1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:50.240 be behind all the other kids that have a chip. Right, 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:53.240 So at some point there is going to have to 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:58.680 be some sort of of you know, convergence, and it's 1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.080 about us as as a as a race, as a 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:06.200 species understanding how we do that in the safest way possible. 1:35:06.280 --> 1:35:08.840 But putting your financial cap on, don't you think that 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:12.400 the conversation should be have because these we're seeing it 1:35:12.560 --> 1:35:13.080 in real time. 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:16.759 The DSPs are making an incredible amount of money. Spotify 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.240 has got three hundred and sixty five million billions and 1:35:19.240 --> 1:35:20.160 they're making billions. 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:24.719 I mean, yeah, yeah, off of you know, because obviously 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:27.240 the model is that now anybody could be an artist 1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:27.880 and feed that. 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:31.160 Yeah, and you know, and and it generates income. 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:34.559 But that's exactly what I'm saying. At some point, through 1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:38.280 different iterations, we will get to a relationship that is 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:42.080 fair and equitable. But in the early stages, he who 1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:48.000 controls the cash flow controls how the actual pie is divided, 1:35:48.240 --> 1:35:50.639 you know what I'm saying. And right now, as as. 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:54.280 You're optimistic that it will pan out. 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:56.240 It's inevitable. In my opinion, Like. 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.200 Snoop Dogg, I believe he's the first one that said 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:00.840 it's unfair these music splits are. 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:02.880 Yeah, he's the one at that status, but a lot 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:05.200 of people have been saying that, Yeah, yeah, I believe 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:06.920 he's the first one I saw, like yeah, yeah, no, no, 1:36:07.000 --> 1:36:09.280 definitely at that status that was willing to step up. 1:36:13.320 --> 1:36:23.680 All right, producing or singing, singing, performing. I mean there's 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:27.439 really just no Yes, being a producer is awesome, but 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:32.760 I mean there is no, there is. There is no 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:37.559 substitute for being on stage in front of I mean 1:36:38.640 --> 1:36:40.439 talk about it. You could be in it, you could 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:42.960 be in the lab and imagine it as a producer. Yo, 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:44.760 this is going to be crazy at such and such, 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:49.400 but when you do that festival stadium you got people 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:52.880 jumping and singing every word back is no, there is 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:53.920 no substitute for that. 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:56.479 I always say an artist that's a producer is the 1:36:56.560 --> 1:37:00.960 most unselfish person on the planet because in order for 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:06.320 you to make a hit, especially after you know where 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:09.120 I hit it feels right, that must be feeling like 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.519 giving a like a the way. 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:15.000 Have you ever given away of record? 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:17.320 It was like, well that was that first record, that 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:18.080 was hot Tonight. 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:20.560 Okay, that was that first d You want to get that? 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:26.519 No, but you had it? Yeah, we let it go, 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:27.840 let it wow? 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.080 Okay, all right. 1:37:30.600 --> 1:37:34.280 Lionel Richie or Smokey Robinson, Lionel Richie, you got a 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:34.880 story with him. 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:41.519 Well, in my family, they're very religious family, So there 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:47.360 were only two non religious A tracks in our house, 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:49.920 and one was Linel Richie and the other one was 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:50.679 Michael Jackson. 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:54.800 Everything else was easy like Sunday morning. 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:56.920 Well, I mean it was no, No, it was the 1:37:57.000 --> 1:37:59.640 one with All Night Long on it. 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:05.799 Yeah yeah, okay out Cast gk. 1:38:07.640 --> 1:38:08.200 Our Casts. 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:13.000 It's a twenty fifth anniversary of Outcast the first Yeah, 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:15.559 I probally like the second album. 1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:22.840 Rick Ross or Meek mill Rose clips or marb deep 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:31.840 Oh clips just because push your tears on something that 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:32.160 I like. 1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:33.679 Very happy. 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:37.120 He just he's just right right now. That's that's his 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:43.040 fan clips over here. Laurence Hill or Queen Latifa, Lauren Hill. 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:45.360 I was going to say Lauryn Hill no matter who 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:45.760 you said. 1:38:45.880 --> 1:38:48.400 Second, and the reason for that is just you know, 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:52.840 uh two parts of that once again grew up very 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:57.760 almost sheltered. But yeah, that's all my mother could talk about, 1:38:57.760 --> 1:39:00.160 My mother and father could talk about. No was her 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:04.559 performance in Sister Yeah, yeah kid, Yeah. 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:06.439 Do you realize she only has one album? 1:39:07.800 --> 1:39:10.160 That's all you need? That's crazy, that's all you need 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:12.280 that album? 1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:14.519 When you have that, that's all you need. I mean 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:17.800 you got to count the Fuji's. Yeah, that is her album. 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:19.840 We didn't say, but that's. 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:22.720 Another it's all. 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:26.880 In my opinion, that's as close but almost as close 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:31.080 to a perfect album as you can possibly get in 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.360 terms of what in terms of what I like. 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:35.800 I mean a lot of everybody would agree with you. 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:41.800 The world, the production, the songs, the emotion. I was 1:39:41.840 --> 1:39:44.360 actually this crazy. I was just watching. I think it 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:47.040 must must have been like an MTV unplugged or something 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:50.479 like that. And then she actually because one of my 1:39:50.600 --> 1:39:53.800 favorite records is the X Factor record. But then there's 1:39:53.840 --> 1:39:56.559 a clip on YouTube where she actually is freestyling at 1:39:56.560 --> 1:39:58.400 the end of it and it's all live and it's 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:00.559 just that whole vibe is just and. 1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:04.240 The fact how Son is out here, Yes, a part 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:08.759 of the mally extended that that is great. That is greatness. 1:40:09.200 --> 1:40:11.400 Her album is such a positive album too. Yeah. 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:16.080 Yeah, it's the last one for quick time of sliming. 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:21.240 We get back into the interview. Loyalty or respect? 1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:24.040 Loyalty? 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:25.720 Wow? 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:31.800 Loyalty? Well, I mean, listen, you can be respected by many, 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:35.640 even by those who don't know you. But to have 1:40:35.880 --> 1:40:39.280 loyalty or to have true betrayal, someone really has to 1:40:39.360 --> 1:40:39.560 know you. 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:48.920 M that was hard. He's got a flight sing. Okay, 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:52.640 what times it's flight? Mister Lee? Yoh we got you 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:57.720 drunk man? Yeah yeah, yeah, don't take my last shot 1:40:57.760 --> 1:40:57.920 with you. 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:06.439 Okay, Okay, let's talk about the wealth Plan before we 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:09.000 get about it at what exactly is the wealth Plan? 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:11.559 They'll be touched on it a little bit earlier, but. 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:15.599 I feel I feel like we've we've covered it because 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:20.080 it's it's more of a concept than an actual, you know, 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:23.360 the wealth Plan. So it's just more of the fact 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:28.040 that we have a service that we provide, whether it's 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:32.040 to artists, musicians, but anybody. I have folks that have 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:35.240 been longtime fans of mine but work at Facebook, work 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:37.760 at Google, and they're like, Hey, I mean, I'm the 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:40.439 first person in my family making tech money, and I 1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:43.240 don't want I want to be that different differentiator in 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:46.960 my family for how our money is going to grow, 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:49.479 you know. And that's the crazy piece about it is 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:52.080 you could be really smart in technology, you could be 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:54.200 really smart in college, you could be really smart in music, 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:56.559 you can be really smart in business, but you don't 1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:59.599 know anything about investing and how to make the money 1:41:59.680 --> 1:42:02.799 work for you and last forever, and how to actually 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:07.160 do it in the right ways with tax laws and 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:09.719 all that kind of stuff that allows you to really 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:14.160 live how you want to live. And for what we 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:17.680 do at Wealth Planned, it's kind of twofold one is 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.720 just how to teach people how to invest. But number two, 1:42:21.479 --> 1:42:24.479 what is money unless you can enjoy it with the 1:42:24.560 --> 1:42:28.439 people you love when you're in the best years of 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:31.040 your life. Because a lot of folks put a huge 1:42:31.760 --> 1:42:36.200 they put a huge emphasis of retirement, etc. And yes, 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:39.200 you should have a great life in your golden years, 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:41.599 but you should you should have a great life now 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:43.720 with the people you love, you know what I'm saying. 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:46.559 And so if you know how to take a small 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.320 amount of money and make it work for you so 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.920 that you don't feel like I said, and we gave 1:42:53.000 --> 1:42:56.600 that example, if you want to hire your mom that 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:59.840 in many cases it seems like it would seem like 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:03.880 a massive financial commitment. But if the money is doing 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:06.679 it for you, then you can do it and actually 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.200 feel great about it, you know what I'm saying. And 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:10.880 that's really that's that's really what the wealth plan actually 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:11.479 is all about. 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:15.680 That's something I mind about you throughout all this thing 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:19.519 that everything's going on. It's like, you stay positive, gotta 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:23.559 be It's not it's not easy. That's not easy, not always. 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:25.800 I mean, even though you're making it seem like it's easy, 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:28.040 like and you like I said, do you have music? 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:30.720 Like like, God bless me for using this term, but 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:33.240 you you remind me like a male shot day, Like 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:35.400 you know what I'm saying, Like I can't get a massage, 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:36.280 listen to your ship? 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:36.880 Be cool? 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:42.120 Still be cool? Crazy right now saying like it's music 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:44.880 that made me feel good, Like I'm not gonna listen 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:49.960 to I'm listening to some smooth ships. But how do 1:43:50.040 --> 1:43:53.479 you maintain that positivity? Like this ship is? It's crazy 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:55.200 right now? You can say crazy things. 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:57.519 About whatever you want to say online and yeah, and 1:43:57.640 --> 1:44:01.400 you're maintaining you're not jumping out there, not commentated. 1:44:00.960 --> 1:44:05.439 On, you know, whatever's happening. And the reason for it 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:13.720 is because there actually is no better feeling than being 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:18.760 helpful to someone. And I'm telling you just something as 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:22.679 simple as you know, if just imagine how you would 1:44:22.720 --> 1:44:25.640 feel if you know, you in line in a Starbucks 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:27.679 or somebody and somebody says, you know what, I actually 1:44:28.640 --> 1:44:29.240 what do you order? 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:29.760 And I got you. 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:32.920 It's something as simple as that. But on the flip side, 1:44:33.720 --> 1:44:36.439 if you're the person who's able to do that, that 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:41.040 gives you that kind of that kind of positivity that 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:43.720 you're able to do something for someone. And so I 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:47.720 think really there's two parts of it. Number one, take 1:44:47.760 --> 1:44:50.240 care of yourself so that you're in a position to 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:54.960 be helpful enough service to folks. So obviously, if you're 1:44:55.000 --> 1:44:56.479 taking care of yourself, you're gonna feel great. 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:58.519 Right, It's like the plane mask, right, put on yourself 1:44:58.560 --> 1:44:59.840 first you can help kids. 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:04.160 And then number two, actually be in that spirit of service, 1:45:04.320 --> 1:45:09.040 because there is no greater reward than knowing that something 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:13.240 that you've done is actually helpful to someone else. And 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:15.880 that's that that and and so that's why that's why 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:19.280 I have the optimism about music and technology. That's why 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:21.840 I have the optimism with you know, if people are 1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:24.400 not making that much money in music or that much 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:29.400 money period. I have seen literally, I have seen folks 1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:34.840 who have taken you know, mail carrier, commercial truck driver 1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:39.920 salaries and turned it to millions of dollars. And it's 1:45:40.000 --> 1:45:42.519 because they just need to know. It's middle school math. 1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:45.960 But somebody just got to show thee. Yeah, and they 1:45:46.120 --> 1:45:48.360 have somebody, They got somebody that's going to show them, 1:45:48.520 --> 1:45:50.400 you know. And for me, I had someone to show me. 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.800 So that's really what it's about for me. Now, It's 1:45:52.840 --> 1:45:55.559 that legacy of actually saying and whoever wants to talk 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:59.240 to me about it text Ryan dot com. Still to 1:45:59.320 --> 1:46:02.600 this day, you leave your number there and it's my 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:07.280 direct number. And obviously I've got technology to you know, 1:46:07.640 --> 1:46:09.840 make sure that we weed out the bad actors and 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:12.600 we have you know, safeguards in there. You know what 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:15.479 I'm saying. But the bottom line is that there is 1:46:15.640 --> 1:46:19.360 no I couldn't be at a better place because I 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:22.560 see every single day the impact that I'm having, and 1:46:23.160 --> 1:46:27.880 it's it's it's a real commitment to the furtherance of community, 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:33.320 the furtherance of our culture, the furtherance of just humanity 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:36.080 in general. I know it sounds either lofty, but that's. 1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:38.720 In the Golden rule, like do want to others that 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:42.800 you would like to be Yes, exactly, that's a basic thing. 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:46.400 Yes, everybody should implement. Yes, you know for sure, we 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:47.320 know you got to go. 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:52.920 But on this day, Monday, September twenty third, at six 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:56.120 twenty three, Yeah, do you think that we would be. 1:46:56.160 --> 1:47:02.320 Talking here and Didy being And yeah, no, I did. 1:47:03.040 --> 1:47:07.720 No, absolutely not, absolutely not. And I think really for 1:47:07.840 --> 1:47:12.240 me is because when I first got into the music game, 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:16.000 we talked about Tommy Montola. It was Tommy and Puff, 1:47:16.120 --> 1:47:20.439 those were my mentors. Puff was on the management side. 1:47:20.560 --> 1:47:23.080 Tommy saw me as an artist. On the publishing side, 1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:26.439 Puff and Gwen Niles they managed me. But I've always 1:47:26.560 --> 1:47:30.720 been in my own insulated. I didn't see any of 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:33.880 this going on. I literally did not see any of it. 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:36.720 So all I saw was someone who gave me an opportunity, 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:39.519 somebody who put me in the room with all the 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:44.000 biggest artists. My first placement ever was on Beyonce because 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:49.719 of this connection Britney Spears, you know, doing Danny Kane 1:47:50.240 --> 1:47:53.400 singles for Loon, singles for New Edition. But that's because 1:47:53.920 --> 1:47:57.599 I basically was in my little Ivory tower making stuff, 1:47:58.200 --> 1:48:06.600 sending it and literally, you know, incredible connections and and 1:48:07.120 --> 1:48:11.920 uh and and opportunities were being created from the music. 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:14.200 So all I needed to do was be in the music. 1:48:14.240 --> 1:48:17.439 But even today, I mean y'all can see, like from 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:22.320 from even me being in Harvard that young I just 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:27.120 I never acquired a taste for alcohol, for drugs, for partying, 1:48:27.560 --> 1:48:29.519 and not to say when I got to New York, 1:48:29.560 --> 1:48:31.599 I was And that's actually how I met Cassie, because 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:33.679 I was like, yo, I'm I'm I'm a big producer. 1:48:33.760 --> 1:48:35.680 Now I'm going to the club whatever, you know what 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:39.120 I'm saying. But like I just I have never really 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:42.600 had that as advice. I think I have obsessiveness in 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:48.360 other pursuits, so I would have never literally never. And also, 1:48:48.439 --> 1:48:50.280 you know, folks have always talked to me and say, hey, 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:54.640 you know, they've asked me, you know, hey, how do 1:48:54.720 --> 1:48:57.720 you feel you were you heartbroken? You know, puff took 1:48:57.760 --> 1:49:02.280 your girl whatever it was. And like I understand when 1:49:03.080 --> 1:49:06.960 a story or a narrative is not for me, and 1:49:07.400 --> 1:49:10.439 once it was no longer for me, then there were 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:13.960 other narratives and stories for me to invest my time, 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:17.920 energy and resources into. So even for all of this 1:49:18.160 --> 1:49:21.920 to yeah, of course you heard, but I never. I 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:23.880 was just in in my ivory tower the whole time, 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:25.000 so I would have never. 1:49:25.320 --> 1:49:30.360 I admire your attitude, for sure. I admire your maturity. 1:49:31.479 --> 1:49:35.880 I admire you're holding it down for sure, because you know, 1:49:36.320 --> 1:49:37.679 there could have been a lot of things you could 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:40.599 have answered that, and you answered that like a grown man. 1:49:40.760 --> 1:49:43.040 You answered like a person that is not petty. And 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:46.719 I'm very petty, so I could recognize when a person 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:48.760 is not to take going down that same block that 1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:49.400 I stay on. 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:53.200 But I respect that, man, I respect that. 1:49:53.320 --> 1:49:53.439 Man. 1:49:53.520 --> 1:49:54.800 Thank you for being here. I know you got to 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:56.760 catch a flight, take a couple of pictures. 1:49:56.479 --> 1:49:59.599 To get a drop and yeah, yo, man, we really 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:02.200 wanted to get your flowers. May deserve it, man, you 1:50:02.360 --> 1:50:05.200 deserve it because you leading the way for every artist, 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:09.680 not just independent artists, major artists. Is who find out 1:50:10.320 --> 1:50:15.320 you know, how much that, how much have they given 1:50:15.400 --> 1:50:20.080 one hundred percent fit for and receiving so little and 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:22.519 when you know, I had to take me years to 1:50:22.600 --> 1:50:24.920 find out, but you leading the way and me seeing 1:50:25.000 --> 1:50:27.760 you do it in in real time. Yeah, you know, 1:50:27.840 --> 1:50:29.560 I'm seeing I get to witness you do this in 1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:32.080 real time. I get to witness you, you know, your 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:34.479 shows in real time, say your merch in real time 1:50:34.760 --> 1:50:37.040 and sit back and say, damn man, that's something that 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:39.120 eventually want to do with Drink Champs. You know, we 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:43.400 want to drop a compilation album and I just feel 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:45.519 like everyone should should pay attention to your story. 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:47.040 Let's go and we got your back. 1:50:52.520 --> 1:50:55.920 Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production hosts and 1:50:56.040 --> 1:50:59.240 executive producers n O r E and DJ E f 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:04.760 N listen to drink Champs on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.680 or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us 1:51:08.720 --> 1:51:11.320 for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours truly, 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:14.200 dj e FN and n O r E. 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