Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this this therapy Thursday is looking a little different.
Speaker 2: We're going to do things a little different today because
Speaker 2: we have I GE's so like, you know, how like
Speaker 2: you have a secret.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't taybe earlier.
Speaker 2: I can keep a secret if it's a pinky swear,
Speaker 2: But if you don't pinky swear me, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to probably tell it's contractually binding with her, and
Speaker 2: if you don't, then all it's all bets off.
Speaker 3: It also took me eleven years to figure that out.
Speaker 4: Well, I grew up in Michigan, so I just knew
Speaker 4: it would work just what we do.
Speaker 3: I'll just figure that out today.
Speaker 1: So I've had, you know, a few things that I
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 2: Not talking about because you know, I just want to
Speaker 2: do it when I'm ready. And so I've got an
Speaker 2: announcement today, an announcement next week, and who knows from
Speaker 2: there what's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm here as well, by the way,
Speaker 5: speculating as to what this would be, would you say,
Speaker 5: East and I have been speculating as to what this
Speaker 5: might be because we're completely we've been told only that
Speaker 5: there's an announcement happening. You got to be there. It's going
Speaker 5: to rock the podcast.
Speaker 1: Mark, we miss you.
Speaker 2: It's always I love that there is something juicy.
Speaker 5: Well that's what I was told. So here I am,
Speaker 5: and I'm I'm I'm very excited to hear this.
Speaker 4: We are your funky bunch. I hope you're ready, buckle up.
Speaker 5: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: So well, I guess before, I mean, Mark, how are
Speaker 2: you catch us up on your life?
Speaker 5: Oh? I'm fine, Thank you. Nothing exciting happening with me.
Speaker 5: Thing's fine, kids are good, wife's good, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: He's like, and back to you, Jana.
Speaker 5: Yes, back to you. Nobody's nobody's tuning in for me.
Speaker 1: When's the last time we talked?
Speaker 5: Mark?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Boy, I don't. I don't know. It's been many months.
Speaker 6: I mean, wasn't he speculating about your boyfriend at the time?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Even think because that was in November. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: because you had once said there was a little nugget
Speaker 2: that you had said that I made people. And I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, Mark said this a long time ago,
Speaker 2: that this is the person that he thinks I should date,
Speaker 2: and I said no, never, And so when people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: do you have a boyfriend, and I like, you know,
Speaker 2: what does he do? And I said it's interesting. Mark
Speaker 2: was right, And so then people went back to listen
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, he must be in soccer.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So we haven't even spoken since then.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I mean, I told Mark when he tuned in, I
Speaker 4: was like, I've grown an entire human since the last
Speaker 4: time I saw it.
Speaker 1: I've multiplied.
Speaker 4: Sure, have we've missed you? You missed the baby shower.
Speaker 5: It's great to be back. Yeah, I'm sorry, It's okay,
Speaker 5: it's condolence. So yeah, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: You should, so am I And I don't know why
Speaker 1: you knew.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm so nervous.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I did you did?
Speaker 4: I did what you did?
Speaker 5: I go?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 4: I bet?
Speaker 1: I bet everybody listening would like to know what we're
Speaker 1: in on?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 1: What do you think Mark and Easton?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, nothing, we thought about Easton and I speculated
Speaker 5: on that you're ending the podcast. We speculated on the podcast. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that would certainly rocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would just roll it out.
Speaker 5: No, we were concerned that there's something involving your ex husband,
Speaker 5: but that doesn't seem to be the case, just judging
Speaker 5: by the basic demeanor of the room. So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm lost.
Speaker 4: For once it doesn't revolve around the ex husband. That
Speaker 4: feels good. Doesn't it all feel good to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it does.
Speaker 4: I would say we're into a new chapter. Go ahead, Creamer.
Speaker 2: So Alan and I have been dating for November December
Speaker 2: januor very March April May, six and a half months.
Speaker 1: When you point five it.
Speaker 4: You know you're going for cholf life. When you point
Speaker 4: five it okay?
Speaker 2: And he uh, he asked me to marry him.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you need.
Speaker 1: Wow. Look at Easton's face.
Speaker 3: Mark, Oh my god, Mark, Dad's here.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh I just can't.
Speaker 4: I've froze that in my memory forever, the looks on
Speaker 4: your faces.
Speaker 5: Mark, Mark. Some said he didn't ask for permission first
Speaker 5: from him? Where was that called?
Speaker 2: Oh he did, he did ask for permission, but yeah,
Speaker 2: not to you.
Speaker 5: No, it's a podcast, daddy podcast.
Speaker 1: Daddy abandoned me and I have issues about.
Speaker 5: So. I mean, wow, six and a half months in a.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think if the average listener right now
Speaker 5: is thinking to themselves, this seems a little fast considering
Speaker 5: what we've been through previously. Very it seems like she
Speaker 5: might be in a place where she would want to
Speaker 5: take some time I am on something like this and
Speaker 5: not rush into anything right for fear of it, for
Speaker 5: fear of it ending painfully.
Speaker 4: Would we also agree, though, that in our growth, I
Speaker 4: like that we are all marry Allen at this point?
Speaker 4: Would we also agree that Janna's discernment is a little
Speaker 4: tighter now because we know what we like and what
Speaker 4: we don't like, and we know what we will settle
Speaker 4: for and what we won't settle for. So perhaps we
Speaker 4: don't need to wait ten years because we're pushing forty,
Speaker 4: and we can just marry who we love when we're
Speaker 4: ready to marry them.
Speaker 5: I think there's a happy medium between six months and
Speaker 5: ten years. Have you hit six months with anybody since
Speaker 5: you're divorce?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And certainly not six point five, not even three?
Speaker 5: Okay, And so no qualms whatsoever? So I guess, Okay,
Speaker 5: let let's let's let's focus on the positive. Let's focus
Speaker 5: on the event at self. Where was it, how did
Speaker 5: it go down? And did you see it?
Speaker 1: Coming me or Jan.
Speaker 5: I was shocked.
Speaker 1: Okay, continue, where are you though? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really, yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I really was truly, I feel like you guys were
Speaker 2: expecting it, like back in December, like a month and no.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a good liar. I really didn't know.
Speaker 3: I definitely was expecting it in December. It without a doubt.
Speaker 1: Am I the only one? You're a changed woman? I
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. I know that I
Speaker 1: didn't expect it in December.
Speaker 6: I didn't mean it in that way yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: and like that, I feel like y'all are perfect for
Speaker 6: each other way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, let's get to my favorite part the romance.
Speaker 7: Hold on.
Speaker 3: He hasked some questions and Jane has answer them.
Speaker 2: Sorry. He took me and a romance the kids. So
Speaker 2: we had some people over during the day, like a
Speaker 2: little pool party thing, summer hang, summer hang, and he
Speaker 2: took me and the kids. He's like, hey, let's it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful night. Let's go for a walk and let's
Speaker 2: go walk up to the new house. So I was
Speaker 2: just like okay, And so we walked up and the
Speaker 2: kids are, you know, running around the house and looking
Speaker 2: at the rooms. And because I don't know if I
Speaker 2: but like my house is going to be done in August,
Speaker 2: so you know, the house is really coming along, and
Speaker 2: so like to go there to check up things or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it was a really beautiful night, and me and
Speaker 2: the kids were all sitting like after they ran around,
Speaker 2: we were all sitting on the front porch of the
Speaker 2: steps from porch steps, yeah, and just looking out at
Speaker 2: the view because the view was just, I mean stunning.
Speaker 2: And he he was like.
Speaker 1: He said my name, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I got up or whatever, and then he
Speaker 2: got down on one knee and then Julie just started
Speaker 2: jumping up and down. It was the cutest thing ever.
Speaker 1: It's like she knew what was happening.
Speaker 3: Oh before he even really said anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like I think, like maybe she's seen
Speaker 2: getting down on knees or yeah that's sweet. So yeah,
Speaker 2: she started jumping up and down and then she's like,
Speaker 2: you're getting married. And then he said, you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of left out at that point. He said some
Speaker 2: things and like a good paragraph. I love a paragraph.
Speaker 2: It was like a few sentences. Yeah that feels said,
Speaker 2: you know, you're the love of my life, and I
Speaker 2: just I you know, will you marry me something? Something something, yeah,
Speaker 2: things address, yes, a dress, and then I and we
Speaker 2: just both started crying.
Speaker 1: And it was yeah.
Speaker 2: And it felt very sentimental given the front porch of
Speaker 2: like the new house and new beginnings, and it just
Speaker 2: felt right, and so yeah, I said yes. Kids were
Speaker 2: all super excited, and then we walked back down the
Speaker 2: hill and sat outside on the porch and the back porch,
Speaker 2: watched the sunset and just it was It was perfect.
Speaker 2: I could not have We were actually supposed to be
Speaker 2: in Jamaica, but the something happened with the resort or whatever,
Speaker 2: and so we ended up staying here. But I honestly
Speaker 2: like that is exactly what I would have wanted, was
Speaker 2: that the house. And didn't he ask you, like what
Speaker 2: he should do or not what he should do kind
Speaker 2: of conversation. All of a sudden, Alan's like, hey, Catherine,
Speaker 2: come here. I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a couple of couple conversations.
Speaker 4: I am just still a little in awe that you knew.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that day, So he didn't even know
Speaker 1: he was doing it that.
Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, which could not have been more perfect.
Speaker 1: But yeah, otherwise I knew well, Alan doesn't trust me,
Speaker 1: so I talk to him about that. He gets you know,
Speaker 1: so what did what did he say to you? Well,
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 6: Conversation, y'all were going to Jamaica, so we were kind
Speaker 6: of talking about around that, like, you know, he's like, well,
Speaker 6: you know, did do I get to do I tell
Speaker 6: all of our conversation?
Speaker 1: We hold nothing back here?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, I mean it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 6: But like he was like, you know, so I was
Speaker 6: thinking in Jamaica, but like I feel like that's kind
Speaker 6: of expected and not that you know whatever.
Speaker 3: So maybe I did before we go and blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a good question. We didn't, you know.
Speaker 6: And then I knew he had the ring at that point.
Speaker 6: And then when he called me into the room the
Speaker 6: other day, he was asking me my opinion on the boxes.
Speaker 4: And he didn't even ask me.
Speaker 3: So I helped him with that, which he knew.
Speaker 6: I mean, he was like, I feel like this one's cheesy,
Speaker 6: this one's perfect, you know whatever. And then I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: so when and where and he's like, well, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to figure that out. Already talked to her
Speaker 6: mom and blah blah blah, and but I was thinking
Speaker 6: like the new house would be and I was like, yes,
Speaker 6: He's like is that romantic enough? I'm like that is
Speaker 6: like perfect, Jana, Like it's sentimental.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it means thing like real life.
Speaker 3: Screw the other like big whatever, like.
Speaker 2: The roses and this, Like I mean the whole lamb
Speaker 2: set up, like the sentimental little things is like, I mean,
Speaker 2: it could not have been more perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean that was basically.
Speaker 1: Thank god he had a freshman here, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean I broke Well, what's funny about that is
Speaker 2: I broke my nail. I was making Jason's bed because
Speaker 2: you know, we're obviously leaving the house and so I'm
Speaker 2: cleaning up making the bad had inspection guy come in
Speaker 2: that day, and you know, god, it is so bad.
Speaker 2: But I was like tucking the sheet in and then
Speaker 2: my finger got caught to the wall and it completely snapped,
Speaker 2: like you can see the bloodline right there in my Like, so,
Speaker 2: I mean it was hurting so bad. So I went
Speaker 2: that day to so like two days before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, didn't even plant it.
Speaker 6: I actually thought that when you sent us the picture,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, her nails a great well done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't know either. I mean we had
Speaker 2: we had discussed. I know that he is my person
Speaker 2: and to me, like I was even talking to my
Speaker 2: ex about this because he was asking He's like, all right,
Speaker 2: do you think this is And I'm like yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, but I don't even. I was like, I
Speaker 2: think we'll get married one day, but I don't think,
Speaker 2: like I really don't, like I don't need.
Speaker 4: To have That's why I think I'm I was so
Speaker 4: surprised because I felt I feel like that has just
Speaker 4: been the feeling around it, like we know, yeah, that
Speaker 4: he's the guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's an interesting conversation with your ex. Did
Speaker 5: you call him to give him a heads up?
Speaker 1: Uh, well, there's some.
Speaker 5: I mean the kids know, so he was going to
Speaker 5: find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so what did you.
Speaker 5: Want him to hear it from you and not from
Speaker 5: the kids.
Speaker 2: Well, so Jolie had asked him, Well, so, like Mike
Speaker 2: and I have had conversations about like, because he likes Alan,
Speaker 2: they've hung out, you know, they're at games and stuff
Speaker 2: like together, like it's everything's great. And you know he
Speaker 2: had asked me. He's like, so, what do you do
Speaker 2: you see this as you know, do you think you
Speaker 2: and Alan will get married? And I'm like, we've definitely
Speaker 2: talked about it, and I you know, but I'm also
Speaker 2: not like we have to get married at this point
Speaker 2: and we have to be engaged by this point, because
Speaker 2: I true that that piece of like the anxiety of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know he's my person. I trust him,
Speaker 2: like there's no anxiousness attached to that. So he already
Speaker 2: knew that, like he's my partner whether we get married
Speaker 2: or engaged or whatever.
Speaker 1: So uh, it's nice.
Speaker 5: So not that it matters, but he was happy for
Speaker 5: you and supportive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was. We had a little.
Speaker 2: Thing and so Jolie was facetiming them and she's like,
Speaker 2: guess what, daddy, Mommy's engaged and he's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: nice and and so you know, I would have liked
Speaker 2: to have told him, but I also like, I don't
Speaker 2: want Jolie to have to keep secrets from her dad.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so then he was like, hey, can I
Speaker 2: talk to mommy? And so I got the phone and
Speaker 2: I was like, hello, good day, and he was like
Speaker 2: congratulations and then he's like, you know, can we can
Speaker 2: we talk for a minute. I'm like of course, And
Speaker 2: so went in the room and you know, we we
Speaker 2: had to. We were just dealing with, you know, a
Speaker 2: clod parenting situation we had to kind of figure out.
Speaker 2: And and then once we resolved that conversation, then he
Speaker 2: was like, hey, I'm really happy for you. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, Alan's a great guy. And I'm just like,
Speaker 2: thank you, and he's just like and actually it really
Speaker 2: I started to cry and he goes because he goes,
Speaker 2: of all people, you deserve to have someone that loves
Speaker 2: you and respects you and like, you deserve this. So
Speaker 2: I was just like, he's like, after everything I put
Speaker 2: you through, and he's like, you deserve this more than anyone.
Speaker 1: And it meant so much to me that he said that.
Speaker 5: That is fantastic. It seems it seems very self aware
Speaker 5: on his part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm just like, thank you so much, because
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not he didn't want it to end
Speaker 2: up looking at this either, you know. So but you know,
Speaker 2: we're both so happy, and I think like I'm I
Speaker 2: root for his happiness and the fact that like he
Speaker 2: also is like rooting as well, Like it's genuinely, genuinely yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean in his part too, he's probably happy.
Speaker 2: The narratives changing a little bit, sure, you know so,
Speaker 2: But I think he's genuinely really, I do do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he always wanted you to be happy. And I know
Speaker 2: that that's hard to probably see, but I truly do
Speaker 2: think that he always wanted.
Speaker 3: You to be happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that, Yeah, because I don't think he
Speaker 2: was of Like, I don't think his intentions were ever malicious.
Speaker 2: It was his own stuff, you know, Like I can
Speaker 2: look at it now and go okay, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: think he meant to hurt me. I just don't think
Speaker 2: he knew what you know at the time, you know,
Speaker 2: we just yeah, So, I mean.
Speaker 5: It seems great, seems very healthy, seems very happy. Have
Speaker 5: you discussed the actual plans for the actual wedding?
Speaker 1: Not in a rush?
Speaker 2: So maybe next year or the next year after that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no rush.
Speaker 5: Really it could be twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 1: It could be twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well then I and then that's great. And you're
Speaker 5: not really rushing into much at all.
Speaker 1: Are you.
Speaker 2: No, that's the thing, like we're just like I think too.
Speaker 2: You know, people are like, oh, we probably need you know,
Speaker 2: like a visa or something, and I'm like, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: This isn't like that. I could just see, like, like,
Speaker 2: what are people going to say? I already know people
Speaker 2: are going to come after me because of my past.
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, and it's like I've made
Speaker 2: dumb decisions when I was nineteen whatever again continue on.
Speaker 2: But like you know, at the same time, I was
Speaker 2: also in situation where like, yeah, I didn't want my
Speaker 2: last marriage to go the way that it did. Like
Speaker 2: that wasn't like, you know, I would have stayed in
Speaker 2: that forever. So I know the people will come after
Speaker 2: and say comments and will be like, oh I give
Speaker 2: this however many months and it's like cool, like you
Speaker 2: can say whatever you want. Like at this point, it's
Speaker 2: like I just am at a place where like I
Speaker 2: now know and I now feel and I now know
Speaker 2: that like I am allowed to be happy and like
Speaker 2: I deserve the happiness. So I'm not gonna let those
Speaker 2: comments affect me or discourage me. And also yeah, like
Speaker 2: we're not rushing into things. We're not going we're not
Speaker 2: getting married next month, like it'll be sometime next year
Speaker 2: or the next year after that.
Speaker 5: And are are you done having children or are more possibility?
Speaker 4: Well, we've always kept it tied, so I personally think
Speaker 4: she should have another.
Speaker 1: But that's just me.
Speaker 4: This just feels like I've been on a big fat.
Speaker 1: Island for the last three trimesters. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Stay tuned. Should we get Alan on, Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll he come on? I think so.
Speaker 4: Close captioning brought to you by I know this is
Speaker 4: going to get tricky at that Scottish act.
Speaker 1: Let me text them right now, call them. Is he
Speaker 1: saved under Alan?
Speaker 7: Or?
Speaker 4: And that feels very unbranded? I kind of knew.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 7: I hope he answers and says something nice. Hey baby,
Speaker 7: you want to come on the podcast?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, alright, bye, I gotta plug in the another mic.
Speaker 1: I just plug it in. Yeah, okay, welcome to wind down, Allan.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Is this Alan's first time?
Speaker 1: This is Alan's first time.
Speaker 3: I'm actually shocked you're here.
Speaker 1: I am too good of I am to That's great though.
Speaker 1: Should we get started, Yeah,